17: Trucks We've Known and Loved

32:27That's exactly it. That's what happened there. Just took it back to Aberdeen again. Easiest boat I've ever done. Go back on the ferret. And you get the same money for that as if you're stuck for a week waiting on a back load. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That was, I suppose, the social side of the European world. I mean, to answer your question first, we did do, not in any great quantity, some Francis, Belgium, Holland, Germany, Italy, Austria, Switzerland. I had one on Austria for quite a while, actually. And he did a few swishes over that as well. Did jib a few times. Other than that, it was Spain and Portugal.

33:03I did want to go further appeal, but I'm one of these guys that, although working for offshore was never paying great money, and neither was Curry's, you knew you were going to get paid, though. And you got comfortable working with them. You trust them, you see. And that kind of takes away their ambition to go and try something else. It's been a bit like the tankers. I could have went and done some Middle East probably with Nick Gould and people like that. But because you've got a job that's paying good money, you don't want to leave it. Especially when you're in your position with a young family and commitments and stuff like that.

33:40When you've got the security of a well-paying job with good, found to have had a good pension and other benefits like the holiday and blah, blah, blah. it is a very tough call to leave that to chase a dream that could potentially leave you without a house, essentially, or even a wife. That's right, mate. And I've got to say, well, that's us to be married this year and we'll be 43 years. So she's either a glutton for punishment or we did things kind of the right way. We did make it a habit. I've got passed the judgment. Well, you know what I like, so you probably haven't already passed that judgment.

34:18So how did you end up getting onto the tankers then, Jim? Is it just an advert or friends or something like that? My wife, believe it or not, again. What it was, was when we packed up with the mixer, there'd been, I can as well just come out with it, there'd been an accusation of stealing concrete. To be fair, it was probably the only one that couldn't steal concrete because I never knew how to batch it. But my brother had a shed, and in that shed was my F88. and a couple of other things. And it was a dirt floor on a farm. And things had changed in the concrete business that the environmental protection agencies were now charging them to dump concrete in the landfill.

34:59So all the customers were having to be charged if they sent anything back. So when you've got a customer buying millions of pounds worth of concrete a year and then getting charged 60 pounds a cube to dump it, they're not happy about that. So the result was that we were going to the BP site where a lot of our work was, mixers would be there at 10, 11 o 'clock at night, and you'd be sitting there, scarting about with joiners, making up a box to get rid of a metre of concrete, you know, around a lamppost or something like that, and the badger would need to wait in case you needed another metre to finish the job off, and it became an absolute nightmare.

35:32And I say to everybody involved, look, I've got that shed up there. Can I just take the return concrete for that? And that was welcomed to the customers, right across ReadyMix and everything, until somebody decided to tell security I was stealing it. And then security came in and then they all denied me. No, we never told them we could take it. It's like, no. You know, and we were caught between a rock and a half place. But eventually I did win my case, but my truck was out of contract and they had a field pool, a brand new fourth car that was lying there, £1 ,300 a month and there was no work.

36:06And my little Leyland was already voting paid for. still looked like a one or two year old truck even though it was seven year old and I says nah it's finished I'm not doing it yeah so we packed it up there and then and I did have to go on the door for a few months there in between but I went into the door and I said to him right I need a job blah blah blah this is much money to eat this is 300 pound a week 15 grand a year that's what it was like oh we don't have any jobs like that here I went right okay so my wife happened to pick up the local paper came out every Friday says there's an advert in there for Shell so I had a look at it and I went that's no for Shell that's an agency and then I read it better and I thought oh no that's a recruitment agency looking to recruit for Shell it's no an agency as such so I applied for it and apparently there was 2 ,000 people applied for the nine jobs and the rate was rubbish it was 8 ,000 less than the men that were already there.

37:07When a lot of them found it, because you were going to hotels and sitting doing silly little tests like you used to get in a colouring book at school, where you'd follow the line of the head of the snake and see what snake had head and what tail and all that. You think it's silly, but actually it shows you how to check your hoses are connected at the right end, both ends. So they weren't as stupid as it seemed. Anyway, a lot of drivers didn't like that. when they found out the radius and just up sticks and left. Because they were getting as much as that, maybe with Duncan Adams and working with, you know, a few nights out of a week and stuff like that, which a lot of them liked a few nights a week away.

37:42So it ended up, as a chance we have it, I got doomed for the last 21. We got a driving test. And I turned up for the driving test and we brought a driver trainer up from England. We were holding 43.50 in the tandem axle tank as a double drive holding on super singles, with this bank on it. And he says to me, have you ridden the Twin Splitter before? I went, no. I says, but I've read about it in magazines. I says, what do you think? He says, well, I'll not be judging you on the gearbox anyway. He says, you've been on an Arctic. I went, a while ago. I said, I've been on a rigid for the last four years.

38:18Right, he says, tell me when you're ready and I'll start judging you. So I fired it up and I drove it out the gate. I says, right, you can start now. He says, how's that? I said, well, I never thought the gate. So I've obviously no of the trailers there. Like, you'll be fine. so away we go and we're going up it must be one in eight one in nine something like that a hill called the Avon Gorge and bang jumps out of gear going up the Avon Gorge so I quickly managed to grab a gear and it was the right gear and it kept going nice and smoothly and he says to me no seen a recovery like that before he says and you've never driven a twin splitter I went no but I kept counting threes and fours I said so you know it's not that hard and he says, that's why I'm not marking you on the gearbox, it's jumping out of gear.

39:02As it happened, the whole fleet would jump out of that gear like that. So I was lucky to have it. Out of the 16, I got the job. And out of that, sorry, 21 for the driving test, we were quite all doing the 9th, got the job. And that was it. So within a year, I'd started some other new guys and I was given one of them as a trainee. I had him for five weeks, still a very good friend of mine now. So, yeah, I just kind of took it like duct of water. I had my incidents, of course, but I'll not go into them. But I did 15 and a bit years on the Shell job. We started with Shell originally, and then they say that they cut the rate to keep us in-house as a job for life.

39:45And four and a half years later, we were working for P &O. Now, none of the oil companies work on less than a five-year plan. so they knew when they started us exactly it was never a job for life it was always going to be contracted out yeah so contracted to P &O to be fair P &O were okay really no bad at all then Wincanton bought P &O out different story no very good and Wincanton just dumped the contract because P &O apparently had won the contract and then went back in even cheaper after they'd won it just to get some more blue chip customers there because what happened was they sold the company to Dubai Forge.

40:27Right. They sold the transport site to Wincanton and then the rest went to Dubai Forge. So Wincanton dropped a little hot potato and Sucklands took it over. I was off. I had a thing and I was off long term sack for a while when Sucklands took it over. And to be fair, the local management and everything at Sucklands worked very well for a while. And then sat. have a bit of disagreement. So I took redundancy. And for this time, I'm importing American cars as a hobby kind of thing. So a mate of mine and I were doing that. Realised it would be standing on its own as a business. And then the mate that I had actually trained on the Shell job, he phones me up one day and he says, Turner, loose tankers are looking for a driver.

41:10I went, I'm not really, you know, I'm in dirty working clothes. I'm in the workshop here. So away he goes. The next time the phone goes, they tell me you're not wanting to come for an interview, because you've got dirty clothes on. I says, well, yeah. And the woman says, we had a driver came in here, she's in a shirt and tie. She says, we just laughed him in the office because he's worked for us before and he should have known better. Just come round here, she says. So I went round and I was met with this big guy bursting out the door with two drivers. And he says to me, I'll not say the words, but we're less useless idiots.

41:43Don't know how to start a BMW. Who are you? I says, I'm Jim Barnes. Right, in. So he comes back and I says, look, starting a BMW as part of the job I'm not so sure I know how to do it either unless it's got a key he says he says it's no got a key I'll show you he says anyway he says so you're John Horne I went aye he says can you start tomorrow I went is that my interview he went aye not a bad interview aye I says actually I can't how not I said I've no got a licence what the fuck can you be in room here then he says I says do you phone for me to come round I says I'm all I am I said my licence is in Swansea I'm 15 years old it's a way to get renewed right okay he says go to the refineries get your inductions done he says and that was it that was when we started with tankers we took the loose tankers casual it was only casual feeling you know a bit of relief when they're busy and stuff like that and 15 years later I'm still here so did they get bought out by turners because you were well for turners weren't you that's right mate yeah turners took over loose tankers and I think Barry Lewis did to work with turners as well.

42:50I think he's actually left now, remember they retired now. But yeah, and to be honest with you, Matt, see the stress of being on the shelf, because the wages did creep up, obviously. But I found, I used to like doing petrol stations, or so I thought. Turned out it was then that they were giving me stress, because while I was off with my illness, I was the safety rep, and they asked me to do route risk assessments on every job in Scotland. So I wrote the book on, you know, like a new driver could go in and take this laminated sheet out of a book. It would tell them the route to go or a route to go.

43:26It would tell them whether they had to phone in advance, whether it was a licensee controlled, a driver and a company deliverer or a driver controlled delivery. And it would tell you where you needed to lay your cons out to keep your safety area, you know, under the health and safety and the patrolling regulations and all that. and they could tell them exactly everything they needed to know whether they need to phone anybody in advance whatever you know so I wrote a book and it turned out that I started following out with people on sites customers moving my cones to get to the airline locking me in when I'm trying to get out it turned out I was one of the few that were actually putting the cones out and I couldn't have noted it because I wrote the book exactly yeah so there was a bit of there was a lot of stress involved there because you know you were getting you're getting mixed things for your what the company was starting to say you can't do that you can't do that and I've always been one of them well I just get my work done and they say no you can't do that and when you then turn and say right well I'm not doing that the manager then turns and says you just did that to spite me no I did it because you told me that I've not allowed to do that anymore so it had come too much for me, Matt.

44:38So when redundancy came up, I decided to take it. And as I say, the lowest thing ever since. Totally different management style. I mean, absolutely different. And the fact that we've had a few managers in Scotland since. One of them came back twice. But other than one of the ladies we had in there, the rest have all been drivers. They knew the tankers inside out. So they knew what they were talking about. They knew the routes, they knew what they were giving you today and they knew the problems that could arise. So there was never a problem. Brilliant company. People slated them down south, I noticed that one, some of the drivers forums, I cannae say anything bad about them.

45:18And the job that I was doing, I ended up just doing a shunting job. I just, I loved it because it was only running from storage in Grangemouth Docks to the Grangemouth Refinery, four trips per shift, delivering ethanol. You know the ethanol goes in the petrol at 10 % these days you retent and I was just moving that stuff moving the stock and I just kept an eye on the stock at either side so that the refinery would never run out but the tanks would always be empty at storage for the next boat coming in to replenish them and I kind of just kind of ran it myself quite a lot and the company left me to do it and the drivers didn't like it because there's six hours a day standing outside the truck and whatever weather you've got you know and there a lot of driving but it suited me as I say to the manager that says look I says, if you piss me off enough, I can always just leave it and walk home.

46:07I says, no more than an hour from home. And to my recent manager, who's a good friend, I says, and by the way, you're trying to go and get it because you've only got a class too. Unfortunately, he's just moved on just as the job I've had has just finished up. And Johnny's just moved on to another company now as well. So when the job finished up, as a casual driver, I've never had anything under the Tupi regulations. but termers had said that I'd done such a good job further and I'm not blowing my trumpet there this is what they said they actually tried to get me a job to the people that were taking it over and when I went for the interview for that job other people had had to jump through hoops for an interview I just walked in to get told right when do you watch that more or less it wasn't even an interview and I said to them look come thanks for it but I'm not wanting it I says I I don't want to go back there.

47:0263 nearly. I don't want to go back to 4 on, 4 off, 3 a.m. starts. And I wasn't guaranteed to be on the job I had been on. So I could be able to find up to like 100 different deliveries throughout Scotland again during the next few years. So I thank them very much for the offer. And I've offered them any help if they need any assistance on the job I was doing because it does have its problems. They can just phone me and I'll help them out with it. Any of their drivers will help them out with it, you know. so now I'm just doing things like for gleaner oils or that maybe pick up a load of diesel take it up to Elgin to the local depot up there and then drop it off still casual I know casual jobs don't suit everybody but it suited me because you know when I'm doing my American cars if somebody was coming to see a car I could just say I'm not available, I don't need to book holidays I just make myself unavailable yeah it's not yeah as long as I'm not dropping them in it you know which I'll never do I'll never ever do that it's been too good for me and as you can see behind me I've got that Vatican Mac sitting behind me so when we go to the shows with that you know that's Friday Saturday Sunday Monday it can be even longer because I usually stop at Nick Bowles on the way down and on the way back up so that's speaking of headaches that's just a fan so so just going very well with him and his family and all their circle of friends as well and if I was on that new job I wouldn't be able to do that.

48:30I don't have a big social life, but that's part of it. And family coming for dinners twice a week is another part of it. If I took the zone back shift, I would miss that as well. Yeah, absolutely. I'm just excited to see where I am. Fair enough. So what is the story with the Turbo Star then? Because for people who haven't seen it, how did it come about?

48:53Basically, I don't know. I just heard this stupid talk one day. I woke up one morning and I thought, I'm going to collect the trucks that I used to have when there was a small fallout. So I found an F88 in Greece. So I said, I'll have that. So I bought that. I found a Bunnety T-Cab 141 in Poland, which I never had, but I liked it. I thought, I'll have that as well. So I bought that. You know, I was selling all the American cars, so I had a bit of float to play with. So I bought them, imported them. the Scania was needing too much work so I put it up for sale and I feel a local guy bought that he's got a series 1, 2 and 3 T-carb now and I thought Turbo Staff lovely a Turbo Staff now I knew I was never going to get a right hand drive 6 wheeler Alan Carruthers that's going to be difficult yeah Alan Carruthers had one doing near Dumfries but he was not really wanting to sell it at the time that I was wanting to buy it he's now sold it but it was a 480 the one I had back in 1988 was a 360 and as a show truck I'd rather be able to afford to put the diesel in to go to retro rather than you know it's an 800 mile round trip to retro so I'd rather do that 9 mile to the gallon and 6 mile to the gallon you know so I just kept an eye on the internet and then in Italy up came this turbo start and I'm looking at it and I thought wow that's tidy now okay it's nothing like the one I had it's got the 360 in it but the steering wheel is on the other side and it's got the fuller 15 speed.

50:22Mine had the ZF knock across on it and it's got a four-wheeler. Mine was a six-wheeler. But I thought, wow, look at the condition of that. 215 ,000 kilometres on the clock. Really? Yep, 1987, 215 ,000 kilometres. So this was the Samuel Auto Carry down in the way down south past T's, a long way down Italy. I can't remember exactly where it was. And I thought, well, I'll have that. so I messaged him this season if anything to come off the price of that he went not a chance I went aye okay I'll send you the money so it was a really good value for money so another friend of mine Ed Thurvey Ed runs about for Sean O 'Brien OB trucks run about all the deliverment picking up trucks so he got it collected for me came back in we got that one in I think that came into their yard in England and Nick Stephens brought it up for me and I had to unwrap half the plastic over the inside of the car and the top bunk.

51:24It had never been used. The driver's seat's got a little bit of wear on it but after that no, hardly ever been used. Oh, you can't turn something like that away just to try and hang on for a potential right-hand drive-six wheeler which are going to be rare, aren't they? There's not many of them about. No, they're rushing away when they're forced to drop me. So I can still put a tag on the back of that and everybody keeps saying don't do it, don't do it, but it'll happen at some point. Next time I sell an American car, it's happening. Fair enough. And also we should say that one of your actual original trucks is still about on the preservation circuit as well, isn't it?

52:02Five of them, I think. Five? Yeah. Two that I used that were actually in use was Acuborder. Now, I sold that to a guy in Carnoustie. I restored it to Primer rebuilt the cab, restored it to the Primer stage sold it to the guy in Cairnhouse he sold it several times, it ended up with David Donalds doing an Adlingborough who also directly from me bought a Leyland Marathon that I had later on, so he had two of my trucks there, he's going to restore the Marathon, the Acquis now ended up back in Cairnwaffe, a guy called Robbie Watt has it now, who's on the restoration circuit with various trucks that's being rebuilt so that's when they go and of course everybody knows the guy big j that richard stanley of us uh the sweeper cab the 180 again strange vehicle uh no register till 1985 uh built in 1978 so it's on a b reg very low miles when i bought it we got it painted as well so i think it left me in 1992 and richard's had it ever since it's still in the same color so it's set you know it's black and instead of having the tappan band, he just painted the tappan into red, because obviously he's no Scottish, so I've still got my tappan curtains in it though so Richard has that, and then of course I've met Richard a few times since then Facebook's been a wonderful thing for finding old friends, it's cost me a bloody lot of money in trucks and stuff like that, otherwise I probably would never have bothered with again, you know but I kept a lot of stuff back, so that truck's on the go.

53:37And then of course the other ones that you've maybe seen, the ERF, that's the Chapel Cross Flyer, that green big crew cab ERF KV, British Nuclear Fuels. I bought that to restore and never got round to it, but that's on the circuit now. My Bedford RL, I bought a Bedford RL with 1 ,111 miles on the clock. We just ran it locally up here with it, but that's still on the go. And what was the other one? I can't remember there was another one maybe just that the marathon's going to go back on the road but I never really yased that for work you know that was just something else oh my ERF forgetting about my ERF ECX that I bought when we were moving yards with the cars I got it with a low loader so I could move all my stuff about so it was yased locally just Brandon Jinks has that now and it's absolutely minted it's a metallic sort of burgundy candy apple red colour yeah you know what I mean we actually used that to build the shed that I'm sitting in now it was such a thing to try and build it's one of the air raid

54:48aircraft hangar type and we actually built the truck with a fence on the top of our curtain side the exact height of the garage so as we could make up the arches on the floor, stand on this pull them up with a rope and pile on the top of the truck to keep it secure until we actually had enough of them standing that the garage wouldn't blow away because the garage was all done at nights and weekends with friends, you know. May help and safety involve, obviously. But yeah, so we used it for that as well. So Brandon's got that now. So I've now also got a 112 that, when it gets painted, will be dedicated to Andrew, the fellow who lost his life in my 112.

55:27That's a hard purchase to go and revisit that again. but I felt it had to be done at the end of the day. It's part of the history. I like it. I loathe it. You know, put Andrew's name on it. Andrew's being remembered on it. Absolutely. So I bought that open, that grew a good price, and then another mate of mine brought it up the road for us. So I was waiting just to come into the workshop now to start getting welded up because the cab's in a bit of a mess. We'll get there. It'll not be a concourse restoration. It will be a work-in-clothes, work-in-truck type restoration. Yeah. as well as the F88 because if they're going on low loaders it's to save diesel, it's not to be a show creed none of mine will show it in fact that F88, the cab's quite rough on that and I could just throw some black paint at it now and it would look exactly like the one I had back in 1988

56:18I mean that F88 was so reliable but the two times it did look me down we were in actually three times but we were in Barcelona and I met with me and we walked back to it to find this water leak and he says, oh, that's leaking water. So we took the cab up and the compressor head had went for us. There was a little jet of water coming out of it and he went, oh my God, that needs a compressor. And I says, ah, well. So we've got a blanket, a rubber grommet, one of the blanket grommets you'd blank a hole off with. Yeah, yeah. And the indentation, they just filled it up with an instant gasket and then cable tied it around the compressor head.

56:55And he says to me, you think that'll get us home? And I says, well, it'll be a try. I said, the worst thing that's going to happen is the cable ties will break and we'll maybe need to do it again. I was still there seven years later when I sold it. And then we were driving, my uncle was on it and I'm on the Turbo Star and we got near Bordeaux. Well, we're actually like Clodds and I said, I can smell hub oil out of that. I shouldn't have a hub oil seal with the way. So we went into Volvo at Bordeaux the next morning, bought a hub oil seal, into customs that I run, knew I would be there three hours.

57:29So I did the hub oil seal while we were waiting on customs. So away we went for this inland oil well in the middle of nowhere in Spain. Very scenic. I've got a lot of pictures of the narrow, twisty road. It just looks like some of the roads the guys doing through Turkey used to experience, in the summer at least. And I was photographing them coming through our village when they come back. I can smell that deer oil again. I do have made an arse of putting that oil seal. So I jumped underneath it. here was a hole on the side of the diff about four inches F88 has a double reduction diff you know it has the pinion then a crown wheel then another one behind it and the middle one had thrown the bairn right out and I thought that's no going anywhere now we just left it where it was sitting at a wee petrol station at the side of the road in the middle of nowhere say to the guy keep an eye and that'll be back in a week so we double manned the turbo star down to Valencia a loaded tiles tipped at Glasgow up to the local breakers got a diff for the 88 back to Scunthorpe put an 88 car me on the diff got the load out tipped it over to where the truck was diff out diff in back to Valencia I loaded the two of them home again job done no issues just like that it was bloody cold there was 10 inches of snow when we're taking the diff it's not sunny it's no sunny in the north no definitely not so sure enough that was the only other time it let me down so yeah cracking old motor and that's why as I say I bought another FAA and it's a 240 the same or a 260 as the foreign ones were, left hand drive, tag axle although the one I've got has got an airlift cab on it, that's the style without the roof vent, no air stack and the air wipers that are at the top of the screen so I'd like to actually if I could have, I would have sold that bought a later one so it was more like the one at HUD but you know as I said Matt you're not going to worry about details when you're just trying to recreate something for a long time ago.

59:27Yeah, but it's just for a bit of fun, really, isn't it? When you're not a big budget, massive, big haulage contractor, you're just doing the work yourself for starters. You're doing it on a shoestring. Pretty much how my haulage game went, right from start to finish. On a shoestring. A wing and a prayer. Fair enough. So where should we see you this year then, Jim? Obviously the retro show. Have you got any others sort of planned? No really, we've got some family health issues this year. I'm supposed to be in London right now and maybe going to a surprise party for somebody when I was down there.

1:00:04I might still make that. I'll need to phone my mate Nick Bull and see if he's still going. If he is, I'll probably go. We just have a family member that's in the last few days. Sorry to hear that. Yeah, so we're happy to work around the book that. Therefore, we're not doing the London thing. So, Mick Bull has his, a lot of people know about losing his daughter at 12-year-old with cancer. And he organised a sort of music festival last year. And, you know, people just turned up in their trucks and slept in his yard and went to the little music festival. This year, the music festival's in his yard.

1:00:39So, he'll be down there. That's in August. All the proceeds go to the Sheffield Children's Hospital there, where they looked after young Daisy. She's there on the cup there. That's a thing we're there. so she we did that and we'll do retro and last year we also had a show it was at one of Pat Collins Funfair's events with the monster trucks and they asked us to do a little or they asked Nick to do a little show and we had about 50 trucks there Ian Rogers they put a lot of trucks into it you know and if we're having that this year we'll be doing that as well but this is the good thing about having a friend like Nick in Retford I'll take the truck to the first one and leave it there and I'll get the train up and down to his and the truck doesn't need to keep coming back and forward to Scotland, that extra sort of 600-mile round trip doesn't need to happen.

1:01:26It saves a lot of diesel. Because in Humminay this year, we got the yard broken into, and all the diesel were taken out of the trucks. So, of course, you only put enough in to leave it lying in the yard. And then since what's happened, the war in the Middle East has set the prices soaring and it's now something like£1 ,100 to pull the tank on that Iveco. Yeah. so you know if that guy hadn't stole the diesel the truck would have been filled up before the war started but he just made me lose any confidence in leaving diesel in the trucks in the yard you know yeah I'm not surprised nah it wasn't a good thing and between that and then losing my wee dog on the 6th of January it's not been a good year so far Matt so I'm looking forward to the few shows we are going today we're good friends I mean you've seen what happens at a retro you know yourself If you're lucky, you get an hour to walk around the trucks.

1:02:17The rest is time. It's just part of time, isn't it? Yeah, pretty much, yeah. You've seen it. We have a massive cookout. We'll have a bath. Anybody's welcome. Yeah, that's how it goes. We shall imbibe in a couple of beverages, no doubt, won't we? Yeah, I would imagine so, mate. I've always got a couple of big fridges going there hooked up to big truck batteries, and they're always full, and there's always reserves to go in them as well. you know that's the most important thing as an aside one of my managers for Turmers actually goes to them as well with a Scania with his son and we have a we have a drink there as well like you know oh excellent and he's actually up here but now he's my temporary manager well we're looking for a new manager so he's normally the training manager but Turmers is a bit to be with the old trucks as well I mean Tim King you've seen his F88 go about there well Tim's the three engineer with Turmers yeah I was going to say I met him once only very briefly I'd do a little bit of trade play for DAF so we used to deliver all the Turner's brand new trucks into Soham so he was there because that's in his little 88's 86's in Griggs colours isn't it it is that's right and the 88 I can't remember whose colours but that 88 used to belong to John Williams it used to run the Middle East it was in that Astran in the destination Doha film John Williams yeah yeah well that truck that F88 tape with John Williams' truck.

1:03:45So that's got a lot of history as well. And then due to my sort of relationship with Turners, whenever we're finished with all trucks up here, I buy the tractor units. Fair enough. I make sure I drive it so I know what it's like and then I can make an honest appraisal when I'm going to sell it. I do it with Turners via Tim. We buy the truck, I clean them up and sell them on. Fair enough. It's just another thing. And, you know, the relationship with Turners has been so good. Yeah, excellent. Well, I think I've taken up enough of your time, Jim, because you've got stuff to be getting on with. I'm just going to do something.

1:04:20I'm not really wanting to try and rig up the air horns on this Ibico. Fair enough. That means drilling another two holes in the roof. Hey, there's nothing like it. Nothing like it. You get that wrong, you're back there. Absolutely, mate. Well, it's been great to chat to you, Jim. And if I don't speak to you before, which I'm sure I will, especially as Pop Masters on daily yes yes average I'm beating you on that you know on average oh yes yes I'm well aware of that thank you but then again we've got to trust each other we're no cheating that's true well you've seen you've seen my scores I'm pretty sure you know I'm not cheating yeah well I'm no either of mine but the problem with that Pop Master though is probably the two as they cheat slightly if the contestant's too quick with their answer yes they're blubbing it out well you're you know putting it out there you have to think to yourself was I going to get that as quick as that or was he said it as quick as that even though on reflection you knew the answer would I get it as quick as that so I do claim the ones if I thought I was going to get it and the guy weren't going to do it too quick as long as I go out within the time I just wish I could block out their answers so that it would make it a bit easier but a bit more up front but there you go there we go so I've not I'll see you at retro then yes mate yes you'll see me at the retro and you've not written any of your books so I've not got anything for you to devalue with your signature so no I don't know if I've signed your Kepstow 1 have I oh no of course I could bring that I'll bring that down I'll devalue that mate yeah I'll devalue that not a problem at all lovely job well thanks ever so much Jim all the best to you Matt we'll speak to you soon cheers mate bye bye bye bye bye bye bye bye Thank you.