2646: Ten Signs You May Benefit From Hormone Therapy & More (Listener Live Coaching)

16:12Adam Schafer:They, before they were on it, they'd be like, I just, I wake up, I feel like I got hit by a car. I don't understand. Every joint is achy. Yeah. Like I suddenly have stiffness and achiness, uh, in my body that I didn't have before. I'm stretching, I'm exercising. I just don't get it. I just don't feel, I just feel stiff and achy. Thyroid, testosterone, estrogen, progesterone, growth hormone, all of those will play a role in all the things that we're talking about, including aches and pains. Dry skin or brittle nails is another one. That could also be a nutrient deficiency. But if your nutrients are good, what is going on?

16:51Adam Schafer:Again, that's what people will typically say. Low libido and vaginal dryness is another one. I think those are more common. Those are way more common. Yeah, those are commonly understood. I think in men in particular, low testosterone, one of the first things that, by the way, you don't have to get low libido.

17:06Justin Andrews:These are the first red flags.

17:07Adam Schafer:So this didn't happen to me. You were an example of this. This didn't happen to me.

17:09Sal Di Stefano:I remember when I first was asking you back then, you're like, no, no, I'm fine. My libido is fine. So you think that it's going to be that way, but you're an example of somebody who had low testosterone.

17:18Adam Schafer:I had all these other symptoms, but I did not have low libido. and then just so people know, when I got tested, my total testosterone was under 230, which was like in the floor. And yet I still had a libido because libido is driven by a lot of different things. But most men in particular, when their testosterone starts to drop, they just don't have the drive. They just don't have the drive anymore. And then finally mood changes. Now again, this is out of ordinary mood changes. And also let me just warn people, I wouldn't use this as a way to talk to your partner. Yeah, recognize it. Probably won't work very well.

17:57Adam Schafer:Yeah. Hey, I think you need some hormone replacement therapy.

18:00Sal Di Stefano:But let me tell you, when hormones are off, one of the craziest things I ever felt when I went through that phase of coming off and then trying to go natural and feeling my hormones fluctuate, really total mood changes. Emotional, find myself almost ready to cry on a commercial I would never cry over. and upset. I mean, I could really feel the difference of that. So I think this one is too a little also more common too. It's like you will feel a difference hormonally when they're out of whack. I mean, you can feel that.

18:35Adam Schafer:Totally. And just a personal anecdote. So my wife now, she's now on hormone replacement therapy and it has been a total game changer. Now, she had some of these symptoms. her sleep was not good for a while. But then of course we had kids. So we thought, oh, it's the kids. But then the kids are sleeping well. She's still not getting good sleep. Energy was just not great. So that was a big one. The brain fog was worse. But then as the kids got a little older, got a little better, but it wasn't back to how she was before. So that wasn't a big one. Here's the big one. Physical aches and pains. A, energy and physical aches and pains.

19:17Adam Schafer:My poor wife seemed to have a problem all the time. And I felt so bad for her. She would tell me that, like, there's something always wrong with me. It's either my back or my jaw or my neck. She's like, I don't understand what's going on. We would look at her exercise technique, her form, massage, chiropractor would help. Just couldn't figure it out. She just recently, she's doing the, like, because here's the deal with women in hormone replacement therapy versus men. men often can get away with just doing testosterone oftentimes women need to go on a multi-faceted approach so it's typically not just one hormone for women it typically looks like some progesterone some testosterone and some thyroid whereas men oftentimes it's like we'll just go on testosterone and everything else seems to be okay so she did the you know the the progesterone thyroid a little bit of testosterone the last thing we added was a thyroid and it was like boom instantly instantly different now she communicating that oh yeah she's like wow she's like this is crazy i feel way different way better she used to get up in the morning it would take her an hour just to get moving and now she gets up and she's like got energy uh just feels so much better um and this is just early stages as far as the aesthetic changes that takes months so she's like i'm excited to see what happens and how my body responds wow but it's it's again it's really, really wild.

20:43Adam Schafer:And, you know, talking, I was talking to, uh, Dr. Lauren, Dr. Lauren Fitz, uh, who I absolutely love. Um, she's the one that's helping Jessica right now with all of this. I asked her, I said, do you think, cause I've made this statement on the podcast, but I'm like, let me ask her, do you think a lot of women are given prescription and, uh, antidepressants and enziolytics when all they really need is hormone replacement therapy? And she's like, yes, absolutely 100 which is crazy which is wild when you think about it well okay so

21:17Sal Di Stefano:how how much are the doctors incentivized to go that direction versus the other direction

21:21Adam Schafer:well the problem with the hormone unless you're a hormone specialist uh and you have to be a bit forward thinking is they have these ranges yeah i know and they don't base it off of symptoms they look at the ranges that's it right and so a good hormone specialist looks at both symptoms and ranges. So that's the problem. The other problem is that what they're trained on is anxiety treatment, depression treatment. And we have pharmaceuticals for those things. It's not...

21:50Justin Andrews:It can get you to feel a bit better by just alleviating some of the psychological stress.

21:55Adam Schafer:That's right. Plus hormones. Here's my little conspiracy part of me. Hormones are generic. Progesterone, testosterone, thyroid, sheep. That was my point.

22:05Sal Di Stefano:Is there a monetary reason why they tend to go that way because i know that pharmaceuticals are far more expensive than than hormones are

22:12Adam Schafer:they are and so yeah so you have uh i mean when you balance out your hormones the side effects are what improve quality of life better health uh you know ssris you know we talked about libido have you seen the data on ssris and what they do to libido it kills it oh yeah crushes it and anxiolytics can be very addicting and coming off them can cause really bad uh and again if you're on either one of those or both, don't just drop them and go on hormone replacement therapy. You got to work with a doctor to, to figure this out because it could be scary to just come off things like that. Uh, but yeah, I think that's just how they're trained.

22:47Adam Schafer:So unless you go to like a forward thinking hormone replacement therapy clinic, what you're going to get is, oh, you're within range. So, you know, it's, you know, maybe it's something else or whatever. This will help you deal with it. Yeah. For example, if you're a man and your testosterone, your total testosterone is 350, which is on the low end, you're not going to, your general practitioner is not going to recommend testosterone replacement therapy. Even if you have all the symptoms, you go to a hormone therapy clinic and you talk to a doctor there and they see you at 350. Plus you have a lot of these symptoms.

23:24Adam Schafer:Like we're going to put you on testosterone, you know, so long as you're okay with it we'll put you on and let's see how you feel that's how they approach it well the reason

23:32Sal Di Stefano:why so so the audience knows like why that's so absurd to me is that the range is 400 to like

23:40Adam Schafer:1100 no it's 300 typically to 1100 typically is what the what the general practitioner range

23:45Sal Di Stefano:i thought it was 300 to 1100 yeah 400 to 400 to 11 you say it's 300 yeah usually um okay so it's 300, 1 ,100, so even wider range, to my point. So you have somebody who, let's say, all of their teenage years, all of their 20s, even their early 30s, cruised around 950, not even the top, not even 1 ,100, 950, which is healthy. It's like Doug, right? Cruising around at 950 most of their life. All of a sudden, they get to their late 30s or early 40s, and 950 goes down to 400. That's half.

24:17Adam Schafer:Yeah. That's half. You're going to feel like crap.

24:20Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. So to think that, okay, you're not in these ranges where we're very concerned, where you get below 300. Because if you were below 300, even the general practitioner goes, hey, we probably need to get some testosterone. But if you're just hovering around the bottom and you're not through the floor, oh, you're fine. When it's like, man, all the things that you're talking about symptoms-wise, you're for sure going to fill those if you go from 900 to 400. And most of your adult life, you've felt 900. And so it's so interesting to me that they don't consider that even at the general practitioner level.

24:52Adam Schafer:They don't. But remember, hormones in particular, testosterone is a performance enhancing drug also. So that caused all of this to go sideways because if you're an athlete and you go on big doses of testosterone, way outside the range, you're going to get stronger, faster, all that stuff. So once it got branded that way, it put everything 10 steps behind. So that's number one. Then there's all the risks associated with taking those doses, not replacement doses.

25:24Justin Andrews:Yeah, not replacement doses.

25:25Adam Schafer:The data on replacement doses is amazing. If you go from suboptimal to optimal, you have an improvement in quality of life. You're healthier.

25:34Sal Di Stefano:Any idea when the first clinic was introduced? When was the first hormone replacement therapy clinic? Oh, gosh, I don't know. A while now, right? At least a couple decades. Yeah. So you have over a couple decades of probably tens of thousands of patients of data that we have access to. So it's weird to me that that is still something that is touted, is that it's this performance enhancing, oh, that's dangerous, it could be pro-cancerous, all the alarmist things that are said about it. Why are we not coming forward with more data? And you don't have to bring people's personal information. You can just use them as a patient one, patient two data of showing people.

26:15Sal Di Stefano:When is this? 1900s.

26:16Adam Schafer:Well, that's not. Yeah, but that's not the way we're talking about it. I see what they're talking about, though. Yeah, they were messing with hormones back then. I mean, we know that in World War II, the Nazis were using testosterone and stuff, too. But, yeah, no, not the way we're talking. You know, here's the other thing that is true, that is very true, okay? the average 20 something i can't remember the exact uh number but the average 20 something year old male today has the testosterone of the average 60 year old in the 1980s okay that's right now we've been monitoring for decades now general testosterone levels in men decline yeah every decade we don't know why there's a lot of speculation xenoestrogens uh which are you know chemicals that we're getting exposed to toxins, lack of activities, probably playing a role, but probably not the whole role.

27:12Adam Schafer:We're also seeing hormone changes in women. It's probably environmental. We don't know for sure, but in men in particular, this is happening. Everybody, this is well-documented. This isn't just like a new thing. We've been documenting this for decades. So when people say, well, my grandfather didn't need testosterone replacement therapy.

27:32Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

27:33Adam Schafer:your grandfathers probably didn't need it because things were different back then. And now we're finding this is happening at younger and younger ages. I know there's not like a,

27:41Sal Di Stefano:I know there's not a silver bullet, right. Or, but you've got to think that a majority of that has to do with just the, the lack of physical activity that men do. It's got to be a part of it. Has to be a big part of it. Sure. Like, I mean that, that if you were to, of all the things like that, probably that most men have in common today versus men back then it's it's got to be the

28:04Adam Schafer:the physical i mean there's there's a few theories i heard that are most interesting xenoestrogens play a role we we know that we don't know how big of a role uh uh life is less competitive in the ways that it used to be that tends to lower testosterone so when men are in more physical threat you know more stuff testosterone levels tend to go up birth control got introduced, which changed women's mating habits. So when women go on birth control, they tend to go towards men who have exhibit signs of lower testosterone. Did that play a role? Is it birth control in the water? Some of it comes out when you pee.

28:41Adam Schafer:But we do know what's going down. I mean, it's been documented for a while. Fertility is going down too. We've known that for a while. But again, there's a stigma around hormone replacement therapy. and I'm going to say this straight up. If you're a candidate for this, especially if you're somebody who takes your health seriously, you exercise regularly, you eat right, this is a game changer. Absolute game changer, and it's not expensive. Hormone replacement therapy is not expensive. Peptides can be expensive. Testosterone, progesterone, thyroid, it's pretty inexpensive to go on those types of things to notice a radical difference.

29:19Adam Schafer:so anyway i want to hear about your experience at the racetrack bro i heard you talking about this

29:26Sal Di Stefano:so what fighter jet and now the racetrack so what was the deal you guys were invited just so you

29:32Justin Andrews:know yeah but yeah it was it was epic man it was like again one of those kind of experiences kind of like going to the thunderbirds and um just we showed up and um we got to really get like like inside access and they brought us in to the team and they brought us into the trailer. And we did the whole like morning meeting and introduced me and like how he's been listening to us and all this benefit that he's gotten from the show. What racetrack is that? This is at Sonoma Raceway. Okay. And it was a NASCAR event. It was like their cup series. And so I was there and the, the crew chief, Travis, reached out, and he's a big fan of the show.

30:17Justin Andrews:And I thought it was just him, you know, because it's like he was very, he's the one that reached out, and he's the one that's been communicating with me and, like, kind of had taken me around and showing me everything. And then I get in there, and everybody was just so nice introducing themselves, and I started to kind of realize that I think a lot of them really listen to the show. And then later on, come to find out that John the Driver, I think he's been a listener and he's I gotta say what really impressed me was just the fact that he took time out even to show my kids the car and take them on the track and

30:54Sal Di Stefano:right before he's in a race he's about to go race and he was doing that that was so cool

31:00Justin Andrews:it was surreal I grew up my dad was a big NASCAR fan and um i've never been to a race yeah i i've i've never been to a race like from that access like i've never seen it like that i've always seen it like way in the nosebleeds and like you know uh out there and and so i got to go into the garage and in the pits and saw and he got to explain a lot about the pit crew which i was really interested in because like you know the physicality the timing the the attention to detail the focus like it's insane uh and realizing too He's like, I hire a lot of like ex pro football players because you need to be a huge physical guy, especially for somebody on the jack, because it's like you don't have like a jack where you just, you know, tug it a bunch of times.

31:51Justin Andrews:And it like you get like one like huge torquing, like you got to lift the car up really quick and pop it up. And then the other position is like when the guy's fueling it because it moves and it's this huge amount of fuel that they have to get into the car. uh and so like really physical job and and and extremely stressful and watching them at work

32:12Adam Schafer:was just like freaking magic show were you close to them doing it like yeah it was like in like on

32:16Justin Andrews:the track like watching them do all this stuff and and um you know and just the cars are are just so freaking loud and awesome and like dude it just the kids were just like their eyes were this big just walking around like, oh, my God, I can't believe we're doing this. How fast are those cars? How much horsepower are those things going?

32:38Sal Di Stefano:180, I think 180, 200 miles an hour. Yeah, unwinding.

32:42Justin Andrews:And so this was a different one. It wasn't the circular track. It was, yeah, this full like S turns and everything. We went there for trying to drive the exotic cars that one time. But, yeah, same track. But to watch their strategy too, this was another part of it that he was kind of breaking down to me. It was like the pitting strategy is like pretty much like the whole basis of the race. Like them getting that right and like timing it and, you know, understanding when the tires need to, you know, be switched out and the fuel. And like, and you could hit a window and be awesome. You could just miss that window and be fucked in your last place, you know?

33:24Justin Andrews:and so uh it just it was cool because i didn't even like i don't understand a lot of what goes into uh these races and uh to see it from that ground floor was just i can't even really like

33:39Sal Di Stefano:describe how awesome it was it's so cool that you got to do that and it was just like how many weeks ago was it when i shared you guys that video that i was like all fascinated with the pit the pit times yeah yeah i was like i was just geeking out on that i was like dude you know how crazy the evolution of the pit time i know and they're down to like i think a second one just barely over a second that's like crazy that they can get those guys in and out that time as well and uh so i got i would love to see that like up close i mean up close would totally been so cool

34:09Justin Andrews:to see that it was masterful you know to watch them do their thing and uh then you'd see like there's real like conflict and intensity and like uh a car pulled in and i think i didn't really see what happened but there was like a competing two cars coming at the same time right next to each other and and for some reason i think one of the cars went too far forward or whatever and then the both pit crews just got all excited and start fighting and like physically fighting each other and they're pulling each other off well think about that wait a minute they were fighting

34:42Sal Di Stefano:think about it for a second if you if a car comes in like that if they have got this thing down to I think one and a half seconds or two seconds, say tops to get you in and out the car coming in and being a foot off where it needs to stop or, or whatever throws that. It can be off. Every guy has to take a step to the side that he was prepared. Like that's how like prepared they are to go right there. And if that's off by a foot or two, because somebody, somebody else's pit crew did something like, yeah, you're, you're furious. And especially since so much is on the line for that part of the race.

35:16Sal Di Stefano:it's like i would i would love to see that up close like that so intense so intense to your point too i just i love all sports i love i mean at that level all competitions just get so insane well and that's where you see mastery like at the professional level that close the love that's my favorite part about every sport has that every sport has a a detail about it that you probably don't know really well until someone teaches you or shows you and then to see that mastery of they've been doing this for damn near 100 years or more now like and that they have figured this out like that's cool to watch yeah that's so cool i mean so jealous i missed out oh man i got to meet

35:56Justin Andrews:the legend himself the king uh yeah petty he owned both um he owned their their car and that that that group and that team and then another car that was there um but just i was like you know growing up i i totally watched uh him in the sdp car and so it was like totally nostalgic for me and then to see like the kids actually like really getting into it i'm like i don't know maybe this is a thing for them like it's it really excited them and they were like just glued to it so i don't know how loud are those cars oh bro really loud but but only when they're like full blown like when they just starting up their engines and everything not crazy but when they're like full speed going through and like the best was like when they'd have like a caution flag out and you know somebody's spin out and then everybody's kind of like pacing and getting back into the group and so they have like they're stacked now like in twos and they're all like ready to take off then they all take off together everything just like vibrates and oh my god i took i you know i i was kind of wearing the ear things it was funny because uh i was asking him ahead time do i need to bring like protective ear stuff and all this he's like do you work out with gloves

37:04Sal Di Stefano:did he say that to you i was like oh my god this guy gets it you know i was dying you can't wear

37:11Justin Andrews:him now so yeah i felt like such a pussy what a great what a great meanwhile everybody goes deaf yeah yeah yeah well i told they're loud they're not as bad as monster trucks are monster trucks

37:21Sal Di Stefano:and like indoors it's not like nitro that's like deafening and stuff like that but they're loud

37:25Adam Schafer:i saw it'll get you i saw when i was a kid tractor pulling is that what it's called yeah that is the loud

37:32Sal Di Stefano:that was that's like yeah

37:33Adam Schafer:that and monster trucks I think are some of the loudest especially if it's enclosed I remember I was like 12 and I was so excited as soon as they they hit it man I remember we were like ah

37:43Sal Di Stefano:yeah that's another level I don't know if it's cooler what you got to do or that your boys are at such a cool age to see their dad get like recognized like that by like other professional sports like that's gotta be cool that did hit me I was gonna say That has to be like, I mean, the experience was cool in itself. Don't get me wrong. But then like, cause you know, I know you like, we all know our kids, like we're not cool to our kids. Like you're just not. Maybe I get a little bit of that cause mine's six, you know what I'm saying? So I'm still kind of cool, but, but then he wouldn't even know that part right there.

38:15Sal Di Stefano:So he wouldn't even connect the dots and something like that. So, but they're at that age now where, you know, dad's not that cool, but then to see that and then the get recognized and then people hook you up and all that. I mean, that's just.

38:26Justin Andrews:That bought me a little street cred. Yeah. For sure. So thanks Travis.

38:31Adam Schafer:Speaking of kids, I've got to ask you guys a question. There seems to be a divide with this. I didn't know that people were different about this. When you're eating food, when you have your food in front of you, and your kids want to have some of your food, are you guys okay with it? Is it not a big deal? Is it a big deal? Are you protective? How do you react?

38:49Sal Di Stefano:My son's never done that before.

38:51Adam Schafer:He doesn't want any of your food? He doesn't want to try any of your food?

38:53Sal Di Stefano:Never.

38:54Justin Andrews:I used to have a problem with it, but I started to let them try it.

38:57Sal Di Stefano:yeah i'm always encouraging him to try things i want him to try things in fact i was joking about last night about you know ordering something different because he like he has his things he likes and i know it's important like you do encourage him you always order the same yeah yeah so i was trying to i was trying to get him to do something you know what he did he's like well i'll do a different dessert how about that it's like okay yeah just something close yeah

39:19Justin Andrews:my boys are all competitive now so they're like trying to get all the meat and all the best stuff before I get there. And they've learned, you know, to calm down a bit because I, you know, it's, and I used to have like, you know, some of that from my dad, like convey like, you know, I'm the king of the house. This is what I get. You know, you don't touch this. Like I kind of had a little bit of that for a while. And then I was like, ah, you know, I want them to get bigger and eat more protein. I was like, I'll get more food later. I just kind of calmed down with it. But it used to like.

39:51Adam Schafer:So my wife is funny about this is where this conversation comes up. If my wife gets food for her or a drink and the kids want it, it visibly irritates her. She's like, this is mine. I'll get you your own, but this is mine. No, that's funny. Now, I am so opposite with this, so opposite. When I have food or if I'm eating or drinking anything and my kids want some, I put them on my lap and we eat it together. And it brings me so much joy. Now, part of the reason why, because it goes back to childhood, when I was a kid, this is how my dad was, this is how my grandfather was. some of the times that they were most physically affectionate was when they were feeding us off their plate.

40:28Adam Schafer:So for me, it's like, I love doing it. My wife is very, so yeah, we had friends over and I brought it up and it was divided, you know, like one of them was like, Oh yeah. The other one's like, nobody touched my food. Well,

40:39Sal Di Stefano:and Jessica's defense, I'm a hundred percent like that. Like for sure. Like, so Katrina gets upset about this. Cause I'm like this where if we order something and she goes, Oh, and she hears my order. She's like, Oh, I'd like to get a bite of that. I will order her a whole nother plate of that. And then she gets mad when it comes to like, why did you want that? I said, you wanted a bite. Have a bite. I'll eat the rest of yours. So I always, I don't want my, whatever is it. And that, what that is to me is like, I've decided this is the amount of food that I want to eat. And so anything less. That's gotta be the bodybuilder in you, right?

41:09Sal Di Stefano:I don't even know.

41:10Adam Schafer:50 grams of protein. I don't know.

41:12Sal Di Stefano:I don't know what it is, but I definitely have a thing like that. And I'm like, but seriously, if somebody, if a friend or somebody wants a bite or like, I will buy them the whole meal. So they have it and I have mine. Now, my son's never picked up my plate, so I haven't came across that yet. So it'll be interesting how I went with him because Katrina also thinks that I break all my rules for him. So she's just like, you're so this way with all these things. And then he gets to do whatever he wants.

41:36Justin Andrews:He's my son. Yeah, I know. I call it the daddy tax, but if they do that, I just end up eating off their plate too. So it's kind of back and forth now.

41:45Adam Schafer:what's funny is is it's reflected now back because if they have something that i want they'll give it to me but mom sometimes i'll find it so i'm like that's because i always share with them that's funny yeah but i love it it brings me so much joy i don't know what it is i do i do again it was my

42:00Sal Di Stefano:i have distinct memories of your culture that's what you guys grew up my grandfather used to do

42:05Adam Schafer:that like he would he would hey come sit on my lap and then he would eat with yeah that'd be like katrina katrina's very uh everyone grabbing each other's food off their plate and everyone's

42:13Sal Di Stefano:sharing. Let me try. Oh, you try. I'm like, I'm not like that. I'm like, this is mine. So I connect with Jessica on that. Although I haven't had that. It'd be, it'd be interesting. I'm curious to how I will respond in the moment. I see myself not caring with my son. I do. I, I am a way more flexible with him about stuff like that because I'm, I'm mindful of the things that you're saying that you love and sharing. And I don't want to kill that moment for him. And like, I also want him to try different things, especially if it's a food he hasn't. So, because that's something that I'm trying to get better about right now is we can be a bit like same food.

42:46Sal Di Stefano:We rotate through the same things about every 7 to 14 days. And so it's like, so then when I try and get him to do something, he's like, no, I don't want that. I want you on a stick. That's a great point.

42:56Adam Schafer:I bet you fitness households do that where we have the same rotation. For sure.

43:01Sal Di Stefano:I would think so because you know the macros in it. You know it's all that you've trained yourself. These are the three meats we eat.

43:06Adam Schafer:These are the forms of starch we eat because we're like that too, which I don't mind. I love it. Yeah, me too. I could care less. Me too, but I know the - My wife's always like, you want tri-tip again? I'm like, yeah, make it every day. I don't care. I love tri-tip, you know?

43:19Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but I know it's important for the kids to have diversity and try different stuff. Different textures and flavors. So that they're willing to do that. They don't grow up to be like, I only want these three things. That's all I was fed. And it's like, shit, I did only feed you that. That's my bad, you know?

43:31Adam Schafer:So I went and looked up studies. Did you guys know that there's studies with Brain FM, actual studies? that are done with Brain.fm. In regards to what? I'll tell you. So first off, to break. They have a focus study here. Yeah, there's that and more. So to break it down, for people who don't know, Brain.fm uses AI-driven algorithms and creates what they call as functional music. This is different than binaural beats. They use patented techniques like neural phase locking, 3D spatial audio. The goal is to influence brainwave activity, which is aimed at improving the type of performance you're looking for, whether it's sleep or focus or meditation or whatever, right?

44:19Adam Schafer:So they have some studies. They did a study where they compared Brain.FM to music, noise, or silence. The results showed mind-wandering improved focus with participants performing better on sustained attention tasks when they used Brain.FM. And then there's EEG evidence. They test EEG activity in the brain, showing synchronized brainwave activity in regions associated with attention. So they can actually see it on an EEG. When someone's listening to focus, the EEGs look like a brain that's focused. They also did fMRI studies that showed increased blood flow to brain regions linked to attention and focus.

45:00Adam Schafer:There's another study that was done in 2024. a 23 % reduction in writing errors, and the ability to work for three hours without breaks when using their high neural effect level focus. And there's more. There's one with sleep. Another study showed a 24 % to 29 % increase in slow wave sleep with people using their sleep music compared to controls. Remarkable. Yeah. It works.

45:30Justin Andrews:It's like crazy. What's cool to me, because I like them. It makes sense.

45:33Adam Schafer:I've been using them forever. And by the way, for people listening, you go through our link, you get 30 days. You can try it out for 30 days. You'll see. You'll feel it. What's cool to me, though, is you can do fMRI. So this is an MRI, but it's in real time. Or EEG tests. And you can literally test someone, have them listen to something, and say, here's the brain. Yeah. And now it's different. And it's acting in a way.

45:55Justin Andrews:Physically watch it change.

45:56Adam Schafer:Yes. It's acting in a way that we've associated with focus or sleep or meditation. And we know this because we'll have other participants. There's lots of studies on this. When people get really focused without using anything, we will measure their brain waves and we know what a focused brain looks like. In fact, somebody could take you right now, put your brain in fMRI or EEG, and they can predict. They can't predict what you're doing, but they can predict if you're sleeping or you're focused or you're meditating. We know what that looks like. Yeah. Pretty wild. It's pretty wild that you can induce it like that.

46:29Adam Schafer:Now we have studies to show it.

46:30Sal Di Stefano:Do you think this is the same type of science that supports like why we've always used like song to pass down history? I think that's fascinating. Like obviously we have the science now to do all this cool stuff and see. But it's like how wild is it that way long ago before we had any.

46:47Justin Andrews:Effective delivery system. Yeah.

46:48Sal Di Stefano:That we already knew to do that. I think that's so crazy. Like here it's cool because now we can prove like, yes, we can tell this is what's happening. But it's like, dude, before we could even prove that, we figured out by creating these songs would be a way to pass down history to the next generation. That's crazy.

47:06Adam Schafer:Well, you know, like for before the printing press, books were recited to each other over and over and over again. And some of them with incredible accuracy. And a lot of it was song. Yep. and it's really how music affects uh cognition is really interesting i don't even think we fully have a full full grasp on it it lights up the whole brain yeah it's it does things like my right now my two and a half year old you ask her to actually ask you guys tell me your abcs i guarantee you'll sing it yeah yeah nobody in here is going to say their abcs without singing it yeah that's how we remember all our abcs i know i got my my two and a half year old now she's on her own she'll like be playing and she'll start singing the abcs it's the cutest thing

47:49Justin Andrews:Well, it's a trip too because you've seen like that they even found with Neanderthals that they have like a bone harp or like a bone flute, I should say. Yeah. Yeah. And it's like, so they had music pretty much since humans existed.

48:02Adam Schafer:You know what's funny about Neanderthals is there's that, there's that like a, a, the stereotype of Neanderthals that they're dumb. Oh no. Yeah. But it turns out they were probably smart. We just killed them. Outbred them and killed them. That's how we justified it. We're just better hunters. Yes. We're faster and taller. Oh, they were dumb. We made better weapons. You and your dumb forehead. They were probably peaceful. You know what I mean? Yeah, they were funny.

48:25Sal Di Stefano:Cool and chill. Oh, yeah. The first time I ever really saw that, like, really fascinated, was I think I told you guys this about my cousin who homeschools all our kids. And I watched.

48:40Adam Schafer:She showed this to Jessica, by the way.

48:42Sal Di Stefano:Dude, it is so. And so she's homeschooled their whole life, right? So she's got kids that are beyond high school into college now. And they all learn this song. And every year, they build on the song. So by the time they're teenagers, they can sing this song. I forgot how many minutes it's long. I think it's like 20 minutes long or something long song. It's like super long that they can recite. And it's because every year, they build on it, build on it, build on it. And all it is, it's a song of history. It just basically tells you all this. Important things. all these important years and times and the people that were connected in the wars and all this stuff all through a song.

49:23Sal Di Stefano:And so, and she even says, she's like, it's so crazy. We'll be watching the history channel or something like that. And one of the kids will be in the room and they'll just like spot, Oh, that's so-and-so. And that was in, you know, 1772.

49:33Adam Schafer:And like,

49:34Sal Di Stefano:they'll spot off these dates and people and that are important in history. And it's all from that song. I was like, dude, that's so, so cool. That is so cool.

49:40Adam Schafer:Hey, I gotta, I gotta give you an update on my new, uh, well, not new. Cause I've used it before, but my, it's so far, real quick, just a little disclaimer. I'm not giving anybody investment advice. I'm not a financial advisor. This is just my own personal strategy. It's 100 % success. My investment strategy, you know the one where Adam tells me what to buy, but he doesn't buy it? Oh my God, dude. It's working out. It's magic, bro. This is how it works, everybody. Adam says, buy this, but he doesn't buy it. If he buys it, don't get it. If he says buy it and doesn't buy it. You have like Katrina buy for you or something.

50:16Adam Schafer:It's like 10 for 10. It's like 10 for 10.

50:18Sal Di Stefano:I hope my wife actually hears this and does listen to that. Yeah. Come on, Katrina. So she'll go buy. So she'll be like, honey, don't worry. I got her back.

50:24Adam Schafer:We were talking about Bitcoin and Bitcoin was already high. It was like 110. I think it was. No, it wasn't even that.

50:29Sal Di Stefano:It was just over 100. Or 100. Just over 100. Is that 120 or something like that right now? Yeah.

50:32Adam Schafer:And I'm like, oh, you know what? I'm buying some. He's like, yeah, you should. I'm like, are you going to buy some? He's like, nah. I'm like, okay. I bought a bunch of it Double down It went up like crazy So annoying man You have a time I'm so

50:45Sal Di Stefano:I'm just I'm super bitter About the whole coin thing Because I've lost all mine You know So Oh because you never

50:50Adam Schafer:You forgot your past

50:51Sal Di Stefano:So and I just asked Who was I talking to Somebody else who's got coins Now California's gonna own it Yeah I had XRP Somebody will own it I had XRP Cardone Ethereum And something else I had like four or five coins And You know It wasn't a crazy amount of money but it was money yeah it was money and it'd be a decent it would be a decent amount right now and so i've have not been able to get into it i've tried so many things that my brother who's a hacker tried to get him to do it like no and now that new law that passed in california it's

51:20Adam Schafer:like it's good how funny is that that they can get it but they can't give it to you the guy that owns it yeah it's a bit weird huh yeah that's why i don't try that's why that's my that's my

51:31Sal Di Stefano:reluctancy to giving them 100k for a bitcoin right now. It's just like, I mean, obviously I'm kicking myself for not doing it when I thought about it back at 25 too. So there's two times so far that I've felt really passionate about it. 25k and then at 100k. Those are the times I've actually really felt passionate about doing something and I'm like, we should do it. We should do it. And then I don't do it. But what keeps me from doing that is knowing that I got screwed on my other coins. And so I'm just so nervous of that. And I know there's a bunch of coins.

51:58Adam Schafer:How much do you think you'd have right now in the ones you owned? Am I going to feel like pain right now?

52:02Sal Di Stefano:No, no. I don't. Well, so I had about$5 ,000 in that. And to give you an example, XRP, I bought it at 93 cents or something. I think it's like$2.70 right now. So that would have more than doubled. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So it's like$15 ,000. Probably. That'd probably be a good guess total. That still sucks. Yeah, yeah. No, of course it sucks. It was mine. It's a vacation. Yeah, it's mine. Or some wheels.

52:26Adam Schafer:People listening right now are so mad. Yeah. $15 ,000.

52:28Sal Di Stefano:yeah so whatever but now i'm all sour about it so i'm all reluctant to to do it but i mean watching you have success with it is at least someone's winning yeah oh that's nice that's nice you get to live vicariously yeah i do that with you all the time i know you do every time

52:41Adam Schafer:you get a nice car yeah that's what you do i show everybody else look at this car my friend got

52:45Sal Di Stefano:tell everybody about your stock portfolio not my goodness look how good we're doing look how sal's doing over here what about you don't never mind me anyway i found a study on uh cbg one of

52:56Adam Schafer:the cannabinoids in the hemp plant reduced uh of fat in the heart interesting yeah reduced fat in

53:04Sal Di Stefano:the heart specifically the heart the heart yeah this just this has to be more reasons why they connected the dots with remember remember like the the you would assume because we gives you the munchies that you were we could have all these obese people oh yeah and that just doesn't pan

53:19Adam Schafer:out no people that use i'm not we're not going to advocate using cannabis for this reason but it's really weird that people who use cannabis regularly have lower rates of diabetes and tend to be less obese.

53:30Sal Di Stefano:This has to be what's connected to it though, right? It's got to be something to do with that.

53:33Adam Schafer:Something. And there's some insulin sensitivity effects that some studies show with cannabinoids improving that it improved. I know, I know I have family members that use NED religiously. Like I'll get a message from them. In fact, I have Jerry mail it to them for more NED and they use it for pain, but they also tell me when I use it, my blood sugar numbers come back better. So it probably has something to do with that. Interesting. I would imagine. Yeah. Because it's true. Like cannabis, and cannabis has all these cannabinoids in it, but it also has THC. Ned doesn't have THC, but it has all the other cannabinoids.

54:08Adam Schafer:Cannabis makes you want to eat. So it's always weird when they do all these studies, they say, well, they have lower rates of diabetes and they're less obese.

54:15Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

54:16Adam Schafer:Like they're supposed to move less and eat more. Yeah. Which, you know, because it makes you more lazy and it makes you want to eat more. And yet what's going on here? Yeah.

54:23Sal Di Stefano:I've always thought that was interesting.

54:25Adam Schafer:Well, to the tune of this, look, for people who are like, this sounds crazy. It's not. Look at the pharmaceutical research on cannabinoids and diabetes. There's actual studies going on. I don't know if they're going on now. I know there were about six years ago, last time I checked, that they're studying cannabinoids as a potential treatment, maybe in addition to other treatments for things like diabetes. Yeah. Because of its effects on blood sugar.

54:47Sal Di Stefano:Have you, I mean, we used to, remember early on, we were interested mainly because I know I just came out of it. and you were still researching and paying attention a lot. Do you pay attention to that market or anything anymore? Like, I don't really pay attention to it like I used to.

55:01Adam Schafer:No, I don't.

55:02Sal Di Stefano:Like, where the laws are at and where, I mean, like, there seemed a time, like, man, any minute now we're going to start seeing this in grocery stores everywhere.

55:08Justin Andrews:Yeah, there was talk that they were going to try to reschedule it. I don't know if that's still on the table or not, but I had heard that.

55:15Sal Di Stefano:And you had some states that were already starting to pass it to where you can just have it.

55:18Adam Schafer:Some states are going back now, too. Oh, really? Yeah, some states are starting to think that maybe we shouldn't have this legalized. So here's the truth. Cannabis, if it's legalized, more people will use it. So this is a fact. More people are going to use it if it's legalized. What are the plus signs of it? It doesn't go black market as much. You have tax revenue. Adults should have the freedom to blah, blah, blah. But more people will use it. That's true. I think the belief, what was promoted, was if it's legalized, more people aren't going to use it. A lot of people already use it. I thought that.

55:53Adam Schafer:That's not true now. We see the data. As soon as it gets legalized, way more people end up using it. And that comes with its own problems. THC, in particular, is psychoactive. Where do you personally stand on it, then? I think they should keep it legalized, but I think it should be regulated. Of course. It has to.

56:12Sal Di Stefano:It has to when you compare it, Sal, if you're going to be pro-caffeine, pro-alcohol, pro-pornography, if you can get all those things, access to those things, are all, in my opinion, far more dangerous.

56:23Adam Schafer:I think all of those should be regulated, including pornography. I think it should be regulated for adults only. But I do see cannabis use is associated, THC in particular, or specifically is associated with psychiatric issues. So you're seeing a rise in schizophrenia and anxiety and stuff like that. It is a bit alarming. It's not benign.

56:45Justin Andrews:Before that, I was like very, I guess less like regulations. But then I start to see the usage of it in schools and with kids is so prevalent. It's everywhere. And then they're all vaping. And it's a real problem that they need to really like think about that and how that's trickled down. But I mean, for the 21, keeping it at 21, just like anything else, like that's kind of where I'm at with it. Making sure like that's a rigid standard.

57:13Adam Schafer:Yeah, and you do see there may be lower uses of alcohol, but some studies show that people just use both, which is not good. So it's like people are like, cool, I'll do both. I'll smoke and I'll drink alcohol. That's not a great company.

57:26Sal Di Stefano:You have to wonder, too, that I wonder if it peaks and then it kind of levels out when it's kind of novel right now and new to be able to do it. I already feel like that's already kind of came down. It felt like for a minute there, it was like everybody was talking, Whether it was talking to me about getting involved with it on the business side or interested, is it something I could use? Is it good for me? That's really calmed down.

57:48Adam Schafer:Did you see that Carnival Cruises? They used to let people smoke weed and vape on deck because they're out in the sea or whatever. Now they're like, no more. They will not allow it anymore. Really? Yeah, they passed a bunch of new rules. Because of the diarrhea?

58:01Sal Di Stefano:No, it was because of all the fighting and shit. They got bad publicity.

58:06Adam Schafer:So they passed all these rules. One of them is like no more weed on deck, which is. That's weird. I don't know. Weed's probably not causing the fighting, though. Almost certainly. I'm sure it's the alcohol.

58:15Sal Di Stefano:Have you ever been around a group of dudes that let's get high and then go fight? No. Drink and that. Oh, yes.

58:20Adam Schafer:Besides the Diaz brothers, I don't know anybody that smokes weed and fights.

58:23Sal Di Stefano:That's not common. Like most people chill out after they have weed. I don't know. That's weird. Yeah.

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59:06Adam Schafer:Back to the show. Our first caller is Porter from Colorado. What's up, Porter?

59:10Justin Andrews:Good doing, Porter. Hello. Hi, how's it going? Good, man. How can we help you? Well, first of all, I just want to say thank you. I've been a longtime listener, first time caller, and you guys have really changed, I think, fitness as a whole. So I think it's really wonderful the way you guys present it. Thank you. To get into my question, I'm just kind of curious on how I can heal my relationship with food. I struggle with high stress situations, some emotional eating, and I have a fear that the answer is to work out a little bit less. Um, but I currently I work out like seven to 10 hours a week following a maps performance.

59:54Justin Andrews:Um, getting about three, three workouts a week on the mobility side and three of the lifts. And then cardio is typically like three to four times a week. And two of those are like outdoor mountain biking or like going for a trail run or something. Okay.

1:00:10Adam Schafer:And so what's the issue with your, with food? Let's get more specific.

1:00:14Justin Andrews:um i would just say like historically like some disordered like binging or like uh i've been working with a coach like a eating recovery coach for the last year and was able to break free from some like i can enjoy more foods often but like when things are stressful i definitely can turn to food to handle that stress what what kind of things have you guys done together over the last

1:00:41Adam Schafer:year that's helped?

1:00:43Justin Andrews:Really the whole process has just been working through intuitive eating, eating when I'm hungry, stopping when I'm full, and then going through that process. We've used some techniques like rain and other things to handle that, to cope a little bit more appropriately.

1:01:05Adam Schafer:Has it made a difference for you?

1:01:08Justin Andrews:I would say in terms of being able to enjoy more foods, uh, but still really struggling to kind of find like, like when I use the tracker, I'm able to say like, okay, this is where I need to stop or where I need to be versus listening a little bit more intuitively is more challenging.

1:01:26Adam Schafer:Yeah, I hear you. Um, by the way, it's very difficult thing to, uh, to work on. Um, you know, you, you mentioned binge, uh, eating, for example, it's, it's a very disconnected, to your body way of eating, right? Because you're eating beyond what the body signals are telling you. So some of the techniques that you're talking about that you've done with the coach that you have is to bring more awareness to how you actually feel. I'd like to go back, though, and talk a little bit about your history and what may have led to this kind of dysfunctional, for lack of a better term, relationship with food.

1:02:03Adam Schafer:So tell me a little bit about your past.

1:02:05Justin Andrews:Yeah, so I would say, like, I was a collegiate wrestler and wrestled all the way through high school and college and exercised a lot. In the beginning, I had to eat a lot to make weight, to gain weight, because I was wrestling up. And then as I moved into college, I was eating less and manipulating my weight more for sport. And then as a child, I think food was just always a comfort. It's something to turn to when things were difficult.

1:02:37Adam Schafer:Yeah, no, I hear you. How old are you? I'm 25. So you're not that long out of the college days. When did you graduate? How old were you?

1:02:46Justin Andrews:I was 23 when I took early retirement from wrestling due to injury. And then I graduated last year and I'm in my career now.

1:02:55Adam Schafer:So Porter, you've only been out of this lifestyle for two years. And this was something that you did for most of the time you were growing up, right? High school, you're a teenager, you're adolescent, and you're becoming a young man up and through, all the way up through 23 years old. And wrestling, making weight encourages disconnection. In fact, it served you well. You were able to make weight, right? Like there was a purpose behind disconnecting from your body's signals. Because if you didn't, you're not going to be able to eat enough to gain weight. And then later, if you didn't, you're not going to be able to restrict enough to make weight.

1:03:36Adam Schafer:That's just the sport that you were in. So you actually had to learn through years and years and years of practice to disconnect from very strong signals that your body sends out. Hunger signals, satiety signals, those are all very natural signals. But what you did is you trained yourself to the point where that is now your default. Now, the reason why I'm saying this, Porter, is because I want you to cut yourself some slack. back you're only two you're only actually a year into this what you're working on you've only been working with somebody intently on this for one year but the previous you know 15 12 years 13 years you were intently working on the opposite I think you're moving in the right direction it's just going to take time and it's going to feel like a struggle it's not going to happen in in a few months it's going to take you years and now the good news is you're going to you're going to move forward that entire time.

1:04:33There's going to be some backsliding, but, and it's going

1:04:36Adam Schafer:to feel more challenging. The backsliding is going to feel worse than it should because now you're aware, right? Whereas before you might binge and it's like, ah, you know, you don't even think about it. Whereas now when you do, you're like, oh man, there it is. There's that thing I'm doing. Oh, there it is. There's that thing I'm doing. Every time you disconnect your body signals, That's the beginning of awareness. The beginning of awareness is being aware of the dysfunction. And you're only a year into it. Keep moving in the direction you're moving. Keep working with somebody who's going to help coach you through this process.

1:05:12Adam Schafer:You're going to come out better at the other end. But you've got to cut yourself some slack. And I'm telling you this because I know that you're probably down on yourself when you take a couple steps back. Like, oh, why is this still happening? but this is like i mean there's there it's not you're not going to erase it uh in a short period

1:05:29Sal Di Stefano:of time at all does the coach or the counselor have you uh doing exercises like say journaling before you eat or after you eat do you do stuff like that at all have you tried yeah i would say

1:05:41Justin Andrews:like after a binge like i definitely will try and dive into it what caused it what what brought this on. And then beforehand, probably not so much. I think it's more like that, that racy behavior. Yeah. So it's kind of, you know, it would be beneficial to stop, but is the most challenging, like, you know, in the middle of the workday or whatnot.

1:06:01Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. I mean, I feel like even if you just had like a little journal and it could be as short as three words, you know, just before and or after I ate, just trying to bring awareness to that moment. Like, of course, you know, when you binge and you overdo it, then it's like, okay, now I'm trying to unpack versus every time I go to eat, like, what am I feeling? Am I hungry right now? Am I just tired right now? Did I just get in a fight with somebody? And so I'm really trying to connect the dots to those moments when you decide to eat, what you're going through or what you're feeling. And it's just all that exercise is really doing is bringing awareness to all those moments and maybe give you more insight on some of your pre-triggers.

1:06:39Sal Di Stefano:Like, what are some of the things that are in common with these moments where you have this urge to want to overeat or vice versa, right? Undereat. What happened in your day? Just say right before that. And maybe you can start to connect the dots of like, oh, wow, that's interesting. Somebody made this comment to me and now I'm also wanting to do this on this next meal. I wonder if there's something there.

1:07:01Adam Schafer:Now, let me add to this Porter. Here's what happens when you bring awareness to something. It feels worse. So that's what makes it so hard is it feels worse. I also want to add a little disclaimer. Too much self-focus leads to depression. Okay. So if you're always thinking about this, if you're always studying yourself, if you're always thinking about your feelings, that's called depression, especially for men, especially for men. So here's the remedy for that. You want to try to be other focused more often. What do I mean by that? I don't mean look at other people and judge them. That's not what I mean.

1:07:42Adam Schafer:I mean, do things and sacrifice for other people. That's the remedy for the challenges that come with self-awareness. Otherwise, this is gonna lead you to depression. And then what that's gonna do is make you go in the other direction. You'll be like, screw this, I'm done. And I'm just gonna go back to what I was doing before. So what does that look like? It could look like coaching someone else in fitness. It could look like you're a part of a group where you help other people with a similar issue. It could look like volunteer work. It could look like anything that is self-sacrificing and other focused is profoundly beneficial for mental state.

1:08:18Adam Schafer:Because again, if you become too, if it's all about me, how do I feel right now? How am I feeling while I'm eating? How am I, what's happening? Why did I do that? Depressed, you're gonna be depressed. That's like the hallmark of depression. So you gotta balance it out. So come up with things that you could do that are other focused for other people that have nothing to do with let me think about myself to bring yourself some joy and then uh in the meantime take your counselor's coaching um and i wouldn't do any more than that uh because they know what they're doing yeah hopefully i mean

1:08:52Sal Di Stefano:we're over here throwing shots at the dartboard right now but hopefully this counselor is having this type of a conversation they're an expert on this right yeah yeah they are yeah yeah 100

1:09:02Adam Schafer:100%.

1:09:02Sal Di Stefano:This is who we learn from. And they know you better. We've been talking for five minutes and we're trying to give good advice. Hopefully the best advice is probably to stick to whatever your counselor is telling you.

1:09:15Adam Schafer:Yeah. So you're really into fitness. Do you work in the fitness space or do you do something else?

1:09:20Justin Andrews:I had an in-person training business in college and then I transitioned a couple of those clients online with me that I've been able to work with, but I'm currently in like a sales role distribution.

1:09:33Adam Schafer:You know, it might be good. I'm just a suggestion. There's a lot of ways to do this, but would be to find, uh, people that struggle with some of the stuff and, uh, just volunteer your time to help them and genuinely try to help them. That'll be the other focus. That would be like an example of the other focus thing, uh, that could help you. So it's not so interesting because you're probably experiencing, especially if you're a smart guy is there's so much focus on me that, oh my God, I feel like crap. Oh, this keeps happening. Why am I doing this? Let me just think about myself and how I feel all the time.

1:10:04Adam Schafer:And then that's just dark. It just gets real dark real fast. So I would take the counselor's advice. Don't do more than that. Try to enjoy your workouts. Try not to be too obsessed about them, but also try not to obsess about doing, you know, that I'm doing too much type of deal. That is something.

1:10:22Sal Di Stefano:Cut yourself some slack. That is something we didn't really address that much. I think you even alluded to kind of like already knowing that that is. It'd be interesting to see if as much as you're training and moving is also ramping up the cravings and the appetite and making it even more difficult for yourself too. So maybe like lowering the intensity. I don't know what your intensity looks like. Just maybe not necessarily cutting you back.

1:10:46Adam Schafer:Oh, I guarantee his intensity is high if he wrestled most of his life.

1:10:49Sal Di Stefano:So like if you're already struggling with this like binge desire, because I know when I really push my body physically, then I get cravings. Like my body's going, I need more fuel faster. And that just makes the resisting, the binging part even more difficult. And so maybe pulling back potentially for a while, the intensity on the training, like not saying, I'm not going to tell you to stop going or stop doing things. Just like pull back on, like, don't be trying to crush yourself in your workouts if you do that.

1:11:19Justin Andrews:Yeah, I mean, and you're doing performance and you're kind of like back in that kind of athlete mind. It might serve you a bit to kind of shift that and try a different focus training wise, you know, and like get a different type of stimulus. So it doesn't put you back in that wrestling mode where, you know, your brain's just constantly there. Like I'm getting ready for something. It's more just benefiting your body somehow.

1:11:43Adam Schafer:Overall, I tell you what, this is the most important part, Porter. I think you're moving. Actually, I don't think. I know you're moving in the right direction. You're working with a professional.

1:11:51Justin Andrews:Yeah, you're doing the right.

1:11:52Adam Schafer:You're moving in the right direction, bro. You're probably being a little too hard on yourself. And I think you're doing great, dude. And take a step back, look at everything from 1 ,000 feet, and look at how you trained yourself for so long versus the last year. Like, yeah, dude. Yeah, it's going to be hard for sure. But don't focus too much on what you're not doing right now because that I don't think is the right direction. I think you should look at everything and say, oh, man, I was, okay, I'm moving in the right direction. That was a long time where I just disconnected, and it served me well in college.

1:12:26Adam Schafer:It got me to wrestle at a college level, but now it's not serving me anymore, so I'm just going to move in a different direction. It's a new journey. That's all. You know, it's like imagine if a young wrestler came to you, and they're like, man, I've been wrestling for a year, and I keep getting my butt kicked. What are you going to tell them? Well, yeah, it's your first year, bro. Everybody gets their ass kicked for the first year. Just keep going. You know what I mean?

1:12:46Justin Andrews:Sure, yeah. Yeah, this is, you provide a lot of great insights. I appreciate your time. And yeah, it's been very helpful. Thank you.

1:12:53Adam Schafer:You're going to do good, dude. You're only 25, bro. You're doing good, Porter. You're going to do really good, bro. Just don't be so hard on yourself.

1:12:58Justin Andrews:All right. Sounds good. I appreciate it. You got it, brother.

1:13:01Adam Schafer:All right. People don't understand. Wrestling is. No. That was like my top one for men. It's insane. Oh, yeah.

1:13:08Sal Di Stefano:Men, that's top. And then probably, what, pageants or model type stuff for women, I'd say would be the top. So those are the top two clients.

1:13:15Adam Schafer:The reason why wrestlers tend to dominate in mixed martial arts is because for decades you learn how to take a beating. You can just handle eating. And you become a robot. The workouts are ridiculous. Wrestling itself is insane. And then you starve yourself to make weight, and you know how to shut it off. It's like a soldier in war who then comes to live. I mean, I know that's more extreme. You can compartmentalize everything.

1:13:42Justin Andrews:Yeah, now I'm a civilian.

1:13:44Adam Schafer:you know i'm not wrestling anymore i'm a civilian how do i live this way it's a new life it's very

1:13:49Sal Di Stefano:difficult yeah it takes time the fact that he has the awareness to get a counselor and a coach to

1:13:53Justin Andrews:perfect he's on top of that which is awesome which i mean i found myself after we're like seeing i'm

1:13:58Sal Di Stefano:like okay what are we doing here like we've known the guy for five minutes and trying to give him advice he's working with an expert and the other thing the biggest move and the other thing i want

1:14:06Adam Schafer:to add too and this is especially true for men is too much self-focus too much focus on my feelings too much. That is not helpful. That turns into depression.

1:14:16Sal Di Stefano:which might be why, again, that's what I meant. Like that's might be why the counselor is not telling him to do that yet. It's just like, uh, you're not there yet.

1:14:23Adam Schafer:Our next caller is Steve from the UK. Steve, what's happening? Come on, Steve. What's up?

1:14:27Justin Andrews:Oh yeah. Nice to meet you.

1:14:28Adam Schafer:Same. How can we help you?

1:14:31Justin Andrews:Um, so I've just started the maps power lifts program. Um, not for competing, just merely putting on, um, a bit of size and getting stronger. Um, I've always had an issue with the straight bar when squatting. So I was just wondering if I swap that out for a safety squat bar, would I see any different type of results or any benefits maybe?

1:14:56Adam Schafer:I got two. I'll give you two answers. It is slightly different. It's closer to a front squat than a back squat. Not quite a front squat. Loads the front a little bit more. You're going to get more quad than posterior chain. More core. And more core than you will from a back squat. It's not a bad exercise. If you want to do that instead of back, it's perfect.

1:15:13Justin Andrews:Great exercise. Super sound exercise.

1:15:15Adam Schafer:Now, the other answer I have is to figure out why you can't hold the bar behind your back and why do you get, and usually that has to do with thoracic, shoulder, and scapular mobility. And so what I would do is work on those things because you should be able to, a guy like you, strong dude working out, you know, young, you should be able to hold onto the bar and squat. And the fact that you can't tells me there's an issue. And if we ignore it, it's going to get worse. Yeah.

1:15:46Justin Andrews:So, yeah, it's always been my shoulder mobility. I always have upper back issues as well, like any overhead press. So, obviously, like most guys, mobility is something that I've never really focused on. It's just going in and lifting weights, you know. Yeah.

1:16:04Adam Schafer:No, I hear you. Okay. So, this is what we're going to do. Do you have Prime Pro?

1:16:08Justin Andrews:No.

1:16:08Adam Schafer:Let me send that to you. This is a simple fix. I want you to pick two or three shoulder and scapular mobility movements, and I want you to practice them a few times a day. Every day. Every day. And that should make a difference. It's going to take time, but it'll make a difference. Because here's the deal. If you lose the ability to overhead press, it's gone. You don't want to lose that. And you can develop round-looking delts and still not have good overhead press ability. Trust me, I've seen bodybuilders and physique competitors can't even do a total overhead press. But it is not going to serve you moving forward.

1:16:47Adam Schafer:Like, that's a fundamental movement you don't want to lose.

1:16:49Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, for the time being, the safety squat bar is awesome. Great way still for you to build strength. It's got benefits to it. Very similar, even though it's different. But if you're a client of mine, we have to start working on this now because this is just going to get worse and worse as you get bigger, stronger, and older. And so this is definitely something that we would want to address for sure.

1:17:10Adam Schafer:By the way, I had this issue. I know Adam has communicated the same issue. And it took me a year of working on it, and it became profoundly better to the point where I could do behind-the-neck presses and pull-downs. But it was a year of practice. So it's just, like I said, we'll send you Prime Pro. You'll have the movements. You practice them a couple times a day every day, and you'll see some improvements.

1:17:34Justin Andrews:Okay, lovely. Thank you very much. I will do that. You got it, my friend. Cool. Thanks, guys.

1:17:40Adam Schafer:It reminds me, I don't want to say too much, I don't want to call anybody out, but we had somebody come here once to do some work for us. And they were, again, I don't want to say too much, but they were professionals in terms of how they built their bodies, so very shredded, the whole deal. And all they had to do was an overhead press with dumbbells. Couldn't do it. Okay? They couldn't fully extend their arms above their head. And if you looked at them, you'd see muscle. You'd see definition. Yeah. But they couldn't do this like basic thing. I mean, it wasn't like an overhead squat. We weren't asking them to do like a deep ass squat or a snatch.

1:18:15Adam Schafer:It was just pushing something overhead with full extension. They couldn't do. Yeah. So you don't want to lose that. Our next caller is Eric from Texas.

1:18:22Sal Di Stefano:Eric, what's up, man? How you doing, Eric?

1:18:23Justin Andrews:What's happening? Hey, guys. How are you? Good.

1:18:25Adam Schafer:How can we help you?

1:18:26Justin Andrews:I am a 60-year-old man, roughly 5 '10", 211 pounds, body fat from my digital scale says about 18.5%. I've been working off or working out off and on for years and years and years. Probably the last year I've gotten a little more serious. So currently I strength train 45 to 50 minutes a day, 45 times a week. I also average about 11 ,000 steps a day. That said, I signed up with an online trainer, told him I wanted to be at about 12 to 15 % body fat, look a little more muscular. So I want to keep my muscle, like to lose some of my belly fat. He put me on a 2 ,000 calorie diet, which is 210 protein, 120 carbs, 76 fat.

1:19:19Justin Andrews:my weight is down from roughly 216, 217 to this morning was 211 in about five weeks. I signed up with him like June 1st. He's online in California. Don't know him. But lately, like the first three or four weeks were going great. I work out Monday through Friday and then take Saturday and Sunday off. It's a push-pull legs workout. But lately, I've been pretty tired dragging. like the first three or four weeks, it seemed like all five days I could hit it, hit it hard, felt great. The last two weeks, by Thursday, Friday, I'm starting to kind of drag a little bit. Really, last Friday, I kind of took, literally the workout was about 10, 15 minutes.

1:20:02Justin Andrews:And then I took off, of course, Saturday and Sunday just to recover and rest. So my question is, after listening to your podcast for months and months and months, I'm thinking after listening to you guys my calories are way too low um but i wanted your thoughts yeah good and good intuition

1:20:20Adam Schafer:what were your calories at before you do you know what they were at before you cut them down to 2000

1:20:24Justin Andrews:i didn't really track them that close but i look back because i mean i do put them into my fitness pal i don't do it every day but it seemed like they were around 25 2600 okay and he put me at 2000 and like i said the first three four weeks it didn't hurt me didn't affect me i was losing

1:20:39Adam Schafer:weight now she seems like i'm just yeah did you when you started the cut uh did you also just kind of have a little bit more intention intensity consistency with your workout sometimes people do that like oh i'm trying to get leaner i'm gonna get more consistent more serious in other words did you ramp that up a little bit yes big mistake yeah so that's a that's a very common mistake especially in conjunction with a 2000 when you do a cut yeah you don't also increase uh your activity because you're just now that's you're burning the candle at both ends type of deal. So there's two things I would do with you if you were my client and it's all based on how you feel three, four weeks.

1:21:16Adam Schafer:I feel good. Now I'm dragging ass. This is what we're going to do. We're going to do a week at 2 ,500 calories and we're going to cut down your workouts, uh, this week and only going to do three. And then next week we'll go back up to four workouts a week. We're not going to go to five and we'll start the cut again and see how you feel. That's going to, it's going to be this give and take based on how we feel. Cause here's what's going to happen. You could push through this, but you might, uh, you might get sick, injured. You just feel like crap. It's like, okay, I'm doing this to improve my quality of life.

1:21:45Adam Schafer:I feel like garbage. Why am I doing this type of deal? So, and you have, you have a lot of muscle, Eric, you're at 60 years old at your weight, body fat percentage. Like you're, you carry a lot of muscle. You're doing great. I think you should just listen to your body. So right now you probably should bump your calories 500 and reduce the workouts. I think five days a week with a cut is too much with strength training.

1:22:09Justin Andrews:Do you, when you say increased calories, is it because I'm doing roughly on the protein side, right? One gram per one pound of body weight. I'm hitting 210. Is it the carbs or the fat or does it matter? Both.

1:22:22Sal Di Stefano:I'd bump them both. Both. Yeah, I think, and you go how you feel. Like sometimes bump a little bit more in carbs. other days bump a little bit more fat and pay attention to what makes you feel better both satiety and energy wise because both of them can go up a little bit from where you're at you know i would have uh from day one i actually wouldn't have cut you this is a typical uh kind of like trainer move you just hire me you say you want to lose belly fat so i just cut calories to show you some results and you did exactly you got some results problem is it's short and you hit a plateau and then now feel the way you do, a much better strategy would have been right out the gates reverse dieting you.

1:22:59Sal Di Stefano:Because a guy with as much muscle and size as you have and also going to be training five days a week, 2 ,500 calories is low. You want to be up over 3 ,000 calories. And then when we cut, we cut down to 2 ,500, 2 ,700 calories, and you lose body fat.

1:23:15Adam Schafer:It feels like a longer process, but it sets you up to be in a better place at the end.

1:23:19Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, you'll feel better. You'll feel like you're eating more. you'll have more energy um it'll be easier uh in the long run it'll you know it seems like it's the longer path because you're like hey i want to lose my belly fat i'm like hey i want you to eat more

1:23:31Justin Andrews:calories and you're going what that seems backwards it seems okay yeah and it really kind of rings true also i think what one of you three were talking about on the recent podcast i was listening to is you know one of the signs i guess is sleep and my sleep used to be about seven hours a day in the last three or four weeks i average because i track with my or ring and garment it's i'm I'm sleeping like six hours and 10 minutes. You've been over training. Sleep has gone down. Restfulness has gone up. Yep. Yep.

1:23:56Adam Schafer:It's over training and your workouts, because you've been working out for so long, the amount of muscle you have, they're probably pretty intense. I mean, you're probably kind of getting after it and getting a good workout. Yeah. And you're, you're, you've cut your calories. Plus you probably ramped them up and they were already probably pretty good before. So now you ramp them up a little bit because you have this intention of getting leaner. It's just too much. It's just too much now. And the science now we're telling you. So if you literally, if you took, I mean, I'd love to put him on MAPS and Ebola.

1:24:22Sal Di Stefano:Can we just send him over to MAPS and Ebola? I mean, I don't know how trainers sometimes they get super.

1:24:28Justin Andrews:Is he giving you a workout too or just diet? No, he gave me the workout, which was another deal. Sal, you were talking about the intensity because my workouts I've done for the last three years on my own was just one body part. I do chest one day, arms one day, and he has me doing, you know, like today I did back and by. yesterday was chest and trides tomorrow's shoulders and abs and so i think the you know two body parts every day is really starting to kick my butt um five days a week yeah so what

1:24:59Adam Schafer:happened is your volume went up a lot then yeah versus and your calories went down yeah volume

1:25:04Sal Di Stefano:up intensity up and calories down is recipe for getting you're gonna get overtrained everything that's happened is exactly what probably should have happened you lost a little bit of weight initially because you've ramped up all the extra activity with the calorie cut. Then eventually your body starts talking to you and says, okay, this is low. I got it, Eric.

1:25:20Adam Schafer:Let's speed up this process. So I'm going to send you maps and a ball. Look, follow that workout. It's three days a week, three full body workouts a day. Okay. Excuse me a week. That's it. I'm also going to send you our, I think it's called our recovery guide. Is that it? It's the one for help. Like you do a week and you get your body. Okay. I'm going to send you a rescue rescue rescue recovery guide. the next week follow the rescue recovery guides you're not going to work out but you're going to do something every day to speed up this process because you're in the overtrained state and don't worry you're not going to lose muscle anything like that you just start getting good sleep and start feeling good again and then after that week start maps anabolic and i would have you bump your calories uh for the next couple weeks before attempting a cut again if you want to do this longer term i would slowly increase the calories over time till you get to a point where you're like wow i'm eating a lot of food and then cut that's the other option i mean i bet you could go

1:26:10Sal Di Stefano:right back up to 2500 with a good balance so long as you make good choices as far as hitting your protein intake eating whole foods you can go right back up to 2500 and be fine yeah so this next week

1:26:19Adam Schafer:you're going to do the recovery guide after that maps anabolic and i think you'll see your body will really start to respond well that's awesome yeah yep great awesome can i ask you one more

1:26:29Justin Andrews:quick quick question of course yeah um how do you uh what are your thoughts on uh visceral fat i had a dexabody scan. It did say I had really good muscle and good bone strength and all this other stuff. And it said my visceral fat, which I think, you know, always like, Oh, I've got some really strong abs, but I think it's visceral fat because it feels a little kind of hard to push in. So I was like, look at these abs. And I was like, I don't think those are abs. And so, um, what's the, is, is there, what do you, what's your advice on visceral fat? Like, is it, is there any easy way or certain way to get rid of it?

1:27:04Adam Schafer:You're doing all the right stuff. so strength training staying active eating healthy maintaining insulin sensitivity is important for that um are you on hormone replacement therapy yeah i'm on trt yeah um

1:27:19Justin Andrews:but i i do think uh sal would hurt it was was i've quit drinking for the most part six months ago but for the prior 10 15 years i was married i drank red wine four or five nights a week yeah and i think that probably contributed to it i assume it did yep for sure yep yep that makes

1:27:35Adam Schafer:a big difference and you can there's you know there's peptides you can look at that help with visceral body fat but at the end of the day it's you know what gets you leaner eric how long how long have you been on the replacement therapy for how long uh a year and a half okay yeah yeah

1:27:48Sal Di Stefano:by the way just knowing that too most certainly would have bumped calories one of the one of the one of the beautiful benefits of hormone therapy is you're not at the normal whims of ups and downs of testosterone like most men are or like flatlining for some men that are older you are at peak muscle building signal all the time that's so in other words when you uh eat a little bit extra calories more likely to go to muscle it's more likely to go right to muscle especially if you're strain training if you're strain training in in conjunction with this so that a person like you has a much greater advantage of the you know accidental extra calories going to good than is being stored as body fat than the average person who's at the whims of peaks and valleys of testosterone levels so even more reason i mean i would have done it regardless even if you were not taking hormone replacement theory but having that is like a no-brainer like we need it let's

1:28:42Adam Schafer:go build some muscle you know and something else that's not often discussed because it's a little bit more nuanced but you get two people identical situations they're both twins one of them has more muscle and strength training for a while. The other one hasn't. The same workout being done is more volume and more stress with the bigger stronger person. Squatting 300 pounds for 10 reps is 300 pounds for 10 reps versus 150. Even if the intensity feels similar when you have more muscle it's just more volume. In five days a week of bodybuilding for most people you could do maybe a couple of short sprint doing that in a calorie surplus, but definitely not long term and definitely not in a calorie deficit.

1:29:28Okay.

1:29:30Justin Andrews:That's great. That's great. I mean, y 'all's advice is great. I love your show. Every day I go walk, I listen to your podcast, and then when I'm home in the evenings, I watch your YouTube. So you guys are doing it right. Appreciate it. Appreciate the support, Eric.

1:29:43Adam Schafer:We'll send you MAPS anabolic and that recovery guide. Thank you so much. You got it, brother. Amen. Yeah, that's the thing. I think a lot of people don't realize is they get, if they've been strength training for a long time, like one hard workout for me is equivalent in terms of like, you know, stress on my body than like four workouts when I was 16 years old. I just wasn't strong. I just wasn't, it wasn't as intense. I wasn't hitting my body with the same volume and weight and all that stuff.

1:30:12Justin Andrews:You weren't as efficient to what you're doing with those movements. So yeah,

1:30:16Sal Di Stefano:this is also another opportunity for the listeners to understand too, how to know if you have a really good trainer. A good trainer would have him have tracked and given him calories that he'd been doing. I would have looked at the volume of workout he'd been doing before. I would have considered that he's on hormone replacement therapy. And all those things would be like, okay, if I am going to cut calories, I'm certainly not going to ramp up his volume at the same time. Where he's already at, body fat, he's not super overweight. wait, he has a little bit of belly fat he wants to get rid of. I can easily build, this guy's on hormone therapy, I could easily build some muscle on him, and that's going to lean him out.

1:30:57Sal Di Stefano:So there's just some things that you...

1:30:59Adam Schafer:Here's a red flag for, unfortunately, the majority of online coaches are like this. This is why we're getting in that space and trying to educate coaches. But they have two buttons in front of them. I want to lose fat. Cut calories, increase activity. Boom. Done. At once. That's my solution for everything. That's not the solution for everything.

1:31:17Sal Di Stefano:And we try and communicate this that it's not even the better, faster way. It looks like in one week or two weeks. I lost five pounds. Yeah, very short term. But then you hit a plateau, and then you get all the cascading things of sleep and hunger and all that stuff coming down.

1:31:33Adam Schafer:And then if you're not listening to someone else who knows what they're talking about, you're just like, well, I just got to tough through it. Yeah. Keep going. By the way, the overtraining rescue guide is actually a free guide that we have. It's at mindpumpfree.com. So anybody can get it. and it's a week of recovery structured to get you back on track. Our next caller is Charles from New Jersey. Hey, what's up, man? How can we help you?

1:31:54Justin Andrews:How are you guys doing today? Good, man. How are you? Yeah, doing great. Yeah, so my question is I can just read through what I wrote, but I just want to say first and foremost that you guys have helped me so much in my journey. I came from a bad place and now I'm in a much better one, and a lot of it's thanks to listening to Mindbump. So I really appreciate that.

1:32:16Adam Schafer:Thank you. Thank you.

1:32:19Justin Andrews:So what I wrote to Doug is that I've run anabolic performance and aesthetic, and I went from 265 down to 175, which is my current weight. Wow. Wow. That's awesome. Yeah. And I've done a lot of what you've talked about, the protein, the whole foods, all the things that you guys talk about here and it's it's it's worked for me um and so with that being said my question is now that i've done those programs and about performance and aesthetic where should i go from here really yeah that's great so you just finished aesthetic man uh yes yeah by the way congratulations on

1:33:03Adam Schafer:your success man that's incredible yeah dude so i mean we have a few programs i think would be appropriate for you.

1:33:09Sal Di Stefano:I think some more questions though, like, uh, what are you into? Like what's, uh, what do you enjoy doing?

1:33:14Justin Andrews:Favorite things you got from those three programs? Yeah, for sure. I mean, just the structure of it all, you know, that was really beneficial to me cause I was like, I just knew the bro workout, you know, like buys and tries and back and buys. And, you know, that's all I knew since I've been working out. So this really gave me some structure to it and um and just the guidance from the show you know i listen to the show while i'm working out so that really helps me a lot too just to like stay focused do you like so do you like

1:33:44Adam Schafer:learning kind of different movements uh that are not your traditional kind of bodybuilding to

1:33:48Justin Andrews:challenge yourself differently i think really what i'm looking to do is just continue to better myself in the in the sense of like where i can go and like strength wise and condition wise and then the last piece of it would be the aesthetic piece, like how I look.

1:34:06Adam Schafer:I got a good mix for you. I think Map Strong is an amazing program for that. I like that and Symmetry. You're going to get, yeah. Oh, and Symmetry is another great one, Justin. That's a good call. God, I'd be torn. I know. Strong is fun. You're doing some different movements. You're going to build some great muscle, especially in the posterior chain, your back. You're just going to feel very strong and conditioned. Symmetry, very good for balancing out the body. So I could send you either one. Which one sounds more fun to you?

1:34:35Justin Andrews:They both sound great. The first one sounds awesome.

1:34:38Adam Schafer:Let's go Map Strong, then. Do strong. We'll send you Map Strong, and we'll take you. You know what I'd like to do, Charles? I'd like to hear from you when you're done. I'd like to have you back on the show, and I'd like to hear all the things that you felt and what worked for you, what didn't work for you with Map Strong, and just kind of take it from there.

1:34:54Justin Andrews:That'd be awesome. Yeah.

1:34:56Adam Schafer:Good job, by the way, man. You're doing great, dude. Yeah, dude. Keep it going, man.

1:35:00Justin Andrews:Thanks so much, guys. I really appreciate it.

1:35:02Adam Schafer:You got it. God bless, man. Right on.

1:35:03Justin Andrews:Thank you.

1:35:04Adam Schafer:Yeah. Good. Wow. Yeah.

1:35:06Justin Andrews:Great progress. He definitely listens to the show. Well, you know, the red, black, you know.

1:35:11Adam Schafer:Reading his question, because he didn't say some of the stuff that he, you know, he didn't say on the call, but his question, I mean, he had some struggles. Yeah. And he came out of those struggles, like, in a big way. So it wasn't just a physical transformation. he experienced a mental and spiritual transition or transformation as well yeah um so that's why i want to have him back on the show because i hope he opens up more and talks about it

1:35:38Sal Di Stefano:as we as he goes through strong yeah i was i was hoping he you know obviously he's uh talked about the structure of all of them but i was curious i wanted him to shed a little more light on what he liked like i mean those are very three very different programs and one of the reasons why i love people doing exactly that is going through all three is like i didn't have from a client like this i would be like okay which one did you like the most which one did you like the least or tell me do you remember phases that you can prioritize things a little more effectively yeah so then if i have an idea because where someone is at with like uh at this point in their life it's like uh my goal is just to keep them working out like he's uh he's not super body focused he's not like trying to be a super athlete or anything like that like it's obvious that exercise and the advice we've given has changed his life.

1:36:25Sal Di Stefano:And it's like, I just want to keep this guy going. And so finding out what gets him to the gym and he's enjoying, that's where I'm pushing him. Keep going that way.

1:36:34Adam Schafer:Yeah, I'm hoping he likes strong. I think that was a good problem.

1:36:36Sal Di Stefano:I think both your advice is great. The only one that, the symmetry is like one of the best things that someone could do for them. The isometrics at the beginning is always what I'm always a little nervous. Do you have the discipline to do that two-week period? Yeah, to do that two-week period. It's different though. and it's so yeah it's so good yeah it's so good but it's it's the one that's like if i have somebody who i'm worried that might not follow something through it's like that's why because of that but most people need it so bad so when they do it they they're blown away yeah look if you like

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