Terry Crews: A King in His Kingdom

24:06Rob Lowe:Remember? It was like, no one ever ran that second Rambo. You didn't know what was possible. No, no. People lost their shit. Now everybody does it. But then, and people were hanging out of the building going, kill Russia, Rambo. And it's like, well, maybe Russia does want to kill him. It was, it was bananas. But how sick was it when he showed up as Rambo in that movie? And no one had ever looked like that on screen ever in the history of the movies. first of all I mean you didn't know you could be that cut no you didn't know you could get that ripped it was you know that now they they call looks maxing and all that stuff they called it he he was max max max max he was mogging he was it was all it was unreal and you know it's funny you mentioned that stuff about the food you know we used to eat all the time he would take We were downstairs in the hotel where we were eating, and he brought his own truffles.

25:05Amazing. He would pull his own truffles out and a shaver. He said, this is the good stuff right here, right there. And he's putting it over his pasta. You're like, oh, the man brings his own truffles. He knows how to live.

25:20Rob Lowe:He does that. He knows. Well, listen, here's the other thing. You know, Bruce, in his height, knew how to live. Sly knows how to live Arnold knows how to live These are guys who aren't like Oh gee shucks I'm in Brooklyn on my futon With my Oscar on the mid Like fuck that They're like They are Do you know what I'm saying? They're living large And they are unapologetic You know who else is like that? It's Travolta Travolta's like that Yes Absolutely I've never met him but I love you know what no apologies no excuses no excuses it was me but no apologies for when it succeeds because that was me too nobody handed any of those guys anything not one of them I remember when Bruce was called Bruno and he was the bartender at Cafe Central when we would go in there he was this charming bartender he was a nobody and people always thought he was charming.

26:28Rob Lowe:And the next thing you know, he's, you know, Bruce Willis. Oh my God. Yeah. I mean, this only in America, like America, you know, we don't go by the divine right of Kings. That's right. You know what I mean? You can earn this shit in America. You know what I'm saying? Like you just got to work and you got to be unstoppable. You got to be a force of nature. And what do you tell your kid? How many kids do you have? Five. Oh my God. I've got four daughters, one son, a 16-year-old granddaughter. I'll be 58 this year. I'm very, very honored. That's amazing. So what, I mean, I know you've written a lot of books about how to live life and your strength and your experiences.

27:12Rob Lowe:And I love that about you. I love anybody that takes the time and has the discipline to sit down and face a blank page until you've done it. You do not know what that's like. And it is the most authentic view you can have into somebody is what they've written. And what are your favorite, what are your themes that you keep returning to, particularly when it comes to your kids? You know, what's wrong to me, especially when it comes to them, And it's just, I always, I want to lead by example for one, but what's wild to me is I don't ever want them to victimize themselves, which is something that I used to do.

28:04I was a professional victim for a long time. Like, there was always a reason why I didn't get this. I could blame so many things. things. I want to say this, and this is something I've told my kids. I've told this story a lot. Every man in his life is either a fool, a victim, or a king. So what happens is you're young and you're a fool. You've done stupid stuff. Unexplainable stuff. Why did I do that? That was just the dumbest thing I could... And you can't even talk your way out of it. You just say, that's a fool. Like, man, anybody looking would marvel at how foolish those decisions were. You know what I mean?

28:52Rob Lowe:Part of being a young man. Part of being a young man, right? Natural. So then what happens is, if you're not careful, what happens is you switch into victim mode because you've been a fool. So you messed up stuff. You, you did that, right? Like, so you mess some things up, but you have all these reasons why you made that decision. Because you have to, you know, you have to justify this, you know what I mean? So you come up with all these excuses. And I came up with tons. I was like, hey, man, I was from Flint, Michigan, and I was broke. I didn't have no money. Hey, I'm black, man. You know, what do you expect?

29:34And it's racism, racism, industrial complex. and it's the this and this, you know, you could blame, man, it's the political situation in Africa that changed the situation here. I mean, wait, and this is another thing. The table is always, always full of valid excuses. Mind you, the excuses are real. The excuses are valid. Like, you're right. Statistically, you are, you know, you should be down or you should be dumb. You should be a fool. However, however, you know, with all those valid excuses, the table's always packed full and you can pick from them all day. And then there's the king stage. The king stage is like, wait a minute, wait a minute.

30:28I brought all this shit in here. I can get rid of it too. You see what I mean? Like you're the king. It's your place. It's your thing. All that silliness and goofiness and excuses and other, it's there because you let it in. All you have to do is banish it. Like, get out. Wait, this is my core. You, you, you, you, that, that. Take that with you. And everybody out. Whoa. Let me tell you, man. The king says, no, now I want, I am no longer. I did that. I messed that up. But I'm also responsible to get rid of it, to kick it out, to change it. I can change this. You know what I mean? Because we feel like, and this is why I want my kids to understand, that anything you do, you can change.

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33:52Rob Lowe:When did the light bulb go off for you? Oh, my God. Now, the light bulb went off for me when my wife left. Rob, I was 20 years in. 20 years in? 20 years, okay? 2010, February 10th, 2010, we called D-Day at our house. My wife was like, I'm done. Goodbye. It's a wrap. And we've been married 20 years and I'm like, what the hell just happened? Like, I'm doing, I thought I was doing everything right. You know what I mean? I had, dude, I had all the stuff. I mean, the money, I had the career and stuff was booming. And, you know, I was doing stuff, but dude, I was, first of all, I was still a fool and a victim.

34:49Okay. I was in it. And this is the thing, man. And when I say fool and victim, I used to say stuff like, man, why doesn't she believe me? You know, I'm telling her all this stuff. Why doesn't she believe me? Rob, the question I should have been asking is, why am I lying? Hmm. See what I mean? Same perspective. But all of a sudden, the onus is on me. I'm lying. I'm not telling her the truth. I got a whole nother thing that I'm working out on the side. But I'm like, why don't you believe that I'm being honest here? But the thing is, why am I lying? Why am I not being honest with her? Why am I afraid to show her who I really am?

35:34And she's in love with this image that she doesn't know anything about. You know, she doesn't know the real me. Because if I showed her the real me, I don't think she'd be around. And what happened is she discovered it. And all of a sudden, she was done. and that is when I was like, oh, wow.

35:54Rob Lowe:That's 20 years in to have that. I mean, that's an amazing story. No matter how much time, but 20 years in, that's, that's. Yes. And wait, and this is one thing, I thought it was over. Like I said, oh man, what, and this was the Hollywood way. I was going, well, that's how that, I guess no marriage can stay in Hollywood because it's just one of those things. And I had yet another excuse, by the way, yet another one. You could just put them in there. Yet throw another excuse inside. Yeah. I mean, you know, she couldn't take the fact that I was popular and this and that. And I made some mistakes.

36:34But, you know, and I was like, and there was a little voice that said, maybe it's me. No, it couldn't be me. Couldn't be me. It's all these other things. Like, come on, man. No, because everybody's telling me I'm great. Everybody says I'm fine. I make money. I got jobs. I'm doing stuff. I'm working good. I mean, hey, look, I came up all the way from Flint, Michigan. I kicked and scratched and scratched my way up here. Maybe it is me. Maybe it's me. And when that hit me, it was like an egg that cracked that I couldn't. I was trying to put it back together, but I couldn't seal it. You know what I mean?

37:17it was just tripping. And then I said, oh shit, this is me. This is me. Like, I'm not truthful. I'm not honest. I say I want, it's cognitive dissonance. It was like me saying, yeah, I love my wife, but then I'm doing stuff that actually breaks us apart. You know what I'm saying? And I was like, yo, dude, I need help. And I started to realize I'm not together. All of a sudden, the shade kind of came down, and the whole image that I had built up with all these sticks and scaffolding just started to crumble. It just couldn't handle the weight. And it just fell. And there I was kind of exposed like, oh, man.

38:09And then I had a decision. It was like, well, at first I was even like, man, you know, okay well this is the Hollywood way so I'll just find another woman and I'll just keep moving and maybe I should just keep blanking and going through it and then I was like but that's the opposite of everything you said you are you know and I would have been living a whole lie after that like because everything you say you want to be integrity you want to have that integrity you want to be this person But so I guess I didn't. So now I just fumbled through the rest of my life. I said, hell no. And then it was like, but Hollywood didn't care.

38:53Hollywood was like, hey, man, look, you don't have to go home anymore. Now you got, you can do three movies. You know what I mean? It was like, we could put you to work all day long. And, you know, while your family's broke up and everything, and you just find another picture that you want to present, and we'll help you present it. and I was like bump that no way and I went into what you would call rehab and my problem was an addiction to pornography

39:22Rob Lowe:interesting that was one of the things and I couldn't stop like you know listen people's always I've argued and it's funny they say less than possible like you know you're just natural it's like you how can you be addicted to pornography first of all all I knew is that I couldn't stop couldn't stop wanted to stop, said I was going to stop. Never stopped. Yeah, dude, listen, I've been in recovery 36 years for alcoholism, and I've seen and heard it all, and that's exactly right. It's a real thing. It's a real thing. It's real. It's a real thing, and the porn stuff today with the accessibility of it all is a real thing.

40:05Rob Lowe:A real, real thing. and young women everywhere are like why go to a real relationship why go through the trouble like the way get rejected nah I'll just sit here and fantasize and none of that shit is real none of it's real and what's the problem is I had a real woman and you start to you just fell in love with the the picture the intrigue you see what I mean? And then you get addicted to what's forbidden, you know what I mean? You're just like, well, oh man, that's not my wife, and all of a sudden you're like, and then you find yourself thinking about people like objects. They lost all humanity to me.

41:02You know what I mean? You could slowly but surely just, people just became things. And I didn't like, I was like, oh my God, this is what happened to me. And my wife confronted me about this stuff. And I have hid it for years. Just, you know, I was like, well, you know, it's better off she doesn't know. Of course. She was like, she knew something was between us. She knew something wasn't right. You know what I mean? And she finally confronted me about it. And I just got tired. I got tired of lying. And I told her, And I had been unfaithful to her at a massage bar like 10 years earlier. And I told her about it.

41:45And here I am. I'm thinking, okay, that's off my chest. She's like, what the hell? I'm out of here. I don't even know who you are. Rob, you got to understand, man. I built a reputation as a nice guy. But I knew I wasn't nice. I knew I wasn't being honest. I knew I wasn't being real. And to me, it was like, keep up that Hollywood picture. Keep up the image. Keep it up. But it's unsustainable, man. Like, you know, I couldn't be real with anybody. It just became like, what is, like you said, how the appearances are. You know, let me go to, so it looks like when the movie opens, I'm inaccessible. It was me playing those games.

42:36You know what I mean? when you really care. You know what I'm saying? When you really do care. Act like you don't care. No, but you do. You know what I mean? It's like because you put your heart and soul into it. And I went to rehab. I started talking to people and learning. And the first thing they asked me, they said, hey, man, was your father an alcoholic? I was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. They said, hey, was your mom very religious? I was like, hey, how did you know that? I mean, they were reading my mail. And they found that there were common things that lined up with this kind of addictive behavior, this compulsive behavior.

43:14You know what I'm saying? Because that's what it is. It's a compulsive behavior. And listen, man, I don't know what, I knew people when I grew up, they were kids that were addicted to eating paint chips. That's a fact. You know, these kids be in the hood and growing up in these tenements and they're chewing on the paint. and these are ways that they dealt with all this weird trauma that they were going through maybe domestic violence because that's i came up in a house that was full of it my father was beating the shit out of my mother man like it was i had to go up wake up to you know glass breaking people shouting and let me tell you but in porn it was like everything would disappear all the pain all the everything I could just tune out I could numb out you know what I mean and I would numb out for a long time and then being on sets for a long time and being as an athlete being away for a long time you go to a hotel room and there it is and you're like okay and you tune sooner or later you can't do without it you're just wondering what wait oh man what am I going to do without my fix you know what I mean it's bro it's one of those things that just took over my life and I had to revamp, man.

44:34And I had to revamp. When I say I had to tear my life completely down and rebuild it up from scratch, from the beginning again. Now, again, that's why I remember the day so clearly, February 10th, 2010.

44:48Rob Lowe:And do you do the whole inner circle, middle circle stuff? Like all of them? It's yellow light behaviors, green light behaviors. You know what I mean? Red light. Yeah. These kind of things. But to be honest with you, you know, I've been so far gone from that, that it's like, it's a real cool place to be now where because I went public, it actually helped. You know what I mean? because I went public probably 20, 2015, 20, yeah, about 2016. And literally said, hey, I was addicted to porn. And people were flipping because they were like, what is he talking about? You know what I mean? Today's show and they wanted me on the next day.

45:39Like, who, what, who, what, what did you do? Walk me through it. What was it like?

45:44Rob Lowe:Like, oh, come on, man. Yeah, yeah. Well, that was, guys were like, dude, what the hell? I had pro athletes grab me and like, what the fuck are you talking about? Oh, I bet. Oh, I bet, right? Oh, they were like, man, what are you, dude, what are you punking out for? You know what I mean? I was like, dude. And I was like, hey, man, all I know is I couldn't stop. And I bet there's other people like me, man. It may not be you, but, dude, and damn the thousands of people that came and were like, man, that's me. Dude, dude, oh my God, I've been sneaking around at night and going to x-rated bookstores.

46:25I can't help, I can't stop. People doing it at work and they lose their job. You know what I mean? They can't, they click on the thing at work and all of a sudden they get caught and it's like, boom, they got to tell their families. Yeah, I was watching, going at work. I mean, it's like, it ruins lives because you're just not, you're living a lie, you know what I mean? And I just see what now it is and I'm thinking about, because I got a, like, I ran into it very, very young. I was about nine years old. And see, the poor thing is cool. I find that,

47:04Rob Lowe:I have found that that is another, you talk about similarities that set you up for it. I find that's a big one too, is being exposed at an early age to sexualization in a way that's completely inappropriate, whether it's perpetrated on you or you observe it or whether you did it to somebody, whatever it is, that's a trigger for a lot of people. It changes you. Because I didn't know what to do. I didn't know what I was looking at. You know what I mean? My thing was, I loved girls and I wanted to give them a flower because it was a girl that I liked. You know, she's so pretty and whatever. and then you see that image, you're like, what is that?

47:48Like, whoa, like we do that? You know what I mean? And it was some hardcore stuff I was looking at. Like my uncle in his basement, he had all these mags and I was like, what? What are they doing? And I'm looking at this way and that way, like what is happening? And I was like, and I'll never forget because I had older guys that were like, hey man, this is how you do it, man. Like, you know, if you want a girl, you don't tell her you love her. I was like, but what if you love her? No, you don't tell her you love her, man. Don't ever say that. Don't ever say that. You get the draws and you just scoot on out, man, and move on.

48:27You want two or three girlfriends. You want out like four, five. The more, the better. You're more of a man, the more you have, you get more girls.

48:37Rob Lowe:Is that the Flint? That was the hustler mentality. The hustler Flint. It was the pimp. Everybody had, This is back when teenagers had played the Playboy Bunny on the back of their jackets and stuff, you know, the Playboys. You know, it was like, yeah, we're players. And, you know, this is back in the, it was a very, very pimp-oriented. I mean, you know, it's rap songs about pimps. You know, it's just the way we came up where you are, women were something to be controlled. Not loved, not cared for, but you control. So this is another thing. And I have to say this too. A lot of my culture, you controlled your family as well.

49:18Like, hey, man, they tell you, you better get your wife and them kids in line. You know, other guys will go up to you, man. You better tell your wife something. Very controlling. Everything was like, and if you didn't have control, you were less than a man. Your kids had to do exactly and be exactly what you want them to be. Your wife or your girls or anybody in your life, you have to control it all. And the thing is, when you look at the 12 steps, it's literally figuring out what it is you can control and what you can't. Yep. You know what I mean? And guess what? You can't control other people.

49:55You have no... Isn't that funny?

49:56Rob Lowe:There's no... There's no way you can do that. Isn't that funny? You literally can't do it. You got... You got... That is the literal essence of addiction is trying to control everything. You know what I mean? And you can't do it. And it's impossible. And it's like, man, let me figure out the difference. And I realized the one thing I can't control is me. I can control me. And this is the king. This is the king. I don't want that anymore. I don't want that. And the other great, of course, part of that is that I can only control me, but I need to admit that I can't control this addiction. yes and you know and the thing is whether you have it in your life you're right and you know people get the lucky people who are normies right who don't have an addiction they they it's so outside their experience they can get so hung up in well okay i see an alcoholic i've seen alcoholics staggering around the street i know what that is but how could anybody be addicted to sex or how could anybody be addicted to porn or how could anybody be addicted to eating everybody eats, just stop eating or whatever.

51:12Rob Lowe:It's like, it's the same thing. It just, it's just a different, people have different iterations of it, but at its core, it's the same thing and it's treated and dealt with in exactly the same way. And I always tell people being in recovery is very, very simple but it's not easy it's simple really simple not complicated but not easy but you know what brother and i'd say this too you know when you think about you say stuff like i'm in recovery you know usually that's a very sad term you know people are like oh i'm in recovery i'm so sorry no not not me man i fucking love it dude i loved going to rehab i tell people all the me.

52:04Rob Lowe:But that was sold to me at first. You've got to look at what the definition of recovery is. Recovery means you're getting something back. You're recovering. Imagine if every day you found what was stolen. Is that not a day of joy? If someone stole all your goods and you went and every day you found just a little bit more, you'd be like, oh, I thought that was gone. This is mine. It's back. You see what I mean? And that's what recovery is. Like recovering, bringing it back in, becoming more of the real you. And let me tell you, man, 16 years after that moment, I am the real me. You understand what I mean?

52:49The fact that I can sit here and talk about this like it's nothing.

52:53Rob Lowe:Yeah. Because I'm the real me. Like I'm the real Terry Crews. Artist. Yeah, it's like, I love... I'm never going back. I love recovery. I love recovering more and more of myself. You know what I mean? Like the real Terry. Let me tell you, man. When I quit porn, I got three jobs. I was designing furniture. You had all this time. I had all this energy, man. Let me host AGT while I'm doing Brooklyn Nine-Nine, while I'm doing... jumping off a cliff. You know what I'm saying? I was like, yo. I said, why was I wasting all my... Because, you know, that's another thing. It was a lot of wasted time. Sure.

53:38You know what I mean? Happy hour turns into happy four hours. Sure. You know what I mean? Five hours. And it's like, what you could have done? And I stopped thinking like that. I said, okay, that's over. Just start. Now, take that time and do what makes you happy. Like, do you. and man I got so much people are like man you doing all these things I know I do it it's enough time in the day man once you get those hours back I'm like yo oh yeah great it's listen I I love

54:13Rob Lowe:having people on who are in the the fellowship of figuring out our lives without our ism you know and like me, like you, like me, it's like I'm more joyous and like, it's all good in the hood, man. This is fucking sick being in recovery. It's more fun. It's more everything. Dude, I have a huge wine cellar in my house. I don't, I'm not drinking it. It's like they're for my guests and let's party. If you can do it and be healthy and have a good, good on you. I couldn't, but go for it. It's like, it's... It's not doom and gloom. No, no, no, no. It's great life. And this is one reason why I love comedy.

54:59I love comedy. Because in fact, to me, the darker it is, the funnier it can be. Oh my God, same.

55:06Rob Lowe:Same, same. You know what I'm saying? Like, yo! Same, 100%. You were so funny on Brooklyn. Brooklyn was... Oh. And, you know, because that's... Who's our guy? The creator of Brooklyn from Parks and Rec? Dan Gore. Oh, Dan Gore. Oh, my God, Dan is just... Yes, and you were amazing on Parks and Rec, by the way. Oh, thanks, man. First of all, that's the reason why I did Brooklyn, because I was such a fan of Parks and Rec, man. What you guys did, oh, my God, it was classic. Such a fun show. Isn't Dan the best? Dan Gore, he was one of the top dogs in the writer's room on Parks, and then I remember vividly when that pilot that he wrote got picked up, and I was like, what is it?

55:48Rob Lowe:And it's Brooklyn. I remember seeing Samberg for, he was down there getting his, his, his first wardrobe fitting. I remember. And I was like, this, this is going to be a good, a really good show. And it, and it's, it is, it was, it's one of the great, one of the great shows. I mean, a police comedy is such a specific, great world. It's a great world. Oh, and it, and it hits all worldwide. Let me tell you, it translates. I've been to India, man. I've been in South Korea and they're like, Brooklyn 99, 99. They love because everyone translates with police work and police stories. And most of the world has gotten the CSIs or the law and orders.

56:32To see a funny version of that was so rare. It was just fun. You know, he got a new show too, Sunset PI. Dan just had a new show picked up at NBC. So I'm cheering for him right now, man. It's just so good because I just love him. I love Dan Gore forever. He was so great to work with and that cast.

56:58Rob Lowe:Well, you know who I love on that show is Andre Brower. Dude, I was lucky enough to work with him on a drama. And he's always been one of my favorite actors since the day I laid eyes on him. But the word revelation is overused. him in that show was a revelation. A revelation. He was hilarious. This is Andre Brower, who is... When I mentioned people, I said dramatic actors who can go to comedy, I said, dude, that, he's the best who's ever done it. And I go, and you know what was so cool? That here you had a superstar. I mean, you know, Juilliard trained, absolutely could do everything from Shakespeare to he could act circles around all of us.

57:51And yet he chose to bring us up with him. Like he never talked down to us. He never treated us like he was always so patient. And most of our scenes were together because we were right there in a precinct together. he was always talking to me about how what my motivations were and what should i be looking for and i just like i said man i was taught by the best the best and when he passed it just blew my mind i that was a hole in my heart there's a hole in my heart that will never be filled

58:25Rob Lowe:straight up yeah he is his lovely wife and like i just i i just loved we did a stephen king thing called Salem's Lot. And we were in Australia for like three months together. And he's one of my favorite, just favorite, favorite actors of all time. And he was, what did, he was so genius. If anybody, I'm sure everybody's seen the show because it's a huge hit. But if you haven't, Brooklyn Nine-Nine, my man Terry Crews and Andre Brouwer, murderers in it. They're crushing. It's so fun. So fun. We got to figure out something to do together. I know, I know. You know we have the same makeup artist, Annette.

59:08Yeah, oh, Annette's the best. Annette is amazing, isn't she? She makes me look so good. And I see you and I'm like, oh yeah, Annette is always making Rob. Look, first of all, if I can say I got the same makeup artist as Rob Lowe, that makes me feel handsome. I'm like, yeah, baby. You know what I'm saying? Hey, you are the original heartthrob, man.

59:29Rob Lowe:My wife was like, Rob Lowe? I was like, hey, watch it, watch it. amazing yeah and that and that is uh she she knows where all the bodies are buried she makes she gets me going every morning making me look good for she's amazing and uh just good people man i said you know and she doesn't she does not play and i said you you down with rob oh no you down with me because i couldn't wait to meet you man i couldn't wait to meet you you know so thank you brother and i'm so glad we got this on we we got to work on something and i'm so i'm psyched for the F1. You got 100 Cooks coming out on June 7th. Food Network.

1:00:10Rob Lowe:You got so much stuff going on. I relate. I love guys like you and me who write books, do live television, movies, comedy. You're a dude. You're king. You're king. Thank you, my man. That's right. You're king in your kingdom. Another king. To another king. Wow. Thank you, brother. Thanks, man. Talk to you soon, brother. Thank you. God bless you. Thank you.

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1:00:51Rob Lowe:3-2-3-5-7-0-4-5-5-1. So have at it. Here's the beep. Today's Lowdown Line is brought to you in partnership with Macy's. Hi, Rob. This is Jen calling from Westchester, New York. Big fan of you, big fan of the pod. I'm calling because Father's Day is around the corner, and I need some ideas for my husband, Drew. He actually just got a new job, So I'd love to get him something that can help him kind of, you know, jazz up his wardrobe a little bit, level it up a little bit. And you have great style. So I'd love to see if you have any ideas for Father's Day. Thank you. Well, first of all, congratulations.

1:01:44Rob Lowe:New job, always very, very exciting. I'm going to go with sticking to the basics, which any dude can always use, a sort of revitalization. I think the first thing are shoes. Guys, we just don't replace our shoes enough. So I would say Cole Haan makes a great men's tennis sneaker, sort of dressy. You can wear it dressy if you want. You can wear it cash if you want. there isn't a guy that can't use that for sure. And I'm super into the Casio men's digital watch and vintage gold. It's like super like 80s, 90s vintage. You know, people go, what is that? Oh yeah, I remember I used to have one of those.

1:02:34Rob Lowe:You can't go wrong with either one of those things. Thank you for calling and thank you for listening. And other options, you can check out the Macy's Father's Day gift guide. Hi, Rob. This is Paige calling from New Jersey. I'm pregnant with my first child, and I wanted to get my husband a gift for his first Father's Day, even though our baby hasn't arrived yet. I'd love to get him something thoughtful to celebrate the excitement of our new baby, but I don't want to splurge too much since we're on a budget waiting for them to arrive. He loves travel, golf, and genuinely anything related to sports.

1:03:10Rob Lowe:Do you have any suggestions? Thanks so much, and happy Father's Day. Oh, happy Father's Day to you guys. Well, if he loves golf and there's a baby on the way, I've got both good and bad news. The golf game is going to suffer. I gave up golf for 20 years when I had my kids, had to. So why don't we get him something around golf so he can enjoy it while he can? So I'm going to go with just a linen shirt or golf polo. You can't go wrong. Favorite color. I prefer the kind of like subtler ones. I would suggest that. And you know what else is good is like a, I don't know if he's a scent guy, but I always appreciate getting a good scent.

1:04:05Rob Lowe:Dior Sauvage is great. I know Macy's has that. But you can also check out their Father's Day gift guide to see if there's other stuff. But I'm going with Apollo and Ascent. Thanks for calling and thanks for listening. You can get your dad all these gifts and more right now at the Macy's online gift guide. Thank you to Macy's for supporting today's lowdown wine. Check out Macy's online gift guide for more ideas at macy's.com slash gift guide or book an appointment with a personal stylist at your local Macy's.

1:04:47Rob Lowe:That man is a king. That man is a king. I'm feeling inspired. I don't know about you. Thanks for being with me and for listening to Literally and hopefully more great conversations like that one. That was a pretty damn good one. Coming next week, right here on Literally. Thanks for listening.

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