In short
Men in Blazers LIVE in New York’s Michelob Ultra Pitchside Club, previewing World Cup 2026 Final Spain vs Argentina and also debating the just-finished semifinal fallout and the upcoming third-place match (France vs ???). The hosts frame the final as “order vs chaos” and “team vs ultimate player,” centering Lionel Messi and Argentina’s late-game resilience.
Guest backgrounds
Michael Strahan is an NFL Hall of Famer (15 seasons, defensive end for the New York Giants), Super Bowl winner, Emmy winner, Peabody Award winner, author/lifestyle brand proprietor, and Fox analyst/co-host of Good Morning America.
Key claims
Argentina have scored 19 tournament goals with a dozen after 75 minutes; they’ve won all four knockout matches in extra time and haven’t led a knockout game inside 90 minutes. Spain are tactically “platonic,” conceding once all tournament. Messi’s return after retiring from international football in 2018 is portrayed as a historic late-career resurgence (8 goals, 4 assists in this tournament).
Notable examples
Katz’s Deli in NYC (Erling Haaland “discovers” Katz’s sandwich); Dallas/Times Square-style global fan watch-party scenes; Strahan’s friendship with Harry Kane (including Kane’s dream to become an NFL kicker).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOWorld Cup Excitement and Atmosphere
0:45 to 3:30
Discussion of the excitement surrounding the World Cup final and the vibe in NYC.
“Ah, England, France, bit of history between these teams.”
Argentina vs. Spain: A Clash of Titans
3:30 to 5:00
Analyzing the upcoming final between Argentina and Spain, highlighting key players and match dynamics.
“One was Alexander Solis' decision-making skills.”
The Legend of Lionel Messi
5:00 to 10:40
A deep dive into Messi's legacy, performance in the tournament, and impact on football.
“This is the last of Messi in a jersey that's not pink.”
Predictions for the Final Match
10:40 to 13:20
Predicting the outcome of the final and discussing the importance of each team's strategy.
“The goal he bundles home off his gonads on the goal line is going to be nationally ecstatic.”
Reflections on the Third Place Playoff
14:00 to 17:00
Discussing the significance and perceptions of the third place playoff in sports.
“That's why they do everything these days.”
Tuchel's Tactical Decisions and England's Journey
17:00 to 19:20
Analyzing Thomas Tuchel's tactics and the implications for England's World Cup performance.
“but he didn't ask those players to boot the ball clear and not try and pass it.”
The Lost Art of World Cup Resilience
19:20 to 22:40
Exploring France's inability to adapt during the World Cup and the lessons learned.
“They looked baffled by the idea that a team might beat them.”
Introducing Michael Strahan: A World Cup Perspective
22:40 to 28:00
Welcoming Michael Strahan to discuss his World Cup experiences and thoughts on the event.
“I think it's time to bring on our guest.”
The World Cup's Impact on Fans
28:00 to 29:50
Explore how the World Cup captivates fans and inspires young players.
“For Scots, Scots in day to day life do not wear kilts.”
Harry Kane: More Than a Footballer
29:50 to 32:40
Michael Strahan shares insights about his friendship and business partnership with Harry Kane.
“Because the thing I loved and realized football was going to catch on in America was when I realized it gave so many Americans the chance to, and an excuse to daytime drink.”
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Transitioning from Player to TV Host
32:40 to 35:30
Strahan discusses the challenges and pleasures of moving from sports to broadcasting.
“and give you a good chance of kicking a 70-yard field goal.”
Experiencing the Upcoming Final
35:30 to 37:50
Strahan shares his anticipation for the historic match between Spain and Argentina.
“I mean, believe me, I love what I do now.”
The Power of Sports to Unite
37:50 to 41:08
Discussion on how sports can bring diverse people together and create shared experiences.
“that I think we all love so much with global football culture.”
Messi's Enduring Legacy
41:08 to 42:00
Strahan reflects on Lionel Messi's remarkable career and determination to succeed.
“It makes you want to strive to be the best when you see the...”
Reflections on Retirement and Legacy
42:00 to 43:36
Michael Strahan discusses his views on retirement and athlete perseverance.
“I mean, you, 15 years, won the Super Bowl 2007.”
The Genius of Messi
43:36 to 46:05
Strahan analyzes Lionel Messi's extraordinary skills and impact on the game.
“And he still seems to take so much pleasure from it.”
Predictions for the Upcoming Match
46:05 to 48:24
Strahan shares insights and predictions for the upcoming Argentina vs. Spain match.
“If I see him in person, which I'm really pretty sure I will because he kind of hangs out in the same spot with me and Harry Kane.”
Rapid Fire Reactions: New York Style
48:24 to 50:32
Strahan gives quick responses to iconic New York topics.
“I kind of feel like Spain's going to win.”
Reflections on the World Cup Experience
50:32 to 52:44
Strahan discusses the impact of the World Cup on American culture and friendships.
“By the way, we were in Atlanta two nights ago.”
Living in a Post-Sleep Reality
56:01 to 57:19
The hosts discuss their experiences of sleeplessness during the World Cup.
“I think maybe I'm being roped in to make you feel better.”
Exciting Events and Guests Ahead
57:20 to 59:10
Anticipation builds as the hosts share details about upcoming events and guests.
“And we never take a day of doing it for granted.”
Gratitude for the Audience and Sponsors
59:11 to 1:00:22
A heartfelt thank you to guests, audience, and sponsors wrapping up the show.
“I'm working we go, I want to thank Michael Strayham for joining us.”
Transcript
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0:15Holy crap! Day 37 of the World Cup 2026!
0:25KUPADAS KUPAS! Oh, two nights before the final in which immortals are made. One night before the big one. Third place game, who's ready? It is a big one, right? It is. I'd just like to say it this time. Vamos Argentina.
0:47Come on. Vive la France! No, you see, nothing at all. Anyone here for England? Ah, England, France, bit of history between these teams. Aren't we always, in a way, just relitigating the Napoleonic War at 1793 to 1815, Rob? It's why we watch, Rog. I think about nothing but the Napoleonic Wars. And we are blessed to be in New York City!
1:16Home at last, Rob. Home, well, at least for me, baby. Home being the ultra-pitchside club, New York City. Beers in the air. There's a real vibe here. There's a real vibe going on here. I genuinely wish this was my home. I am moving into a home made purely of Michelob Ultra for a magical show presented by our friends at Michelob Ultra. I am currently 73 % made up of Michelob Ultra. And life is good. We've got Michael Strahan joining us in a moment.
1:54That man who does everything annoyingly well. Save some jobs for the rest of us, right? Absolutely. And I'm here with a very good-looking audience. Give yourself some applause. How are you doing, New York City? My mayor's Muslim. My bagel's Jewish. My Christian Dior. Lionel Messi in four. They didn't like the last line. They didn't like the last line. I'm working on it. I'm working on it, baby. I want to say hello to my World Cup wife. It's Rory Smith. How are you New Yorking? This place is currently the epicenter of all world football. I like it more when it's not like a post-apocalyptic wasteland with all the smoke in the sky.
2:38It's better when the sun isn't orange. That's my view. You've come at a great time. It's always like this. Let me show you the mood in New York City after Argentina beat England 2-1 in the semifinal win.
3:00It's like a giant South American episode of side talk. I don't know how you say bing bong in Spanish, but that is pretty bloody close. My favorite New York moment of the entire World Cup, let's look at this. Erlin Haaland discovers Katz's Deli.
3:19What I like about this is he's the only person in the world who is big enough to eat one of their sandwiches. It's like watching meat eat meat or respect meat. By the way, two biggest challenges that Erling Haaland faced in this World Cup. One was Alexander Solis' decision-making skills. And the other was trying to down that in one bite from Katz's. A lot of people watching this stream at home. It is a joy to have you. At New York, Nixon5 in the YouTube chat says, I love his raccoon, but I wish he'd taken a rat home from the New York subway. Amen, baby. Look at New York people cheering your rats.
3:57Oh,
4:01but let's get to it very quickly. 102 games down, but who's counting raw? It doesn't feel like 102, does it? No, it feels both fewer and much, much more. Mate, it feels like it was years ago this began, but now there's just two teams left standing. We should touch upon this moment. Argentina Spade, your reigning World Cup champions and your two-time reigning Copa American champions versus the European champions. We have order against chaos. We have the emotional against the rational. We've got the patriarch, Lionel Messi, against the biblical successor, Laminia Mal. One of those men has seen the other man's down below.
4:43And I'm not telling you which way that goes. Look, we are blessed, Ru. I don't like to be hyperbolic, but this game feels like the end of days. Yeah, it's science against superstition. It's the ultimate team against the ultimate player, the best player who has ever played the game. Probably the last time he ever wears that jersey. This is the last of Messi in a jersey that's not pink. It feels like... It's amazing it's the first time the European champions and South American champions have ever met in a World Cup final. It does feel genuinely seismic. I mean, we are watching. I don't like to be hyperbolic.
5:16It is mythos, had geography, Argentina, tournament high 19 goals. What is incredible, a full dozen of them have come after the 75th minute. They haven't led a single elimination game inside 90 minutes. They've won all four in knockout, in extra time. It's like the Red Sox needing to be 3-0 down to come back. I'm not saying it was against the Yankees because it's a home crowd. But it is. It's almost like an ineffable dark magic. They're a BDSM team, Rog. They need to feel pain to feel alive. It's BDSM Argentina. They need to stare into the abyss. They need that little jolt of electricity that it might all be over.
5:57And against England, even against Egypt, you saw as soon as Gordon scored, the Argentinians thought, right, we know what we do now. And what they did in the next 40 minutes was genuinely amazing. Spain, though, they're not England. They're not Egypt. They're not emotional. The team, they're an idea of football that's almost platonic. They're so close to perfection. I mean, look how they smothered and covered France, which was shocking to the world, but not to them. You know, they've conceded once all tournament. I think it's a World Cup record as it stands, and that was with fewer games. If you think about it, the World Cup final is meant to feature Tom Cruise, Madonna, Shakira, but the real star that everyone's looking for is this dude.
6:45tear it for Kane I mean this man this man is like a three year old aura king I mean he has 30 pounds of aura rule I mean when he can tie his shoes on his own I believe football is over Spain coach Luis Dele Fuente said France was one of the best teams in the world but they came up against the best team. We're feeling unbeatable. What would it take to break down this Spanish team, let alone win against them, which is something nobody's done in 37 games? Yeah, I think what would worry me if I was Spanish is the fact that Argentina can't hurt them, but Argentina couldn't hurt England. Argentina looked at one point like they couldn't hurt Egypt.
7:35You can't play through Spain, you can't get behind them, you can't get over them. They are incredibly well designed, really well built but Argentina have this ineffable quality and I think the way you beat Spain at this stage is probably magic and there's only one team in the world that has magic and they're playing them in the final It is a divine magic it's honestly the most rational explanation for what we've been witnessing and there's nobody that embodies it more than Lionel Messi, it is incredible to think Oh so we like Messi do we? We like Messi No? No I mean honestly See, if you are tired of that little man, you are tired of life.
8:14He looks like he's just wandered out of your local super cuts. He looks as cuddly as a little Ewok. But when he gets in the final third of a football field, he just pulls a prison ship out of a cavity, sticks it between his teeth, and he turns into an unstoppable berserker. Well, not only on Wednesday did he orchestrate England's destruction, he also found time to create the perfect impression of Robert De Niro in any gangster movie. He can do it all. Scoring all the goals, assisting all the crosses, giving the world the best memes. And it's incredible to think that man retired from international football in 2018 and he had just six World Cup goals total.
8:55That was it. That was who he was. That was how he was going to leave the game. And then he came back and he went bloody supernova. Scored seven, assisted three in 2022. This time around, eight goals, four assists. I mean, just think how many he's going to score in 2030. Ultimately, what he's doing is like watching Tom Brady say to the Bucs, we just won the Super Bowl, let's go again. Tiger Woods, we won the Masters in 2019, let's go back to back. Future civilizations will study this man. We are getting to watch him with our own eyes raw. It's a privilege. Every time you see him play, it's a privilege.
9:35I did a thing last night, and we were talking about how for 20 or 30 years, the shadow of Maradona hung over every Argentinian player. That everyone was the next Maradona and they were never the next Maradona. Ariel Ortega, all these players who look really talented. We will still be talking about finding the next Messi in a hundred years' time. Whether you like Argentina or not, we are really privileged to have lived through Messi. It's Christian Pulisic erasure, am I right? I love this man. I love this man. Sir, I'm going to give you all the mechalobes, but it's time. I have a prophetic orb of wonder.
10:16This allows us to predict the future. Roar, tell us how this game is going to go. First of all, who's going to be the superior player of the match? I mean, it's going to sound really predictable, given everything I've just said. But I normally will predict the thing I don't want to happen, so that if I'm not happy, I at least look clever. but I think this is Messi's this is Messi, this is all about the whole tournament has been about Messi it's his story, so I'm going to say Lionel Messi I'm going to go with the other gentleman who's been utterly prolific, utterly potent almost unstoppable but he's only played 9 minutes I see this game being all about Mikel Moreno wumbling on for the last 3 minutes the game is in the balance it's in the balance no more this is going to be known as the Mikel Marino final.
11:06The goal he bundles home off his gonads on the goal line is going to be nationally ecstatic. I mean, I admire Mikel Marino but you can't possibly have a Mikel Marino World Cup final. At least make it Lamin. I'll accept it if Lamin is the player of the match and it feels like a torch being passed and then at the end they both get in the bath together. That's the only other way that I will... I was going to say, wait till you find out who gave him a bath at six months old. It will blow your mind. By the way, that bath photo, is it not like finding out that Peter Manning bathed Patrick Mahomes when he was six months old or something?
11:44It is biblically ecstatic. It's time, though. Who's going to win it all? Best offense versus best defense, as we say in America. What will the score be? I think Spain will take the lead early in the second half, and they'll look really comfortable. And then the universe will twinkle. no one will understand it and Argentina will win 2-1 which is not a popular call but have you not been paying attention? This is how World Cup games finish. I think it's going to be a humdinger. I think Spain do not make the mistake of taking the lead and it'll be 2-2 very late and then Spain will score in the 97th minute and there won't be time for any Messi magic!
12:28Molly Michelob Ultra all tour him along to find out if your favorite player, Mikel Marino, for instance, wins a superior player of the match trophy! Can we hear it for the trophy? I'm making it look very light. It's incredibly heavy. I'm just making it look effortless. Remember, vote for the standout performer in the big one. The third place game. In a moment, we're going to bring our guest on. But first, quick word on the game everyone's waiting for. Am I right? The third place game!
13:02Oh my God, I'll take place in Miami tomorrow. Everyone keeps playing at the game that no one wants to play in, which I just love, including Chex Notes, this guy.
13:18Thomas Tuchel. He said today, quote, none of our players or none of the French players want to play in this match. He's always be selling, Thomas. the French team taking a slightly different tack the manager Didier Deschamps preparing for his final game after 14 years in charge he says there's a third place to go and seek we have that duty in relation to what this jersey represents in relation to what all the people in our nation need they are behind the French team I think those are just words the prospect of this game could not feel worse if it was a 90 minute hydration break Raw. Why do they do this?
13:58It is kind of the hydration break of the World Cup, isn't it? The third place playoff. That's what it is. Why do they do it? It's to sell adverts, I presume. That's why they do everything these days. No, they just used to do it. A bronze medal is a good thing. Like, if you come third in something in the world, that's amazing. Not in America. Not in America. That's not how it works. I can't be dealing with this brutalist approach to sports. Third place is good. Imagine being the third best. Imagine if we were the third best podcast in the world. That'd be amazing. Fight your arm off. Exactly. Fight your arm off.
14:29Exactly. It's a podium finish. Alex Jones, number one. Obviously. Alex Jones, number two. None of us, baby. We're coming for you, Jones, you madman. It is so hard for these players. They've just had their hearts broken, their childhood dreams crushed, and then they have to run around energy-sapping weather in Miami. One pass. Suitable punishment for France not turning up against Spain and England completely bottling it against Argentina. At South, Luridian Raking says they should just make it like the MTV rock and jock and let the celebs pray. Timothy Chalamet, captain in France. He could be manager like he is of that three-a-side team.
15:12He's got his hands full. Which genuinely, genuinely was probably arguably Jude Bellingham's chef's kiss performance. England alive, barely autopsy at the same time going on on the corpse the exhaustion of the Premier League the exhaustion of the Azteca extra time in Miami against Norway shadowing gauntlet they went through but there's also Thomas Tuchel a man who brought the German mentality to English football but instead he actually became more English than the English and became an enormous loser that was a real transformation that siege mentality it worked against Mexico it worked against Norway the Romans called it testudo shields up a big Dan Bernzing but the English tabloids are eviscerating that man right now I mean they're talking about cowardice, failure, inept where do you attribute the fall what percentage is on him can he survive?
16:13so in England he's now a set symbol where do we stand on this? I can't work it out I mean he's got something do you know what I mean? He looks like he could be my son I've met your children, he doesn't like you to be one of your children I think the problem is what actually happened was Argentina lifted it to a level that England couldn't cope with I think Tuchel made it's really funny he kind of made all these substitutions that were throwing on central defenders and then he said that actually they were really attacking which is a bit of a stretch It's very, all of these tanks are meant to be here in Baghdad.
16:51There's that sort of element to it. I think a lot of it is Tuchel's tactical choices. I think he really, he thought the Mexico playbook would work, but he didn't ask those players to boot the ball clear and not try and pass it. They completed two passes in 18 minutes at one point. That's not on Tuchel. But the thing is, he's given England what it wants from a World Cup. Everyone in England is so happy. just we're doing what we're best at in the world, finger pointing. We love attributing blame. The tabloids are delighted. This is what they dream of. They've got like, they've not even started yet.
17:28Like they've done the first two days of inquest. There's another week at least to come. I mean, I've got to tell you, I was on first take this morning and I was describing how this is almost the perfect outcome. Giving English people a sense of noble failure. Like they wouldn't know what to do. With winning, They do need that kind of losing. And one of the guys was like, that feels like the Knicks three months ago. What you guys have lived in New York does give a glimmer of hope. The one day, one day, one day rule. The English can have happiness too. I've got to tell you, everyone can feel it, apart from Cleveland Browns fans.
18:04Law of averages, England will win the Euros in 2028. They're a major nation. Getting to the semis is really good. They might come third, Rog. Imagine the pride incoming third. Give them a bus parade. I think the New York Jets have to win before England can win something. So there may be some time. Are Jets going to win a Super Bowl or England? Who's going to win for England the World Cup? Jets to win a Super Bowl. My God, I've never seen so many Jets fans just look at me and be like, you're a sad, sad pandora. And for France, my Lord, one of the greatest, most beautiful teams never to win the World Cup.
18:43Netherlands, 1974. Brazil, 1982. Now France, 2026. And what did them in was an inability to tactically adjust in-game. They were lost. But that Spanish midfield crushed them. But Ryan Cherky hinted at the real problem post-game. He said their journey had been such a cruise, so friction-free, that when they were punched, they didn't know how to summon a fight. These were his words. maybe when it's too easy with we think we're above the rabble. I think that's really interesting that he said that it's hard not to agree with him to be honest they did look like they didn't really know how to respond when Spain didn't bow down before their amazing individual talent they seemed kind of lost in that second half that you thought Alise or Mbappe or Dembele would step up and deliver them as they had done but I think Spain had too much quality and France didn't really have the what Jim Ross used to call testicular fortitude to get through it, ultimately.
19:45They looked baffled by the idea that a team might beat them. The team would stand up, confront them, and undermine their everything. By the way, this was still Cherokee's best moment at the World Cup.
19:59Doesn't that feel like it was years ago? Is that from this tournament, or is that from Euro 2018? I can't remember. he's aged and so have we we've all aged I expect tomorrow we're going to see a ton of moments for Kobi Maynou aforementioned awkward stand to Ryan Cherky but the real story very quickly golden boot race big boys going all out Messi Kylian Mbappe tied on eight goals each Messi edging the assist tie breakers it stands Erling Haaland on seven cannot win he's back home with his raccoon the two of them just talking away I tear it for a squirreling, Harlan. Norway went out in the quarters.
20:41He's out there. Jude Bellingham, Harry Kane each have six. Is this third-place game just going to be a lot of stat-padding? Oh, this is a Kylian Mbappe stat-padding exercise, this third-place game. He will play, and he will regard it as kind of the purpose of the match, not to finish third, but for him to score as many goals as possible. So we may well end up at the end of the tournament with potentially Argentina winning and Mbappe as the golden boot, which feels maybe appropriate. I suppose he has got a reason to play tomorrow. Let's get a prediction rule. For the third place game? It's just too tense.
21:19It means so much. I don't know what to say. France will win 3-1 and Mbappe will score a hat-trick. Jordan Henderson will score for England and then immediately fall off another advertising hoarding. We just ran a poll in the chat. I think Lionel Messi will win the Golden Boot, 42%. Erling Haaland, 40%. Those people are deluded. Cain Lamal is going to be the winner of the Golden Boot with 14%. Adam Samwick says, Today I tried walking for 65 % of my work day and standing still for 25%. I just about lost my job and respectability and credibility. It works for Lionel Messi. How does that work? Well, surely that depends on what your job is.
22:08I think if you're like a doctor, it's maybe not ideal. But there's plenty of jobs where you could walk for 65 % of the time. It's the standing still that I find amazing. I mean, it's amazing. The fact that he's just not moving. He's just kind of, yeah, just doing that. I can't do it. Standing like an owl. The De Niro face. His De Niro face. Just thinking, right, oh, I've got to sort this out again. These people. It is that 12 % that he does this thing that makes him utterly magic. I think that game's going to be England 17, France 15. It's going to be all-star rules, baby, no D. And it's going to be utterly magnificent.
22:43I think it's time to bring on our guest. Are we ready for some Strahan action?
22:52It's time to bring up an NFL Hall of Famer, Hollywood Walk Hall of Famer, 15 seasons at the defensive end for the New York Giants. Super Bowl ring, second act arguably even more impressive than the 15 years that he spent on the gridiron, multiple Emmy winner, Peabody Award winner, author, lifestyle brand proprietor, Fox football analyst, and co-host of the magnificent Good Morning America. One of the most versatile talents in our nation, a man with a smile I like to believe can actually cause world peace. in many ways. He embodies everything that's great about our city of New York. Please be upstanding and welcome the mighty Michael Strahan!
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23:58What's up?
24:03Do I have to leave this here or can I hold it? You can do whatever you want. You're Michael Strahan. I'm going to hold it. The people got me excited. Thank you for being here, waking me up. Let's go. Say hello to your people, Michael Strahan. Say hello to New York. Hello, people.
24:23Who's had too much to drink already? Well, keep drinking. We sound better. All right. Michael Strahan, it is so lovely to be with you. You have experienced World Cup wonder before. I know you were a military gentleman, moved to Mannheim, Germany, age nine. The World Cup was on. It blew your mind. You talked about how crazy, how insane that one was. How's this one in your own now adopted city of New York? How's it? I remember being a kid in Germany. I think it was 1986. They won the World Cup. Yeah. And I didn't realize how big it was until I was there because the whole country, people went crazy for about six months.
25:10Yeah. I'm the one with the smallest Afro on this side. Can't see the gap with the old pictures. But, yeah, it was absolutely insane. The country went crazy. and that's when I realized just how big it was and I've followed it ever since and I think that the one that's been here you know this one's been great because I've seen so much pride in everybody in their country in their history and they've been able to show it it's like don't hold back hell you want to row, you row you want to dance, you dance you want to do whatever you do, you do it you show your pride in your country this World Cup has been really, really incredible and I'm lucky and happy it's in New York for part of it and to find over here that I can go and be a part of that.
25:58New York City has been taken over this past 39 days. It started with Nick's level energy. Yeah. And then the world has come. I met that and extended it. It's felt like a month-long party in Times Square. I mean, these scenes are really beautiful. We needed this, this kind of joy, The world just loving us, us loving the world. It's been essentially just one giant watch party. What's it been the highlight of your month-long welcome in the world? Well, I think the hot, I mean, look at that. How incredible is that? Yeah. I mean, that right there made traffic so much nicer here in New York City. Wow, how incredible.
26:43You know, I just love the fact that people are here and they're here. It's not like with the Knicks, people had to go to work. Then they go cheer for the Knicks. You wait a few days for games. Here, it's like people always have something to cheer for because they're the game after game after game. A different country. Half the people aren't working. They're just out enjoying it. And during the day and in that night, they're even crazier. And the games were on at all different times. The bars were packed. the energy in the streets. So yeah, this is like, if you took the Knicks energy and you made it 24-7 for a month or so, yeah, that's what it's like.
27:23It's nothing like it, but I hope that people here in the States through this experience have a better appreciation for the sport, have a better appreciation for their country, take pride and also respect the pride that other people have in their country. as well. Amen.
27:47I think if you think back to your experiences in Germany that's what gets you. It's the scale of it. It's how it moves people to cross borders, to come and pretend to be Vikings. For Scots, Scots in day to day life do not wear kilts. That's not a thing that happens. But I think that is what will hook so many people to the sport is what you noticed in Germany which is that the world does kind of stop for the World Cup. Yeah, the world stops. I mean, you know, playing here with the Giants for 15 years, winning the Super Bowl, it stops. But you have your moment. But I can imagine, you know, if you're a Giants fan, it's one thing, but you can be a Cowboy fan.
28:32You know, you can be a fan of all the teams in the league. What if there was only one team for the entire country? That's what the World Cup is. I wish that the U.S. team could get a little bit better and work and give us a little bit something more. But I think that maybe this will inspire a lot of these young kids. I'm watching some video the other day of these European guys, man, and they're just kicking the ball. I think it was Henri and Zlatan, and they were just doing a commercial break. I'll be candid. They're not just any old European guys. But it was a commercial break, and these guys are kicking the ball on their neck, throwing it back, doing it, and getting with the ball right here.
29:16I'm incredible. I wanted to play at that point, and I'm too old. But I hope this inspires kids in our country to go, yo, you know what? We want to be on the level. We want to see what we're seeing with Argentina and with Spain, and I'm a big England fan for my boy Harry Kane. So I am like, I'm all in this, man. I was a little disappointed the other day, though. I wanted England in so bad. Football always finds a way to disappoint you in every regard. I do love what you've said about the 24-7 reality of this World Cup. Because the thing I loved and realized football was going to catch on in America was when I realized it gave so many Americans the chance to, and an excuse to daytime drink.
30:05Cut the work and find out the real pleasure of being a football fan, which is to stand with thousands of strangers and throw beers into the air when your team scores, which is the purest feeling in the world. But you've mentioned it. You have a really profound relationship with Harry Kane. I think it started through golf, but you've built on it. You're now business partners and real, real friends. What's he like off the field? And what drew the two of you together? There you are. Well, I can tell you this. A lot of these people don't need an excuse to day drink. Let's start off with that. You know, you guys have been here long enough doing this in this heat to know it.
30:49You know what? Harry and I met in the spot where we go for a vacation. and we just hit it off because he is honestly off. I see him on the field, on the pitch. He scores and he's like, ah, he's doing all that. He's never like that. He is the most calm, nicest, sweetest family man that you will ever be around. And that's what I love about Harry. He's consistently an incredibly great dude. And his golf game is about as good as his soccer game or his football game. And I love playing golf with him, and I love hanging out with him. And after each round of each game, I'm texting him, and he gets right back.
31:35When they won in Mexico, I was like, dude. And he texted me back, yeah, what the hell was that game, Michael? I said, I don't know. He said, oh. I said, well, I'm pretty sure. He said, we're in Kansas now. They went to Kansas. I said, I'm pretty sure you're happy to be at that altitude. He's like, yeah, I'm excited to breathe real air. But he is just such a good human being, and that's why we had a relationship that we have. It was on your show that he first talked publicly about his dream, his real dream, of becoming an NFL kicker. Kicker, yeah. What did you say to him, and what do you really think is possible for that leg?
32:11He's going to lose the sketches, huh? Well, his dream is when he says when he's done with football, he'll come over, he'll be an NFL kicker. I believe he could do it because his calf muscles are as big as his thigh muscles, man. And when you're playing golf, like he really kicked, jumped into it, hit the ball a mile. I believe he could do it. And he's smart. He picked the kicker. Kickers really don't get hit. So that's a brilliant position for Harry. So I feel when he retires from soccer, if someone wants to get a guy they know is going to give you everything they got and give you a good chance of kicking a 70-yard field goal.
32:50Pick Harry Kane. I nominate the New York Giants to take Harry Kane. By the way, at England Forever in the chat says, Michael, is it true that Robin Roberts and Terry Bradshaw are doing keepy-uppies on set during the commercials? They're doing what? Keepy-uppies like Zlatan and Henri. Robin Roberts and Terry Bradshaw? Yeah. You know what? If that were the case, they wouldn't be there when we came back for a commercial break, they'd be at the hospital. I don't think they're going to make it through all of this. That will be the moment when America becomes a proper football nation. Look, we spent a lot of time, you mentioned Zlatan, Thierry Henry, watching these footballers take over television hosting roles.
33:35Lexi Lalas, what is the most difficult part of transitioning from player to TV? How do you think you've had such an easy success? because it is, you make it look easy. It's bloody difficult what you do, man. Well, you've got to be willing to not be good. You have to be willing to fail. You have to be willing to have another first day. Everybody has a new first day at work, but when you're successful in one thing, you are kind of afraid to have another first day when you don't look great at something, and you can't have an ego about that. And the hardest thing about being on TV is being yourself with a camera on you.
34:13Most people can't do it. Like, guys want to be too cool. And I'm like, oh, you know, I'm like, I don't care. Like, I am who I am. If you like me, you like me. If you don't, I'm sorry. We don't have to hang out. But if you like me, let's hang out, you know? But life is not that hard. Life cannot, it's as hard and as difficult as you make it. And I think that everything, the only thing you control is your attitude in life. So for me, I wake up. I wake up happy. I wake up and try to make other people happy. And in turn, it's made my life good. But the toughest trend part of it has in the difference.
34:49When you're an athlete, you're always used to sitting here and you're asking me questions. And you kind of got a little, oh, yeah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. You almost have an automatic playback. When you're on the other side. Learning to listen. You got to listen. Athletes don't really listen that well. So you have to listen and you have to be present in where you want to go with your questioning. But you also have to listen in case there's something that happened during the speech where you can get away from that or transition over to the next thing. And I think that's the hardest part, learning to listen.
35:24Does it bring you as much pleasure as playing? No. No. Straight up? No. I mean, believe me, I love what I do now. Absolutely love it. I couldn't ask for a second, third career in my life better than what I have. But there is nothing. like putting on pads and I'm looking at some 350 pound guy and I'm like, I'm gonna whip his ass today. And knowing that I can do it. And walking out to a stadium with 80 ,000 people either screaming for you or cursing you. I love when they cursed at me. More motivated. I want to shut you up. I can't get that at GMA. I can't get that in front of a camera. It's just not the same, but I love it regardless.
36:18Workplace environments are far too positive these days. That's the problem. Yeah, workplace environments. Don't go to Philly. That's all I'm saying.
36:28If we were doing this show in Philly and I showed up, duck. We learned this. They will boo anything. Man, they boo Santa Claus. okay who boo Santa Claus you really don't care if you boo Santa Claus oh my god Michael Strahan you would have loved English football in the 1980s you really really would have done who amongst us doesn't love that joy of beating up a 350 pound person and knowing you can am I right yes let's talk about this upcoming final Sunday MetLife Spain Argentina first time ever European champions take on the reigning South American champions? Where will you be watching? How will you be experiencing it?
37:13I will be at the game. I'm going to be there. You know, it's history here. Like, I've never, because I've always been working, I've never had a chance to go to a proper match. I've never been to really a football professional tailgate party or game. I'm always working. So this is a chance for me to go see something as like the Super Bowl on steroids. So I want to experience that in the flesh. So I will be at MetLife Stadium. I want to say, one of the joys of this tournament, for me, has been seeing the melding of the American sports culture that I think we all love so much with global football culture.
37:57Watching the shrines of the NFL being taken over and transformed. Jerry World in Dallas. Arrowhead. This was the Mercedes-Benz on Wednesday night after the game. Let's take a look at this. This is crazy. I mean, it is absolutely mesmerizing. We were in Dallas and we spent some time with Emmitt Smith. And he told us that everyone in Dallas is blown away by the noise, that they thought the Cowboys fans were just the pinnacle of sports fandom. But now they've heard, now they've seen, now they've experienced the Argentinian fans. Well, I'll be honest, Cowboy fans haven't had anything to cheer about in about 30 years.
38:39So for them, anything loud may be a little surprising. But you know what I love, too? I love this. Like, this is absolutely amazing. But when they cut away and they'll show the country where people are up at 3 or 4 in the morning watching and the eruption when they score, when they win, I mean, how incredible. that gives me chills thinking about it. That's been a really, really good idea from Fox to do that. Every time there's a halftime break, sometimes a hydration break, they will cut to Madrid or Barcelona or Berlin or wherever. And it reminds you that everyone in the world, pretty much, is doing the same thing.
39:20We are all watching the same thing. That doesn't happen anymore. And it's a really good way of illustrating the scale of the tournament. I mean, it is. We've seen the power of this tournament to connect the world. We've seen the Norwegian subway row. We've seen Japanese fans discovering Texas. We've seen New York City subway discovering Norwegian fans. Boston becoming the capital of Scotland. You've lived it. You've soared through sports. You've brought an entire city together. Heather, what is it about sports that can do that to us in a way that's all too rare in this world, Michael? Man, something about sports, it's kind of like once you make up your mind you're going to support something and you get a like-minded group of people from all different kind of backgrounds.
40:09It just kind of brings you together for some strange reason. And I think that, you know, for me, I have my team that I love. I also have a few teams that I have on the peripheral in case the teams that I love are bad. But once you're in, you're in. And you have something, a commonality with people that you can talk about. Because you can talk about how great your team is. You can talk about how bad your team is. But you have a commonality. And I think we're just kind of like lock in. This is who you are. Your life is this kid. You pick this or you're from this country. This is your life. You give your life to it.
40:46You support it. and boy, they're going to give something back to you. Doesn't always work out that way, but the hope of sports, the resilience of sports, the hard work, the joy, when they slow down a player who scores and he runs and jumps and the other guy catches them in his arms. I mean, how amazing is that, man? Sports just does that to you. It just makes you want to be better. It makes you want to strive to be the best when you see the... But when you watch Messi, 39 years old, still doing it, I almost dusted off my cleats and went back to football. I was like, if that old man can do it, I can do it too.
41:25I was going to ask you what you see when you see Messi because this man, last World Cup, was 35. He finally won it and everyone said, the commentator even said at the end, we will never see him again in an Argentinian jersey. This is it, drink it in, people. But man, he is back at 39, arguably even better. And he's dragged this team in with this incredible magic, almost like his mentality is almost in the clutch like Michael Jordan's. He's like the goateiest goat. American athletes all see something in him that we just as fans do not. You understand it. I mean, you, 15 years, won the Super Bowl 2007.
42:10And you said, that's it. I'm going to go out on that note. Yeah, I would done. How do you know? I mean, it is fascinating. How did I know? What he's doing is getting better and better and better. You know, I'm always fascinated by the World Cup and by Messi. Like you said, he won at 35. And what hadn't he done at that point, you kind of figured, right? Just riding to the sunset, you're set, you're the GOAT, you're all these things. But to come back four years later, be in the finals again, you cannot judge what's in somebody's heart. You can't judge how badly they want something. That's why I refused when they said this guy should retire.
42:53That guy's going to retire when he's ready. It's on him. And I always tell guys who come to me and say, hey, I'm thinking about retiring. The one thing I tell them, especially about football, you have to remember, one day you're never going to lace up your pads. You're never going to tie those shoes. You're never going to click on a helmet. You're never going to run out of that tunnel again. And nothing will replace that. So make sure you are 100 percent done and that you have no regrets. And when I see a guy crying at a press conference, I almost feel like you're still got something in you. I didn't cry at the press conference.
43:26I realized I was done. I gave it everything I had. And for Messi, four years later, to be where he is, it just shows why he is the GOAT. I just have something in him that other guys don't. And he still seems to take so much pleasure from it. Because I was watching him in the Inland game, and you thought, he must have played, you think about all the training sessions, all the games, as a kid that we don't think about. He'll have played tens of thousands of hours of soccer. And when he gets the ball, he still looks really excited. Yeah. What those guys, what I didn't know about it until later on, because I thought about playing myself, you know?
44:04What position? Well, nothing, because you don't get a rest. You go in the game, you just got to run a marathon every game. I'm not built for that. All your siblings ran and played football. Yeah. All of his siblings played soccer. But you're just running, running. I don't have the ball. I still got to run. No. No, no, no. I'm running with a purpose. I'm running to hit you, and it's going to be like 34 seconds, and I get a break. You'll be a very good Argentinian center back. It was so intense to understand 39 years old to run out there with guys. I mean, going up against a guy who turned 19 a few days ago, that kid should be able to run all year, you know?
44:43But to know at 39 to be able to do that and for all these guys game to game to game, especially with the weather challenges that we've had here, the hydration breaks with the heat and all this other stuff, I'm just amazed. I'm amazed by all of these guys. These are some of the best athletes we'll ever see, And I hope that guys appreciate or people appreciate what these guys leave out there every game. I think you all appreciate it, don't you? Absolutely. I do want to ask you very quickly, what do you see when you see Lionel Messi? You're a man that hit people, big people constantly. You're playing a big person's game.
45:20Lionel Messi is tiny, 5 '6". Ultimately, it's not athletic. It's not in the sense that we classically define it in America. It's almost pure mental wonder. So unless it's like Barry Sanders or somebody like that, that it has that kind of ability to control his limbs in a way that no one else can, vision, scan, and then execute. When you watch him play, it is mesmerizing. What do you actually see athlete to athlete? The amazing thing about Messi, they're a really great player. They make things happen even when they don't have the ball. and then when they maybe he's not scoring but what does he do the other day he's assisting I mean he's putting perfect perfect kicks corner kicks you couldn't kick the ball any better than that but to always have an input or have some kind of input in the outcome of the game even though you may not be the one who scores the goal maybe he's a guy that people are paying attention to which opens it up for other guys um when I when I see him I just look at a guy that I have the most respect for.
46:23If I see him in person, which I'm really pretty sure I will because he kind of hangs out in the same spot with me and Harry Kane. It's going to be pretty interesting. Maybe you have to keep him and Harry separated. But I see it's like he walks around with a certain amount of confidence and swagger. It's not about the size of him. He's perfect for what he has to do. And probably being that size has been one of his biggest gifts because when he's looking at other guys who are probably more physically, bigger or physically talented made him work harder to be where he is to compete. And a lot of times the guys are so talented, they start working hard.
47:01A lot of guys kind of coastbound talent. He's never done that even though he knows he's the best one on the pitch. And that's what has made him great. That's why he's out there. That's why he's in the finals. And that's why on Sunday we're going to have one hell of a game. You're going there. You are going to go there. You're going to see this game. I think it will be remembered forever as the culmination of one of the greatest World Cups of the modern period. What do you expect to see? Tell us what you want to see, what's going to go down. Well, I expect to see an Argentinian team that you're going to have to play the entire game to stop.
47:37If Spain is up, it's not over. Argentina is going to continue to go. But I also think in Spain, you see incredible defense. It's an incredible defense. What they did to France, I'm like, come on, Mbappe. I mean, I love it. I love Mbappe because I just love saying his name, man. Mbappe. I can say that with a gap in my teeth. And, you know, Mbappe. Mbappe. Couldn't do anything. So to look at the defense of Spain going against the relentless firepower of Argentina, I think we're going to see a tight game. I honestly, I would give a prediction if you want one, but it's not going to be one of these high-scoring games.
48:23What are you feeling, Michael? I kind of feel like Spain's going to win.
48:31By the way, Michael Strahan knows ball. Remember this. Remember this. I think he's just speaking. Hey, if I'm wrong, you see me in the streets. Don't come beat me up, okay? I'm a fan like you. We get it wrong sometimes. I'm going to ask you one last question, but before we let you go, I want to say some New York words to you, and I want to get your instant reaction, your gut reaction to each of them. What comes to mind when I say each of these? Are you ready for this? Yeah. New York Knicks. Champions.
49:08Bodega. Bodega. I'm not going to say it. I think it's street meat, but I don't eat the street meat. A bodega, you know, convenience. The Meadowlands. Swamp. Dirty hot dog water. Disgusting. Dallas Cowboys. Suck. New York Jets.
49:42Honestly, being in New York all the year, I feel sad. I do. When I think of the Jets, I think, oh, sad. That's even worse than suck, isn't it? Pity is the worst emotion. Pity. There we go. Pity. Lionel Messi. Legend. Finally, World Cup 2026. Success. America. Last one for you, Michael. It has been successful. It's honestly, it's been a World Cup of love. It's been very healing in the most beautiful way. Global football coming and experiencing America and falling in love with it won. It's been like Waffle House. You went to the Waffle House? Everyone went. We really struggled to get him out of the Waffle House.
50:27Really? Yeah. He's got a problem. I'm like smothered and covered as I sit here. I really, really am. By the way, we were in Atlanta two nights ago. So after the victory, the line to get in of Argentinians in Waffle House, you would legit think that the Beatles were reforming in there. It's not just the Waffle House. It's like Buc-ee's. It's in and out burger. It's been like if you run a convenience food franchise, this has been a you've won the World Cup even more than Argentinians. They're begging to have it back. I guarantee you. This man is now thinking about taking the first Buc-ee's franchise to Europe.
51:06You will genuinely, genuinely become a very rich human being. But this is joyful. World's come. Americans have fallen in love with football. It's amazing to hear you talk with such passion about this final, about these players, about what is about to go down. But it is a circus. And like any circus, it leaves town. We've lived it. We've shared so much together. We've made so many cross-generational memories. What do you hope it will leave behind as its legacy? You know, something I think I learned growing up in Germany, first of all, I hope that everyone who traveled to this country to experience the World Cup or Mexico, whatever it may be, that they had an incredible time, first and foremost, and that they had a safe, incredible time.
51:54But growing up in Germany, one thing that I learned, which stays with me, I learned that you have to be respectful of each person, where they're from, their history, who they are and and I hope through all of this that we as Americans have a much better understanding of other people in their countries and how they are and not feel like they need to be like us we don't need to be like them we can respect our differences and we can still have love because at the end of the day when you take the politics out of everything we're all humans we We all have families. We all love. We all do all those things.
52:33It doesn't matter where you're from. That's just innately human. And at the end of the day, we're all human beings, and we all got love. And I hope that's what we get from this World Cup. Michael Strahan, beers up for Michael Strahan. New York, I have learned from this man. He is a human poet on top of everything else. What can't he do? New York City, be upstanding for one of your own. The great Michael Strahan. Man in blazers, yeah!
53:05Oh my God, how do you follow Michael Strahan? Do you want, do you actually want, I have no idea, Rog. You follow it with the food, are you ready? But the European mind cannot comprehend!
53:22European mind cannot comprehend. Thanks, Charlie.
53:30Here we go. Rory, if we've learnt one thing about the past six weeks together, it's that you love, and I say this in the nicest way, slow-roasted meat. I do enjoy a slow-roasted meat. We are about to go full-on American Erling Haaland. We've got Katz's here. Two for Katz's. Classic pastrami! Oh my god. By the way, in Erling Haaland's hand, this looked tiny. This is actually going to be quite erotic, and I apologise.
54:09Oh my god.
54:14That was not erotic at all, was it? Pete, well that's not kink shame. People have different tastes. It's fine. I think out of ten, By the way, that is unbelievable. Does anybody want half of this? I knew you would, sir. It's going to you when I'm done. It's not touching my fingers. I think you're going to give that an 11 out of 10. So I do have a slight problem with cats' sandwiches, which is I think they are impractically large. So I've gone 8.3. But that's a good score. I'm very demanding. They're too big, man. They're too big. No, it's America, baby. It is the single greatest thing in the world.
54:56We're all going to die, Roar. Just get stuck in, baby. It's been a pleasure watching you. Enjoy all the saturated fats this great country can conjure. We're going to wrap it up in the only way we know how. All of you have sent in letters. Our mailbag is genuinely, at this part of the World Cup, is absolutely overflowing. I want to thank everybody at home watching. Keep sending them in. They lift our spirits. They bring joy. Tell us what you're feeling, what you are experiencing, what your memories have been. Meninblazers at gmail.com. Hit us in the Discord. This one comes from the great Lucas Korn.
55:30We're all through the honours, baby. Just to be clear, I do not endorse the message in this letter. Rog and Rory, you both look like you have not slept in a month. How are you still standing upright? I'm glad you are still upright. Don't get me wrong, as we've lived the World Cup through your journey. But what is the secret? Lucas. I think we look fine. You look amazing by the way. I've got a tan. I know. What more do you people want? I have barely seen the sunlight in 39 days. So I don't have a tan. I think this letter is probably aimed at me, isn't it? I think maybe I'm being roped in to make you feel better.
56:06Yeah, that might be it. We are living in a, Lucas if you're watching, we're living in a post-sleep reality. No sleep till MetLife, am I right? Yeah. You can't be tired. sorry that was some pastrami you can't be tired during the World Cup what's the point? why would you be tired during the World Cup? the World Cup's on I have genuinely trained myself to live in a no sleep reality it's delirious it's magical it's been some journey we have gone from LA to New York City so there's one way of answering it practically 12 cups of coffee a day lots of water and a healthy number of Roger Loeb's after 6 o 'clock.
56:50It's not catching on, Rog. Oh, it is. Roger Loeb's! Hey! But the truth is, this has been incredible. To tell these stories, to hear your thoughts, your ideas, your insights, to have this ruling national conversation about the World Cup, about football, about life with you, Roe, but with America. I mean, it is the single most energising experience in my life. I'd say it's been an honour. It's been a mission. And we never take a day of doing it for granted. That is it for tonight. I do want to say if anyone is going to Fanatics Fest tomorrow, we're going to be live on stage 2.30 with someone I really admire, the great Spike Lee.
57:35Incredible New Yorker. We're going to be talking about Arsenal. We're going to be talking about the Knicks. I mean, if I ran US soccer, I would have made sure he was at the halfway line for every game. We would have won the bloody World Cup. Am I right? We also have Wemby joining us. You all behave very well there. Just testing how it's going to go when he comes on stage. God bless Wemby. Sunday, we're back at the Javits. We're going to do a match day live show, which kicks off 12.45 p.m. We're actually kicking off. This is very funny. We're kicking off with the penalty challenge from Marriott Bonvoy, so we can drive the winner immediately to the final, which I just love.
58:19But we've got an incredible array of guests. We've got Vazinha. We've got Method Man. We've got Tiki Barber, Becky Sourboon, Humphrey Carr. And then we're going to watch the game live on stage with Ryan Reynolds, Flo Balligan, and a whole lot more. It will be a memory-filled day. I cannot wait to live it with all of you. Rory and I will do Night Cut right after. Come and join us. at Tom from Minnesota says let the record show Rory Smith rated an R1 smoothie higher than a cat's army sandwich. I don't want to sound like Gwyneth Paltrow but that smoothie was amazing. It was worth it was literally fruit juice that was worth $30.
59:02You'll be getting your down below. I'll do it. Roger I'm not going to lie to you. I'll do a deal with that one just for myself. It's fine. I'm working on it Rory. I'm working we go, I want to thank Michael Strayham for joining us. I want to thank my World Cup wife, Rory Smith.
59:24I also want to raise a glass in toast to all of you in New York City. It's so joyous to be home. It's so joyous to be in your loving embrace. It has been a long, long, long World Cup. I'm so happy to be right back here in the greatest city in the world. And I want to thank all of our friends at Michelob Ultra for presenting this show and raise this to them. They have grown football in America more than anybody. When you look at any decade, Anheuser-Busch has propelled the growth of this game. We're living in incredible days, and I'm so grateful to them for doing all of this and more. To this cup of wonders, to the memories you're all making, to this minute in time, let's save it every second, not take one for granted.
1:00:14There's a couple of precious days left in this cup. Enjoy tomorrow. You will miss it when it's gone. Big, big love. This is Rod saying courage.
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Rog and Rory Smith are joined LIVE at the Michelob Ultra Pitchside Club by New York Giants legend and co-host of Good Morning America Michael Strahan to break down anything and everything Copas das Copas, including why American athletes revere Lionel Messi so much, how he developed a blossoming friendship with Harry Kane, and his prediction for Spain vs Argentina this Sunday. Plus, Rog and Rory look ahead to England vs France in the third place game, what comes next for Thomas Tuchel, and why Kylian Mbappe should still be the favorite to win the Golden Boot.
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