In short
The episode is a WrestleMania-focused conversation with Cody Rhodes, mixing wrestling lore, training, performance/promo mishaps, and personal fandom stories (including Eagles fandom and Philly experiences), plus talk about early rising, “old man” beach routines, and comedy “bombing” psychology.
Guests (and backgrounds)
Cody Rhodes is a WWE wrestler and performer, discussing his family wrestling legacy (Dusty Rhodes; plumber-son upbringing), his training path (OVW, NXT/Performance Center), and his WrestleMania plans. Matt (host) is a comedian/performer who shares stand-up and stage-performance experiences. LaMare (co-host) contributes anecdotes and banter.
Key claims
“Whoever gets it over owns it” in wrestling catchphrases/gestures (example: Hulk-up, “Suck It”). Modern NXT training is more structured and healthier than older systems, with emphasis on agility and recovery. Wellness policy reduced heavy “juicing” culture. Wrestlers often blame non-crowd factors (mic/title/camera/glasses) when promos flop.
Notable examples
Cody’s “Big Fish” moment at his father’s service; Wells Fargo Center as a tough-but-rewarding venue; Hardcore Holly as a tag-team partner/mentor; Shockmaster’s helmet/wall mishap story; flubbed stand-up closers and audio issues at the United Center.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOCody's Family Backstory
0:45 to 2:40
Cody shares insights into his family's history in wrestling and Austin.
“So I thought we could sneak in there while you'd still be asleep.”
Growing Up in Wrestling
2:40 to 5:50
Cody discusses the perception of his father’s upbringing within wrestling lore.
Perspectives on Parenting
5:50 to 9:10
The hosts reflect on parenting challenges and the joys of childhood.
“Most of the guys who wake up early, let everyone know they're up early.”
Tides and Time Management
9:10 to 12:20
A humorous exchange about tides, time management, and parenting.
“Stop giving all of your money to big wireless.”
LaMare's Wrestling Figures
13:01 to 14:04
The hosts share a light-hearted discussion about LaMare's wrestling figures.
Wrestling Memories and Room Experiences
14:04 to 14:46
Hear the hosts discuss their unique experiences related to wrestling and backstage encounters.
“you're going to be the the you're going to be the boat where is it it's john right you're taking it from yayo and getting to go yeah i have to get you dude i'm gonna have him break in your room later this week.”
Rediscovering Wrestling
16:45 to 17:41
Cody Rhodes talks about how he and Jelly Roll got back into wrestling and its impact.
“He saw it was Harley, I think, was doing the guest and he was like, dude, I want to do that and I was like, bro, you should definitely do that.”
The Magic of WrestleMania Moments
17:41 to 18:46
Cody shares his unforgettable experience during a WrestleMania event and its emotional impact.
“And then when the lights went out and Taker came back, I was like, everything came back.”
Growing Up with Football in Georgia
18:46 to 19:42
Cody Rhodes recounts his childhood experiences with sports teams in Georgia and the evolution of his fandom.
Becoming an Eagles Fan
19:42 to 22:23
Cody discusses his journey to becoming an Eagles fan and the team's significance in his life.
“So as far as teams to root for in Georgia that are safe, the Bulldogs in Athens can never go wrong with UGA.”
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Nepo Baby and Wrestling Legacy
22:23 to 25:06
Cody Rhodes reflects on the concept of being a 'nepo baby' in wrestling and the importance of family legacy.
“They treated me better than they treated Joe Biden.”
Training and Tough Lessons from Hardcore Holly
25:06 to 28:00
Cody shares insights on training with Hardcore Holly and the valuable lessons learned from their experiences.
“like young boys or whatever and they're thinking about getting into wrestling I always tell them like hey It's going to be easy for you.”
Training Insights from the Wrestling World
28:00 to 29:15
Learn about the evolution of wrestling training and its current methodologies.
The Roller Coaster of Wrestling Stories
29:15 to 30:44
Discover wild stories from the wrestling world, including personal anecdotes.
“They need a full-blown weight room, which they have.”
The High-Energy Performers in Wrestling
30:44 to 32:18
Explore the adrenaline-driven performances and their impact on wrestlers.
“I remember my whole class of coming up from OVW, but the system now, it's a lot healthier.”
Behind the Scenes of a Legendary Wrestling Gimmick
32:18 to 35:15
Uncover the story behind the infamous Shockmaster character in wrestling history.
“And then he's able as strong as a bull and the adrenaline and speed yank his head out, save the fall.”
The Emotional Aftermath of a Bombed Performance
35:15 to 36:58
Understand the feelings and experiences wrestlers and comedians face after failing on stage.
Critique and Growth in Performance
36:58 to 38:59
Delve into the importance of criticism and growth after a subpar performance.
“in terms of when you bomb or have that moment you need to have that bad night right uh yeah for sure but I would never, I don't know why I would say never.”
Adjusting to Perform in Larger Venues
38:59 to 41:39
Learn how performers adapt their act when transitioning to larger audiences.
“So you're just sitting there, you're talking, I'm going to say this, I'm going to say this.”
Wrestling Walkout Songs and Their Impact
42:04 to 46:02
Discover the significance and humor behind wrestling walkout songs and their influence on a wrestler's persona.
“And I also run the stage as fast as I can.”
Cody Rhodes and Pat McAfee Rivalry
48:15 to 54:24
Explore the dynamics of Cody Rhodes' rivalry with Pat McAfee and their interactions leading up to WrestleMania.
“monday may 4th i'll be at the hollywood bowl in los angeles california monday may 4th and then May 7th I'll be at TD Garden in Boston Massachusetts.”
The Role of Celebrities in WrestleMania
54:25 to 56:00
Understand the historical role of celebrities in WrestleMania and how modern interactions shape the event.
“that modern wrestling fans and more what i mean is younger fans who didn't watch wrestlemania one or two, the original WrestleMania was built on the celebrity interaction.”
Game Day Experiences and Insights
56:00 to 57:30
The hosts discuss their experiences on game day, revealing humorous anecdotes and insights about sports commentary.
“He told me Nick Saban loved joking around.”
Motivational Speeches in Sports
57:30 to 59:10
A conversation about impactful locker room speeches from coaches and their motivational styles.
“Yeah, I like the - It replicated this year.”
Catholics vs. Convicts Rivalry
59:10 to 1:00:00
A lively discussion on the famous rivalry between Notre Dame and Miami, reflecting on its cultural significance.
“November 7th, we're coming for you, Miami.”
College Football Team Loyalties
1:00:00 to 1:02:00
The hosts express their loyalties to various college football teams and discuss the dynamics of fandom.
“When this Ugga does, I'm signing up LaMare.”
Historical Interests and Ken Burns
1:02:00 to 1:03:20
A dive into the hosts' interests in history, particularly focusing on Ken Burns' Civil War documentary.
“Wrestling, famous wrestling announcer Jim Ross is watching this now.”
Preparing for Acting Roles
1:03:20 to 1:05:00
A discussion on the preparation and experiences related to acting roles in a military history context.
“It's so funny to watch that preparing for Guile.”
WrestleMania Promo for Pat McAfee
1:05:00 to 1:08:20
A humorous yet serious wrestling promo directed at Pat McAfee, showcasing the playful rivalry.
“I can't wait for this all to get settled.”
WrestleMania Excitement
1:10:02 to 1:10:14
The hosts discuss the upcoming WrestleMania and the excitement surrounding it.
“And Pat, he'd be scared running into you, man.”
Playful Banter and Rivalry
1:10:14 to 1:10:59
A light-hearted discussion about wrestling dynamics and playful rivalries.
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Wild Wild West. Hey, you're not masturbating in here, are you? What up, big God?
0:07Shane Gillis:What are you doing? What are you doing? I'm just hurting my spouse in here. What's going on, man? Get in here, baby. Get in here. Give me a hug. Take every day. Give me a hug.
0:23Back to your knees, man. Yeah. Oh, God. Oh man. Don't put the belt on that.
0:33Shane Gillis:You know, this is, you got quite a scene in here. What's going on? I don't know, dude. It was chilling. You know, this is free spirit, isn't it? Just watching the rise of Polaroid's big kids. Oh man. It's pretty good. Well, thanks for having me in here. Thank you so much, dude. This is a selfie. This is a type of energy I need. My God. All right, man. We're going to go do this pod. What do we got going on? I'm turning off the TV. Why do you have it so loud? You're right there. Oh, man. I love it. All right, man. It's going to work. Yeah, I'll be upcoming.
1:19Shane Gillis:How does it feel? I don't know. That was the last thing I expected. The bag's on you. Hello. LaMare's going to cry. LaMare, are you crying, LaMare? I'm not crying, dude. I'm just very surprised. A good surprise. Yeah. It's a nice surprise, dude. It was tough to keep you out. Normally, you're asleep by one. So I thought we could sneak in there while you'd still be asleep. That'd be nice. Instead, he tried to go to the gym this morning, and I had to be like, no, dude, get back in your room. I have a meeting.
1:59i have a meeting works really well on a lot of people yeah i have a common oh i i don't think it's even like the parlance anymore but i have one where i tell my one buddy and he knows i'll be like i gotta zoom and the zooms i don't think people are even zooming anymore but he knows that just means i'm leaving yeah i gotta go it's a good move well what's going on thanks for coming yeah we're in austin huh yeah this is it yeah my uh my dad grew up in uh east austin and i feel like i forget that and i feel bad because i'll come into town i got two uh nephews who are at the university of texas just that's awesome forget to say hi breeze right over them they're out there doing it you can say hi to them today nope you guys no we already meeting yeah your dad's from east austin i didn't know that yeah no he was uh he was from east austin his uh his whole story uh coming up in austin was just like especially when he got into his wrestling career in the american dream he was the a plumber's son yeah my grandfather virgil was a plumber but the story he would tell and you see it in a lot of the old old territory wrestling interviews is that like they were down on their luck style plumber but my mom knows better he was a non-union plumber who was killing it yeah he he was doing very well and dusty uh my dad was like his pride and joy you see all these pictures of him in like full-blown brand new cowboy outfits and like the red wagon and everything i mean they weren't super super rich or anything like that but it's funny to hear the story as it's told later in my dad's career because you know I'm the common man that you know dad was a plumber I came up on the streets yeah yeah there's some elements of that I don't know about you know a lot of big like my life ends up very much have you seen the movie Big Fish yes yeah okay so my life I felt like that movie hit me in a way that no movie has ever hit me when my dad passed away and we uh we're at his service it is literally like the scene in big fish where you you realize man a lot of this stuff was real like a lot of these stories were geez like these characters are it's accurate which is a crazy thing to think but yeah he's uh the lore it was there you're just calling him out on that one detail well this is what i don't mind it because like hey he's a plumber son they grew up on a car like technically so it's real it's real but i always laugh like my mom knows a little better on that how he was he was treated very well
4:39Shane Gillis:yeah yeah yeah i'd like to hit my dad with that my dad i like to tell him he was fake poor but yeah he loves crying poor i'm one of ten we didn't have a pot to pick you know all that shit it's like bro you're spoiled dude shut up
4:53Shane Gillis:we call it a springsteen when you pretend to be more working class than you are it's bruce springsteen it's really like i feel like that's maybe all generational yeah is they seem to for how bad it was they seemed to get everything they ever wanted you know yeah everybody got the the big family and everything and i i get it college was 20 bucks house house was 150 dollars right they're doing great and then so because we're talking about your hours sleeping hours what's what when are you up when are you down that's a good question la mare when are you up when are Why are you talking to me? No, no.
5:30Shane Gillis:This is actually important. What are you trying to talk shit? Show the fucking bell. LaMare, we've got guys in our group that run at a completely different speed. You know if you text them at 7 a.m., you'll receive a reply at 1 p.m. That's when he's up. He's got most of the squad. Okay, yeah. Other than Matt's awake, the rest of the squad is. See, I'm from like a different. I think I'm misplaced in time. I'm up super early. I'm a total goody two shoes. I'm also a real let everyone know. I'm working real hard here, guys. Speaking of my language. Most of the guys who wake up early, let everyone know they're up early.
6:09Yeah, they're really like it's a contest. Everyone goes, just so you know, I'm awake right now. I do it every single time. It's the best. I love it because we were just filming a TV show, and I had to wake up every day at like 6. Every day I would text all my friends and be like, dude, wake up. You bums, dude. The struggle, man. Get up. Yeah, rise and grind. Jesus Christ, I'm already working. there is something beautiful to getting up early in the morning there's a whole day that you don't that's just nice it's awesome i uh i discovered the super old man thing that i do i was describing it as maybe the most old man thing i do we just went to the beach with my girls and i go down to the beach right when the the gets the chair part like the chair person opens and i'm there waiting to get my beach chairs and then i put stuff in the chairs yep so that people know these these are these chairs yep these these are taken and i saw i was standing around with a group of men that were much older and talking about things a lot different than what i would be talking around i thought this is yeah this is where i'm supposed to be yeah this is me now i have two little kids
7:14Shane Gillis:any chance you can get to just like get it like a solo 15 minutes is pretty nice yeah i would wake up we're at the beach i wake up like i gotta set the tent up now i'm gonna set it up you know it's nice too you're like oh it's probably low tide now i'm gonna push it back a little high tides coming yeah start gauging the tides this is all bullshit i know the tides bro i love that no concept of tides i don't know how long this lasts or when they go back out i have no clue no you got it you're thinking about the tides got him man that's the type of talk i want yeah you guys make it up i just make it up i go out there and just go like yeah probably low tide I will.
7:47This is my theory on it. You guys, with your kids, you can be wrong about everything all the time. Yeah. To your little kid. You can go, the sun explodes at night. Yeah. And they'll go, holy shit. Yeah, but then they start going to school.
8:00Shane Gillis:And then they start calling. Sure, but I think for like six years. Oh, for sure. You have just like, I've never been wrong. No. I haven't been wrong in six years. I can say anything. Complete free reign. Tides are going to be gone in 20 minutes. Yeah. I'm running up against kindergarten right now. She's debunked a couple of my things. And I'm like, yeah, well, your teacher doesn't know. Starting to investigate the investigators. She's starting to find out some things. Yeah, you're undefeated for a while. You're undefeated. But it's also, to the tides thing, just to get back, you're not totally wrong.
8:29Do you, I feel like you may not know exactly what you mean. It was like low tide, high tide. There's something to what you're saying that's accurate. Water's coming in. It's going to happen. Yeah. I'd be surprised if anybody here knew timing. like how long is it a high tide and low tide see i i got observed talking like 12 hours or
8:49Shane Gillis:no it's like i think it's every i know the moon controls the moon controls the tides you're ready to go yeah i can tell you need one fact i can talk tides oh i get it i look at wet sand and then i and i if i see the waves aren't exactly making it to the wettest point i go tide must be going out yeah oh yeah now man you're undefeated right now this episode is brought to you by Mint Mobile. Stop giving all of your money to big wireless. Mint Mobile's got high-speed data, unlimited talk and text on the nation's largest 5G network. And it's 15 bucks a month for the first three months. Like your money?
9:23Shane Gillis:Mint Mobile's for you. Shop plans at mintmobile.com slash drenched. Upfront payment of$40 for three months, five gigabyte plan required, equivalent to$15 per month. New customer offer for the first three months only, then full price plan options available, taxes and fees extra see Mint Mobile for details what I would have liked when we visited LaMare's room was for you to see he has a secret cabinet of his guys a shrine he has a shrine of guys you took down the shrine you got made fun of him too much what was the shrine? you started getting some pussy in there
10:02Shane Gillis:LaMare what was the shrine? it was just like it was like a Kofi Kingston and Orange Cassidy. Oh, see? Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, he had the figures in there. We were like, well, man, dude, it's time to put down the figures. But he had them hidden in one of the cabinets. Honestly, why did you put him down? Why did you take him down? I don't know. I just, I don't know. I'll tell you, if you have a lady friend in there, be you. Keep your figures up, man. True that. You went in there. You can't be himself if a woman's in there. You can't go out watching cartoons and playing on my video game. It was a lot of, I noticed a lot of sensory overload.
10:49TV was jacked up on a documentary, and then you were playing your RGB, and you were deep in that. Obviously, the cannabis swirling in the air.
11:05And then like a very makeshift cleaning system where things were stacked. Yeah. He's waiting to clean. I'm on my way to cleaning. That's like rings of a tree. You can see the last time he cleaned by the layers of trash. You go, that was April. Oh man. Well, be proud of your figures, man. Yeah. Yeah. Don't, don't be afraid of that. I am jealous. My nephew has all my figures now. Yeah. And I saw them and I was like, fuck, I was wondering where those went. I want them back, dude.
11:34Shane Gillis:You should take them back. I should. Any grails in there? Anything that was real? I was a big DX guy. So I was like, when I saw the DX figures, I was like, damn, I wish I had those guys back. Stone Cold, obviously. It's a classic. What was it about DX that you, was it them just? They were just being bad boys. Sound Suck It. Suck It was incredible. Suck It was huge. That was the biggest, I don't know what the. That was R67. Yeah, it was. Every single kid if a camera was on him. I don't know what genius it was. If that was X-Pac himself or there's just like an absolute genius somewhere that was like, here's what we're going to do.
12:11Shane Gillis:Because that was one of my favorite things. Do you know who came up with Suck It? So I think if you kind of pull the thread on Suck It, there's going to be two or three guys who try to say it was them. Because at first people were doing the crotch chop. Yep. And DX classic WWE style. Let's market this. we'll just cross our arms and it's a whole nother thing i'm gonna say it's it's someone it's a x-pac it probably if anything sean michaels would get the credit for it because he was doing this yeah kind of before but it's like the fargo strut which is what rick flair does that whole deal if you really look at it it's hard to always determine who came up with it first more wrestling the rule is whoever got it over whoever made it famous yeah it becomes theirs uh especially in like the 70s and 80s they were just bob dylan songs just straight ripping the lyrics and putting them into promos uh they would do similar stuff in different territories but there's no cable at the time yeah so it was really whoever marketed and patented prime example hulk hogan's hulk up every wrestling baby face pretty much used to do the hit ya nope not anymore and they'd start coming back start coming back and then he made it such a big thing the hulk up was so the finger point that nobody else could do it anymore and if you do it today yeah you're like a crazy person you try to hulk up at any point even though that was a common baby face basically they'd be selling hey i'm done with you hitting me yeah like now i'm coming back and the crowd could feel it but yeah wrestling whoever gets it over it's theirs so it's pox pretty much it's xbox i'd say so yeah that's awesome i think time or sean tony ayo came up with you can't see yeah he kind of don't think so hold on here we go lamair's activated like by the rules john cedner got it more over you know i don't know tony ayo did it in a in an like get rich or die trying but john seems to be doing it for 20 plus years you know where where do you stand on i think you're going to be the the you're going to be the boat where is it it's john right you're taking it from yayo and getting to go yeah i have to get you dude i'm gonna have him break in your room later this week.
14:26How many people go in his room, by the way? Was that common? Not many. Most people don't make it back. That's a tough... Cleaning ladies refuse. Cleaning ladies do not go in. I'm honored. Yeah. Because I saw you at the Austin show you came to, right? Was that... Yeah. Heck yeah. Good time, man.
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16:35Shane Gillis:uh i don't know i just i don't know i want to go i just i don't know he got me back into he got me back into wrestling with a mania like two two years ago dude i like to say i got a jelly roll into wrestling too you got jelly roll into it yeah so you're responsible for because jelly is like full-blown wrestler yeah jelly loves it how'd you get him into it we were in this car during the Nashville festival and we were smoking and then we were hanging out and then I was like, Raw was on Monday and I was like, I would like to go and he was like, you should go. He saw it was Harley, I think, was doing the guest and he was like, dude, I want to do that and I was like, bro, you should definitely do that.
17:21Damn. Make it validate. Jelly Roll is a big part of what we do now. Thank you. So that was LaMare. The guy sitting next to a guy going I think I'm going to do that And he goes yeah you should Yeah that was all me That was me dude You got to come to Mania man It's Vegas You got to come to Mania But did you get You got into it because of He got me into it for a minute It was during Wrestlemania And I was like man turn this off I don't like watching Wrestlemania And then I started watching it And I was like oh shit And then we were watching it Actually, I watched the last few manias when yours, when Taker came back and like all that.
18:01I was laying on this couch. Yes, I was laying on the couch. And then when the lights went out and Taker came back, I was like, everything came back. I was like, holy shit. I've told this story before, but he ran to the ring with two brand new, I believe, either hips or knees. He just had double. And this was the first time he'd run. but the blackout when we do it in the stadiums or in the arenas it's not full like it is on tv yeah it's you can see a bit and he rolled in the ring in a way that he could have probably killed a full-blown lion he had such testosterone and so i mean he was so ready to be standing up and for that moment it was incredible just to see how agile is why i was such a great athlete uh agile he was but then again in the moment he hits the chokeslam on on rock and i told him when he was on my podcast but i can't believe it happened this way he literally looked over to me and i think i missed the moment a little bit because i think he was looking for a little bit of i got you kid sheriffs leveled the playing field here but i was just half dead from whatever roman and i had done but he he completely just winked at me lights went out i i i was i i was in it yeah i was so like man it's again like the big fish element of it with what we do the suspension of disbelief what's real what's not you cannot convince me he's not magical
19:35and saved my wrestlemania so do you know that's how my eagles love all that all started no i I had no idea. Okay, so I bounced around NFL-wise. I'm from Georgia. I'm from Marietta, Georgia. So as far as teams to root for in Georgia that are safe, the Bulldogs in Athens can never go wrong with UGA. The Braves. The Braves are going to consistently be a good team. I got really into the Falcons as a kid. Michael Vick came on board. That's awesome. Two season tickets sold out. I was wearing that number seven jersey every day. I was all about it. And then the worst thing that could have possibly happened in the state of Georgia.
20:16Yeah. And then we fell off as a fandom. And then of course, Maddie ice and the, the comeback. So I always loved my home team, but I never, I was never fully juiced in my sister, my oldest sister. Uh, she ended up her big dream growing up. She wanted to cheer for the Cowboys. So she cheered for the Cowboys for two seasons. so most of my family are Cowboys fans but I never really had a team so I bounced all around every year I just kind of take a pick yeah hey this I like a good SEC quarterback I'll follow him I my favorite arena to perform in arena is Wells Fargo in Philadelphia it's a hard arena they like the bad guys more and for whatever reason on a night I had nothing going on this is money in the bank years ago i'm sorry i'm looking at you lamara like you know exactly you know and uh the way the story we told the match was like maybe they'll get behind cody because this is kind of a an odd group that we don't have a running favorite maybe they'll get behind him they got behind me in this match and the story of the match was more about me losing than winning but after that i thought so strange i'm a nepo baby in the business a lot's been handed to me i've this is a type of crowd that wouldn't take to me and from years of performing in front of them they did so i always had this philly love fast forward to the biggest match of my life and where my whole life changes and why the title exists like why i have it here is there on the link is rest of the main at 40 um and i after that i just couldn't i mean i dressed in their locker room yeah that's awesome my life was my life changing as an entertainer in the wrestling business all discussed right there in that infrastructure so i just felt i'm in i'm i'm in and also good team go birds like yeah like go birds again great conversation with sirianni everything like a great team i'm in and and crying you know everything he did i felt like i had just something about this place yeah fast forward to i want to take my uh some of the camera guys and one of our writers at wdb his name's kirsch and our director they want to go to this uh phillies raiders game uh in philadelphia like they want to go to the eagles raiders game in philadelphia and uh i was like oh we can do it we can make it work and i i didn't want to go through anybody i just got a suite got it catered i didn't try to do any of these hookups the same game that i did this Joe Biden was at.
22:54And I'm not kidding. They treated me better than they treated Joe Biden. That's kind of unsurprising. I know those guys. I got pictures of me on the field, throwing the ball. I stood by the tunnel. They made everyone in my crew feel amazing. So afterwards, we're going to leave. We've had the best experience ever, especially some of the crew who this was just all of it was a bonus. Hey, come back, come in the locker room, going in the locker room doing some local access interview about how the offensive line played that day and i'm just talking nonsense but they treated me like a native son so every time i go it gets deeper like i can't because my mom the other day she asked me she goes why are you an eagles fan nothing ever good happened there and i'm thinking you you were in the ring michelle that's where they play you know but yeah that's where that's where it all started so i'm new i'm new it's fun but man they do they've been so good to me yeah the eagles are awesome yeah also going
23:57Shane Gillis:back to the nebo baby thing i i don't like that idea at all i hear you hear it about like uh ice cube son all this stuff and it's like the idea of somebody working hard and then putting their kids in a good position to like work hard and do good stuff people resent that i'm like i look at it like a roman senator so you're just bringing more glory to the house so it's like yeah dude it's like house he o'Shea jackson he brings glory to the house of cube you bring you bring glory to the house of rose i don't that whole thing i i just i'm just not with that man bro it's spot on that's like that's that's it i mean the song as i'm a super dramatic person and when it comes to wrestling i take it so seriously for how often silly the job actually is but i mean the first words in my song are wrestling has more than one royal family and it's all about you know the hearts the McMahons the Guerreros and finally getting a little hey the roads are here dude you know we're gonna run this score up that's what I'm talking about I think that's awesome when you hear people like it's like dude tell your dad to do better man tell your dad to step it up man anybody who brings their kids around work and they're if they're like young boys or whatever and they're thinking about getting into wrestling I always tell them like hey It's going to be easy for you.
25:12Private jets. You're not going to be commercial. And I can always see their parents stop. You get on the tour bus. Hey, you got a little heat in the locker room? That's okay. If it's going to be bad, just lean into it. Yeah. Lean into it. Like WrestleMania. Somebody called me the golden boy yesterday in a backstage pre-tape or a few weeks ago on TV. And I thought, hilarious, because I used to be a job guy here. I started very low here. but after that i decided i'm gonna just go in on this and my mania gear a lot of gold like real yeah it was sick real a little bit of a under the under the cowl oh yeah yeah you know yeah yeah you gotta go dude what's hardcore holly like it seems like big bob yeah um do you have any uh bodybuilders in your in your life no just me yeah Matt's been juiced up for a while.
26:13So he was the first guy who taught me how to train, but his life consisted of one night I drove him from Jamestown, New York, to somewhere upstate New York in the middle of a blizzard, and we get to a red roof in at 7 a.m. Legit, barely. This has just been brutal. The show's not until 7.30 the next day, and I asked him when he wanted to meet, and he's the old school guy who they didn't just set times. They'd say, oh, call me when you wake up, that thing. No, tell me the time because that's weird. But he was like, I don't know, what is it, 730 now? Let's say meet at 10. Sleep for two hours. And we'd work out, we'd eat, then we'd have nothing to do.
27:00We'd eat again. He was just very much the first guy I met. That was one thing he did right by me. He taught me about, I guess, proper training and proper nutrition and took me to the gym. And as far as a tag team partner, he was one of the toughest guys in the locker room. So no one ever really messed with any of us. But then other nights he'd scare me. I think like one night I was in the shower and, you know, those soap caddies, the things you put a bar in a bar soap. I guess I was taking too long and he was getting frustrated with me anyways. and all of a sudden that soap caddy flew by my head and shattered against the shower wall at like a Mariano Rivera speed to the point where I hope he wasn't aiming for me because that would have killed me.
27:50But no, he has a very grumpy reputation, but at the time I got nothing but respect for it because I needed that. I think that's why they put us together. give him the most curmudgeon i mean his name is hardcore holly uh let's let's see uh how they do he'd do uh one thing he did that would always be a lesson but a tough lesson sometimes he did way cooler stuff than me in the ring and then they'd build the big hot tag we call it the guy's getting beat up he's getting beat up he's getting beat up finally the the other team they're gonna of power play style switch the odds here and sometimes instead of him getting beat up to tag me in and give me this big glorious moment he'd just grab a guy in a full nelson and pick him up and slam him which is a full nelson slam which is a finish basically and then he'd just walk over and tag me like this and i'd get in and like oh punch drop kick him while he's down and i was already like really plucky like yeah baby like uh this guy uh so he he was he was the exact right person uh still friendly with him to to this day i think uh the exact right person i needed in my life a wild one and but never never did anything crazy or unsafe because he's got a lot of weird stories he was great by me what i needed at the time what is the training like then because you
29:12Shane Gillis:got like it's almost probably similar to bodybuilding but then you probably have to do a lot of like i don't know like agility balance flexibility so you don't just like jump off the thing and rip everything today it's uh the way nxt operates which is our developmental system the performance center i i won't i like how i came up uh which was a different system i came up i went to ovw where you got with like-minded people you'd sit there and watch wrestling this before the network it was wwe on demand it was like seven nine like on the cable package watch msg network shows and stuff like that i got around people who liked wrestling i'd go to the gym they'd that was if you liked it you'd click today it's all they've got it all mapped out really well they've got exactly what you mentioned they've got agility they've got multiple rings including one that has a an extra layer of pad and bounce if you're going to try big high spots they've got sean michaels again we're talking about probably the greatest in the ring ever so that's your head coach how could you not be good the system they have down down there with the performance center now is designed for the nil athlete because they're used to it i came from baseball i came from football i came from gymnastics so they need all that they need a room that's a recovery suite.
30:34They need a full-blown weight room, which they have. They need all that. When I came up, you were just doing it. Yourself, which I liked because you found like-minded people. I remember my whole class of coming up from OVW, but the system now, it's a lot healthier. It's a lot healthier to get everybody ready. But the bodybuilding aspect of it, because since 2007, the wellness policy is there. So the bodybuilding aspect of it, there's a couple OGs still who treat it that way for the most part it's uh it's all shapes and sizes again yeah little 80 70 style where not everyone is shredded to the gills and not moving there's a lot of yeah i guess better athletes yeah i suppose yeah it's less juicing i would try to put it in you because those boys were flying old wrestling you nailed it yeah you nailed it yeah that's the old wrestling you see a guy sprint at like ultimate warrior i'm not saying he was well he probably definitely was but see him just sprint out of the fucking tunnel you're like this guy's the highest guy i've ever seen in my life they uh it's kind of awesome though yeah there's this crazy clip of road warrior hawk i think running this is pre-wwe but talking about that type of energy and flowing through the veins yeah yeah he's running out in a studio tv show So his distance he needs to move is about 10 feet to the ring.
32:01And then he's going to have to turn to face the little studio camera. Forget if he was saving my dad or if they were saving somebody, but he's running with such everything that he jumps the top rope, nearly hangs himself. The rope gets up. And then he's able as strong as a bull and the adrenaline and speed yank his head out, save the fall. So he never falls. he jumps over the top rope where his head gets hard but then he's you know when you're falling and you need something to catch he catches himself on the top rope where they're all like this anyways looking at the heels come on he's just flying you know the conversation after I had to be like what the he nearly died just run in there man like when Ric Flair he's old but when he like runs into the turnbuckle and like bounces off of it he's just flying I think Nature Boy, if you were to shoot him in today, he could flip up upside down.
32:59He's got it. What about the Shockmaster? You think he was a little juiced on that? Oh, Shockmaster. Well, Shockmaster might have been juiced on that. Shockmaster's connected to my family. I don't know if you know. Oh, I didn't know that. So he's no longer married to my Aunt Bobby, but that was my Uncle Fred. What? And my dad. I'm trying to word this nicely because I don't know. I was a kid. seems like my dad was trying to help Fred out and seemed like he was trying to give him a role he had great run at WWE as Typhoon and Tugboat so the Shockmaster was the role I don't like to it doesn't seem like the idea was that well it was a stormtrooper mask it was a bedazzled it was a bedazzled stormtrooper mask it's a stormtrooper helmet that Janie Engel right?
33:49Janie Engle spray painted silver spray paint on it. But the story, the story I've heard is that it wasn't Fred's fault because before when they did flare for a gold, the he, this guy ends up falling as he busts through a wall, his helmet falls off and it's, he's the whole thing's dead in the water right that moment. The best part about that is Sid, who's going to WWE's hall of fame right now is still trying to hang on to it. Most people in that group are,
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34:21like this this ain't good we got to get out of here we can't just go well cut you know it's alive always with us but sid's going who is that he's trying to stay in but the thing that fred told everybody is there was a board a guy named jackie crockett who was a cameraman he put that board there to just make sure the flare for the goal because it was just a three wall set doesn't fall that board apparently was not there earlier in the day and that board is what did it i don't know any way which this ever would have worked say he emerges through the wall in his storm his fur vest and only anderson who's doing his voice from somewhere else so he's like he's like yeah it's not him talking he's like lip-syncing like he's talking it's so crazy but okay so this happens and it's funny to the entire wrestling world some stuff is so bad it's funny we call it a monitor sellout where it's just oh my god it's gone so bad looking like let's stay but i had a very interesting ride home because my dad was mortified and i'm pretty sure he thought he was gonna be fired by ted turner and tbs my uncle was not gonna make it in that role that wasn't gonna so we just drove home from wherever that was in dead silence like the loss the games like that type of so all we ever talked about was wrestling and how cool that was but i knew it's bombing we do we do this yeah yeah you bomb you get in the car with everyone drive home silently yeah the bit the bit didn't work out that someone says one thing like dude shut the fuck up that's a bad drive yeah and there's always the one guy trying to be like let's go to taco mac or something no man like yeah my friends yeah we have a this i'm thinking of the mashup oh it's the funniest bomb ever my two friends were on stage together and just the crowd hated them and then we get in the car and we're driving back to our place and it's just dead silent and then finally it's like you guys suck and then they were like okay all right yeah it's pretty funny yeah we suck and then after like an hour of me making fun of the one dude just lost his mind and tried to
36:30Shane Gillis:fight me oh no well then we had a chair is that we had like a house with like five of us there's one chair we'd all play video games if you bomb his idea you got to sit in the bomb chair you bomb tonight you got to take the bomb chair he kept bringing up the mashup yeah and he stood up fully like fight me right now i can't i thought he was joking too he like went to the kitchen he was like you motherfucker so i got in his face joking i was like and then i realized he was serious i was like oh he might he might murder me do you feel it's important though the passion in terms of when you bomb or have that moment you need to have that bad night right uh yeah for sure but I would never, I don't know why I would say never.
37:08I spazzed on so many people after I bombed. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I think you need that back. Yeah. It's embarrassing though when you, if you bomb and then you get mad at somebody else. Yeah. You gotta be mad at yourself. Yeah.
37:20Shane Gillis:I almost threw a can of liquid death just the other night. I flubbed the last like two words of my closer. I just like fucked up the clothes and flubbed the words. And I was like, all right, yeah, you guys got the idea. I'm out here. Sorry about that. And I walked backstage and I was getting like ready just to hurl a full liquid death and I saw a camera above me. I'm like, yeah, maybe I'll just chill. So I just squeezed it privately. I put it against my chest and squeezed it. I saw like right before you took a break from stand-up, you got off stage at Helium and I was on the other side of the door and I was just like, ooh, that sucked.
37:54And he's like, fuck. And I was like, oh, never mind. Never mind. Yeah, I don't like it. Because normally if you bomb, you can just be like laughing off. but every once in a while you'll see someone like fully like no dude the worst we did a comedy
38:06Shane Gillis:contest in new jersey that was sick and i i had like an okay set and i remember the guy came up after me and was just like yeah this guy started just like trashing me and i was watching it i was like he was sitting next to me and he was like fucker shane's laughing i'm like it's not funny yeah and then i it was i've chilled out for sure but i remember he was done he was with his girlfriend i like walked up to him it's just like hours later walked up to him like yeah it was pretty funny man he was like oh okay and i was like no seriously ever do that again i like pulled him in i'm like never do that again i'll fucking kill you i swear to god he was like dude relax i'm just kidding he was right i'm just being a spaz but yeah it's okay as far as like wrestling promos go and the last lines being flubbed that's one of the worst feelings ever when you think you've got some hot ammunition and then you come back and realize didn't get i got 60 of that yeah and it didn't land and also you feel like it's everybody else's fault because our at least i you go out there and it's live so there's the camera there and there's all these other elements i'll tell you a crazy one that people never take into account now on my bus every now and then i'll try and do this, but the amount of stuff, physical stuff sometimes in wrestling.
39:18So you're just sitting there, you're talking, I'm going to say this, I'm going to say this. And then you realize like, I got it. I'm going to have the title and the mic. And then I might have the glasses on. You think of all these other elements and I always, those are where I usually go to blame. Like that's right. Yeah. You'll know there was one promo I did where I laid the title in front of me and I just told the cameraman, I said, shoot up. Like it's a big dramatic shot. I can't puck around with this thing right now. Like I, it's so much. Yeah. yeah i blame everything else blame everything else when i buy a fucking crowd sensitive whatever no matter what i got a fucking guy before me sucked when's the last time that that you felt you bombed uh it happens a lot i bombed on friday at the fucking united center in chicago big building the biggest big money literally the biggest arena and that was actually sounds fault yeah yeah so is it acoustic why acoustically it was terrible we fixed it they they were adjusting it the entire time during my set oh took like 25 minutes into my set they started to fix it did you feel that are you your own biggest critic that you bombed by your standards
40:22Shane Gillis:or did you feel you really it probably wasn't a true it wasn't a true it was fine the show was fine but there was definitely like sections of people that could barely hear it so then you're like damn those people wasted their money yeah yeah that's and like you feel oh terrible about that you're a real you're you're a real one well that's the worst well the consumer experience is everything i feel like the longer you go in any type of entertainment i like being around people who care because a lot like a lot of young wrestlers for example they're just just want to body slam him and then he kicks me up and we go they're thinking very much about just two of them yeah and then i think especially if they go on before raw or smackdown there i'm thinking there was 12 000 people yeah they were they they didn't mind what you did but you could have brought them in yeah involved him could have like get him going get excited we're about to go on air yeah versus do kind of your own performance the first uh i did the first arena i ever did i was always like i'm not gonna use fucking like fog machines and fucking lights and shit like i'm like that's all fucking corny i just it was the worst decision of all time i just stood on a it was just silent in a stage and i was like we gotta get some fucking lights and shit we gotta spruce this up yeah because i'd see other comedians doing i'd be like fucking losers yeah and then you kind of have to that's kind of the uh george straight in the country music world just stands in the center of the stage yeah it turns out i'm not george straight so i feel like a lot of people have the turns out i'm not george straight moment where it's like you know what yeah load it up yeah yeah i'm good mine was night one and then night two i was like all right we got to get like some fog or something they got one tiny like mall fog machine it was like a hundred yards away from me there was just like steam coming out of the side bombed again i was like oh fuck that's a work in progress yeah we're figuring it out yeah that's too big of a space just to come out to and be like walk walk out quietly yeah everyone's waiting for you crazy that's so funny it was bad i did i used to think it would be funny to come out on stage to ambient music like the stuff you fall asleep to I tried it once and I was just like I'm so so he'll pick songs to walk out to because it's funny and the idea of it's funny like what if I walk out to like flute EDM of fucking dubstep and then every time Matt walks out at one of my shows I'm like who picked what is this turn this the fuck off it also plays for three seconds it just blasts fucking garbage it doesn't even play long enough for it to land.
42:57Shane Gillis:And I also run the stage as fast as I can. You never even go, that was funny. He just starts, he's like, hey, how's everybody doing? This guy's out of his mind. Yeah, it's like, well, well, well, well, yeah. What's the song? You got the song. I know exactly what it is. I can play it right now. It's nuts, dude. This is a song. How did you come up with your theme song? Damn, come on. That song, well, speaking of him coming out to land, songs that may not land. You got to hear this fucking. Hit it. I got a good one right here. Where is this? I think it's this one. Oh, here it is. I found it. No, no, no.
43:34Shane Gillis:It's not that. They're probably going to sound pretty similar. No, it's right. I am excited to hear it. I'm worried that there's such a long list. Here we go. Let me skip ahead a little bit.
43:50It's a good fucking wrestling walkout.
44:06the song doesn't really tell us anything about you right other than i privately think that's funny because to your to your question uh the trick with a wrestling song all the greatest wrestling music it doesn't need to be a good song it needs to be a catchy song jimmy hart the mouth of the south the manager for hogan he was making all that great 90s content music that ended up being everyone's favorite it was catchy i like kingdom the song i come out to but and i actually think it's those guys are great downstate's great it's great song it's done amazing things it's the only walkout song i think wwe has that wwe doesn't own which i don't know how we feel about that uh but uh the issue is i hear it so much that especially at the end of the night if i'm doing the rounds and i'm staying and they're just playing that one song it it gets you yeah and i heard my daughter the other day she doesn't know the words but she was saying uh like something she put paw patrol in it all of a sudden it's very it's very you can i've heard people do the Something Something, Cody Rhodes, which is just kind of the appropriate way to sing it and whatnot.
45:18As long as you get to the whoa. What do they say? Yeah, the way nobody seems to know the words. There's one part of it like something something, Cody Rhodes. And if you think of it that way, it's a pretty interesting song by WWE standards, too. It's got my voice, which I recorded on a Generation 1 iMac when I first left WWE. because I took this song on the road with me. That's one of the things why WWE doesn't own it. I took it when I went and did independence and basically started myself back over to eventually come back to WWE. But I can say this, it can never change. Unless I was to go, you know, bad guy, then that song is out, I suppose.
46:01But that's the other thing. I'm locked into it. We're married together, that song and I.
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46:43Shane Gillis:Yeah, like I was dressed. I felt like I was soft enough that it would probably give you a slight chub all day. That's the thing, but then it goes away. I was just so conflicted because I was like, am I borderline? Am I like that one politician's husband, if you know what I'm talking about? Oh, yeah. I felt like him. Chocolate blue. I felt like him a little bit. Worst experience with pants ever, and then I was hard on the flight the whole time. Matt, you're going to love this. No bull has decided to put an end to our misery. Thank God. All right? It's a training brand known for award-winning footwear and apparel, and now they're bringing their no-bullshit attitude to men's pants.
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48:36I'll be there the 7th, 8th and 9th but there's still tickets on the 7th on a Thursday so please come Let's go.
48:43Shane Gillis:Guys 417 please come to the Celebrity Theater Phoenix, Arizona It's in the damn round. Right now I'm about to be in the U. I need you guys to complete the circle so I'm not just in the U Otherwise I'll be a pendulum I'll just go back and forth I need to come to get that orbital velocity. So please come to the Celebrity Theater. And then after that, the Celebrity Theater is not looking bad. I've hoped for that. Tucson, Arizona. What the fuck did I ever do to you guys? Yeah, what's your problem? Come out to Tucson. Come on, guys. It'll be fun. The Rialto Theater. Go Roadrunners. Yeah, man. Hell yeah.
49:15Shane Gillis:And the Toronto, you guys keep doing what you're doing. That's going to be great. Riviera Theater, Chicago, May 16th. And that'll be fun as well. It's just goddamn Phoenix and Tucson kicking my ass right now. We'll figure it out. We'll get them. My word. We'll find her. What? That was a big Smoke America guy. Like the action Cody Rhodes. Yeah, that was my guy. Speaking of bad guys, what's going on with that prick Pat McAfee? Yeah, what the hell? What the hell, dude? What a prick. How well do you know him? I know him pretty well. Yeah. He's a jerk. Let me see what I can. I'd like to stomp him at Las Vegas WrestleMania.
49:50I'm going to beat the fuck out of Pat McAfee.
49:53Shane Gillis:That would honestly be awesome. I actually have to open the straighter Hormuz again, though. Oh. Yeah. Fucking they closed it. So I can't go to Vegas. True. I've been I've been told that some of the people in his his orbit, his circle, think he's the next Sylvester Stallone in terms of TV film. I don't know if I'm getting that. From what I've watched, I have very limited knowledge on Pat. Other than I love me some college game day. Yeah. Yeah. He is very good on college game day. I will say, I know you don't want to hear this. He's the fucking man, dude. Yeah, I love that. I would say I'm glad.
50:38I'm glad there are people who like to pitch themselves in these WrestleMania and these big moments. I am flattered. Yeah, he wants to be a part of it. I'm flattered. Yeah, that's his. LaMere, you're shaking your head. No. LaMere, have you turned on Pat? Have you turned on Pat?
50:56Shane Gillis:this is a pat friendly house right i haven't turned on pat but like dude like you know like it doesn't make any sense talk your dude yeah talk it like yeah talk it because i'm not i'm just gonna do the mariah carey answer moving forward i don't know him there's like no tough punters like you know what's the answer this all right because he kicked me in the like below the belt here yeah uh that was an nfl punter that that that might be though you want to stay away from those legs yeah i don't know that might be it yeah this is the first time i've been asked about him and i think henceforth i'm just going with the mariah carey i don't know him response even though i might what was the nature of the betrayal what exactly happened oh man what do you do i uh let's see how we can explain randy orton who i'm wrestling at wrestlemania we have like almost two decades of history between each other he was my mentor i had cena who i drove around i had randy very different opinions uh but also really helped shape me we were on screen together as part of his group legacy he had my dad's last match my first match in the company's there was a lot of rich story material and then we inserted uh pat mcfee and that's we are literally in that part right there yeah so your question is everybody else's question true and now what the hell's this guy even doing here i uh yeah no you know like the the troops all outside there's that clown right i'm not saying he's like the clown in that regards it just it's an interesting fit and we're gonna see we're gonna see we're gonna see where it goes you're saying he's not a serious person no i don't i think he seems like you can't have that much success and be ground up like he is without being a serious person and having been to the thunderdome and for sure there's what i would say is right now what i've seen is everyone around pat mcafee his orbit probably someone needs to say no every now and then that seemed that seems like a dangerous group of people to you know you need like we're talking about bob holly earlier man you need that one guy in the room to be like i don't know man jumping into the wrestlemania main event also while i was getting my ass kicked in the ring the other night looking up and he's wearing shades like he put the shades on to go out there it's a different era of wrestling it was like watching a guy at a bar do like a stone cold impression or like and here's here's the thing and i'm really trying to i'm just going to stick with that i don't know him but this is my as uh is i heard him again getting my ass kicked i heard him talk about the attitude era and i'm thinking oh man i don't think he knows almost 30 years ago almost so love it and it was the most prolific era in the business until the last four years yeah so if you're part of the last four years you kind of feel like why are we talking about this you know what i'm saying we're playing in this game why are we talking about this and uh yeah no uh i'll stick with the official though uh i don't know him yeah damn dude should be interesting oh that's the best part about it i it's very interesting wrestlemania and something that modern wrestling fans and more what i mean is younger fans who didn't watch wrestlemania one or two, the original WrestleMania was built on the celebrity interaction.
54:39I think Mr. T, Hogan, Liberace, everything there, you know, you know, Wendy Richter, everything like it was all built. Liberace wrestle. Mike Tyson and, you know, when WrestleMania with him and with Sean and Steve. So there's always that element. Now Pat is there. There was that in the ring. He's in it. He's the new Liberace is what you're saying. in that list of celebrities who've come to the first world of mania muhammad ali mr t wendy richter and liberachi you decide where pat falls on the on the list you decide you know well there's that yeah i was watching the i just saw an instagram reel of uh when mayweather was on when he punched big show i watched that live and i was like he really fucking punched him yeah and then them talking about it was pretty sick also i think show that the big show they had a nice agreement between each other that when wrestling's done right the best thing ever is when you can just have a little bit of doubt on whoo seems like those guys do hate each other seems like and we have a lot of that in both main events this year there's a lot of sincerity to the suspension of disbelief i just believed you yeah yeah about that well i tried very hard to navigate and his real buddy.
55:59So now I'm sitting here. I feel bad. No, dude. No, you got to do it. I'm turning on Pat, dude. It's WrestleMania. Yeah. I mean, it's WrestleMania, too. Pat backstabbed me on college game day. Judging. Oh, bro, you got hokey. He told me Nick Saban loved joking around. Nick Saban does not love joking around. We're having fun here, right? We got done. He was still going. He was like, dude, go talk to him. There's no way he was serious. I was like, look at you, serious. Yeah, you bet. Well, so he's such a serious guy, Saban. i uh the crazy thing from my game day experience did you have notes when you did yours no thank you i didn't know what was going on you just went it well you know i had a couple drinks i had a couple drinks during the day too it was a night game it was a no name playoff game at night dude i was matt got on there matt almost made it it was a nice boot yeah that's it's such a great show it's fun i went on and i had the night before kind of like a set had been thinking of there's because there's some teams I don't know.
56:53I don't know about Kansas state, but I want to be able to make my picks and I'm in Athens and I go up there and I got the title and I got the fanatics, other UGA title. They're making me bring up there. So I didn't have notes. I sat down next to coach Lee. I sat down and he looked at me and just went, no notes. Huh? And I thought, oh, fuck. Oh, shit. Shit. Oh, man. Fuck. Oh, dude. No, no, no. Could I have notes? I would have not been able to memorize who won this award because some of those teams are, I'm not watching. Yeah. You know, I'm an SEC guy mainly for the most part. That's where I was at, but I loved game day.
57:29Loved it. Yeah, it's awesome. You did great on game day, man. Yeah, I like the - It replicated this year. The rivalry is great. Yeah. Saban's the straight man on that show. It's real. That was so funny.
57:40Shane Gillis:You also have a deep knowledge of all the teams and stuff. I wouldn't. I'd be tough. It would sniff me out pretty quickly, I think. Do you ever listen to a Saban or a Kirby locker room speech to get yourself fired up? Those are sick. Those are pretty awesome. I have found myself listening to Kirby talk to a bunch of college kids like they're going to war. Yeah, it's awesome. And I didn't realize the amount of F-bombs in a college. Like, Kirby speeches get me. That's a regular little treadmill listen. Freeman got one at Notre Dame's coach got one. It was halftime of Notre Dame, Penn State. I think it was 10-0, 10-3.
58:16And he was like, it's just a fight. Go out and fucking fight. I was like, that's crazy. He's like, you know how to do this. Fight him. Get your pads on, man. Lou Holtz has my favorite one. It was right before. It was Notre Dame, Miami. They got in a fight in the tunnel. And all the players are like, because Coach Holtz was like a very serious, they're like, he's going to yell at us for fighting. And he's like, I just got one thing to say. you leave Jimmy Johnson's ass from me.
58:46Yeah. All right. P is this Catholic convicts? Yeah. Oh gosh. What? You seen that? Yeah, it was that game. It was that game. Yeah. That's what that was as real as it gets. That's fun. Oh yeah. All on the line. You know what I'll say about the Miami fans? They, they love the whole, we're the bad guys thing. Yeah. You call them convicts once and they're all like,
59:04Shane Gillis:that's mean. I thought you guys were Catholic. Shut up. Well, I think also the... November 7th, we're coming for you, Miami. You're coming to South Bend. I think the sensitivity of that era was a little different, though, in terms of what was on TV. Also, the way they presented both teams always. Yeah. Well, the way the teams presented themselves also. Miami's scoring touchdowns and taking their helmet off and spiking it on a guy's head. It's probably a good character question to find out where you stood during the Catholics-Convicts side of football. I know exactly where I stand, dude. I like my roster not getting arrested constantly.
59:44I mean, what are we talking about? That's why my dad loved you. But I see why you like the Bulldogs. Oh, the dogs, bro. They're the best. They're pretty good. Other than that, Sugar Bowl. That was fun. But also, as far as a team to root for. It's a good team. You're consistently winning home games between the hedges. Ugg is still on the field. Ugg fucking rules. He's the best. Always. LaMare's going to be Ugga 15. When this Ugga does, I'm signing up LaMare. I like every time they bring Ugga around, another mascot or try to do one thing. He got upset. You know Ugga? The bulldog, man. You like it?
1:00:20Bevo attacked, Ugga. Bevo and Ugga. That was nice. Every time someone's like, I think it's a good idea. Let's just get it together. Yeah, let's get a dog next to this. Why would you put a full-blown steer and this bulldog are going to do well together? I love them dogs. And the dog biting people sometimes. That's nice. Well, that great picture, I think, is UGA 5 in the Auburn game. Yes. That's the type of run-through brick wall stuff. If our dog is getting into this, we're fighting, you know? That's pretty cool. Yeah. I think my niece is going to UGA. Nice. Yeah, that's big. That's awesome. I'm excited.
1:00:49Yeah, the dog's a good team. My mom's a big Notre Dame fan. Yeah. She's a saint. Yeah. She's great. Yeah, she'll be happy to hear that. Yeah. She understands your struggle. Because we don't get it. Because here's why. What don't you get, dude? So her era of growing up, Notre Dame. it's notre dame that's all you have to say touchdown jesus it's notre dame right however we don't know anyone who went there anymore we don't have any connection to it doesn't stop and multiple children have gone to other major universities and it's still i'm going to the notre dame game with my sister who do you know it's like you got to get out there that's their thing once you see it you go i get it does it get you yeah you'll get it yeah it gets you all right I get it.
1:01:32It's one of the greater institutions of all time. If not, top five. Top five is crazy. Top five? Now, since Bama went on that run with Saban, now Notre Dame's two. And Bama being one? Bama's now number one. Where would you put UGA? Recently, they made a good run. Because before that, I think they had won titles since like 1980. Yeah, and then they had their final. But now they've, yeah, they're up there for sure. What about Texas? Not really. You live in here, man. I still like Texas. They're great. The Longhorns are fun, but they're not. You can't put them up there with. They're not even above Oklahoma.
1:02:07Oh. All time, though, just blue blood wise. Wrestling, famous wrestling announcer Jim Ross is watching this now. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, he still has his own. Take my car. My car, Shane. Shane knows ball. Oh, man. No, Texas is right there. I think I sent you a text about this. I don't know. I think I saw you talk about it one time, and I was telling myself, I was like, I have to ask him about it. Is Ken Burns' Civil War. Shit rocks. I live for Ken Burns' Civil War. And it, have you seen it? I haven't seen it, no. It's 47 hours long. Yeah, I heard it's long as hell.
1:02:44Shane Gillis:I haven't been able to commit to it. There's no video. I've watched it eight times. Yeah, it's just pictures. Just scanning it. I've watched it eight times. I don't think I've gotten to Gettysburg. I've watched the first five hours of this thing. That's still really good. It's great. That's awesome. I got the part of Guile in Street Fighter coming up. Oh, yeah, that's right. And I'm thinking like, oh, I just want to get as American as an American can get. Right? And deep dive into military history. All stuff I already like. Yeah. Clearly already very much like. But I was just diving in. And for whatever reason, I got stuck on Kinburn's Civil War.
1:03:19And I was just fine with that. Yeah, it's incredible. It's so good.
1:03:22Shane Gillis:It's so good. It's so funny to watch that preparing for Guile. Yeah. i got a knowledge of what it's what it took thinking about pickets charge boom this is what it took to get you know true true you get to hang out with schultz on that what's that andrew schultz on that when you were phenomenal yeah he's the man oh and genuinely phenomenal yeah um i think people will be because they have noah centineo kalina and koji the three leads chun lee uh ryu and ken are killing it they they they knew their stuff they were ready they were pros pros and i think they put 50 cent and schultz and me and we got to come in float in and the way schultz is in the movie really blew me away yeah because i got to see him both making people laugh hysterically and then also a couple sincere moments he's a special one yeah yeah he's really a special one yeah he told me he'd help me against mcafee i don't know well yeah some jokes and then schultz also has started i think single-handedly schultz started a mortal combat versus and everyone i think on stage thought like the same thing okay uh we'll back him because that's our guy but like you know like yeah i don't know how far i think it's only getting worse like schultz is ready for a fight but also like i don't know i was saying he's like my tag partner i'm in we'll we gotta go yeah we got his back great guy i wish He had jumped in the ring with his shades on talking about the attitude era.
1:04:53True. While I was laying there confused, you know, but yeah, no, I know him. Yeah. True.
1:05:00Shane Gillis:I know this other guy. McAfee's a freaking punk. I can't wait for this all to get settled. Is this your wrestler go-to? This right here? I go, Hulk Hogan, we're coming from you. do you know when you do media and stuff for your shows, do people ever ask you hey, do something funny for you? I read all the time. Do you have a bit? No, I say no. Dude, I tell everyone because some people when they don't know wrestling and I totally understand how great the 80s were and I get it. I loved it myself. But that is a common, hey man, why don't you just cut a quick little promo for us? and that's what they want they want and i usually it's it's so soft and just almost i'd say i you can see in their eyes oh that's what that's not what i want that's not what i was yeah i thought you were gonna like say let me tell you something brother you know like bro it's 7 a.m uh i'm in a suit and it's it's 20 26 you know like i can just tell you this other stuff but then also in my mind I leave like, well, I should have something.
1:06:09Yeah. I should have a thing. Like when I met Bert Kreischer, Bert's more of a pro wrestler than half the pro wrestlers. He's like ready for that. Yeah. So I, I now try to have one ready, but then I never do. And just always try and tell him, let's just avoid. Before we, before we get out of here. Cause I think you actually have to go. Yeah. Could you cut one for us? Yeah, sure. Please cut a wrestle, please cut a wrestle, man. He needs you to cut one. I need it. Get in front of the camera, I'm getting in front of the camera and caught one. Give Pat McAfee a message.
1:06:35Shane Gillis:Send Pat McAfee a message right now. Give him the camera, bro. I'll set you up, LaMare. This guy came for us. Yeah, bro. He inserted himself into WrestleMania. Did you hear that, LaMare? That's your turf. LaMare, the belt was in your pool house. Yeah. Honor it. The title. LaMare, grab the Notre Dame belt. Get the belt, bro. Get the Notre Dame belt for this. Don't even mess around. Yes, feel it. Feel the strength of it. Yeah, feel that. Yeah. Coach Lou's in there. Oh, yeah. You got Pat Van Aden. You got a couple of them. Tell McAfee what's up, dude. What's the date? When's WrestleMania? 1819. Yeah.
1:07:11You know. Yeah. He's tattooed his brain. Come on in there.
1:07:17Shane Gillis:Pat McAfee, you dare say that the wrestling industry is the wrestling fandom, the IWC stinks. Yeah. Dude, this is the stuff that you're made of. This is where you're from. Without the IWC, you wouldn't even be on TV. You wouldn't be shit. Keep going, man. He wouldn't be shit. This WrestleMania, April 18th, April 19th, you and Randy Orton think you're going to take on the American Nightmare Cody Rhodes? You think you're going to walk out unharmed? Yeah. You think you're going to walk out fully together? You think you're going to walk out the same guys? He's threatening life-altering. Yeah, this guy right here, Cody Rhodes, the American nightmare, the QB one of the WWE.
1:08:12Shane Gillis:He rarely lets us down. He rarely lets us down. He won't let us down. You got to do better shit talk than that. He does pretty good for us. What the fuck, dude? The man, that was great. Good job, LeMere. I got to get out of here. You did it, man. You did it. You did it. You said he's got a pretty good winning percentage. All right. I think, unfortunately, you set it up where it's like, oh, man, he rarely lets us down. Basically, like, hey, dude. There's no chance. He's going to let us down. LaMere, I was happy. So you're coming to Mania, right? Yeah, you know Scott. Yeah, he's going to get into Mania.
1:08:50Yeah, you got to be there after all that. Watch out for Pat, too. Pat's going to watch you. You got to be there.
1:08:56Shane Gillis:Can I, before we go, I have to say one more thing. So on the way here, I was doing a little research. I came across an interview with you and your wife, Brandy, right? Yeah. And there was just a point of it made me laugh so hard where she introduced herself as the African-American nightmare. Yeah. And then you said it, you're like, the African-American nightmare. She's like, okay, don't say that anymore. That interview is so funny. It's not mine. Matt's marriage is an African-American nightmare. It's not mine. It's not mine to access. Yeah. and I learn it more every day. It's not. So I referenced my nickname on TV, Rahim, and that was funny until I said it.
1:09:42And then now I live with it.
1:09:46Shane Gillis:That interview is so funny. It's not mine to say. You must have been like, ooh, I'm keeping that. Yeah, no. See how that one goes for me? It's not mine. God, that was a really funny interview. Definitely watch that. I learn every day. Yeah. It's good. You're growing. You're learning. LaMare, thank you for the promo. That was incredible. Great job, LaMare. You're coming to WrestleMania, man. You got it. And Pat, he'd be scared running into you, man. You got him shaking, right? You're holding the Notre Dame title. Friends of our friends at Fanatics. You know, you're feeling that energy. It's Pat's move now.
1:10:25yeah I do worry about Randy Orton I think you could take Pat
1:10:32Randy like a human horse though a thick thick boy you know so you got it LaMare you're strong as hell right yeah okay
1:10:42Shane Gillis:we're talking about you taking out Pat oh yeah I can take Pat Pat would beat the hell out of you yeah That'll beat your ass. No, dude. I'm turning heel. I'm going back. Pat McIntyre, you're the man, dude. All right. Well, thank you very much. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you, man. It was a blast, man. Thank you so much. Watch new episodes of Matt and Shane's secret podcast on Spotify. Do it.
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