30: Keeping The Show On The Road: Part Two

0:02Hello and welcome back to Mat's Trucking Great Podcast. Mat Ireland host of once again. Just before we start part two of my chat with my good friend Steve Elsey, just a quick word once again to say thank you very much to all of our regular sponsors and all of the people who've donated via Patreon and buymeacoffee.com. It's all really greatly appreciated. So anyway, with no further ado, let's get back to Steve and I think we're going to pick up talking about some of the bands that he's been on the road with they used to come across bands that you know like I said you wouldn't actually listen to but Big Country they were good live right I did a great tour of them one of the drivers was unfortunately dead and I had teeth and at the end of the tour Christmas we got called in to see the head on tour on Big Country and oh god what have we done now thanks very much and he said no you've been keeping us entertained I'm watching you and he said we just had pay some bets and what were you going to do next well you weren't there half the time otherwise you'd have found out but it's a laugh I mean you also get unbelievable crap like MC Hammer I just finished the tour because they had a rented truck on MC Hammer so as soon as I finished one job they sent me up join MC Hammer and Barney said I've got you a spotlight and obviously the only night I did the spotlight I was in hysterics I was in personal story it's yeah we've tiny little hammers going off along the front of the stage they come to the village I'm in the files I called the spotlight I was there's some bird that he travels down by his knees and oh god sorry I mean that's too poor Yeah.

1:57And what I'm wondering is when he ran out of money, he got sued by, he had these groups, all they did was swallowing around with ghetto blasters on their shoulders. And they sued him when he was skinned from money. They didn't do anything. They just swallowing around and getting caught. Flipping heck. I mean, speaking of spotlights, I think my favourite story has got to be Saxon. Can you just recall that story? I thought I'd better want to let me get Saxon me and the me and Keith who was a wild card at the best of time you brought out the best and worst in me yeah we were in Lincoln a place called Lincoln Ritz many funny things happened with Saxon the first the first one was at Treston Guildhall when the blue could put up they wanted explosions and everything the drummer I think had the bombs going up but the young lad they got the third man of lighting he put the whatever the wrong way up so the first thing he did was burnt holes in Crescent Guildhall floor the modern sat him up he set fire we were unaware the guitar player had a week he took a burst of one and so he knocked up a stage beat in his head and rolled some way through a towel the other guitar player had seen these he topped and he had a buckle on the back of the guitar like the c-cull of the buckles so they can string the guitar around and the guitar would come around and clunk his hand and what you don't do is nod your head while this happens because otherwise the guitar will come around and fells you fell by his guitar there's one on fire and I put back in life I haven't been laid low by a fender and the same thing happens Keith and I look at each other anyway Lincoln Ritz and And it was pouring down around her side.

3:56And the first thing happened, about five rows back, there was an immaculately beautiful-looking woman in us, everything. And Maestro was obviously her date, who looked like an escape, a poorly-dressed gorilla sort of thing. And he's like, you know, typical Saxon fan, like knuckle-drager. And this woman's looking at him, and I've never seen the look of disgust on anybody's face. this is their first date and he takes them to a Saxon show. Anyway, me and Keith were up in the lights, in the truss, you know. Yeah. And the mouth of every number ended with the dander closions. And Keith, again, spot three, and the LD is going, shut up, spot three.

4:40No, I'm going, I'll shut up. What, too? Yes, Keith? Are you afraid I'm getting blown up? I went, I'm afraid I'm. Well, every time it just comes out of the roof and we get a rat drop I've had enough of this survey. Spot two and three, out of the game, click, click. And we climbed down the ladders, passed the drummers halfway through there. Classic. Ten and four, seven, go on nine and nine. And he sees two booths pointed down out of the room. And we went off to the pub. Did I get caught? And the book actually said to me, that the old Diddy, who's apparently worked up with somebody called Farnham, I told him, you'll regret this for the rest of your life.

5:22I said, what is that? He said, when we get to Europe, you'll miss out on the bit. Mate, a wet night in Britain, this is the peak of the tour, Father. But, I mean, we did get, we got the first gig in Zurich, the vault house, and they try to wake us up during the show because they've got local speaking spotlights, and you imagine the chaos going on. But the other story, if you don't mind me telling it, No. We did, Dave Cole was there. We did Huilu and Gladius, just the big bridge in the Asian side of the bridge in Istanbul. Right. It was a charity thing for the war-torn children of Chechnya. Yeah.

6:03They had a gunboat, it was right beside the river, and they had a gunboat behind the stage, and everybody had paid like$30 ,000 for a place at a table. Yeah. And Huilu was very dismissive anyway. they got the wife of Czech, the president of Czech who came around and started doing this speech in Czech, you know, so they had an interpreter another Michael, everything he said but she went on and on and on and in the end this someone kind of shoggy she was the wife of some arms dealer who had set it all up she'd come out and she explained the woman, you know, 20 minutes is enough people are dying of boredom and because the woman mulls her out of her injection and the person translated goes take your hands off me I'll have you killed don't you know I am we're lost to completing my spotlight won't happen yet and she's going oh you killed oh your whole family killed turn her mic off who's mic off got instantly translating and all this abuse was getting thrown out

7:18I had to handle her off the stage with her curse of infection and that was just so bizarre that was Istanbul three days off Alicante three or four days like a day's standard or totally illegal yeah

7:47the Greeks wouldn't let us in right you go to that border it's like if you're going to the Tras or Ignomitsa you're meant to go down that little turn on the sea and clear there they might be clear and we didn't have time so what I had done was taken all the transit factors out the car names that only had import in them right in the end the book said alright but you must go the cuss of the English yeah he wrote Transa on top of the white Vagic you like keep screw them on it wouldn't make a difference once you're stamped on the in-ball voucher yeah and away with it and of course left there for all the blues backing but you know I mean that is like I said the funny side of it there we were and basically only just in Asia I know by that a mile but listen to this Tetchin' woman and I heard your boost in English.

8:43There's a very expensive audience. And Julio, basically, I don't know what I'm doing here. I have more money. He said, I've got more money to put together. Why am I here?

8:57Did you get to Turkey a lot, or was it not really? Did the Stones there, which was a mistake. That was the last gig of the tour. But they'd been given a hoot amount of money for a TV show. Right. so they moved all the people there was hardly it was Galataterai's old stadium and the volume of hell yeah and they'd moved everybody put the camera angle so you couldn't see the stadium was empty apart from all these people they crammed down the front right and they'd been given so much money so much money the cell had to go on right but that was that was that was that was marwin palmer's last job because we had one of the Euro Truck shots stuck around the back streets.

9:42We had to get hydraulic jacks and push the trailer across the road using the kerb so we could get the car over. And all the while, my production range has gone, I went truck 49. Martin, I remember that and said, I have enough of this. And that's the time we've done it. Do you remember your book called Rod Wilson? Was he before your time? He was before my time, but I think he's gone back now. as well I think so he everybody else had been backing in because the stuff had to get craned out of the stadium yeah you know rocked down and we were looting in the car park and everybody was doing it nicely three point turn Rod decided to pull a Huey his trailer went backwards hit the security man breeze block hut which he demolished and he was sitting next to nothing breeze blocks and dust looking very dazed and I was Crikey?

10:39Yeah, Crikey. You've seen the Midnight Express. Oh, someone Crikey. Crikey, well, they're soft. It was a black line. It was a black line. I was moving around, so I'd clear off. Yeah. This poor Turk security bloke going, literally bits of grease blocks sitting out of his teeth. But that was a gig too far. That was... Yeah. I don't think I actually went being brutally honest I don't think yeah well with Julio there obviously the the the the the yeah from Bulgaria yeah the mud hole of the charge when they I mean the organizational ability of a dead sleuth yes I mean they will take the hindpost sort of thing because I'm fairly placid about things, which is to annoy people.

11:40I remember the Russian saying, you'll be here a week. I mean, great. Got food. And I get paid by the day. Yeah. You know, I won't get paid.

11:53But thanks to our friend Andre, I mean, a lot of that problem went away in the later years. Yeah, yeah. Well, can you remember your first ever trip to Russia then? Yeah. vaguely yeah we did the Moscow Music Peace Festival yeah which was the bar calling itself and when I I thought oh yeah I had a bit of a yank I just remember that and he tried to tell me that's another one I said I've done Russia you've done Russia you've landed in a in a big plane at an airport you're picked up I need to speak and drive your tank you're a luxury of hell and then came to the venue, then back to the hotel, and back, you've done Rutgers, sounds like you've been to Cleveland and you've done America, you know.

12:40Yeah. That's cool. But, yeah, and then when we did the Dan Mosk, and then I thought, well, Dan Mosk, it was a similar thing, but because a lot of play don't do it, a lot of cities were closed when they opened up later on. The first time I went there, of course, it was still the Soviet Union. Right. So Belarus wasn't a separate country then. Yeah. And then bugger me, I was six weeks there. I was back there, I guess. In six weeks, they'd sort of like devalued the ruble or something. I just remember this poor sod in Minsk, his old security guard. He wanted a five Deutsche Mark to park in a mud hole.

13:24Yeah. And then I got a bar for Bob there instead. and then he he took this wig and notes at rubles out of his pocket and he just threw them in the air and watched them blow away yeah because they'd devoured them by about 100 % you know about 100 times yeah so our savings had gone from being like 10 ,000 to 100 quid yeah flipping heck poor side few yeah I suppose Minsk at the time because it's still the Soviet Union Belarus wasn't didn't exist no no I mean that was and And the next time, they did a stone attack once or twice. Once, I think. I can't remember. But, I mean, it's just being sensible.

14:07I mean, if you're going to – and people I thought were sensible, I mean, not that sensible. I mean, if you're going to pay something dodgy for being nicked, you don't call the whole roll of notes out of your pocket, do you? No, definitely not. And this can't fit. but I I'm mad to get the money back off the production but the first time I went there you've been a rusher a lot I know but before they improved the roads there used to be a tank on Plinns which was the closest Germans got to Moscow yeah yeah and we steam went into there and we get nicked and we dropped money at the border you know 20 times the official rate yeah I walk up the front and they've got that big book and then I'd point in towards you've committed a protocol you've committed an offence and the blue guys I said don't he wants 30p I said and another thing I said have a good look at his speed camera look at his handheld speed camera it was a bloody hair dryer with a new panel glued on the back that was supposed to be some illegal number.

15:25I mean, I think he might have had Molyneux in bushing on the side of it. And I'm going to get one. Oh, what's going to be like now? Oh, we've got to sit on time, you know. Oh, that's a big problem. That'll be 40p. Yeah. And don't give in easily. You know, I have a haggle but sell up offering a narins and a packet of fags. Yeah. I've learned about the fact that there was more on what the actual fine is. Absolutely, yeah.

15:58I was going to say, did you actually enjoy going there? Yeah, I love it. I mean, once you get away from the men in uniform and talk to real people, I've found, wherever I've been, the poorer the people are, the more helpful and kinder they are. Absolutely, yeah, I've always found that as well. I mean, anybody who wants to be in the uniform, you've got to be a bit wary of. Yeah. The first time I went into Russia, you can tell who the, or not the KGB, the follow-up to KGB, I can't remember their name. You can tell who he was at the border. The local guard has been dressed like he's having pulse sacks, badly hitting pulse sacks, you know.

16:38And there's no point in giving him any money or any bags. Then you see a bloke who's got like his suit has been designed, you know, by an Italian designer. Yeah. He's got a relaxed copy watcher and everything. Yeah. And I was up the truck and said, do you have a gift for me, Mr.? What sort of gift would you like, sir? Mm-hmm. Vodka, cigarettes, Malraux. And they didn't want kind of, they want American dollars and doge marks. Yeah. Periphering Bums. So he always had a small ball denomination. Like I said, that's all denominated notes in one pocket. and then neither back up if it got serious. Right.

17:20It did once. Getting out of Ukraine, the public weren't going to do our paperwork. You couldn't send us back to where we entered the Ukraine, which meant we wouldn't have got to the venue in time. Right. I didn't. I just wouldn't go away. I stood there. He looked at me. I looked at him, and I got one. I got like fives and tens, dollars in one pocket, bigger ones than the other one. he got up to about$300 and then he cracked I could see the glint and out came the stamp yeah once he got the$300 he stamped everything he'd get his hands on yeah the problem mysteriously went away when we did take the Turner in Estonia we got to the border 20 odd trucks we were going to Poland and we had this gang of security men who looked like extras from Mad Max.

18:16Right. We were going around. Anyway, we go into the custom and they go, no, everybody out. You, because I'm the one, head driver, you come and leave. So we go into his office with this big pile of carnage. And he said, I stand with you on papers, but first we drink. I've got his bottle of vodka. Oh no. Neat. And I sat there and I must have drunk half a bottle of vodka with him. So I got a puzzle. and we ended up, every fourth or fifth truck had a bloke in the pattern seat with an AK-47. Yeah. And I had old Renault left-hand drive, Renault Magnum. Yes. I got that into it and I got that into it and I said, I'm pointing the barrel the other way as opposed to me.

19:01I breathed over him because he's locked in the pattern seat with somebody who'd had a drink.

19:12I mean, let's be off then. I have to say, those books, a couple of very big Mercedes cars, they'd overtake us and they'd block every intersection off. Right. Yeah, they were all rescued and black with their guns and they blocked all the way from the Estonian border down to the Polish border. So I did often quite find that customs would struggle because we ran on ATA Carnes because they don't see them very often they would struggle and we even had, I can't remember what tour it was on but coming out of Ukraine into Poland the Poles were far worse and they ended up googling how to fill out an ATA Carnes even though we were trying to help them and tell them they just didn't believe us The very day we got to the village board and that's when the troubles start I mean they were the most awkward people at that time And years before, I'd had trouble getting into Hungary because some old boy who'd been around in the 56th when there was a Hungarian uprising and the West promised to come and help Hungary.

20:15Yeah. But back up and threatened them and the boat wouldn't do him a favor. I said, no, you wait till the morning. Yeah. He said, I worked for you. Yeah. And my friend said, you wait for me. Yeah. He just wouldn't do anything. Yeah. It didn't matter. But I mean, he's got a long memory. And if people live through things, life or death things, I mean, they didn't very often get a tar to get some retrobooting in. But they certainly did then. Yeah. This episode of Matt's Trucking Great Podcast is kindly sponsored by Trans Am Trucking. Based in Suffolk, Trans Am are Europe's leading entertainment relocation specialists, and they're always on the lookout for new drivers.

21:01Although left-hand drive and European experience is preferred, it's not essential. What is essential is that you're good at telling a story, getting on with people and having a laugh. The job will take you the length and breadth of Europe and sometimes even beyond. For more information and to get your CV in, please head to www.transamtrucking.com. So when was the last time you drove a truck? God, it was a lifetime ago. Yeah. December the 18th, 2000. Wow. So 26 years ago, I sat around the yard and I did an illegal drive without a license just to see what all the fuss was about. I've had the new lorries once.

21:43Yeah. Like I said, I'm completely unimpressed. But at last, I got probably the best lorry I ever had, comfort-wise. I'm not talking about power-wise. I had a full trial and it all really backed into it. at the Hallenstadion because he was about to move so I'd probably be careful because I got these big blue lights outside yeah but if you you're going to hit it with a trailer oh thanks because then immediately it's retribution you reverse into front of my brand new lorry and I laughed as I was in Barcelona and God right everybody I'm fed up mother hen you get a little to clear off you know yeah and so I oh joy of joy I was on my own and I woke up north of Leon somewhere barred the thing up and twelve thirteen hundred rags was all that it gave me and something you know just for Christmas or I'm loaded I got the thing home I got to London got tipped got back to the yard Dave I think once phoned up Boulders and they said they'd come and recovered us I just threw them back from Leon I'm losing and they wouldn't come and they wouldn't drive to practice and I'd throw away and make money and apparently when Paul had just glanced at the front of my truck he'd actually put that off the hinges at the front by about three inches and was short ECU or something like that but I mean that truck was annoying because I had a brand new Magnum before that and talk about chalk and cheese yeah but engine wise it's very reliable but I mean the air conditioning worked for a week at most and I was forever standing on screws and I could never find out where they came from why didn't the can collapse because I'd get up in a nice spare room a nice you know good park you'd get up on your bare feet oh where the hell did that come from I couldn't live the time where they came from I kept a box along me how many more can fall out I thought, I want to get one morning, I'm surrounded by pusty.

24:02Cat paddles. Yeah. The first, I got that brand new Volvo, and I went and picked a trailer up, a brand new trailer from North Norfolk somewhere. And I was only halfway there, I suddenly realised, this truck, my unit rides better than the Magnum did with the trailer on. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. It's different. It's different to selling, and the gear changes better, because it doesn't matter on the gearbox, it's the linkage. It's like I've driven a house with old trash gearboxes on, and they're fine because you've got a very direct linkage. Yeah. And you get in an arseco, and there's about 14 joints.

24:40Yeah. And, you know, you just start stirring soup. Yeah. Yeah. They've always been a well-built truck, haven't they, Volvo? And they just, you know, there's not been much variation in the layout up until like the latest sort of generation and just a good, solid, reliable truck. I mean, everything that we're accommodated, you know, to meet the regulations, isn't it? I mean, it's lane assist and things, you know, and it's bloody dangerous, some of them. It's bloody, you know, the braking thing. I mean, if it's probably the brakes gently, but if it senses a warning, it's all or nothing, I believe.

25:20Yeah, it is. And I quite often have it in the truck I drive at the moment. Because as you all know, Oakley and Suffolk, where I'm talking about, as you come through there, there's just a gentle curve and there's a car often parked on the pavement there. Well, as I'm approaching it, my automatic braking picks it up and it will start to try and put my brakes on. So I have to sort of get over in the middle of the road to avoid it. Yeah. Well, funny enough, when I broke down the car, the car blew up, come back to England months or so back, I'd call very kindly Sandy Lentley her new issues at Subaru out like what it was and the weird thing same thing with the steering if I think you're not doing something right it like takes over the steering a bit really you're not like this yeah I'm not sure you must not turn off but it's somebody else's car I'd only got it for a few days yeah I'm going to start messing around I mean the same now I just bought an old an old Mercedes it's 2008 Mercedes but uh diesel but i mean because so many switches i know for a fact when that car if i keep that car 10 years which i tend to keep things as long as they last absolutely i'll still don't know what half the thing's doing it i mean always complication to me i pressed the wrong button and oh god knows i did this the other day i went into this carry house and they came out and the boot was open because when I got out I pressed the wrong key and it was a boot release rather than locking the car so I didn't park my street with a boot loop for a few hours I heard oh man oh dear so when you when you came off the road you went and worked in the yard didn't you first is that right I did stories which is doing work doing something else well so I do that's when I like doing it yeah and I knew it happened you know the inside out about the magic because Because I had a heart attack in 94.

27:23I got my license back. But they only gave me license for five years. Right. And then got to 2000. And then I got to tag it off again. I appealed. And I went to see the crown. He said, well, you would have passed by the old regs. But the new regs, you can't. Right. You can't. Which is, I mean, I'm still here. and that's what 26 years ago and so Fran Sam said well we need somebody to oversee the workshop and that involved paperwork and stuff which is not my fault I must admit but I didn't like I did that for probably six, seven years I must admit that wasn't my but as I said before or the, I may have been the worst mechanic in Suffolk, but I knew how to do things.

28:21I was just inept at doing them. Yeah. But I didn't mean I'd done them. And this is a true story. I don't know if you remember. Do you remember Terry Nash? Nash, yeah. He had that X. They had a left-hand drive F812 with every good you know and a man. Yeah. That was Martin Mitchell's originally, I think. and that was they had pretty much everything that Volvo had as a thing on and that was a lovely motor we didn't have a brand new engine anyway that ended up down in Saudi I think anyway but it went in Terry rang up from the Albert Hall and he did Gills Holland all the time and he says the truck and I said well I'm ticked so take the unit down and he drove a commercial so he did and I got a phone call from that right afternoon that'd been down there all day and they said we can't find a problem with it and I said Terry they said no Terry I'll do 50 and I'm leaving there you know middle at 2 o 'clock in the morning from London because Terry's old school I'll get her back to the yard don't worry and there's been in Heathrow commercials somebody we've been working on for eight hours and I come in and there's the unit and I was thinking I got into it to move it and I couldn't be able to do this and it ran for a little bit fine and then boomed up Heathrow commercial I said he worked on your lorry who is it?

30:00blah blah blah I said he worked on it and I said what do you mind now I said well sag him but I fixed it It'd be five minutes. Yeah. You said, well, you can't have done them. Well, you called me a liar as well, aren't you? And then it had a stack on it. And all that happened is a stack had collapsed in the middle. Right. So you've got a 12-liter, 420-liter oil for a engine. But can't exhaust gas can't get out? Yeah. Well, they put it under the cab, and all the exhaust manifold gaskets were blown out. Right. That was it. And we ended up in the pit as a pipe off. got a gas burner in there nothing's through put new gaskets on the mannob that sounded great until we got new stacks down the road got a wrecker yeah lovely I mean you know what you can do with your bill mate yeah I know you you probably don't look at a thousand quid eight hours in London prices oh yeah definitely yeah but I don't know your experiences with DAP but DAP breakdown people were always reasonably good as far as I've confirmed yeah yeah whenever I had an issue they were always pretty quick and on it I remember one of the Darren rang up from Moscow probably with them X-Roy nearly these little oh the flat roof FH's yeah I bought them some sadist when I bought them put trans I mean I mean I mean I was three months in a flat roof buddy you know anyway and I think that Darren talked to the Volvo and Volvo said well try and get they'll fix it if you can get the truck in I said well if I could the truck would move I would not have to have it fixed would I I mean it wouldn't start and they wouldn't go over and anyway and that was on one phone and then the mobile rang and Darren and I spoke to the boat and I said I'll tell you what I said you're going to be your Volvo salesman because what I said, okay, not the bother of course.

32:08What do you mean? I said, Daph had just been out and fixed the Volvo. And they find we don't have a problem. Well, you can cancel the breakdown, not that you did anything about it. And you can tell them that they can open the quilt for those trucks up his arse. It's worthless. You know, I mean, if you can't get the backup, I tell them if they can get the truck to the workshop, they'll fix it when the thing won't go. I mean, it's very stupid. Well, it is, yeah. It's not a lot of good, is it? No, I was in there for seven years of creating havoc. Somebody more sensitively said, we've got to keep an eye on him.

32:48We need to take him for the offer so we keep an eye on him. Preferring him doing things in the afternoon he can be doing. So I was promoted, so to speak, in the office, and I can't. I mean, trans ammo good to me. I mean, you always say, you know, it's good and bad about everything, but I hated being in an office because I'm getting on with people as my corte, and I've gone really well with production manager, managing crews. Yeah. And at least in the yards, you're still seeing all the drivers coming in and going out and a bit of variety. That's my opinion. We should never have a separate yard from the office.

33:34Yeah. You're remote from what you're actually doing. You know what I mean? They're just somebody else's problem. And then you never, you know, you could work there and never see a truck if you work in York. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, quite easily. I mean, now they've got obviously the better place now they've got over at I. But trying to do it, well, the world's moved on, let's face it. I mean, it's all about daily checks and filling a book every day to say you made sure the lights worked and everything else. Yeah. Yeah, very true. Your ability to fill in a logbook as the cop was walking up the side of the train.

34:15I thought I'd have a little shaky. Well, I didn't turn the edges off before I filled it in, mate. And your only fear then was the silent check. They'd take you, you know, your red number somewhere and said, hang on, you were in your car. You were meant to be in Cardiff. You were in back in Edinburgh. I've also allowed that. Yeah. And a bunch of the two brothers, I won't mention their name. I used to work for them. My, I used to, I used to put log hooks in for it at the weekend to lose the mileage because there's no way I have to lose the mileage. Yeah. And everybody, everybody did it. Yeah. I mean, there wasn't the traffic, the volume of traffic area today.

34:56There wasn't the speed. Well, it's the same speed restriction, but nobody, trucks went and sent them on speed. Yeah. I just used to work for that Birdseye Unispeed Yeah I mean I met one of the Airbugs one day Smiling I said what's the matter Because he said the Union They're not allowed to route us Any other speed Than 30 miles an hour Average And he said I'll go empty from Liverpool To Newcastle He said And he had one of the Marathons The food marathon Yeah Yeah, yeah, not... Transcon, transcons, yeah. I've just made a lot of money because I'll make such a high average speed on that journey. It won't work for a week, but I hope...

35:48Well-changed. Yeah, everybody thinks they're the best. You know, when they did a certain job, it was the best time. And I'm not sure of many things, but I know it was a damn sorry better than it is now. Yeah, if you go up in 10, yeah, here, I knew it would take him two miles, and every so while there would be an accident, or somebody would crack, you know, somebody would have been driven mad. I was seeing this back of the same trailer for, like, 100 miles. Absolutely. They're in, like, two kilometres slower than he can do. Yeah. And he tracks and gets nabbed. Yeah. That's horrendous accidents, because they all run so close together.

36:29Yeah. I think you just zone out because you're sat there behind somebody. You can't get around them. You just switch off. And the annoying thing is, like I said, if his speed limit is set like 8km or 2km slower than yours, you know, and then, of course, what weight has he got? How big is he? It's all sort of imponderable, isn't it? Yeah. And you live in a bizarre world where trucks pull in containers people who sell have got 700 horsepower and they need half that. Yeah. And I don't understand why you need a 700 horsepower to pull a box out for you to sell a bill. I mean, it just seems pointless to me.