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Podcast Summary: Masters in Business - Targeting Pain (Sponsored Content)
Episode Overview
- Podcast Title: Masters in Business
- Episode Title: Targeting Pain
- Guests: Damian Sanchez (Damian J) - Miami-based jazz musician, Dr. Paul Negulescu - Vertex Pharmaceuticals, Dr. David Altshuler - Vertex Pharmaceuticals
- Sponsor: Vertex Pharmaceuticals
- Focus: Exploring innovative non-opioid pain treatment options through personal narratives and expert insights.
Key Takeaways
Introduction to Damian Sanchez
- Background: Jazz musician with a diverse skill set, passionate about the history of jazz.
- Accident: Suffered a severe leg injury in a scooter accident before a performance.
- Decision on Pain Management: Faced the dilemma of taking pain medication due to family history of substance abuse.
Overview of Pain
- Understanding Acute Pain:
- Described as a critical warning system for the body.
- Pain can persist beyond expected healing times, indicating a potential chronic condition.
Pain Management Challenges
- Traditional Approaches: Historical context of pain management using substances like opium, morphine, and NSAIDs.
- Limitations and Risks: Opioids can lead to addiction and other tolerability issues.
Vertex Pharmaceuticals' Innovative Approach
- Perspective on Pain: Treating pain as a standalone disease, not just a symptom.
- Research Goals:
- Targeting pain at the source through new mechanisms.
- Focus on pain-sensing neurons and the transmission signals they send to the brain.
- Scientific Insights:
- Understanding individual pain sensitivity influenced by genetics, age, and other factors.
- Exploring how pain perception is a complex process involving brain processing and individual state of mind.
Damian's Recovery Journey
- Post-Accident Experience: Faced severe pain without taking painkillers, reflecting on the trauma and challenges of recovery.
- Long-term Impact: Despite lingering effects, Damian remains committed to music.
- Mental Resilience: Emphasizes the importance of music in maintaining his joy and peace during recovery.
Conclusion The episode highlights the ongoing challenges in pain management and the innovative research being conducted by Vertex Pharmaceuticals to develop non-opioid pain treatment options. Through the personal story of Damian Sanchez, it underscores the emotional and psychological dimensions of dealing with pain and the importance of finding new solutions to enhance patient outcomes.
Call to Action
- Listeners: Encouraged to subscribe and leave feedback for continued discussions on challenging diseases and innovative solutions.
Additional Notes
- Produced By: Bloomberg Media Studios in collaboration with Vertex Pharmaceuticals.
- Privacy Information: Available at omnystudio.com/listener.
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Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Since you're a subscriber to this Bloomberg Podcast, we thought you'd be interested in a six-episode sponsored podcast called Targeting the Toughest Diseases. Produced by Vertex Pharmaceuticals and Bloomberg Media Studios, it explores the innovative tools, methods, and unique philosophy Vertex Pharmaceuticals is using to search for treatments for some of humanity's most challenging diseases. Here's a recent episode. That's Damien Sanchez, or if you are a jazz fan living in Miami, Damien Jay. Well, I play all types of music, but yes, my passion lies in the jazz genre. The history of jazz inspires me to create.
0:43I get very passionate about talking about the history of jazz from its very beginnings until today. His passion started when he was 12 years old. I saw a picture in a magazine that changed my life when I was that young. It was a picture of a young man who was holding every single woodwind because he could play them all. And so I wanted to be like that kid. Damien started with the oboe, then the flute, the alto sax, the clarinet, and even the bassoon. I also play guitar. I also play piano. And I also play various percussion instruments, mainly Latin percussion stuff, because it's part of my project to perform Latin jazz.
1:22But on a day that should have been a musical celebration, Damien's life took a terrible turn. Hi, I'm Jordan Gospore, a member of the University of Southern California's Center for Health Journalism. This is Targeting the Toughest Diseases, a podcast produced by Bloomberg Media Studios and Vertex Pharmaceuticals. In this series, we look at some of humanity's most challenging diseases and how Vertex, a Boston-based biotech company, is using innovative tools, methods, and a unique philosophy to search for treatments and cures.
2:02Today, we're looking at acute pain. You might think pain is just a sign that something else is wrong in your body. But Vertex is looking at pain as its own unique condition. They're researching it as a disease.
2:20It's December 2022. I just finished about a month of rehearsals with the symphony, a very specific symphony made up of non-profit organizations sponsoring young musicians and professional musicians here that play classical music that is of unheard of composers of color. This was the day of the inaugural performance. I wake up early that day. It was a Saturday. We're performing at the Broward Center of the Performing Arts, this wonderful hall in Fort Lauderdale, Florida. I live in Miami, so I grabbed my scooter. See, Damien doesn't like driving. He's not a guy that likes sitting still. And South Florida's traffic can be bad.
3:06So instead of a car, he uses an electric kick scooter and public transit. Getting to Fort Lauderdale means riding his scooter to the train station, taking the train up the coast, and then using the scooter again to get to the venue. I have my English horn and my oboe and my music and my backpack on my back strapped on. I had my helmet. He's also wearing a brand new tuxedo. And I remember looking to the left, and looking to the right and saying, ha, ha, ha, ha, traffic sucks. Damien was in the bike lane, going down a steep hill, when a driver, apparently attempting to get out of the gridlock, suddenly churned into the bike lane.
3:54I hit the front of her car with my scooter, which I do not let go of, which actually ends up flipping me over the front of her car. I fly into the air and I land on my ribs, which get cracked, and my foot, my right foot gets caught up in the accident. And my tibia and my fibula both are shattered in many, many places. And my leg is completely discombobulated, disjointed to the side. Damien didn't lose consciousness. In fact, he tried to stand up. And as soon as I put one ounce of pressure on that right foot, then the pain started coming in. Very, very strong, as you can imagine. I have all these broken bones in my right leg.
4:40And I'm trying to walk on it and walk it off like nothing ever happened. A crowd gathered and someone called for an ambulance. Within minutes, he was in the emergency room of a nearby hospital. The pain in his leg was unbearable. This one guy says, we're going to give you morphine and we're going to manipulate that leg until they're ready to operate because it needs to be manipulated. I said, I've never had any drugs. I don't take drugs. They said, well, you're going to want it. I said, OK. And they gave it to me through my IV and I felt like I was really drunk. And then he grabbed my foot and he put it back in place.
5:23I really did feel inebriated. I was laughing. I was joking. You know, I was being very bubbly, which I usually am anyways. But I was kind of scared. After a few hours, the drugs were off and the pain returned. It was time for a second dose. I wasn't going to take anything. I didn't want to get hooked. My family has a lineage of substance and alcohol abuse. My brother fights it and my uncles fought it. And I've always had that trauma in my brain. It's a horrible decision many patients face, choosing between pain and the risk of addiction. The doctors tried their best to persuade him. They were all about it.
6:07They were all about it. No, you sure? You sure you don't want to take nothing? What are you going to do? I'm just going to deal with it. And that's what many patients do when faced with acute pain. They just deal with it. I never took any pain medication, no matter how bad it hurt. But yeah, the first three months were hell, man. Pain isn't entirely a bad thing. It's actually an important warning system. It's our body's way of telling us something is wrong. Typically, you expect a broken limb to hurt a lot when you injure it. Gradually get better. It'll be achy for a few weeks. But as it heals, after three months, you would not expect someone to still have pain from that broken limb.
6:52Dr. Norman Buckley is the director of the Michael G. DeGroote National Pain Centre in Hamilton, Canada. There certainly are settings where people continue to report pain. Then you have to consider what's the reason for that. He says doctors have used medicine to manage pain for centuries. Opium in the 1600s, ether and chloroform in the 1800s, then morphine and even heroin in the 1900s. More recently, NSAIDs have been used. Those are non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs. And of course opioids, which can be effective, but bring tolerability concerns and carry the risk of addiction. Innovation in pain management has been slow, in part because pain is both common and complex.
7:41It affects individual people differently. Those differences might be influenced by gender, genetics, and age, as well as other factors. Pain represents exactly the kind of medical problem Vertex likes to target. There's a long history of research to build on, there's new technology available, or Vertex thinks they can develop it, there's a large unmet need and Vertex thinks it may be possible to make an impact. We've picked a set of diseases, cystic fibrosis, type 1 diabetes, sickle cell disease, also pain. That's Dr. David Altshuler. He's the chief scientific officer at Vertex Pharmaceuticals.
8:23What he's really on is a quest for something innovative. He's in search of new ways to think about old problems. The real question in our mind is, can we succeed? Can we make a difference? Pain itself can be a disease. That's Dr. Paul Negalescu. He's leading Vertex's research in this area. So while pain is a symptom of diseases, many diseases, it can also be a disease in and of itself. Vertex has been working on that puzzle for decades. There are tens of millions of people in the U.S. that get pain experiences every year, either acute or chronic pain. One thing that really interested me is why does it seem like some people are more sensitive to pain than others?
9:10It's a very subjective thing, pain. And it's actually we don't understand what makes different people sensitive or not to pain. I would say, though, that there are outliers. I mean, there are definitely some people that are way off the charts in terms of their ability to detect pain or not. Would you be able to break down for me a little bit further into what exactly is pain? It's a really good question. So pain is an unpleasant sensation. It's something that you experience. And so therefore, it is something that has been processed by your brain. And depending on your state of mind, literally, that affects your ability to sense pain.
9:53So it's a complicated process by which we perceive pain. Now, the way that we're trying to approach it, which is to kind of take it out of the brain part, because we know it starts in the periphery. In most cases, it's due to an injury or a surgery or damage to a nerve that's outside the brain. So that part of the body is sending signals to the brain. It hurts. It hurts. And then you're processing those signals, and depending on whether you're awake, asleep, distracted, you feel different levels of pain. Our goal is to try to cut it off so it never really gets to the brain. Opioids work at the level of the central nervous system.
10:36they actually suppress the inputs that are coming into the brain. So we're trying to work from the outside of the brain to reduce the pain signals into it. That's the unique aspect of Vertex's approach, to research innovative approaches based on the underlying mechanism of the disease. The way we're approaching pain is by targeting these proteins that have been identified through human genetics as playing a key role in the transmission of pain signals in the pain-sensing neurons. If you think about the pain-sensing neuron as a wire, it's transmitting a signal that says, I've got pain in one part of my body to the other part of your body.
11:20And for that signal to get transmitted, it has to be conducted along that wire to conduct that electrical signal through that sensory nerve. It's kind of like a bucket brigade. One channel opens at one end and it passes the electrical signal to the next, and that gets passed to the next one, and so on, and that's how the signal gets propagated. And so, you know, we're trying to interrupt that transmission. The work is focused on researching the mechanism of how a pain signal travels in the body, with the hope of making a difference for patients.
11:58It's been two years since Damien's accident, And other than walking with a slight limp, he's moved on with his life. He doesn't dwell on those pain-filled months after his surgery. In fact, he says he really doesn't remember most of it. You tend to block out memories that you don't want. You really do. They're painful. So I think that's why I don't remember more about that time in the hospital. What he does remember is that when the pain was so bad, it made it difficult to even stand up. He never lost his passion. I don't want to give up on music. I don't want to give up on my music. As long as I'm close to the music and keep playing music, I'm very happy.
12:40So that's what I want to know. I want to be at peace.
12:49This is Targeting the Toughest Diseases, a podcast from Bloomberg Media Studios and Vertex Pharmaceuticals. If you like what you hear, subscribe and leave us a review. I'm Jordan Gosporé. Thanks for listening.
From the publisher
Damian Sanchez, (Damian J to music fans) is a Miami-based jazz musician. A car accident landed him in the hospital with multiple fractures to his leg. Once there, he faced the difficult decision of whether or not to take the pain medication that was offered to him. With patients like Damian in mind, Dr. Paul Negulescu and the research team at Vertex are thinking differently about pain – they’re investigating potential non-opioid based treatment options that aim to target pain differently.
This episode of Targeting the Toughest Diseases is sponsored by Vertex Pharmaceuticals.
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