Ep 638 - Beef Raised Right (feat. Mason 'Bric' LaDue)

23:01It's like a retail hospice. The kiosk guys aren't even passionate no more. No, dude.

23:09Shane Gillis:Yeah, they're not even trying to run out and do one of your nails or whatever. I would think the kiosk guys would be bought. I mean, all the fake jewelry, this is their time. I know. And they're just not in. They just don't give a fuck. They're not the hearts in it, man. Every mall that I grew up going to, if I go there now, it's either shut down or you go in there and you're like, dude, what the fuck is this? It's like discount like 70 % off. Yeah. Baby clothes. No, it's like, it'll be like, you can go. Most of the stores that I've seen are like, it'll be like a Chinese lady that sells like books, video games, CDs, and like bamboo little plants.

23:43Shane Gillis:Who the fuck is this for? Who's coming here to purchase? Like those little waterfall plant things. It's like, what the fuck is this place? Yeah. Yeah. Jin Lee got in a little dust up in the mall. He fought a bunch of kids in the mall. That's a Dallas thing, man. Yeah. Jin Lee's a Dallas. Yeah. He's a Dallas. He's a true Dallas trap white. He's a true trap white. That's the new category, trapper white. I was a trap white. You were a trap white. I was a trap white. That's so funny. I understand Gin Lee. Yeah. Dude, Gin Lee fucking does. I didn't go to the in-bombs. Yeah, you didn't go all the way in.

24:16No, that's a little crazy. Yeah, that's - Teach its own.

24:20Shane Gillis:True. True. Not for me. Yeah, I mean, it's a lifestyle for sure. Yeah, that's a true choice. I knew a couple white guys, like, back when I was, like, up to my no good era. I remember meeting, like, the, like, real trapper white guys. And they were just, and we were just roll off their tongue. East Coast, it's a thing. Yeah, they would just roll it off their tongue. Look at Fat Joe. Yeah. Well, yeah, he's Puerto Rican, so. See, but that. It's a question. It's question marked. It's question marked. These guys were just, like, crusty, grimy white guys. Oh, yeah. And they were just, like, they were, you'd be like, hey, what's up, man?

24:56Shane Gillis:Or is this what we're doing now? What the fuck's going on? They're more from a, like, what are you going to do about it perspective. I don't think they even fucking think about it. I think they're just like, what? I definitely know a lot more East Coast trap whites. That's just part of their vocab. Down South, it's a little bit more, like, there's a little bit more, it's more touchy feels. Yeah, a little more charge down here. You notice that with the stand-up. You bring up race stuff sometimes in the South. And we're like, oh, damn. Yeah, they're like, hey, man, what are you, next, next. I don't want to think about it.

25:24Shane Gillis:Yeah. Although I feel like the South is, I mean, it's definitely more integrated than the Midwest. The Midwest, oh my, dude, the Midwest is so segregated. I can see that. I was in Milwaukee this weekend. Dude, Chicago is like, I've never seen anything like it. Well, despite pre-George Floyd, I always said Minneapolis was the racist place I've ever been. Yeah. They hate, the venues up there used to fucking hate to see us coming when we toured. Really? Oh, yeah. And we're like, at this time I'm touring with Wiz. And I was like, bro, we're just smoking mad weed. Like, we're doing it. And they would just be just real just firm with us.

26:00And you would hear stuff like at the venues, you know, you get in there at load in and, you know, all the crew members are getting dispersed for their job for the night. And, like, I was standing there and I guess they didn't know I was part of the road crew. And this lady walks by to the sound engineer and goes, ha-ha, you have the rap show tonight. I'm just like, bro, we fucking sold 10 ,000 tickets. Like, what the fuck?

26:24Shane Gillis:Comedy clubs do that a lot. Really? A lot of, yeah. There's a lot of talk. They'll be like, yeah, it's a bit of an urban crowd last weekend. They'll try to beat around the bush. They'll beat around the bush with you. Yeah. They'll really beat around the bush with you and be like, oh, yeah. We're really glad to see you. It's a great sociological experiment to travel the United States visiting, like, 500 to 2 ,500 person rooms. That's the true core of America. Yeah. That's who's like, like the, like you see the regions like, you know, like Pacific Northwest, that's a different type of fellow up there, you know, and then like the South and then like, these are all like, like these people are all so different.

27:09And it's like even how they watch a show, what they do after the show, during the show, it's all different. Like, I'd have to say the Midwest probably got the most fucked up at shows. Really? They got the most tore up. Yeah.

27:23Shane Gillis:Yeah, dude. Nothing else to do. True. I was leaving the show in Milwaukee, and this car, I'm, like, walking past. There's, like, a parking lot. This car pulls out, and this one guy opens the door and goes, Holy shit, you're the, yeah, I know that guy. And they're fucking shit-faced driving. And the one guy opens the door in the back and goes, Who are you? How does he know you? And the driver just goes, he's a barstool legend. And they just kept screaming, he's a barstool legend. How do you feel about barstool? That's who he is. Like, you're a fucking barstool legend. And just drove fucking hammered screaming.

28:03All like misplaced Grand Theft audio characters, bro.

28:07Shane Gillis:He's a barstool legend. I remember we did. My favorite thing all weekend. Did you ever do Knitting Factory in Spokane? No. Okay. I think it's the knitting factory in Spokane. Well, Spokane is a spooky town. Spokane is fucking... I was just there. Really? Yes. So you know what happened to them? They were like a train, you know, a railroad town. That dried up. So some fucking person in the 90s went, what if we just turned our city into like a massive hub for bus stops from all over the area? So that's why they... Yes. That's why it's so fucked up. So many transient fucking weirdos there. No offense to Spokane listeners.

28:47Shane Gillis:Dude, I talk about it all the time. I'm like, you guys should fucking murder that lady or whoever came up with that idea. It was like a city council person. That was a stop. You didn't get war mode on that shit. We're going to import weirdos from everywhere. Dude, it's like. It is a very spooky town. It's crazy. It's fucking nuts there. And they have, I think, Gonzaga's right there too. Really? Yeah. That's Bellingham, I thought. Was that right there though? It's right there. I didn't believe it. And I looked it up, and it's like maybe right next to you. And Gonzaga's a groovy college. Yeah, Gonzaga's a super nice place.

29:21Shane Gillis:And then you just, like, walk, and you see it. It's like 14 benches in a row with, like, a big building, and it's just a bunch of different, like, Peter Pan, Greyhound, just the best and the brightest. I was sitting outside of the venue in Spokane, and two dudes got kicked out in the big bathroom. They were like, yeah, they were doing coke in the bathroom. And the guys turned around and were like, we weren't doing coke in the bathroom. We're gay. We were having sex. You're going to prejudice for having gay sex? And I was like, that's a crazy pivot. You'd rather be gay than coke? I know. You really want to see the concert.

29:54Yeah. That time I was touring with Yellow Wolf. Nice. There was a Yellow Wolf crowd at that. Yeah. Wild. Yellow Wolf, he's an interesting cat. Is he really? I don't really know much about him. He was one of the first really white rappers from down south that was really kicking ass. He's good. He's got a crazy following. We were doing super sold-out shows. He's a wild man. He's a true Johnny Cash wild man type. That's pretty cool. Pretty cool dude. Had a lot of fun. I was touring with him. I had signed a group from Dallas I was trying to break. It was terrible on that end, but the tours were fun because yellow was the man yeah yeah yeah what is it like what have you noticed in terms of like

30:42Shane Gillis:the life of a white rapper versus like a black rapper and like what is it what is it like for a white guy is it just i mean my only perspective is my perspective and like i very rarely like really i had more problems with like office people in new york yeah the riff the riff i saw was being dumb down south texan trying to go do business with those guys in new york in the offices yeah that was the only real like racial thing i saw like like paul you know paul wall he moves freely about you know just like i think once you get to that certain stage of artistry like like there's no challenge yeah nobody really gives a shit i was around post malone in the very very beginning and people viscerally reacted negatively to his uh you know i had to do a lot of like defending him like physically you know really really yeah because you kind of did you what you connected him with wiz khalifa early on well so me and wiz uh were wiz was doing like a lot of like dj gigs so it kind of had and this was kind of like in music when like a lot of like one-hit wonders for lack of better words were popping up yeah like that up on a tuesday song travis scott had mama cita that and like all these guys were kind of new young thug was on fire and uh so we're constantly like digging the crates per se to find these songs for whiz to play like alongside whiz he's like i need i want to break new music he didn't want to just play club hits right he wanted to use the platform for like new new shit you know and so we were constantly just trying to find new shit and then white iris and came about and uh basically just like i think we found it on soundcloud like like soundcloud's algorithm just threw it in front of whoa and uh it was real melodious i mean it was a great song and so i was like wow and it was also pretty different from anything that's out and i i knew that one of the producers on it from uh from atlanta his name was fki at first and he was quite established he had done stuff with um travis porter uh you know like all these atlanta guys so i was like okay so this has some legs and the song was pretty unique and then i started looking into it well the song had like 300 plays when it came across our SoundCloud and I played it and I started, I'm just sitting on the laptop.

32:57I was like, it's kids from Dallas. So I was like, oh, white kid, Dallas, gold teeth, braids. Like, yeah, this is emulating. You know what I mean? Yes. You know what I mean? And so I remember I told Wiz, he's a guy at words. I go, hey, I'm going to play this song for you. You should play it tonight. It's this kid from Dallas. And like his back's to me. He's like, I'm not playing it because it's your friend. I was like, no, no, I don't know this guy. and so he we played it and he was like oh my god and so like uh we recorded the video of whiz playing it in the club that night and posted it to twitter and then like mac miller hit us up like what is this like oh that was a good example of like white rappers moving around like mac miller like yeah you know like he had no qualms everyone loved that guy yeah i didn't know if it was like a

33:44Shane Gillis:just a thing at first like getting established i guess that's what maybe in the very very beginning but like by the time you're kind of like out on the road with a following like yeah all that also too i think it's pretty brutal for everybody i'll never forget i used to work with this guy and uh we were doing demolition he like came to my house he was just grabbing some weed and then mine i was like i happened to be living next to this older guy that i just worked with it just literally was a coincidence and he had these kids and his one kid was like i'd put out like a record and I remember my friend comes over and they're all in the car like, yeah, this is our kids, you know, he's playing a song, like showing it.

34:21Shane Gillis:My friend stuck his head in, literally stuck his head in the car in the window listening, went, man, that shit's fucking trash and then walked into my house and I was like, that was so rude, dude. Yeah, that's basically the internet. He was the first Instagram comment. Yeah, that shit's fucking trash and I'm like, dude, they're my neighbors. Why did you just do that to them? That shit sucked. Mr. YouTube. That's who that was. It was just like, dude, they're celebrating. No, it was just really – so I guess it's just, yeah, it's probably tough all around until you're established. And so Post had – he had a lot of visceral reactions, and then the culture vulture crap was real big and appropriate, all these terms that didn't exist in my world.

35:01I never heard these. No one damn sure ever said those to me. So I kind of just took them under my wing, like, hey, I believe in you. You're a good kid. If anybody says anything crazy to you, give me a call. you know i mean i just kind of big bro'd him a little bit and uh and it worked well like man uh i think like artists like that are magical and like i hate saying like i discovered them in here because like i think it's just like already in the clouds what's going to happen right right it's a destiny fulfilled at that point right but here's the right place right time i do sometimes wonder without the uh firm fisticuffs that i've laid down would it have been so easy for him.

35:40What was and what were some of the fisticuffs? Charlamagne the God got him on Breakfast Club. And I mean, I remember dressed him down. And I flew up there next week and made sure like that wasn't cool, bro. What'd he say? Not too much.

35:56Shane Gillis:Dude, and you bitch Charlamagne. You're just so fucking cool. Fuck. And then DJ Academics DJ Academics had some crazy shit. I caught him in an elevator. He's always talking shit. Yeah, I caught him in an elevator at 300 Records in New York, and I just, and he's a little dude, too. Really? Oh, yeah. I caught him in an elevator. I go, I just looked at him. I said, you need to quit talking about posts like that because, like, you know what could happen right now. And he just was like, and I just walked out. Damn. I was like a tier one operator. I was just like, but that was happy. I just was like, I texted him.

36:34I was like, bro, I just happened to be in the elevator with this clown.

36:37Shane Gillis:you know what I mean? Dude, that's hilarious. You know, and like everything's about, like, I didn't really realize how much of the entertainment internet stuff was making these guys money. Like, the academics and all these guys. Like, I'm a huge pro wrestling fan so like now, Hindsight 2020, I was pretty passionate about Post and protecting them. I probably would have done things eloquently but still pretty firm with those guys because they had a chance to fuck them over, you know, before anything. Yeah. I wouldn't cool. I don't, I've never been cool with that. Yeah. He's also such a talented dude.

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37:47Shane Gillis:Rates may vary. Hey, everybody. It's me, LaMare. Please, please come hang out at these shows. The Optimum Doctors every first and third Tuesday at the Creek in the Cave. And then also, I'll be in Indianapolis on the 8th for Let's Fest. and then I'll be in Marion, Illinois on October 10th for Little Egypt Festival. That should be a hoot. And then at the end of the month, I'm going to be all the way, oh, New Orleans on October 21st. Yeah. And then in Florida, in Jacksonville at the River City Comedy on Thursday the 29th and in Orlando at Alex's Underground on the 31st. Please hang out. I'm really not fun.

38:30We better try stuff.

38:32Shane Gillis:Also, guys, I'll be in Charlotte, North Carolina, October 9th. Then Jacksonville, Florida. I got Atlanta, Chattanooga, Fort Lauderdale, Tampa, Orlando. The big one, Newark, New Jersey. That's I don't know why they're just this is a humiliation ritual. It's like a 3000 seater. Baltimore, Maryland, Columbus, Ohio, Cincinnati, San Diego and Sacramento. Please go to Matt McCusker dot com. Thank you. there's like a real funny like reddit internet conspiracy that like compared us like our trajectories and uh what's the internet what's the anime term what's it called destiny swapped destiny swap yeah they're saying they're saying that i got destiny swapped with them it's pretty funny that's really i mean it is what it is hold on but here's the thing though dude i mean being on the fucking ranch after all that kind of rules dude like let's be honest it was my original like life plan i was a ranch management major in college it's what my family does i always knew i was gonna wind up back there what i didn't think i was gonna happen was have like a 15 year detour in music yeah and i had a lot of fun i met a ton of great people and it went up and down up and down trials and tribulations right i don't know if i would i can't say i wouldn't change a thing because there's a lot of times these days where i damn near have tears in my eyes how happy I am living now and I was like damn I sure wish I wouldn't have just committed to this 20 years ago and I could be so further along right that makes sense I was telling that to I was confiding it to one of my cowboy buddies and he goes shoot man you might have got burnt out on the cowboy shit and started trying to rap at 40.

40:13Shane Gillis:I mean that perspective is a motherfucker and that's well the thing with entertainment is it's like when you're even if you're not in it there's this idea that like it's almost like a spaceship where you're like you're transported to this like fantastical level of yeah like you're just like forever transported to this level of bliss and but in reality i feel like it can get very stressful very high stakes man very high stakes and it's like you know it goes away all of it all of it always goes away at some point and that leaves people sad and dejected and it's like whereas crashing into a ranch and being outside in nature all day with like just what the doctor ordered man dude that's what i'm saying it's like i it's it's i understand the you know the the reasoning of like oh it'd be so sick to just keep leveling up in entertainment it's like i don't know man versus riding around the way i looked at it dude was that's not what god put a ceiling on that for me because that's not what i'm was here to do yeah that doesn't mean it was bad experience it doesn't mean it was a mistake Like, it just means, I feel like if I had my hands and discovered one of the most internationally known musicians and I got dirt shit for it, that's a sign, not that someone screwed me over, but it's also a sign from God, like, this ain't for me.

41:31Go find what's for you. Yeah. And, like, this is something that, you know, we'd be on tour and we'd pass by a passion, but it'd be like, Brick, what kind of cows are those out there? You know, it's just something everyone always knew. Damn, that's so sick. And like in 2019 was my last tour with Wiz. And like that last tour, everyone knew. I was like, I'm not doing this shit anymore. I'm going to the ranch.

41:52Shane Gillis:Yeah. And so it was like kind of like a good, it was a great tour because it was 20, it was the 2009 tour, which was currency and Wiz. So they reunited. It was a 10 year anniversary. That's like my whole musical family. It felt like a high school reunion for like 56 straight nights. And it was like the perfect, it was the quarterback winning the Super Bowl. and I'm retiring. That's awesome. You know what I mean? Yeah. So then I did another tour with Yellow Wolf. But like a true athlete goes sign with a bullshit team for like the last really. Now, Yellow Wolf's not bullshit. So what was it like transitioning to like full-time ranch life from that?

42:29Shane Gillis:What was it like? A lot of rekindling with like people that I've had in my life that I wasn't really on the forefront with and a lot of reacclimating. I've always been around horses. I've got like family friends that are Olympic show jumpers, professional polo players and uh you know big in the horses so i've always been on the back of a horse since i could remember yeah um and uh it just there's a lot of re-acclimation and a lot of like you know when you're learning something to learn it and then you're learning something because you're passionate about it yeah and and like i i switched the gears from like playing catch up to learn stuff to learn it and then you start soaking things up to be that you're passionate about and it just you just the revolutions become more you just have these like epiphanies daily and that's like like wow now i know what it is to live in your calling yeah you have these like explosions of like gratitude of effectiveness of ability and all these and it just comes together and it's natural and it just is like man this must be like what fucking kobe felt like shooting a jump shot yeah you know it's just like of course i'm on earth to do this dumbass you know yeah and uh and so it just is a lot of that and then you learn you hit a certain stage for me it was like oh i look like a fucking idiot oh everyone knows oh i have you know all this i don't have my legs or whatever and then you get to the point where like everyone out here this is everyone's first fucking september 27th you know so like everyone's out here's fucking willy in it and free and trying to figure it out and and they might have a rhythm better than you at this certain point but like it really like killed my ego and that's when like you really start growing and i think even if it killed my ego it would have told me yes keep on this path or no your ego is now killed but this is not for you yeah yeah somewhere else you know i mean yeah so like it just to like walk in that every day is like uh you're like i'm all in you know i mean and it's a it's a lifestyle commitment and i can see like some people get infatuated with the look but like it's you know like i was i was talking to the little mayor i was like what do i wear this thing you know but like this is what i wear every day you know so why would i wear anything different yeah yeah and just like if i was on the road doing music you know i'd walk in wearing what i'd wear on my off day on the road you know so yeah and honestly i mean there's there's not a group if you ask any profession of any any especially with dudes and probably chicks too but being like oh he's a cowboy now.

45:03Shane Gillis:Everyone's going to go, yes. Fuck. That's so yellowstone. Yeah. Or just, or there's big, that's sick. Like no one in the world is going to be like, he's doing what? Yeah. They're going, damn, that's I'm, I'm fucking gay for not being a cowboy. Yeah. That's how I feel. And if I meet when I'm like, fuck, I haven't got like, you know, as far as a lot of people wonder, I think I kept it hidden. My frustrations, like, you know, the, like the post debacle thing was a big pillar, you know, for sure. And, um, I think I hid the L I took on that pretty well. I mean, I basically kind of compromised myself in industry for him.

45:36And, like, I went around and made sure I was compromised. For, like, you know, I just was just, you know, I was really passionate about making sure he didn't get bullied and fucked over and probably went a little too hard. Yeah. And so, like, I kind of looked back, like, man, like, that was all kind of, like, to no avail, whatever. But I still met, like, a lot of good people. so I mean it is like to me I just feel like like when you walk your line like you're gonna encounter people and that same thing is gonna happen to you every day until you like complete it right yeah and it's gonna come in different shapes and forms whether you're a cowboy or on the road yeah or whether you're an artist

46:14Shane Gillis:or a comedian so I think it's cool too also to have such a wide kind of breadth of life experience absolutely where it's like and I'm sure the guys you work with are like dude that's fucking sick oh yeah I don't run into too many like you know like I was like people were like you know wow what the hell just like how you started like what you know i mean and and like now i'm getting like real passionate into like you know making good beef and like feeding families dude i'm not lying that steak and i'm not just gassing you up because you know you get steak i i get it from the farmer's market here it's all pretty fresh it's all good i fired one of those uh salt pepper and butter and was like what the it was fantastic it's all What type of cow do you guys do?

46:52It's a Akaushi. So I run Akaushi, which is a Japanese breed. It's not Wagyu. So what I've been told and what the general nomenclature is is that all Akaushi is Wagyu, but not all Wagyu is Akaushi.

47:07Shane Gillis:Okay. So Akaushi was like, quote, the emperor's breed. It was never supposed to leave Japan. It was raised on a mountain region, the Osso mountain regions. How long did you get them from? There was an importing loophole in the 90s that brought seven over. And from seven, they've expanded the breed. How many head of cattle do you got? Well, you know, it's not appropriate. You don't talk about the head of cattle. My bad. You don't want cattle feed. I got one too many. How about that? Fuck! That's so fucking cool.

47:42God damn it. I got one too many. You want one?

47:47God damn it. I tried to be a cowboy before. 30 seconds. We're a pretty formidable operation. That's cool. You know, and we stay busy. I mean, we're good. You know, I mean, like so is that really like kind of like a it is my bad, my great uncle Gober, you know, everyone has been victim of it. You don't know until you get told. Right. So you never ask is in play. But then you're like one too bad at the same time. Like the same time, like I'll go work for a ranch and like the first thing out of my mouth is like, how many of these motherfuckers we got to do today? So it gets broken pretty quick, you know?

48:25Shane Gillis:And is that just out of like, you just never want anyone to know how many you have? It's just like, how much money you got? Yeah, I got you. You know what it's equivalent to? Is people seeing your Patreon subscribers. Yeah, I try to hide that as well as we could. And assuming like$5 a month, no. Say no more. Patreon takes 95%. Y 'all don't know that. I know. It keeps going up. Yeah. Yeah, Patriot takes it all. Damn, I'm so happy. Now that I know that, I can't wait to. The best way to act on a ranch is to be eager to learn with also shutting the fuck up. Yeah. How often do you have to kick guys off the ranch?

49:05Shane Gillis:I'm sure this guy's done. Oh, I've worked. I mean, we had a herd manager that would be like, had a good night last night. And I'm like, yeah, man, you look a little hungover. You can go home. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Or an old guy would be like, you forget your razor today? You know, and be like, go shave. Damn. Or some people have like a strict no cussing policy. Yeah. You don't cuss on their property. Wow. And that stuff. And now that's pretty hard ass. Yeah. You know? But for the most part, like, to me, like, you think it's like a team effort where everyone's like, I'm over here. Hey. Yeah. Make left, right.

49:43I'm running point. Dude, you shut up. you know and whatever happens happens you're supposed to just have this like skill skillful level you're talking about driving them yeah just anything working with cattle is pretty like non-verbal with people really people we work with so like what's the formation is it like someone

49:59Shane Gillis:up top someone it's like a sweep so like so like let's just like for for easy methods it's a big square pasture and you'll have we'll we'll trot out in a single file line and the guy whose pasture it is or whose property it is drops people off uh usually the shittier people are dropped along a fence line so they can use the fence line as a right way and some of your better people are going to be in the middle it's not always like that but it's just kind of for a cleaner sweep and then y 'all basically just you just kind of move like a grater like a human grater through the really all at once and you're you're like whistling back and forth to see where your next man is how loud can you whistle man i uh i do an indian yelp because i can't whistle i don't I have like a genetic deformity because I try to whistle up my dogs and I'm just like, I just can't do it.

50:48I just hit it like, oh, that's awesome. Yeah. There's a little Indian call. That's awesome. Yeah. And, you know, and another part of cowboying is, is like, of course, we're all trying to be perfect. But like, it's also given like, there's going to be some major fuck ups. You know, your coworker is a bovine with no frontal lobe. Yeah. You know what I mean? True. So there's going to be some fuck ups. Yeah.

51:14Sean knows what I'm talking about

51:17Shane Gillis:Now you got any shoats on the property? Any what? Any shoats? What are shoats? Pigs Oh shoot My brother's lobbying You know my brother He's a super green thumb Agronomist And a great painter And he's just like He's real into the regenerative stuff That's awesome And like the real like Kind of like thing So he's lobbying for pigs And I'm just like Hey there's like so many feral pigs Really? They're doing it for us already. They're already out there doing it. We don't need to be more pigs. You got feral pigs out there? Oh, all over there. What is that? They just sneak off the farm and just go bad?

51:48I think it's years. Like, I think it started, like, there's a few different types of breeds that got loose. I think apparently just the pig itself is just a real, like, adaptive animal.

52:00Shane Gillis:Yeah. So you had, like, Russian boars that were brought over for hunting purposes, like sport hunting. They get loose. And you got, like, barnyard pigs that get loose. And, like, they're really smart. you know they know how to get loose and stuff pretty easy so they get that kind of pack mentality and get pharaoh they're just like picking them up like magnets and and like you'll see like you know it used to happen like when i was younger a lot but like it doesn't really seem too much anymore because there's just so many pharaoh real deal pharaoh pigs geez but like when i was younger you'd see a group of pharaoh pigs and then here comes like a barnyard sal with the group oh it's joining and it's just like like a like a killer whales uh fin when they're domesticated they're floppy ears pig pig's ears are floppy and when they get wild they get firm whoa yeah so they get domesticated they get furred up i think it takes them like two weeks for them to get like the fur and not be all that what yeah they're real adaptive now they're saying like warthogs are coming up out of south texas and they got the fucking and they're the timon and pumbas it'll gore you yeah from africa i i think they're pretty dumb and pretty scary really but they're destructive as shit.

53:07They build like eight foot holes in the ground. That's how they got out. They dig under the fences.

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55:24Shane Gillis:So what were you saying? I mentioned about bringing my kids there, and you were saying something about children and horses. Oh, I am huge. I mean, it changed my life as a kid. I think it broadened my horizons for sure. But I really feel like alongside the government mandate, VHS, Lonesome Dove. Yeah. I really think every child in America should ride a horse like as like physical education almost. Yeah. I think there's just, I mean, horses are therapeutic. It's proved. Yeah. A horse can feel your heartbeat from like four or five feet away. It can literally feel your vibe. Whoa. So like if I'm working with a new horse and I'm like, fuck this horse.

55:58I fucking, I don't want to do this. It's feeling that. And they're like supreme fly animals. So, you know, but if I go in there and just, I'm not just going to be all lovey-dovey, but if I'm just even keeled and really not like showing teeth and being all flustered and heart beating fast and all that, you get a better response out of that horse. Dude, how do they study that? How do they know they've... I think it's done a lot of good work through PTSD and through autism. Oh. I think they found out through therapy, through autism and PTSD, that this has got some kind of calming element.

56:35Shane Gillis:And that they're reacting. Yeah, they start at your heart rate and see how fast it's going. But, I mean, it's always been like the lore with how to train a horse is that you psychologically. So, like, the olden days, they would break them physically. Yeah. By dominating physically, by laying them down. Oh, really? Like, there's a psychological thing that you do where you get a horse and you lay it down and it has this thing and it's chemical releases where it thinks it's dying and then you wake up, wake it up or lift it up and it thinks that you saved its life. Whoa. So it is now bonded to you.

57:08Damn. So it's convinced this guy is not going to hurt me. He's already saved my life. I'll do whatever he says. That's the theory. That's the old way. Sometimes it doesn't. Really? And then also just riding the fuck out of him, riding the buck out. These days it's all psychological. Like my main horse was considered a hard start. which meaning he didn't really take to a lot of the psychological things too easily. But they said that the hardest start horses turned out to be the best ones. And this horse, like, I will cry when he dies. I'll fucking get a tattoo of his face off. You know what I mean?

57:38He's the man. Yeah, what's the horse's name? Bolero. Fuck. That's fucking awesome. And I didn't name him. My trainer, Luis Jamal, named him. That's awesome. But you can't change. It's bad luck change. No, yeah. Yeah, I would never. And horses lived at what, like 40? Different breeds live. So the bigger show jumping horses, they actually are pretty young and dumb until they're 10 or 11 years old. They're pretty dangerous, per se, because they're so big and powerful. And they don't really start really getting their what they call collection, where they're really composed and doing what they're doing, collected all together.

58:12So they're like 11 or 12 years old. Quarter horses, ranch horses, a 12-year-old quarter horse is kind of an old ranch horse. Gotcha. Some would say they're in their prime. Others would say it's a little old. It's all preferential. I don't like mares. I don't like female horses. I don't speak mare. Single, 43, with no kids, of course. The fuck am I going to try to?

58:34Shane Gillis:It's your stallions only. No, geldings. Geldings? What's the difference? Geldings are gilded. They're capitanos. Castranos. What are those guys called? Yeah, they're castrated. Oh, nice. So they're terminal, basically. Gotcha. When does that happen? you can do it whatever. Like, I know some people that will gild their studs seven, eight years down the road, maybe try to get a couple babies out. Right, right. Because studs are very, for the most part, very difficult to manage. I was about to say, yeah, they must be tough. Oh, they're very, very difficult. So they neutered or they just have no piece at all?

59:08You put them down. No, they have a piece. Oh, no balls. Yeah, just no balls. Oh, like a dog, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I don't know why I thought

59:13Shane Gillis:you cut their whole dick off. Don't worry, they still have huge dogs. Thank God. I'd want my money back. That's the only reason why I'm here. The only reason why I'm here. I paid to look at a giant dick. Horses' dicks are just so disheartening, man. It's fucking crazy. You think you're the man who had a good night? Go watch a horse piss. Hey, shit. You didn't do shit. I know. Even my dog, when it takes a shit, its dicks pops out. My wife's always like, oh, my. That's a strain. You need to go. What is this? Is this a blind dog? Blind dog. he probably is pushing too hard. But my thing is, my wife's like, oh, Jackson.

59:54Shane Gillis:He can't see. Like, give this guy a look. He can't see his turd. Let him feel the wind on his dick. He's taking a shit. Doesn't have any balls. He's taking a shit. Let him feel the wind on his fucking dick. Leave the guy alone. Let him fucking live. I'm always like, yeah, let him stick his dick out, man. He's like, look, turn around. You don't got to look at it. Yeah. I have two, my main two dogs I have, an Australian Shepherd. He's the man. His name is Llewellyn. Another ironic post-mallon fact about me and him is he also has a dog that he named Llewellyn. What? After mine, I think. But it's from No Country.

1:00:24My favorite movie is No Country for Old Men, which is also another irony, probably his favorite movie. Yeah. We're kindred spirits. You guys are kindred spirits. We're just a little adversarial right now. I didn't know you were adversarial. I would never have brought it up. Yeah. Well, I mean, it's all good because, you know, like, hey, Austin. But it's just, it is what it is, you know? Yeah. But. Although it's a cowboy without an adversary. It came from, yeah, true, true. Like, you know, Indians and outlaws, man. So I don't know who's the true outlaw, who's the sheriff in this. But no, so I have Llewellyn.

1:01:02And then my other dog is we suspect has got a little coyote in her. We don't really know. Really? Because we thought we knew, but she's acting like we don't know. But her name is Sheriff Ed Tom Bell, which was the sheriff in No Country World. Sick. So we just call her Bell. Do you deal with coyotes out there? I'm sure. So unfortunately, I read the Wyatt Flores book, Coyote America, and closed the book and said, hmm, coyotes ain't that bad. And so I don't really have this thing with coyotes. I've seen them, and I just kind of be like, hey, get on out of here. Yeah, get out of here. I'm just not too big on running around with guns.

1:01:39Yeah. I'm not a gun guy. I'm not going to blow somebody's brains out. Yeah. I can just, hell, if I see pigs, I'd rather rope them off my horse than just shoot them.

1:01:50Shane Gillis:it's more fun yeah i agree i'm not a uh i mean as sick as guns are they sound and look i am kind of like i see them and i'm like yeah i'm not i'm just not i mean like i understand the hobby and i i get the effectiveness and i think everyone should have a gun yeah because it sure does i'd rather get caught with one than sure you know i mean you don't feel the need to blow but i'm just not one of these guys it's just strapped to the t's out there yeah and i don't really hunt or anything like that. One of my brothers is dealing with coyotes right now. It's a pain in the ass. He's getting a big ass.

1:02:23Shane Gillis:He has a little dog, so I'm going to get a big dog. See, and that's like, if I had dogs I had to defend, I'd have a different mindset about coyotes. They'll fuck them, yeah. Especially if they think they got the drop on whatever situation, they will not. You've got to kill them. They'll keep coming back. He's just getting a big dog. He's only getting one big one. Coyote chaser. The Pyrenees, the big white ones. Yep. Yeah. There's a lot of those out there. And I mean, I've seen them in work. I mean, it's incredible. Pyrenees are sick. Yeah. Yeah. I ran into a couple of ranch Pyrenees not too long ago.

1:02:53I have a buddy that's in the hill country. It's a big goat ranch, like 10 ,000 acres. It's huge. I mean, him and the Indians have been the only people on the property. We find arrowheads out there all the time. It's incredible. And they have like a fleet of army dogs that are just constantly fucking coyotes up.

1:03:09Shane Gillis:Really? They'll fuck the goats up. Oh, yeah. yeah dude that's the one thing i also get jealous of is the guys who have those like i'll bring goats to clear out your land that seems pretty fun oh my god yeah just acres of shit just you drop like six goats wait a week and they just they'll just eat every everything goats are pretty groovy goats rock i have a buddy who he runs he does contracts for solar farms where he runs sheep on the solar farms for for grazing the grass and that's a pain in the ass because sheep try to find ways to die they fucking the dumbest animal they are pretty oh my god you can't do goats because they climb on the solar panels oh so yeah they fuck around goats do fuck around a little too much yeah so i've had some experience like i'll take my dogs out to his solar fields to work the dogs because it's you know it's like 4 000 acres so it's huge vast land you got to move those sheep over and so it's a lot of fun and it's great work for the dogs yeah it's perfect work tires them out Yeah.

1:04:08Just get something all tuned up and shit. You'll kind of nip their heels and keep them. Mm-hmm. Damn.

1:04:12Shane Gillis:So why do they have to clear out four solar panels? The grass, basically? The grass. Yeah. Which was like, why didn't y 'all just lay fucking rock down? I know. I know. Dumb. Yeah. So dumb. And every solar field I've looked at, I've been like, these would work real well on the top of buildings. Yeah. Like, I don't understand. Plenty of barns and all that. Why are we using acres of grass? Yeah. That is really weird, actually. Yeah. I guess if they're really laying acres of solar panel. Oh, thousands. Really? Thousands, yeah. Oh, yeah. There's one right here off 290 that's 1 ,500 acres. Yeah. Damn.

1:04:47And then there's like a lot of much to do about data centers in my area. Same type of concept. My whole thing with that is like, look at your cell phone. When cell phones first got invented, those things were gigantic.

1:04:58Shane Gillis:Yeah. And then within a decade, they shrunk down. It's going to shrink, yeah. So did we just build like a bunch of really high-tech chicken houses? You know? That's a good point. Storage is good. They'll probably just keep packing them with more and more of that smaller shit. But still, yeah, I've heard. Have you noticed anything with them? So the biggest thing I've noticed is the politics behind it. Yeah. And I'm pretty apolitical. I don't really participate in this voting thing too much. But I mean, locally I do. And I think the biggest problem I have with it is these Yahoo County Commissioners, commissioners they're basically in these rural counties they were voted into most of the time what is it called when you don't run against anybody at large yeah maybe at large i don't know yeah whatever like most time they're not running against anybody and the majority of their job is road and bridge so they're just there to maintain the roads and now all of a sudden this is who's making votes for tax abatements for billion dollar data centers yeah and like money's It's got to be insane.

1:06:00I mean, my county just ran a commissioner out because they uncovered a bunch of emails of him trying to get the data center to sponsor the town's fall frolic. And everyone's like, get the fuck out of here. And then, of course, with NDAs, you just don't know who's on the right, who's on the wrong. Of course, private property, private property. But it's kind of like your private property rights in where mine begin.

1:06:29Shane Gillis:Yeah. So, like, if you're my neighbor and I put a fucking gigantic 24-hour skate park on your fence line, you might like skateboarding, but you're going to fucking hate that shit at 3, 4 in the morning. For sure, yeah. So it's the same type of shit. It's just that, like, I see it being a political clusterfuck. And, like, that's what kind of turns me off and makes me be like, how about all y 'all fuck off? Yeah, yeah. And Solar Fields is, like, the less invasive version of that. because end of the day, I think you could probably rip those things up and it goes back to dirt. But, man, these data centers are about the size of small airports.

1:07:07Yeah, they're massive. It's huge. There's no coming back from that.

1:07:10Shane Gillis:Yeah, they're poor, all that concrete and all that stuff. It's a fucking 28-inch pad. You know what I mean? Yeah. So I just kind of look at it like, ah. What do you think about all the lab-grown meat stuff they're trying to do? I don't, I mean, for me, raising a high quality product that I see and touch and feel every day, all the competition is the better. Put that bullshit up against money. Yeah, true. Yeah. You know, it's not going to be high quality. And like the, a lot of like with, you know, Trump fuck around and knew what he was doing with this imported beef because that two weeks of those, all those reaction periods from him saying that I sold out for two years on reservation.

1:07:53Did you really? Yeah. What did he do exactly? He just made an announcement. To me, it looked like he was told to say these words because he has, as we know, he has a big time mincing words. And so he minced technical words. And that's why I was like, oh, so, you know, Brooke Rollins or somebody is probably not happy with how he delivered this because it's a bunch of like word salad as far as the agriculture industry is concerned.

1:08:20Shane Gillis:Yeah. He didn't really say much. And so you had to read between the lines. He said ground beef product. Well, you know what ground beef product is? It's not ground beef. What makes beef? Cows. Yeah. So the majority of a commercial beef operation, your ground beef is coming off a old cow. Oh. It's just you're not getting ground beef off of the prime grade badass steers and all this stuff. The ground beef is coming off of old bulls and old cows that can't reproduce anymore. And that's a pretty general thing in commercial beef. And I'm not trying to disparage commercial beef. They feed millions of people.

1:09:00Yeah, yeah. But it's just the fact. Heck, at my ranch, if my bull breaks its leg, I can either bury it and say thank you or I can take it down the processor and grind it up, have it processed and grind it up and have ground beef. Snap it into a Slim Jim. Right. So the thing is, is like they're only ground beef. cows, older cows and bulls because of, with bulls, the testosterone, it really kind of makes the meat gamier. And just an older cow has a different muscle structure than, you know, we're processing these steers 18 to 30 months old. So that's less than three years old. And most of your ground beef product is going to be from animals that are six to 10 years old.

1:09:43So it's not necessarily a bad thing. It's a way, it's the end of life for that animal. Yeah, yeah. And it's a byproduct from that animal spent, and it's still viable. Gotcha. But it's not. So when Trump says, like, ground beef product from Argentina, he's importing. He just basically sounds like the United States bought a fuck ton of old-ass Argentinian cows. Oh. They're going to fill these feedlots up. Because we're at a national shortage on cattle in the United States. It's so funny, because when you drive from Austin to any other big city, it's nothing but. Well, Texas is the least affected by that number.

1:10:16we still have one of the most cattle so the number is really hard to see in Texas nationwide so where you'll see it in the Midwest and the feedlot like I've worked in feedlots in the Midwest and Colorado and stuff and like you'll see it there instead of these things being packed to the gills with 14 you know there'll be a 14 ,000 animal facility but there'll only be 8 ,000 in there which you know husbandry wise I don't mind because that gives these animals more space and then you'll see the pivot and those these feedlots will advertise we have more square footage per space for your steer but yeah it's kind of like come on down the show we've got plenty of parking

1:10:54Shane Gillis:yeah yeah yeah you do uh you see that when they get real technical with the chickens and all that stuff like oh it's free range and you see the asterisk it's like each one has about five feet the funny thing about those uh broiler hens is that those things are bred to sit inside they They can't stand outside for too long. They are stark white. They're basically albino. Really? Yeah, they can't really deal with outside too long. They're bred to be bigger. They're bred to be food. They're bred to sit in the coop and eat. So they're kind of doing what they're bred to do. That's crazy. Yeah, the outside shit.

1:11:30Yeah, and a wild chicken, like a meat chicken that's on the farm, it's going to be smaller, obviously, and there's not going to be like you would be able to knock out a whole chicken. Yeah. You know what I mean? Oh, trust me, I can. Well, like as opposed to like getting a rotisserie chicken for your family like from Costco. It's probably going to put a pretty dent in the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:11:52Shane Gillis:So that's what they're bred to be just indoor. It's like an indoor cat. Yeah. But a chicken. Right. So it's kind of like, eh. But also, I don't really know what they're feeding those things. Yeah, that's kind of the question, I guess. And like, you go buy some of these commercial chicken the feed houses that these trucks pull up to get the feed from. And it's like Fort Knox. Really? Yeah, you can't just wander off in there. I mean, I'm sure they're feeding them probably food products. I hope. But it just probably is. You don't know, yeah. The process is probably so crazy, they just don't want people to put eyes on them.

1:12:30True, yeah. No, yeah. I mean, it is.

1:12:32Shane Gillis:Once you see it, you're like, oh, fuck, I can't. And that's why I think cattle is probably the most honest protein because it's like, you want to see what I'm feeding it? Go walk outside. All that shit you can't eat, they're upcycling that into protein. Cattle, 70-something percent of what cattle eat, humans can't digest. It's inedible. What the hell are they eating? I thought it was grass. They're pretty biodiverse. They'll eat any types of vegetables, most vegetations. And they actually got a pretty good nose to see what's toxic for them. and they'll avoid like the thorny stuff and stuff like that.

1:13:07But flowers, you know, crop, cover crops, grass.

1:13:13Shane Gillis:Got you. If you even look on cattle pastures in the tree lines, there's a browse line on these trees. They're eating the trees. If I cut an oak tree branch down, the cows will run to it and start eating that shit like it's a buffet. Damn. Not like the branch, but like the leaves. No, I know what you mean, the leaves and stuff. Yeah, they'll pick it clean. And then you just got to keep moving them while the grass grows. And then you practice rotational grazing. And, like, a good cowman is really like a grass man. Like, you're really concerned with the soil. That's why I love having my little brother around because he's super passionate about the dirt.

1:13:45And, like, he can critique my operation without even seeing my cows. Because he'll be like, man, I know they're not doing good. Look at this poor soil. Like, that grass doesn't have what they want. And you need to put mineral in here for them. They're not going to have this. This grass is stripped, blah, blah, blah. So, like, he's helping. It's all about that. you know because you'll be like well i mean they're in knee-high grass but well all that grass is seeded out there's nothing in it all the all the good stuff's in the seed head oh shit so he just has made me really it's a little bit more complicated than because you you have to like mitigate their risk their cows are really good eaters and they're pretty fucking dumb and everything else yeah so like you have to like mitigate the risk at all times you're seeding just for like a variety of things they can eat right and then you know just to kind of like to make sure that grows back, you know, you don't want to.

1:14:33So like cows eat in like a sweeping motion. And so their schmooze, their snot, and when they eat their saliva actually helps, it stimulates that plant sugar to like say, we need to grow again. So if they eat below that, then the grass goes into a panic and it just shells up, you know, just as like in a shock. But if you keep eating where they naturally want to eat the tops of the grass and you keep them moving off, it sends the signal to that grass down to the roots. Like, hey, we got a problem up top. We need to send the sugars up. And so it'll grow right back. But if you continue pummeling that, and cattle are real selective, so they'll come back to the same spot.

1:15:16Man, remember that one spot over there? That was good. Let's go back over there. And they'll eat that shit down on the ground. It might be where you threw them some protein cubes or it might have been just like a nice little patch. They'll eat that shit down. But if you were able to move them off in 24 hours, then that has already started recovering. And no graze.

1:15:35Shane Gillis:Yeah. I never even thought about that part. Probably just give them grass and fucking weight. Well, technically, yes. But no, you got to really be conscious. Yeah. And just like, man, there's something to it about watching a cow eat too. Like, just, it's just like a real, like, ah. Yeah. When you see something doing their job, you know, and happy and healthy and productive. and like it all starts with good grass having that and so i've mistakenly become like real knowledgeable on grasses and can be like oh yeah and just like ph's and you know and like just getting real into that because it's a big part of it you know yeah if you scorched the fucking whole ranch that would that's like a massive fuck up yeah or i mean and and and yes like yes when i remember when i would cut the grass all the time growing up i'd be like i'm gonna drop the deck and fucking cut this shit as low as white underneath it and it burns the fucking other but grass is brown like what the fuck do you do and i'm like i dropped the deck all the way down so i didn't have to do it yeah but if you did that to like acres and scalped it yeah yeah yeah so it's just real interesting of of what's like symbiotic to what you know and like you we don't use any herbicides or pesticides and no synthetic fertilizers and the biggest observation i've seen is uh bird life bergen bud like you see just this like orgy of birds above the grass just snacking on bugs all day and my brother was like that's a healthy pasture right there like all these bugs flying around everywhere like he doesn't understand somebody walking out in the pasture and seeing a caterpillar and like oh i'm gonna spray this pasture yeah he doesn't understand that shit and i don't either because i mean it's all what like cows aren't a monocrop animal they're not eating just one type of grass they're they're eating everything if they like it they love it you know so i want to just promote that with them and my brother's been showing me uh like you know you know where your stuff's good by the bugs and the birds so like these birds just will you know return to these good areas once you practice good husbandry on the land oh okay i I didn't realize.

1:17:43Shane Gillis:So they'll spray for caterpillars and shit? Oh, yeah. They call it army worms. It's like a larvae version. And they're worried they're going to eat the grass. Well, they do. They eat certain grasses. They'll eat them down. But if you have an abundance and if you're kicking ass and you've got birds that will swoop down and eat that shit, you can have things work for you. People around my area hate having barn swallowing us for whatever reason. But I'm like, dude, I looked it up. a barn swallow eats like 3 ,000 flies a day. Damn. So I'm like 3 ,000, 6 ,000. And they're right by my horse barn. And I had to spray my horses for flies like twice this summer.

1:18:25Like that's it. That's nice. And most people have to spray them every day, you know, because you just get attracted to the flies. Yeah. So I'd noticed that big time. And my brother's just always scoreboarding me like, yeah, idiot. I was like, whoa. You know, I'm still astonished. and he's just like, finally, it's working. Yeah, yeah. That's awesome, dude. Yeah, man. It's a lot of fun out there.

1:18:46Shane Gillis:Yeah, I'm telling you. I'm going to go out for sure. I got to check it out. We have to get LaMare on a horse. Dude, we do. LaMare, have you ever rode the horse? Got to hop up there. We'll get you like chaps and a little English helmet. Like an old fox hunter. I want a little horse. That'd be great. I want a little tiny horse. No, we're going to get you a war horse. Gives you one of those huge war horses That they rode into the Trojan War on Well dude thanks for doing it man Man I love it tons of fun guys are great Anything you want to shout out shout it out If not If you have any questions about beef You can hit me up on Instagram Brick Mason And the ranch page is Beefraisedright.com And And catch me opening for Matt.

1:19:41Hell yeah, dude.

1:19:43Shane Gillis:Bye. Watch new episodes of Matt and Shane's secret podcast on Spotify. Do it.