31: Scrubbing Up Nicely

0:02Hello and welcome to Matt's Trucking Great Podcast. This evening it's just myself with Alex Broadley. The two of us have got the time off, the other two boys are still hard at it, so we're just going to have a bit of a natter and see where we're at. So good evening Alex, how are you doing? Alright Matt, yeah I'm doing alright, thank you. How are you tonight? Yeah I'm alright mate, I'm a bit tired for someone who does not so many hours, I'm a bit tired, but I'll power through for the people, you know, I'm committed to the cause. Yeah, that's it, yeah. We'll do our best to keep everybody going. Yeah, exactly, mate, exactly.

0:33So how's work been? Have you been anywhere nice? I started, it's a bit different last year. I tend to work Sundays if I can, and this Sunday I had a late delivery. I'll tell you where it was. It was Tops Tiles down at Leicester at 10 o 'clock at night. Oh, right. So I thought, all right, bloody hell. So I thought, well, that's not bad because I start at like 5 o 'clock. Yeah. And I'm still got all day Sunday, haven't I, you know, at home. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. So I'd end up getting tipped there about half past midnight or something like that. And I thought, right, this is something I want to say. Because I was loading out of Chewksbury Monday morning, well, Monday when I woke up.

1:09And I went down to Gilda's truck stop, do you know? Yeah, yeah. Brilliant place. It is, yeah, really good. So I parked up in there at quarter past two in the morning. But, you know, do you know what? Amazingly, it was quite full as well. I struggled to get a space. Oh, right. But half six in the morning, I could hear this bloke belly laughing. ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Yeah. Ha, ha, ha. What the bloody hell is he laughing at? Half past six on a Monday morning. Who laughs like that at half six on a Monday morning? Well, clearly this bloke. Yeah, clearly this bloke right inside my bloody truck. Do you know what I mean?

1:39I'm trying to sleep. And I'm like, ha, ha, ha. All right. So anyway, you know, before I had to get up and say, oi, you, pack it in. Stop being so happy. I fell back asleep anyway. So at the end of that, like. So, yeah, I've had an easy couple of days, really. Today I went, I stayed at Emmanham Truck Stop last night. They said to me, they said, you've got a delivery at Great Bear at Harworth, just down at Boncaster. I said, all right, what time's that? 11 o 'clock. We can't get in there before 11, you know, quarter to 11. So I didn't start this morning until nine o 'clock. Lovely. And then I went down there, got there for 11, and I was on the bay at four and a half, five hours.

2:20Do you know, waiting to get bit? Yeah. And I tipped that. loaded Sheffield then in turn and just back to Lehmann's I'm in Lehmann's now parked up for the night yeah so fairly steady old day then oh yeah easy yeah I've parked up at six o 'clock tonight yeah so it's not too bad yeah fair enough so you had a bit of it you were involved in a bit of an incident recently as well though weren't you which you want to talk about but yeah I do want to talk about this for one reason mainly the other week I'm not going to go into the details of where it was or what happened and things just because, you know, basically I was the first on the scene of a fatal accident.

3:01Yeah. And I started off in the morning, came out of the truck stop, the service is where I was parked, up the road. Next thing you know, there's a lorry and he's got himself in a predicament and I was like, the road was blocked. So I went walking up to see what was going on. So it's the guy, you all right, mate? Yeah. When I got past his truck, it was totally destroyed on the other side. so I says yeah you okay mate yeah yeah I'm fine I'm fine so I says oh what's up with the car like he says ah he says he's trapped in there he can't get out so I went up to see if I could help him you know I've done a bit of first aid training like we all have you know I mean just to yeah do anything I can to help really yeah but this guy was in a in a really bad way yeah there was obviously nothing I could do to help him yeah so you know I went to see the driver the loirier I said to him, are you okay, mate?

3:49He went, yeah, yeah, I'm fine. Yeah, I'm okay. I said, no, seriously, are you okay? He went, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I'm all right. I'm all right. I said, no, mate, this is not a joke, mate. Seriously, are you okay? He went, listen, he said, I'm fine now. It's probably going to hit me later, like, you know? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. So I said, right, okay then. So with that, there were still cars trying to squeeze around. Do you know what I mean? And get past it. Yeah, people don't care, do they? No, they don't. They don't. So me and another lorry, we stopped the cars. and like we said look you've got to turn around it's been an accident mate you can't get through so they all started turning around and with that you could hear the sirens coming and stuff you know yeah so you know i'm a big believer just don't get in the way with emergency services they're far more qualified they know what they're doing if they want to speak to me they know where i am right so um i left them to it and then tragically the guy passed away in his car while or trying to get him out.

4:44Yeah. So it transpires that the car driver was at fault. Right. I'm not going to say what he'd done or anything like that, but it was his fault. Yeah. But it got me thinking, all right? Now, this is serious, and it did get me thinking, did this. Mobile phones, right? Now, the lorry driver has done nothing wrong. As far as I'm aware, he's done nothing wrong. He's travelling down this road, minding his own business. his car's done what he's done and he's copped it like, you know? So I used to listen to talk radio on a morning, right? But I like Mike Graham. He's a bit right wing and, you know, I like listening to him, Mike Graham.

5:24He got the sack and he's now doing his own breakfast show on YouTube. Right, okay. So I play his breakfast show. He's on for three hours, seven mile ten. And I play his breakfast show on my phone. Yeah. but it's a video content you know it's live do you know i mean it's live yeah so i'm thinking to myself because i play it through my radio on the bluetooth and i listen to it like a radio station yeah i thought i wonder how i would be in that situation of that other lawyer driver if i'd had an accident and i was playing mike graham show through my phone they get hold of be phones obviously they're going to take your phone off yeah yeah am i going to get nicked for driving on due care and attention all this because i've got this on my phone even though i'm playing it through my speakers yeah yeah and this is what i want to say to people look just be aware a bit you know so stopped i saw dvla uh child services stopped and i put this to him i said right mate this is what's happened this is what i do he says right he says i understand what you're doing and he says it's not an issue, but that phone has got to be put away in a cupboard.

6:33It's got to be in a locker, in a bag, in a cupboard. Because if you get stopped and that phone's playing, even though you're listening to it on the radio, he says you're going to get nicked. He says you are going to get nicked. And in the event of an accident like that, he says what you've described to me, you're going to be well in the shit. Do you know what I mean? He says you are going to be... looking at in a lot of trouble because essentially they're going to think you're watching a video even if you're not watching it yeah no no exactly so it's it's filmed live and another thing is i listen to is we are the overlap football podcast gary neville roy keen and that you know right but that's a video as well but i listened to it through the radio yeah i mean as like a podcast yeah so he did say to me he says and like so that lawyer driver could have had that on his phone right listen to it like a podcast listen to it through his radio and now because he's had that fatal accident he's going to be in a load of trouble in he you know i mean potentially yeah yeah and i do not want any other drivers going through that just purely by mistake if you're watching the phone and watch he says we have survivors we've stopped them watching videos stuff like that on their phones on laptops they're in a lot of trouble right yeah but he says you've got to remember as well in the event of an accident he says you could be incapacitated You could be unconscious in an accident.

7:53There could be people killed, right? And your phone's come out of the locker because the lorry's pretty much destroyed and it's landed face up. You're still going to be in trouble. You're going to be in trouble for that. Yeah, yeah. Although we listen to stuff like that and it plays on videos, we can pull it on, play it through the stereo as Bluetooth. We've got to be aware anything playing on our phone is classed as watching a video. Yeah. Do you know what I mean? And I don't want other drivers getting in trouble. So, yeah, any video, even if you're not watching it, it's still considered you're watching a video rather than – like this podcast is just purely audio.

8:32There's nothing you can watch, so you can listen to this legally through your Bluetooth. Yeah, you can do, yeah. But there's loads of stuff you can listen to on YouTube, loads of stuff you can listen to, like a radio station, stuff like that. But if it's playing like a live video, you've got to have that away. somewhere you know just turn your phone onto the black screen shove it in a drawer something like that but be aware in the event of an accident if you draw bus open all your stuff flies everywhere bearing in mind your phone's gonna fly out and all right you're gonna you got your yard potentially i mean you could be looking at a stretch in prison yeah it's as simple as that you know you could be looking at a stretch yeah so so basically just don't listen to any videos as such Be very careful where your phone is Yeah Realistically no one's going to be putting Their phone in a bag in a cupboard Because obviously when that runs out you're going to want to change To something else, it's alright if you've got Cardplay or something like that but if not You've got to stop and faff about So yeah I drive a next gen Scania, I've got a next gen And I've got a couple of drawers here I pull it in the drawer, that's what I do simply Now to be honest it's in the drawer When it's finished I can just change the radio station back onto radio or whatever anyway without actually touching the phone yeah yeah you know it's on for three hours on the morning anyway and normally i'm at a delivery by that point i just then i turn it off and go back to radio and stuff you know radio but just that driver he just made me aware thinking that he could have that on his phone just listening to it yeah now he's been involved in a fatal accident which yeah you know somebody's lost their life he's going to be investigated fully.

10:12Oh, absolutely. He's going to take their phone off him and if he's got it on his phone, they're going to chuck the book at the poor bloke and he's done nothing wrong. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, it's well worth bearing in mind, isn't it? Yeah, it is. It's a worry, isn't it? Do you know? It is a worry, isn't it? Yeah. Especially as, again, he's the innocent party as such. He's not done anything wrong and he's just getting on with his day thinking that he's doing right because he's just listened to it. He's not watching it, but... by the letter of the law because it's video. Yeah. Put your phone in a drawer out of the way.

10:46Just be aware. If you are going to listen to something on YouTube and that, your phone's got to be well away because if anything does happen, God forbid, and nobody expects it to happen. No, that's it. That's exactly it. Nobody expects it to happen. Nobody goes out driving and has an accident on purpose. You need to be well aware. They will go through your phone. They will do a drug and alcohol test on you. they will check any CCTV you know like you've got to be whiter than white you've got to be make sure you've you've ticked every box you know you're okay yeah yeah well at the end of the day we're professional drivers on the road and the car drivers as we've seen generally aren't are they so you know we've got to be held to a higher standard again purely because the size of the vehicles we drive so yeah but you know I'm preaching to the converted here aren't I so but yeah that's it's well worth like I say people bearing in mind it's obviously made you think about it so So if it makes one other person think about what they're, or how they're listening to stuff as they go, it's a worthwhile message, isn't it?

11:48Yeah, it is, because to be honest, we all do it nowadays, don't we? There's loads of stuff you can listen to, you know? Yeah. Football podcasts, football, cricket, rugby, whatever you want to listen to, interviews, stuff like that. You can just play it on your phone through your speaker and it's a good listen light, you know? Yeah, exactly. I mean, crikey, when I started, it was cassette tapes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's it, yeah, yeah. It's just a tape, that's it, yeah. And obviously, because of the size of them, having to take a limited amount with you in the cab and, yeah, choosing what you're going to take for the week.

12:20Me and a good mate of mine, we used to make each other mixtapes of our various different songs that we liked and swapped them just for a bit of variety. It was brilliant. Do you know what, right? That'd be a wicked idea, wouldn't it, right? You do a mixtape for him, right, and he does a mixtape for you and you've got to listen to the whole tape. Yeah, so you see all the time, it was great you know yeah yeah right this week matt i'm doing your type right okay fair enough let's see what we get yeah i suppose you could you could do it in a modern way couldn't you with making a playlist for people on because i have youtube music so you can make plays on there so i don't know whether you could share that you must be able to figure out a way to perhaps we could we could set something up on the podcast do a do a match trucking great podcast playlist if people maybe submit their favourite tracks and we'll make a...

13:08Do you know what, mate? There's one person, right, we both know, right, and I ain't having a playlist off him. No way. Carl Norfolk. No way. Oh, I would, 100%. Would you? Oh, yeah, great. Some great punk music there, yeah. Oh, no, I'm not listening to any of Carl's music. It'll make me ears bleed. Yeah, well, I'm more concerned about some of the people who like some modern country. Oh, yeah, that's it as well, yeah. See, I'm still stuck in the 90s with me rave music, stick me hand in the air, me whistle posse and stuff. Oh, mate, so am I. Oh, I love it. Yeah, I was listening to a podcast today with Rob Tussero and that, you know, it was brilliant, really good.

13:43Yeah, fantastic. Yeah, I think I'm going to look into that and perhaps we'll create a Match Truck and Gret podcast playlist and see if we can put it out there on something like YouTube music for listeners to listen to and see who likes what. How does that sound for an idea? Do you know what would be wicked if we could do it, right, is we could get loads of people to sign up to this thing, right? Yeah. And then every now and again, every day or every once a week, we have to send somebody a random playlist and they've got to listen to it. Yeah. Just see what you get back. Like our mate Droppy off the CB app, he might send you something and you say, I ain't listening to his again.

14:20No way. Carl Goodly says, yeah, I ain't listening to his again either. He could keep that one. I look forward to hearing from Carl when he hears this and see what he says. don't be laughing I'll be thinking yeah I know what it means yeah I'll do it absolutely yeah I'm gonna I'm gonna look into that as an idea and see see what we can do I think that could be that could be good fun yeah it could yeah absolutely yeah so speaking of fun what we're gonna mainly talk about this evening is a topic funny enough it's suggested to by a good friend of mine Neil who actually created the ident for this podcast he works for GoFetch where I do a bit of work and when I mention this to Alex he was all over it like a rash because him and his good mate talk about it all the time, apparently.

15:05So we're just going to have a bit of a chat about some of the best liveries that are on the roads. Yeah. And probably not the worst ones, but some of the best ones. And just see where it takes us. So I'll let you... Give me some of your favourite examples then, Alex. All right. Right. The Scottish hauliers. Yeah. Scotland Transport. Scotland. Absolutely mega. Love Scotland. Yeah. Yeah. Give us a week. yeah oh stevens and wick yeah brilliant yeah classic living not not really changed over the years a great deal has it and it's just no because you don't need to no i'll always remember speak to stevens we as when i was a teenager we went on holiday to around the top of scotland and whatnot and we and we and we ended up in wick and my dad actually incredibly for for him actually took some time to let us decide what we want to do so we went and found i don't know whether it's stevens yard or their workshops or something but it was something to do with stevens of wick in wick and they have they actually had a white one four three top line streamline oh yeah so rather than it being like the the maroony color it was white but still with all the pinstripe and it looked fantastic so i'd love to know gordon miller listens to this and he's from up around that way and i'm sure he drives or has driven for them so he might he might know the story about that so so even though it wasn't the actual like maroon color it was white with all this it still looked bloody and i took a photo of it because i was an anorak and i still am but yeah steams a wick scott lee that there when i was leaving kelsell this year they were loading up some of their classic trucks onto their their low loader and they just look that they've got an it's an f10 or an f12 and i can't remember which one it is and it just looks absolutely stunning in that blue it's just That blue colour is just beautiful, isn't it?

16:52That light blue colour. Oh, yeah. And it's just, it's not over the top. It's just simple. And, yeah, it looks absolutely brilliant. I always said to me, mate, right? I always said to him, I says, and, you know, I'm an anorak like you, mate. I love my trucks, right? And I always say about when you're on the dock in Calais, right, and you watch the boat come in and you watch all the trucks come off and there's always a couple that will catch you. I think, oh, that's a nice truck, don't you? Oh, that's not. Yeah, so the white ones, white ones, white ones. And then you'll see one that's painted off, painted, coming off.

17:24And when I worked at Yardley's, before they changed it all, well, that trucking B-Wire was just coming in, and now they're white trucks with stickers on and stuff like that. But the old livery with the red and the white and the yellow wheels and it being the Brian Yardley Continental on the side of the trailer used to look really good. I really liked that, you know. Yeah, yeah. But I always think about, you know, you're sat on a dock in Calais, you're watching the trucks come off, and there's always one or two, and you think, wow, that's really nice. Just watch it come down the ramp and you think, wow, that's a lovely truck.

17:52Oh, yeah. And at the end of the day, it's a 50-foot advertising board for your business, isn't it? And dear old Bob Cart would always say to me, I would never understand why people run about with a plane trailer when you can – it's a moving billboard. Advertise your business. Get it out there. Yeah, yeah. Because Trans UK, he was told when he designed his livery, so for people who don't know Trans UK from back in the 70s, their livery, it was black roof, then it was Massey Ferguson grey with a white stripe and a red chassis, and he was always told by people, you can't have your darkest colour at the top, it has to be at the bottom.

18:31And so he's just like, no, I don't, I can have a black roof. And so he did it the other way around, and it stands out. And I think, personally, I think it looks great, another great livery that's instantly recognisable because it's topsy-turvy, essentially. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, it's just... Nowadays, when everybody's come away... Longs the Leeds, when I worked there, when I first passed my test and that, you know, in the late 90s and stuff, you know, the blue and the red, the white donut trims on and stuff, it was a nice livery, you know what I mean? You used to see them coming, that was the Longs the Leeds truck.

19:02Do you know what I mean? There's a Scotley truck there, isn't there? There's PC Hamilton, there's, you know, SNT. You know you see them coming, don't you? And you recognise them. Yeah, that's it. You know, like the only other fleet you recognise and that's his DHL because it's bright yellow. Yeah, yeah. But it works, doesn't it? Because as soon as you say, that's a DHL. And I remember years and years ago as well, I was going somewhere with my older brother. I think it was going to the children's convoy, and it was early on a Sunday morning, and we could see, I can't remember which bit of road we were on, but in the distance I could see a green truck.

19:32And I just said to him, that's Mason Brothers. Yeah, yeah. And as it got closer, there it goes. And he's like, how on earth do you know that? That green, just tell them on off, that was Mason's. And they've stuck with the green. I don't know if it's probably stickered on now. Trying all that wrapped on. Yeah, I think so. Ian Moxton hopefully listens to this. He'll be able to confirm it or not. But they've stuck with it. It's changed. I think because it is a wrap, they've changed it ever so slightly. But it's still that striking green and red. And yeah, I think that looks nice as well. It's like when I used to work for Divanies as well.

20:10European TW Giovanni and Lee they had a lovely set up with the blue and the red and all that you know the writing on the side it was all done by hand was the writing and that obviously later on it all got done by stickers and stuff yeah but again it was just he went down the route of just white trucks but his trucks look brilliant you know some of the photos I've got they're fantastically you know coloured another one Ian Rogers Ian Rogers he's stuck by his livery isn't he for the years yeah it looks great you can spot one coming a mile away can't you Yeah, especially if you're going up through France.

20:41There's one, there's another, yeah. Yeah, exactly, the 826, yeah. Yeah, and it's nice they've kept the Kent Vale livery as well. Yeah, exactly. Do you know, these companies, and I can see why they do it, because obviously it's resale, B-sale, isn't it, you know? Yeah. Because, you know, they just peel the stickers off, stick it on the forecourt, and it'll go, won't it? Well, that's it. It's not fun in it anymore, is there, you know? No, it's a shame, but, yeah, I can see, as we all know, margins are tighter especially if it's a leash truck as well and i can't remember off the top of my head now unfortunately but i was told it was something like if you had it painted like a different color of white the resale was going to be about five thousand pounds less because it's not something that's readily available to be adapted and and also this day and age the vast majority of the trucks that are on our roads are kind of fleet speccy middle of the roadie nothing special and they're just going to be exported to Africa.

21:36They're off to Africa or the Middle East, Asia. Once they're done with here, they're gone, aren't they? They're not that massively sold on as such. So another one from down my way, which is only a small haul, it doesn't go particularly far, but people might well know, is Terry Seaman, if you know him. Oh, yeah. He's had the Fodunus, didn't he? That's the one, yeah, in brown. Yeah. It's chestnut brown, and I think that stands out, and it's all, I don't know if the sign writing is still done by hand. It always used to be. Yeah. And it was up until fairly recently. He does, each truck has an individual like farming sort of painting on the side.

22:17Think of the theme to it. Yeah, yeah. And that was always hand painted by a local guy, but that is now vinyl sticker of an old painting or whatever. I tell you an old school firm, right, and it won't pass me today, you know Lawson's at Cockermouth up in Cambria yeah on the coast they do a lot of long loads you know like metal steelworks structures and stuff like that the green ones yeah but they're all done by hand as well all the lettering it's all done by hand and it's an old school livery as well you know they're sourced by it yeah yeah green and red aren't they they look they look cracking and they've got I see recently on Facebook somebody I think it's Lee Elliott put some pictures up they've got a little DAF CF but it's like a heavy hauler for moving nuclear flasks yeah that looked really cool little flat roof CF like 6x4 CF with this big modular trailer for moving the heavy nuclear flasks that looked that looked cool but yeah there was one of theirs at Drifter Style Show last year and it was just yeah polished to within an inch of his life you know like another one is we've got where we live HP Alts Craig Butterfield where he works and you know the red and green now do you know I'm going to be honest, I'm not sure the red and green works.

23:35But it is their livery and it's on all the trucks. They've all sprayed. I think it works because they colour code a lot of it. If it was just the cab and it wasn't done with the rest, I think it wouldn't work. But because it's all done, you can't just do the cab and then leave the chassis and the wheels. You've got to do the whole line. Yeah, you've got to do it. I mean, I'm a massive fan, right, of colour coding. Yeah, me too. I think, you know, it's like these people. I mean, don't get me wrong, listeners are going to be like this. And they buy their light bar off Cuda, whack it on the truck.

24:13There we are, I've got my chrome light bar. Very 2010, isn't it? You don't see the Dutch doing that, do you? Or the Scandinavia. Everything's colour coded. Yeah, yeah. Wheels. Al Gaffo, yeah, he's got some trucks. He's got one truck left now. He's sold some. but he's got the light bars all done black the perimeter kits all done black the trucks black everything and it just looks really good yeah yeah yeah you've got to get everything color coded up do you know it just yeah see i think like like your diesel tanks your wheels you know as nice as nice as a polished set of alleys are i i personally color code them or have them white with uh like like your dutch your dutch or danish pin striping around the around the uh the edge of the wheel color-coded um donuts yeah yeah so i've got i've got oh i did my wheels did them myself and that and i've done them black what have i done you're driving it you should yeah i can't remember i did them i did them as well i did white edgings black white donuts and then black wheels i think i've done right but it does i like i like it anyway you know but it's just color coding it's brilliant, you know, it just, it makes the truck, makes the truck.

25:29Yeah. But we'll say, we'll do a post on Facebook, what's your favourite livery? Yeah. Post a picture and that and see what comes up and that, there'll be loads, won't there? Oh, yeah. I'll tell you another great one, which Andy Frood, who listens to this, who's the little guy in the Little Daft working for Thomas Bores. Thomas Bores, right? Oh, man, right? They are beautiful, their trucks, aren't they? Yeah, 100%. Yeah. By the set hook of Holland as you come out of the port, there they are on the left-hand side. Yeah. I was going to apply for a job there once, you know, like Hans Corbyn who works there.

26:03And he said, oh, I'll apply for a job. We're after a UK driver at Killingham and that. But it turns out they wanted a bit more than a driver. You had to do the forklift first. Right. Tranship all the trailers about and then go and do your day's work. I thought, I'm not doing that. That sounds a bit like artwork, doesn't it? Yes. Sounds like a squeaking gym having to do an actual day's work rather than me and you do lord it about for a few hours and park up. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Just wave at everyone and carry on going, you know. That's it. Yeah, yeah, that was what they wanted at the time. I don't know if it's still like that now, but, yeah, basic killing.

26:34I mean, someone's yard, but the trailers would come off the boat. You'd have to start transcribing some of the fort lift and then you'd have to get your trailer and go, oh, no, I'm not doing that. Yeah, no, it seems like a lot of hard work. But their trucks are immense. But, you know, I remember us in Ulsterbeer with Hans and was it Jella? Jella? Yeah, I think so, yeah. I can't remember now. Yeah, Jella, his name was. Anyway, they were saying when they get a new truck there, they have a barbecue and a party. Really? To welcome the truck home. Yeah, yeah. Brilliant. The warehouse up and all the wives come, the kids come, they have big barbecues and drinks.

27:07And the truck will be there in the warehouse all shiny and glitzy waiting for its new driver. Yeah. And everybody has a great – they have a great big party for it, for the truck coming home. What if they do that in the UK? Because what always staggers me is – so we're talking about Thomas Bores. They've got – the Dutch trucks are stunning. So are the English ones. They are, I think they're a slightly less or lower spec, I think. Yeah. The Dutch ones have all the S-cabs, don't they? And then I think English have R-cabs or the DAF XGs, but they don't have any mirrors as well, which puts me off. Yeah, but they're still done to that same standard as a Dutch.

27:46The liveries are the same, colour code and blah, blah, blah. Then you've got like Freightline, another Dutch car. Blue and white. Blue and white ones, yeah. and their Dutch trucks look great. They really do. But the English ones are just, it's like someone's turned up at chassis cab or Volvo trucks and gone, right, I'll have that one. Just slap a little bit of blue paint on and that's it. And they look terrible. Yeah, but again, we discussed this on another podcast, didn't we, about the Europeans. They actually love their trucks. Yeah, yeah. Right? They actually love their trucks. They're drivers.

28:19They look at lorry drivers as a good profession. In this country, they don't. they just look as a truck as a means to an end. It's a tool, part of a job. You can't tell a truck without a truck. That's it, right? And that's how they look at it, don't they? And they don't look at us as drivers thinking, oh, yeah, that's a great job to have, do they? We'll just look at us as someone in a shoe, really, don't they? Yeah. Another one, bring the Norwegian in green. Because it's the same thing. The European ones, cracking. The ones they've had over here, just garbage. But, yeah. I know, but it doesn't take much, does it?

28:55You don't have to chuck a load of money, you know, doing this and the next thing to it to make it look good, you know? Just a bit of colour coding, do the wheels, you know, and all that. And it just, it looks, it changes it around. It's like, I do a lot of truck polishing and stuff. I used to do shows and all that sort of stuff. And when I'm doing a truck up, right, like this one, for instance, the first thing I always do is the wheels, right? I always do the wheels because the wheels will instantly change the look of a truck. Yeah. Right? it clean them all up respray them silver i've actually pull it out to do it right i mean i don't mean to sound like it's somewhat hard but it's just you know to do your edging you put playing cards in all the way around and stuff like that stop it overlapping onto your tires right and you know do your wheels do your hubs color code your hubs to maybe the truck or whatever like that you know just don't leave it that chassis gray it's awful yeah yeah just simple things.

29:46Yeah, it is. It doesn't take much to start turning it round. Yeah. You know, even if it's not the most highly spec truck that's going, you can still do a big thing. Oh, yeah, exactly. Do the wheels. Do the wheels and the wheels will turn it round completely. Yeah. Literally and metaphorically. Yeah, literally. Yeah, yeah. But I tell you what, Harrison's at Tarleton. He spends his money on his trucks, doesn't he? He knows how to do a truck up, doesn't he, Lee Harrison? Yeah. Yeah, they all look really good, don't they? Yeah, they do, the fidges and everything. He's got a lot of fleet spec, right?