Germany survive Ivory Coast, Netherlands smash Sweden, and USA predictions with Jurgen Klinsmann: Night Cup 6/20/26

21 Jun 2026 · 53 min · 25 chapters

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In short

The episode is a Match Day recap and World Cup preview on Men in Blazers: Night Cup (6/20/26), focused on Group-stage results and what they mean for the U.S. and other contenders. It highlights Germany’s comeback vs Ivory Coast to reach the knockout rounds, the Netherlands’ 5-1 demolition of Sweden (with Cody Gakpo scoring twice), and Curacao’s historic draw with Ecuador (0-0) powered by goalkeeper Eloy Room’s 15 saves. It also discusses Scotland’s qualification hopes after Ecuador–Curacao ended level, and broader “home advantage” and momentum themes.

Guest

Jürgen Klinsmann, former Germany and U.S. coach; World Cup winner as a player (1990), led Germany to the 2006 final, and coached the U.S. in 2014.

Key claims

the U.S. is maturing and becoming decisive through European club experience and tournament confidence; knockout football is “purely mental,” and the U.S. can surprise; Germany can go far if focused and avoids negativity.

Notable examples

Klinsmann compares U.S. momentum to Germany 2006’s “avalanche,” cites Greece 2004 and Miracle on ice-style upsets, and predicts Brazil as a likely winner.

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Chapters

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Reflecting on Recent Matches

0:00 to 0:30

Discussion about the recent performances of various teams in the World Cup.

“For nearly two decades, almost as long as Tim Ream has been in the US Men's National Team, Allstate has backed the growth of this game in every corner of this great footballing nation.”

Reflecting on Recent Matches

1:23 to 1:36

Discussion about the recent performances of various teams in the World Cup.

“Visa gives local business owners the tools and support to be ready for moments exactly like this one, welcoming you to enjoy the games this summer.”

Reflecting on Recent Matches

3:39 to 4:40

Discussion about the recent performances of various teams in the World Cup.

“It was an amazing, amazing day, just in Seattle in general.”

Germany vs. Ivory Coast Match Analysis

4:41 to 7:30

In-depth analysis of Germany's comeback victory against Ivory Coast.

“Zachary1984 says, play you for a Roger Lou.”

Netherlands' Strong Performance Against Sweden

7:31 to 11:25

Discussion on Netherlands' impressive win over Sweden and key players.

“Deep Cut History Bants are the best history bants.”

Ecuador vs. Curacao and Other Tournament Insights

11:26 to 14:00

Overview of the match between Ecuador and Curacao and other tournament highlights.

“They're a team that likes to grow into the tournament.”

Curacao's Historic Tournament Debut

14:00 to 16:10

Learn about Curacao's remarkable journey and standout performances in the World Cup.

“Every single game for Curacao in this tournament is a historic first.”

Analyzing the U.S. Team's Performance

17:55 to 21:00

Discussion on the U.S. team's recent successes and their potential going forward in the tournament.

“That is a deep putt of a Spurs shirt, that is.”

Maturation of the U.S. Team

21:01 to 25:08

Exploration of how the U.S. team has matured and adapted during the tournament.

“Because it's all about the creme de la creme plays in the Champions League.”

The Power of Home Advantage

25:09 to 28:00

Insight into how playing at home impacts team morale and national support during the World Cup.

“They have, with Christian Pulisic, an exceptional player that can lead that team.”
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The Emotional Power of the World Cup

28:00 to 29:00

Explore how World Cups can ignite national pride and emotional connections.

“You'll notice, Rog, that there was no Boston video there, because that now belongs to Scotland.”

Memorable Moments in Tournament History

29:00 to 30:00

Jürgen shares personal experiences of unforgettable moments from past tournaments.

“has a successful game, scores some cool goals, then you ride that wave with the team emotionally.”

The Importance of Seizing the Moment

30:00 to 31:10

The necessity for teams to capitalize on unique opportunities during home World Cups.

“One million people at the Brandenburg Gate were waiting for us at 10 a.m.”

Building Momentum in Tournaments

31:10 to 37:50

Discusses how teams gain momentum and the importance of public perception in tournaments.

“If they were to get to the last 16 or even further, then that is an avalanche.”

The Future of American Soccer

37:50 to 41:40

Analyzing how current successes can shape the future of soccer in the U.S.

“Oh, hey man, Jürgen Klinsmann I've got to ask you the hard-hitting one now here's the deal, two games, six points and suddenly even Zlatan Ibrahimovic is asking can the United States win this bloody thing?”

Predictions and Expectations

41:40 to 42:01

Jürgen and the hosts discuss their predictions for the tournament and team performances.

“because millions of kids are playing soccer throughout the entire nation, enjoy the game, they have a blast, girls and boys.”

Post-World Cup Landscape for Soccer

42:01 to 42:44

Learn about the upcoming leagues and the impact of social media on soccer engagement.

“the World Cup will finish in several decades.”

Predictions on Team Performance

42:44 to 44:32

Hear Jurgen Klinsmann's insights on which teams will excel in the World Cup.

“I was actually going to ask you, who's going to go further from what you've seen, the United States or Germany?”

The Case for Brazil's Success

44:32 to 46:08

Understand why Brazil could be a surprise contender despite early struggles.

“How do you say turn your man shaft in Portuguese is what you're saying?”

Camaraderie and Team Spirit in Tournaments

46:08 to 47:10

Explore the importance of team dynamics and energy in a prolonged tournament.

“It feels like we are 87 days into this World Cup, which means...”

Reflections with Jurgen Klinsmann

47:10 to 48:10

Reflect on Jurgen Klinsmann's tenure and his optimistic outlook on the U.S. team.

“That makes it sound a bit like Netflix will get at least one more documentary where a team refuses to get off the bus.”

Upcoming Matches and Player Highlights

48:10 to 49:52

Get updates on notable upcoming matches and key players to watch.

“We will be third stop Match Day Live Tour at the iconic Union Station.”

Cultural Shifts in Football

49:52 to 51:15

Discuss the evolving football identities of teams like Egypt and their strategies.

“He broke down in tears at the end of the game against Spain.”

Scotland's Influence on Boston

51:15 to 52:26

Delve into the cultural impact of Scottish fans in Boston during the World Cup.

“Elijah Just was brilliant in that first game.”

Tourism and World Cup Effects

52:26 to 53:28

Learn how hosting the World Cup influences tourism to countries like Scotland.

“But this ultimately is what the World Cup is all about, baby.”
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Transcript

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0:00Rog:For nearly two decades, almost as long as Tim Ream has been in the US Men's National Team, Allstate has backed the growth of this game in every corner of this great footballing nation. From grassroots pitches to the biggest stages, they've been here, believing in it, protecting its future, because supporting soccer, it's not just about match days. And that's why Allstate offers affordable coverage at personalised rates, so you can spend less time worrying and more time watching. Check Allstate first for a quote that could save you hundreds. Visit allstate.com or call a local agent today. Allstate, you're in good hands.

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2:34Yo!

2:35Rog:Ecuador, you're gonna beat Germany! I promise! Oh no, I don't. I've just pissed off a very large German man on the front row. You're all going to get through. Day 10 of the Copa das Copas. Ecuador have just got a massive point against massive, massive mighty Curacao. Germany came from behind to drop an audacious ivory coast and reach the knockout rounds for the first time since winning it all in 2014. Netherlands tore Sweden apart like a lingonbury, and we're back in your loving arms at the Michelob Ultra Pitside Club and the Santa Monica Beer. Woo! Oh, America. We're here for Night Cup, presented by Michelob Ultra.

3:22Rog:That's when I have to channel my inner Christian Pulisic and say, play your funny ultras. And I don't know about you, Rory, but I'm still buzzing from last night's performance. Starting to feel like 1930 again. In what way? Yeah, it was an amazing... We got in the semi-finals that year. We don't talk about that enough. It was an amazing, amazing day, just in Seattle in general. Our whole city came out. It was shirts from... We got up at 5 o 'clock in the morning, Rog, because we were that excited. Yeah. And there were shirts, there were fans out from that point. And then the noise in the stadium was incredible.

3:56The performance was maybe not as thrilling as the 4-1 against Paraguay, but it was a mature performance. Sometimes you just beat the team in front of you, and that's what they did.

4:04Rog:But, you know, since we last spoke, I don't know if you know, Turkey crumbled against Paraguay, who topped the group.

4:16Rog:God bless. And it feels like we have waited since 1776 for a team like this. We're going to talk about it. We've got Jurgen Klinsmann, the former US and German coach, coming up to join us, talk about both teams. But the game against Turkey, I think, is going to be, what's a word for it? A dead rubber. A layup. Ah. And thanks to all of us who are joining us on the chat on YouTube. We can say that safely now. Zachary1984 says, play you for a Roger Lou. It is going to catch on. It's not working, Roger. It's not working. I want to break down today's action quickly, but I've got to say, what we experienced in Seattle was so stunning, Roar.

4:57Rog:Walking through the streets last night, thousands of shirts everywhere, every TV in every single restaurant blaring the game. And Ro, get this, on my flight this morning to LA, I crap you not, this is what it looked like when I boarded. This is the America I want to live in. Look at this, it's what America looks like now. It's what America looks like now, proper football nation. I didn't even get a trophy. Are you booking more expensive tickets than me? Do they all have your name on the back? Well, you know they knew I was going to. For me, you think. I'll get you some pretzels on the next flight.

5:41Rog:But this is where everyone was buzzing when we were boarding. Apart from the Australians who were on the flight, one guy got on the flight. He saw hundreds of U.S. jerseys. He just looked at me and he goes, what in the living hell is this? he goes first you beat us and then you make us fly on the plane that's covered in your shirts um we are you're enjoying what they call pochettino on local tv poach coach poach i'm loving it loving it i love america i also love this story on twitter at typefast posted this spanish twitter is calling pochettino La Malinche for teaching the USA to play football.

6:29Rog:Bro, I had to look out what La Malinche was, but you just dropped the knowledge. Malinche was the, I think she was originally a slave girl from one of the other Aztec tribes who helped Cortez kind of conquer the new world. So she's a complicated figure, like a feminist icon, but with some weird politics. The Europeans are worried. We really want the US to love football. but to a certain level. We don't want you being better at us than it. That would upset the balance of power that's very precious to it. I'm not sure what's speeding faster, AI or American becoming world dominant at men's football, and I love them both.

7:11Rog:I actually hate the first one. I like the second one. But the La Malinche thing is crazy. It both means translator. Like, this is the man who's translating football to Americans, and it also means treat up. This is a man who's ruined our fun. We used to love laughing at America, being terrible at it, and Coach Poach has ruined it for everyone. God bless. Deep Cut History Bants are the best history bants. Let's quickly run through the games today. We have just, oh, this afternoon, Germany 2, Coach Du Bois won. Any German fans here tonight? God bless. A lot of German shirts. Yeah, a lot of them on there, yeah.

7:53Rog:God, Germany, this is like as if Philip Roth, the plot against America. That guy's wearing a Germany shirt and a Liverpool hat. That is a high-quality combination. Or a human darkness, depending where you sit. This is a decisive battle for Groupie. First truly serious test of Germany's steal. They had the Everybody Eats game against Curacao. Seven goals from six different goal scorers. This is the first serious challenge. Ivory Coast, youngest squad at this tournament. entering after their late, late, great show against Ecuador. And they carried on their form, played compact at the back, broke when they wanted.

8:31Rog:Another goal that came right after the water break timeout. And it was Yandy Amande, that 19-year-old kind of speed. But he's a tank. He's both fast and strong and coveted. And it feels like the dollar number by his name goes up with every game. Broke down byline, spread it across to Frank Cassie. Germany trailing at the break. what in the Freddy 7ALs no one's thinking about Freddy it was kind of at halftime it felt like what fell like what well it felt like Germany might be doing it again just bear in mind that this is a German team that got knocked out and I take no pleasure in saying this is a British person that got knocked out in 2018 at the group stage got knocked out in 22 in the group stage and came into this tournament we forget it because they beat Cura South 7-1 but that came into this tournament on the verge of like a psychological breakdown at the sign of the first setback.

9:24So I think at that point, to go in at half time, lose into the Ivory Coast, which is a team we've kind of slept on a little bit, I think, in the build-ups of this tournament. World Cup of AFCOM. Exactly. That would have been a real psychological test for Germany. This is exactly what they feared happening. Another World Cup and another embarrassment.

9:42Rog:Second half, Ivory Coast stifled the game. Broadcasters were so bored they started to talk, I crap you not about the local beaver art in Toronto. Fine. I, for one, was interested. And then two of Nagelsmann's substitutes combined, Nadiem Amiri, an Afghani-German. There's the beaver. That is, I mean, that's not what beavers look like in the wild, is it? I've never seen one, but that's how they look like in my nightmares, to be quite candid. Artful arcing cross onto Dennis Undav's foot, finished from close range. Incredible moment for Amiri. Nagelsmann brought back into the team a surprise, five-year absence, 29 years old, 12th German cap.

10:22Rog:I mean, it was very much a double rejoicing of the coach's faith in that moment. Yeah, and Undav was a sort of complicated selection as well. He's had a remarkable journey. And I think there was a point where it looked like he wouldn't be in the squad at all. For him to come on and deliver like that was huge for him. And I guess it gives Nagelsmann something to think about in the future as well. Late in stoppage time, 94th minute, Undav struck again. Focal point strikers, one of the themes of this World Cup. Undav, another player who's brought it back into the fold unexpectedly. It's kind of an incredible story.

10:57Rog:Four years ago, that man was playing in the Belgian second division. Now got five goal involvements off the bench in this tournament. The most ever in a single World Cup. Life and football are amazing. Ivory coach turned to collapse at the last. at PR Toops in the chat says, best team lost today. Ivory Coast deserved better. And as you say, two uncharacteristic exits in group stages. Germany are through to the knockouts. They're a team that likes to grow into the tournament. How afraid should we be? Well, I mean, once the Germans are winning games when they're not playing very well, history does teach us that that's not a great sign for everybody else.

11:37I think I'd be interested to see whether they've got enough goals in them outside of UNDAV. Germany produced loads of really neat football. There's that kind of technical midfielder model, whether it's Kimmich or Wurtz or Musiala. But there's not that much cutting edge to Germany, and that, I think, might hold them back. But look, they've got over the first hurdle. They have got out of the groups. And for a traditional minnow like Germany, Rog, that's really important.

12:02Rog:Houston, Netherlands 5, my lord. Graham Potter's Sweden 1. How are the turntables? World Cup narrative changes. in the blink of an eye for so many teams. Sweden opened with a 5-1 win. This second one, they didn't enjoy so much. Most colorful day in the World Cup. Everything was either orange or yellow in that stadium. And Brown Brodby was the scintillating force of nature. Two goals, twice a brace, what they now call a balligan. I think within 14 minutes, quickest in 20 years. The Swedish defense was tossed around like a flower crown after Midsomer. Cody Gakpo he becomes 2002 Ronaldo when he's playing in international tournaments Cody Gakpo is a force of nature all that bit where he looked like he was rubbish for Liverpool that's all just been it's rope-a-dump he's been tricking you he's been saving himself for marriage he just Cody Gakpo hates the Swedes famously hates the Swedes he was genuinely brilliant today and he is he's had a weird season Gakpo but he is a real threat putting him off that that left hand side you know what Cody Gakpo's going to do going to do but if he can work the angle and get the touch then he that is his goal he's got two of them today he's a he's a weapon for the dutch a lot we said before didn't we that a lot of like bookmakers a lot of the prediction markets they quite like the netherlands for this tournament they haven't been talked about a huge amount partly because they've got a former everton manager in charge of them but they have got a really high quality squad they've got a lot of nice balance they've got a brilliant midfield and you know what brian brobbett is is such a weapon to have because he is such a handful.

13:42He might not be the most kind of elegant forward in the world. He's not the most technically accomplished, but he's so strong. He works so hard. He's a real cutting edge for them. As we say, strikers in this tournament are gold dust and they've got one.

13:57Rog:We're worried who's going to score the goals for the Dutch. Turns out the answer is everybody. Ecuador nil, Curacao nil. Every single game for Curacao in this tournament is a historic first. Smallest nation to ever qualify for the finals. Oldest manager to ever prowl the technical area. They're here to make memories. I love listening to Dick Advocat ahead of this one. He said Ecuador has a better team than we do, but will make them work for the money and work hard they did. Talent gap was evident but with 97 year old Enna Valencia leading the Ecuadorian line, there's a lot of attack does a lot of blunt effort for both teams, to be honest.

14:39Rog:They both had their chances. But huge, huge love to Curacao's goalkeeper, Eloy Rue. Plays for Miami FC. Not that one. The second-tier USL side. And today, he went full-on for Xenia. 15 saves. I think only Tim Howard has more in World Cup history. At Noah Spurs, 125 in the chat says, Eloy Rue is how you say Tim Howard and Curacao. Massive moment. Gorgeous point. The big winners are this one. FIFA, when I say 48-game tournament, team tournament, there are no bad teams, I'll say that. And also, Scotland. It is a good result for Scotland. So the Scottish perspective, which is the way we should all be viewing this World Cup, especially the people of Boston, they need the Stots to go through.

15:27They've got their own national team. It's now sovereign Scottish territory. Scotland need teams to finish third with less than three points. And Ecuador and Curaçao draw, and I think it means there's a decent chance now that Ecuador and Curaçao don't get more than two. Curaçao, I don't think, will beat the Ivory Coast. Ecuador could beat Germany, but I think it's unlikely. So that is one group down for Scotland, hopefully. But the performance of Eli Rune was, it was so good. I mean, he was helped a little bit by the fact that Ena Valencia seemed to think that the aim of the game was to kick the ball at the goalkeeper.

16:02Because all of the chances came straight to him. but the reactions, the performance, the heroics, that was a genuinely great World Cup moment.

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17:20Rog:It's time to bring out a man who's lived the highs and lows and everything in between of this tournament. He's lifted the iconic gold trophy as a player with Germany in 1990. Came so close to repeating that as a manager in 2006, then moved to California. Gave this nation one of our most thrilling World Cup memories in 2014 through that gorgeous group stage campaign into the Belgian wonder. To talk about this World Cup so far, to talk about the ballomania that is sweeping the nation. It's a joy to welcome Mr. Jürgen Klinsmann.

18:12Rog:Spurs shirts are out for Jürgen. That is a deep putt of a Spurs shirt, that is.

18:17Jurgen Klinsmann:That's an old one there.

18:19Rog:When you look at that Spurs jersey, your Spurs jersey, what does it make? Does it seem like it was recent or does it seem like it was decades ago? The Jürgen Klinsmann Tottenham Hotspur days.

18:30Jurgen Klinsmann:that looks like four goals in Watford

18:35Rog:Joachim I want to talk to you about the German heroics this afternoon but we do want to talk about the US journey so far because I think you can put it into perspective for us back to back World Cup wins for the first time in 96 years Tim Rehm was just 10 years old the last time we did this we've had such a turbulent time this cycle we've struggled in big games but the last 180 minutes has been magnificent how do you understand it how do you explain to yourself what's happened that this team has suddenly become exquisite well i think um the team is is gelling the team is kind of coming together and

19:21Jurgen Klinsmann:and they they're on a mission they get along they have a good spirit they have a good camaraderie They're guided by a coach who is very experienced. You know, he's coached big teams in Europe. And they have a lot of talent. They have quality. And I think, you know, they kind of had to prove it to themselves in the first game against Paraguay that they really can control a game, that they can put them under pressure, that they can be relentless, that they can be aggressive and didn't let them breathe at all. And then kind of the goals that were coming in. And in a certain way, not on the same level, but almost on the same level they repeated it in game number two.

20:00Jurgen Klinsmann:And it gives you a crazy amount of confidence and belief. And this is really what a tournament is all about. It's about believing in the next step in the tournament. And there's always the next game coming. And I think this group of players, they are in a good spot. Also, personally, they're playing for big teams now in Europe. AC Milan, Juventus, Olympique Marseille, and so forth. which we never really had to that extreme in the past. And this, I think, gives us a lot of belief that they can go further than ever before. That was something that always seemed to hold the US back, was maybe not having that experience of really high pressure, like the highest pressure games you can have in latter stages of the Champions League, cup finals in Europe, big games in Serie A or La Liga or the Premier League.

20:53That must make a difference in this situation.

20:55Jurgen Klinsmann:Yeah, it makes a difference for the players when they see that somebody within the team is playing on a Champions League level. Because it's all about the creme de la creme plays in the Champions League. And if you want to measure yourself with the other players from Argentina, Brazil, whatever, Germany, Spain, and whatever countries, especially the Premier League, then you need to kind of see them on a regular base. And that makes a big difference. So now when they see them and play against them, it's nothing new, right? Because they do that in their club teams. And so the confidence is now rising.

21:32Jurgen Klinsmann:And then you now play on the home soil. I mean, this is huge. I mean, playing in front of your own fans, your family, everybody around, it gives you such a boost. And also believe in yourself because you want to do it super good for everybody.

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21:47Rog:I mean, I want to talk more about that. You lived that in 2006 with Germany. And we saw yesterday in Seattle, I mean, Seattle showed up for this team and really, really lifted them. But the first thing I want to ask you is about the maturing of this team. Yesterday, Australia tried to give them a kicking, tried to drag them down into a knife fight. This is a team that in the past would have, you know, it's a team of brothers. They do get into it. They like to show they won't back down. This is one of the first times they had the maturity to actually fight back, but through football. They played their game.

22:24Rog:They didn't get thrown off. They kept their heads and they fought back with swass and with goals and with real collective tenacity. There's been a maturing that's occurred with this team. You know, we're fighting, but we're fighting through our plate as opposed to the elbows.

22:41Jurgen Klinsmann:Yeah, and that's the difference in the process and the maturity of a team. When you understand, OK, you're going to get in a scrappy game, it's going to be physical, it's going to be nasty, and you've got to keep your cool. Because if you don't keep your cool in a World Cup game and you're getting sent off for a game or two, that could kill your team. It could kill the entire team really quickly. And I think the players now have that experience playing in big European clubs, that even if it gets a little bit choppy, you know, they fight back, but they're not going beyond it. And so now when the tournament goes on, those moments will come where you're right on the edge in between hitting back or doing something stupid.

23:26Jurgen Klinsmann:Look at Almiron maybe today. Then that can really kind of, yeah, kill the entire team. But I think the U.S. team now is mature enough to avoid these moments and add something on their side, kind of in terms of rhythm and speed. Yeah, they're decisive. They are decisive.

23:49Rog:There's a joy to this team. There's something that reminds me of your 2006 German team. German football was seen as dour. It was seen as pragmatic. It was seen as robust. Your 2006 team was a bullion. It was an aura team. It was ecstatic. This team is the most joyous U.S. men's team I have seen. I mean, I think that's what's ultimately creating a sense of euphoria. It's the style of play they're playing.

24:20Jurgen Klinsmann:Yeah, I think it's just, it's everything we wished for, you know, before the tournament. And also, similar to Mexico and to Canada, you want them to do well because you're the host of this special competition. And if you do well as the host, you can catch a wave, a really big wave. I mean, it happened with us in 2006 in Germany. You called it an avalanche. Yeah, it is. Yeah, it was an avalanche. And the players, they were also insecure before the first game. They were nervous. We were all nervous and stuff. But then we kicked it off. We won the first game, scored some beautiful goals. And suddenly you get on that wave and it got bigger and bigger and bigger.

24:58Jurgen Klinsmann:And I think the U.S. team now, and also Mexico and Canada in a certain way, they have this opportunity they really have the opportunity now to make something happen that was never there before and can go far because the difference between the group stage and a knockout phase is really is mental it's a purely mental difference so you have to go into a knockout game in a way it's it's a final you play one final after another if you you know pass the first one But I think they're capable to do that because they have the quality. They have, with Christian Pulisic, an exceptional player that can lead that team.

25:39Jurgen Klinsmann:You have Weston McKinney with experience. You have Tyler Adams. You have so many kids in that team that if one guy is not showing up, the other guy will show up. And that's my hope. In 2006, the day after you won that first game against Costa Rica, Could you feel the difference among the players? Did they feel more relaxed, more at ease with themselves? Yeah, you could, because before every starting game in a tournament, there's nervous moments. You know, you're afraid of certain things. You know, you're not so sure how to get into the tournament. And then you got that off the shoulder. So with that game against Paraguay, they got that off the shoulder and they said, wow, you know, now let's see.

26:24Jurgen Klinsmann:Let's see what we can do. And the people join in, you know, the fans join in, and suddenly, you know, the energy is getting bigger and bigger and bigger. And that doesn't mean that you kind of fly over the opponents now, but the opponents are watching that. They're seeing that energy, they're feeling it, and they're seeing the confidence in the American players now, and they now approach the U.S. completely different. You know, whoever we're going to meet in the round of 32, they will be very kind of they will study them deeply and they will be not scared but they will have a lot of respect for the American side

27:02Rog:I have staff in England who have been speaking to a lot of English fans and they're like oh my god, this US team are good and I'm fascinated by how home advantage worked, I found it very moving watching I mean let's play it, the cities across America starting to rise up behind this.

27:57Rog:What are you telling what you're laughing at? Is it even the staff people were there? You'll notice, Rog, that there was no Boston video there, because that now belongs to Scotland. I know. I know, I know. They didn't even know the game. They're not interested. They've seeded. They've seeded now. They're part of Aesha. The reality is, that just looked like my flight today to Los Angeles. Each of those pieces. Can you describe what happens? You lived it in Germany. This team have galvanized the country behind them. And it really is. It's about, we saw it in Seattle, across America, there's a two-way energy where the fans are investing in this team.

28:36Rog:The team are vibing back to the fans. I mean, it's just like a beautiful, beautiful circle. It is an incredible intangible.

28:43Jurgen Klinsmann:Oh, it's an incredible energy, even if you just see those pictures on TV or on social media, because it unites everybody. And this is what a World Cup can do. A World Cup can ignite emotions that you've never experienced before. So now if your favorite team makes it into the next round, has a successful game, scores some cool goals, then you ride that wave with the team emotionally. You will always remember where you were at one specific moment in time during the tournament, especially when they win their game. So now if you see Mexico, if you see Canada and the U.S. going further and further, their fans, they will always remember that specific moment in time.

29:24Jurgen Klinsmann:And it can culminate into some ecstasy in a certain way. So we experienced it with Germany. We ended up third in a tournament. So we didn't win the tournament, obviously. Italy won the tournament against France. But we were, after the third place game, we beat Portugal with Cristiano Ronaldo. we were asked to come back we played in a different city in Stuttgart and we were asked to come back to Berlin in our capital just to greet the fans and we thought really I mean it's just third place right that's a very German mentality but I went to the captain was Michael Ballack you know and so I went to the team and I said guys do you want to go back to Berlin and just have a party with the fans and they said oh absolutely So next morning, early morning, we took the plane, we went up there.

30:18Jurgen Klinsmann:One million people at the Brandenburg Gate were waiting for us at 10 a.m. in the morning to say thank you. It was before the final, before Italy played France. And we thought, what is happening here? So a World Cup can develop these type of moments that you will never ever forget. and I hope for the US team and also the Mexican and Canadian, the host teams, I hope for them that they they grab that moment in time and give everything, everything they have because it's not going to come back anymore. No player will play another World Cup in its own country. It's not going to happen anymore. So now it's the moment to understand that in which they do, all of them, all three nations understand that moment and have a blast.

31:07And we have to remember, Rog, that this is only really the start. obviously this world cup has already been going on for two and a half years but this is with what 10 days in they'll play turkey which now there's nothing riding on it but if you know avoid defeat top the group keep the field good factor going if they were to win that round of 32 game then what we've seen so far from from those cities across the country from the fans where we've been in la and seattle and i went to tanzas city as well like you are seeing shirts around you had mentioned earlier actually when we were off stage that in Germany in 2006 I remember it from watching on TV the number of German flags that were kind of hanging from buildings which in Germany before that was relatively rare here Americans have a slightly more comfortable relationship with that flag than the Germans did in 2006 but we'll see more of that we'll see more people sort of hooked by it and I'm a I'm like an ardent believer that as soon as you're exposed to football you start to understand why it is the best sport it just it just is the best sport There's a reason it's popular.

32:08If they were to get to the last 16 or even further, then that is an avalanche. That is something that gathers speed as it comes downhill and it hits a country. Because in Germany in 2006, it didn't start out like a carnival, but it ended as one.

32:22Rog:Which is the only thing I'm slightly worried about, and I do want to get your take on this. By the way, all it took was the game becoming one of four quarters for America to fall in love, which is kind of mind-blowing. There you go, Adam Dodd. The U.S. men's national team suddenly turned into one of the most complete teams as soon as we divided the game into four quarters. You connect the dots. That's all it took, baby. But I do want to ask you this, which is my one gnawing fear, because I'm a deep pessimist. I know you're a real optimist, which is why I love asking you these questions. But is it almost going too well?

32:59Rog:You know, in the World Cup, there's a notion. It's a German notion. whether it turn the Amanshaft, like a team that plays in the tournament, plays itself into form, finds its rhythm, its best combos. You know, normally after the group stage, finds its rhythm in the early knockout rounds and becomes invincible. It's very rare that a team opens up a bloody World Cup going like, yes, dominance, dominance, and then keeps that going. I mean, I hate this question, but are we almost peaking too soon?

33:34I think, Jürgen, I think you should say no. They don't want to hear yes.

33:39Rog:You can't face the truth.

33:41Jurgen Klinsmann:No, I deeply believe that the way the team plays is a reflection of their country that they represent, what happens in that country at the moment. So when Germany plays here or England plays here or anybody coming here to the United States, they reflect the situation in their home country. And so if there's a positive sense for the tournament, if there's a positive atmosphere, they will carry that into that tournament. They did that, they started the tournament well, they have now two wins. If there's a skeptical approach in the nation, your home nation, and they expect you now to go in another country and play a really good tournament, it will not happen.

34:22Jurgen Klinsmann:So you reflect basically your people. and Germany did that the last two World Cups by flying home right away after the group stage because they were negative towards the host nations where they were going, to Russia and to Qatar. They didn't show the respect for those nations because they thought we have to protest whatever they wanted to protest. But they brought negativity, they brought bad karma into Russia and into Qatar and what happens in sports? You fly straight home. So now I think they learned out of that. I think they focus back on football. They focus on the main thing. They have a very good young team, good players.

35:04Jurgen Klinsmann:And they've sent Freddy over to gas us up.

35:08Rog:That's the good vibe.

35:09Jurgen Klinsmann:And they're down to business. They want to play football now and not talk about world politics or anything else like that. And I think that's why I'm very positive also about the German side, that they can go far. because now they're focused. They're back focused. You are right there, Rogers. I did a little bit of in-depth investigative journalism, by which I mean I checked Wikipedia on my phone. And the last team to win the World Cup, having won all three group games, is Brazil in 2002. As a rule, you don't need to win all three group games. So France in 2018 was a slightly weird example. They drew the last one 0-0 with Denmark because it was an Angeles game, Jürgen.

35:48It was like the disgrace of Pijón. they both needed a draw to get through and they were fine but mostly teams they do build into the tournament that idea is true that you don't need to be perfect straight away i don't i never know whether that turnier manchaft idea is is true or not did you feel that in 1990 did you feel that

36:04Jurgen Klinsmann:you built your way into the tournament yeah we felt like it i mean this is now a long time ago you know and most of the younger people that were not even born there yet but i remember it very I think every World Cup for the World Cup winning nation has a very specific kind of period to go through. It reflects the social and the political environment of that nation. And we had in 1990 the situation that just a couple of months prior to the World Cup, Germany was reunited. East Germany and West Germany came back together. That was in November in 1989 when the wall came down. and suddenly we had the feeling that we have to now do a super, super good job because we reflect now both sides.

36:50Jurgen Klinsmann:And my dad was from East Germany. He left in East Germany after World War II and came to the Western part. And so we knew both worlds really well, but we also felt the responsibility on our shoulders to really represent both sides now. And so I think now for this group of American players that build that core now in this World Cup, I think they feel something bigger. There's something bigger to it than just playing soccer games. There's something that you can actually really get a nation behind this sport that is a very, very popular sport and bring it to a completely new level. And that's alongside the media, because today obviously the media has a bigger role in everything than 10 or 20 years ago.

37:39Jurgen Klinsmann:and I think with every single game they're going to do well I think this country will get bigger and bigger emotionally

37:50Rog:Oh, hey man, Jürgen Klinsmann I've got to ask you the hard-hitting one now here's the deal, two games, six points and suddenly even Zlatan Ibrahimovic is asking can the United States win this bloody thing? I've got to remind everyone our best finish third place in 1930 Tim Ream, a rock at the back in that one. The best result in the modern era, that run to the quarterfinals in 2002.

38:21Rog:Zlatan, is he just gassing us up? Have we seen something that makes you think, this is real, this is a real deal? You always say, yes, you have to believe you can win things. But I mean practically.

38:33Jurgen Klinsmann:Well, practically speaking, you have examples, you know, like obviously the hockey team. the miracle that they made. You have Greece, you know, Greece in 2004, winning the European Championship with Oto Reag, that coach that nobody ever thought they can beat Portugal with Cristiano Ronaldo. And anything is possible. Absolutely. Anything is possible. I mean, you have to go in the knockout phase with a mentality to say one game at a time. And then, obviously, that hope can grow and get bigger and bigger. absolutely is possible that you can win five knockout games in a row. Maybe two or three of them with penalty shootouts.

39:14Jurgen Klinsmann:Who knows? There will be at least two penalty shootouts for the team that goes into the final. I guarantee you that. So England has to be prepared. But I think it's... For Zlatan, it's nothing wrong to say, dream big. There's nothing wrong with it. But take the next game first.

39:37Rog:Where do we rank? We didn't know going into this. All we've done is friendly, friendly, friendly, friendly. So we didn't know what weight class we were in. We didn't know if we were heavyweights, if we were cruiserweights, if we were a big dog that thought they were a little dog. France, good. Argentina, good. England, good. Norway, good. Where are we? What is our weight class? Now we've played two games. Do we know?

40:02Jurgen Klinsmann:Well, you're absolutely in the top 25 somewhere. And when these teams now come up and you face them, you face them eye to eye. You know, there's, so I said, when I coached you, I said, when we went down to Brazil and we beat Ghana in the first game, we played Portugal and Manaus, we almost beat Ronaldo right there until the 93rd minute. So whatever you can do in a group stage, you can do in a knockout phase as well. So, but it is a different mindset that you have to bring into that knockout phase. and it's interesting to see now how these players deal with that situation and they can do well. I think they can really surprise a lot, a lot of people.

40:45Rog:Anything is possible. I love what you've said. A young generation of footballers. They've never seen an optimistic U.S. team. They've never seen it. They're too young to have seen like Clint Dempsey kick a ball, to see Landon Donovan kick a ball. They weren't watching in 2014. How transformative can this moment be? You know, how the American fan base thinks about its team, this can really change everything generationally.

41:13Jurgen Klinsmann:Well, I think over the last 20 years, a lot changed here in this country already in terms of soccer. You know, the growth of MLS, big players coming to America playing here and having certain success in Copa America. Obviously, the Gold Cup here. But obviously, if this team goes into a quarterfinal, a semifinal in this competition, It gives us another level of hype again. And the game will keep growing and growing because millions of kids are playing soccer throughout the entire nation, enjoy the game, they have a blast, girls and boys. And yeah, there's more growth to come. And yeah, with every single game, positive game from this team, it will get another, it will reach another level.

41:59You can see so much of it. That's the thing that obviously the World Cup will finish in several decades. But come August, the European League start again. The NWSL starts on July the 6th or something. The NWSL starts before the World Cup finishes. The Premier League starts again. MLS will start again. The passion that this World Cup starts will have a place to go. And the other thing is, I mean, social media has many things wrong with it, but it lets you consume all this stuff. You can connect to it. And that was different 10 years ago. It was different 20 years ago. This is the platform. what happens after that is the growth I think.

42:35Rog:Amen. Who's going to win it all Jürgen? Tell us, spoiler alert. Rog only likes it if you say the United States. Or Cape Verde. I was actually going to ask you, who's going to go further from what you've seen, the United States or Germany?

42:50Jurgen Klinsmann:Who will go further? Yeah. The US or Germany? Yeah. That's a tough one, don't give me that one. If you give me Germany or England, I will say Germany. but but i mean obviously i i live here almost 30 years you know my wife is from here and i feel big part in myself is american and my my our kids grew up here they are american we hope that our son was maybe in that roster to play this world cup until he had a very very bad accident two two months ago but but there's so much that you know the americans can be proud of in terms of soccer. You know, the growth here with MLS since 30 years, the youth development systems, it's still a bit of a wild west, obviously has always been, but that's okay because this country is so big, it's so different, it gives you so many different faces, which is cool.

43:48Jurgen Klinsmann:I love that. That's why I love to be here. So it will keep growing, but obviously with every game that the team is winning now in this World Cup, it will grow faster.

44:01Rog:Who is going to win it all?

44:03Jurgen Klinsmann:Cape Verde. Who's going to win it all? Yeah.

44:10My guess before the tournament was, and I think it still is, is Brazil.

44:17Jurgen Klinsmann:How popular. Because I was in Qatar and saw the Brazilian team go out in the quarterfinals against Croatia. but until that game against Croatia they were actually the best team in the World Cup and then obviously Neymar decided to play in Saudi Arabia, he broke his ACL he went back to Brazil he's trying to get back fit again he's now in the roster but hasn't played a minute yet but the fact that Brazil decided then they go a different route with a foreign coach, the very first time in their history with Carlo Ancelotti gives me a little bit of sense that there's so much knowledge now there and balance that even if they have started slow, there's no doubt about it, that this team can surprise a lot of people.

45:04So this is my guess.

45:06Rog:How do you say turn your man shaft in Portuguese is what you're saying? You see that team playing themselves more and more into the right starting line, the right energy, the right...

45:15Jurgen Klinsmann:Yeah, so with every game you grow and you tell more with your teammates, with everybody, with the fans. with and and i think this brazil team nobody has them really on on the agenda you know everybody says it's argentina south america obviously it's it's the it's france spain england european nations and there will be some some surprises yeah but but i i think that brazil has something unpredictable you saw in that first game as well the first 30 minutes morocco tore them apart and Carlo worked things out, and in the second half, they had a lot more control. He brought Fabinho on. Carlo is smart enough.

45:58He's so experienced that he will learn from every game in the tournament. And the little things that are wrong, he will put right.

46:05Rog:And that's a massive strength for them. Amen. We will see. It feels like we are 87 days into this World Cup, which means... By the way, that is amazing. You were saying this is the World Cup. You think there's going to be locker rooms that do not make it through this World Cup. It's a long time for these boys to be in Cambray.

46:25Jurgen Klinsmann:Yeah, and this is why the camaraderie and the spirit of that group of people is so important. Only if you keep the energy high and you keep it positive, you can go week by week, game by game. And if they gel and it seems like it, that they really get along with each other, then you can go far. Because there will be moments when other teams will simply run out of gas. They run out of patience, they run out of energy. And so to keep your energy up for almost seven weeks, I mean, five and a half weeks to tournament, and then you have two weeks of preparation, is very, very demanding. It's very difficult.

47:05Jurgen Klinsmann:But I feel that this group of American players, they are able to do that. That makes it sound a bit like Netflix will get at least one more documentary where a team refuses to get off the bus. That would be ideal.

47:18Rog:At least one team refusing to get off the bus. you're in Klinsman. You're a beautiful human being. I've got to say, when you were manager of this team, we did a live show at South by Southwest and in the middle of the show, you just turned around to me and you said, you are so pessimistic, Roger. And nothing has changed. I said to you, you're like, I said, are you a glass half full, man? You're like, the glass is all full. That has not changed. Even I feel better about the United States after listening to you. That's it for Jurgen Klinsmann. Thank you.

48:00Rog:Oh, man. God bless. I've got to tell you, I don't just feel better about the United States. I feel better about life. We will be back in L.A. Two U.S. games behind us. We will be 25th Turkey A. We will be third stop Match Day Live Tour at the iconic Union Station. Are you ready for that, Rul? I think I am. I don't really know what Union Station is or where it is, but I'm excited to find out, Rog. We will be joined by the Rams, Todd Gurley, the captain of the U.S. Women, Lindsay Heaps and Moore. Oh, Mr. Kyle Beckerman also coming back. Is Kyle coming back? We can't get rid of him. Kyle cannot get enough, baby.

48:35Rog:Quick word on tomorrow. Spain in action. Of all the stars at the World Cup, we have yet to see much of Laminya Mall, baby, recuperating from his hamstring knack. Going to be playing, oh, God bless, against the mighty mighty mighty mighty uh he's going to be off the bench uh in the spain cape verd 27 shots couldn't score he says he's ready but he's going to come in uh in the second half again louis de la fuente said this is amazing stop comparing him to leonel messi diego maradona compare him to salvador dali and michelangelo raw not a lot of pressure there then is that is that reducing the pressure or is it increasing it?

49:19I don't know.

49:20Rog:I think it's ratcheting up somewhat, baby. Who's better, Messi or Dali is not a question I've ever thought about. Now the Ronaldo-Messi thing is over. It's finished. Michelangelo. Dali or Messi. It's whole new categories. Could Dali do it on a wet Wednesday in Stoke? Dali wasn't, yeah. I'm not sure you want Dali in camp for six weeks. I think things would get weird. I think you want Dali in a holding with two strikers ahead of him. Big news for Cape Verde. There's a goalkeeping overnight sensation Vazinha will be reunited with his beautiful mum for the game against Uruguay which is stunning. He broke down in tears at the end of the game against Spain.

49:58Rog:Seven saves. Really the most beautiful moment of this World Cup. It's incredible that the US, really, Hakeem Jeffries rushed the paperwork through. It's going to be beautiful to see. Hopefully, the two of them crying with joy at the end of the game against Uruguay. Group G not agree with all four teams on one point each all good for Scotland baby Belgium and Iran here oh my god there is there is a man dressed in in traditional belt that's what if you go to Belgium that is what everyone's on the street is that is the sexiest man in that's actually that's that that is Belgian formal attire they only wear that in the evening it's like a Belgian tuxedo.

50:45Rog:Iran, they're going to be flying in for 24 hours doing that in and out thing, which has led to their manager saying they are, quote, the most oppressed team in the tournament for Belgium. Big Ron will not be starting. Man came on within two minutes and scored, had a water break and looked totally gassed. Facing New Zealand, Egyptian coach Hassan Hassan says he wants to create a new national identity for his squad, Rourke, which involves less one star Mo Salah scored nine times in qualifying it's kind of hard to do that mid tournament though yeah it feels like probably not the right time to have a major cultural shift I would say Egypt we've talked about this in our previews Raj Egypt have a problem because the everyone they're playing knows exactly what they want to do and what they want to do is give the ball to Mo Salah you kind of just have to lean into it at this stage just New Zealand And the Kiwis are good.

51:38Elijah Just was brilliant in that first game. They scored two amazing goals. I think because they're the lowest ranked team here, lower than Cape Verde, lower than Curacao, we kind of looked at them as walkovers. The Kiwis are like the Australians. They know how to strap.

51:54Rog:Ro, the other joy of the day, which I'll say to close, is your Scots team have forever transformed Boston. They've gone on to other universes, and by other universes, they've arrived in Miami. I don't know what you've seen today, but the Scottish fans on cigarette boats just charging down whip bag pipes on the little waterways of Florida. They're going to be putting traffic drones on crocodiles. It's going to be amazing. I was going to say, there's going to be some very, very full alligators in the coming weeks. Alligators. I do think we're going to be declaring a suntan state of emergency across the whole of Florida.

52:30Rog:But this ultimately is what the World Cup is all about, baby. Yeah, the Scots, I mean, obviously I'm biased, but the Scots in Boston have been genuinely amazing. I'm conscious there's a couple of England shirts here. It's going to be really interesting culturally to see what the Bostonians, having been exposed to the Scots, make of the next team who visit their fine city, which is the English. That might be the most peaceful reaction that you get out of the English. No, it's been really uplifting to see. It's been, like, all the stuff is, it's like a summer romance, isn't it? That's what's happened, is that Boston has fallen in love with Scotland.

53:01I'm looking forward to lots of Bostonians going on holiday to Scotland next year and realising that it's not that great. But it has been wonderful to see. It's been really nice to see. They have won the World Cup with Tartanami.

53:11Rog:By the way, tourism from Germany after the last Scottish World Cup went up by like 47%. Like, people fall in love. People love the Stratts, man. And then they go there. And then they go to Scotland and they think, well... We're kidding. It is the most beautiful... I mean, it is the most beautiful part of the world. It's the best bit of Britain, but that is a low bar. That's what I'd say. Liverpool is the best bit of Britain when the sun is out. Yes. Which is like three days a year. Tomorrow, we have another full slate of football, sweet bloody football. Betty Glover runs through the major storylines in our Morning Cup date show right here on the Men in Blazers YouTube.

53:50Rog:We just ran a poll in the YouTube chat. Who is the GOAT, Messi or Dali? This is scientific. Messi, 68%. 30%. Dali, 32%. We've got a very refined YouTube audience. We don't have a very surrealist YouTube audience. 32 % have heard of Dali. That's amazing. I think they think he plays for Aston Villa at left back, and they're not very impressed with what he's doing. I will say I arrived in LA airport, and they had my book in the newsstand, and it was right by Messi's book. And I thought, holy crap, my book is out by one of the greatest writers who's ever written. It was like, genuinely. if you'd have my book by like some Socrates I wouldn't have been what's in Messi's book is it just the pages are empty and then someone saying pay you for the ultras yeah it does the first page is and then the end is just hey boobo it's a quick read but it's very meaningful it's got all the emotions truth is a persistence and memory is now what we're calling Messi's hat trick in Kansas City I want to raise my Roger Loeb of the day to all our friends at the Roger Loob Ultra house.

54:59Rog:Stop trying to make it happen. It won't happen. It's catching on. No people at the time, baby. This place is fantastic. You are amazing. We are so happy to be with you. I am so powered by Ultra. I want to thank that very large man who kept saying put up to Jürgen. Jürgen dealt with it very well. He did. Yeah. He did. Yeah. He did really well. I just internalized that he was saying it to me. We'll be back tomorrow. This is going to be quite joyous. Not many shows go from Jürgen Klinsmann to Adam Friedland, but that will be coming on tomorrow, 8 p.m. Pacific time. Until then, we're going to come and have a couple of beers with you, Los Angeles.

55:43Rog:This is Rod saying big, big love. Enjoy your football and courage.

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