Meet the Press NOW — November 6

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1:19Kristen Welker: Welcome to Meet the Press Now. I'm Kristen Welker in Washington. we begin with breaking news and a seismic shakeup inside the Trump White House that sets the stage for a major confrontation between the president and Democrats who are about to take control of both houses of Congress. The president announcing on social media this afternoon that his current chief of staff, Susie Wiles, is being replaced by his longtime ally and MAGA firebrand, Stephen Miller, a White House official telling NBC News Wiles gave her resignation last night. She posted on social media this afternoon that today is her last day.

1:54Kristen Welker: While departing the White House for Florida, the president was asked about the shakeup and said it was time to make a change.

2:02Reid Wilson: Stephen Miller will be the new chief of staff and Susie's going to go over to the political operation.

2:08Cait Conley: What do you want Stephen Miller to get ready?

2:11Reid Wilson: Just run things well. I wanted to make a change. I think Susie's done a very good job, great job. But I just wanted to make it. Stephen's been great. And we got to make we got to make moves. Sometimes sometimes in life you have to make moves. Stephen's been with me from beginning. He gets it very good politically. And he's a very good man. He'll do a great job. Great manager.

2:37Kristen Welker: But it was just a few weeks ago when President Trump said there was zero chance he would replace Wiles. Listen.

2:59Kristen Welker: Democratic leaders fresh off their landslide victory in the midterms are now facing the possibility of a collision course with the Stephen Miller, who has pushed some of the administration's most hardline policies. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer writing on social media, quote, Trump couldn't have made a worse choice. Our Democratic majorities will fight him every step of the way. While House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries posted, quote, Stephen Miller is a dangerous xenophobe and reckless extremist. Fire him today. Joining me now to discuss all of this breaking news is our team of reporters, NBC News senior White House correspondent Gabe Gutierrez in West Palm Beach, Florida.

3:37Kristen Welker: With me on set, NBC News senior homeland security correspondent Julia Ainsley and NBC News senior congressional reporter Scott Wong. NBC News senior national political reporter Sahil Kapoor is at the big board. Thanks to all of you for starting us off. Gabe, let me go to you first. What are your sources telling you about what's behind this decision?

3:55Cait Conley: Well, Chris, and I'm so familiar with Susie Wiles thinking, tells me that The decision to do this actually came after the midterm, certainly with Republicans suffering that sweeping election defeat. It appears that Susie Wiles, the chief of staff, the longest serving chief of staff for President Trump, decided that she wanted to offer up her resignation. And the context is important here, Kristen. She's had a very difficult year. Earlier this year, she had revealed her cancer diagnosis. It was just several months ago in September that she said she was cancer free. And so she made the decision just within the last few days to offer up her resignation and gave that resignation to the president late last night.

4:41Cait Conley: Now, a lot of questions about where the administration moves from here. You mentioned Stephen Miller, of course, a lightning rod within this administration. and one of the president's longest-serving aides, the architect of his immigration policy. And he's made a lot of enemies, both on Capitol Hill and really throughout Washington. But he is seen by the president as an extremely effective leader. And it should be seen as a sign of the president doubling down on some of the policies, which have received a lot of backlash. Of course, the ICE raids, the mass deportations, that was largely thanks to Stephen Miller and the president moving in that direction, choosing him to be his next chief of staff should be really seen as perhaps not just doubling down on this, but this idea that it'd be more conciliatory towards Democrats.

5:33Cait Conley: Clearly, this is a sign of just the opposite, that he is gearing up for a potentially contentious last two years of his second term.

5:40Kristen Welker: Well, Gabe, you know, it's interesting because President Trump has said that, yes, he will work with Democrats. He's also said he has the power of the veto. But what does this signal about the possibility that there could be some bipartisan legislation over the next two years?

5:56Cait Conley: Well, look, as I mentioned, Kristen, Stephen Miller, he was a longtime legislative aide on Capitol Hill. He certainly knows the legislative process. But at the same time, he has made a lot of enemies there, not just within the Democratic Party, but also he's rubbed a lot of people within the Republican Party the wrong way. Just ask Tom Tillis, the outgoing senator from North Carolina. So it's unclear how willing he will be to compromise with Democrats here. It's certainly at its face not the choice you would think of, of somebody who would be willing to compromise here in these final two years of his administration.

6:33Kristen Welker: And could there be other shakeups, Gabe? What are you watching?

6:37Cait Conley: Well, look, certainly, you know, there's been a lot of discussion over the past few days about Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. The president is still publicly defending Pete Hegseth, saying he's doing a good job. But there are increasing calls on Capitol Hill among Democrats calling for his impeachment among some Republicans, of course, Thomas Massey. But also, you know, James Comer suggesting that he has a lot of questions for Pete Hegseth as well, with the potential over the next few days for this, you know, impeachment process to potentially play out on Capitol Hill as early as next week. So that is probably the most obvious case for a potential shakeup within the administration.

7:21Cait Conley: But it's still early. These midterm, this sweeping election defeat is still sinking in within the administration. And certainly with Stephen Miller, it could be possible that within the White House, there could be a changing of staff and going in a different direction. The president, in his comments to reporters just a short time ago, saying that he wanted to go in a different direction. So it's something that we'll be watching the coming days and weeks, Kristen.

7:48Kristen Welker: Yeah, it will be fascinating to watch those relationships unfold. Gabe Gutierrez, thank you so much. Julia Scott, let me turn to you. And Julia, I'll start with you. Talk a little bit about the role that Stephen Miller has played inside the administration, particularly overseeing the president's immigration and deportation policies. That's right. I've been covering Stephen Miller and his policies and his thinking for a long time. He first got into Trump's orbit in 2015 when he was working for then-Senator Jeff Sessions on some very right-of-center immigration policies that at the time were seen as something that would never go through.

8:23Kristen Welker: But it caught the president's ear, and he got to do that after Sessions was the first sitting senator to endorse Trump. And he was behind things like the family separation policy in 2018 that systematically separated over 5 ,000 families at the borders, behind the first travel ban. things that he was telling Trump, these will be politically advantageous to you if you continue to push forward. Flash forward to just before the 2024 election, Stephen Miller said in the most blanket Stephen Miller statement I've ever heard that really encapsulate him. He stood in front of a roaring crowd at Madison Square Garden and said, America is for Americans and Americans only.

8:58Kristen Welker: And that is something the White House actually repeated today on social media just two hours before he was named chief of staff. He, of course, is behind the high deportation numbers. And even as deputy chief of staff, this position that he's held in this administration, he's continued to have daily calls with the leaders of DHS, ICE, and Border Patrol to tell them to do more, get numbers higher. People I talk to at DHS say basically he's impossible to please because he wants numbers that are so high they're just not realistic. And they say that if they do have a problem with it or if there's something they want to get to the president, they always know Stephen Miller is the closest to the presidency.

9:36Kristen Welker: I know that's something that you've tracked as you've gotten to know that you covered President Trump. But Miller, love him or hate him, people might disagree with him, but he is so close to this president. And the president has listened to him much longer than he's listened to many of his other advisors. It's such an important point, Scott Wong. He's been with the president since the very beginning. And this all is developing as Democrats are just starting to map out how they plan to govern. I want to play a little bit of what we heard from now minority leader Chuck Schumer and get your reaction on the other side.

10:05Kristen Welker: Take a look.

10:07Reid Wilson: We still have a big job to do. Yes, we have found the right issues, cost, chaos and corruption. But I will tell you this, if we don't deliver for the American people and they think we're just like what Trump has done, we're gone. Our enemy is not each other. Our enemy is Donald Trump and the Republican senators who just go along with all the S.H. I'm not allowed to say it on the show that he does. That's the focus. The focus is unity. It's it's all of us talking out of the same, you know, hymn book, so to speak, and beating Trump, not fighting each other.

10:47Kristen Welker: Scott, how does the appointment of Stephen Miller fit into Democrats' broader goal of trying to actually get results? Right.

10:56Reid Wilson: Democrats say they want to hold Trump accountable, but also work with Trump on the issues that they think this entire midterm election was about, which was affordability, lowering the cost of living. I think this bodes very poorly for Democrats being able to work with the White House on bipartisan issues like affordability. Stephen Miller's appointment is really a signaling of doubling down on the existing Trump policies like, you know, immigration, mass deportation. This is sort of in the opposite of direction of what we saw after the 1994, you know, Republican Revolution. Bill Clinton reaching across the aisle to Newt Gingrich.

11:38Reid Wilson: They had picked up an enormous amount of seats. They took back the majority. Those two men, Gingrich and Clinton, worked together on welfare reform. I think we're going to see something very different than post-1994.

11:52Kristen Welker: What a great historical reference point to think about as we watch these developments unfold, Julia. Let me ask you, do you think we could see this administration or Stephen Miller, who will now oversee the entire domestic portfolio of this president? Could they start to pull back on some of their deportation policies that have been sharply criticized as overreach? Well, I'll preview a little reporting that we have coming up on NBC News in just a few hours, really. And that is that Miller has told people don't slow down. In fact, they say they still have time. They have two years left in this White House.

12:27Kristen Welker: Nothing is changing. In fact, you can even look at the spending. ICE just renewed this week their charter plane contract for a billion dollars to keep the same pace of deportations. They arrested 50 ,000 people in October. That's a record high they set in July, and they've continued to keep for four months. They want that again. ICE officers on the street have not heard a word about changing anything despite the midterms. And as you look at some of the polling, it shows a lot of people, even Latinos who wanted a quieter border, think that this went too far. As far as working together, what's really confusing is that Trump has said three times in terms he's willing to work with Democrats on immigration reform.

13:07Kristen Welker: But then this move today really throws a lot of that into question. It sure does. Well, it's just extraordinary to hear Julia's reporting, Scott. And if you look at what happened on Tuesday night, so many of the Latino voters who helped get President Trump elected in 2024 left the Republican Party and moved over to vote for Democrats. Could this move of appointing Stephen Miller to this role actually alienate some of those voters?

13:33Reid Wilson: I think it could. I was down in Miami-Dade County with Hakeem Jeffries, stumping for candidates down there in Florida just a couple of weeks ago. And I talked to some Trump supporters, Hispanic, Latino voters who said exactly that. They were very disappointed in how Trump has sort of prosecuted this mass deportation plan. They said he promised to go after criminals and he was deporting, you know, breaking up families. Obviously, we saw the deaths of two American citizens earlier this year. They are very upset and they voted with the Democrats. I think if you are somebody like Mario Diaz-Balart in Miami-Dade County, Maria Elvira Salazar, if they survive their election and they're up for reelection in two years, I think they're going to be very upset with the appointment of Stephen Miller.

14:23Kristen Welker: And Julia, just quickly, I mean, Stephen Miller himself, he's not necessarily taking into account all of these politics. For him, this is part of his core belief. I mean, he again goes back to 2015 with President Trump. As you say, this is really what shapes him. Yeah, it's very different whether it is your dogma, right? Whether it's what you believe or whether it's what you believe is politically the best move. The president, I often get the feeling, digs in on immigration at times where he might not be winning on other things because he thinks it's politically the best move. But everything I've seen from Stephen Miller, even if you go back to what he did as a college student, really shows that this is someone who believes at his core that what I said, America is for Americans and Americans only.

15:07Kristen Welker: And he will really strive to try to throw the country back into a time where we were a much more homogenous looking population. And he's not been shy about any of those views. All right, Julia and Scott, thank you so much for your fantastic reporting and context around this. We really appreciate it. Sahil, let me turn to you now. So the shakeup comes as Democrats prepare to take over the House and the Senate. Talk about how you see some of their biggest challenges as they try to execute their agenda.

15:36Reid Wilson: Well, Kristen, House Democrats are about to embark upon quite an adventure because look at this. They're winning this election beyond their wildest dreams. They've already cracked 250 House seats officially. Our estimates put them on pace to get 259, which, as you can see here, would be the largest House majority going all the way back to 1990, before the dawn of modern polarization. By contrast, 2014 was a high watermark for the Republicans. That ended up with 247 seats on their side. They've already exceeded that. Now, with a cushion like this means Hakeem Jeffries is going to be Speaker of the House.

16:09Reid Wilson: He's going to have plenty of votes to spare. His critics can disabuse themselves of the notion that they're going to find an alternative to him. But it also comes with challenges because the caucus is going to be very, very diverse, ideologically and biographically. These are some of the Democrats who won states that Trump carried by double digits in 2024. If you look at some of these names, you can be forgiven for not recognizing them because even close political observers, Even Democratic leaders did not expect some of these people to be able to pull off an election. For instance, Texas 9th District.

16:39Reid Wilson: How many folks heard of Leticia Gutierrez? She just won by 15 points in a district that Trump carried by 20 points in 2024. Over here in North Carolina's 9th District, Richard Ojeda, again, not a familiar name. He just took down Rich Hudson, the chair of the NRCC whose job it was to protect the House majority. He could not even protect his own seat. So Democrats are going to have this kind of a caucus to navigate in addition to a bunch of left-leaning candidates and Democratic socialists who have also gotten elected. This is going to be quite the kaleidoscope for Hakeem Jeffries to navigate if he wants to get something done and keep these folks on his side.

17:13Kristen Welker: It certainly is. It's a great way to put it, a kaleidoscope. So you're looking at the House. It's a whole different set of challenges on the Senate side, right?

17:20Reid Wilson: Absolutely it is. The Senate Democratic Caucus so far includes these 10 incoming members. Many of them flipped Republican seats. Some of them held on to open Democratic seats. And this, too, represents the ideological diversity of the Senate Democratic Caucus. You've got some senators-elect, like Abdul El-Sayed and Troy Jackson, who campaign on a progressive platform of Medicare for All. You've got others like Annie Andrews in South Carolina and Josh Turek in Iowa, who campaigned as moderates and centrists in red states and won those. They're going to have a very different vision of how to go forward than these senators.

17:55Reid Wilson: So it's going to be an open question of how Senator Chuck Schumer, who is probably going to be the next majority leader, navigates these divisions in his own conference and gets to 60 votes in the Senate, which is going to require some Republican support. And the big question, Kristen, as we've been talking about so far, does President Trump have any desire to work with the Democratic House and Senate? Because he's not shown that in the last two years. And his appointment of Stephen Miller as chief of staff tells us these next two years could be a bare-knuckle political brawl without much cooperation.

18:23Kristen Welker: Yeah, it's going to be fascinating to watch it all unfold. Sahil Kapoor, thank you so much for that great breakdown. We really appreciate it. Well, coming up, we'll have much more on the breaking news out of the White House with President Trump naming Stephen Miller as his new chief of staff, including what it means for the big question facing Democrats. How will they govern? We'll speak with a Democrat who just flipped one of this cycle's most competitive House districts. Plus, it's not just control of Congress in Washington. Democrats are about to take over a majority of the statehouse chambers and governorships for the first time in years.

18:56Kristen Welker: We'll dig into the numbers and the impact. Stay with us. You're watching Meet the Press Now.

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20:38Kristen Welker: Welcome back. Turning now to a key pickup for Democrats in this week's election. NBC News projects that Democrat Kate Connolly, a special ops veteran and former national security expert, has defeated Republican Congressman Mike Lawler in New York's battleground 17th congressional district. Joining me now is Congresswoman-elect Kate Connolly of New York. Congratulations on your win. Thank you so much. It's still surreal to hear that title. I am sure it is. I know it was a hard fought battle. I do want to start off by asking you about this breaking news out of the White House. President Trump has just appointed Stephen Miller as his chief of staff.

21:17Kristen Welker: House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries has reacted by saying, quote, his presence in government should be eradicated like a malignant tumor. Do you think that the appointment of Stephen Miller complicates Democrats' ability to work with President Trump?

21:33Cait Conley: No, because I think we're still going to continue to put forward things that are good for the American people, regardless of political affiliation. And the White House is still going to feel the pressure to support that and help deliver. I do think it is incredibly disappointing, although not surprising, that this president, instead of listening to American voters all across this country and their voice on Tuesday saying that they want change and an end to the dysfunction in the Oval Office. Instead, he chose to double down on it and have a man who honestly, I believe, is guided by hatred now guiding White House operations.

22:05Cait Conley: But we're going to continue to show the American people that Congress heard them loud and clear. And this incoming Congress is going to focus on delivering for them.

22:12Kristen Welker: So you it sounds like are saying, see, this is a slap to American voters. What exactly do you argue there?

22:20Cait Conley: Yeah, I mean, look, what you saw on Tuesday wasn't voters of one political affiliation coming out and saying that they disagree with what is happening in Washington. This was voters from all across the political spectrum. Take my district. I could not win this district by just winning Democrats alone. The coalition that we built here in New York 17 was one of Democrats, independents and Republicans who may not share a party, but share the same values. And I do believe that Tuesday was a referendum on values and not partisan values, but patriotic ones. Americans want this country to get back on track and feel like right now it is incredibly off track.

22:54Cait Conley: But instead of listening to that, President Trump doubled down on his own biased perspective and brought in someone to the White House who, again, has gotten this country into this mess. And we cannot believe is going to get us out of it. But I do have faith in the newly elected members of Congress, our class that's coming in, where we're going to focus on delivering for the American people. And that that is going to make the difference.

23:18Kristen Welker: You have said that the Democratic Party is going to be laser focused on lowering costs. What is your day one plan to do that?

23:26Cait Conley: I think there's two categories. This one, we have to undo the harm that the Trump administration enabled by this current Congress has caused. That's things like restoring funding to medicaid and to the premium tax credits So we have more americans on health care not off We need to do things like undoing the trump tariffs that i'll tell you just here in the hudson valley Have cost the average family forty two hundred dollars for the same goods and has put tremendous pressure on small businesses To the point where some businesses in my district are closing We need to undo that harm But we also have to go beyond the harm that's been done and look at some of the very serious problems that we're facing, like this cost of living crisis, this housing crisis, the energy crisis, and come up with solutions that are going to help lower costs and provide the foundation for the future of America.

24:10Kristen Welker: Well, let me ask you about another potential thread that we're following as Democrats prepare to take back control of the House, vowing major investigations into the Trump administration and his family as well. Do you believe there's a risk that being too focused on investigations and oversight could derail the efforts to deliver on affordability?

24:34Cait Conley: I do believe that's real and we need to balance it. We need to understand that our first and foremost priority needs to be lowering costs for the American people. That is what they elected us to do on Tuesday. But I do believe at the same time we can hold this administration accountable. And that means rooting out the corruption that has taken hold because that is also what's raising costs for people. When you look at the bidding that this Congress has been doing, it's not of the American people, but that of their billionaire donors and special interests. And so I do believe that passing things like banning stock trading from members of Congress and the White House and political appointees is an essential part to stopping that.

25:09Cait Conley: I do believe that oversight and accountability is a foundational responsibility of Congress, and we need to do our job. But that cannot come at the cost or expense of us lowering costs for working families. But I believe we can

25:22Kristen Welker: do both at the same time. Well, you are a special ops veteran, and you've said that one of your priorities is also to have Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth removed from office, you argue, because of the damage that he's caused to the military. Is that also a day one priority for you? You want to have him impeached?

25:41Cait Conley: I do believe that that is a case where every day this individual continues to sit in that seat. American national security has put it further jeopardy. I hope that the sitting Congress does the right thing and gets him out of the Department of Defense, gets him out of this position. But if they do not do their job in this Congress, I am very confident that we will in the next. And this is, again, not a partisan thing. You know, folks who brought this motion to the floor in the last Congress, they were Republicans, too. This is about doing the right thing for this country. And national security should always come before any partisan politics or any person.

26:15Cait Conley: But Pete Hanks at this show, and his only loyalty is to Donald Trump and our brave men and women in uniform have paid the price. We've watched them force out some of our most talented and gifted military leaders because they remain steadfast in their commitment to this country and refusal to put any party or person before it. And so I will tell you, I believe our brave men and women in uniform deserve support, deserve to be defended.

26:38Kristen Welker: And that's exactly the role that this Congress will play. Do you think that impeachment should extend to President Trump as well? Of course, he's the boss in charge of Pete Hegseth.

26:49Cait Conley: I don't think we should ever take anything off the table because you never know what's going to happen. But I don't think that should be our day one focus at all. So you don't take impeachment off the table? I mean, you have no idea what else is going to be done. So look, we've got two more years of Donald Trump sitting in the Oval Office. And so we need to take every day with what happens. But I will tell you a day one priority that we must have is going out there and finding solutions to lower costs for working people all across this country because they are losing faith that America can actually bring back the American dream.

27:23Cait Conley: You know, when I was growing up here, raised by a mom who was a postal worker, raising three girls in the Hudson Valley, we had confidence that America was the place where if you worked hard, you could get ahead. That's not the America we have today. And we have to fix that.

27:37Kristen Welker: And that must be our absolute focus on day one. I want to pivot here and ask you about another big issue that we heard about throughout the course of this campaign in your race and in other races, and that's data centers. You campaigned on a moratorium on data centers, despite you did work with an A.I. company in the past. The president says slowing down A.I. growth would ultimately cede the way to China and put U.S. national security at risk. What do you say to that argument by the president? it.

28:08Cait Conley: We are America. For 250 years, we have done hard things, and I believe we will continue to do hard things. And that means that we can ensure that any data center development that does occur is a net positive for communities and happens with community support, where we are not seeing them get exploited, but the exact opposite, where, again, this is a net positive for them if they are being built. But the second part of this is we need to understand that we can both regulate AI in data centers and also lead the world in AI development and technology and solutions. Again, we are America. We can do both.

28:43Cait Conley: But right now, what we see happening is that these data centers are being built at the expense of local communities, exploiting local communities, and that needs to stop.

28:52Kristen Welker: Let me ask you, because Congressman Lawler, who you defeated, has been ranked as one of the most bipartisan members of Congress. Is there a piece of legislation that he championed that you think you can pass? Yeah, I would push back on that

29:10Cait Conley: description of my predecessor. And I think this campaign has shown that, you know, saying that and being that are two different things. I think he has voted 100 percent of the time with Donald Trump. And so in that sense, I think we're going to have some pretty significant differences of opinion going forward. But yeah, when it comes to things like, you know, no, tax on tips and overtime, I support those things. When you're talking about ways where we are helping working people, you know, get ahead, absolutely I support those things. But I think there's a lot of things where he and I have disagreed that we need to undo the harm, going back to the Medicaid funding, going back to the premium tax credits, going back to putting working people first instead of billionaires who got permanent tax breaks while working people only had temporary ones.

29:55Kristen Welker: All right. Congresswoman-elect Kate Conley, thank you so much for joining us. We look forward to it. Thanks for having me. Appreciate it. Thank you. Coming up next, we'll dive into the stunning exodus of young men away from Donald Trump and Republicans in the midterms. New reporting ahead on Meet the Press Now.

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32:44Kristen Welker: With me now is Reid Wilson, founder and editor of Pluribus News, which focuses on state and capitals and legislatures. Thank you so much for being here. Really appreciate it. So let's break down these findings. Put into perspective how historic these wins are.

32:58Reid Wilson: So it's been 16 years since Democrats held a majority of governorships in America and a majority of the state legislative seats around the country. You know, we say every election, this is the most important election of our lifetime. 2010 really was. It dug Democrats into a hole that it has taken them this long to dig out of. And now they've won back some trifectas in some of these key states where they're going to be able to make a lot of policy that has been sort of lagging behind some of the other blue states that have had that Democratic control.

33:25Kristen Welker: Well, flesh out that comparison to 2010 a little bit more. Talk about the parallels. Right.

33:31Reid Wilson: So in the 2010 election was Barack Obama's first midterm midterm. We remember the economy was in the tank.

33:39Kristen Welker: The shellacking that he took.

33:41Reid Wilson: In his words. Yep. And Republicans won back 670 legislative seats around the country. That's about one tenth of every legislative seat in America that they won back on one night. And 2010 was also a redistricting year. So they were able to use the subsequent redistricting process to draw themselves into a majority in the House of Representatives that they maintained until 2018. So that was sort of a key piece of timing right there that the Republicans were able to use to their advantage and lock in their control for a long time. Now, here we are in this time. We're a little before a redistricting cycle.

34:13Reid Wilson: Let's see if the Democrats try to do what Republicans did and redraw some maps in the states that they just won control of with the obvious caveat that the Republican remapping just didn't work. It turned out to be Turkey.

34:24Kristen Welker: Exactly. No, we're fascinated to see where that goes. What do you think the Democrats' victories at the statehouse level will mean?

34:30Reid Wilson: I think it's going to mean a lot of focus on AI and energy development. There are a lot of these states that are just coming to terms with the build-out of data centers, what it means for a local economy, and what it means for ratepayers. At the moment when the word out of every Democrat's lips is affordability, that's something they can do to really tackle costs, is place new restrictions on data centers. We've already seen it in a number of states, in New York, Pennsylvania, places like that. I think we're going to see a lot more moratoriums, and we're going to start seeing some guardrails around AI.

35:03Reid Wilson: Interestingly enough, in Congress, nothing is happening on artificial intelligence regulation. It is happening at the state level, and in a bipartisan way. I think lawmakers are really interested in placing those guardrails.

35:13Kristen Welker: And what are the implications of all of this for 2028?

35:15Reid Wilson: Oh, I think they're huge. Democrats now control the governorship in every presidential swing state, every state that we think of as a swing state. I think there are also some implications for control of the U.S. Senate. I compared 2026 to the 2006 elections, which started sort of a cycle. Democrats had a great year in 2006. They had another good year in 2008 when George Bush's approval rating was even lower. You have to imagine there's not much President Trump is going to be able to do to bolster his approval ratings. So Democrats may have two good cycles in a row. And some of the states where they won U.S.

35:47Reid Wilson: Senate seats this year are up again next year.

35:49Kristen Welker: Were there any state-level races that surprised you?

35:52Reid Wilson: Oh, I think there were a ton. I mean, the Texas House flipped to Democrats. The Georgia House flipped to Democrats. Two big, big roles there. The state level, the extent of state level wins by Democrats, I think, really shows just how blue of a wave this was. There are 17 races in Texas that were up for statewide election. Democrats won all 17. There are 13 statewide elected races in Georgia. Nine of those 13 candidates who won are black women. This was a sea change across the country, and I think the state level really shows that.

36:25Kristen Welker: And just for folks who are watching, put into context why those state level seats matter so much.

36:31Reid Wilson: Yeah, I mean, look, the foundation of federal policy comes from the states. Think about welfare reform in the 90s, a program of four Republican governors before Bill Clinton took it over. The Affordable Care Act came out of Massachusetts. Don't tell Mitt Romney. And the one big bipartisan thing under President Trump's first term was criminal justice reform, which started out as a program, if you can believe it, between the Koch brothers and George Soros together in states like Kansas and Oklahoma and Texas. So I can't tell you who the next president is going to be, but his or her signature domestic policy achievement is probably being debated on the state legislature's floor right now.

37:01Kristen Welker: Well, it's a great way to think about it, Reed Wilson. Thank you so much for being here. Thank you. Really appreciate it. Great to see you, as always. Now to a key voting group that helped propel Democrats to their big night, young men. Nationwide, 65 percent of men under the age of 30 voted for Democratic candidates, according to NBC News exit polls. That's a 17 percent increase from just two years ago. Young men were particularly instrumental in Democrat Abdul El-Sayed's Senate victory in Michigan. The demographics swung from Trump to El-Sayed by, get this, 55 points. NBC News national politics reporter Alan Smith joins me now.

37:39Kristen Welker: So, Alan, do you know why young men shifted to Democrats in this dramatic way this year?

37:46Reid Wilson: I mean, Chris, and it comes down to three words, costs, costs and costs, you know, cost of living and the economy was the number one issue for voters across the board. But for young men, a higher share of them rated it as the top issue than the electorate as a whole. In Michigan, four in five young men, 80 percent said inflation had caused them hardship. And as I was talking to former Governor Scott Walker, Republican from Wisconsin, he said any focus from Republicans on an issue that wasn't related to the cost of living was harming them with this electorate. In Michigan, you know, Mike Rogers, the Republican candidate, he really wanted to focus on the Muslim Brotherhood with Abdul El-Sayed and with Trump.

38:24Reid Wilson: I mean, there were so many focuses that were not about affordability, not about the cost of living that had really appeared to turn off a lot of these voters.

38:32Kristen Welker: And Alan, I just laid out just how extraordinary that swing was from President Trump to Abdul El-Sayed. I mean, it's just remarkable how important were young men to his victory? Were they fundamental?

38:44Reid Wilson: I mean, Kristen, it was astonishing, a 55-point swing to go from plus 21 in Trump's favor in 2024 to more than 30 points toward Abdul El-Sayed this year. I mean, it's pretty shocking. and they made up seven percent of the electorate in Michigan. So, you know, for a candidate who won by seven points, they were a critical part of his coalition.

39:04Kristen Welker: You know, you report on Al-Sayed's decision to sit down with Fox News's Jesse Waters for that interview and his approach to that interview and why it was potentially significant. Talk a little bit about that strategy.

39:19Reid Wilson: Yeah, Kristen. So I was speaking with some advisors to Abdul Al-Sayed and they said, when he was planning for this interview in August, advisors on his team were wondering, what's kind of a populist policy you might be able to open the conversation with that you guys have in common? And he ended up looking into Jesse Waters' background, found out they had both played football and lacrosse. And he really wanted to lean into that at the beginning of the conversation. Abdul's gotten so much attention for, obviously, his Muslim identity. He's going to be the first Muslim senator in U.S. history. But during the campaign, he also really tried to lean into his identity as a millennial man.

39:53Reid Wilson: And he wanted to start off this interview with Jesse Waters kind of being like, bro, bro to bro. So you can see how, especially with being able to win over as many young men as he did, that played a role. But again, it was cost of living above all else. And as Scott Walker said, look, Abdul is tenacious in focusing on the cost of living. And that really was the key issue the young men were worried about.

40:14Kristen Welker: Well, it was extraordinary to hear Jesse Waters offer some praise for him in the wake of that interview. Question for you. Do you expect other candidates in battleground states to use that strategy that we saw from Abdul El-Sayed as a blueprint in 2028, potentially?

40:32Reid Wilson: You know, Chris, and I think after 2024, there's been a lot of conversation among Democrats, especially after seeing President Trump's strategy going on all the podcasts and going, you know, in some of these spaces that were non-traditional for political folks to engage in. And the thinking is, look, you know, Democrats need to be more open to being in these spaces more comfortable in these spaces. Abdul Seyyed is very comfortable in these spaces. So, I mean, a lot of it comes down to the candidate itself or themselves. But look, we don't know what this electorate is going to look like in 2028.

41:02Reid Wilson: And we know a midterm electorate looks a little bit different. It depends on what issues these folks care about the most in two years and whether the president is able to kind of solve any of their concerns about the cost of living. I think that remains to be seen. But I do think that folks are going to try to take a page out of out of the Abdul playbook and apply it to to future campaigns here.

41:25Kristen Welker: All right. Alan Smith, thank you so very much. Really appreciate it. Come on up after the break. Will a new Congress be new leadership inside the Democratic Party? The panel's next. This is Meet the Press Now.

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43:26Kristen Welker: Welcome back. As the dust settles on Tuesday's election, both Democrats and Republicans are gearing up for leadership fights. In the Senate, a number of newly elected Democrats have expressed skepticism or even outright opposition to the idea of voting for current minority leader Chuck Schumer to become a majority leader. Take a listen.

43:44Reid Wilson: When you were campaigning, you said we're not going to vote for Chuck Schumer for majority leader. He's going to have a bigger majority now. You still have that vote. I still very much believe that it's time for a generational change on both sides of the aisle. Will you vote for Chuck Schumer? No, that still stands. I really believe we need a majority leader who's going to be standing, who's going to bring people together and unite people. I've already said that I told Senator Schumer that I'm, you know, going to support somebody else. So it's no different now.

44:15Kristen Welker: Leader Schumer, for his part, is brushing off concerns he's not right for the job. Joining me now is our panel, Mariana Sotomayor, Capitol Hill correspondent for Puck News, Democratic strategist Doug Thornell, and Garrett Graves, former Republican congressman from Louisiana. Thanks to all of you for being here. Great to see you on this Friday after Election Day. Mariana, let me start with you. We are going to get to the leadership battle in just a moment, but I have to just get your reaction to President Trump appointing Stephen Miller as his new chief of staff. How's that going to play on Capitol Hill?

44:45Kristen Welker: I mean, it was a shock to a number of Republicans that I was texting today, whether they were lawmakers or aides. And these are people who are close to Trump as well. I mean, the one thing that I consistently heard was, was any lesson learned in terms of what happened? because when you look at the House Republican majority in particular, it is going to be incredibly small. And there have been a number of Republicans who have been thinking about, like, where do we go from here? Do we actually go against the president in some form or fashion? A lot of people were kind of thinking, well, let's put the blame on the administration.

45:18Kristen Welker: But now that he has put Stephen Miller right there front and center, and there have been some Republicans who have publicly said that he should shoulder the blame for Latino voters, There's a number of Latino voters. I've heard from, for example, Marlon Stussman. He said that this is a horrible, horrible decision. Congressman, how do you see it? And do you think it sends a signal that instead of bipartisanship, there could be more gridlock?

45:42Reid Wilson: Look, I understand the reaction, but the reality is the chief of staff is not an external position. That's someone that is supposed to be advising the president that is on the inside. And I think that the president wants somebody that he's comfortable with and he wants somebody who understands Capitol Hill. At the end of the day, it's the president's decisions. And we're going to I think we've already seen the president talk about his willingness to work with Congress. And I think that you're going to see a significant change in the direction of the White House moving forward in regard to its relationships with Congress.

46:09Kristen Welker: So you still think that they can get stuff done with Democrats? The president said he's willing to try.

46:14Reid Wilson: It takes two, as you know. And I think as long as the congressional Democrats are willing to work together, then yes, I think that they can get things done.

46:23Kristen Welker: Doug, how do you see this? And to that point, Democrats have a mandate to get stuff done. So they're going to have to work with this president and this administration if they really want to do that. How do you think they're going to approach working with Stephen Miller?

46:37Reid Wilson: Well, I'll get to that. But Stephen Miller is the poster child for failing up. I mean, if you think about what happened in this election two years ago, one of the greatest strengths of Donald Trump was his position on immigration. He had a he was his numbers versus Kamala Harris were through the roof. You could argue that was one of the reasons why he won. Now, when you look at exit polling, basically both parties are trusted on immigration. Obviously, a lot of the policies of Stephen Miller as it relates to ICE and and and many other things that were were reasons why we saw huge Hispanic turnout that went against the president.

47:13Reid Wilson: So I think that this sends the wrong message. If you're the White House, the chief of staff is the second most important person in Washington, D.C. He is an internal, but he's also he has to have a lot of these relationships on the Hill. I think most Democrats don't like him. I don't think he has built any any sort of relationships with Democrats. You saw the reaction from Hakeem Jeffries. It's a it's a surprising move. And for a lot of the Democrats I talked to who are still in the House and Senate, they were pretty shocked by it. So if the message from Trump is, look, I do want to work with Democrats.

47:46Reid Wilson: I'm not sure if appointing Stephen Miller is the is the right way to accomplish that.

47:51Kristen Welker: All right. We'll watch how it's all going to play out. Let's talk about this battle over who's going to be in leadership on the Democratic side. Mariana, you saw what some of the incoming senators, Adam Hamilton, Troy Jackson, had to say about Chuck Schumer. But Chuck Schumer has been pretty defiant that he thinks he's going to be the next minority majority leader. How do you see this battle playing? Yeah. Him and his team are very much signaling that he is the guy. And frankly, the one thing that you've heard, you do hear privately from a number of Senate Democrats as well as aides, is that who is going to be the person that can step up and has the experience to do his job?

48:29Kristen Welker: And of course, this is a secret ballot that happens behind closed doors. So that will give some of these Democrats the opportunity to say, I voted for somebody else, but maybe they do end up putting Schumer's name right. So that's something that could also happen on the House Republican side, where I'm sure you could hear in the next couple of days a number of Republicans saying, oh, I'm going to vote for Scalise or I'm going to vote for Jordan. But really, it is a private moment. And that ends up helping whoever has a natural advantage. That's a really good point. Let's talk about some of the other names, Doug, that have been thrown about to be the majority leader.

49:04Kristen Welker: Senator Chris Van Holland of Maryland, Arizona Senator Mark Kelly, Michigan Senator Alyssa Slotkin. Do you think any of them could actually gain enough momentum to beat out Chuck Schumer?

49:16Reid Wilson: I love all three of them. Let me just say that. I mean, look, I think it's a hard fight because, look, there's going to be probably 56 senators in the Democratic caucus. Mr. Schumer needs a simple majority. So he can afford to probably lose seven, eight, nine, ten. Now, look, if there's a public, you know, movement, then that becomes a different issue. But like that's hard to do when you just had the type of victory that Schumer had two or three days ago. Right. And so I just think like I think it's unlikely. I think it's unlikely those three challenge him. They're all great. I mean, and there's probably other people.

50:00Reid Wilson: But I just think it's unlikely. I think the eight or so Democrats that you mentioned can still register. they can still say they wrote in someone else and make good on that promise. But I just think it's I think it's really unlikely that there's going to be someone who can mobilize enough support to defeat Chuck Schumer.

50:19Kristen Welker: Congressman Grace, how do you see it? I mean, President Trump has said he has a good relationship with Chuck Schumer. Do Republicans, does President Trump at least look at a Chuck Schumer and say, we do go way back? He might be the best person to lead the Democrats.

50:32Reid Wilson: Look, they're both from New York. I think they do have similar styles. We just talked about the polarization of Stephen Miller. Now we're going to Chuck Schumer, who I would argue is potentially also a polarizing figure. But the thing that's interesting in this case is that you have some more conservative members, like Tal Rico and Hamilton, as well as folks like El Sayyad, on the far left, that are saying they're not going to support him. I agree with Doug. I think he's going to have safe election into the majority leader. I think he's got the ability to lose some members. But at the end of the day, what this comes down to, and I think one of the most important things we need to take away from this election, we just saw two years go to wild swing in one direction.

51:06Reid Wilson: Now we're seeing a wild swing in the other. I think we really need to look at the incentives in elections and look at open primaries and giving voters the ability to produce candidates that are not as fringe to where you're not going to see America whips off from one side to the other. This open primary approach is something that makes a lot of sense. There was a study done by United America that said that almost 90 percent of House members are elected by only 10 percent of voters. That's not democracy.

51:31Kristen Welker: And there is a big discussion about whether there should be an open primary system. Mariana, let's zoom out to that point. I mean, voters are basically saying we want stuff to get done. And when you talk to Democrats, and I just interviewed Congresswoman-elect Kate Conley, she says, yes, affordability is at the top of her agenda. At the same time, there should be oversight. She noted she is concerned about overreach. How are Democrats telling you they're going to balance these two things? Yeah, you know, it's really interesting because I'm sure you may have even gotten calls before the election where you had progressives and centrist already claiming, hey, our victory is coming because of, you know, people like me.

52:09Kristen Welker: Now that it is such a massive majority, I have heard more, OK, not one group can just stand up and say, I'm going to take this bill. There is much more collaboration going on. And I do think that those messages of affordability, health care, all of that, that the Democrats have been advocating for, does help them stay united at the beginning. I would give it the first several hours. I mean, you know, when it comes to those investigations, the one thing I hear from Democrats is we have to tie everything back, corruption back to affordability so voters understand. However, do we have the discipline?

52:47Kristen Welker: Do we have the focus to actually be able to do that and not be framed as an anti-Trump party again? Doug, do you think they have the discipline to be that focused?

52:56Reid Wilson: Well, they demonstrated that they had the discipline on the campaign trail to focus their message on costs, on corruption, on fixing a broken system. Now, when you get to Washington, it's a little bit different deal, right? You could just get a lot of people pulling at you. But I do think that the most important look, this first six months of this Congress are going to be really important. Voters are going to want to see action. I think Democrats need to manage some expectations here because they don't have the White House. Right. Right. But that shouldn't stop them from passing things like banning congressional stock trading or figuring out a way to pass something for health care premium subsidies or ethics reforms.

53:33Reid Wilson: Right. They should do all of that. But it's going to be hard when you don't have the White House. But I think they just need to show action.

53:39Kristen Welker: All right. Great conversation. Thank you so very much for being here on this Friday, Mariana, Doug and Congressman Graves. Appreciate it. Coming up, we are marking a very big milestone for the longest running show on television. Keep it right here on Meet the Press Now.

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55:47Kristen Welker: Welcome back. We want to take a moment to celebrate an amazing milestone for the longest running show in television history. On this day, 79 years ago, November 6, 1947, Meet the Press aired for the very first time. The show's first moderator, Martha Roundtree, brought viewers what NBC called America's press conference of the air. Back in 1947, Meet the Press was the only show where Americans could watch reporters ask government officials tough questions, holding the country's leaders to account.

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56:52Cait Conley: as long as the press of America is free America will be free and what we have tried to do is to bring the press conference, the heart of our free press to the whole nation. Here reporters have an opportunity to get at the roots of what the American people ought to know. Through their searching questions, through these free exchanges, the public gets a better insight into our leaders and the course they pursue. An informed public means a strong republic, and Meet the Press is dedicated to that cause.

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