The Highs and Lows of the Golden Globes

0:04Hello and welcome to Little Gold Men, Vanity Fair's podcast for film, TV and awards lovers. I'm Rebecca Ford. And I'm John Ross. And we're a little bit tired because it's the Monday morning after the Golden Globes. And we were out late and now it's early morning. But we're going to do this because we've got a lot to talk about when it comes to the Globes. Yeah. And we can't really complain. I mean, rough life, rough life. But it was a very busy weekend. A lot of industry parties. Yeah, we had a great Vanity Fair and Amazon party that had a really great turnout. It was a packed house that was super fun on Saturday and then a busy day at the Globes.

0:46Before we start, though, John, I owe you two things. I owe you a thank you and a congrats. The thank you is because you saved my life last night at the Globes because I nearly fell down a flight of stairs. And my phone went flying and it was all very dramatic. And if you weren't there, I probably would have fallen. But when we say a flight of stairs, we mean like a full flight of stairs. Like your arms were akimbo. And other people gasped as they saw your phone go flying down the flight. One of our colleagues referred to it as a Jason Derulo moment, but it wasn't that in public, but it was scary.

1:31It was scary. I saw my life flash before my eyes. My final moments were at the Golden Globe. But yes, they survived. And then I owe you a congrats because you got a lot of your predictions right from the podcast we did last week when it comes to the winners. We'll get more into it, but I just want to put it on the record that you did really good. I guess you do belong on this podcast. Thank you. Thank you. I'm a humble person. Yeah, sure. Sure you are. Much like Timothee Chalamet in this new post-Marty Supreme release. So I won't be saying anything until later in the podcast. Well, beyond our own personal accomplishments, what did you feel like in general was the vibe of the night?

2:16I mean, the Globes are fun and they're back. And people were into it. And I think it just it does a good job of balancing silliness and oh, wait, this actually matters. I will say the podcast category, which has been talked about a lot. I went to an event Saturday morning that Sirius XM hosted at this diner Max and Helens, which is this Instagram hotspot in LA. A ton of podcasters were there and they're into this award. This award, despite everything, has some sort of love amongst the community. In the end, I think this podcasting thing is going to pick up even more than this past year. Yeah, I think the new category was a win for sure.

3:10I think giving it to Amy Poehler for the first year made it feel right for this audience. And I think it really worked. There are some other things I would say didn't work as well. But overall, it seemed like people had a good time and were pretty happy with the show. And as you say, the chaos is sort of part of the fun of that event. And we had a little bit of that, which it was fun. But I think before we dive deep into the Globes, I wanted to mention the Actor Awards, formerly known as the SAG Awards nominations, came in since our last episode. And there were quite a few big snubs, I thought.

3:48I think that was the most notable thing. Cynthia Erivo got snubbed, Dwayne Johnson, Amanda Seyfried. And then in general, international films were really left off the list, which I guess wasn't a surprise for the SAG Awards. But I think especially this year seems surprising because there are so many that have been doing really well. Yeah. The SAG Award nominations felt like a stark contrast to the Golden Globe winners from last night. And it'll be interesting to see where the Academy nets out between the two, because we know that the SAG voting body mirrors a portion of the Academy pretty closely.

4:36I mean, you know, it's the acting guild. Yeah, it's the acting branch and the acting guild. And I think that when Oscar nominations come, there's going to be more surprises because the SAG awards to me were pretty like, huh? Yeah. What did you think was like the biggest snub? I think Sentimental Value being totally blanked was really surprising. I mean, because Stellan Skarsgård, Elle Fanning, these are well-known Hollywood actors. These are not international stars that maybe the general public does not know. So that was, I think, the biggest surprise. And, you know, we saw Stellan Skarsgård win last night.

5:18Like, he's very much a contender. So that was a bit confusing to me. I mean, the joke I heard after the Actor Awards was announced is, like, actors don't know how to read subtitles, you know? because it just felt so overwhelmingly consistent that they didn't give love to any of those movies. Yeah, agreed. That's what I thought the biggest nub was too. But let's get on to our main topic today, which is the Golden Globes. We're going to be talking about the big headlines of the night, our favorite speeches, and what we think Academy voters will take away from this first big televised award show as they start voting this week.

5:53We'll also be joined by Carly Walsh, Vanity Fair's global director of social media. She's going to give us details about what was happening on the red carpet and the winner's room last night. And I think overall talk about how the Globes lives online and how these award shows live so much online. It's not just about what you're watching on the broadcast anymore. I mean, all of that social media stuff is so, so important. Mm-hmm. Well, let's start with the big headlines of the night. I think for me, it was the dominance of one battle after another. It won four awards, including Best Motion Picture Comedy.

6:36It won Director. It won Screenplay. And then Tiana Taylor won for Supporting Actress. So big night for that movie, which I think I was already viewing as a front runner. How did you feel about it, John? I mean, I thought the big headline was how much I got right. Stop it. You said you were going to be humble. I had to do it once. That's your one time. Okay. Yes, I thought that was a big headline. I actually thought Rose Byrne and Wagner Moore were maybe the two biggest headlines just because of what we talked about last week about how important those awards were to the eventual Oscar nominations.

7:19Right. Yeah, I feel like Rose Byrne's momentum has just been going up and up, but this win was really key for her. And I still think Jessie Buckley is way out in front when it comes to the Oscar win, but Rose Byrne, I think, just locked her nomination last night. You think she locked her nomination? Yeah, I felt pretty good about it already, but I think she is so beloved by the community, especially the acting community, And now that she has this from another voting group, it just feels like she's getting in. Even if people had a tough time with the movie, they love her so much. And she gave a great speech.

7:58She's so charming in a room. So I think, and there were a lot of memes about her, like reactions during the show and stuff. So I think she was all over. Like you couldn't get on social media and not see her. So I think it was a big win for her for sure. Yeah. I think now I'm a little concerned for Amanda Seyfried. and her nomination, which actually opens it up for kind of a lot of movement. I mean, we didn't expect her to really win this one, but I just think like when you don't have any, like you got to have some momentum and Rose winning is definitely that. And I do think Tiana Taylor winning Supporting Actress, the speech she gave, it's starting to feel like that's like similar to Jesse Buckley.

8:46were seeing that on Oscar night. Yeah, her beating Amy Madigan, I think, was a big, I mean, I had predicted Tiana, but I think a lot of people were surprised by that. And Tiana, like, she knocked her out of the park. She had this incredible outfit. Like, she looked great. We saw her in person. She's just, like, so stunning. I feel like everyone wanted to come up and talk to her. And then, you know, for her to win and give that really beautiful speech, she really did everything right last night. Oh, and then, I mean, listen, Timothy winning over Leo, this was the one that we were talking to some members of his team beforehand.

9:24This was the one that they were very nervous about because voting is earlier and it was before the movie came out. And, you know, it was a proven success. Him even winning this feels pretty good. And I think he is looking more and more like he's going to have a good Oscars night. except for the fact that if he wins at SAG, that would be a back-to-back win, which - Right, he won last year, yeah. He won last year. Yeah, that's tricky. It's tricky. Like, if you're a SAG voter, do you really, it's like, that's kind of a big, that's a big commitment, you know? And so that'll be interesting still to see, but this was a real important win for him.

10:10And I think he's the front runner now and best actor. Yeah. I think Sinners had a real rough night. Obviously, Michael B. Jordan lost to Wagner Mora, and then Sinners lost to Hamnet. And then an award Sinners did win, which was best score, was the only award given during a commercial break. So the acceptance speech wasn't even on air, which was a bummer. And then they also won the Box Office Achievement Award, which unfortunately, you know, is this new award that just does not exactly feel as important as the other awards. And I feel like it was nice to see Ryan Coogler get up there and give a speech, but I wish it had been for some sort of other category.

10:55The Box Office Achievement Award should be for films that aren't nominated in drama or comedy. Yeah. That's a good idea. Maybe they do it after the nominations or, you know, like they figure out what that list is after because it's a total consolation prize. I mean, that's just what it feels like. The second Sinners won that award, which we knew it was going to win because how else could it not win? It felt like, oh, well, it's not going to win drama. It was not a good night for Sinners. I think SAG will be. Yeah, they got a lot of nominations for SAG. They got a lot of nominations for SAG. It's a film that SAG voters will respond to more.

11:34But they need it. I think they really need those wins. And how are we feeling about Hamnet? I feel like it was a good win. It won Best Motion Picture drama. And, of course, Jesse Buckley won, which we expected. But Chloe Zhao did seem quite shocked with that win. And Steven Spielberg gave the exception speech. I feel like that was a pretty strong moment for the film. Yeah. I mean, I think Hamnet is in... the number two position. But I just think that one battle is like in the number one position by like a couple of yards. Right, right. It's sort of like a less interesting conversation just because one battle is so far out.

12:13Yeah, it's just so far out. I actually think Chloe gave a, she talked at the end and I thought it was very heartfelt. So many of you have became so strong and tender at the same time. And you have shared so much of yourselves in your work to the world. So I salute to your bravery, and I salute your dedication. And let's do this together. Let's keep our hearts open, and let's keep seeing each other. And let's keep allowing ourselves to be seen. Thank you. It was a good win for them, but I just don't know, like, how it'll continue the momentum. I actually do think Chloe Zhao's speech helped her with a director's nom.

13:00I know that everyone says that she's locked for director, and I would hope so. But that director's branch is one of the hardest to predict. And I think her speech was really good. I think she tied her overall aura to the feeling of the film, which we've talked about, you know, what she's done with Q &As and everything. and that was good for her. Yeah, I think so. Well, one of the picks you really deserve credit for, John, is Stellan Skarsgård, because I had picked Benicio Del Toro to win that category, and I remember a moment on the podcast where you're like, well, I think Stellan could take this, and he did, and I looked right at you after that win, because you were right.

13:45But I thought that was a great moment for him. You know, sentimental value really got surprisingly snubbed for the actor awards. So to see him win here, I thought was a really strong moment for him. Yeah. I don't really think he was like on the ropes for a nomination. I think he's, you know, a lock. But I think that this supporting actor is pretty wide open. I mean, there's Benicio, there's Stalin, there's, I still kind of think there is still Sean Penn. There's Jacob Elordi, who I think is actually maybe on the bubble for a nomination, but maybe he's getting— I do. I mean, I think he's going to clinch it because he has done a better job describing what he did as an actor for that role than Sandler has in his campaign.

14:35Even though Sandler is so charming in everything, he shies away from whatever the quote-unquote process is. But even so, like when we get those final nominations, like that's my biggest question mark in terms of the actors races. So that was exciting. And then a non-English language film going to Secret Agent over It Was Just an Accident, I think was a bit of a surprise, right? I think it was, yeah. I don't think it's going to affect Jafar Benahi's best director chances. but maybe it helps the director of Secret Agent. I don't know. I mean, you know, the Globes get a lot of people to watch the films during the most important week of voting, which is literally this week.

15:26So we'll see. Yeah, I agree. I think Panahi's still safe and director for a nomination, but the support for Secret Agent just feels so strong. And I think a lot of people who may not have watched it yet will tune in the next couple days, which is a big, big win for that film because it's a long movie and it's a subtitled movie, but I think people realize it's important to check it out now that it's had these wins. Yeah, agreed. So we're going to take a quick break and when we get back, more about last night's Globes plus Carly Walsh is going to give us the inside scoop on the red carpet. Don't go away.

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17:42Welcome back to Little Gold Men. We're joined by Vanity Fair's director of social media, Carly Walsh. Hi, Carly. Hi. Thank you guys for having me. So, Carly, you were everywhere last night. You were taking video for Vanity Fair Social in the photo pit. Your team was in the engraving room where the actors got their awards engraved. You were backstage. Talk to us about like the chaos of that red carpet and this sort of new world order that we live in where we're putting things up on social media within seconds of stars arriving. I think chaos really is the word. I was thinking about what I would open up saying today and I was torn between, wow, you didn't introduce me as your best friend, like you introduced Hilary Buses.

18:38And then my second thought was just how deafening the roar of the photographers in the pit was. Did I take two beta blockers? Yes, it was very stressful. It was a war of photographers in each pit. They were fighting for their shot, yelling at each other, yelling at the talent. Who got the biggest screams? I mean, you know, it was the heated rivalry. boys the most famous people in the world question mark exclamation point truly it feels like that i i got a video of hudson um kind of going from one area of the carpet to the next and he looks a little tired i will have to say um which is i would be too oh my god i mean john you know the night before they showed up at the vanity fair party at bar marmont and you know but i think they're just basking in it.

19:31Was it a thousand degrees in the photo pit as well? Yes. Halfway through, I think someone important must have said something because there was some ventilation happening and, you know, but everyone was suffering. I mean, everyone was trying to drink water and especially everyone in the suits and blazers. This poor man behind me had taken off his blazer and someone came around to say, please put your blazer back on because he had a white shirt underneath and we were all supposed to wear black for the photos. Yeah, at that point, everyone was just kind of dredged in sweat. Yeah. I feel like I got there towards the end of the carpet and it was so incredibly crowded on that carpet.

20:09Like you could not make your way through. And I was watching like huge stars trying to just like get through that crowd. Ariana Grande walked by when I was there and she had to have like five people around her just to make the space for her. It was just like a really chaotic carpet. When it comes to like among the nominees, was there anyone that you felt like everyone was sort of waiting to see? I think Timothy was someone people were waiting to see. Would Kylie be there with him? She wasn't walking with him on the carpet. She was inside. He was kind of running through it though. That's his new shtick.

20:45Oh yeah. He's the new Rihanna. Yeah, he's always running down and he's got those long legs. I saw him like a speed walker down that carpet. And you were also in the winner's room, which is one of my favorite places to be at award shows, because I think a lot of times they're actually kind of overwhelmed when they come back there because a lot of them are surprised they won or they waited this, you know, their whole life for this moment. And was there anything that sort of sticks out to you about being back there? Yeah, it was definitely a war room of sorts where everyone was working and waiting for the winners to come through and watching the show.

21:20And we were right in the front row, which was a great spot, allowed for some exclusive videos to go up on Twitter especially. But yeah, I captured a moment with Jesse Buckley and Paul Meskel hugging right before they went on with Chloe Zhao and all of the Hamnet cast. and it was just really sweet and genuine and, you know, off the cuff a bit. Seth Rogen mentioned that, you know, someone asked, oh, you have shot at the Golden Globes before. Are you going to be doing anything for the Golden Globe in season two? And he said that things leading up to the Golden Globes and the day of were being actively written into the show kind of as he was speaking.

22:01And just overall, I think there's like a trend in award shows now where there's the show that you're watching on television and then there's what's happening on your phone. Definitely, definitely. Especially where people are following live, places like Twitter, especially figures that Twitter really takes to, like Landria Carthen from Love Island, the guys from Hated Rivalry that everyone's obsessed with. Just leaning into those moments kind of creates this big social media moment. But more and more people are experiencing the red carpet and the shows on social. So it's exciting to be able to kind of drive that conversation and lead it in that way at a publication like Vanity Fair.

22:45Well, Carly, I'm glad you get to join us in L.A. for a few days. And thank you so much for popping by the podcast while you're out here. Thank you, guys. It was an honor to be on. Go take a nap. I know. I'll have to get on a plane soon. But thank you so much for having me in honor as my third top podcast of the year on Spotify wraps behind Good Hang. Thank you. And SmartList because I listened to Amy Poehler's episode of SmartList about 11 ,000 times. But thank you so much. So, John, what'd you think of Nikki Glaser's hosting for the second time? She totally killed. To me, it was an absolute sleigh.

23:25Like, every joke hit. The reason why I think the Globes are partially back, I mean, we think like, oh, it's just, you know, you have to open the show. But she gets the audience laughing, smiling. It sets the whole tone for the night. And I think she just did a perfect job. Some people didn't like the we come to this place for magic for the podcast thing. I thought it was pretty funny. I thought it was cute. She was making a joke about the new category that everyone had questions about. I thought she was snarky about CBS and Paramount and all of the industry chatter, but in a way that was accessible to a general audience.

24:14And her celeb jokes were all cool. You know, they were all funny. They all worked. The Leo thing I thought was perfect. Yeah. an Oscar. And the most impressive thing is that you were able to accomplish all of that before your girlfriend turned 30. I mean, it's just insane.

24:33Leo, I'm sorry I made that joke. It's cheap. You know what? I tried not to, but like, we don't know anything else about you, man. Like, there's nothing else. Like, open up. I'm serious. I looked. I searched. The most in-depth interview you've ever given was in Teen Beat magazine in 1991. Is your favorite food still pasta, pasta, and more pasta? It made it so that he couldn't scowl because she brought it back to him being so private and that she did do the research. And it was funny. So, I mean, I don't know. What did you think? It just felt like the room was just like completely on board from the moment she stepped out.

25:18Yeah, I think her opening monologue was very strong. As you're saying, she knew sort of the right people to go after in a way that was playful and that they wouldn't get offended or pissed. And I think that is so hard to do. And she was able to reference so much that is on people's minds in this industry, but in a funny way. And I think there were a couple smaller pieces that she did throughout the night that I didn't think, you know, they weren't the funniest thing that ever happened from a host. But overall, I think she did great. And I think the Leo stuff was my favorite stuff by far, though.

25:54I mean, overall, book her again next year. I mean, you're not going to get somebody who is going to put in the work that she does. You know, she had the outfit changes, the Taylor Swift song. You know, she just did it all. Yeah, I agree. Should we talk a little bit about TV? there's not a lot to say because the winners were quite similar to what we've been seeing before at the Emmys adolescents cleaned up they did real well for themselves we saw them celebrating at the Netflix party, the pit, the studio I mean I love the studio stuff because they had a whole episode about the Golden Globes and here they are winning at the Golden Globes, like it's so meta I think it's so funny And we were all at the press table I was sitting at.

26:43Everyone was kind of waiting for a Sal Saperstein shout out, but they didn't do it. I guess this was too fancy for them to do that joke. But I thought that was a really fun thing that I kind of like envisioned happening when I watched that Golden Globe episode for the first time. Because you just felt like it's just such a perfect meta thing to happen. Yeah, I mean, the TV categories are the moments where you go to the bar. I mean, there's no other way to say it. I will say Erin Doherty's speech, she won for adolescence. When she thanked therapists and she actually talked about, like, you know, the social work that they do was moving.

27:25I thought the one bummer on the TV side was Michelle Williams from My Beloved Dying for Sex actually won, but was not there to do an acceptance speech. She's won this category before for limited series, but I would have loved to see her have that moment. But I guess she's in a play, which is a reason actors don't come to award shows sometimes. Yeah. Another new winner. You know, we discussed this last week about like how the Globes get to sort of usher in new TV people. Rhea Sehorne won for Pluribus. I think she's kind of a front runner for the Emmys now. And that was a new speech, a new person on stage.

28:10And that show is just really loved by the people at large. It's doing really big numbers on Apple TV. And that was a new moment for the Globes on stage.