In short
This episode is Men in Blazers’ Premier League 2025-26 season preview Part 2, covering the “dirty south” clubs and making bold predictions.
Guests
Rory Smith (football writer; co-host/friend of Rog) and Rog (unnamed host, Men in Blazers).
Key claims
Arsenal can win the league/CL despite finishing second three straight years; Arteta’s “master of detail” approach (including removing the Emirates tunnel cover to increase intimidation) plus new signings should unlock more unpredictability. Arsenal’s main risk is whether Victor Gyokeres’ prolific scoring in Portugal translates to the Premier League without disrupting team balance. Chelsea are building momentum after winning the Club World Cup under Enzo Maresca, but the episode questions whether their squad churn and fitness over long months will fade. Tottenham’s appointment of Thomas Frank is framed as a smart, systems-based fit after Ange Postecoglou’s dismissal; the big test is replacing creativity after James Maddison’s ACL injury and Son’s departure. Aston Villa face PSR/logjam constraints; Crystal Palace face potential losses of Eberechi Eze and Marc Guéhi plus the threat to Oliver Glasner’s “ferocious culture.”
Notable examples
Zubimendi as Arsenal’s new possession-and-creation option; João Pedro’s immediate impact at Chelsea; Thomas Frank’s Brentford model; Palace’s multi-club ownership UEFA punishment; Brentford’s mass departures and Keith Andrews’ promotion.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOPremier League Predictions
0:36 to 2:28
The hosts share their predictions for the Premier League standings.
“Welcome to the second half of the big Premier League 2025-26 season preview.”
Arsenal FC Overview
2:28 to 4:08
A deep dive into Arsenal's recent performances and future outlook.
“As ready as I can ever be to be in the south of England, yes.”
Arteta's Strategies and Challenges
4:08 to 6:04
Discussion on Mikel Arteta's management style and the challenges he faces.
“to be in the semifinals of the Champions League, to be close in the title race.”
New Signings Impact
6:04 to 8:00
Analysis of Arsenal's new signings and their potential impact.
“That he is seeking every possible advantage, which is really praiseworthy, but it shows how fine the margins are now between success and failure for Arsenal.”
Chelsea's Recent Success
8:00 to 11:12
Exploring Chelsea's achievements and their current team dynamics.
“the red cards, the set-piece play that missed by inches.”
Chelsea's Season Prospects
14:01 to 16:49
Analyzing Chelsea's momentum and potential challenges after their World Cup win.
“Chelsea Football Club champions of the world!”
Arsenal Fan's Perspective on Chelsea
16:50 to 18:19
A discussion on the controversial business model of Chelsea from an Arsenal fan's viewpoint.
“They're the last team we saw lift a trophy, and so everyone's kind of thinking, right, they must be ready now.”
Tottenham's Managerial Changes
18:20 to 21:08
A look at Tottenham's recent managerial changes and their impact on the team.
“I think there's a point at which the transfer market is being used for things it's not meant to be used for From Chelsea, who win things, to Tottenham, who checks notes.”
Challenges for Spurs This Season
21:09 to 22:26
Discussing Spurs' recruitment challenges and the impact of player injuries.
“I think he's actually of all those managers that Spurs have appointed since Pochettino, he's the one who gives me the strongest Pochettino vibes of that is a natural fit.”
Aston Villa's Financial Challenges
22:27 to 26:41
Exploring Aston Villa's financial issues and the implications for their season.
“By the way, Thomas Frank, just get Ivan Toney, Neil Morpé and Ollie Watkins, get them all back, get the band back together, lads.”
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Crystal Palace's Uncertain Future
26:42 to 28:00
Analyzing Crystal Palace's recent successes and the challenges they face moving forward.
“But they're in the same position as Newcastle, where they almost don't really think they should have to do that because they feel like a big club, because Villa are a big club.”
Crystal Palace's Promising Yet Uncertain Future
28:00 to 29:18
Exploration of Crystal Palace's recent successes and potential player losses.
“their hobby, Mark Gahey, their real rock at the back, departing.”
The Underappreciated Talent of Will Hughes
29:18 to 31:14
Discussion on Will Hughes' talent and how appearances can mislead perceptions in football.
“to be the high point because, you know, as we're recording, Eber Eche-Eze and Mark Gay are both Palace players and Oliver Glasner is the Palace manager.”
Bournemouth's Ambitious but Uncertain Season
31:14 to 32:32
Analysis of Bournemouth's recent performance and challenges for the upcoming season.
“I think there is a point though where you have to, as a club, decide is it suitable for this person to be outdoors in the sunshine and with both Will Hughes, he's good at the night games.”
Fulham's Stagnation and Marco Silva's Steady Leadership
32:32 to 36:39
Examination of Fulham's off-season and Marco Silva's role as a stabilizing force.
“Bill Foley, the owner of your Las Vegas NHL team.”
West Ham's Identity Crisis and Graham Potter's Influence
36:39 to 38:54
Discussion on West Ham's direction under Graham Potter amidst a lack of clarity.
“It's not the sort of success that gets people really sort of heft up and think, oh, I've got to have that guy.”
Brighton's Brave Approach Amidst Talent Exits
38:54 to 42:02
Insight into Brighton's management and their approach to player transactions and performance.
“What's the point of West Ham though was the major question we had in our Discord, in our West Ham section of Discord, at Hogthrob, when it comes to West Ham, just what are we even doing, Ru, is the question.”
Brighton's Brave Decisions and Future Prospects
42:02 to 43:28
Exploring Brighton's management decisions and their potential in the upcoming season.
“But the thing with Brighton is they just keep repeating the trick.”
Brentford's Challenges and Trusting the Process
43:28 to 45:16
Discussion on Brentford's recent management changes and their proven model of success.
“Talk about change at an industrial scale.”
Predictions for Relegation in the Upcoming Season
45:16 to 47:21
Analyzing potential relegation candidates based on current team changes and performances.
“It's kind of the reverse of what's happened to Liverpool.”
Top Four Predictions and Season Outlook
47:21 to 51:29
Sharing bold predictions for the top four teams in the Premier League.
“There's that seed of doubt that is now sown in.”
Anticipation for the Upcoming Season
51:29 to 54:31
Reflecting on what to look forward to in the new football season and meaningful moments.
“It's in the show notes here on YouTube, in the podcast.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Roger Bennett:There's nothing like the American Express Platinum card. Find out your welcome offer after you apply, which could be as high as 175 ,000 points. Learn more and find out your offer at americanexpress.com slash explore dash platinum. Terms apply. You're listening to the Men in Blazers Media Network, suboptimal radio. It's prediction time, Roar. Fourth, Chelsea. Third, Liverpool. So you've got Everton in second. Everton in second. Wow. I'm genuinely torn on this one. I don't know which way it will go.
0:36Welcome to the second half of the big Premier League 2025-26 season preview. A season that begins with hope, ends in glory. Not for you, probably, if you're listening to this. And crashes right into a World Cup across North America. I'm here with my friend in football, Rory Smith. Roar, at this point football don't sleep and neither do we, right?
0:58Roger Bennett:This is very much the knees up Mother Brown version of this podcast, isn't it? We're going full on apples and pears, plates of meat, talking about the south of England. Oh my God, you had me at plates of meat, Roar. Before we get in there, I want to thank our friends at Yeti who make, I've got to say, a lovely drinkware. I love that colour. It wasn't invented last time I was in England Teal and lo and behold now it's here. Their luggage is what propels. I essentially live out of Yeti luggage. Your Yeti luggage is home now. They made our football holiday to England possible. We are rambling across the country.
1:35Didn't even know Nottingham Forest was in the north. I don't quite know how I'm going to be hitchhiking around this spot. But they're making sure we're hydrated along the way. And in the spirit of football holiday, when nutrient-dense meals are scarce and sleep is scarer, I want to channel the words of the late, great Warren Zivon, who said, I'll sleep when I'm dead. Roar, Warren Zevon. He would have been proper Everton, wouldn't he?
1:58Roger Bennett:He would, in that he was looking forward to death, yes. Fair point, Roar. Fair point. Member listeners, if you are listening to this, you're listening to episode two of the big Premier League 2025 season preview. And we've split the entire league, rather arbitrarily, some would say, in Nottingham, into two NFL-style conferences for purposes of preview. We covered the NFC North in the last episode. It's time to go all goody mob on you and head to the dirty south. Are you ready, Roar? As ready as I can ever be to be in the south of England, yes. This is where we are, in beautiful King's Cross. So let's start with Arsenal Football Club.
2:38Got to go there tomorrow, Roar, to interview Mikel Arteta. I mean, Arsenal are, I'd say, in American sports, it's very Buffalo Billy in that, you know, they aspire, they come close. They're always second. And tomorrow with McKellen, this is the third year on the run. We have gone face-to-face, and he's taught with beauty and wisdom and insight as to how this campaign will be different for Arsenal Football Club after three straight second-place finishes. I honestly feel... I mean, I love speaking to him. He's an amazing man. His intensity is remarkable. I also feel a bit like I'm speaking to Sisyphus when he's at the bottom of the mountain, he's leaning against his rock, he's maybe having a power raid before he goes again?
3:21Roger Bennett:I think, first of all, with Arsenal, you have to remember that coming second three times in a row is really hard. That is almost an achievement in itself. The consistency, the way they've challenged first City, then Liverpool last season, they have been incredibly close. They are an incredibly good football team. They made the Champions League semi-finals last season. They gave PSG a really, really good game in the semis. They were beaten, not comprehensively, but well by the best team in Europe. But Arsenal are not a long way away. This is the end of their project. This is the culmination of what they've done.
3:56Roger Bennett:It's also their agony rule. It is, but I think that there comes a point where Rafa Benitez, the legendary Everton manager, too soon. Rafa's view was that his job was to get the team to late April, early May, in a position to win things, to be in the semifinals of the Champions League, to be close in the title race. So his mission was just to piss off the fans as soon as he inherited the mantle of leadership. But he understood what Everton wanted from a manager and gave them that. Phew! But, you know, he sort of said, look, the manager, all the strategising, all the tactics, all the planning, all the...
4:30Roger Bennett:And Arteta's a master at this. All the kind of the small detail stuff that Arteta does, you know. Pickpockets. The pickpockets. Win the dog. By the way, don't put those two together. I love win the dog. Win the dog is an unbelievable... It's brilliant, too. I believe that all workplaces should have a dog. I go further. I think dogs should run the country. Alsatians, yes. Not Spaniels. Yeah, not poos, half-breeds. No. You want a Malinois, an Alsatian, something with a bit of authority. Do you? Yeah, running the country. Man, I would love the country to be run by just a really happy, just golden lab.
5:07That would be amazing. It would be so nice. I believe. That's the kind of leader I want. But anyway, Win the Dog, when you're at Arsenal, in all sincerity, like we were, I've said this before, we were quite blessed to interview a lot of celebrity human beings. And I'm just like, wicked, we'll do it. Tom Brady, wicked. Just go, you know, we'll go for it. The one celebrity I've been like giddy AF to meet was last year at Arsenal. They brought Win the Dog in to meet me and genuinely I lost my crap. I think some people, when they're in an audience with the Pope, I imagine that's how they feel. I was just like so good.
5:42It was like immense. And yeah, I mean, we'll save it for our other podcast today in canine leadership. But why are they not running the country? Because you see how the players react to win. It's immense. It's real. I'm going off on one because you did the pickpockets that you were mocking and then you threw Win the Dog in. This was... Oh, you're a Win the Dog loyalist. Oh, my God. And I mean, Win the Dog, if Win the Dog was genuinely a religion, I would probably be... A winnest. A cult leader. But go on. Finish your point. Detail.
6:09Roger Bennett:this summer they've taken away the tunnel at the Emirates by all accounts they've removed the tunnel cover are the players just walking out of an orifice they are effectively walking out of an orifice so instead of the instead of the welcome to the orifice it's like it's the succession birthday party they're walking out you're walking out by the way this is very Arteta you're walking out of the Arsenal birth canal you're not taking the field you're giving life this is amazing I'm in I'm in so he's taken away the cover from the tunnel because he feels that being hit by that wall of noise is more intimidating to the opposition and that is logical, it makes sense it will make very little difference but I can see where he's coming from That was a thin margin He is a master of detail I think you should Simultaneously it does invoking the orifice you can tell this is the third one we've done today invoking the orifice does kind of hint at a little bit of desperation on Arsenal's part.
7:13Roger Bennett:That he is seeking every possible advantage, which is really praiseworthy, but it shows how fine the margins are now between success and failure for Arsenal. By the way, I am asking him about that. That's the truth. He does say... I mean, don't use the word orifice. Which? Just don't use the word orifice. Well, I know now, my way my brain works, I'm going to be there, but don't use... Which word? And then orifice will be out there before I can remember this orifice. It will be out there when you start the sentence. Orifice, how do you think? Mikkel Orifice. My guest today, Mikkel Orifice. Oh, my God.
7:49This is going to go so well. I do think he thinks, as he... I mean, he's a man that broods, that analyses. There's a dark night quality to that man over the summer. I think it is like the minute margins in his mind, the red cards, the set-piece play that missed by inches.
8:05Roger Bennett:Take every advantage you can. And this is what Rafa always said, that the manager, all the thinking, the planning, the strategizing, all that stuff, the tactics, they can get you into a position where you could win something. That was what he thought his job was. From that point on, what determines whether you will win anything, whether there's a trophy lift or not, is kind of luck. It's the red card that you don't deserve. It's the offside, the player who's an inch offside. It's the injury you get at the wrong time of the season. There are things you can't control as a manager. Arteta controls everything, and he's brought Arsenal to the point where they could win.
8:40Roger Bennett:They could easily win the Premier League this season. They could win the Champions League this season. They are in the conversation. It feels to me like it's partly the details and partly just a little bit of luck, to be honest, that's separating it. Yes, it could partly be the huge number of new wonders that have been brought in. By the way, part of the reason I think Rafa Benitez took one me up is that at the live Everton show we just did in Manhattan, at the post-show drinks, a lot of scousers who'd come over, one of them put their arm around me and go, I said, thank you so much. I'm so happy that you're here.
9:11He goes, you look like Rafa Benitez's stunt double low, mate. And it's like, just hounded me. I've just genuinely... That is not true. That is a man who does not know what people look like. Well, he maybe looks like he could be my son. I don't know. It's one or the other. God, so much optimism, though, in terms of the new incoming yes. Arsenal continue their slightly surreal fetishisation of Chelsea players with question marks about them. Brought in Maduike, brought in set-piece goat from Brentford, Christian Norgaard, who I think is going to be quite a force. But a player who I think is actually going to be one of the stars of the season, midfield destroyer, creator, Martin Zubemendi, midfielder who regains possession and then just makes it, I'm paraphrasing Johan Kroff, he said football is a very simple game, but playing simple football is the hardest thing there is.
10:01And you watch this man just take possession and then survey the field, the passing, just utterly, consistently brilliant, to free a Saka or an Odegaard or a Martinelli or a Jokeresh, of whom we'll talk in a moment. I think the creative process that he's going to unfurl there is going to be so much more unpredictable. Arsenal were so predictable in attack for so much of last season, he single-handedly will change it all up.
10:26Roger Bennett:Yeah, one of the things that really cost them last season, I think, was that there were vast periods where they were reliant on Saka or Odegaard. I think with Saka and Odegaard, you're probably okay. One of those two will find a way through. When it's just one, it makes you a little bit easier to defend against. And Zubimendi should give them a third option, a third kind of creative route to go through. He will make a difference. And talking about options in a sign which I'm not a theologian, but I do believe, and if you are a theologian, please confirm or deny, is a harbinger of the apocalypse, like famine or plague or heavenly disturbances, whatever they are.
11:01I still have only finally gone out and signed the number nine. A real striker, 27-year-old Victor Jokeresh. Scored 54 goals, I think, in 52 games, dot, dot, dot. Asterisk, yes, in Portugal. He's a complete player, no doubt. Can I ask you though, first of all, we've talked a lot, Arteta has resisted, resisted, resisted, the obvious, bringing a number nine for a long bloody time. I think he doesn't want that focal point, I think he wants balance points of attack and obviously a player who's only thinking about their own finishing is you know destroying the harmony of the collective but more importantly Yorcares struggled in a very limited spell in the top flight in England at Brighton this is going to be his first top flight real European big five challenge does that matter that he's not done it in a European league is
11:53Roger Bennett:there a risk here yeah I think there's a risk because you can't be sure how those goals in Portugal, which is like a second tier lead in Europe, will translate to the Premier League, where you get worked out pretty quickly. You know, if there's a flaw in your game, if there's a tail in your game, if you are limited in some way, then the players you're up against will work that out pretty fast. But also, it doesn't mean he won't succeed, if you see what I mean. He does have an incredible record in Portugal. He stored a load of goals for sporting, even when they were churning through managers. He scored so many that they still won the lead.
12:29Roger Bennett:In a season they had three managers, they still won the title. Partly because they had this guy just scoring an endless amount of goals. That's not a bad sign. And the change in managers, that's called a segue. This has got to be, I think, a win or bust season for Mikel Arteta. Question from the Men In Blazers Discord channel from our old friend Binky Marsh. Arsenal have finished second consistently without a striker. We've scratched that itch. What will break my heart this year? And why will Arsenal fall short again? Roar, what will it be? Will it be injuries? Crazy red cards only to Arsenal?
13:03Set-piece obsession?
13:04Roger Bennett:What will do them in? I can't say what will do them in because it would contradict my forthcoming predictions. But the one note of warning I would have is that the reason Arteta was resisting signing a number nine and out and out number nine is because he doesn't want to rejig his team around a striker. football's not an algorithm it's not the case that if you take a team that creates a load of chances and put in a striker who scores a load of goals those two things don't naturally marry up every single time it should do with Arsenal but there is a risk that putting a number 9 in creates a shortfall somewhere else that's what Arteta was resistant about so the test is can you get Jokeres into that Arsenal team allow him to flourish and score the goals you know he can score whilst not taking something else away.
13:53Roger Bennett:And the big unknown is what's the something else? From Arsenal, who cannot win a trophy to a team who win them even when they're in off-seasons? Chelsea Football Club champions of the world! I just filmed with Enzo Maresca, really delightfully smart man in his hour of vindication. However, when I asked him how this off-season in which his team conquered the world, shock PSG followed by a three week off vacation for everybody and then two quick jammed in pre-season games which they won by the way I asked him how that would affect the team's fitness and process over the course of the season and he smiled he said good question he said we do not know yeah that's the issue with Chelsea that there feels like there's a momentum around them that winning the Club World Cup as you say was vindication for Moresca whether you think that tournament was meaningful or not it's created quite a significant field good factor around the club.
14:49Roger Bennett:I think partly that was winning it. It was partly winning it with João Pedro immediately making that seismic impact, just transforming the team seemingly single-handedly. You've then thrown Jor-El Hato from Ajax into it, a really talented young defender. Esteval Willian, this incredible kind of Brazilian sensation, one of the brightest talents to come out of Brazil since Vinicius, I think. There's real expectation around him. It looks like they might go and sign Xavi Siemens from Leipzig. They are going places. They are Chelsea. They're signing players. Alejandro Garnaccio apparently wants to join them.
15:21Roger Bennett:They will continue to kind of get stronger in terms of their numbers, their depth. It feels like they're going somewhere now. But what might hold them back this season isn't in the first few weeks. They'll still be fit from the Club World Cup. It's can they sustain that in those long months of December, January, February. I think that's the one thing that might catch up with Chelsea. Yeah, Maresk said, we don't know because nobody knows. It is unprecedented, was his word. Second big question from GFOP, Saha Tullyakhanov, wrote a long letter. Dear Rog and Rory, I love the show. Appreciate the levity and insight you bring.
15:55He means you, Rory, to your football coverage. Second, as an Arsenal fan and someone concerned about billionaires' influence on society, not a natural fan of Chelsea's model in recent years, I laugh with everyone in the football world when the club first started buying everyone at once. But are either of you starting to think that, at least from a business perspective, Chelsea may have figured something out? He said, it's not the romantic way of running a club. It's not how I'd want Arsenal to be run. But have you started to think this may be a model? We'll see replicated through the football world.
16:26Big love from Hillsborough, North Carolina, Sasha Raw. Ru, with Cole Palmer so archly creative and João Pedro now just utterly explosive in front of him, 18-year-old Brazilian wonder, you mentioned him, Estevão, deliriously lethal. It's that endless churn actually starting to take shape. World champions, do they now have a bite for winning?
16:47Roger Bennett:I think there's a little bit of recency bias going on with Chelsea, if I'm honest. They're the last team we saw lift a trophy, and so everyone's kind of thinking, right, they must be ready now. But at the same time, it does feel like there's a bit of momentum around them. That is legitimate. To me, the issue with the model is partly a financial one in that you're kind of using a bit of accounting trickery to make it look like it's more sustainable than it is. It's partly a team-building one because there's a point where you have to stop that churn. You have to say, not we're going to have a summer without signing anybody, but maybe this summer we only signed two players, the two finishing pieces of the jigsaw.
17:20Roger Bennett:Just a Chiesa. Just a Chiesa. We're just bringing a Chiesa. Just buy a song. By the way, that's the sign of impending glory when you just, everything's perfect. All it needs is a little... It's the Salt Bay Chiesa thing. No, I think there's a point where you have to say, like, we can't be bringing in five, six players every summer because that creates too much uncertainty, creates too much newness, too much freshness. But my main objection to the model is the human side of it, which is you're treating these people as disposable, and I'm just really uncomfortable with it. They do seem to have finessed it sufficiently that it looks like each signing has a purpose.
17:57Roger Bennett:there's a stripe of Chelsea fan Rog who kind of brushes over the fact that a load of the signings were completely pointless that they spent loads of money on players and they've just disappeared sometimes like Christopher and Kunku it's a little bit unfortunate because there's an injury at the wrong time but a load of them, they just did them didn't really play them and then have sold them on and that is not really how I think there's a point at which the transfer market is being used for things it's not meant to be used for From Chelsea, who win things, to Tottenham, who checks notes. Are you reigning Europa League champions?
18:34Europa League triumphed last season, Spurs' first trophy since 2008. It was really a surreally joyful coda to a quite blistered season in which they finished a disastrous 17th place, 22 defeats a record. And then the happiness, 16 days after Nirvana, Daniel Levy sacked, heroic, kind of suffering at job levels manager, Ange Postacoglu. Enter Thomas Frank, fifth permanent Spurs coach in six seasons. It's been the sentimental agony that we've all lived through of watching Son Hung Min depart after 10 years of dreams and then dreams made real at the last. the cruel back to earth of a bump of James Madison suffering an ACL injury.
19:19He'll be out for the next six to seven months. Spurs win percentage. Just check it out. It drops precipitously without him in the side. But Mohamed Koudas is now a lily white, as is that smiter, oh, men. João Paulinha. Spurs are back in the Champions League. So much, though, rests on this new manager, this wonderful human being, almost a normal man in a remarkable way, in a deeply abnormal circumstance. Now, Thomas Frank is such a smart gent, such an emotionally intelligent human being, such a decent man. We had a great letter from GFOP Dana Graham, who wrote, Hi, Roger and Rory, Indianapolis-based Spurs fan wallowing in the misery of saying goodbye to Son while staring down the barrel of a Madison-less season.
20:05At this point, it's only right and proper to turn to religion. Which brings me to the question, as a former devout postacogluite, what do you reckon the odds are of our new coach converting me into a Franciscan?
20:18Roger Bennett:Oh, Franciscan is nice, I like that a lot that will catch on Will it though? It depends No, I think it will because I think he's a really smart appointment he was the obvious kind of next cab off the rank if that makes sense he proved his mettle at Brentford he'd been there for years and years and years, he'd kind of turned them into a Premier League club and when we talk about Brentford, we'll talk about the systems they have in place. Thomas Frank himself has already in an interview talked about how good the systems at Brentford were. He's a natural delegator. He knows what his strengths are.
20:51Roger Bennett:He knows what his weaknesses are. Strengths. Partying. He's a Dane. He loves a party. Loves a party. Loves a very neat house. Pop, pop, pop. Without many material possessions. Loves a high tax rate. Loves a party. I'm in. He's Danish. I think he'll do really well. I think he's actually of all those managers that Spurs have appointed since Pochettino, he's the one who gives me the strongest Pochettino vibes of that is a natural fit. I think Thomas Frank will do brilliantly at Tottenham. By the way, listen to him, he's Pochettino at Spurs. Yeah, not America Pochettino. A whole different person, but soon to be the same, I have no doubt.
21:28Roger Bennett:Basically a different guy. But yeah, when Spurs appointed Pochettino, it felt, OK, he has done brilliantly at Southampton. That makes sense. This is the step up. It's the same for Thomas Frank. My worry for Tottenham is they came very close to signing Morgan Gibbs-White. From the outside, Rog, it looks a little bit like Morgan Gibbs-White wanted to play for Tottenham. Yeah. And then... How little do we know about football? Then for some reason, Morgan Gibbs-White signed a new contract at Nottingham Forest. Yeah. I'm sure he's delighted about it. He looks very happy. But they obviously feel as though they were lacking kind of creativity.
21:59Roger Bennett:And then they've lost Maddison. That's not ideal. As we're recording, Rog, it looks like they might be exploring a deal, according to your friend Fabrizio Romano. for Savino, the Manchester City winner, which I think would be a really important signing given the loss of Son. But you still look at that side and think, OK, there are areas that they have to improve. They need to have quite a big order, I think, in terms of recruitment. But I have no doubt that Frank, I don't think Spurs fans come December will be missing Ange Postacoddy. That's my prediction. God, it is fascinating. By the way, Thomas Frank, just get Ivan Toney, Neil Morpé and Ollie Watkins, get them all back, get the band back together, lads.
22:35That's all. By the way, this is an incredible plot twist. No one's coming. I think that's so wild that no one will be missing Ange Postacoglu. I actually think it's incredibly hard for Tom Oshang. I think Ange's head, like this big spiritual cloud, will hang over Tottenham Stadium if there are losses. That's when we will not forget the evangelical religion that big Ange Postacogluism gave to us. From big Ange to little Tom, they're definitely getting someone more. I don't think that'll catch on. No, he won't want it to. The big dick will catch on, the little Tom won't. But they're kind of, I don't know, I'm not going to go there.
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23:08Spurs though, this evangelism, there's definitely a more sensible nature to this religion. If anything, little Tom's religion.
23:20You can't call him little Tom. What's Danish for little Tom? I think that'll probably work. It's like the religion, what religion? It's like ethical culture, right? It's like, it's very rational. You told me it's possibly the most sensible appointment any club has ever made, which I love. Because, you know, I don't do hyperbole. But I love Spurs. I love Thomas Frank. It has been fascinating watching him so far trying to navigate seven years at Brentford where he did control everything. You know, the quality, the calibre of the players, the setup, the expectations. Everything is now stepped up for him.
23:55I believe he can do it. You know, ultimately, he's kind of begun a bit like one of those sitcoms where the country bumpkin comes to the big city and is exploring it. He's got real like Eddie Murphy coming to America vibes. I hope he can ace this. But let's move to another magical coach. Unai Emery at Aston Villa. Not in the South. Shocked to be in the South. Shocked, I tell you. But, you know, when you're making podcasts up, you make your own rules.
24:20Roger Bennett:When you create artificial borders, like all borders, they're artificial. Yeah. Then you have problems. and I think podcast formats are unrelenting I was thinking about this between episodes Rog I think the answer to the question the way to settle it is is to do an NFC Central is that place in the south Birmingham is not in the north but it is very much not in the south it's more in the north than it is the south this is so amazing I don't know what to tell you other than I realise there's nothing to tell me just say yes should have been three episodes that's the reality we should have done an NFC Central but let's pretend let's suspend reality say Aston Villa you're jammed in and sometimes you know in conferences in American sports you have teams in that don't quite fit Atlanta will play in the California division God bless the California division get with me baby we're going to have lots of fun what is Rory smoking what is the California it's what we say it is as we say Aston Villa in the south and Aston Villa I mean the joy of last season's return to Champions League that was really effervescent another harsh reality of failing to re-qualify, hampered by financial fair play PSR issues, stymied really the flow of incoming reinforcements.
25:33This season's going to rest a lot on Unai Emery's cagey tactical brilliance, right? That's what we look to him for, his man-management, his tactical obsession. Villa feel a little bit like they could be on a pathway. They thought it was a return to glory.
25:45Roger Bennett:It could be stalling out. Yeah, the difficulty they've got, and this is the bit where I get a little bit annoyed about the kind of conversation around PSR, is not that they're being prevented from spending. It's that they have already spent so much that they are at their limits. You know, we looked at Villa last season and said, even before they signed Rashford and Asensio on loan, and Daniel Marlon for an actual fee, that they were kind of operating at like 90 % of their turnover was going on wages. That's unsustainable for any business, for any club. You shouldn't, as a fan, and try not to tell fans how to behave, but you shouldn't be saying, I want my club to be spending more money on wages than they earn.
26:26Roger Bennett:That's very clearly a bad idea. Financial recklessness, it's why we watch. We shouldn't be encouraging it. And to me, it's right that there are rules in place to guard against it. Whether the rules as they are are right, I don't know, but there should be rules. So Villa are having a bit of a kind of recalibration, a bit of a reckoning this summer. They need to get a couple out. But they're in the same position as Newcastle, where they almost don't really think they should have to do that because they feel like a big club, because Villa are a big club. So they shouldn't have to sell anybody. They shouldn't have to kind of accept that sometimes you need to take a step back to take a step forward.
26:59Roger Bennett:And it feels like they're kind of caught in a logjam a little bit. So with Emery there, they'll be fine. They will finish in the top eight of the Premier League. But to get to the top four, the top five, you maybe need to make some difficult decisions. Yeah, you know, ultimately your point is we're all just cheering for spreadsheets. All of us, we're not football fans. We're just accountants working taxis in an H &R block. By the way, if UCLA can play in the Big Ten, then anything's possible. Don't know what that means. I know. You've come up with your California conference crap on me. I'm just coming back, baby.
27:32From one great manager facing a massive challenge to another, Crystal Palace. Another best of times, worst of times situation. Palace had the euphoria of the club's first trophy in 119 years. They then won another one within three months. But then there was the cruelty of being dumped into the conference league because UEFA said Palace had breached its rules on multi-club ownership. That uncertainty has led to a knock-on effect, a lack of transfers and the threat of Eberit Giese, their hobby, Mark Gahey, their real rock at the back, departing. And the worry is Oliver Glasner, the brain in a bottle who has created such a tenacious culture, a ferocious culture, has said cryptically, these are his words, my fate is, quote, the same as Mark's.
28:20Is this just the truth of non-Big Six football that happiness is eternally doomed just to be fleeting?
28:28Roger Bennett:I think it's not necessarily the truth, but it's kind of the most likely outcome. And there is a worry. I don't think there's been a more admirable club over the last 18 months than Crystal Palace. Even as someone who supports another football team, being at the semi-final of the FA Cup and the final last May, last April, last May, it was really hard not to be swept away by how great their fans are, by the kind of euphoria around the club, by the meaning that those games had for that team. To the extent that when they beat Liverpool to win the Community Shield, I was legitimately quite happy for them.
28:58It hurt and shattered him,
29:00Roger Bennett:but you're a big man. You big manned it, didn't you? If I could lose the Community Shield, which deep down I do not care about to anybody, Rog, it would be to Crystal Palace. Even more so than into Miami. Do you know what? In fact, it's not just Crystal Palace, it's Leeds, then into Miami. Fair. But the worry is that that might kind of prove to be the high point because, you know, as we're recording, Eber Eche-Eze and Mark Gay are both Palace players and Oliver Glasner is the Palace manager. There is a chance that by the end of August, at least two of those things, maybe three of those things, I think not three of those things, but at least two of them are no longer true.
29:34Roger Bennett:Gay, Steve Parrish, the club's kind of executive, the minority owner who runs the club. Chairman. Chairman is the word I'm looking for. Chairperson. Chairperson. Chair. Steve Parrish, the club's chair. The chair with the hair. The chair with the hair. That's a great name for Steve Parrish. There you go. Little Tom, not so good. Chair with the hair, we're doing business. We're finally workshopping some good stuff here, Rog. Thank you. The chair with the hair has said that they can't afford to let Gay leave on a free. He's made it pretty clear he's not renewing his contract. Liverpool and Newtassel are both sniffing around him.
30:04Roger Bennett:He, it looks like, will go. Eze, I think, is a little bit less likely, if I'm honest, just because there must be part of Eberich Eze that is wondering, how first team am I at Arsenal? But that said... How Champions League am I with football? He's very Champions League at Arsenal, that is true. So it may well be that Palace go into this season, once it's up and running, without their two best players. I don't think Glasner will leave, if I'm completely honest. The test will be, can they replace Gay and Eze pretty quickly and sustain what they've become? Because it would be such a shame to see that fall apart.
30:40Roger Bennett:That's Will Hughes erasure. That is Will Hughes. But it's also Adam Wharton erasure. I know, I know. Because Adam Wharton is, and next summer, we will be having this conversation about Palace losing Wharton, but they will at least be losing Wharton, I think, for somewhere close to£100 million. Where there's Will Hughes, there is. By the way, if Will Hughes, that ability, had Gwendouzi's face, I'm pretty convinced Gwendouzi was a professional footballist because he had professional footballer hair. Like, we'd be talking about Will Hughes. I'm pretty convinced as one of the most ferocious midfielders in football, because Will Hughes looks like he does.
31:14he never ever ever ever ever gets mentioned he's a phenomenal footballer yeah there's a few like
31:19Roger Bennett:that who just look a little bit too they look a bit too delicate and i think there is definitely like i mean this is part of money ball isn't it that there's an element in scouting of the eye test and i think to a lot of scouts will hughes looks he looks a little bit like an elfin prince yeah will hughes is like in the stephen naismith category what you can't see you can't defend the cloak of invisibility that kind of very very very light skin translucence you know guendouzi you bounce around, you're seeing the hair, you're in the rhythm, you're feeling the vibe, he's crap at football, but like, Will Hughes because he looks like he does like Stephen Naismith's son, we're like yeah, never get to mention, I think we've talked more about Will Hughes in the past five minutes than most season previews we'll mention Will Hughes and he's a phenomenal footballer.
32:02Roger Bennett:I think there is a point though where you have to, as a club, decide is it suitable for this person to be outdoors in the sunshine and with both Will Hughes, he's good at the night games. Play Will Hughes at night, same as Nasey. By the way, Conference League, he's going to destroy you. He's going to have a well of the time. All those night-time kickoffs in December. Under the floodlights. Made for it, man. From Palace, whom I utterly adore, to another admirable team, Bournemouth, your golden war cherries. I love that club. I love their approach to life and football. Bill Foley, the owner of your Las Vegas NHL team.
32:37Every sports team he has lived by his life in the Marines. That Creed. We were in the boardroom filming with Tyler Adams yesterday. It says in huge letters always advance, never retreat, which I don't think you can say in an English accent. I think you need to put on a terrible American accent when you say it. When you say it in English, always advance, never retreat. Always advance, never retreat?
33:01Roger Bennett:Always what? It sounds like a question. Always advance. Are you saying that in terms of uplifting mottos it's the same? Always treat, mmm, treat, what? Is it the same as a slogan as the state in which ESPN are headquartered. It's a thing you can't say in an English accent. Oh, you mean Connecticut? Can't say it in an English accent. What do you call it? I call it like it should be pronounced, Connecticut. Yes, that's true. Americans call Leicester as it should be pronounced. But I love his creed. They thrilled me last season. They really, really did. We made a beautiful film about them. Just the resources, but the ambition, almost making that ambition come through.
33:38So this season, it's been a bit like watching the good Southampton team of like the 2015s just be stripped for, but a great Dorman team of Europe be stripped for parts. Bigger teams just been saying, get back down the food chain. That chill guy, Dean Housen,$68 million to Real Madrid. Milos Kerkhez, Liverpool, what was it like,$54,$55 million. Zabani set to leave for PSG. Kepa gone to Arsenal. Bournemouth, yes, off their highest ever points total. Ninth place finish, and that ties a club record. I was there yesterday with Tyler. I just say there's a lot of uncertainty around the club. Andoni Irola, their Murakami quoting coach.
34:20I love that man too. He's got one year left on his contract. Roar, they lost Solanke the year before and kept on rolling. Is it a year of deflation, or is it like in recruitment we trust?
34:31Roger Bennett:That's the big test, because they've recruited brilliantly for the last couple of years, Bournemouth, and it meant that they could weather the loss of Solanke basically pretty easily without really noticing. They got£60 million,£70 million,$80 million, something like that, and just kind of kept on bouncing. It's a bit different when you lose your entire defence. If we're all completely honest, that's not great. It's the middle of August, the season starts in a few days, and they have lost their entire defence. They are at Liverpool on the opening day, on Friday night. I am pretty sure that the Bournemouth we see that night will be what we get from Bournemouth this year.
35:05Roger Bennett:They will be dangerous going forward because most of the attack is still in place. But I think that losing Zabani potentially, definitely losing Heysen, definitely losing Kyrgyz, that will take them some time to recover from. It's a real test of their recruitment, which has been good. But you're trying to capture lightning in a bottle twice and that's hard. Another team in that Premier League, supposedly vaunted middle class, Fulham. really frustrating off-season of inactivity. Little in terms of big change from our Discord channel, Roar. A question from T Cook. Rory, what's the sense of Marco Silva as a manager right now in Europe?
35:43Fulham seemingly stagnant in the summer transfer market, aside from fending off challenges for Tete and Muniz. It seems like his fast car ambition may be hitting Karn's moustachioed wall of reality. I don't know what that is, but I love it. of all the assets I dread losing to another club right now the departure of his stable leadership and tactical prowess may be the one I fear the most
36:06Roger Bennett:yeah with good reason I think that Silva has completely rehabilitated whatever reputational damage he suffered from Everton it shouldn't have been very much because I'm still a bit baffled by why Everton sacked him it still seems a bit weird I was going to say Fulham don't worry you can survive it's a life after love there is we're doing alright without him sort of but I don't really get why he got sacked But anyway, that's a different matter. Because we hate ourselves. Come on. We can't have nice things. No, that was. Fulham. Fulham. As long as Silva's there, Fulham will be fine. And I suspect that the thing that's keeping Silva there is that he's not...
36:40Roger Bennett:He's kind of having like a... It's very quiet success, isn't it? It's kind of... It's not showy success. It's not the sort of success that gets people really sort of heft up and think, oh, I've got to have that guy. I've got to have that manager. it's the quiet success of competence and adequacy. Fulham will not get relegated. Is he a technocrat? He's kind of like... I've never quite understood what a technocrat is but is he what? He reminds me a little bit of Romano Prodi who was Prime Minister of Italy. He was like the boring Prime Minister of Italy and they'd had like 10 Prime Ministers in three months and they were like, let's give this job to the most boring man we can find.
37:19Roger Bennett:And he was just really good at it. And then for a while, the Italians stopped changing government. And you were like, this Romano Prodi is not very exciting, is he? But he was really good at his job. That's Marco Silva. God, it's so amazing. The way you've just defined it, it's only the vast enjoyment he derives from all the talk of the possibility of him leaving that's keeping him in the job. I don't know where Silva would go. He could be a hugely successful manager at any big club. Be like Moise, come back to Everton, Marco. He might. He'll be drawn back by the big dick at some point. but the that's on the goose cheating point hey guys Everton will get a new stadium BDE and suddenly all these managers who failed at Goodison will be like I think I can have a go at Everton now they're in a nice stadium Silver will see where we're going Rafa Benitez coming back who doesn't want some big dick energy I'm in Silver isn't when the big jobs come up Silver will always be on the list but I suspect he will never quite get the job which will leave him at Fulham which ironically makes Fulham stasis a quite happy form of stasis because they will be top half of the Premier League stasis I love it I love it by the way I'm pretty sure that's the Jack Grealish negotiation again we're all trying to wonder how we got him on loan it's just like big dick energy Jack do you want some do you think do you think it's like the Everton like the powerpoint they do there's like a slide it's like David Moyes our manager here's the squad here are your teammates here are the new sign-ins and then there's just one slide that's just captioned big dick energy yeah BDE yeah it's like hymns it's like yeah I'm in West Ham another club it's a pretty fascinating moment Graham Potter's had a full pre-season to embed his hopefully redemptive ideas Jared Bowen is an undoubted flashing knife almost I mean a little bit of the Will Hughes's for him I mean he's definitely risen higher Herefordshire farmer though so tough but again add Gwendoosie hair this is the this is this is the new if I were in recruitment and data my when I did my provings I'd say add Gwendoosie hair to Jared Bowen boom that would be how I'd like close the deal that's quite a good test yeah does he look like does it pass the soft test with added Gwendoosie hair that's how you find stealth would we like him more if he had better hair yeah I mean by the way talking about that Nicholas Falkoom is looking destructive and Paqueta is off his spot betting charges.
39:52What's the point of West Ham though was the major question we had in our Discord, in our West Ham section of Discord, at Hogthrob, when it comes to West Ham, just what are we even doing, Ru, is the question.
40:05Roger Bennett:Well, having Paqueta back and kind of fully focused, I think that's a massive advantage. He's a top six player. The problem for West Ham is that quite a lot of teams in that kind of lower middle class of the Premier League have got one or two top six players and West Ham have just one. They have Packet Tower and that's it. So yeah, I think there is a real danger of drift because they don't seem to be going anywhere. I like Graham Potter as a manager. I like him as a human being. He's a nice man. He has some good ideas. He will play controlled, intelligent football. Maybe not the most exciting all of the time, but he is a safe pair of hands by any kind of nature of that definition.
40:43Roger Bennett:But the problem is it does feel as though there is no real purpose to the club and that can be quite dangerous, Rog. Yeah, God, it just takes a tiny change to West Ham to change everything. More orifices. Why does no other club ever win the dog? Dot, dot, dot. Let's round all this off by heading deep into the B's. First Brighton, Fabian Herzler's difficult second album of a season. I think Jen is now like 32 and a half so he's just gone through puberty. Seagull scored for fun last season under him. They also conceded a crap load if they're going to return to Europe, which is what I think they aspire to do.
41:19Going to have to overcome the loss up front of João Pedro. Latest incoming big signing, High Hope, 18-year-old Greek youngster, Cheralampos Kostoulas Yasu. Keeping Caro Matoma, I would say, is probably better than any new signing. But Brighton's model seems to be pretty well selling everything they can on to Chelsea. Tom Burley's bought over$400 million worth of Brighton talent since he came in. I did love the Brighton CEO, Paul Barber, who's been on this show. And if you are fascinated by well-run clubs, listen to that interview. He's brilliant. He said this week, as I've said many times, Chelsea are my best customer.
41:55We wish you well. And, you know, Chelsea have got loyalty points with me because they keep coming back raw. But there's got to be more of a point to a club than just selling on to Chelsea, doesn't there?
42:05Roger Bennett:But the thing with Brighton is they just keep repeating the trick. It's an amazing thing. My temptation is to say, OK, Herzl is a year older, a year wiser. He was a real risk when they brought him in and it paid off. He took to Premier League management relatively easily. And that was a really brave decision from Brighton, a club that have made a lot of brave decisions. But received wisdom is that he was too young to be a Premier League manager. Turns out that was wrong. He's really good. He will improve this season. I think that's probably fair to at least kind of believe that he will get better.
42:36Roger Bennett:but you look at the squad and you think well they might yet lose Belaber to Manchester United Joao Pedro's gone they can't surely they can't keep doing it they can't keep finding finding replacements for these players but they do so this this sounds kind of almost damning with faint praise Brighton will do what Brighton do they will have spells where they are excellent and they win lots of games they will beat at least two of the so-called theoretical big six at home, there will be a point where I say to you, Rog, on a podcast, why can't Brighton get in the Champions League? And then they'll finish ninth.
43:11God. I did, by the way, love in that Paul Barber interview, he said his wisdom, which is the day you start looking for a new manager is the day you hire your new one. They're instantly looking for a replacement, replacement, replacement, which brings us to Brentford, talking about well-run models and maybe clubs at a trout farm to some point, Maybe kind of fished out. Talk about change at an industrial scale. First manager Thomas Frank, the figurehead who led the transformation of the club from championship fodder to a Premier League fixture, has gone to Tottenham. He's taken the core of his management team with him.
43:46Brentford have been under him, the ultimate trust the process kind of model. And they've appointed from within. In his absence, they've taken on rookie manager Keith Andrews. Zero experience as a head coach. He was previously Thomas Frank's set-piece coach before that. I mean, this is the ultimate test of their model club kind of appointment system. And we see this every year. This is what I'm saying. They say they have lost Ollie Watkins. They've lost Ivan Toney. They've lost now Brian Mbumo, Christian Norgard. Almost definitely they're going to lose Johan Wieser. I mean, this is just a devastating set of losses.
44:23but we prophesied Brentford's doom every single season. Their owner, Matthew Benham, is a data genius. Are they just footballing cockroaches?
44:33Roger Bennett:We probably should give Brentford the same treatment we give Brighton and that's to assume that they have proved over the course of a number of years that they are smart enough to know what they're doing. So yeah, from the outside, you look at Brentford and think, you've lost your best player, you're probably going to lose your second best player, you've lost one of the key cogs of your midfield in Nordrard, The manager's gone. Benham is, I think, selling a stake in Brentford, which is a little bit of a kind of suggestion that maybe he thinks things are reaching a natural conclusion. And he's looking to kind of elicit his money from it, which is fair enough.
45:05Roger Bennett:But at the same time, they've done it so many times before that there is part of you that thinks they will probably be fine. My worry with Brentford is they might just have bitten off a little bit more than they can chew. It's kind of the reverse of what's happened to Liverpool. It's too much change all at once. except with Liverpool it's coming in and with Brentford it's going out. I don't know whether they can pull the Brighton trick and lose all of those established styles, all of those established figures, all of that institutional knowledge and still go and do it again. They're Jordan Henderson's team now, Ro.
45:38Godspeed. Because that team, that fan base, that unique art that they've been on has been remarkable to witness. But it is time we have gone over every single team from the naughty north to the sexy south and it's prediction time, Ro. Spoiler alert for fellow listeners. We're about to reveal the outcome of this season because it's nailed on. Rory's will be right. Mine will be utterly deluded. But let's first look at the anals, Ro. Let's plumb them together. Who's going down and why?
46:09Roger Bennett:So I would say that... Do you want all three at once, Rog? Yeah, good point. Let's do it. I would say that it will be a... The reversal from the last two seasons where the three promoted teams will not all go down, because I think that both Leeds and Sunderland will stay up. What? I think that Wolves, Brentford and Burnley will be the three relegated teams. This is astonishing. These are big, big margin calls, Roar. I don't know exactly what that means, but I see it on CNBC. I figure you might as well with these predictions. My predictions are always wrong, Rog. You might as well just be bold.
46:43I hate predictions. We just had Tom Brady on, and I asked him for a prediction. He said, I don't do predictions. They're just stupid. I was like, OK. But you know what? I actually, I'm so bad at them. So these are utterly ridiculous. For me, the bottom three in reverse order, and I feel so sad saying the first one, I do think it's Brentford. I'm just going to whisper it, Brentford, and hope that I am utterly, utterly deluded. I think Burnley, I think losing Trafford in goal, it's going to be just a where art thou? It's so, so tough for them to lose it. an elite player at that caliber and just it sucks everything back.
47:22There's that seed of doubt that is now sown in. And unfortunately, you and I very much differ at the bottom of the table. I do, I believe. I mean, this also makes me sad because I deal with the sun until I die. I would love to be so bloody wrong. Fear not, Brentford fans. Let me give you a lifeline from another of my favorite Russian poets, Brodsky, who wrote, Life the way it really is, is a battle not between bad and good, but between bad and worse, which I honestly find that somehow deeply energising to the top four rule. Let's do it drama style in reverse order. 4-3-2-1, if you will.
47:59Roger Bennett:Fourth Chelsea. Because I think they are going to be better than last season. I think it'll be a closer top four. But I think there's a lot of recency bias and that the Club World Cup will catch up with them. Am I doing my top four? Yeah, I don't know if people... That's ping-ponging backwards and forwards. It's just like cutting between radio stations. So let's do the serious ones first and then we'll have the clown car just mop up the rest. Third Liverpool, which is higher than I'd normally have them, which I'd normally put them about ninth because I'm a very negative person. I think that they will be much stronger in 26, 27.
48:36Roger Bennett:It feels like there's a lot of change this summer and it might be a little bit of a kind of building year. So you've got Everton in second. Everton in second. Wow. I'm genuinely torn on this one. I don't know which way it will go, but I'm going to say Manchester City second, Pep Guardiola redemption arc and Arsenal first. It feels like it's their time. They are the most complete, most settled team. I think this is the year. I don't think it's a win or bust for Arteta, but it feels like it's the year that Arsenal should win the league. And at the final game of the season, Mikel Arteta's asked, how did you go undefeated at home the whole campaign?
49:11And he said, it's easy. The orifice. It's all about the orifice. It is all about the orifice. What are yours? Mine. I think for Chelsea, I think Maresca is going to have a phenomenal season for DHS. I do think the Champions League is going to tie this team out. Cole Palmer out. They're not going to be able to rest him in Europe as they did for much of last season. It's going to mute their title charge, which I do think will come, but not this year. Number three, Manchester City. I think it's going to be, and this is an agony, Pep's rollercoaster emotional season. will continue. I actually find it, I find anxious, anxiety-ridden, but I find it quite hard to watch humanly.
49:51Number two, and this is an incredible achievement, I think it's going to be Liverpool Football Club. I think it's going to be one of the most incredible feats to be candid, humanly. And we've talked about it all, you know, for the past month, the grief will come in waves. Some of the new players will take time to bed in. But for them, we have both sets of challenges is one profoundly the most profoundly human one deeply deeply footballing for them to conjure the kind of transcendent football I think Liverpool fans will look on this season as just one of the most incredible emotional journeys of all and I do I'm a horrible person but I wish them I wish them joy and a sense of meaning and a sense of togetherness and a sense of wonder in that And I'm also going to go with you.
50:39Arsenal Football Club title winners. Arsenal Football Club champions. I mean, it's funny to say those words. I'm not an Arsenal fan. I'm getting excited humanly. I truly believe that Arsenal fans should experience happiness too. I can't stand the self-definition of lesser. This just feels right to me. I pray because I'm aware, as I say it, the chances of this happening are, you know, I see the pitfalls as every Arsenal fan listening is no doubt laughing and thinking about the pitfalls. But I just hope humanly that this is a culmination to a hero's journey as opposed to kind of a deteriorating march of folly.
51:22And I wish that joy upon each and every single one of you. And that's it. Should share the joy, right, Rul?
51:29Roger Bennett:yeah it feels like they've earned it it feels like they've they've suffered enough they've had their years in the wilderness and they've come close that kind of agonizing kind of proximity to it now it's their turn i hope you've taken you've taken the the hard road and i hope you you find your healing um but that is it um listeners gfops great friends of the pod we would love to hear your predictions we'd love to hear your insights we'd love to keep hearing your questions join our Men in Blazers Discord. It's in the show notes here on YouTube, in the podcast. Come and tell us, speak to Rory, speak to dull old Rog.
52:05What are you thinking? What are you feeling? What are you asking yourselves? The Discord channel is a really roiling and quite beautiful conversation. Come and join it. I do hope that you'll find that football is better. We're friends. One quick note, we're launching a new show, Big Weekend Preview, which you can only shout out every Friday you can video yourself asking your best question about the weekend's football to come send it in to us we'll answer as many as we possibly can on Friday's show now there's an upload link that makes it simple all over our social media you can always send in an email at meninblazers at gmail.com with your video old school style thanks again to Yeti for making Men in Blazers football holiday and this in person taping oh tapings possible I've enjoyed every single second with you, Roar.
52:56Roger Bennett:It's been wonderful. It's really sunny outside, which is rare for England, Rog. And I've not felt kind of hard done to at all. It's just nice to be sat here with you making predictions that we'll be wrong. Roar is actually thinking about moving to America because this has been such a joy. I've had such a nice time. He's got to sell it into his family, obvs. But my God, I've loved being in this beautiful space. Also, I will need to live in your house. It's fine. Fine. Yeah. Bert and Ernie sit you. The kids are all at college now anyway. It's not a problem. I love it. Bert and Ernie. bring it on last one Roar what is one thing we've not mentioned that you're most looking forward to about this season ahead what I'm looking forward to about the season ahead is there will be a song there will be a song that is not currently a chant that will become a chant it might be Wacka Wacka it might be currently a chant currently a chant but previously not a chant adopted by English football it might be Sway which you know the Chiesa song which became the anthem them at Liverpool towards the end of last season.
53:56Roger Bennett:One will be started somewhere and it will catch on and it will get stuck in my head and that is when I know the season is fully upon us. God, I'm pretty sure it'll happen at the big dick and it'll be Johnny Cash's hurt or somehow turn that into a dirge-like song or wonder. It will be happening. Listen, we have this season together. We are going to share it together. Let's savour every second. Let's not take a second of watching football together for granted. This is Rog saying let's make great memories together. Big love. Courage.
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In Part 2 of our two part Premier League preview, Rog and Rory complete their breakdown of every team in the top flight, including if Mikel Arteta's love for details will be enough to get Arsenal over the second place hump, if Chelsea's Club World Cup win will be a help or hinderance for them this season, and why Thomas Frank to Tottenham is maybe the most sensible appointment ever made. Plus, Rog and Rory give their picks for the top four teams in the table, as well as who will get the dreaded drop to the Championship.
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