In short
Rob Lowe interviews Will Arnett (re-release of an episode originally tied to SmartLess). They discuss sports talk culture, why “dumb” questions are refreshing, sports/TV fandom, comedy writing, and career pivots. They also trade stories about golf consistency, gambling aversion, acting/network decisions, and memorable TV production anecdotes.
Guests (and hosts)
Rob Lowe (actor; hosts his own podcast solo in this episode). Will Arnett (actor/comedian; co-host of SmartLess with Jason Bateman and Sean Hayes). Mentioned: Jason Bateman and Sean Hayes (SmartLess cohosts, not present). Also Dan (golf partner), Mika Häkkinen (F1 champ, discussed), Sam Uis (World Cup soccer star, discussed), Patrick Dempsey (Grey’s Anatomy, discussed), Mitch Hurwitz (Arrested Development creator), Rip Torn (story).
Key claims
- Sports talk radio is often shallow and overly confident; Arnett argues for asking simple “why” questions instead of acting like experts.
- Comedy should stay “funny first,” not deadpan-only or “too cool for school.”
- Lowe’s network choice for Grey’s Anatomy vs Dr. Vegas hinged on perceived “love” and CBS vs ABC track records.
- Arnett praises Arrested Development’s layered, non-flat comedy style and credits Mitch Hurwitz’s writing.
Notable examples
- Golf: Lowe can’t break 87; Arnett credits golf/range work and PXG clubs.
- Sports: Arnett uses F1 pit-stop and World Cup “why” questions; Lowe criticizes soccer flopping and acting.
- TV: Lowe’s Grey’s Anatomy “McDreamy” impact vs his Parks and Rec path; Arrested Development script delivery “runner with manila envelope.”
- Production lore: West Wing Emmy-night gift of a single-serving espresso maker that broke and was rented; Rip Torn’s “fuck yourself” response about gifting Gary Shandling a car.
- Comedy: Arnett/Low discuss Unstable (Arnett) and Arrested Development as a top comedy.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOWeekend Activities and Golf Scores
2:14 to 3:37
Rob discusses his weekend and shares his consistent golf score of 87.
Transitioning into Sports
3:37 to 4:49
Will Arnett talks about his interest in sports and upcoming projects.
“You just do basically, as far as I can tell, whatever you want to do at this point.”
Critique of Sports Talk Radio
4:49 to 6:13
Will shares his thoughts on the state of sports talk radio and its culture.
“I think because I enjoy not just playing sports and I enjoy consuming sports, watching sports a lot.”
Dynamic Duo in Sports Commentary
6:13 to 8:04
Rob and Will discuss creating a unique sports show that contrasts with mainstream styles.
“Well, it's not, it's, you know, it's always, it's always like, look, this is what the Patriots need to do.”
Observations on Soccer Flopping
8:04 to 12:10
Rob and Will humorously analyze the acting in soccer and the phenomenon of flopping.
“And what we want to see more of is, I remember saying to John McEnroe a few years ago, I was like, why aren't you, we were talking about, we were at a hockey game in New York, but we were talking about basketball.”
Personal Stories on Sports and Fights
12:10 to 14:00
The hosts share personal anecdotes about sports experiences and rough play.
“Well, that goes without saying, I think at this point.”
The Thrill of Sports and Gambling
14:00 to 14:40
Discussion on the nature of sports and personal anecdotes about gambling experiences.
Dr. Vegas: A Career Choice
14:40 to 16:50
Rob Lowe shares his experience of choosing between two iconic shows, Dr. Vegas and Grey's Anatomy.
“I could, I could walk through, I shot, um, a TV series once that took place in Las Vegas.”
The Impact of Casting Decisions
16:50 to 20:10
Exploration of character impact in shows like Grey's Anatomy and the significance of casting.
“So you were, so it's pilot season, development season, and ABC comes at you with that and NBC comes at you with Dr.”
The Role of Parks and Recreation
20:10 to 23:15
Rob discusses his love for Parks and Recreation and how it shaped his career and relationships.
“I don't because people were like, oh yeah, Rob Lowe, he's the swaggering doctor.”
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Launching a Parks and Rec Podcast
23:15 to 25:37
Insight into the Parks and Recollection podcast and its behind-the-scenes stories.
“August is the perfect time to hit reset before the autumn rush begins and your closet is a great place to start.”
Launching a Parks and Rec Podcast
25:45 to 25:58
Insight into the Parks and Recollection podcast and its behind-the-scenes stories.
“That's Q-U-I-N-C-E dot com slash Rob for free shipping and 365 day returns.”
Revisiting Iconic TV Shows
27:22 to 28:06
Rob and Will reflect on the legacy of shows like Parks and Rec and The Office.
“There were different stages of Parks to Rec.”
Reflections on Iconic Comedy Casts
28:06 to 29:18
Discussing the exceptional talent in the cast of 'Parks and Recreation' and 'Arrested Development'.
“I was about to say, so you got Aubrey, you got Rashida, you got Adam Scott.”
Promoting 'Unstable' and Similarities to 'Arrested Development'
29:18 to 31:06
Will Arnett talks about his new show 'Unstable' and its parallels to 'Arrested Development'.
“We are hopefully imminently about to start season two.”
The Joy of Reading Great Scripts
31:06 to 31:54
Sharing experiences of receiving and appreciating quality scripts during filming.
A Classic Comedy Scene from 'Cheers'
31:54 to 34:18
Analyzing a memorable scene from 'Cheers' that showcases brilliant writing and direction.
“He's the most famous comedy half-hour director in the history of the world.”
The Impact of Great Comedy
34:18 to 37:18
Discussing the elation that comes from watching great comedy performances and writing.
“He literally earned it just by being really good.”
The Evolution of Comedy on Television
37:18 to 39:38
Examining the shift in comedy styles and the balance between humor and flatness in modern shows.
“I'm just saying that in general, yes, no, you're preaching to the choir.”
Recognition and Rewards in TV
39:38 to 42:00
A story about the West Wing's Emmy recognition and the expectations surrounding it.
“Listen, Will, but for the fact that I have the topper of all toppers, that's a great story.”
The Espresso Maker Gift
42:00 to 45:55
Rob shares a humorous story about an espresso maker gifted on behalf of AOL Time Warner.
“peter roth the titanic leader of sure hbo of of warner brothers on tv comes in and he says on behalf of AOL Time Warner, we would like to recognize the West Wing for its historic Emmy night.”
Rip Torn and Canceled Shows
45:55 to 50:04
The conversation shifts to Rip Torn's humorous response to a gift for Gary Shandling and Rob's experience with a canceled show.
“We decide, since we're canceled, to just burn the bridges down.”
The Increasingly Poor Decisions
50:04 to 53:04
Rob discusses his work with David Cross and the absurdity of a show where the world ends.
“I did this thing with David Cross called the increasingly poor decisions of Todd Margaret.”
The Art of Roasting
56:00 to 56:40
Explore the nuances of comedic roasts and their appeal.
“My roast is too easy because there's too many things you can...”
Memorable Roast Experiences
56:40 to 58:10
Rob and Will share their personal experiences with roasts.
“my favorite things that because I love a good burn I had the time of my life that's right I I forgot you got roasted.”
Crafting the Perfect Burn
58:10 to 1:00:10
Discuss the elements that make a roast truly effective.
“And I was like, God, I love me some Brad Pitt.”
The Team Dynamic in Comedy
1:00:10 to 1:03:00
Will and Rob discuss how they interact with each other and others in a comedic setting.
“We come out and this woman goes, your dog's barking.”
Love Language Through Humor
1:03:00 to 1:05:00
Understanding how humor and ribbing signify affection among friends.
“be mean there is she does have that sort of she's a very sort of um not optimistic um but she does She does have that, but she doesn't like piling on.”
Fitness and Lifestyle Choices
1:05:00 to 1:10:08
Insights into Rob and Will's fitness routines and lifestyle habits.
“Just knowing, just waiting for him to have a real answer.”
Rob's Atkins Journey and Fitness Routine
1:10:08 to 1:16:37
Rob discusses his journey with the Atkins diet and intermittent fasting.
“So you're asking me, so, so I eat Atkins way.”
Cultural Reflections on Food and Diet
1:16:38 to 1:19:28
Rob and Will reflect on food habits and the societal constructs around diet.
“And there's millions of women that look just like this one.”
Cultural Reflections on Food and Diet
1:20:31 to 1:21:13
Rob and Will reflect on food habits and the societal constructs around diet.
“or ride, whether that's a boat, RV, or motorcycle.”
Transcript
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1:16Rob Lowe:Hello, everybody. It is me, Rob Lowe. this is literally um i have one of my favorite people in the world um will arnett he's coming at you he and um who those two other guys he does the podcast with oh yeah yeah yeah yeah jason bateman and sean hayes i kid i kid i love the three of them i love smartless it's it's the gold standard um but i'm doing mine by myself i'm just saying i'm not saying that makes my show better. I think it makes the show harder. And then you can be the judge of, of whether content is more worthy when you have help, when you have a lot of help. I'll let you be the judge of that.
1:57Rob Lowe:Um, but that said, I do love Smartless and I love these guys and I love Will and he's just one of the greatest hangs ever. And, um, this is, this is going to be a good one. So let's get to it.
2:13this is your show but let me ask you a question how is your weekend uh what did i do this weekend
2:19Rob Lowe:um well because we are currently going through this writer's strike sure um it feels like uh it feels like like um what's like groundhog's day mixed with um summer vacation and so i i'm just like i feel free to do all kinds of stuff that i usually never have the time to do and i'm also kind of like bummed out obviously i want to go back to work um but i golfed of you know yesterday and i know that you love that how do we do here's the thing why i cannot shoot i cannot shoot a score other than an 87 i can't do it whether i should play badly or whether i play great i add it up it's an 87 no matter what course i'm on it's what is that about that's your number interesting i don't know what that's about i um i played with our mutual friend dan yesterday oh good yep i like the dandies gets mentions across multiple podcasts as he should as he should and um i played with him at his place out there where we played a little while ago yep and uh i shot an 84 yesterday yeah very respectable not not bad respectable left a few shots out there for sure i was draining drano with the putter draynomatic i can't make a pot rob i will show you i'll show you how to do it your game is good i saw you recently when we played a few months ago your game looks really it's coming along i know you said you're spending a lot of time at the range yes it's working a good and it's solid and i don't remember your putting but is it is it better now it was i never put badly i just put averagely but um i'm playing these new pxgs i love my pxgs shout out to pxg not a sponsor but should be hello hint hint right i do have sponsors on this podcast i do i mean you know i'm i'm in it to win it we have we have ads and we love our sponsors and why i don't know pxg needs to wake up smell the coffee they need to wake up but my lynn i'm gonna say hi to my friends at titleist who have been and titleist foot joy who have been very helpful.
4:32Rob Lowe:Yeah. Dude, you're the sports. You figured your life out so big time. You just do basically, as far as I can tell, whatever you want to do at this point. How did you get to that point? Well, first of all, I'd be nowhere if it wasn't for dumb luck. Well, that makes two of us. Right. I mean, yeah, it's funny. I think because I enjoy not just playing sports and I enjoy consuming sports, watching sports a lot. And I talk about it a lot on, on the podcast. And then we started playing Jason and I started, uh, you know, we done, done a few of these, um, pro-am events and stuff. So in the golf world, kind of started getting into that.
5:16And then formula one, I started watching. So I got into that. Now I'm doing this thing with Danny Ricardo, uh, in formula one. Amazing. Yeah. And I kind of, if I'm being honest, I'm glad you asked me. I, I see myself in the next few years spending more time in the sports space. I think I'm not a, I'm obviously I've never been a professional athlete. And I think that the clock has run out on that.
5:42Rob Lowe:Yeah, probably. but i like a lot of people i'm just a very attentive fan and i watch a lot of sports different sports and i like talking about them and um i think that there's room for that you know i have a tough time with uh sports talk radio and stuff a lot of the time oh give me your take on that give me will arnett you're on you right now yeah you're an improv mother fuck sure um i just unnecessarily swore i don't know why i did that maybe maybe because i felt that this particular thing is losing edge but i don't know i'm trying to repel women right now who are my my number one demo they tell me and so i said i know we'll talk sports and i'll start swearing it'll be great they're gonna love it um so okay do your version of the worst of of of um sports radio sports radio Give it to me.
6:34Well, it's not, it's, you know, it's always, it's always like, look, this is what the Patriots need to do. Tom Brady, and they start to, they first of all, are you crazy?
6:46Rob Lowe:Have you, have you even watched a game? Have you watched the game? Or do you just scroll through it? The last 30 home games, they were averaging 14 points. Now, if you look at what they did with, and you're like, man, you've just taken the fun and the romance. They suck the romance. Can we do this together? I mean, I know that you, are you trying to break away from working with other people? Because you're kind of, you kind of at this point are, I mean, I don't want to say you're beholden to Sean Hayes and Jason Bateman, but you guys have a good thing going on. So you probably don't want to do it with me.
7:21Rob Lowe:But I think, I think our version right now of a sports show would die because I think we could do like dynamic duo. We could be Clark Kent and Superman. So we could do the bad version for people who like that. Yeah. And then we can do the version we want to do, but we do it in the same show. So people understand the difference. Because when you talk, listen, I'm sorry. I need to stop you right there. When you talk about the Patriots offense and the, and the 14 point conversion layer, you, that's the Bill Belichick era. That is not the era that we are dealing in now. Exactly. Exactly. That's exactly what we want to get rid of.
8:04And what we want to see more of is, I remember saying to John McEnroe a few years ago, I was like, why aren't you, we were talking about, we were at a hockey game in New York, but we were talking about basketball. I said, McEnroe, you should be covering basketball. Everything. He's the best.
8:22Rob Lowe:Everything. He's so good. And he says it the way that you want to say it, the way he talks about tennis. he breaks it down he talks very real and i've kind of i feel like i'm always trying to capture his spirit when i talk about so i did this thing with formula one last year um with uh with amp and amazon and i went to a bunch of races then we covered the races after we were talking about with mika haken and uh yeah formula one two-time champ um every time i'd say former champ uh mika would always go two-time champion i was like i know make it that's amazing is the best dude the best dude and we would talk about uh that or we did this world cup show as well i was in qatar and i would say we would just talk about you know because i don't have i don't know anybody in this space i could talk about it in a way that was just very sort of real but also not shouty and you'd kind of go like hey you know it's kind of a dick move when uh verstappen cut him off on that corner right it's like well it's okay i go let's be honest it was a dick move and you know in a way that you and i would talk if we yes rob if you and i were at watching a race on the couch but what would we do if it was a sport we really truly didn't know anything about like what if i came in because i'm i'm new to the formula one game sure and and so am i so that was my whole angle well if I, if I say something, why do you change your tires so much?
9:48Rob Lowe:Would that, that would be too, too, too much of an idiot move. No, I like that. You see, I think that that's what we need more of. Cause we have way too many experts. Everybody has, I mean, you've been on social media, you can make, you can say, you could tweet out good morning, everybody. And then immediately somebody go, well, it's night where I am. And you're like, okay, man, I'm just fine. and that's the world we live in right it's just the and believe me as somebody who i act like an expert a lot of the time too and i love correcting people as well but we live in this world where it's just so automatic so i think it's okay and refreshing to come in and go why do you change your tires like why is he going to the pit now and i would do that i would after the race i would say you know mika why did he or when i was watching the world cup and uh and i had like uh sam uis who was a, you know, um, U S soccer star.
10:44And I would ask her, I'd be like, why, how hard is it to make that play? Or is that tackle, you know, asking those questions that you
10:52Rob Lowe:think are dumb. That's what people want to talk about. Yeah. I'd be like, why does everybody pull an Achilles when they're looking 17 times a game and then get up and run like a gazelle? Well, yeah, they get up. And so you, what, that was what I would do. We'd be watching World Cup and I'd go, you know, I, this has long been my beef. There are certainly some of the continental European leagues, uh, IE La Liga and league one in France, but really La Liga football soccer. I mean, it is a lot of these guys should be repped by CAA. Yeah. The acting's amazing. Incredible. When you see a guy, all of a sudden he gets, it looks like he's sort of gotten tackled.
11:36He's on the far side of the pitch and then he goes flying in the air and he grabs his face. So not only was his face not touched, but in the replay, they showed that he wasn't touched at all. At all. At all. And he's writhing around on the ground. And you're like, fuck me, man.
11:50Rob Lowe:But here's what I like. I like their commitment to the act. I like, A, their commitment to the phony baloney act. But then when they don't get the call, they don't even try to, like, go into the next moment. They just jump right up and run off. And drop it. Yeah, they drop it. It's a bit that didn't work. And they're moving on. like a comedian they just they just don't care it's pretty you gotta you gotta give them credit for the shamelessness yes of it right oh yeah you're like you you want to be are you not embarrassed no they're not like ah ah you didn't got okay we go to the you know whatever which is so funny because it's counterintuitive you think that like that they don't they'd want to act tough well here's as a canadian so i grew up watching hockey oh boy last thing you want to do is show any weakness oh yes i know friends i know my my buddy who played for many years and he got a major cut but he really wanted to go back out and fight in the third period even though he had just gotten stitches in during the game and he did and he went out and fought again and i was like dude you're why did it was years ago but he was you know i was saying when he was way younger and i was like why did you do that he was like i just i had to i was so mad i wanted to fight that guy Well, it makes sense to me.
13:07I get it. It doesn't make sense to me. First of all, never the face.
13:13Rob Lowe:Well, that goes without saying, I think at this point. You and I know never the face. Never, never, ever. Ever. That's the thing. It's like, hey, I'm training in the boxing gym. You should come down and train. I'm like, what do you do? I'd have to wear one of those like balloon hats on my. you're gonna go you know they wear those like sumo suits yes but just on my head oh well i'd be uh i would be um you know like uh mr cub or one of those one of those mascots where they just wear a head and the rest of their body's fine and then you're like now i'll spar let's go let's just bean head on i don't like i don't like getting hit what is i don't nobody likes getting hit i so no no no some people do i guess they do no they for sure haven't you met those guys like they're in bars they want to fight they're they're i once had a football coach and there's there's you know people who want who like being hit and there are people who don't my favorite is chad low my my young younger brother the sports addict fanatic loves football toughest football decided he was going to play football went to one pop warner practice got hit the first time and quit because he's smart he got hit once he was like nope nope nope nope not for me smart i like i like me some chad low i haven't seen him in a while and so shout out to the chad he's a good boy he's a very good boy um yeah i that's how i feel about gambling too i remember i used to play in this game forever with uh with jason sean uh richter kyle gas sometimes jack black great game it was a great game this is like 20 years ago at kyle gas's house and he had a poker table that dominated his living room and um red flag major red flag lakers game going tuesday nights you know i'll bet he had he had a lot of girls that were of wonderful material it yeah it wasn't a um they weren't in the in the old in the old school parlance there weren't a lot of chicks around um yeah so but we used to play and i remember i i played we played that game for over a year and then i had i went away i'd done pretty well in that game over the few months and like one whatever kind of break even once though came back lost big like like within 10 minutes lost like$700 stood up and said, I'll see you guys later.
15:52And I never played again. I was like, I like losing$700.
15:56Rob Lowe:You know what? I'm so glad to hear you say that. I don't either. I could, I could walk through, I shot, um, a TV series once that took place in Las Vegas. And I realized I could walk through a casino every day of my life with untold free time on my hands and never be tempted ever to sit down and gamble. Yeah. I hate losing money. It's so hard to make. Yeah. When you've had to earn your own money, you realize how, you know, how much you don't want to lose. And I forgot about you did that. You were a doctor in Vegas, right? Was it Dr. Vegas? It's the greatest title ever because it tells you exactly what the show's about.
16:44Rob Lowe:Should have been bad doctor in Vegas. It was Dr. Vegas. It was Dr. Vegas. And you know that I had a very tough choice choosing between that and Grey's Anatomy. No way. Oh, yeah. Did you really? Oh, yeah. Wait, wait, Rob. I did not know this. Oh, yeah. So you were, so it's pilot season, development season, and ABC comes at you with that and NBC comes at you with Dr. Vegas. It was, well, listen, here's the rub. It's actually, it's CBS. Oh, CBS. Dr. Vegas went, literally, CBS, everything they touched ran for 15 years. Right. Everything. So that was the math you did. well and more so and it was um lawrence bender who produced all of clinton tarantino's movies yeah his first thing in tv and i was a big fan of this show called nip tuck that ryan murphy made and my thing was it's going to be a network version of nip tuck right and this sounds great um and and what was and when you read or talked to the people at gray's anatomy at abc you were like guys nice try or no no i go this is a better script it's a great script yeah um and i had a meeting with everybody and they were very eager but there was a sort of element where i didn't feel the love as much i just i didn't i didn't feel the love i had the offer i had the offer to do it but but in the room everybody was kind of a little standoffish maybe do you feel like maybe it was like the network really wanted you but they were you were being kind of pushed on them a little if i had if i had to do the math that that could have absolutely been there it was perfectly nice don't get me wrong of course no no no but you know that you know the vibe where it was like yeah and and so i left that and then i got a phone call never forget it from the guy around cbs who's a titanic legend who you frankly didn't cross and he was like let me i hear you're considering this show at abc let me let me let me explain something to you we're cbs we make hits we make our shows run forever abc has not launched a new show in 15 years you want to do that and i was like you're right that was the year and by the way that was all true all those those numbers are true that was the year that not only did they launch finally two new shows they launched gray's anatomy and um uh the the one about the lady no the crazy ladies who all did crazy desperate desperate housewives yeah that was the same wow yep let me tell you let me tell you how this works you know and look and that's why i say like looking back on it and and by the way had i not had here's my theory i don't think me on Grey's Anatomy has anywhere near the impact that Dempsey had playing McDreamy.
20:10Rob Lowe:I don't because people were like, oh yeah, Rob Lowe, he's the swaggering doctor. Sure. But Dempsey was like, wow, who, what? Wow. Like new, fresh, been away for a while, was back. They wouldn't have called me McDreamy. They would just call me Rob Lowe.
20:30listen you've been mcdreaming for a long time so let's not kid ourselves a i'm gonna say it i'm gonna say it for america because you can't say but we can as america and canadians um but also i can patrick dempsey amazing amazing great so good in that part so good in general love the guy you would have been amazing you would have been very good don't sell yourself short you would have been fantastic and that makes sense to me god i love wait let's go through just a few more yeah rob low passes that's by that's really honestly the only big one that
21:10Rob Lowe:well not only it's it's so big by the way as my wife will remind me sure cheryl low yeah would like to have that gray's anatomy bag yeah that's a lot of that's speaking of bag that's a lot of Birkin's at Hermes right there. I mean, let's be real. You'd be, your studio would be Birkin. It'd be like, you'd be in a big Birkin bag. I would live in a, in a Birkin like Lidsville. Instead of living in a hat, I'd be living in a purse. If you, if you had that Grey's Anatomy Dosky, you'd, you could buy Conan's company and then fire him. big red i big big red big red your time your time is over and just i would if i had that dough i'd buy conan's company and i'd fire him day one yeah to his face defo to his face with cameras rolling yes don't you understand i'm mcdreamy who's mcdreamy now he's like he's like what uh you I don't know.
22:19I don't remember that happened. How did I get into that? Wait, so that was the big one. But there must have been other ones, because you have been just at the center of it for so long. There must have been other scripts or things that came your way that you were like, ah.
22:33Rob Lowe:Well, there are ones that I didn't get. And, I mean, and listen, by the way, it wasn't like I knew. I think I have a pretty good picker. I mean, because I knew Grey's Anatomy was great. It was a great script. And, by the way, Shonda Rhimes had only written a Britney Spears movie. That was it. interesting so it was like who knows i don't know can she run a tv show right i don't know turns out she can run 700 tv shows yeah it turns out um never know yeah so and the other thing is had i done that i would still be on it probably and and living in the the birkin the living birkin but i i wouldn't have done the things that i got like parks and rec i wouldn't have been on parks and rec right and i love i love parks and rec i love it i love it and i say this with all respect i i'd rather be on parks and rec than gray's anatomy i would i get that i get that first of all we wouldn't know each other maybe and we wouldn't be doing this we wouldn't know each other doing this because we met through amy because of parks and rec that's right um that's a great point you were great on parks and rec by the way no thanks man yeah dude you were really good and for as as you might imagine i'm a big fan of i'm a big parks and rec fan it's it's such it's that show's amazing so good and amy's incredible in it everybody's incredible in it and mike sure obviously we all love mike sure everybody's sure um and it it's a great i we we have a podcast parks and recollection uh where we we sit and we i didn't know that talk about the show we sure do i i launched it and then alan yang and i launched it um and then we just great alan yang the great alan yang and we uh and we and we just turned the reins over to jim o 'hare and greg levine and and they crush it it's super funny parks and recollection get it where you get your podcasts i'm gonna go yeah wherever you get your podcasts uh and um also mention what's the uh Your golf clubs again?
24:33Rob Lowe:Oh, PXG. Mention them again. PXG. Wherever you get your podcasts, PXG. Send some clubs.
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27:22I loved when you came on Parks to Rec. It was so funny. There were different stages of Parks to Rec. And everybody just had their own little... Everybody worked together well. And then everybody had their own distinctive voice. and that's what i loved about that show uh and i think during covet we ended up the kids and i ended up re-watching we re-watched the office and parks and rec i didn't really fully watch the american office all the way through and i ended up blazing and i couldn't believe it i was like i've deprived myself you know krasinski's one of my best and i deprived myself of that show i'm like that is amazing and parks and rec and we watched it all during covet um and then uh and pratt
28:05Rob Lowe:I mean, how great was Pratt? I mean, it's unbelievable. It's unbelievable. That show is, it's Murderer's Row. But. Think about it. You, Amy, Pratt. Aubrey Plaza. I was about to say, so you got Aubrey, you got Rashida, you got Adam Scott. Aziz. You got fucking Offerman. By the way, this is all in no particular order. Yeah. It's a freaking Murderer's Row. Aziz. I mean, just, you keep going. it's amazing it's a it's it's a it's a once in a lifetime thing and i'm i'm i'm i'm so glad that they uh that they invited me to come in and play i mean yeah but you know listen i gotta give i gotta just say arrested development my good friend i i've been going i i've always loved it i've never been under any illusion that was anything other than a fucking amazing show but But I, because, you know, I have a new show on Netflix.
29:05Rob Lowe:I'm just, it's like a very pluggy episode of the podcast. Yeah, you guys are doing your show. We're doing. We're doing a. So we're doing. So we're doing. We're it's on Netflix now. It's called Unstable. We are hopefully imminently about to start season two. That's what I was going to say. Yeah. But you also have your other show on Fox. Yes, I have that too. so you have two shows that you're not shooting right now i have two shows i'm not shooting wow i have two shows that are not shooting and um but listen as i as as i was out promoting and introducing um unstable to the world i kept saying hopefully it's in the genre of arrested development i mean of all the comedies that are out there and there are so many that i'm a fan that's not they're not so many that's not true they're not so many i'm a fan of there are very specific ones and it's i i and this is the new thing this is why i'm bringing it up i'm i'm landing the plane on this very long rambling moment of the of the podcast i think arrested development actually probably gun to my head is the best of that group of shows i love 30 rock office parks and rec i think arrested is the best one wow um um uh always sunny yeah all those are all my favorite shows i think arrested is the best and here's the other thing i think your character might be my favorite of of a bunch of great characters oh wow i'm a job guy i'm a big job guy um well thank you for that i i can't really take uh credit for the show but but but it's very kind of you to say i i was i was really uh fortunate to um to encounter mitch herwitz the great who created rest development and and so um you know all credit to him as you might imagine his writing is just uh when he's at the top of his game there's nobody funnier yeah and it's layered and it's um it's just pretty amazing so i i was really lucky i mean you know you know we were talking about you know reading scripts and stuff and stuff comes in and you read and you go like when you recognize you're like oh yeah this is great anatomy is really good when we were doing arrested development especially that first year jason i would call each we get the new scripts on sunday nights if we were lucky uh maybe monday morning and we'd call each other and go oh my god did you read the new script for this week it's so good like we it was one of the rare times that you could actually appreciate it in the moment how good the material was isn't that great it was it did you feel like you those are probably also in the days when they would have a runner send the script oh right like you did the ding dong and it'd be a runner from the studio like with an actual script in their hand physical yeah somebody would come with an actual script and they drop it off into a manila envelope yeah right uh and leave it at your front door and you know the cast is i lived in venice uh so did cross jason was up in the hills tony was wherever jessica was wherever jeffrey was so you know you have one or two people and they're driving all over la at 5 a.m with scripts one of my favorite stories about about physical delivery of stuff in showbiz, which Jim Burroughs told me this about.
32:47Rob Lowe:I've had Jim Burroughs on the podcast. He's the best, right? He's the most famous comedy half-hour director in the history of the world. The most. I've been re-watching old Cheers episodes in the last six months. Amazing show. You want to go and see. You talk about a high bar when in terms of writing, acting, directing, and the combo. I made, you know, Abel, my son, I made Abel come down and watch this scene that I've just described amongst on many platforms and services. I've talked about this scene. One of my favorite comedy scenes of all time. It's the last episode of season four of cheers.
33:25And Diane is jealous that Sam's got that. He's dating the woman who's the politician. So Diane goes, I'm going to leave. And she stands up in front of everybody. She goes by the door and she makes this big announcement. I'm leaving. You shall never see me again. And the times have been good, but lo, it's time for me to leave. She makes this big, boring speech, like sort of farewell to the truce. And her final sort of salvo is, and you shall never see Diane Chambers again. And she walks out the door. Beat. Beat. The door opens slightly, and a hand comes in and starts reaching for this coat rack where there was a coat.
34:07and carla's on the other side of the coat rack and she can see and she just ever so slightly pulls the coat rack back back back in the hand the hand keeps coming in further further further further finally diane falls in and carly says hey everybody look diane's back like it's amazing it's amazing and i said to abel i was like that is a culmination of really good writing really good acting and just absolute platinum directing yeah timing all those things yep yep absolutely you feel so lucky when you watch that stuff and you go like this is
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34:47Rob Lowe:you know there's no you feel elated like and again like when i watch episodes of of arrested it's i'm i'm jaded man i'm super jaded i do not like a lot i really really don't particularly in comedy but when i but when i like it i almost want to start weeping yeah yes yes that's i i totally relate to that and i'm i'm the same way i hate everything famously in my friend group i think that everything sucks and and i'm i'm an equal opportunity i mean that goes for most of the stuff i've done too i'm like boy that really sucks but but yeah so when you watch a scene like that like from cheers or you watch you read something like mitch herwitz had a lot of that you know mitch is not a lot of people know mitch herwitz who created rust development and and show ran it mitch worked on he started it with thomas and he started as a runner at whit thomas and ended up running he wrote for golden girls and then they did golden palace and he worked his way up just because he's a talented, funny motherfucker.
35:52He literally earned it just by being really good. Zero connections. Right. But he came, there was something to be said for, he came up writing on an incredible multicam sitcom. Yep. That was his, that's where he kind of learned a lot of, and a lot of that is sort of based on theater, as you know, Jimmy Burroughs, big theater guy. Yep. Uh, so Mitch brought a lot of that to, to Arrested Development, I think. So it wasn't, you know, Arrested wasn't like a lot of, a lot of single camera shows ended up getting kind of flatter and flatter and flatter as they went. Arrested wasn't like a flat show in that way.
36:34Rob Lowe:No, it wasn't, which I really appreciate. Because that, again, like I like some of that flat stuff, but it's what I love about 30 Rock. 30 Rock is one breath away from being a living cartoon. yeah a sketch like basically a sketch right yes you can't i think that that's 30 rock arrested and barson rex certainly had a lot of this too and so did the office you can't be afraid to be a comedy yes thank you thank you and i think that there's a lot of people who are too cool for school right and they want they want to sort of they want to sort of break comedy down and they're going to be you know and i'm like you know what be funny first i don't mean I'm not suggesting that I am.
37:18I'm just saying that in general, yes, no, you're preaching to the choir. Keep preach, preach. Yeah. And just allow yourself. Don't, don't be too cool for school and don't be worried about how there's too much of that. Like everything got weighed for me, for my liking, got way too dead and sort of deadpan. And there's certainly a time and place for that, but you got to mix it up, man.
37:42Rob Lowe:I'm with, I'm with you. And look, Unstable is an unapologetic, in-your-face comedy. Which is great. And it's like, I never thought that that would be considered outside the norm or daring or unique. But it is. It is today. I look at the list of shows that are nominated in comedy categories. Yeah. And look, I mean no disrespect to anybody. No. I remember years ago, well, this is a perfect Amy story. Amy and I, after the Emmys, every year, would sit in the makeup chair and look at each other and just go, Nurse Jackie, what are you going to do? Hilarious, the hilarious Nurse Jackie. It's, by the way, I love Nurse Jackie.
38:35Rob Lowe:It's a great show. It's not a comedy. Right. Yeah, I, I, believe me, i had my own uh who was yours we had a bunch we had a bunch of shows that were like um i think i think i think desperate housewives was a comedy i guess because they ended up saying it was a satire or something and i think we arrested had the arrested development had the benefit of we we won our first year we won best comedy our first year uh and then never again um like we're done with that we gave them what they needed yeah we were so surprised yeah we were sure we were the little show that that fox hated i think the fox at that time is really bummed that we won yes because they were like fuck now we gotta keep these guys on the air and they gave us famously an ice cream not truck cart to congratulate us.
39:40Rob Lowe:Listen, Will, but for the fact that I have the topper of all toppers, that's a great story. West Wing. Yeah. We win. We're going to win four consecutive best show Emmys. We're going to win at that time the most Emmys any show has ever won. The first year, we sweep every category we're also in the top 10 ratings warner brothers makes the tv show they're about to famously merge in what they think is going to be one of the greatest corporate synergy moves of all time with aol time warner and everybody is just you've got westwick they're just proud as peacocks no pun intended sure and they're like hey the um the brass has come into the set and they want to gift everybody and i remember talking to the late great john spencer and this is the time when i think the friends cast all got cars i remember melina kenna carides on providence got a Range Rover.
40:55No way.
40:57Rob Lowe:I remember every department head on ER got a million dollar check. What? So if you ran wardrobe, million dollars. You ran, you were the head of the electricians, million dollars. You were the DP, million dollars. This was the world we were living in. Now, granted, those are extraordinary moments in time. still that is what's going on i'm not making it up it all went on john spencer says do you think we're getting cars i'm like oh man can you fucking imagine can you imagine so we stopped shooting we all crowd into the roosevelt room it's hot as hell i'll never forget it as long as i live we're always behind on that show always behind and we're waiting we're waiting we're waiting we're waiting and people with walkie-talkies come in like secret service types they're coming there the executives are on the way there they're coming there hush falls over the room and in comes all these wall street people and aol executives and warner brother executives and peter roth the titanic leader of sure hbo of of warner brothers on tv comes in and he says on behalf of AOL Time Warner, we would like to recognize the West Wing for its historic Emmy night.
42:21Rob Lowe:We feel it is emblematic of everything that the new AOL Time Warner will become. And as a token of our appreciation for what you have accomplished, we would like to present you with this. And then he motions. and a guy comes out with what looks like a room service cart with a blanket over it. And Peter Roth grabs it and literally says, Voila! It's a single serving espresso maker.
43:00Rob Lowe:No way! That is a on my children's life.
43:11Rob Lowe:single serving
43:17Rob Lowe:not only you have to go one at a time it's a it's a crew of 200 people that is it fucking incredible it broke 10 days later and the prop master went to replace it and found out it was rented. No way. Yes. It's all true.
43:45Jeffrey Tambor told me. First of all, that's outrageous, but also great. Jeffrey Tambor told me once that when they were doing Larry Sanders at the end of the series, they all decided they were going to pitch in and get Gary Shandling a great gift. so what are you going to do and they decide that they're going to buy him a car they're all going to chip in the gas because he's done this thing and he's right they're going to buy him they're all going to collectively and it's going to cost them 10 grand each or whatever it's going to be some epic just to think gary and jeffrey has been given the task hotel rip oh so he goes up Jeffrey tells me the reason he told me the story was because I was shooting a show at Radford, uh, when I was doing up all night with Christina Applegate, when you guys were doing, uh, and my, I had the same dressing room as rip apparently when he was on.
44:45So that's why, and so this is rip torn.
44:49Rob Lowe:One of the great, one of the great, I, I worked with, I have rip store, but this, yeah, please rip is, rip was amazing. amazing yeah i worked with him on 30 rock as well oh it's amazing so he goes so jeffrey goes up to his dressing room good jeffrey had said i recognize this is the dressing room rip out and then he tells me the story so he goes up and he knocks on the rip's door and rip opens the door yeah he goes uh hey uh rip we're uh we've all decided we're gonna get together we're gonna pull together we're gonna get a great gift for gary he goes okay he goes yeah we're gonna we're gonna buy him a car rip looks at him and goes oh fuck yourself and slams the door shut that's rip go fuck yourself one of the great by the way you know where he stands there's no doubt there's no doubt by the way we knew where aol time warner stood we were worth about one espresso maker what didn't you and it should be noted west wing went on into syndication heaven yes somebody got rich somebody the guy who brought in the espresso maker did definitely there's definitely somebody um what did you work with rip i worked i worked with rip on after i after aaron sorkin and i both left the west wing uh in season four and i did a show called the lion's den really good cast david crumlicks david crumholtz um elizabeth mitchell kyle chandler yeah um and rip played my father rip played your father yes do you know so here's just a quick one so it uh the show premieres this is very inside baseball but you'll get it we do an 8.6 in the demo eight and eight six by the way today the biggest hit in the world does a point a point nine you're a massive hit we did an eight point six and they're like oh it's over we're done we're we're done so they cancel us but they make us shoot the order they make us continue we're canceled but we have to continue shooting because that's what you do when you're canceled you continue to make a tv show that no one's gonna ever see but this i'm not making this up either yeah we we continue to shoot so we they've long since fired the original showrunner because he was spending more time editing his daughter's um basketball games on his computer than writing the scripts.
47:55Rob Lowe:Also not kidding.
47:59Rob Lowe:And so the whole predicate of the show was I'm a young up-and-coming lawyer in a law firm that's rife with corruption and may have even killed its founding partner who was my mentor and I'm going to get to the bottom of it. Right? Sounds good enough to me. Sounds like a show to me. Yeah, that's a show. We decide, since we're canceled, to just burn the bridges down. So we decide I'm going to be the guy who killed my mentor. And all of this is going to lead to me. We shoot scenes for me of taking anti-psychotic drugs and backfill them into episodes. Got it. And so the end of the series that has been like a Tom Cruise-ian Young Heroes series, it actually ended in the finale, which I think they showed in Estonia.
49:03Rob Lowe:It's the only place it ever aired. Kyle Chandler, who works at the law firm, comes in and I'm eating a steak in the corporate dining room. And he confronts me with being the killer. And I get up from eating the steak, stab him to death with the steak knife. he falls bloodily over the conference table i walk over to the doors out onto the patio and leap to my death no fucking way yep that is epic when we pitched the idea to the studio and the network they hated the show so much they're like yeah that's great i don't think they actually even listened that they let us make this show that is so that they're like yeah all they could think was like oh good your character's dead yeah so now there's no chance that anybody will ever bring up hey can we try again yeah so like yeah great idea yeah have him kill himself yeah yeah Yeah.
50:05What a fucking crazy. I did this thing with David Cross called the increasingly poor decisions of Todd Margaret. Great title. Great title.
50:18Rob Lowe:Great title that you should also know will never work. I'm just saying. Of course. And I really admire Cross for sticking with it. just being going for the super long title and just being like i'm not fucking changing yeah exactly for sure uh and i love i love me some david cross so much and so so cross um we do we do the first i guess it was the end of the second season and david has his character he ends up in north korea the true story ends up and blowing and hitting the button and blowing up the world okay it's amazing complete and you see scenes of just a nuclear annihilation nuclear annihilation armageddon just fucking end of the world the face of the planet is just like this flaming thing somebody comes back and we shoot the show over in england we started we originally shot but it was with i guess like uh channel four or something like that anyway and then it was like independent you know ifc or whatever they come back ifc or somebody says we really want to do a third season.
51:42David's like, I blew up the planet, man. I'm like, I know, but is there any way?
51:51Rob Lowe:That's right. I know, but is there any way? It's such a great... We know. We know the planet blown up. So is there any way? But is there any way? And he did. He found a way. And we did more. Fuck, it was so funny. I remember him calling me to tell, like, hey man, how's your summer looking? and i was like no way i'm in amagansett what do you think i'm doing i'm not going till next week by the way i'm not going till next week i am leaving saturday for the summer i'm coming out are you yeah i'm coming out i don't know when please and that i'm coming out to the long island not yes not just i'm coming out well listen not that there's anything wrong with that either but i'm but at this point i'm this would be big news put it this way rob this should be such big news on so many fronts right well the gay community would be very happy yes there and do you think there'd be a lot of i knew it all the time stuff i would i probably wouldn't say that out loud oh you're singing the world yeah i uh i think no i don't think there would be that but it would be it would be epic and i'd be your and i'd be excited i'd be really excited for you but i i will only say that the reason that seth mcfarland and i are friends and that i do a lot of work with him is one of the great stewie family guy bits where stewie goes to hollywood and he's getting his makeup done in one of those giant makeup chairs and the scene opens and he's getting his makeup done with clearly a really flamboyant gay guy and stewie goes oh please just let me do one more and the makeup guy goes all right you can do one more and he goes rob low and he goes and the makeup guy goes straight so he goes no you would never know to look at him
53:57Rob Lowe:wow it just made me laugh it was it's such a it's such a great shot of course it's so good you i'm i'm glad you say that because i was thinking of i was talking to some friends last night at dinner and i was saying how much i love a good burn a funny burn and and i really have you ever been have you ever been roasted you need to be you okay listen forget the pxg stuff all the stuff we've done sure we need and i'm actually not i'm not kidding about this i'm gonna i'm not kidding when we get off this i'm making a call you've probably had this offer and you said no. I want to host your roast on Comedy Central.
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56:08My roast is too easy. It's great! My roast is too easy because there's too many things you can... First of all, America wouldn't care, but B... Not true. It's true. And B, I could write my own roast. I mean I'd it would be so easy to hit me but but look that makes no difference it the roast work
56:32Rob Lowe:I've seen roasts that are great when it's somebody who seems unroastable and I've also seen ones where you're like oh they're just gonna tee off on on this person they roasted me it's one of my favorite things that because I love a good burn I had the time of my life that's right I I forgot you got roasted. I loved it. When was that, Rob? They teed off. When was that? I want to say it was about five years ago now. I think, I think. Oh, no, no, no. I can tell you exactly what it was. It was longer than that. It was the year that Trump was running for president because Ann Coulter was on my dais and was going on and on about how great Trump was.
57:18Rob Lowe:And at a certain point, the roast shifted to a roast of Ann Coulter. It was in 2016. Yeah. Uh, got it. Uh, so, okay. I think, I think, I think they asked me to come and participate in that. And I wasn't around. I've been asked to take part in two roasts, yours and Alec Baldwin's. Both. Yeah. I mean, neither I could attend. I love watching. First of all, I love watching the roasts. They're so funny. And those comedians who, who are really good at roasts. We were talking about this last night. I was talking about with the great Mary McCormick last night. Love her. Love her. There, there are certain people, certain comedians who are so good at that.
58:09It's such a specific talent and I love it. I love, I was telling this story of on our smart list, uh,
58:18Rob Lowe:docuseries that's on max which is which is by the way great i see by the smart list docuseries is all over my tiktok twitter feed all it's everywhere it's got to be crushing is it because it feels like it to me we don't really that's what amy just told me uh this weekend amy's like oh my god the smart list thing is all over the place those clips are hilarious they're hilarious i could i could recite them to you i've seen them so much well it's it's weird so but in the show So on one of the episodes, we're talking with Matt Damon, we're in Wisconsin and Matt, we're talking about Brad Pitt. And I was like, God, I love me some Brad Pitt.
58:52And I do. I love Brad. He knows that. And I told this story about running into Brad at this concert or a friend of ours. And then he's, and he, Brad was very kind and generous with words. He was like, I loved your show flaked. And he was saying, oh my God, thanks, man. and then i go outside in the hall and i and i fell i slid down the wall and put my hand in my head my head in my hands i was like oh my god as i slid down like like a like like one of those things like of a like a girl when the beatles first came to uh america and they're screaming i was like oh my god there's a beat and bateman from across the thing looks at me and goes who do you think he thought you were oh my god that's amazing that's amazing it was so good and the timing of it was so good again another example of like perfect timing and just old school it was such a great burn not only did i laugh my ass off because it was so good but i was also simultaneously so jealous at how great the burn was it's such a good burn it's such
59:57Rob Lowe:there's there's an art to it though there's an art to a burn there's first of all there has to be the thing that makes me laugh is the plausible element of truth yes yeah yeah right yes well not only the plausible element of truth but the the corner the the little bit of truth that you suspect that the other person harbors within them that makes them feel insecure that's right and like you hit on that and you hit on that it's the one plausible element of truth that is the most devastating like what's the most dev i mean it's so i i asked amy to be also i asked you obviously i asked amy didn't and amy was like i can't be mean polar was like i'll do it i love you but i can't be mean i go well i don't know what you want to do then so we concocted this thing at the beginning of the roast she's amazing and by the way looks amazing she's in a in a little red devil suit have you seen her in the devil suit yet no you have to see this i got i don't think i ended up watching i gotta watch it she's in a devil suit and we do a little skip together um at the beginning but she would not go on the desk she wouldn't do it she's like amy said i will not be mean on camera there's nobody better roasting no my god than a than ap no an ap gets all all boston and shit oh dude good luck it's the best you do not want to be on the wrong side oh no no AP when she goes full on like you know Boston and then hits you with the cackle at the end
1:01:53we one time years ago we're in New York and our dog was outside barking it was late night we were walking to a deli to like you know whatever get some water probably like buying a pack of smokes or something on 4th Avenue at like 10th Street and Suki hurled, I was barking like crazy. We come out and this woman goes, your dog's barking. He goes, fuck you.
1:02:21Just immediately. And she was right. She's like, rip torn. Like ripped torn. And they like ripped dirt. Go fuck yourself. And she was right. Cause the woman was like, like, yeah, the dog was barking. Yeah, it's a dog. And like, whatever. God. And I was like, lady, don't fucking, don't come to throw,
1:02:40Rob Lowe:you know bring rocks to a gunfight you know i want to see that iteration of of because leslie nope is so beloved yeah and so nice yeah we got to do that i will say this though i i sort of say that jokingly like amy is she's not mean and she doesn't want she actually legit doesn't want to be mean there is she does have that sort of she's a very sort of um not optimistic um but she does She does have that, but she doesn't like piling on. No, she's got a lot. It's not her thing. I mean, when they famously reimagined her character and saved the show in season two, they just leaned into, as you do in comedy, you lean into what you bring to it.
1:03:29Rob Lowe:And she's not an iteration of Michael Scott. She's got that sort of can, she's very roll up your sleeves, can do. Which reads as optimism. And she loves being part of a team. Right. She loves being part of a team. And she doesn't really like hardcore ribbing. Actually, you know, one of the things, obviously, Jason and I and Sean, we love to rib each other mercilessly. Yeah, that's amazing. And Amy is the one who said to me years ago, that's your love language. And she's right. And she used to always say, like, Jason and I have always, now it's just, we just record it. That's right. but she was always like into to us she'd be like guys cool it just can't you guys are being too hard on each other really no yeah yeah yeah i saw a clip from the documentary where clearly it's whoever's producing the documentary or filming it says off camera what are you guys doing and you say this is just our love language because i think it makes it may i think it makes certain people maybe uncomfortable yeah yeah we explained that that's that's true yes we did and and it was it truly was amy who kind of gave me that insight years ago that that's what we've we've said before like to a certain degree if we're not busting on you or ripping you then we just don't give a shit yes yes like if i don't have anything invested with somebody i'll just be like not flat but like all right do you ever do you ever bust jason on his haircuts all the time do you yeah like last night he showed up for dinner and i said what is going on did you get a haircut or something knowing that he'd been talking all week we played golf then he was like talking he's like i really need to get a haircut and i was like yeah definitely keep us posted like why you keep mentioning while we're playing golf we don't give a fuck if you get a haircut keep us So then he shows up last night and he comes in and I go, did you get a haircut?
1:05:38Just knowing, just waiting for him to have a real answer. And he goes, no, actually I just shampooed it. And I go, I don't care.
1:05:46Why does it look poofy? And I'm like, man, I was just busting your, you know. It doesn't look poofy. But he does have great hair. You've got great hair too.
1:05:55Rob Lowe:Yeah. He's, you know, I eyeball him as, you know, as you know, when there's another gunslinger in the town. Yeah. sure he's he's one of the all-time great salads oh doesn't he have that salad up there it's so good and he he's aware you know i've talked about this a lot on my podcast so forgive me but he's he hasn't he claims to have not run a comb nor a brush through it uh since he was 11. um i have not run a comb or a brush through mine in decades is that true yeah decades you've got great i wanted to ask you early on what do you do what do you do how do you keep it so tight we do you're my you're my gold standard you're you're my gunslinger because bateman whatever uh he just he just looks like like a guy with an eating disorder what do you do because what's your what's your primary you know source of exercise actually here's what i actually think my secret weapon is and long before it became fashionable because what was fashionable for years was dude i i'm good five hours of sleep man i'm good to go i'm up and at him i'm in the gym you know you give me my five hours man and i'm a world beater and i was like always humiliated because i'm like i'm like really i'm like i could do like 10 and be fun and and be really happy yeah so i actually think a lot of it is sleep and um and the world's caught up to me on that a little bit um as you know i don't drink that helps um i work out like a fiend only because i love it do you really yeah like there's you must When I have days off, when I go to bed at night, I think about two things.
1:07:54Rob Lowe:And this is this. I think about the money I would have made on Grey's Anatomy. I think about that. Three things. Three things. The money I would have made on Grey's Anatomy. I think about my golf swing. Yeah. And then I think about what workout I'm going to do tomorrow. I'm not kidding. Really? Yeah. that's what i think about i'm like maybe uh oh and since we're talking about um product placement this is the theme of the episode the catalyst vest do you know about this the catalyst vest that's the thing with the shit with the electron yes yes yeah it's a suit it's like a wet wet suit kind of space suit you put on and it it shocks your muscle groups and it sounds like bs you turned me on to this bradley cooper dude i was just gonna say i've only seen one and it was at bradley's house bradley bradley turned me on to this thing i was and i was like do i even say should i say that bradley because maybe he doesn't want me to know but i'm glad you said so i saw bradley's house like a year ago yep and he's did he swore but he said he said i had to stop wearing it because i was getting too too jacked now i only wear it for when i ride a bike yeah he wears it in the peloton when he does peloton i okay so i it's a game changer game changer but but i also still lift i also do i like i play pickleball i play golf i play anything you do physically if you say to me hey tomorrow we're gonna fill in the blank i am there with bells on i think you used to do a lot of paddling right did you do a lot of kayaking back in the day stand up paddling it's it's actually it's actually surfing it's not like oh i'm gonna go through the canals it's it's standing up paddle in hand surfing waves surfing waves and then are you now are you a first thing in the morning workout guy um i here i'm i'm i am um first of all and the other thing is is since you know this is a um um an ad campaign kind of day i'm eating i'm eating the atkins way you are and and and i and i have i'm look i'm the spokesman now and have been for years but i actually have been eating that way for years and years and years uh because i woke up one one day i came out of the water in a bathing suit and my good friend the actor bill paxton god bless him uh pointed literally pointed at my stomach and started laughing and said oh god damn brother you got a gut and and from that day i realized i've got it i can't eat like i'm 18 and so i started eating napkins way so um there there's that i thought you're gonna say he said god damn look you got a gut and then like as you were on your way to buying a rope with which to hang yourself somebody called hang on a second rob You can also just not eat carbs.
1:11:01You just also not eat carbs. Oh, wait, I don't have to hang myself. So that's been, so you don't eat. You never, when was the last time?
1:11:09Rob Lowe:So you're asking me, so, so I eat Atkins way. I also happen to intermittent fast. Well, you do both. Yes. And then, so you asked me when I work out, I like to work out fasted. So I will wake up and go to the gym without having eaten. i've been looking into where i keep trying to look on the internet should i work out and then eat or should i eat and then work out and guess what they're divided on it i know they are yeah and they can't decide so i here's what can i tell you something you've been to africa i have not you should a you should go i know i should i've been multiple times going again next year i spent time with um and i and i'm drawing a blank on the name of the tribe they're amazing people and they they live for the most part as as they have for 70 000 years whatever it is um and we trekked and hiked and they found they're by the way shredded we would wish to look like these guys ripped they were walking and i don't you know don't speak the language they don't really know what's going on and they found a beehive and they go they're super psyched dances amazing singing they eat the honey the beehive they're thrilled walk another by the way there's 25 of them one will be up right then they walk and walk and walk and walk and walk hours hot hot hot turtle middle of the road sure goes oh they're celebrating the turtle i'm like honey they're not they're no they're not they're not gonna celebrate that turtle she's what do you mean i'm gonna eat it she's they are not throw the turtle on the fire alive burns to death eat the turtle meat that's it that's that's what they had to eat that day and they didn't they weren't like oh we're not walking they were like oh you know i need to eat before i walk it's like human beings don't know when they're going to have their next meal that's what's in our dna right what's in our dna is we don't know we're going to eat we don't know yeah that's it's it's a construct it's totally a construct three a day two meal one meal every two hours i think it's construct by the way i'm not speaking on behalf of atkins officially right now no i know i'm just sorry i'm trying to insta cart uh honey and turtle meat yeah just see if you get that what if you did that what if you did that you're like you get super shredded and then you're like yeah it's like brad pitt famously ate lettuce what was it on fight club pitt ate lettuce and tuna really lettuce and tuna but i love the legendary things that actors eat when like what did ed norton eat on uh where he played the neo-nazi like like you know when people when people just get so shredded and you're like and it's always just it was he it was licorice and red bull well it all comes down to it turns out they just weren't really eating it does doesn't it yeah i give bateman a lot of shit about it like we'll play golf and he'll be like uh i'm just gonna get a cup of uh sliced apples and i'm like man you're starving dude starving yeah you're not you're just you're in a bad mood because you you have no your blood sugar is through the floor do you think bateman would be pudgy if he weren't so do you do definitely definitely i think that he's still pudgy considering how little he eats i'm just i'm just saying that's a hope that he that makes it as a clip that he hears you better hope he hears that oh no no no no i by the way i think that you know we talk about food and we joke about it all the time and stuff but i think that he has everybody's got their own thing and i watched him we had dinner last night he actually ate a lot we both had burgers we had a friend's house we both had burgers yeah he had a burger and with the bun with the bun he did yeah and i had a bun as well i won't do i i try not to do that i know when was that was my last question and i know you got to wrap it up when was the last time you had bread be honest oh i i will tell you that that i tragically and sadly um had donuts last night really yeah i love donuts oh they're so good god they're so good i love sugar sugar's the the next the next battle will be fought it's going to be the iwo jima for me are you are you not are you not zero sugar you look like you are i i love sugar i'm i love i love sugar dude you and i have given up a lot in our lives it's like i go like how how many more things do i have to that i love am i gonna have to give up in my life and the answer is one about every decade and a half yeah all right this was so fun by the way we let's do our sports thing i mean i know you got i went i think you and i are meant to do something i don't know what it is let's get in the sports world why aren't we broadcasters i don't know you know we can do this and then it's not 6 a.m uh at warner brothers or radford it's uh 3 p.m at uh roland garros dude have you been there i've never been to the french okay it is the greatest sports experience i have ever had really ever first of all you pull up you like park at the curb it's the weirdest thing it's like in the middle of a neighborhood there's no like parking this is my experience of it maybe i'm hallucinating you pull up a beautiful you know like beautiful parisian women all look exactly alike sure do you know i mean they do they they do they i'm sorry but they do they look exactly like they're amazing like cats they have cat they all like the cat face and they're so beautiful and they they roll up and and you know they're always they're obsessed with the color purple polka dots and pearls sure like true true parisian girls are and they they pull up in their purple outfits and their pearls and she's your greeter it's not some shlemiel with like a laminate and you know 50 different folders and a headpiece and then that shit and they invite you you're in the stadium in 32 seconds.
1:18:24Rob Lowe:And there's millions of women that look just like this one. And they usher your seat. Rolling dress is really small, really small. Really? Every seat is great. You can't believe how small it is. And you're right there. It's the most, you know what it is? I don't know if it's the best sports thing, but it is by far the most civilized, not even close. And it sounds like the most intimate. Yeah, for sure. it's the most intimate for sure the most civilized yeah we are trying to promote the sexiest sporting event we can and it is very very relaxed and very gracious it's a gracious sport tennis is a gracious sport don't you think very very gracious and very sexy anyway but this is what we need to do we need to be talking about this and then making it happen let's get it okay i'm gonna i'm gonna put it together and then i'm gonna call you all right call me all right i love you bro this is so fun too pal uh do let me know when you're coming uh east and we'll do it yeah i will definitely okay
1:19:29Rob Lowe:that was i could i could i didn't get to any of my questions i have a whole thing here just because he's so he's just the best i mean that's why he's one of the great podcast you know voices around. And I could have done another two hours. But thank you for your patience, because that was a long one. But it was a long one for a reason, because it was fucking awesome. I will see you next week. Hey, listen, it's time to get back on the boards and give us your five-star reviews. I love those. I really do. I like to read them. I like the comments. And it's great to have your support. And tell a friend.
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