PSG-Chelsea Club World Cup Final Preview LIVE! with Rory Smith, Marcus Samuelsson, Clint Dempsey and Jürgen Klinsmann: Men in Blazers 07/11/25

22:42You saw what the team in 94 did, right? There wasn't a lot of... I'm being honest with you as a fan at the time, I didn't know that the U.S. was going to get out of that group, and I didn't think that they were going to beat Columbia, who was dominant in Cannonball in terms of how they played during the World Cup qualifying. So I'm going to hold on to hope that they're going to get things right, the best players are going to come in. We're going to get some of these players that are fit, like Anthony Robinson, Sergino Des, hopefully Baligan. Get Christian motivated and back in the team and hopefully Pochettino and them do a little bit of damage control there and let's get back on track.

23:19Get Tony Miola back as well, baby.

23:22Rog:Solve all those problems. More mullets. That's what this team need. I do need to touch upon the other storylines. You've hit upon it. And for me, it was the agony. You've talked about 2014. That fan base was traveling with every kick of the ball. We just lived the cold cup where, to begin with, The turnout was... I mean, we did a live show in Austin. You're like, there was more people in our live show than there were in the stadium for the game the next day. And then the game sold out. I mean, Guatemalan American fans had the journey of a lifetime, and I am so happy for them because that was delirious.

23:59Rog:But they outnumbered the US fans by 9-1. Same for the Mexico file. What steps do we have to do to rebuild, to restore? I mean, I think you need to have your best players there. You need people to be fit. We've been a little unlucky there. But at the same time, you need to inspire this fan base through good play. And I think because of, I'm like a broken record, I keep repeating the same things, but because of some of these failures of Copa America not getting out of the group and how we performed in CONCACAF Nations League and then not having your best players for Gold Cup, whether it's injuries or what have you, or FIFA Club World Cup, people weren't excited enough to go out and support and watch those games.

24:44So you have to give them that passion to fill up the stadiums. And I felt that passion when in 2010, 2014, walking to the stadiums before games and seeing the crowd, seeing the energy, like my man right here, represent with a diamond grill in his bottom teeth.

25:11Rog:You know, last question for me. Pochettino, Raw talked about fitting the big players back into this new culture. It's a very tricky piece of messaging. He's got some tricky decisions. Who does he bring back? Who does he leave out? You know, there will be that discussion. there's going to be some surprises you know as a former player what messaging do you think pot should be giving out now that will get the biggest response from the best players well i think that's where you earn your money as a manager is how you deal with players and how you man manage right you you can do the tactics and when you have more time you're able to implement more of your style into the team but i think it's creating a culture and creating environment where you're not afraid to make big decisions and people have to check their egos at the door and everybody has to be bought in and be aligned with the game plan and believing they're moving in the right direction and at the end of the day he's going to be judged on how they do in this world cup whether it's success or failure of how they perform and not getting out of the group will be a catastrophe

26:25I think the US will get out of the group I think there's no shortage of talent the one thing in the teams that you were in that people would have said was we're not sure if there's the depth of quality you had a dozen players who were playing in Europe that we'd seen in the Europa League in the Champions League that we knew could compete with the best that Europe had to offer, the best that South America had to offer now there's 14, 15, 16 US players who have spent ages in Europe. There's no problem with quality. I think finding that little bit of bite and hunger in the Gold Cup, even when you lose the final to Mexico, that's the thing that's been missing.

27:01You need that little thing of, okay, we've got a point to prove. Also the maths. So just a little bit of math. 12 groups. That means the US are top seeds and all the drug countries have gone. All of the drug countries have gone. They'll be in other groups. The US will get out of the group and if you can get the country motivated for it, then that's when being host is an advantage.

27:24Rog:Exactly. One of the joys of working with Rory this week in New York is that he's actually making a run for mayor of New York City. Yeah. The position's open. This man, I just love a man that comes over. He's not your typical English journalist either. He's positive. I like this guy. I like this guy. I can't believe it, generally. I'm the most negative human being in the world. Rory is lifting me up. and I'm like, I turned to my wife, I said, yeah, but he's from Yorkshire. How does that even work? I've never met this kind of thing. I do love your pandering. Rora's declared, we're getting out of a group that we don't know the other teams are in it.

28:01Rog:It's going to be fine. It'll all be fine. It will be bloody fine. Yes, sir. Have you ever met a positive English person before? Hey, I like it. I like it. He's making me believe again, so. I will say, Steve Coogan declared what an English person is. He said, if you give an average English person a choice between their own success and your failure, they'll choose your failure every single time. Raw. Yeah, but I do that, but just for Australians. You are the most American English person I have ever Englished in my life. But Clint, I want to say I adore you. Being with you this summer has been one of the highlights of my professional life.

28:40Rog:It really has listening to you, moving around this nation with you, seeing how football fans in this nation react to you. They're both reacting to you for what you've done on the field, wearing our nation's jersey. I think, I mean, a proper legend, a proper, proper, proper legend.

29:11Don't do it, Raj. Don't do it.

29:14Rog:Hold it together. I'm going to rein it in. But I also think, to be honest, watching fans engage with you in this here and now, we react to you because you take us back to a more nostalgic time for all of us when we had that sense of hope, when we felt like those delirious heights that we dreamt of were possible. So I want to finish the night by bringing on another guest who was alongside you in that time. a gentleman who won the world cup as a player managed germany to um just a dizzying moment for that footballing nation then came and he challenged us all in u.s soccer to think differently he was really quite a brazen truth teller we didn't always like to hear what he had to say but my god it was both important in the moment and i think a lot of people have gone back to hear his words and I'm like wow what he said there is kernels of truth that have come true it's a joy to have him here I love him because I filmed the thunderous campaign in Brazil I got to live with the team I got to live with Clint I got to live with with Jürgen's squad that created so many memories so it really is very meaningful to have them both up on stage with us today let's welcome to the stage Mr Jürgen Klinsmann And all a general跟 a half -st Carrester in theeri In the front of all then In the deepываем 99 hated In the views

31:05Rog:holy cow i'm gonna say to sit with your booth is to have the years roll away it feels like it's 11 years ago it's like we're back at a press conference

31:15Jurgen Klinsmann:you're not playing tomorrow come on take the hard questions

31:21Rog:oh jürgen it's so good to see you i want to talk about the past i want to talk about our present but Clint I asked you three weeks ago on one of our first shows together I said to you who was your favorite U.S. manager ever and you didn't hesitate to answer I mean I'm not a complicated person you believe in me I'm gonna believe in you so uh in all honesty though to have a manager who's played at the top level and has been one of the best players in the world to believe in you and to give you the honor of making me captain and forcing me to dig deeper uh as a teammate to do more I always will be grateful so thank you

32:07Rog:Jürgen how did you remember Clint because you made him captain if you can tell us one story one anecdote that kind of captures the essence of Clint Dempsey what would it be I mean it's just his

32:21Jurgen Klinsmann:natural ability to decide games pretty much on his own and I don't think that we had so many players in the United States you know they can do that so so easily I mean there was a game 100th anniversary of US soccer we played Germany in Washington DC and we beat Germany 4-3 and he pretty much he pretty much destroyed them by himself and and I remember Yogi Loev coming over was who was my former assistant coach a German, you know, he said, who's that guy? Who's that guy? I said, that's my hero, you know, we have one too, and no, he made it look all so easy with his capabilities, his natural instinct for finishing things off up there, and also, obviously, that's why he became also captain, was his honesty and being straightforward and telling you also things that you maybe not expect to hear as a manager, because, you know, asking your opinion is also maybe something that is controversial, it's different, maybe you have a different opinion on whatever it is.

33:25Jurgen Klinsmann:And he was always straight and that was very enjoyable. Was he like a chest-thumping captain or was he like a leading by example captain? I think both. Both, I mean, you could have talks real quick about the issue or, you know, he was out there and screening if everything is all right. And in a national team environment, especially if you go into a World Cup or then we had 2016, the Copa America, is keeping the group in a balance. You know, you're together two months, four weeks preparation, four weeks the tournament, if you stay until the end of the tournament. And it's all about chemistry and being respectful and figuring ways out to keep everybody in a good mood.

34:09Jurgen Klinsmann:And not only the players or the coaches, it's an administrative department, a medical department, a media department. I mean, you deal about, as a head coach, you have about 60, 70, 80 people to deal with and make them all happy. And so you need a captain that smells things. You need a captain that smells the street, you know, in terms of, oh, there's something going the wrong direction, you know. And he gives you then that input real quick and say, watch out here, watch out there, because we want to go far in the tournament.

34:40Rog:And you did go far in our hearts in 2014. That is still the World Cup that made so many fans who knew nothing about football fall in love with both this team, these players, this game. At the end of it, I mean, it was an agony, but it did feel that everything was possible. The football was collective. The fight was there. The fans were there. Even the English press, we were laughing about it, who, let's just say, when they can be, they don't need much of an invitation to be dismissive. Henry Winter wrote the following. He wrote, the American fans chanting, I believe that we will win, simply reflect the inexorable rise of the sport in their country.

35:31Rog:They are now a respected force in the global game. When I read that, I found it three weeks ago. It made me tear up. That was a moment. We feel like we're in a very different place. But did it feel like that to you, Jürgen, in 2014, that that US rise was unstoppable?

35:50Jurgen Klinsmann:Yeah, I think we felt like it. Because the crucial thing is how to get a team that does really well in a group stage and beats big nations. We almost beat, obviously, in the second game, Portugal with Ronaldo. and we sent him home and Ghana. But the key is there, how can this team believe in itself that what you do in a group stage, you're going to do also in a knockout phase. So there are two tournaments you're playing. The one tournament is the group stage. The next tournament you start is round of 16. And we all know from our Mexican neighbors when they dream about the Quinto Partido, that it is difficult because it's a mental side of it.

36:34Jurgen Klinsmann:And that's where you hope then that we can get this nation kind of over the hump to say, you know what, we deal with the knockout phase the same way as we do in the group stage and get to a quarter, to a semifinal. So what changes? Because the US is pretty good at getting out of the groups. We've already established in 2026 they are getting out of the group. The maths is good. I think that team started to actually understand that and believed in it. And then two years later, we went to the final four in the Copa America. You know, we beat Paraguay, we beat Ecuador, and then we got a lesson, obviously, from Messi, from Argentina in the semifinal.

37:11Jurgen Klinsmann:But I think it shows you that, yes, you can do it. Absolutely you can do it. But you need to be able to suffer a lot, to go through pain. You know, the fourth, the fifth game in a tournament is brutal. You might have to go through extra time, which we did with Belgium then. And so that's a learning curve. and I think we went through that learning curve and I hope that the current team is capable to understand that mechanism and Mauricio will guide them this way to feel really strong enough inside to be ready to suffer.

37:49Rog:I always think that US soccer should ban Mick Jagger from entering the changing room after you get out of the group stage. Whenever we get to the group stage, we don't know if we're going to get out the group stage we get out the group stage and then they all drink beers and then bill clinton comes in with reggie bush and mick jagger and i'm always like not jagger um and it's like it's almost as if like what's it like for you it's almost like something flicks in your head like oh my god the whole nation is now looking at us and that next game and whereas you hear jürgen say the group stage is one thing that's your focus you get out but then knockout football I mean you've taught before it's like you're hungry but by the time you're in the knockout round you feel I mean how do you describe it that you're full how is it as a player that changed for you I mean you're in one sense you're excited about getting out of the group but the job's not done it's not like we're all thinking all right we got out of the group now it doesn't matter what happens everybody still wants to win those next games and to be fair the two that I was a part of in 2010 and 2014, we took those games to extra time.

38:57So it wasn't like we didn't fight to the very end. So at the end of the day, we just came up short. We didn't have enough in the tank in those two tournaments. But it was, you know how it is. It's just little things that make the difference. And we just didn't have what it took.

39:14Rog:So why can't we, Jürgen? You see Iceland have their journey. You see Wales have their tournament journey. You see Morocco go to a World Cup semi-final with just dizzying collective play. Why never us? What's stopping us?

39:32Jurgen Klinsmann:There's nothing that can stop you if you deeply believe in it because you have the quality, you have the talent. It's down to that group of players with their coaches and with their environment to dig it all out, to make it happen. There's nothing that can stop you if you're 100 % or 1 ,000 % convinced of it. Jürgen, in 2006, when you were in charge of Germany, that campaign, obviously Germany ended up not winning the World Cup, but it was really important for Germany as a country to see the flag flying again, to see that kind of first vision of modern Germany. And it always feels like in the US there's pressure on the coach not only to win games, but to spread the word of soccer.

40:15how much harder does that make that job?

40:19Jurgen Klinsmann:It doesn't make it any harder. It's actually a pleasure. It's an honor. It's something that you're proud to try and to give your best. I think the atmosphere in Brazil in 2014, I think we had the second most fans of all countries in the World Cup. Why are you Americans?

40:38Rog:After the Hoos country. After the Hoos country. Two back-to-back World Cup from the US.

40:43Jurgen Klinsmann:Huge, huge togetherness with the fans. And we were super proud of representing that movement and getting far and playing exciting football. And in Germany, it came to a different time. It came to a moment where the country was looking for getting more and more reunited, you know, to represent, you know, a movement that happened in Germany after reunification. It was the first time that the country was allowed to host a big tournament again. And we were just thrilled that the people had the strength actually to show the German flag again and hanging it up in their cars or out of their windows. Because for us Germans, because of our history, obviously, you know, we were always timid about that stuff.

41:27Jurgen Klinsmann:But the team played good football. The country, the fans embraced that team. And we made it to the third place at the end of the day. but football can make those movements happen it's it's fantastic it's it's it's something that is going so deep and when you feel that together with the the people that live it and love it you know like we felt it in brazil we felt super proud i mean he got a call from obama then you know and and say hey guys was unfortunately we go home but it was fantastic you know tim out had the game of his life against belgium and and so we felt good and then we went in the final four for Copa America.

42:06Jurgen Klinsmann:So we thought everything is on the right track.

42:12Rog:So let's talk about this. I mean, Mauricio Pochettino right now has been very clear that he's still trying to do something that you had to do. He said publicly, you know, he's shocked by the way the Argentinian players will fight to wear their nation shirt, will, you know, batter their opponents, they'll batter each other to be able to represent Argentina. And he's still trying to work out how how Americans, you know, think about it, that they'll pick and choose when to play. How hard is it as an outsider to understand the American mentality, Jürgen?

42:46Jurgen Klinsmann:It's learning by doing. I think all of us come from different backgrounds and look at things differently. And when I came here 27 years ago, I live now in L.A., I ask my wife, obviously, question after question. I ask friends, you know, how does this work? How does that work? I ask the players all the time, you know, what is right, what is wrong, you know? Pulisic wanted to go to his prom and I didn't know what a prom was. So I had to ask the guys, is that okay if the kid goes to a high school dance? And I called my wife, you know, and asked her, you know, and asked her, you know, the kid came to me, you know, and he wants to go to a high school prom.

43:25Jurgen Klinsmann:What am I doing? And she said, you got to go let him go. And so I had to learn a lot and I hope I did. But I mean, it's football is about being tolerant to everyone involved in it. And I think that is one of the biggest challenge for American soccer here is to accept all the different ways of looking at things and dealing with things. And you have a mixture of guys in your team, you know, with different backgrounds. Some have South American, Mexican background, some European American background, some Texans, you know. That's right. And Californians. And you learn about every one of them. You learn, okay, they're different.

44:07Jurgen Klinsmann:They're coming from different spots, like we all are. And I love that. I mean, I embrace that. And these six years I was guiding these guys was a huge honor. I mean, I learned so much from them. But at the end of the day, it's a player's game. It's not a coach's game. It's a player's game. And they decide on the field how far they want to take it. I mean, you can do a substitution, you can do a halftime talk, you can do a couple of things as a coach, but it's like this, minimal. It's them on the field, they make the decisions. That's the beauty of soccer is that the decisions are made by the players and then you're just there like a fan and you just hope they're taking the right decisions.

44:53Jurgen Klinsmann:Like he, after a couple of minutes against Ghana, scores a goal and we're all freaked out. you know and so and i think often we forget that and and it's especially after you know for the you know he has his own kids playing the game and it's when you want to teach the kids you know it's it's not teachable soccer it's something they teach themselves you are there to make give them a safe environment and and hope that they have fun but they're going to progress them by themselves so this is always a discussion i had to do with a lot of people here in this country is that it's a player's game. They make it possible.

45:29Rog:Do you agree? I mean, how much can a coach do, Clint? How much is it the players? Well, I think it's important to select the right players, to create the right environment, to have a culture where, I say it all the time, that through training, you figure out what that starting 11 is going to be, that it's not just guaranteed. People feel like there's spots up for grabs and you can fight for that. And then, yeah, allowing you to go do your thing. give players the freedom to go express themselves and you know our time together I felt like we were pretty successful as York's preeminent under sevens coach I'm gonna I'm gonna take the idea that it's a players game and just do no work at all next season just like yeah this is up to you guys nothing to do with me you didn't the US have got the players there is no shortage of talent and that's that's the legacy of your team that you know these these guys in that team who are 2021 they will have grown i don't want to make you feel old but they will have grown up watching you they will have been inspired we were talking about our first world cup memories mine's 1990 yours is 1986 which is odd because i'm pretty sure you're younger than me i was born 83 but i was watching vhs tapes the um vh vhs took a while to get to england okay the um the So they suited electricity.

46:48And ice cubes. We still don't have aircon. But their first memories will be from 2010 and 2014. You inspired that. There is no shortage of talent in Pochettino's US team. Is there?

47:06Jurgen Klinsmann:Absolutely not, no. Look at where they're playing. They're playing for Juventus Turin. They're playing for Macy Milan. They're playing all over Europe. and this was always the dream that our players are good enough for the top leagues in Europe and now they are over there and now he wants them to come back and grab the things here for their national team and take it to another level. This is what you always hoped for and I think the potential is absolutely there.

47:35Rog:I've got to ask you this, Jürgen. Pochettino's relationship with Pulisic, it does right now it feels like it's make or break for this cycle does it remind you at all of the complex relationship you had with landon donovan do you see an echo in the two things

47:52Jurgen Klinsmann:no i never had a problem with landon until i told him that he's not going to brazil but but um it was a purely it was a purely footballing decision because we felt all the coaches that his time was kind of over and more talent was there and the better players were going to Brazil. So it was purely out of technical reasons and nothing else. The relationship with players for managers is crucial. I mean, there's no doubt that Maurizio and Christian need to stick really tight together and go through issues and talk it out, having a couple of beers or or whatever it takes. It is the relationship for getting a team far in a tournament between the coaching staff and the players needs to work.

48:40Jurgen Klinsmann:There's no doubt about it. They need to be comfortable. They need to believe in what we all are doing. They need to have an open word also, saying their own things. But Mojica is so experienced. Excuse me. He coached big teams, so he knows all that. He took Spurs to a Champions League final. We almost made it. and I think they work it out they're going to work it out

49:06Rog:you know Christian's big mistake was not to use the prom excuse for this goal cup it would have been slightly weird if he said Mauricio I need to go to the prom so don't listen to me but if you had one piece of advice for Pochettino you've run this team you've run them through a world cup cycle you've worked with America's finest you've you know met the challenges you've overcome them you've gone on your journey if you had one piece of advice for him what would it be he doesn't need any piece of advice from

49:39Jurgen Klinsmann:other coaches he coached already on the top level he knows how to deal with the players he knows how to to kind of deal with different characters and you you have a squad of 26 players going to a world cup he knows how to handle them you know so people management is the majority of the work for a manager of today. The rest is all done on the field, the technical approach, the physical pieces to it, but the relationship with your players needs to be good. I'm sure that he has done that in the past and he will do it also here. But we do talk a lot, not just in the States, about maybe younger players now not doing what you talked about Clint doing.

50:20It does seem that kids who've come through academies don't take games by the scruff of the neck quite as much as they used to so does that make it more complicated

50:30Jurgen Klinsmann:well you're a child of your environment you know whatever your environment is your family your friends your place where you live your city you're you're a child of that in place you know and he he became the player that he is because he grew up in a certain way um and had this this this uh fight mentality in him. And so the neighborhood we grow up, you know, will define our future and the coaches understand that, you know, that the coaches dig into that. They try to understand every player where he's coming from. DeMarcus Beasley is different, you know, than Clint or Michael Bradley or German Jones who came from a very, very tough neighborhood in Frankfurt and grew up there and fought his way through like hell, basically.

51:16Jurgen Klinsmann:And so you need to realize how they think and how they take things.

51:21Rog:I mean, you spent the summer with me just shouting at the television, saying, somebody step up, grab the game by the scruff of the neck. So how do you understand that, Clint? What do you mean? I mean, you've watched this team. You just wanted someone to step up, take people on, show them, just go at it. Yeah, I mean, there were moments where you saw that, whether it's Tillman, whether it's Diego Luna, Chris Richards, also chipping in with goals, even though he was a center back, but doing a great job back there. I think it's just doing it more consistently, right? Doing it week in and week out, and that's what we'd like to see from more players.

51:57But, yeah, like you said, you're a product of your environment, and the fight that you go through in your life is kind of what makes you and drives you forward. Like, you have to figure out what is your why, what is your motivation for doing this, and how far do you want to take it? Do you get, you know, full from just one victory or one accomplishment? Or do you keep setting the bar higher and higher? And you have to be someone who keeps setting higher and higher if you want to do something great.

52:25Rog:Amen to all of you. You just look exhausted.

52:32Rog:Well, I've been playing for PSG in 104 degree heat. We're in the final on Sunday. I'm just still regenerating, but I have no doubt we will have victory. One question I do want to ask you both, Jürgen. Last question for you. If you've got the power to go back in time and have a do-over, the ability to change one decision that you made on that 2014 journey and make it differently, with hindsight, what would you change and why?

53:06Jurgen Klinsmann:no I agree absolutely with Clint we took it to the extreme and came short that was all right I wish we would have gone further but we accepted it the only thing that I would change is would be Josie didn't get hurt in that first game he was able to be the number nine and I was able to play underneath him in a more natural position I think we would have been a little bit more

53:28Rog:effective that would be it was just the josie issue you play number nine you hate playing number nine well i'm just not your typical number nine i'm not someone who wants to play with their back to goal i like to be on the half turn and linking up with people driving with the ball giving goals off of a josie obafem and martins or players like that and and create for myself in that way i'm not someone who wants to sit up there and hold the ball up and and and let other people come into play. I like to be the person that's in the pockets. That's just, that's what I felt most comfortable in that position.

54:01Absolutely, yeah.

54:03Jurgen Klinsmann:We thought, you know, Josie did all the preparation, he was top fit, you know, finally shook off all these extra pounds here and there. And that, you know, he's unbeatable, you know, he's unbeatable. And then he goes down, you know, for muscle injury. But things happen.

54:19Rog:There is nothing that you would like retrospect, not a substitution, not a change. No, it is then what it is.

54:24Jurgen Klinsmann:You've got to deal with it and you make the best out of it and you adjust it. And so, Glyn cannot play his favourite, favourite role then. So, maybe out of the 100%, you know, he gets in a different position and he's 98 % there, comfortable, kind of, in his own way. But he's still scored our goals.

54:42Rog:Can I ask you, how often do you guys have memories, if at all, of two... Will you be... Will you be fishing on the Nacogdoches River and just the ball floating towards you and manawas will come to you and you'll think about it will you will you be like up in the helicopter and you'll think of the ball dropping spinning wando is steaming in you're like oh my god we're gonna do it like that do these memories come to you do you live with any of this as so many people in this room do or is it just a chapter that is closed for you both i mean for me it's when kids ask me questions and you kind of go back in time to those moments and kind of relive them or they show you something on YouTube and you kind of describe what was going on at the time but for me unless it's something brings it up it's kind of stored in the vault and waiting to talk about when when asked upon but I'm not sitting there mowing the yard or in a deer stand thinking about you know what I'm saying the header I scored against Ecuador in the the quarterfinals of Copa America you mean you're Not like in a store and like pushing your trolley around and saying to people, do you want to talk about the 2010 World Cup?

55:58No, I don't have it too hard.

56:01Rog:Jürgen, what about for you? Do your footballing memories come back to you? Have you drawn a line and you're just living life in the present and the future?

56:10Jurgen Klinsmann:No, I think the memories come back when you talk to people and they share those memories that they had when they maybe saw you play or coached and afterwards. and when they no matter if i travel to like i coach now south korea i went to asia or in the company i travel to south america and they say you know in argentina oh we saw you in 1990 and you did this this this to us you know and we didn't win you guys won and that's not fair and so you share these memories with the people that lived through those moments then it comes back but normally i'm not living in the past i will say to you guys both of you

56:47Rog:raise a beer taboo for you and close with the toast i think there's a lot of human beings in this room who do think about that ball dropping in that opening ghana game ghana again they always do us and clint dempsey within seconds reeling away and wonder i don't know what went to you i love when you say everyone was freaking out you've said it twice and i just love it what when he scored what did that feel like for you after years of working on this thing by the way well i think

57:15Jurgen Klinsmann:that's the joy of I mean for us fans for you know as coaches on the sideline because we are not on the field and they make those moments happen that you just inside of you just explode and it's yes you know because I think the joy is far more far more deeper than when when somebody else does it than maybe when you score yourself years before that you know because because you're working so hard you want to give them hopefully the right whatever information or the right feeling for make things happen but it's it's them making it happen you know so when when these moments come and it really happens it's just fantastic is it joy or relief it's joy pure joy yeah and then you share that with the other coaches on the bench with the physiotherapist with the equipment manager you know and i had a moment like that we we coached germany in 2006 and the third group stage game was against Poland in Dortmund, 80 ,000, and it was nil-nil and nil-nil and nil-nil.

58:15Jurgen Klinsmann:And I just pushed him forward. He's like, you've got to score this goal. We're going to qualify early. And then I made two substitutions, and it happened that these two guys, they're connected. And in the 94th minute, Oliver Neville scores the goal, 1-0 against Poland. He brought in a kid, 20 years old, Odonko from Dortmund, and he ran down the line. He was the fastest on the field. He almost ran out of the stadium because he was so fast. And then it happened and the whole stadium, like it was in that moment with Ghana, exploded. And we saw the images afterwards, you know, the television images, how we celebrated on the bench.

58:55Jurgen Klinsmann:We always thought, are you actually out of your mind? You know, how you screamed around and freaked out and all that stuff. But I think this is the joy of this game because you share it. You share it together with everyone. The one that is sitting in front of the TV and screaming at the TV? Or are you on the side? I agree with Juergen. I mean, if you're not celebrating like that, you ain't passionate enough about it. There has to be something that it's an emotion that you can't control, right? You feel like you can run through a brick wall. That's what I loved about soccer more than any other sport, the feeling you got when you scored a goal.

59:30And especially to do it for your country in big moments, there's no greater feeling. And if you're not getting excited, you know, yelling at the top of your lungs, bringing yourself to tears, then you're just not invested enough in it.

59:43Rog:So let's close it out. What did that moment feel like for you? Because I once interviewed Diego Fulad and he said, screwing a goal in a World Cup is like an orgasm, but better. I mean, I wouldn't say all that. I would say for me, for me, it's like running through a brick wall. For me, it was pay. It was payback. The coach for believing in me of being captain. for me it was setting the tone in the World Cup as the captain and anytime that you could represent your country and get the country believing that you could do something special, that's what I dreamed about as a kid so for me it was just living a dream

1:00:23Rog:I just want to close in the two you're both remarkable gentlemen in your own way, you're also symbols I think for all of us of a really nostalgic time now for all who love the game in america time when we had the fight we dream of the collective spirit the mass fan base who traveled and shared in the spirit really a spirit of togetherness um so i want to raise that to unity to fight to belief to resummoning it because when we have that sense of togetherness everything is possible especially american glory new york City please be up standing for the incredible Clint MC, the quite magical Jürgen Klinsworth.

1:01:34Thank you.

1:01:59Rog:and play for the United States of America. I want to help America win the World Cup, apparently. I don't know why. I think we can get you in the 2030 team who are going to defend the title. That did not go down very well. I'm going to say that again. The 2030 team who are going to defend the title. Let's be deluded together, America. Raw, that is it. We cannot wait for the final that lies ahead. Your New York tour is coming to an end. We're going to go and get some Joe's pizza endorsed by Jack Grealish, so it must be good. What's been your favourite memory of the New York experience, Rob? If I'm completely honest, it's the food, I think.

1:02:41But it's just been incredible to see the vibe around. And the Club World Cup is the first one. It was always going to be kind of a... It's a beta test, isn't it? It's a beta test. That's what's happening here, is that there's a tournament idea that is being worked out. But you see what it's become in the last week or two. and you think when you look forward to what 2026 will be like it'll be incredible and i think as part of my pitch for mayor of new york next summer will with with any luck be my fifth world cup my fifth men's world cup seventh or eighth in total and the thing you need with the world cup is a heart a world cup has to have a heart in in rio it was copacabana that's where the fans went onto Copacabana.

1:03:22In Moscow, in a different time, it was Nikolskaya in the middle of Moscow, and you saw the Colombians come through and the Ecuadorians, and things changed, the colors changed. And in Doha, I wrote this in my newsletter, there was a giant thumb that they put in the souk, and it was just a big golden statue of a thumb. Qatar can do what it wants. If they want a golden thumb, they can have a golden thumb. And if you sat there during the day, then you'd see the different groups of fans pass through the colors change the us canada and mexico need somewhere like that next year and it will i think have to be in new york so new york is going to have to deliver this is rog this is really easy i think i could be mayor of new york

1:04:10Rog:and the campaign starts out this whole thing was just a fundraising rally guys I'm going to solicit you on the way out. Donations are all tax deductible. Which brings us to an end. We're going to come down and have a beer with you. I want to thank you for having us in your loving arms tonight. I want to thank Michelob Ultra for making the superior beer. And this house made out of one 95-calorie beer at a time. Roar, I want to thank you, you beautiful human being. I've loved every second in your company. New York City, let's always revel. in every second watching football together in each other's company.

1:04:49Rog:Big love, courage. Thank you.