Ep 620 - In Defense of Sunlight (feat. Rowan Jacobsen)

28:58Shane Gillis:I'm always kind of like, I can't really prove it because I'm not going to hang out here for another year. I totally want to find out. I want to find out what their deal is. I do have sort of like, when time frees up, I want to go hang with the sun eaters. There's just dudes that are just standing naked on the beach who claim not to have eaten. Fuck, that's kind of cool. I mean, I'd be impressed if you could do it for three days. That's pretty impressive. But yeah, I've heard that too a long time ago, that if you look at the sun, before it hurts your eyes, you kind of catch it in the morning, catch it as it goes down.

29:29Shane Gillis:They claim they get all the energy they need. I don't know. Who knows? Plants do it. Why can't we? It might be sun and cannabis that's giving them all the energy. Yeah, true. So the one thing I liked as well, because I'm a big fan of like, this is the part where you have like a little light primer in the book yeah yeah whenever i get into like just the physics on photons and lights and all that stuff it's honestly like the coolest not even just cool it's like oh it's like beautiful when you read about that almost on like a spiritual level when you're like damn this is this has been thought out or i don't know how personally it's like it's hard to kind of argue against you know kind of intelligent design when you read about just the way light works like it's insane like i know well i i'll be curious to get the you know again just razzle dazzle me with some light facts but the one that i have that i had recently was that i didn't realize sun so there's like the whatever hydrogen fusion or whatever in the sun particle fusion in the sun yeah the light that's on earth is trapped in the sun's core for like a hundred roughly a hundred thousand years yeah and and it just just like steps down because otherwise the gamma would just destroy us exactly but it stepped down for anywhere from like 15 ,000 to 100 ,000 years.

30:41Shane Gillis:And then once it's ready, you know, it just beams in eight seconds. Yeah. It's crazy. That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't realize any of that until I got into the book either. So light is just pure energy, right? Energy without matter, without mass. I mean, that alone is fucked up. It's like if you really get into like, you know, what is a spirit? It's like, it's literally that. I do think, I think light, and you know, you've seen like so many religions, basically i've used light as a metaphor for spirit and you do start to think it's not maybe it's not actually a metaphor at all right like maybe light is kind of like that divine force yeah um because light the time does not exist for light which is it gets really cosmic um really yeah so this is like einstein um like you know like if as we if as you we speed up closer and closer to the speed of light time slows down right they've established that like the faster you move the slower time moves for you if you could actually make it to the speed of light which you never could but um time would stop and and for light time doesn't exist it's everywhere at once that it has ever been and it's only when it like hits matter and gets absorbed into matter that it kind of like falls into time right so fucking sick but so it seems like yeah so that's crazy So if light is, like, light can't do anything on its own, right?

32:07Like, it's pure energy. It doesn't really interact with anything. It's like the Silver Surfer. Yeah. It just cruises through the universe. Then when it, like, hits, like, matter, then suddenly it's in time and it can have, like, cause and effect and that energy can start to do stuff. So then you start to think of Earth as, like, this, like, sort of, like, experiment where, like light from the sun is like being captured and is doing stuff yeah that's that's pretty wild

32:34Shane Gillis:i was doing the uh you know i have a little kid so i'm constantly doing like dad what color does this make if you mix this and uh it was it seemed so dumb but i was like genuinely mind blown when i was like like what color does green make and i was like i don't know red and yellow or no um blue and yellow and i was just like damn sunlight and water makes green for plants and i was just i was like hold on guys give me a second this is actually kind of cool but yeah that the light stuff is really amazing when you get into the physics of the the photons just like packets of energy just moving faster than we can even conceive it's literally moving faster than time which is like faster than time that's a good way of putting it yeah it's crazy and then and then you get you know it just like goes into your skin your body's like nice and you know use it's for me that kind of stuff really i think buttresses a you know uh spiritual worldview as opposed to one where it's like just all meaningless photons bouncing or whatever particles and I just I'm allergic to that worldview so this episode is brought to you by google chrome you think you know a browser but gemini and chrome that's new it can help you with practically anything on the web like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50 page restoration block or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks gemini and chrome is here for it ready to make anything online makes sense?

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34:49Yeah. But it's all sunlight like passing through, you know. It's fucking awesome.

34:55Shane Gillis:And so in this book, you know, you're basically, I guess, trying to balance out the pervasive fear of sunlight. I see it a lot too. And again, what I like about this isn't like because there's the opposite thing where it's like just go outside and just bake in the sun 24, which I've tried and it's just that's not the move. If I, again, my face hurts, if I put anything on it, it's still burning. But it's like, um, the message really is like, sun's light, it's not bad for you. Don't pig out on it. But also like, if you're just outside, even, you know, protected or never, you're, you're still absorbing its benefits.

35:30Shane Gillis:You know, you don't have to have it like kind of radiating kind of right into your skin all the time. Totally. Yeah. And I actually think that whole, like lying out on the beach for hours thing isn't good for anyone, even if you are wearing sunblock, like you just get a good, you're going to get too many too much energy yeah too many photons of energy that your molecules can't handle yeah it makes a lot of free radicals in the body um but yeah the daily doses really good um and basically hiding indoors all the time clearly really bad uh the science is like very clear so that's that was kind of where it started for me is because we had sort of gotten to this extreme place where the recommendations are never let unprotected sun touch your body use sunblock 365 days a year even if you're indoors even if you're you know it's midwinter like that's crazy that's insane you know it's genuinely insane i feel like if you're not getting burnt you're good that's like in the winter i'm not getting sunburned i don't need sun i don't need sunscreen yeah and that's what a bunch of experts have said to me and um i kind of you know tend to say like and make sure you don't get anywhere near burnt because it's easy to think you know oh i'm good and then the end of the day you're like oh yeah i'm a little pink yeah that's trust me that's it's every single day but it's nice to know now that if i wear you know one of those long sleeve lightweight shirts um i'm still out getting my daily dose that was my big thing i was like man there's something about me i always feel defeated if i i've seen people at the pool with like the a long sleeve pool shirt big brim hat and i'm just kind of like pussy pussy but now i know you're still getting all the benefits or some of the benefits not the uv but the rest yeah but how much so you're saying if i got like 10 minutes of uv a day i'm good in texas yeah i'd say i mean y 'all are blessed with some good photons yeah so that's all i need is 10 but dude i just completely i've been overdoing it like crazy i've been doing like an hour in winter an hour is probably good no summer it's like yesterday yeah a lot of down here okay your uv index is probably like pretty high like 10 yeah so you only really need and that's the timing seems to be a thing i mean people have heard this before but it's like you have to go out morning is like the best time while as it's like the sun's kind of coming up yeah especially for for somewhere like like here that you've got a lot of light to work with um yeah like an hour midday would probably be too much this time of year um but an hour in the morning is just right yeah okay nice that's i because i have a garden in my backyard and a lot of times it'll be like these plants are full sun and i put them out my backyard it's like i've learned that full sun doesn't always mean texas full sun i'm like it'll it'll wilt some of like plants that say to be sun lovers and you know so yeah yeah so that's pretty so what do you do personally how did how is like writing and researching all this stuff kind of affected you or were you kind of on the sun path before that i was um you know instinctively i was like i definitely feel better like on a cellular level when i'm getting a fair amount of light in my day um but then once i like unfortunately i was writing a lot of this book in winter in vermont and i was kind of like oh my god so you were longing for it i'm destroying myself stuck in my office um so i'm trying to figure that part of it out right now like summer perfect where i live winter i'm not going to be able to get the uv that i that i need for sure so i do um i head south yeah there's also these um i think there's a new sort of like a generation of um light devices coming out that are designed to give you a dose of uv safely and i think that's going to be part of the solution for a lot of people who can't just like you know go to the caribbean all winter yeah just sit basically just stand under that thing for like 10 minutes or whatever yeah and 10 minutes is it's even less than that um but yeah they're they're fda cleared first ones are just coming out now so yeah i think honestly um like people are going to think about their light diet the way they think about their food diet now in some ways they're going to like be a little more um intentional about what they surround themselves with.

39:52Shane Gillis:Well, that's what I'm always, again, for me, it's always about what's the quickest and easiest and freest thing you can do. Because there's so many gadgets and gizmos, and people are always looking for something. People feel like, I don't feel good. What do I just pull up your phone? You're like, yeah, you know, whatever, this powder and whatever. But the, yeah, that's why I like the sun stuff so much, because it really, really works. I can personally attest to it. And it's free. It's free, yeah. It's free for everybody. It's widely, widely abundant. yeah and free i um yesterday talked to it was actually the opposite this is kind of a fire and ice week i talked to a an ice swimmer oh yeah yeah a guy uh chris ballard wrote the book wrote a book on ice swimming and all that stuff and yeah yeah it's like one of the it's just again cold water pretty easy to come across you can just ice get a couple bags of ice start on the bathtub and sun and it's like those two things alone is like yeah they really set you up like and then just walk or run, you're kind of good.

40:48And it's actually the same thing. All that stuff, hormesis is the term they use, the exercise bros use. But any of those things that are a test for the body, but a doable test where the body's like, whew, I got to raise my game a little bit. That's really good long-term. I kind of think probably what makes for really good long-term aging has more to do with how good your body is at dealing with like little bits of damage and fixing it than like any particular like nutrient or supplement

41:19Shane Gillis:you're putting yeah i think so too man i you know just again for me the big thing is just getting outside being active yeah just at least for 30 40 minutes a day like i don't know i've i've because i've done both i've done it where i've been an indoor creature for like 90 of the day and i i feel wretched like mentally i feel horrible and then you know so that that's been my big thing of like trying to avoid becoming like human veal. That's like, that's when it's like, Oh, I might steal that phrase. This episode is brought to you by better help. Summer is a lot of fun, but it can be a lot. Summer's fun, but it can be a lot.

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43:31Shane Gillis:Guys, real quick. Oh, my God. 626, 627. I'll be at the Stardome Comedy Club, Birmingham, Alabama. That's huge. That's major. Please come. That is June 26th, 27th, the weekend after this weekend. After Father's Day, I'll be in Birmingham, Alabama. And then August 7th, I'll be in August 7th, August 8th, San Jose, California, the San Jose Improv, August 7th, August 8th. And then 8-13, 8-14, that's August 13th and 14th. I'll be at the Spokane Comedy Club, Spokane, Washington. I'll be back for, I believe, the second or third time. Yay. Jeez. Yes, please come see me. I'm going to be in Virginia next week.

44:12Alexandria, Virginia, the 24th. Charlottesville, Virginia, the 25th. Kazi's Comedy Club and Newport News the 28th. And on the 27th, I'll be in Columbia, South Carolina. So please come out to those shows. And you know where I'll be on June 23rd? Optimumnactus. Yes, here in Austin, Texas at the Creek in the Cave. Yes. Panties in the mail.

44:31Shane Gillis:No. But yeah, I get that. I've gotten to that point many times in my life and it's just, God, I feel terrible. And there's just something about, you know, especially when you're structuring your time and day and like, what am I doing? Why am I doing it? It's like there is, especially the older I get, it's like just getting outside every day is, it's like important. Like you really, really need to do it. Otherwise you get kind of cut off from like what the world actually is. Yeah. You get stuck into like the internet and your house and you know, all your bullshit. And it's like it kind of it kind of I get freaked out about how real I should say or how do I say this?

45:10Shane Gillis:The Internet is like a substitute for actual physical reality. I feel like it's getting more and more kind of pervasive where we're putting more importance on the Internet. And it's like just the world basically outside. Yeah. This is the thing I think about all the time. Yeah. It kind of freaks me out. Yeah. We're transforming into something different than we used to be. dude i i've you know i get i get a hard wake up i get hard wake up calls with it all the time because like you know i'm online i do a lot of stuff online i'm always promoting stuff and then there's like there's like you have part of your identity on the internet and you're going what do people think about me and you go okay mostly negative fuck and then like so you're like really pulling in you're like you know so i'm like i find myself trying to like mitigate this playing this like game layered on top of my actual life and it just gets like so stressful the whole point is every now and again i'll be like oh yeah it doesn't matter like that stuff genuinely doesn't matter in terms of like you know i have a family and i you know i there's like real physical beings around me but you're like clouded by this kind of just you know digital kind of thing and it's just man i the more the less i kind of engage with it the genuine like the better i feel and it helps to be like i'm just gonna go outside i'm gonna do this i'm gonna do that and it's like it's like a spider web you i mean i mean not to trap you yeah it's very bad man i don't know it's very bad and The worst part is I feel like the Internet gives you almost like it almost puts everybody.

46:32Shane Gillis:How do I say this? Like before, like, you know, if you were in the 80s and 70s and you were, you know, construction worker, there was no part of you that even considered that you could one day be famous for something. It was just wasn't you're like, no, I'll never. That's not a thing. You have to be an entertainer. The Internet, I feel like, has thrown every single person into the game where it's like, hey, man, yeah, you know, man, you could. And I just I do feel like it has totally not good effects. So I have funny just in the past 12 hours, funny experience with all that. So my book came out yesterday.

47:05Right. Huge wave of media attention. Like suddenly like interview requests are pouring down on me. So I said to my friend of mine who's like pretty website savvy. I was like, can you tweak my website? It looks a little crappy right now. Could you just tweak it for me and make it look a little better? She's like, sure. um at 1 a.m last night i got a text from her she's like i broke your website she's like i can't fix it i'm so sorry it's down apparently like some recovery link went to some administrator email i don't know we don't know who so i was like okay like the day that my website's gonna get the most hits ever it's down fuck this was yesterday this was the day at 1 a.m like a few hours ago oh man okay like this is a good test of your zen ability it is man that's the you say zen ability yeah

48:00Shane Gillis:zen ability is a highly overrated skill man you really need it to be like well fuck yeah all right what are we gonna do now i'm not there's there is this part of your mind that's like it's almost like delicious when you're like yeah i get the fucking freak out right now and you're like you have to be like not even going down that path yeah but so as you were saying it's like okay maybe it wasn't that important after all you know yeah so what did you get it fixed no it's down i'm just ignoring i can't do anything about it that's the thing man yeah you really can't it's like shit i mean uh shit yeah that must have been really stressful also at 1 a.m like okay there goes to sleep for the night well fuck i'm sorry to hear that but again it's one of those things where i don't know it'll get fixed and then it is what it is when i when i did my last comedy special i uh i had two shows on friday two shows saturday and i was gonna just you know see which was the best show at all four you have a lot of chances to get it right basically so i had four chances to do it first night shows were good but i was like i didn't feel like that was the one saturday i'm like all right i got two more chances feeling good about it uh that morning yeah it was that morning of the show Saturday I had to film something for the intro so I had to wear this kind of like camera rig thing on me it was like a POV and I leaned forward too fast and the camera thing put it like literally cut my head it was bleeding for hours but then the problem was now I couldn't splice if I had like a great if I had like a good take from one so those two others were rendered mute where I was like I can't use these so now and then I remember there was just like a bunch of people there just put it on makeup on my head camera different light and they went back and forth maybe 15 times it was like a collective freak out for an hour and a half right before i was about to go on and i just remember being like guys just stop it's okay i appreciate you working hard but like it is what it is it's it's like we're just going to deal with it and figure it out there's let's all just stop freaking out and just move on because you can really get caught in that like anxiety freak out loop we could have stayed in it up until the minute i walked down on stage i remember just being like fuck it guys let's just do it who who cares who cares yeah and it went great it was fine i remember it almost for me it was kind of freeing to be like i it's just like i was like that's what i whenever i try to take anything remotely serious i i tend to get reminders just from like circumstance where it's just kind of like dude shut up just go do your thing so right now that was a i remember just kind of laughing being like of course i fucking smacked my head on a camera today this is this is kind of more this is just what i do yeah a friend of mine who's a photographer for the new york times um so he's had a pretty good career but at some point he's kind of like this is who cares right yeah so he just he has this thing he says whenever anything comes up he's like just remember we are animals and we made this all up that's a great it comes in handy it really does damn that's amazing actually that's really good i'm gonna use that on my wife right so it can backfire on you which he freaks out like we are just animals we're making it all up so let's do what animals do babe how about you forget about that

51:12Shane Gillis:so what um so what's next for you man are you so you're on you're on the big you're on the book tour moving around what do you what do you got on the horizon what are you what are you thinking about doing so i am um a couple of things i'm trying to decide which way to go i'm waiting for a sign right um so one of them is kind of what we were talking about like the more you think about light then you start thinking about energy and you start thinking about us as you know rather than just like piles of molecules we're basically like this flow of energy like like a standing wave of energy yeah sense um and does have like the spiritual aspect to it and there's some really interesting new science coming out around that it's like hard science but i think there could be a really fun just like easy mainstream book about that concept so you're going quantum you're thinking exactly yeah now's the time i was thinking the title could be could be quantum me right and i could just experiment self-experiment i mean i i'm i'm no stranger to like the uh just a lot of different spirituality books and stuff and a lot of them tend to just dabble a lot of them they borrow from quantum elements to be like hey you know that would mean we could be two places at once you know and you're like what the fuck you're serious totally the entanglement stuff yeah that You can apply that to so many different things in life.

52:24So you've been sneakily researching quantum, basically just quantum properties.

52:28Shane Gillis:Yeah, I love that stuff. Is it quantum or is it more just like your body as a non-physical or energy, whatever? It is. It's all quantum mechanics because like down at that basic subatomic level, it's all about electrons and photons interacting. And, you know, for the physicists, they figured this out 100 years ago that like energy and matter are like two sides of the same coin. biologists like learned this yesterday it seems like they missed it for a hundred years but now they're like oh we need to think about magnetism and energy and how all these things like change the stuff that we are so yeah it's hard stuff but it's um but that's why i think there's like the light version of it would be could make a really good book that is cool yeah but then the other thing when you're you know a bit of a contrarian you write a contrarian book and And everyone's like, you're an idiot.

53:17You're so wrong. And you're like, I might be wrong, but I might not be wrong. Yeah. And then you have to figure out, how do I know if I'm wrong or not? So anyway, I think it would be really fun to write a book. And this would be a book, I think 99 % audience would be dudes. It would be the title. You're in the right place right now. This is a very dude-heavy environment. When you are right and everyone else is wrong, right? That would be the title. That's great. Like a field guide to unrecognized genius. but it would be tongue in cheek yeah yeah yeah here's how to know if you are a genius or if

53:50Shane Gillis:you're just entirely wrong how would you how would you summarize that then because there's a lot of people who have been right that a lot of other people you know like a lot of the advanced like germ theory is the biggest one or one of the biggest that's one of the best examples guy died in an insane asylum so many of them they got it right no one ever recognized them so yeah and and they often kill themselves shit on them like actively shit on them to the point where they and they end up killing themselves. God, who's the guy, Girdle, the mathematician, starved himself to death. He apparently, and I still have tried to read about it a million times, but he proved that math, the axioms, mathematics were founded upon, contradicted the mathematics themselves, which just like they wanted math to be this like concrete physical reality that like they wanted to take it almost away from like, they didn't want anything kind of like airy about it like no this is hard physical science and he kind of out of nowhere was like yeah no it's not improved it using their own axioms and then they were like fuck you dude and he just starved himself to death yeah but apparently everyone's like yeah fuck he was right it sucks to be the the guy who's right but totally ostracized for it like yeah couldn't be worse but anyway so yeah so part of it would be looking at all those examples through history and like can we recognize a pattern so we can start getting better at recognizing these people yeah um and then the flip side would be like how do we how do we tell when you're full of shit like how do you tell when you're full of shit well the fun flip side is just going through the there's i mean there's got to be no shortage of people who are like i got this and then it just turned out they're one million percent all of us yeah and we're almost always wrong right so that's the thing how do you so is there a better or faster way of figuring out figuring out you're wrong yeah and except for that one time when you actually did get it right yeah the problem too is that because i've seen i forget what i was watching but i was watching uh not even a debate people were just like talking one of those youtube videos where they they kind of reference that whole thing about how like everything we know now will be wrong for the most part and you know and yeah how do we kind of accelerate that or factor that in it's like you really can't you just have to like wait till you definitely know you're wrong i'm like all right see so that's what i'm wondering is there a better you know a better algorithm them yeah also it would just be you know fun like all you know your uncle who is certain that he's always always right yeah it's good gift for the uncle yeah that that would be a that actually just the title alone they'll probably be like yep put it down it's basically a beach read for dudes yeah i remember uh i mean it's slightly related but i i grew up doing construction like a lot of family family construction businesses and uh i i remember my my job this one time was like i had to run a tamper and compact dirt and gravel i had to get i think it was like a 97 compaction rate that's what i needed so i'm going over like 93 92 95 and my a lot of my uncles are just you know done construction for a long time so like there's a thing with construction workers and engineers where construction workers will be like you don't know shit man like they do it every time like you just fucking you don't know you you couldn't possibly use your book smarts to like you know your blueprints are wrong there's like there's always they're always going back and forth so there's just this young kid he was he was the engineer probably intern and he's just he had every time i would compact it he had to stick this probe down into it and measure the compaction rate i remember my uncle just stood over him the whole time and be like so dumb what are you doing and it was kind of just like going back and forth and eventually i remember him be like you're never going to get 97 just like he was like i know for a fact you're never going to get 97 and then And I remember I ran the tamper like backwards across the thing.

57:27Shane Gillis:And then we ended up getting 97. He was just like, that thing's dumb. But there's the point is that, yeah, as you get older, there's a I would say almost a sexual pleasure in being right. I'm telling you, dude, all of my my dads, if you talk to my dads or any of my uncles, huge chance they're going to hit you with a story about a time they were right and the other guy was wrong. And it's just it's just a five minute story where in the end, like, yeah, so, yeah, I was fucking right. so absolutely it's a guy thing it is it's awesome telling a story about a time you were right is it's a fun it's such an insane premise right right but yeah so yeah you just you want to be the one who bucked all the idiots and got proven like instinctually right somehow but it's those people are rarer than you gotta be alive for that's the thing that kills me i always read about these guys that like i always think of emerson he was out in the woods just writing about stuff everyone's like what a fucking dumbass like this is the worst guy ever and then it just just 200 years later or whatever they're like that's this guy's a genius and almost all the like the geniuses are told they're wrong so it's like how can we spot those guys faster i don't think you can because i feel like once you even start looking for it and you're like yeah we're it'll just be more just my it'll just be more groupthink and then it'll be a fake genius and so groupthink basically it's like i hate groupthink yeah i absolutely fucking hate it um and you see it everywhere you see scientific institutions are some of like the worst examples of groupthink yeah you know no it's it's it's really bad i i mean i i luckily it was like a cool experience i don't know if i really did anything with it but i got to go back to school in my 30s i went back i got a master's in social work which was like you know i would say save your 50 grand whatever but it's just dude dude anyone anyone you can go get one anyone can get one you can go get a masters in social work if you basically it's whatever but i remember just as an adult going back to school and really seeing those dynamics at play in terms of group think where it's like it'd be a question that you could literally say anything and they'd be like huh i've never considered like they would it wasn't like biology they're like wrong and i just yeah no one would raise their hands ever like ever and then to be like just to there were certain you know things that if you said the place would spaz and like i just i just watched in real time people just be like i'm just gonna just agree and just get along and uh yeah it's kind of terrifying when you think about it i would say 85 percent of people it might be even 90 would just be like i don't even don't even bother me with thinking i just i just want everyone to be cool and i'm just going to just sit back and chill and let people dictate what's going on for me yeah and the internet and ai like it becomes harder to be an outlier like it'll find the group will find you now like yeah it's harder to escape the group than it used to be yeah i can see that so did those uh social work skills so do you use those for for stand-up for interviews do you use those in your daily life it was useful that way you know what it was useful for i uh i had i was like about to have a kid um right when i went to social work school and i got like there while there i got definitive proof that you're not supposed to leave your kid in the crib to cry it out that's like that common folk wisdom like let them cry it out they'll be fine they're like that's bad it doesn't work and just like definitely don't hit your kids if you can help it and i remember just being like all right those are two actually decent facts that i have you know on the record because you hear it all the time they're like they'll be fine let them cry down and you know i and i oh you know if i had to like tap into my collective wisdom of like family and friends they'd be like yeah it's totally fine then i remember at school they're like no that's just the baby giving up and you're like fuck that's so sad god damn that's so sad i mean i remember that i remember those sleepless nights being like we can't let them cry it out same here like it is hard to hear that like oh every instinct your body is like go rescue that yeah yeah and you can do like two minutes of here and there but when they're just like let them do it it's just like yeah it's not it's not good not a good thing so i got that from it but hey thank you and then i i also for me it was just cool where i was like it's just like a personal thing where I remember being like oh this is like this is a master's I thought I was going to be around like literal geniuses because I was like master this is like a step away from doctors and like doctors or you know and I it was for me it was kind of like a peek behind the curtain where I was like okay academia is not the uh you know it's there's a lot of smart people obviously in different fields doing a lot of stuff and even in that field I'm sure but I remember thinking like oh it's like a it was like a self-limiting belief kind of thing where I was like, I couldn't possibly hang around.

1:02:02Shane Gillis:You know, I was thinking it was like, I don't know. I just thought people would be like brilliant beyond belief. And it's like, no, a lot of these people at the top of certain things are, there's some very, very smart people. A lot of them are just pretty normal too. And it's, you know, so for me, it was kind of like, oh, you can kind of, you can do anything. Yeah. I've had that experience a few times too. I kind of feel like, like the process of maturity and adulthood is just getting to each stage and going like, oh, everyone here is just as dumb as I am. right so i may as well do this stuff because like that was that you just summed up my answer it was ever i was like okay everyone's pretty fucking dumb too that's good i thought i was right i thought i was going to be around like perfect people and then it was just like yeah no this is this is a mess yeah every level yes oh nope not here either it's every every rock i lift i go yeah a bunch of idiots more idiots great yeah so but no man i'm excited for you i i can't wait I'm going to finish this I cracked into it last night and I highly recommend in defense of sunlight it's uh again I like the cold water stuff too I'm big on the cold and it's you know almost like people can watch it online and they're like oh more stuff about it's like just try it that's the big thing it's like actually try it it's super simple I think to put into place and I don't know there's no downside it's like go outside now now for me it's like I can be outside in the shade and I'm thinking about little green photons hitting my skin, amazing.

1:03:28Shane Gillis:I'm going, yeah, I am fucking peaceful now. This stuff works. And so I think this is a great book. I appreciate you writing it. Is there anything else you have to say? Any more razzle-dazzle facts or insights? I mean, the oyster shit killed me. I can't wait. I can't wait to talk about that. All right. This is a terrible thing to leave everyone with. But I was just looking at a bunch of studies showing that citrus consumption raises your risk of skin cancer. Okay, hold on. i saw that so uh i said there was in the attached emails i thought they were like talking points i read it i'm like i can't i can't understand the goddamn so they were saying citrus yeah what yeah i skimmed it being like he's probably just saying citrus is good for you so citrus is linked to skin cancer it's linked to skin cancer by multiple studies so what do you what do you take from that i eat fewer grapefruits these days really this is what i take from it what it's the combination yeah if i'm gonna know i'm gonna get a bunch of sun i won't eat like a grapefruit dude i just planted a lime and lemon tree and kumquats there's this thing called margarita burn that like people is well known like people go you know really they go to the tropics and pound the margaritas and then they get extra fried the next day what from all the citrus from all the citrus yeah but then if you don't have this vitamin c you get scurvy well right right it'll keep you from scurvy okay but you're saying you won't get you definitely won't get scurvy that's good but they're saying vitamin c can with sun can it's not the vitamin c it's this thing called sorolens that are in the citrus oh fuck yeah that sucks i think i think a little is fine but don't pound that whole bag of oranges maybe i'm dude look i'll be honest i'm not worried about skin cancer I'm really not.

1:05:16Shane Gillis:It doesn't seem like that big of a deal. Not many people die of skin cancer. That's what I'm saying. All the other cancers, you die so much more frequently. Colon cancer, breast cancer. Bad. Those are bad. Lung cancer, the biggie. Eesh, that'd be terrible. Yeah, my dad has skin cancer. They just blasted his face with lasers. Yeah. We were calling him Michael Jackson for a while. Yeah, I mean, it's no fun. We shouldn't downplay it too much. I mean, I'm going to downplay it. I'll be honest. I'm going to fucking downplay it. He's downplaying it. Not me. Yeah, you're not allowed. I'm going to fucking downplay it.

1:05:46Shane Gillis:I get white spots on me every now and again. I go, yeah, photons. Who gives a shit? Let them fucking in there. I'll heal it up. I always tell myself by the time I need to they'll have a cure for that. I'll be fine.

1:05:58Shane Gillis:Well, dude, I hope your website gets back in order. Yeah, me too. And I appreciate the insight. That thing of just we're animals. We made all this stuff up. That's my new mantra, honestly. That's amazing. Well, thanks for having me. This was... Dude, thank you for coming, Ron. I appreciate you. All right. Watch new episodes of Matt and Shane's secret podcast on Spotify. Do it.