2649: Top 9 Exercises for Each Body Part Based on EMG Research & More (Listener Live Coaching)

15:00Adam Schafer:No, and this is based off of analyzing all the data. I actually used AI to go through all the EMG studies. Interesting, okay. So you might find one or two that show a little bit better.

15:08Sal Di Stefano:Okay.

15:08Adam Schafer:By the way, here's a funny thing, okay? Again, we're going to go back to individual variants. If I have, now this isn't common, but let's say I have a client, or you're the kind of person that is like hip extension or glute dominant. So your squat, you have this interesting looking squat where you don't get much knee flexion and extension. Like you really sit back with it. And you'll sometimes see this with a low bar squat. Power lifters will do this. Lane squats like this. Yeah, to generate the most amount of power and strength. I could see them getting more quad activation from a hack squat or even a leg extension because the way that they do the squat relies so much on the hips.

15:47Adam Schafer:versus more than the quads.

15:48Sal Di Stefano:I mean, what you're touching on right now, I love this conversation because even with all the great studies around the EMG, even with us agreeing in some of this like that, there still becomes an exception to the rule and a good coach and trainer recognizes that and sees that, okay, I have somebody who has a low bar squat where they slide back into their hips and a lot of the glutes and posterior chain is involved. And hey, right now we're trying to focus on quads. Like, yeah, front squat, hack squat, other movements become better even though the studies and the research might point to that's right the back squat in that situation well that's generally speaking and in that study but i bet they didn't take a hundred and all hundred people squatted like lane norton does and if they did it would look different that's right so you have to always be able to consider

16:34Adam Schafer:that too that's right uh next up hamstrings nordic curls uh now i i agree that you probably are going to get the most brutal good luck getting you want to do these but i don't know very many people that can do this without hurting themselves. I only had a couple clients that can do this. This is a very high-tension exercise requiring very strong hamstrings with lots of stability. By the way, the Nordic curl outperforms a leg curl on a machine precisely because you also have to stabilize your upper body as you go down, so you get a little bit of that extension that the hamstrings, that stabilization that the hamstrings provide.

17:11Adam Schafer:But yeah, if you line this up with other hamstrings, I would guess it's going to be the nordic curl yeah but good luck finding someone who could do this yeah this

17:18Sal Di Stefano:wouldn't be mine right so it would be this would be a stiff leg of deadlift right here for me yeah i could do that with anybody that's right very uh easy basic movement for a lot of people but so so valuable um in fact i i right now i can only literally think of two clients i was able to do nordic curls with my entire career yeah i don't even know if i even do good mornings before i do

17:40Adam Schafer:these yeah and i don't even know if i could do these right now if i tried them i haven't done them in so long. Not with the resistance. I'd have the resistance with the pole.

17:46Sal Di Stefano:There's ways, by the way, I could. You could use straps. Yeah, there's a lot of ways to regress this movement. But again, why when I can go right to another movement that I think is so important? I think learning how to do a proper stiff-lated deadlift is such an important...

18:03Adam Schafer:There's also the functional component. You're far more likely to lift something off the ground than you are to do a Nordic curl in real life. So in exercise, by the So strength, this is very important for people to understand. Strength is as much of a skill as it is your muscles contracting. In other words, you could have muscles that contract way harder than another guy. Like we could test your individual muscles and they're bigger and they can generate more force. But that guy practices a particular movement and has a skill right and you don't. Then you go do the movement and suddenly they can lift more than you.

18:36Adam Schafer:Yeah. Why? Because strength is also a skill. not practicing hip hinging which you're going to do in your life all the time is a missed opportunity yeah missed opportunity Nordic curl like have you guys ever done Nordic curl in real life? I've never in my life had to pick myself up hold on a second yeah that's never happened okay glutes here's where we might get a little controversy the hip thrust hip thrust you get 70-80 % muscle activation of the glutes compared to 52 % that you'll get with let's say a squat because the argument's always what grows the glutes more squats or hip thrusts. Now, here's what's funny.

19:14Adam Schafer:I have studies that compare muscle growth, okay? And this is exactly what we're talking about. When you look at the studies on growth, guess what? They're both pretty damn close. Yeah. In fact, the studies suggest that the squat might be a little tiny bit better at growing the glutes than the hip thrust. Yet the hip thrust in the EMG study is at 70 % to 80 % activation where the squat's only 52%. So if you base it off that, you would think you would see a big difference in hypertrophy. The studies that actually measure the end result, which is growth, actually show no difference.

19:50Sal Di Stefano:And I think the case that you're trying to make here, because I don't think anyone here is trying to make the case that you don't need hip thrusts or hip thrusts aren't good. It's just that I think that squats, this is another checkmark in the category of squats are better for this reason. The last three, quads, hamstrings, and glutes, you get from squatting. And if you get really proficient at that, the carryover into all those gets greater too. And so as a trainer, programming for someone doesn't mean I'm never going to do hip thrusts. It means I'm primarily going to get really good at the squat with my client.

20:26Sal Di Stefano:and every once in a while we might do some hip thrust because it does have great benefits to it but i'm going to get really good at back because in fact your your point with the back squats even for quads it's so good it's like this would be an example of where maybe they front squat a little bit because i still want them squatting for that but then for glutes we're going to make sure we back squat and so they're getting lots of squatting and lots of squatting is going to make them really good at squatting getting them really good at squatting is going to make them strong in all

20:50Adam Schafer:those areas right now again another wrench in this whole conversation there are people uh where glutes uh where hip thrusts are going to be superior for glutes and these are people that have trouble connecting to the glutes when they squat yep now so this is where i think emg studies are excellent if you're that person that has trouble connecting to a muscle in conventional well-regarded exercises that you're supposed to do for that body part like if you're that person and it's like, man, I squat and I never feel it in my glutes. My quads get a pump. I'm building my quads. My glutes don't seem to be growing at all.

21:24Adam Schafer:It's because of your technique and how the squat is activating your body. These are the people that hip thrusts are going to be amazing for. For sure. And this is why hip thrusts on social media gets so much love because the type of person, the bias of the person that discovers the hip thrust and then raves about it is typically the person that just didn't get good activation from a squat. And so that person discovers a hip thrust is like, there's my glutes. This is what I couldn't feel before.

21:55Sal Di Stefano:Which, by the way, which causes these people to die on that hill. That's right. Way better than squats. I was squatting my whole life, and it never built my butt. All of a sudden, I started hip thrusting, and now I've built a butt.

22:06Adam Schafer:And again, there's general categories of great exercises. I think they're all good when you look at those general categories that are agreed upon. and then you have your individual variants where like man i know you said that you feel this exercise more but i feel this one more well you probably are it's probably better for you then so listen to your body when it comes to that next up this was an interesting one for biceps concentration curl interesting i would not place a concentration curl in the top five of big bicep building exercises yeah i just wouldn't i think it's the load you're just not going to lift as much as you would with a traditional standing curl or a barbell curl.

22:44Justin Andrews:Barbell curl, yeah.

22:45Adam Schafer:Concentration girls are good, but it doesn't typically make the top four or five for best bicep exercise. That being said, we're talking about the biceps, so almost any bicep exercise is okay. It's not a big deal.

22:57Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, I'm surprised that the reverse grip pull-up did not get... I don't think they tested it. Oh, they didn't even test it, probably.

23:04Adam Schafer:How many people do a reverse grip pull-up with emphasis on the bicep? Besides arm wrestlers. That would be a cool EMG study thing. I think it would crush.

23:14Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, I think so too. Just in that stretch position like that and actually curling the body weight up. To me, it's like if Nordic curls wins for hamstrings, I would think that would win for biceps. You gotta go to that level. We gotta get it more popular before it gets tested that way.

23:27Adam Schafer:The other reason why I think concentration curl probably measured high, the bicep does flex the elbow but a lot of people don't realize this because one of the heads of the bicep goes over the humerus or the top of the arm, it also brings your arm up a little bit your elbow when i'm in that concentration that concentrated curl position i'm often having to activate the bicep in two different directions which you don't get a lot of sometimes in other exercises okay i'm gonna speak upon the athletic

23:53Justin Andrews:side of the fence here like show like what is the concentration curl exactly yeah like for for for sports no just like uh what position is your arm in your this is either bent over or on your arm

24:06Adam Schafer:Because is it like the one that's coming in like this? Get out of here. The Arnold curl. You know how much I love it when Justin doesn't know a bodybuilding exercise. Like I would even say preacher curl over that. Yeah. Like, you know, this is a silly one. By the way, here's what the study shows. 90 % activation versus a preacher curl, which is 86%. 4 %? Probably nothing. Yeah. Especially when you consider it.

24:26Sal Di Stefano:Well, then when you add in what you guys said earlier about load and stuff like that, too. So you're talking about a major difference there. Totally. All right.

24:32Adam Schafer:For triceps, dips. Dips outperform. skull crushers and pushdowns by 5-10 % I'm not going to argue with that I love dips and they're functional

24:44Sal Di Stefano:pushdowns though and overextensions wouldn't even come second and third close grip pushups close grip bench press would be my 1-2 dips and close grip bench press for building the triceps I think are the king of the movements or king and queen of movements for the tricep for sure

25:03Adam Schafer:and then for abs we have hanging leg raises I'm not going to argue this. If you can perform, this is the asterisk.

25:10Justin Andrews:You're under perfect form.

25:11Adam Schafer:Yeah, here's the caveat, right? If you can perform hanging leg raises properly, meaning you're hanging either by your hands or by your elbows, and when you bring your legs up, what's bringing your legs up is pelvic tilt. It's not flexing at the hips. It's actually your pelvis rotating and bringing it up. Then, yeah, it's hard to beat a hanging leg raise. that being said and this is listen 100 % true I'm going to say this right now 100 % true I almost never never never never see anybody even guys and girls that are fit and jack almost never seen people perform a hanging leg raise properly

25:51Sal Di Stefano:well you can do like Justin said the decline reverse crunches and boy make that really difficult and before you even get to this this is such a progression to that that most people most people that are doing hanging leg raises have no business doing hanging leg raises yet they're just they don't need to there's a better movement for you to learn and get good and strong at and then let me i mean if you are somebody who can do decline reverse uh sit-ups and you can do those uh with a steep steep incline and it's easy and you can do high reps okay yeah hanging leg raises let's go but i never had any clients that got to that level where we needed to do that like just doing that on the decline and slowing it down and emphasizing curling all the way up and then resisting on the way down yeah good luck yeah very very difficult

26:44Adam Schafer:exercise but if you could do it like the nordic uh curl like great exercise just most people most people can't do it properly anyway i uh i got to address some questions that we get on one of our partners the caldera lab face serum the size of the bottle and the cost i looked up how long that lasts for the average user dude lasts over a month at least it's three to five months i was gonna say it lasts a long three to five yeah because you don't need much and it lasts a very plus i also by the way the cal the the face serum i think i've said this before but i didn't know the second part so every ingredient every botanical in there's organic it's also wild harvested Wow.

27:25Adam Schafer:So they actually go out and harvest these things in the wild. What? And it's completely organic.

27:30Justin Andrews:So they don't grow it like it's a controlled farm? No, no. They just get it.

27:35Adam Schafer:This is like natural, natural, natural. What a trip. And then I looked up the reviews on it, and it's one of the highest reviewed face care products, period, on the market. They're amazing. On the market. I mean, it's no wonder why they blew up. As soon as people use it.

27:52Sal Di Stefano:Now that you said that about the usage. So the audience, every day before we podcast, it's a bit of a ritual for me that before we go on, I keep it over here right next to me. And I just kind of apply it. And Jerry replaces that for me. You're probably right.

28:08Adam Schafer:But you use way more of it than the average person because you rub it all over your body. I put it on my Sarai. Yeah.

28:13Sal Di Stefano:But I still, that's why I probably said a month, a little over a month.

28:16Adam Schafer:I put like literally two drops, one or two drops on my finger from my face.

28:20Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. So I use a lot of it. I use it on all my serice spots. I use it on the top of my head. I use it on my face. I use it all over. And that still lasts me over a month. And you can tell the difference. I imagine if someone's just using it like that, it probably lasts several months.

28:34Adam Schafer:Yeah, three to five months is what the average user says. Anyway, did you guys see what happened to Elmo's? Yes, he got hacked. He got hacked. Thank you. I was going to bring that up. That's hilarious. Oh, my God. Horrible posts. Elmo has, everybody knows Sesame Street Elmo. somebody hacked his account on x and elmo was saying the most racist terrible anti-semitic

28:59Sal Di Stefano:stuff oh i didn't see that all i saw was the trump one bro i kept going yeah it was racist

29:05Adam Schafer:it was anti-semitic oh and it was wow bro like like the stuff now you know it's funny do you guys ever watch that have you guys ever watched that one clip somebody made with elmo where he's partying with his buddies. Have you ever seen this one? Is this one of the cocaine? Yeah, dude. Where he's parties, swinging from the... He's having sex with a fluff stuffed bunny, and he's doing cocaine or whatever. So people started posting that. Like, real Elmo is... Real Elmo is

29:31Justin Andrews:wild.

29:34Adam Schafer:You know what's funny about this? I bet you Elmo's page grew from that controversy. For sure it did.

29:40Sal Di Stefano:I didn't even know he had one until just now.

29:44Justin Andrews:Dude, it was... What was happening? I didn't read any previous posts was all like the kid related yeah bro it was like oh it's elmo like what you

29:53Adam Schafer:expect from elmo yeah and then they went off they were saying things that they have to shut it down what happened yeah yeah i think they did they doug does it say that i don't know let me see here

30:04Sal Di Stefano:oh he's only got 600 000 followers i would i would have thought well it has since been secured

30:09Adam Schafer:it's since yeah i because i was on x and i saw these posts by i thought it was a fake account I'm like, oh my God, bro. I just saw the backlash, and I was like, oh my God.

30:20Justin Andrews:What was wrong with people?

30:21Sal Di Stefano:I saw other people sharing it. That's why I wasn't sure if it was true. So I'm already there, dude. I'm at a point, and I see that I've already conditioned myself, that when I first see something that's crazy over the top of that, I don't believe. Yeah, I know. Like now that you guys have said that you've seen it, it's like, oh, okay, now, oh, that thing I did see was true. That confirms it, yeah. Right, whereas I'm in disbelief first.

30:43Justin Andrews:I was hesitant to bring it up because of that as well. Because it's like, you know, they're just throwing everything out there to get some kind of reaction.

30:50Sal Di Stefano:And so many people do that where they photo. I mean, how many times have you seen someone Photoshop Trump's, you know, tweet, and then they put something else on there? It's like, he never said that. Dude, it's getting so much of that.

31:00Adam Schafer:It's getting so wild on the internet and social media. You know what's a big problem right now in high schools? high school boys or whoever is taking uh yearbook pictures or pictures of kids they go to school with and they're turning it into pornography and so and it's getting shared their face they're putting on with their face so they have and what's happening is they're the people are using google and i forget who else's technology to do this so it's like a big problem for these tech companies because and but listen yes i know it's fake or whatever but imagine being a 15 year old girl and suddenly at high school everybody's circulating a fake video of you yeah

31:45Sal Di Stefano:but it's a doesn't even matter it's fake it's like that someone's doing how violating wow and terrible uh would that be you know it's interesting to see how how you know tech and everything's going to handle this i did did you guys see what youtube is doing uh i think and i think it's a great move i actually thought this is so i've been thinking about like man what are we going to do with the whole you know dead internet theory like you know are we like just a couple years away from everything being just ai and did you see what youtube did so so you if uh all the the money and stuff that you can make from views and watch time on youtube if it's an ai generated account

32:22Adam Schafer:ain't happening good so no that makes sense they're gonna they want to protect uh their money They want to protect real users. Like people who make content. Because that's YouTube. If you don't have people making content, YouTube doesn't exist.

32:34Sal Di Stefano:It also keeps from like a monopoly, right? Because the first person that kind of figures out the hack and the algorithm of what you need to generate AI-wise. Think about the volume. Yeah, they could have 15 videos a day. Yeah, and 4 ,000 different accounts that are all AI and fake. And it's one person who's reaping all the benefits of that. You crush 4 ,000 other creators that would compete with that.

32:54Adam Schafer:Did you see John Deloney? His show's crazy. a girl called in, she's an adult. He gets wild calling. She's an adult. This woman now is, I think she was in her 20s and she had a stepfather, this is terrible, that raised her, she had a good relationship with and he let her borrow his phone to do something and she saw that he had AI images of her that were nude. What? And it's like, she was obviously like, this is disgusting, I can't believe it, what do I do with this? Damn, creepy. It's not real. He didn't go follow her and take these photos.

33:31Justin Andrews:He just created it.

33:32Adam Schafer:But he just created it. And the crazy part about this is there's no laws. Now, I'm sure they're going to have laws against this. I'm sure if you do this and it's not authorized that you can get in big trouble because they have to pass laws against this. Yeah, you have to.

33:43Justin Andrews:Your likeness, wasn't there some, I think it was in like Europe or something, they started to kind of have you register your likeness so it was protected and you could like create some kind of legality around that. You have to. Yeah. They have to. That's kind of the only move we got left.

33:59Adam Schafer:Exactly for what I'm saying. Like, if it's, does it, is it, are you protected? Is somebody protected right now from something like that? Is underage images, if they're, you know, AI, is that even covered under current law? I'm not sure. I don't know. But this is like a thing. Wow. Yeah. Wow. That's happening right now. I thought you were about this year.

34:19Sal Di Stefano:I just saw, you know, one of his recent ones too, is he had a live caller. He has some wild callers. because I know John so well, I'm baffled. What I love is just to see his reaction. What the fuck is he going to say? So I'm like, how are you going to handle this one, John? He does it so massively. He does. He does. He's probably heard it all. Yeah. I'm surprised how he doesn't get more. I like my mouth was like, Oh, this guy calls in and he's trying to ask his advice on how to like, you know, work through this situation. And he's telling the story that him, his wife and his mother-in-law were all, drinking together and the his wife went upstairs to go sleep with the kids and he fell asleep downstairs with his stepmother woke up and then you know slept with his stepmother

35:07Adam Schafer:or his his actually had with his mother-in-law yeah with his mother had sex with yeah yeah and

35:11Sal Di Stefano:actually like pursued her right so she like if she and he's asking for advice yeah and john's like uh yeah you're done you messed up yeah that's what's crazy to me is he called for advice Yeah, he's like, you know? Do you not know that that's, yeah. Yeah, he's like, you don't come back from that. Yeah, like you dishonored. Do I tell my wife? Yeah, you dishonored your wife to such a horrible degree. You can never recover from that. Like, the right thing to do is actually to walk away. Apologize, of course, but you need to walk away from that.

35:42Adam Schafer:You know what's crazy about all this is reading the Old Testament, I was so blown away by, there's books in the Old Testament that are just laws. and they spell out like uh like sex laws so uh like so specifically that obviously people were doing this stuff it's like you you do not sleep with your sister do not sleep with your mother do not sleep with your husband's wife do not sleep with your your aunt do not have your dog do not have sex with an animal but i'm like wow they had to spell this out back then what is going on here

36:13Justin Andrews:that's just human it's just human nature we can just go crazy like all those signs you see at the airport for what not to bring and you're like somebody brought a chainsaw yeah yeah i always

36:23Sal Di Stefano:think those are funny so yeah it was like random things on there's like of all the things they picked and not to bring like why is that who brought that more than once that they felt they

36:32Adam Schafer:needed a sign yeah did i tell you how bad how mad my kids got my older kids got at me you guys know i do this with you guys all the time when the airport and then i'll make a joke while you're getting you're going through security hey did you tell them about the fireworks in your you know in your bag or something like that. I did that to my kids, dude. And they were so angry. We're going to get so troubled. What's wrong with you?

36:52Sal Di Stefano:I'm like, you don't have fireworks in your bag.

36:57Sal Di Stefano:We always do that. I always do it. I do it to Katrina all the time.

37:04Adam Schafer:Adam, I think you're probably the one. You've gotten the most pat-downs. You get targeted a lot. 100%. Every time? 100%. Every time. I know when you're getting patted down, we always go, check his groin. That's where he hides me.

37:18Sal Di Stefano:the best is like i mean i appreciate the guys that have like that sense of humor yeah sense of humor sometimes you get people that are just you know all upset about it and stuff so

37:27Adam Schafer:well you got to make light of it it's uncomfortable manhandle you anyway yeah it's uncomfortable nobody likes it so might as well make a joke about it dude well speaking of messed up things

37:35Justin Andrews:like uh i was looking like it's kissed bwa and i think is this like actual news like i follow and And there was this case of like this couple down in L.A. who couldn't – apparently were like trying to go through a fertility clinic to get – to be able to have a surrogate option. And they found out like that they had done this with like 20 different people. And so they actually had to full term 20 kids were – With the same surrogate? With the same surrogate. So this woman's just pregnant 20 times? No, no, no. All different surrogates. Okay. Her eggs. So she, like, her eggs, she... Willingly or they did it without her?

38:22Justin Andrews:They stole her eggs to give other people... No, so the thought is they did that on purpose. They have this, like, big mansion in Florida. Like, there's this whole, like, weird scandal to it. Like, there's a lot of theories coming out about it as, like, you know, if there's some trafficking angle with this in terms of like you know so they're only able to adopt like you know a handful the rest of them go to foster homes and so they're but these this couple actually owns the the fertility clinic that did this disgusting so anyway so i was just like appalled at like that this was and apparently this is going on uh more frequently than people

39:01Sal Di Stefano:know about okay so help me understand i'm a little confused so a couple who owns a fertility clinic used so the wife basically other people's eggs. No her eggs. She produced a ton of eggs. You know when they do that you produce 20, 30 eggs so they probably froze 50 of her eggs and then they gave them out. And it was all

39:22Justin Andrews:like the same time to 20 different couples. And genetically they're finding, they're still finding babies.

39:30Adam Schafer:And the baby goes back to them to supposedly go out to a dog?

39:33Justin Andrews:Yes to come back to them to to uh yeah for them to adopt it but they're not at their home but yeah they can only adopt like a handful like oh wow two kids or so i don't know what the this is what i start to think about is

39:47Sal Di Stefano:that just a possible strategy though of like hey we're gonna put out 20 and hopefully we get five because they don't always take no they all came out that's what he's saying yeah all of them took

39:57Justin Andrews:interesting yeah yeah i was thinking about that too but i'm like i yeah like it's i think yeah obviously they store more for that reason but yeah they would probably only use like two couples at

40:09Adam Schafer:max i would look it up doug i want to hear what this case yeah is all about uh and you could probably just type in yeah because i'm trying to California surrogate uh you know case or something like that or California surrogate because i know that okay so when when like when Katrina and i

40:23Sal Di Stefano:went through all this right that's what they're they're hoping that she gets like you know 10 15 eggs right and a lot of times when you have to go through like something like this you know the the woman's only having a handful of eggs or so, so you're not getting a lot. And so you're really hoping and praying you get 10, 15, 20 eggs. And then you do, you, you freeze all. And then you try and inseminate all of them, you know, and hoping that four take and then of the four that take to keep. And then, you know, you have one or two.

40:50Adam Schafer:They think it's trafficking. Like they were selling. Yes. Oh, they got to, these people got to get killed. Yeah. I'm not a, I am not a, uh, wow. 17 of them. It's horrific, dude. dude what is this there's real evil like there's terrible evil in the world and i'm not a i'm not pro death sentence but stuff like this can sway me what i'm having a hard time is like how do you

41:12Sal Di Stefano:how do you connect then right away to trafficking because and like the kids go and that's the

41:18Justin Andrews:incentive and they get paid like and uh you could see how their lavish lifestyle like doesn't add up so they have a huge huge house and it's like okay wait a minute maybe they want a lot of kids and they have a big house for a lot of kids,

41:31Sal Di Stefano:but then it just doesn't add up. I mean, could it also be a way of avoiding taxes and just kind of backdoor getting people kids too, though? Like, okay, so you run your own -

41:41Adam Schafer:So you're going to sell the kids on the black market? Yeah, basically. You're going to sell the kids. It's trafficking. That's called trafficking.

41:45Sal Di Stefano:Okay, so that's most likely what's happening right now. These people are trying to sell the kids on the black markets and they don't have to pay taxes. Think about it. You have your own clinic.

41:53Adam Schafer:Yeah, but who's buying these kids in the black market?

41:54Sal Di Stefano:People that are willing to save money that way. It's like, imagine you're in - Okay, think of this. I'm trying to think of how you think. You want a kid, Adam. You want a baby. You're going to go to the black market to buy it? No, no, no, no. No, no, no. It doesn't look like that. You come to my clinic, okay, to come get a baby, and you're telling me, I tell you, hey, it's going to be$30 ,000. Oh, man, it's so expensive. I tell you what. We have one for 15. For 15 grand, but we're going to have to do it this way. I'm going to do it. We're not going to claim. There's no reason why there's laws around this.

42:19Sal Di Stefano:Well, no, I mean, obviously. And by the way, me explaining how I think this went down is me justifying you by any means. i'm just trying to rationalize like where is your brain going to do that it makes sense if you own the clinic you got to pay taxes on all this income that you're doing you do 20 kids for 15 grand black market it's a lot of money you're and then that also explains the lavish lifestyle because you're only paying taxes say on 200 grand a year but you're really more like 400 their best case

42:46Adam Schafer:is tax evasion then the best case scenario yeah but you're selling the black market it's like Who's coming to you?

42:53Sal Di Stefano:No, again, I bet you're not selling the blackout. I bet it happens just like that. You're in an office. And you turn a blind eye. Yeah, exactly. And you're like, listen, I bet you if we look at the case, I mean, I could be totally wrong. They could be some crazy. I feel like, though, this is right now that's a hot topic, so everything is like go that direction for the news. That obviously gets everyone's boil going, all the stuff that Epstein and what's going on. I wonder if it's more like, is that one of the people? No, that's the couple.

43:23Justin Andrews:That's the couple, yeah. So they actually used her eggs and his sperm, I guess, and they had these surrogates raise these kids, and there's like 21 of them. I think the oldest is 12. Okay. But apparently there was a three-month-old that had been abused at the house, and that's how they found out about this. It was shaken, I think. Yeah.

43:42Adam Schafer:Wow. Well, there you go. That's terrible. Interesting. You know, there's a controversy around surrogacy, by the way, that people say that having a baby grow in a woman and then when she gives birth, goes to someone else, that there's some trauma there that people don't want to address. Just the separation from the mom that carried the baby. That's controversial to say because people don't want to say that, but that's even a possibility. But, man, that's really crazy. All right, I'm going to go fitness. Let's bring it back to fitness here for a second. So just by the way, what I'm about to say points less to the value of what I'm about to say, more to just how sedentary humans are.

44:28Adam Schafer:They did a study that showed that walking 4 ,000 steps a day, 4 ,000 steps, by the way, is nothing. It led to larger brain volume, about 2 % for an improved memory from 4 ,000 steps. By the way, this isn't like, oh, walking is miraculous. What this really means is people are so inactive that their brains are atrophied. 100%.

44:55Sal Di Stefano:From not moving. And it only takes 4 ,000 to counter the average person's atrophy. That's right. Yeah. I mean, this to me is a similar story when you've talked about how little it takes just to keep from losing muscle. Yeah. Once every two weeks. Like that's how inactive we are as people like to just keep your muscle from falling off. You just need to do something once every two weeks. This is similar to that. It's like we are so inactive in order to keep your brains from atrophying. All you have to do is minimum walk 4 ,000 steps. And you're right. I think it's less to say about how miraculous 4 ,000 steps is.

45:31Sal Di Stefano:It's just to say, wow, how unhealthy, inactive we really have become. Along those lines. And it's not just your muscles that are suffering. Your brain is also suffering.

45:40Adam Schafer:Oh, yeah. Yeah, your brain controls all of it, moves it all. It's all connected. And it prunes off what you're not using. And if you're not using your brain, because every time you move, you're using your brain. If you don't move, your brain will atrophy. Along those lines, did you see the new CDC data on teenagers and prediabetes? Jackie sent this to us. This is CDC data. One out of three teens. 33 % of teenagers today have prediabetes. Whoa. That's appalling. 33. Do you guys, people understand this. It's really high. Teenagers never had any of this. No. Zero. Zero was what it was. Yeah. Okay.

46:24Adam Schafer:Now it's 33 % have prediabetes. Yeah. We're not doing that.

46:28Sal Di Stefano:How do they measure prediabetes? Blood sugar.

46:32Adam Schafer:blood sugar.

46:32Sal Di Stefano:So basically what this is saying is that they checked a thousand of preteens, their blood sugar, and they all read over this number.

46:40Adam Schafer:Yep. So it's not high enough for type 2 diabetes, but if you're pre-diabetic at 15 years old, you're going to get type 2 diabetes when you get older. 33%. One out of three. That is absolutely insane. This is a significant threat. Major need there.

46:58Sal Di Stefano:It's so crazy to me because we just, We recently had a caller, and she was asking about trying to keep her kid from having – she wants to do similar to what Katrina and I do with no sugar really early. And the crazy thing to me is we know stuff like this, where we're going, and it's like there's still pushback from family and people that, hey, we probably shouldn't do that.

47:22Adam Schafer:You know what's crazy about this, though? And again, I'm going to just go in a little bit of a different direction. We grew up in the 80s and 90s, okay? And I'm going to be honest with you. We all ate a lot of sugar. All of us ate a lot of sugar all the time.

47:36Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, but we also played like crazy outside.

47:39Adam Schafer:We were always exercising, climbing. We were moving our bodies.

47:44Sal Di Stefano:So this is how we got in trouble, though, Sal, because it's not to say that what we did in the 80s and 90s was good. We were doing something bad also. We were just lucky that we still lived in a very physically active society. And so we countered a lot of that bad shit by moving enough. That's one of the beauties of exercise and movement. You can get away with a subpar or even poor diet with a lot of exercise to at least counter all the extra calories.

48:12Adam Schafer:Yeah, because I would bet that if you compared the 90s to today, a kid's diet.

48:16Sal Di Stefano:Oh, I don't think it's worse. No. It's the same. No. But what's changed dramatically. Totally. I totally agree with that. I totally agree with that. But again, that doesn't mean we were doing it right. I think we were doing it wrong too. I think we are now seeing the consequences of eating like that and those habits and behaviors.

48:33Adam Schafer:And kids don't move.

48:33Sal Di Stefano:And kids don't move. It was the perfect worst recipe happened is you had a bunch of 80s and 90s babies have babies after they fed their kids. Ho-hos and Twinkies and eating like that was no big deal. We all did it. So then they justify it to their kids. Oh, no big deal. Let's feed my kid ice cream and give them the snacks and do all the things I did as a kid.

48:54Justin Andrews:And now they're just sitting there on an iPad.

48:55Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, and then you throw an iPad their way. Yeah. And just comatose them for the entire day. Outside is boring. Crazy, yeah, recipe for that.

49:03Adam Schafer:I mean, again, people have heard us say this, but when we were kids, kids were never inside. Never. Nope. I mean, never. By the way, we didn't have cell phones and tracking. It's not good. We just weren't inside.

49:17Sal Di Stefano:There's nothing good about staying inside.

49:18Adam Schafer:Going inside was a punishment.

49:20Sal Di Stefano:Did you see that other article that Jackie sent? she said it last week actually and i never brought it up on the show i thought it was interesting there's a movement called feral feral summer oh yeah yeah yeah feral summertime or something like that i think it's called uh it basically feral kids right yeah put them outside yeah really encourage it's like a movement that's happening right now that you know parents trying to encourage other parents to let your kids let your kids you know i was talking it's funny i was talking to my

49:46Adam Schafer:wife i've been talking to my wife about this uh recently and we're really good she's really good with limiting screen time. But when I have the kids all day, which I do not super often, but maybe once or twice a week, I'll have them for a large chunk of the day. Jessica will get out of the house and I'll be with the kids all day long. There is a pronounced difference in their behavior when I run their little butts off and we go to the park two or three times a day versus when we're inside. Radical difference in their behavior. So here you are as a parent and your kids are not going outside that much because you're not either taking them outside or making them go outside or whatever, then they're acting up.

50:23Adam Schafer:And then in order to deal with the fact that they're acting up, you use TV or a screen. When in reality, again, if this was a dog, if you had a dog that was chewing your furniture and pooping all over the place and you went to the vet and the first question the vet would ask is, how often do you take your dog for a walk? We really don't go for that many walks. Okay, that's your problem. Get your dog outside.

50:44Sal Di Stefano:You don't need to sedate your dog or give him some sort of medication or do something else.

50:48Adam Schafer:Go get him outside. yeah i literally this is what it literally looks like when i have my kids uh 9 a.m is my goal and we go all the way we go for a walk all the way to this big park that's by where we live and we're there from 9 30 till typically 12 30 and it's like we're running they're going and we're playing then we come home daughter goes down for a nap my son and i hang out a little bit she wakes up and we go back to the park it's typically if i have them all day it's typically what it looks Yeah. And they're way better behaved.

51:17Sal Di Stefano:You know, originally, last year when I was house shopping, on my list of things that Katrina and I had over the years put together, like, okay, what does our ideal place look like? A pool was not on my list. I did not. That just happened to happen with this place because I fell in love with everything else. And I can't tell you how grateful I am. Looking back now, I would have actually put it as one of my top things now because of that reason. Yeah, it's warm outside. Just having young kids and they just naturally gravitate and want to do it, it is so easy to convince him to go play and swim in the pool.

51:55Sal Di Stefano:And then I see the benefits of that. I mean, aside from the fact that we're not even thinking about TV and iPad stuff, but being out in the sun and doing something physical, like, oh, connect. I mean, all the things. If I knew this going into it when I went shopping over a year ago, that actually would have been one of my number one priorities now that i know that but it wasn't was it just i lucked out that that happened and now that i see how we use it and i see the benefits of that to the point you're making because it's just so easy to go up when i'm stuck inside i

52:28Adam Schafer:even make it because sometimes if it's raining right you can't go outside too much you know what i do we do this thing where i'll play edm music and my kid i make my kids run and i turn it into games yeah i'll pretend like i'm a police officer the speed limit's all this much and then they run oh you're breaking the speed limit and they just and i'll do this for an hour to exhaust them uh physically because if i don't they don't it doesn't it's not good for them they don't feel good and they act it out you can tell they're they're they're snappier with each other meaner you know more disobedient whatever you want to say well dude even when it's raining i mean we

53:01Justin Andrews:used to like call each other out and be like dude it's mud football time and we go out and deal with the elements i just think we're such pussies now like get out there and deal with it and your body's going to benefit as a result of it yeah oh you might get a little cold but you'll get stronger

53:18Sal Di Stefano:i really think i think it's i think it's less i blame less of the kids being pussies and more of

53:25Adam Schafer:us as parents taking the easier path yeah you want to control us it's the parents that are pussies

53:31Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. Well, yeah, and want the easier path, right? Like, and I've seen this happen many times. And listen, I'm no stranger to also know what it's like to come home from a long, stressful, busy day. And all I want to do is walk in the door. That's right. Put my feet up on the couch. Have my wife come over and rub my head and tell me it's going to be okay. That's right. 100 % had those days. But yet I've got a five, six-year-old running around. Daddy, daddy, daddy, let's do this. and boys would it be tempting to just hey put your favorite show on the ipad because he certainly would love to do that and it takes extra effort for me to get up off there and go let's go outside and go play but i i see and know the difference and the benefits of that and and yes i and at that moment that's where to me that's that's real parenting is sacrificing in that moment to make that when it's hard it's when it's easy it's easy yeah you're not special it's not you're not special when i i take my kid to play in the pool because it's easy no when it's hard is when you don't want to go i don't want to go out there and i don't want to do that because i'm tired and so i think i think as parents we have we have chosen that path uh and i think i shared this with you guys so many like we had a we i told you one of the last trips we had we had all these kids at our house up in in tahoe and you know there was a lot of the kids had ipad times and and although it wasn't a lot they still let them do it and we've taken it away from max completely and you know max sees all them doing and wants to do it and all it took was katrina and i being like hey do you want to go roast marshmallows outside hey do you want to go you know throw like as soon as we offer to do something outside with him he preferred that but if you but if you continually use the ipad as that tool to entertain them they will eventually crave that more than they will that outside and then you're up a real that's the real challenge is to stay ahead of it right

55:17Justin Andrews:and to understand like, okay, I have to have structure for them and options for them. Like maybe sometimes they're not just going to like all of a sudden think of that themselves. Like if, you know, and again, when they get older, they'll have a better time if you've established that, but you have to establish that for just like anything else.

55:38Sal Di Stefano:I remember watching you do this because you remember, I mean, we've had the Truckee house now for seven years, I think, or something like that, and the boys were much younger. your boys were my son's age yeah back then and i remember when we would get up in the morning when all of our families were there you were like i were going out we're doing like you had to plan the day of physical activities outside and get the boys out right away you were proactive you did and being honest i remember me i'm more chill i want to be lazy kind of sleeping it's my vacation yeah and you were like i gotta i have to go do this i have to go do that and i'm sure inside of you if there was no kids there you would love to sit down i'd love to relax right and do nothing but i know i you know i got to watch that firsthand from you for years of like no this is what i have to do otherwise my boys will want to play video games all day and do nothing that's the other

56:25Adam Schafer:side of it like yeah you could also be at home and say no tv no ipad whatever but you're at home and you're doing and now you have to choose something to do at home meanwhile the temptation of this perfectly engineered device which is engineered to get their attention the engineer who worked on it much smarter than you are, they're next to this temptation. So get out of the house. They're not going to ask for the TV. Why? It's not here. We're at the park. It's not an option. Let's go feed the ducks. Let's go run. Let's go do this other thing. So it's like get out of the temptation that these kids are.

56:59Adam Schafer:Otherwise, it's this battle, and then you're fighting with them, and then they're arguing. Well, you know what's interesting, too,

57:03Sal Di Stefano:is that you trade the convenience temporarily, but you actually make it harder for yourself. Totally. So in a temporary moment. It's actually harder. It is harder. In a temporary moment, it seems like the easier path to just give them that. But then the tantrums, the not going to sleep, the getting up in the middle, all that comes from that. And so it's like you actually think you saved time or you made it easier, but you actually made it harder for yourself because you didn't choose the first hard. You choose, okay, I'll delay, and then you got the hard later. 100%.

57:35Adam Schafer:All right, I got a study on green juices. I didn't even know that these studies existed. I'm going to read this to you. I actually looked this up. So they did a study on how green juices affect things like inflammation. And believe it or not, I'll pull up the study here. Now, this was done on obese women. And so what they did is they gave obese women a juice powder that had greens in them. So very similar to like Organifi's green juice. Okay. There was a 30 % reduction in what's known as protein and lipid oxidation. All right, what is that? Well, proteins and lipids become oxidized and become inflammatory with oxidants.

58:16Adam Schafer:So antioxidants help prevent this. So these are, by the way, these are obese individuals. So it's not necessarily the best demographic. But by simply drinking a green juice, it reduced both of those by 30%, which translates typically to things like, can translate to things like lower heart attack risk, lower pain, better cognitive function. because you don't have this like oxidation going on. No, I'm imagining that's,

58:42Sal Di Stefano:because I know like green juice has ashwagandha, has these other things in it. It's primarily from all the antioxidants from the concentrated fruit.

58:48Adam Schafer:That's right. Concentrated greens. Okay, concentrated greens. Okay. That's right.

58:53Sal Di Stefano:Because I know that like your fruit, your greens, they have a lot of antioxidants. The fact that it's concentrated in a juice, I'm sure you're getting an abundant of that. Yeah. 30-70 % is a massive. From a green juice? That's like an easy supplement.

59:05Adam Schafer:And again, like both of them are associated with heart disease, obesity-related complications, insulin resistance. Now, the authors of the study speculated that this effect is obviously stronger in people that don't have a lot of vegetables and fruit in their diet.

59:22Justin Andrews:Sure.

59:23Adam Schafer:That's how I use the green juice. It's a deficiency. That's how I use the green juice. When my vegetable intake is low, I'll have a green juice. And it looks like it's the right thing to do. If you have any questions or curiosities, are you considering hormone replacement therapy or peptide therapy, go to mphormones.com. The doctors there will help you. And right now, this is the biggest sale I've ever seen. 30 % off everything across the board. 30 % off all peptides. 30 % off your hormone replacement therapy. 30 % off everything right now. Go to mphormones.com. Back to the show. Our first caller is Lauren from Oklahoma.

1:00:01Adam Schafer:Hi, Lauren. How you doing, Lauren? How are you?

1:00:04Justin Andrews:How are you guys?

1:00:05Adam Schafer:Good. We're good. How can I help you?

1:00:08Justin Andrews:I'm just going to get to my question. Okay. I wrote to you guys and I listened to you. I've been listening to you for about a year. I listened to everything you say and do. I love you all three. Justin, you remind me so much of my husband. It's hilarious. But anyway, this is what I wrote. I said, I am a 43 year old woman who is five, seven, and I currently weigh 148 pounds. I have always worked out. I eat healthy. I get in my daily steps, et cetera, et cetera. My issue slash question is that I have taken Phentermine, 37.5 milligrams daily, for almost four years straight, and it has ruined my metabolism.

1:00:43Justin Andrews:While on the medication, I was able to maintain a weight around 120 to 125 pounds, and I felt really good in my clothes and my body. I have been off the medication now for about 14 months, and in my mind, I have ballooned up. I listen to you all on the daily. I follow your advice. I lift I think heavy three to four times a week I walk eight to ten thousand steps a day I try to get in 130 grams of protein daily I watch my calorie intake I track my macros macros um all while raising three kids and working full-time I desperately want to lose 15 to 20 pounds and it is not budging um I want to run back and get another prescription for fenermen but I know that's not the answer.

1:01:26Justin Andrews:So I'm wondering if you guys can help me. And since then, since I wrote this question, I did go get my hormones checked by a hormone doctor. All my hormones were in the normal range, but the testosterone was on the low side. So I did start testosterone cream four weeks ago. And I'll be real honest, I complained about my weight and he did give me semiglutide. So I started on that, the low dose 0.25 milligrams, and I have not lost a pound.

1:01:58Adam Schafer:Okay.

1:01:58Justin Andrews:So nothing has come off.

1:02:00Adam Schafer:Yeah, well, give it some time. Okay, so you stop phentermine, which is boost norepinephrine. So it's kind of like a…

1:02:07Sal Di Stefano:Is that like Thin-Thin?

1:02:08Adam Schafer:Yep, that's what it is. It's a central nervous system stimulant, and it will make you eat less. Semaglutide will do the same as you continue to increase the dose. You'll see that your appetite will drop, and you'll eat less. So that's essentially what happened, right? You were on it. You ate less. You went off of it. You ate more. Now, your body weight for your height is not bad. I don't know what your body fat percentage is.

1:02:32Justin Andrews:I had it checked in April, and it was at 22%.

1:02:36Adam Schafer:You're fine. You were eating too little before then, Lauren. Yeah, I hate to break that to you, but on Fenterman, you were underweight. I don't know.

1:02:46Justin Andrews:I liked being thinner. I'm very soft, and I can't seem to tone up.

1:02:53Adam Schafer:22 % body fat is not soft. But I think what you're talking about, and I get it, is you like to be smaller. But that you were under eating before. And now you're probably eating more appropriate. 22 % is amazing. That's great. Especially if you're strength training and you're getting stronger. That's excellent. Semaglutide is going to help a little bit with insulin sensitivity. You might drop your calories a bit. But what are your calories at, by the way? What are you averaging right now?

1:03:22Justin Andrews:Well, I know what you're going to say. So before I got on the, I mean, anywhere from between 1200 and 1700 a day, I know it's too low. I just don't have the appetite to eat.

1:03:35Sal Di Stefano:So the other thing, too, that I'm concerned about is in here you wrote, too, that you try to hit your 130 grams of protein a day. And then I know that you're taking semiglutide, so I imagine it becomes even more difficult to hit that. And then you also say that you feel soft. And one of the recipes for fixing soft is muscle. Muscle. And if we are not hitting enough protein consistently, even if you are strain training, you're just not going to build muscle. You're not going to build muscle. On under-eating calories and under-eating protein, you're not going to get that firm look that you want.

1:04:16Sal Di Stefano:And so a reverse diet and building muscle would be the focus for you and I. I mean, that's what we would be doing.

1:04:21Adam Schafer:Well, let's go a little deeper, Lauren. um how long have you been let's say been kind of focused on your body uh where you know you're like oh i need to lose weight or i need to change this or how long has that been a focus forever

1:04:35Justin Andrews:i'm 43 and i mean probably since 14 15 can i give you i grew up in the 90s so you know

1:04:43Adam Schafer:the mosses were the end thing back then yeah oh yeah so did i i exactly i get it can i give you

1:04:49Justin Andrews:some like honest uh objective uh feedback yes of course your assessment of how you look is distorted

1:04:58Adam Schafer:it's not accurate so you can't trust the mirror or or to put it differently you can't trust yourself 22 is great body fat percentage if you're getting stronger especially a mama three a mama three at

1:05:12Sal Di Stefano:40 i mean that's yeah i bet if i'm winning you're winning i bet if i asked your husband yeah i bet

1:05:17Adam Schafer:if I asked your kids, I bet if I asked your friends, Hey, does Lauren look fit? They'd be like, Oh my gosh, it looks amazing. Uh, so what you're seeing is not true. And so what we need to work on, if you really want to solve this now, if you want to live the rest of your life, being body focused with the anxiety that goes along with it, um, and all of the other things you're not aware of, see where you're not aware of when you've lived this way for so long is it's negatively affecting all your relationships. It has, it's, it's being placed above things that are more important. So it can probably cause things like anxiety and stress around eating your out around vacation, around examining yourself in the mirror, trying clothes on.

1:05:57Adam Schafer:Oh my God, I don't look good. It's self-consciousness, all that stuff. If you want to, if you want to break free from that, what we're going to have to do is we're going to have to get you to stop looking in the mirror and breaking yourself down. And what we want to do is focus on something, a different metric that is going to move you in the right direction. Strength is probably the best one. I'd like to put you on a program like MAPS Powerlift and I would love for you for the next three months to be hyper-focused on getting stronger at the squat, deadlift, and the bench press. And I'd want you to also simultaneously try to eat more because the truth is you've been eating too little for too long.

1:06:36Sal Di Stefano:I would like to see, if you're open to it i'd like to see you work with corinne our trainer i think she would be incredible for you where you're currently at right now and helping you through this process i think the most challenging part of what sal is saying to you is not the adherence of the stuff per se but more so the psychological game that it plays with your head you start doing some of the right things oh my god i feel like i'm getting fat oh this can't be right or that's right you know and then you bail from the plan and so having a coach uh checking in with you frequently just letting you know like hey lauren you're kicking ass you're doing good we're heading the right track trust the process trust the process i think would be incredibly valuable if you're open to that i'm

1:07:18Adam Schafer:gonna tell you right now your height your weight 22 body fat 43 years you're winning you you're winning you look better than 99.9 percent yeah you look great of women in your age group okay But that doesn't matter what I say. What matters is what you feel about that. So we got to move away from that. And I'm going to tell you, the other end of this is going to be amazing. And you'll have this relationship with fitness and diet that feels free and non-stressful. And then you'll be able to kind of see a little bit more accurately with how you're actually doing. That is what Adam's saying is correct.

1:07:51Adam Schafer:It's going to take a little bit of coaching through this process. But you're doing good, but you could do so much better by increasing calories and getting strong. And that's actually going to give you – That's the body you want. It's going to give you all this incredible benefits.

1:08:05Justin Andrews:I think I've just always been so afraid to increase the calories.

1:08:09Sal Di Stefano:Of course. Of course. It's common. Super common.

1:08:11Adam Schafer:Super common. Yeah, super common.

1:08:12Justin Andrews:That's why you need somebody in your corner for sure. I think a coach would be really good.

1:08:15Adam Schafer:Super, super common, Lauren.

1:08:17Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, yeah. And I want to make it clear that even though like Sal's telling you, you have kind of what we call perception drift of yourself, right? the way you look at yourself it doesn't mean that we can't sculpt and build the body you're you're thinking that you but it's it doesn't start there it starts first with loving yourself where you're currently at understanding what the process looks like being comfortable with the process of reverse like that's you have to get there first so we can go do the things we need to do to then sculpt the body that you have in your mind but it's you getting in your own way on the way to that because you're not allowing yourself to do and that's where the if you're at 22 body fat

1:08:55Adam Schafer:we're eating 12 to 1700 calories uh oh my god we're gonna see some tremendous body sculpting changes if we can just get you to the point where you're able to reverse diet properly with some good strength training and you're gonna feel libido is gonna go through the roof you're gonna sleep really good you're gonna feel really stable and strong in your body um and then a light so it's gonna feel like a light switch at some point you're like oh my god this is amazing. And I feel so free. This is great on top of it. So if you're open to that, we'll have somebody call you at the very least. They'll give you a consultation.

1:09:28Adam Schafer:Um, but okay.

1:09:31Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

1:09:31Adam Schafer:All right. Let's do that. I'm so glad you called in super common. Like you are like, uh, you know, probably 50 % of the clients I work with started in that, in that place.

1:09:40Sal Di Stefano:And just, if you do end up working with Corinne, listen to her. She's amazing. She is amazing. She is great at what she does. Uh, and she will absolutely help you through this. if you let her, but you got to let her.

1:09:52Justin Andrews:Okay. No, I appreciate you guys so much. Everything you say and do, I will listen. I just need that. Someone to keep writing me. This is good.

1:10:00Adam Schafer:I'm excited. Thank you so much, Lauren.

1:10:03Sal Di Stefano:Maybe we'll have you on in a few months. Yeah. I would love to. I'd love to circle back.

1:10:07Adam Schafer:All right. Let's do that. We'll have you on in a few months. Okay. Yeah. Check back in. All right.

1:10:10Justin Andrews:Thanks, Lauren. Have a good day.

1:10:14Adam Schafer:That's a real thing. I mean, I know it personally, but you know, just on the outside, I could always look at someone else and see it very clearly. Um, and you know, 22 % is not soft. No. 22 % is a healthy, lean. It's like ideal fit. Yeah. That's where you want it for a woman between 19 to 22 is like fit and lean, uh, leaner than that. Sometimes you start to get a hormone issues higher than that can look curvier. Uh, you know, below 25 % typically 22 % is amazing. Especially for someone who's 43 years old. Her calories are so low too, which is crazy.

1:10:46Sal Di Stefano:That's why she's not building muscle. No, That's what's happening. She has found herself in a place that's actually keeping her relatively healthy, lean, all the things. But she wants more for her physique, meaning she wants to be tighter, firmer, sculpted. But you can't do that without the nutrients. You can't get there if you don't hit what your body needs calorie-wise and protein-wise consistently. And the reverse diet is what she needs to do in order to do that.

1:11:13Adam Schafer:She'll get up to a nice 22, 2300 calories and feel like, oh, my God.

1:11:17Sal Di Stefano:I feel so good I hope she ends up working with Corrine Corrine will help her a lot Our next caller is James from Oklahoma What's up James? What's happening?

1:11:27Justin Andrews:Hey guys I appreciate you guys taking the time to answer this question I'd actually sent it in a little bit ago And some things have changed a little bit So I'll kind of modify on the fly But I'll just kind of read the question out to you Justin this is kind of more specifically to you Because of the work that you do with high school athletes so I've been listening to Mind Pump for several years I know that Justin is the guy that does most of the training for high school athletes through the years I've done a lot of work with high school athletes and older adults by using Mind Pump programs and podcasts I've been able to make very good progress with a lot of these people but I had someone reach out to me recently about their morbidly obese high school student and I'm at a little bit of a loss here I've worked with hardcore athletes I know that most of the time these coaches have programs in place that I don't want to mess with their programs.

1:12:23I want my stuff to be, through what Justin has said, form, technique, a little bit more specific stuff.

1:12:29Justin Andrews:We don't want to work them really hard. So I do a lot of that kind of stuff, not to overdo their regular sessions in recovery. But with this young man, I had originally put that he was 5 '6", and his dad has estimated him around 350. He's actually around 300. I weighed him last week. um he's five six weighs around 300 pounds and already I'm starting to see a little bit of edema in his arms and his legs and I'm just concerned that this young man is going to have a pretty low quality of life you know if we can't do something and I can't get you know excited about what's going on in the process itself I don't want to overwork him but I also know that he's 15 years old he's going to be a little bit more resilient than some of my older obese people that I'm working with, but kind of how do you think that we need to kind of go along with this?

1:13:19I've got currently, I've used anabolic for numerous people.

1:13:24Justin Andrews:I've got performance split, power lift, bands, and OCR, and I've kind of broke this up for different people. I've got some people that what we've done is we've, I've done anabolic, but I've done it more of a isometric type, asymmetrical, so we'll do left side, right side, we'll split everything up, You know, but I'm just curious as to what your thought would be on how do I get through this? How do I help this young man? Okay. So, and you're working with other obese individuals as well. Yes. And your concern is that he's younger, like 15. Is he also an athlete or is this just like you're trying to help him out with his fitness?

1:14:05Justin Andrews:No, he is not an athlete at all. His parents knew that I worked with some other people. I go to church with his parents and they reached out and I just offered to help him free of charge to get a program in place to kind of help him. He is not currently an athlete. He's a farm kid. He is a very, very strong kid, but it's just a situation to where I'm just trying to figure out, you know, I don't, I'm not worried about overloading him as far as his other activities go. That's, I guess, my biggest concern at this point. So, yeah. Yeah. So you try to find strength because it's really not not much different than, you know, training an adult in that in that situation.

1:14:43Justin Andrews:It's just you're trying to figure out like what to present him in an appropriate way. And so building him up and building up his foundational strength is definitely something that's, you know, I would focus a lot on that and technique and everything else you're doing in terms of like introducing him towards strength training, but then educating him through the process of like really the nutrition side, it has to be a huge conversation that you start kind of planting a lot of seeds with that. So, I mean, I, again, it's, we want to build them up. And so he's building up and gaining muscle and being able to get stronger in the process.

1:15:23Justin Andrews:So that way, you know, as, as we get this nice exchange later on, as he adjusts his calories and we can kind of, you know, build that metabolism up to a place where you can start to really change that over and start burning body fat. But, I mean, it's really like it's no different than what we would address with an adult. But it's just I think for students, you don't want to overwhelm them. And I think you're kind of conscious of that already. So I think, you know, what you're already kind of applying and using MAPS anabolic and introducing him to a lot of those foundational lifts and really teaching that and setting him up for success later on, getting him excited about lifting weights, it's going to kind of take on a life of its own.

1:16:09Justin Andrews:So I just try to plant as many seeds as possible with these student athletes or just students in general to bring that passion there first. So it's not like I'm not treating it like it's this crisis. you know it's more like he's you're inviting him in and you're trying to really like um you know build that passion uh from him and get him to ask more questions and uh so i guess that's that's the approach i would take uh i don't know if you guys have any yeah the fact the fact that you're that

1:16:40Sal Di Stefano:you made the comment that you know he's already kind of strong i would really lean into to that as the conversation like let's get strong at this bend let's get strong with this thing and hey we We've got to hit our protein to make sure you watch what happens when you consistently hit that protein while we also get strong. I think I would communicate a lot to that. And then the other thing I would really pay attention to if you can is do you have any idea what his activity looks like outside of you? Like is his activity, how many steps?

1:17:08Justin Andrews:What I did is I had his parents start. They actually run a firework stand, so they've been super busy for the last few weeks. So I told him, I said, listen, what I would like you to do is whenever you're done with the fireworks stand, I don't want this weird offset time of watching steps. Show me a regular week of what activity looks like, you know, about how many steps we had a day. Are we at 3 ,000, 5 ,000? Then from there, we can start slowly incrementing that. You know, the first thing dad asked me about is what everyone asks about. Well, when should we start running? And I was like, he doesn't want to run.

1:17:41Justin Andrews:Never, you know, especially not at 300 pounds. Yeah. Yeah. James. But we can we can there's ways that we can do cardio without any running, but we can just increase these step counts. So I do have them currently. He had an Apple watch, so he is starting to track his steps for a week or so. I had them just loosely. I was like, well, obviously loosely is OK, but as specific as you can get with what we're eating. You know, can we I don't need you to necessarily weigh anything right now, but if you can tell me, well, I had a cup of mashed potatoes and two chicken breasts and this and this for dinner.

1:18:14Justin Andrews:and give us a ballpark idea of what those calories look like, that's going to get us a good start to kind of what we're doing moving forward.

1:18:22Adam Schafer:Well, here's what's most important, James, because you have a very unique opportunity with a 15-year-old. And that opportunity is can I help this kid develop a relationship with fitness and nutrition that he does for the rest of his life? That's more important than what you do in the workout. It's more important than the exercises. It's more important than the diet, the specifics. So what you're going to try to do is become a mentor to him. And more important than anything is can you make it enjoyable? Yeah. Now, you know what that typically looks like for a 300-pound 15-year-old? Does he enjoy hanging out with you?

1:19:00Adam Schafer:Yeah. That's more important than the workout. A lot of chopping it up. Does he like coming to see James? And, oh, man, James, he's a mentor. Man, I like to ask him questions about talking to girls and my friends and school. And then you know what ends up happening without realizing it. He develops a relationship with fitness that is positive. And you end up becoming this mentor for him. I have several clients I worked with who were young kids like this were obese. One of them became a personal trainer eventually. And, but now he came to me because his parents forced him to work out with me. And I remember one of our first workouts, he told me he was embarrassed to take his shirt off at the pool.

1:19:39Adam Schafer:Now this kid eventually became a personal trainer and eventually became a top trainer. uh, at the company that I worked at. Uh, but, but it's, he hated working out. Why did he hate working out? I would hate working out if I was 300 pounds and you're making me do stuff that I suck at. Nobody likes doing that. So what it looked like when you'd show up was we're hanging out high five. Okay, let's do this exercise. It's kind of moderate intensity. And then in between sets, we're having conversations. And then you know what happened? Second workout. We do that exercise again. We're having a conversation.

1:20:08Adam Schafer:I'd say, Hey, by the way, John, Last week, you did five of these. Guess how many you just did. I don't know because he wasn't counting because we're hanging out. You did eight. I did eight? Yeah, you did three more. Do you know what that means, John? No, no. What does that mean? You are not the same person today as you were last week. You are fundamentally a different person. And you watch their face light up. Like, oh, my God. I'm not the same person. Yeah, you did five last time. You did eight. In fact, it was easier to do eight than you did five last week. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, that's crazy.

1:20:34Adam Schafer:You know what the best part is? This is going to keep happening. This is exciting. And so the most important thing you could do is mentor this kid to have a relationship with this where he enjoys it. If you do that, the rest is easy. Now, if the focus is on what we're doing and you got to do the reps and you got to count your steps and watch what you eat and it becomes this thing that he doesn't enjoy, then the odds that he's going to stick to it are very low. But the unique opportunity is if he figures this out now, it'll stick with the rest of his life.

1:21:03Justin Andrews:Yeah, I think too, and you mentioned you kind of talked to him about calories. I think the simplicity is, you know, and so we talk about trying to focus more just on whole foods and like hitting your protein targets. And so just, just kind of like asking prodding questions and it protein related. So he has an idea of like portion sizes and all that kind of stuff based on, you know, what he's consuming. But did you, were we able to accomplish our protein goal for today?

1:21:33Adam Schafer:and that's like the entire conversation it might even look like this james just to scale it back uh because i'm getting memories now this was a long time ago i worked with this kid but it looked like this hey uh did you eat the did you eat the four eggs before i work out yep and i would just tell him something specific like that hey for breakfast i want you to eat uh four ground meat today you know exactly pack that and eat that first i don't care what else you eat and i would say that literally i don't give i don't care what else you eat just eat this just eat this before you come and work out and we just start there and then you know what he did I don't remember it was like a few months later he'd come to me and say hey I think I'm going to cut out soda great idea let's do that and then he would do that oh my god it was amazing this kid lost so much weight and then I stopped training with me and then I saw him years later and he was a personal trainer it was amazing but it's really about this relationship so if he looks up to you if you played sports as a kid you remember those coaches that were like mentors to you if you can become that for this kid it's going to be great

1:22:31Sal Di Stefano:number one yeah that's number one number one be liked by him right be liked loved by him number two if i can get the kid to increase protein and get excited about one or two lifts you're winning done you're literally you're literally winning right and then he'll do it himself exactly if i can if i can just excite him about his bench presser squad or whatever he's already probably good at and excite him about getting stronger there and and connect the dots that hitting protein takes going to serve that goal and then the and he just likes seeing me i

1:23:00Adam Schafer:And then he gets one comment from a kid that's like, hey, damn, you're strong.

1:23:04Sal Di Stefano:You're looking different.

1:23:05Justin Andrews:If you can communicate with the parents, too, and really give them ideas, especially food-wise, so you're not inundating him specifically about all these food options. It's just like—

1:23:16Adam Schafer:Here's what you do with parents of a teenager that you're working with. This is what you say to them. Hey, Dad, I don't want you to say anything about this. Let me handle it. Don't do nothing. Now, when you guys cook food for each other, for yourselves, if you want to make it healthier, I'll give you some ideas, but don't ask him about what he's eating. Don't ask him about his walking and running. Don't do anything because teenagers hate listening to their parents. And if the parents start to push on him, he's going to want to move in the other direction. So you're the guy. So what you tell the parents is, dad, let me handle this.

1:23:46Adam Schafer:Don't bring it up. Don't ask any questions. Just say nothing. If he says something to you, just be curious. Oh, really? What's that like? How's that feel? But do nothing else. Let me handle the rest. Here's what it is with a kid. There's as much coaching for the parents as there is for the kid when you're working through this because they're obviously the ones running the household. And usually it looks like don't mess up what I'm doing is what you want to say. Does that make sense?

1:24:11Justin Andrews:Yeah, it does make sense. Dad was actually, he even told me, he said, listen, if I need to go along with you guys, work out with you guys to encourage whatever I need to do along with this. Dad had bariatric surgery, I think about five or six years ago. I believe mom had bariatric surgery a few years ago. That's right. So it's a, it's a larger family. Um, it's got a, you know, I've, I actually, uh, when you talked about the mentorship aspect of it, you know, I'm actually his youth minister. So I have been for several years. So that kind of helps a little bit. This is great.

1:24:41Adam Schafer:And James, okay. So, so you understand the, the power of grace. So he's going to need a lot of that in this journey because he's, he's going to want to shame. He's going to run into, run into these shame spirals. Every time he messes up, he's going to mess. Everybody does. So you're going to be the one to show him that grace. Oh, that's all right. That's normal. Everybody screws up. Not a big deal. And then let's enjoy the workout type of deal. If dad comes along and you notice that dad is trying to coach or be a little overbearing, then it's not a good idea. So if you know the dad really well and you can say, probably not a good idea, it might be better that he's not there.

1:25:16Adam Schafer:But if dad is like going to let you coach dad at the same time and just sit back and let you do your thing, then that's perfectly fine. Yeah, it's good bonding for him for sure.

1:25:24Justin Andrews:And that was my biggest thing is, you know, what I've done with most people. I've had my wife, I've been on here once before about her. You know, she's lost since Saturday. We started with anabolic, went through performance. We've bounced back and forth between those two for a while. She's down about 58, 59 inches, you know, overall, you know, strength dramatically increased. And that's what I've done with most of the people because men, if you're in this age group, and women if you're in my age group you don't have to work out six days a week listen to these guys because it does work but um two or three days a week is plenty so i didn't know for sure about starting with anabolic or if i needed to do like a master starter type program or anything like that

1:26:07Adam Schafer:sorry are you saying just go ahead and roll with anabolic no i think anabolic basics but we'll send you map starter yeah just in case if you need to regress yeah you're gonna feel that out better

1:26:16Sal Di Stefano:than us and don't it it is like to sal's earlier point the workout is like the least important part of this entire thing if a whole workout is you guys hanging out chopping it up and all you did was bench press for the hour that's a win that's it if he's into bench press and he likes it and he likes seeing himself you could spend the whole hour on that you can rest five minutes between and just talking to him and that right there is is moving the needle in the right direction with this kid besides trying to or aside from trying to like add all this stuff and like what's ideal we're not there. Like, let's get him excited about getting strong and hitting his protein shake.

1:26:48Sal Di Stefano:Get him passionate, yeah. And I think that's going to move the needle the most.

1:26:52Justin Andrews:Perfect. Well, man, I really appreciate your guys' input. This will help a bunch. And I love what you guys are doing. You guys have helped me tremendously. And every person that I work with, I'm using Matt's programs for. And it seems like it just never slows down a little bit. They're always asking questions. So I really, really appreciate what you guys are doing. Thank you, James. Thank you, James. Doing great work, man. I appreciate you.

1:27:14Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, keep it up, dude. I love that question.

1:27:17Justin Andrews:That's the stuff that makes me feel good.

1:27:19Adam Schafer:It does. You know, this is what all trainers need to understand this, because what we said about the relationship aspect with fitness with the kid is true for adults, too. Yep. When you get a client, now oftentimes with a client, you need to be a little bit more specific. They're more tolerant of maybe more guidelines. Not always, but sometimes, often. But also with the client, the typical client has not had a fitness, consistency at all in their life. They eat like whatever. And so number one goal with the trainers, can I help them develop a good relationship with this? And if you do that, they're there forever.

1:27:52Adam Schafer:If you don't do that, you can have the best workout in the world and you fail.

1:27:55Sal Di Stefano:It sounds crazy to think this, but if I could only get him excited about one or two lifts, that might be the only thing we ever really do. That's right. It's a huge win, though.

1:28:04Adam Schafer:Huge.

1:28:04Sal Di Stefano:Like if he just gets...

1:28:05Adam Schafer:Especially a 15-year-old, then he's going to stun.

1:28:07Sal Di Stefano:He just gets excited about getting strong in a lift. I am completely focusing on that. Like everything we do. And if we do anything else, it's to support getting stronger at that and getting him.

1:28:18Adam Schafer:Like you feel like an example of that, Adam would be like, he's somehow naturally strong at bench press. So he's going to fall in love with that. Yeah. One of those he's going to grab every once in a while. We'll do a couple of things over here and there. Just keep you healthy, but let's get you strong at the bench. Cause he loves it. Our next caller is Betty from Utah.

1:28:32Justin Andrews:Hey, welcome back. Hi guys. Good to see you guys again. How are you? Good. Can you hear me? Okay. I've got my headphones in. I want to make sure you can hear me.

1:28:41Adam Schafer:Now, if I recall, we have your notes up here. I do remember you. You had a really rapid weight gain in a short period of time. And you went to go get your hormones checked, see what was going on. Do you have results? Yes, I do.

1:28:53Justin Andrews:Yeah. So I just have to tell you guys something that was really wild that happened. So I submitted my question on Monday. I got the email to be on your show on Tuesday asking if I could be on it on Wednesday. day so it was like very quick and um so something interesting happened i was like yes i'd love to be on the show i called my mom i was super excited and um so we had the show and it was great and i later found out that uh my father passed away the day that i called you guys um i'm sorry and no that's okay but so my mom she didn't tell me till after because she wanted like this to go well and i just wanted to say thank you for there was something serendipitous that happened that day that made me talk to you guys that day and i don't think without the hive speaking to you guys that day i would have made it through the rest of my day so i just want to say something happened i talked to you on that day for a reason so thank you and thank you for having me back okay betty

1:29:59Adam Schafer:Thanks. How can we help you?

1:30:01Justin Andrews:Thank you. So I got my results back and my blood was really super healthy, but my hormones were totally out of whack. Um, my estrogen is super high. My testosterone is very, very low and my progesterone is low. So I got my protocol and I'm on, um, 0.08 of testosterone injections once a week and I have progesterone but I don't take it yet because I take it on days 14 through 28 of my cycle and I'm taking DHEA and my thyroid hormone so I've been doing so I've been doing that I'm almost to two weeks it'll be two weeks on Friday since I've started everything.

1:30:52Adam Schafer:Okay, so with the progesterone, I'm assuming you take it before bed?

1:30:56Justin Andrews:I would, yes. I haven't started taking it yet because my cycle hasn't got there yet. But yes, I'll be taking it before bed.

1:31:02Adam Schafer:It's good news, though. Yeah, this is good. So you're on, it sounds like eight milligrams of testosterone, if I'm not mistaken. The progesterone will help with things like calmness, anxiety. The thyroid will have the biggest impact on aesthetics. it'll have the biggest impact on weight uh now two weeks two weeks in what you're probably just going to notice from thyroid is energy but give it about give it about 45 to 60 days uh if everything else is the same then you'll start to see weight on the scale uh go down okay cool and

1:31:37Justin Andrews:um so i kind of did like while i was waiting to get my blood work and everything back because i had to get my blood work done doing my load my luteal phase and i was in my luteal phase like when i talked to you guys i had to wait a whole month for that to come around so so i've only been doing my hormones for like i said about two weeks almost two weeks and so far what i've noticed is like my anxiety and my stress is like gone yeah i didn't notice how bad it really was until I don't have it anymore. And so that's been amazing. So I got to say, you know, kudos and thank you because I went to my doctor and like I said, she was like, well, if you're having your normal cycles, your hormones are probably fine, but they were not.

1:32:29Justin Andrews:So I want to say thank you. But so that's the biggest thing I've noticed so far. And I kind of, I did a, I did MAPS 15, but I kind of like modified it a little bit. And so I've been working really on getting my calories up. I'm at about 2000 right now. I get anywhere from like 150 to 170 grams of protein. And so I'm doing really good. I feel like my strength's gone up quite a bit, But it was like, so today I weighed myself when I was 150 pounds and I was 146 when I talked to you guys. But my body fat percent has gone down by like 1.5%. Great. Since we talked to you. So.

1:33:19Adam Schafer:Yeah. So here's what you'll, so I'd say stay the course. The hormones for when that starts to kick in is usually around in terms of like what you really see. Because right now you're feeling it, right? The testosterone is probably helping with the anxiety. You haven't even started the progesterone yet. Wait till you start that. You're probably going to feel really good when you get that. And the thyroid. The thyroid is probably giving you a little energy, probably a little bit more energy. But what you'll notice about month three is then your body is going to change as the hormones really start to work.

1:33:51Adam Schafer:Now, the testosterone, the strength is going to start kicking in. If it hasn't already, you'll probably start to feel it week three, week four. but by like I said 90 days uh is when you'll start to see just like whoa what's going on my body's like changing and I'm keeping everything the same um okay so yeah you're moving in the right direction I think you're moving the right direction stay the course I don't think you need to do anything drastic with diet you can kind of stay the course keep strength training stay active be patient uh people think when they go on hormones that overnight their body changes it takes it takes like three to six months for that i mean you feel different relatively quickly but the visual changes to the body take between three to six months for most people so stay the

1:34:32Sal Di Stefano:course this is all great news totally this is all really good news and i appreciate you coming on and sharing because i feel like this happens to so many female clients of mine that i've had where you know they see a general practitioner and they're like oh cycle's fine you should be fine you're young you're healthy you're good and it's like and then you go do a deep dive on your hormones go oh shit look at where my estrogen just like and that makes a huge difference on your ability to build muscle and burn body fat which you know and then also the anxiety of you know so it's just awesome to hear that you got it checked that we know that that's what the what it is and it will it's just going to get better from here so keep doing stay the course yep be patient um and it's going to continue to get better thank you um yeah thank you for having

1:35:16Justin Andrews:me on because I do want to show women that like you're not crazy your hormones might just be out of whack and it's kind of become like my tagline like if somebody is like acting crazy or like you know having issues or something I'm like maybe they need to get their hormones checked but it's helped me so much already in these last two weeks like my husband's even like you're not crying all the time anymore like you're like everybody's noticed a huge difference and I especially have and it's like I'm a totally different person I feel like I'm balanced and normal instead of like running hot like I used to so it's been it's been awesome and I have noticed all of a sudden within this last week my strength like I feel like my bench I was kind of stuck at a where I was at like 165 I just could not get any any higher than that so I started focusing more on benching with dumbbells and like incline bench instead of just normal flat bench and my incline bench with the bar went up from my PR was 135 it's now 145 and I can rep like two or three was 135 and yesterday with dumbbells on in-time bench I used 50 pound dumbbells and I was able to get nine and I've never been able to do that before so all of a sudden it's like things are starting to kick up like kick in and ramp up and it's actually like really fun to be like things are changing so it's it's been really it's been a wild a couple of months but it's been it's

1:37:01Adam Schafer:been really good betty do you know that you're hella strong do you realize that yeah you know

1:37:07Justin Andrews:what i kind of i kind of do but in my gym i'm pretty much like the only woman that's in the weight room and so when i see people lifting it's all dudes and it's like of course it's a dumb comparison but it's but that's just who my peers are you know and so i've never it's nice to hear

1:37:28Adam Schafer:I've never had a female client incline 135. If you have ever thought about competing in powerlifting, I think you'd do well. If you don't have our powerlift program, I'll send that to you.

1:37:39Justin Andrews:Powerlift? I think I do, actually.

1:37:42Adam Schafer:Okay. You would do well.

1:37:43Justin Andrews:I either have powerlift or I have strength. I don't remember which one. I have one of the two.

1:37:48Adam Schafer:We'll check. If you don't, we'll send it to you. Because with a 135 in Clyde, I think he would smoke most women in the competition, at least in bench press.

1:37:57Justin Andrews:It's pretty fun. I don't know. I love it. So shortly after we talked, I listened to your episode about body types and endomorph, ectomorph, mesomorph, whatever. And I was like, I am 100 % an endomorph. Like I'm the person, I feel like I can build strength and build muscle, but my body doesn't get smaller. It just gets bigger. But it's like, and so when you guys said, you know, really lean into the strength and stuff, I really, I'm listening and I'm eating and I'm trying. And I feel like I've finally broken through that wall that I had. So it's been this last, and it's so crazy because it's just two weeks, but these last two weeks I've noticed a big difference already.

1:38:42Justin Andrews:So I'm excited to see in 90 days or so, you know, what really happens.

1:38:48Adam Schafer:Awesome. Yeah. Thank you so much. Thank you for the update. Thank you so much.

1:38:52Justin Andrews:Thank you. And also, do you guys check the trainer forum often?

1:38:57Adam Schafer:Sometimes if you tag us, especially. Okay.

1:39:00Justin Andrews:Okay. If I have any questions, I'll just reach out to you there. But thanks for having me back on. I hope this helps women everywhere. I hope at least one woman hears this and decides to get checked and figure things out.

1:39:12Adam Schafer:Thank you so much. Thank you, Betty. Okay.

1:39:15Justin Andrews:Thank you. Have a good day, guys.

1:39:16Adam Schafer:Bye-bye. I'm convinced, convinced that a significant percentage of women who've been prescribed SSRIs or enzolytic medications right around the ages of between 35 and 40s is because of the paramenopausal, menopausal changes in hormones. Yep. And most general practitioners or, you know, typical doctors are trained in using those medications to deal with those symptoms. They're not trained in using hormones to deal with those symptoms. And we could talk about the reasons why. But so often this happens where you get a woman, they're like, I feel like I'm going crazy. I have all this anxiety. I don't know what's happening.

1:39:58Adam Schafer:My body's storing body fat in my belly. And the doctor's like, oh, you need a low dose of Zoloft or you need Xanax or whatever. When it could be just like a little progesterone, a little testosterone. Oh, I feel back to normal.

1:40:11Justin Andrews:Our next caller is Michael from Colorado. Michael, what's up, dude? Hey, what's up, Mikey? Hey, what's up, guys? Good to see you, man. Long time caller, first time listener. Yeah.

1:40:20Adam Schafer:If people don't know, you did improv work with us back in the day, help us get better at podcasting.

1:40:26Sal Di Stefano:You are the main reason Justin doesn't suck. Yeah. Thanks for the audience so they know. Started out sucking.

1:40:35Adam Schafer:I'll take full credit.

1:40:36Sal Di Stefano:I'll take full credit.

1:40:37Adam Schafer:How you doing, man?

1:40:38Justin Andrews:How can we help you? Good. You know, I'm just going to jump right into the question that I wrote. First off, great to see you guys. I wanted you to know how much I appreciate everything you're doing, which is part of the reason why I'm calling you because I want to share something I'm struggling with and would appreciate your thoughts on. Thanks to your podcast, Sal's book, and the programs that I've got from you guys. I feel like I have more than enough information to make better life choices, but I'm running up against something that I think a lot of people, especially men, have a problem with.

1:41:08Justin Andrews:And the thing that I'm finding extremely hard to do as a man in today's society is admit that I need help and then ask others for that help. So it seems for me, it seems like it's something that guys are just kind of programmed into believing. and one of the things I admired about you guys over the years is how you role model strong masculine characteristics and have allowed us as fans to come along that journey with you and I wondered how you managed to work through the stigma and social pressure to kind of be a man and just handle your stuff especially in a field where there's such a stigma and social pressure

1:41:41Adam Schafer:to fit the ideal macho dude stereotype wow so that's great good question I just turned I just

1:41:49Justin Andrews:the same promise to myself this year that I made every year before. Eat better, hit the gym, follow a program. You guys, I'm sure you know the drill because you hear it all the time. But this year, you guys inspired me to admit that if I'm going to have a chance of success, I need help with this whole thing. And I need to hire a trainer. For me, it's never been a matter of money that prevented me from getting a trainer. It was being embarrassed that I really didn't know what to do. I even have access to guys who are experts at fitness and training like you guys. But I didn't ask anybody for help.

1:42:20Justin Andrews:So coupled with not knowing who to ask or where to find them, I fall into old patterns, which eventually lead to sitting on the couch with a bag of Doritos, to be quite honest. And the wild part of this for me is I've really admired you guys and how you ask each other for help and how you show support to each other. But when I think of asking for help, I feel like I'm weak or that I failed. I'm breaking some kind of macho guy code. And I'm curious how you guys approach a the challenge of recognizing you're in a situation where you need help and be identifying the best resource and getting over the hurdle of asking people for help oh man

1:42:56Adam Schafer:yeah what a good question great question uh well first off good friends uh and and this is i think this is true mostly for men if you have good buddies uh yeah they will they'll tell you yeah when you when you're coming right to it they'll tell you when you're messing up and if you respect them, which you, if they're your friends, you do, um, then it's okay. See, see, there's a myth that men don't follow advice. That's not true. Uh, we just need to respect the person we get it from. And when we do, we follow very well. Like you get a guy with a mentor, a coach, uh, you know, a boss or whatever that they respect.

1:43:35Adam Schafer:Like they are like, I'm, I'm following. So it just, that's part of it. The other part of it is, uh, we were put in a unique situation as trainers. You know, we all got into training at early ages. Uh, we loved what we did. We really wanted to help people. And if you really want to help somebody in our field, I think this is true for a lot of fields like this, but in our field, if you really want to help people over the years, you start to figure out what works and what doesn't. And what we all kind of realized was the more authentic and vulnerable we were, the more our clients trusted us and we were able to help them.

1:44:09Adam Schafer:And so it just kind of trained it in us. I know it did. I know it did for me. You know, I, I tell the story of this young girl I trained early on who, uh, had, had just battled anorexia and she had come out of the hospital. Her parents hired me to train her. I met with her therapist. We, you know, got a little coaching and I remember in our first session, you know, something came over me and I said, Hey, I know what it's like to have body dysmorphia. And she looked at me like I was crazy. I said, well, it's the opposite. I said, it's the opposite of you. I said, I force feed myself. And, And I remember that moment was just like crazy shift.

1:44:40Adam Schafer:Like she automatically like trusted me and I became much more effective. And I had a lot of situations like that. The more honest and vulnerable I was with my clients, the more they trusted me and the more effective I was. And so because I cared so much about them, it trained that in me. And I know Adam and Justin had similar experiences.

1:44:59Sal Di Stefano:Similar, but I have such a different reason for my, I've been asked this a lot and I thought about it a lot. And when I go back, like, why is that? Like, we have a bunch of shit going on in the business right now. And, like, I'm so quick to pick the phone up and ask a bunch of other people, how do I do this? I can't solve this. I'm having a problem. And so, for me, it's something that I've tied to with business success. As a young entrepreneur, I've studied a lot of the most, you know, wildly successful people in the world. and something that they all seem to have in common is the speed at which they can solve a problem.

1:45:36Sal Di Stefano:And they get to the answer as fast as possible. Now, the reality is in life, you're going to run into so many things you don't have the answers to. And so I always ask myself, like, who do I know that has this answer for me or could answer this question better than I could? And I'm so quick to humble myself and go, I don't know how to do this. Or can you help me do this? Or do you know somebody and get to the answer as quick as possible and then commit to it? I mean, that is something that I admire in people that I've met that are really, really successful. Even though they're incredibly confident in who they are, they're also humble enough to reach out or ask somebody else for help when they need it in order to get the answers.

1:46:19Sal Di Stefano:And so I've trained myself to do that at a pretty young age. And it is something that I practice. And I think mine was more connected to the, the trying to be successful at business. Uh, why I, I fell into that,

1:46:34Adam Schafer:Adam, I think you've identified, uh, being strong with being, uh, uh, the, the guy that can find other people that'll help. So that makes you feel, you know what I mean?

1:46:44Sal Di Stefano:Or just get to the answer.

1:46:45Adam Schafer:Right. Yeah. Right. So that's the identity rather than I have the answers. The identity is I can find the answers.

1:46:49Sal Di Stefano:Yes.

1:46:50Adam Schafer:Yeah.

1:46:50Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. And so, I mean, so yeah, I think that's probably why I've been able to do that. so successfully is I'm open to that.

1:46:59Justin Andrews:Well, yeah. That's a great switch up of perspective because like, as opposed to the idea that I kind of buy into, which is, you know, as a strong man, I don't need help. Like I'm going to solve this problem myself, you know? So I buy the book and I read, you know, I read Sal's book cover to cover and now I've got all that information. So, you know, as a strong man, I feel like I've got the information now as a strong man, I can solve my problem, but you're flipping it and saying strength is admitting, admitting that you need help and, and reaching out for the help. So that's, that's flipping it on its head.

1:47:36Sal Di Stefano:Right. I'm going to go straight to the smartest person. I mean, literally I was just dealing with this right before we got on this call with you, like trying to get a, I'm looking for a lawyer that can do something very specific. And I'm like, I sent like 10 messages out between yesterday and today to people I know that probably have access to that person that could coach me on how I need to draft this letter. And it's like, I got no problem. But I know, I bet you out of those 10, someone is going to be awesome. And then now I feel like once I get taught from that person, it is a bit of mine. Like, okay, now I get it.

1:48:08Sal Di Stefano:Next time I have that problem, I will know the answer. But I don't know the answer right in this moment. I'm going to find it. And I'm on a mission right now as fast as I can to get that help from somebody else. And so, yeah, reframing it more like that as do I have a contact that is the best in this field or this thing to help me with this. And then if I help get help one time, like literally hold my hand through this process, I'll probably know how to do it next time. And I feel like with you, that's us, right? To you in this situation is just like, hey, I know these guys that are really fucking good at this stuff.

1:48:40Sal Di Stefano:Like, let me get to them right away and see what they tell me I need to do, you know?

1:48:46Justin Andrews:Yeah. I think, I mean, I could relate a lot to what Adam's talking about, mainly from like an athletic perspective too, because, you know, and two, to your point, like we don't ask for help. And for me, that was a big struggle and a big shift and transition that I had to learn. And I've learned everything the hard way. And it's just part of the experience of I'm going to go drill this. I'm going to go try and practice this as much as possible by myself. And you get to the conclusion that if I don't ask for help, I'm not going to advance. I'm not going to grow. I'm not going to move to a new place.

1:49:20Justin Andrews:I'm not going to change because you're running old patterns and you're just continuously running with what you know. Other people know more than you. And so for me to really humble myself and then start bringing people in and create accountability and create groups around me and mentors, that was a humongous shift for me. And then it's like, everybody that wants to grow and succeed needs people, needs other people. You're not going to do this by yourself. So, yeah. And then, too, I learned a lot from my clients as well, just in order to convey and communicate, to be able to be vulnerable and admit, you know, I have these flaws.

1:50:02Justin Andrews:I have the same struggles. I have a lot of these things in common. In that common human experience, a lot of people struggle with this. So to just like admit that and release it is really liberating.

1:50:15Adam Schafer:Yeah, you know what's cool, Michael? There's some interesting data, I think, that connects to this. Now, it goes to religion, but there's a much bigger conversation around this. And I was looking up data on, in particular, religion, how you influence your family. And it's really fascinating in regards to men, in particular. if a father is the first person to uh become a christian let's say versus the mother or versus one of the children the odds that the rest of the family will follow is significantly different so here's what the data shows if it's mom 30 something percent that the rest of the family will follow if it's dad it's over 90 percent now i heard arthur brooks communicate this and he said one of the reasons for this is when you're a kid dad is the biggest strongest guy and then you see him kneel down to somebody else and that has a powerful impact.

1:51:09Adam Schafer:Then there's other data surrounding this, which is the most effective parents in terms of getting their children to follow their faith. What do they do differently? And it's the parents that apologize to their kids genuinely the most. And then if you look at the sub data, it's the dads. So which dads are most effective with their kids, it's the dads that go to the kids and say, humble themselves and say, hey, buddy, I'm sorry. I shouldn't have yelled that way. And who do that regularly. So where am I going with this? Male strength, true masculinity comes from that. It doesn't come from doing everything.

1:51:47Adam Schafer:It comes from the confidence that flows from being humble. So it's a bit of a a myth that masculine strength is having all the answers. That guy is not strong. That guy has, that guy's a bit insecure. The guy that's strong is the guy that goes, Hey, I don't know how to do this. Can you give me a hand? That's, that's the strong guy. Yeah.

1:52:07Justin Andrews:Yeah. You know, and I think it's, I think it's ironic that, um, like I really buy into the concept. Like if someone asked me for help, I'm so excited to help them. And I really want to be there and help my buddies out, but flip the coin and I don't want to inconvenience my buddies. Yeah. Does that make sense? Absolutely.

1:52:23Sal Di Stefano:Well, I mean, look at this situation. We, we reached out for help from you. How many years ago you're just now getting, getting to us. Maybe you guys are a lot smarter than I am. That's for sure. No, but you're right.

1:52:37Justin Andrews:You're right though. Like, like when I, on my 60th birthday, I'm sitting there thinking like, I'm making the same resolution to myself that I make every year. but then I thought like who are the who are the smartest freaking guys that I know in this arena and it's you guys so it it it's a little it's a little bit embarrassing reaching out to guys that you look up to and respect to say hey I need some help like I can't control this or I can't figure this I can't figure this puzzle out but then it's it's like you said you know Adam and Justin both like humbling yourself and reaching out and saying, I can't do this is the only way to get past it.

1:53:16Justin Andrews:Right. Yeah. I respect you more now. Yeah.

1:53:19Sal Di Stefano:And I also think, Mike, just, you know, give yourself some grace here, too. Like, I actually think it's one of the more difficult things because it's it's it's science. It's human physiology. It's psychology. It's like you're tackling all those monsters when you're in pursuit of building the body the physique or the thing that you want to do it's not just x's and o's it's not just do these exercises or just eat this thing it's like man why do i have these behaviors why do i have challenges i mean boy it really forces you to solve a lot of different issues not as simple as so like i can get anybody to really introspect that has crazy discipline to just do these things for the next eight weeks and they'll see some sort of change but if you're trying to make lifelong behavioral changes there's a massive psychology piece to this that unwinding that boy having a professional who can help you do that is paramount to your success very few people can just go solve it on their own a lot of a lot of people think they can no the data shows it but they don't and and so being able to reach out to somebody who's really good at this and say hey you know what like i think i need to hire you for a while to to just you know be that be that voice in my head for the next six months and see what a difference that makes.

1:54:37Sal Di Stefano:Oh man, it's a, it's a, it's a world of a difference.

1:54:40Justin Andrews:Yeah. I'm a hundred percent down with that. And something Sal said resonated with me too, about a faith based community. Like that's one of the first steps in a faith based community is acknowledging that you're helpless and there's a power higher than you that you need to ask for help.

1:54:55Adam Schafer:Right. Exactly. Right. That's the, that's the key. That's the crux of it all. stone of it all.

1:55:01Justin Andrews:So you're, and, and if you're in that community, you're surrounding yourself with other, other men who have made that same commitment and have that same acknowledgement of, I need to ask for help from a higher power, which translates also to, Hey, I don't know how to fix this carburetor, but somebody I know does, and I'm going to humble myself and ask them how. Totally. That's right.

1:55:22Adam Schafer:The greatest, one of the greatest sins is pride. Yeah. And that leads to all the others typically. So a hundred percent.

1:55:28Sal Di Stefano:makes sense yeah well let us get one of our guys on you mikey we'll have somebody call yeah yeah

1:55:33Justin Andrews:yeah please please have somebody call me because the the the one of the main reasons i reached out to you guys is um i made the commitment on my 60th birthday that i'm gonna hire a trainer but then i i thought about it i'm like like i so respect and appreciate the programs that you guys run that i don't want to just you know go onto facebook marketplace and hire some trainer who doesn't, you know, subscribe to the same belief system that you guys do and kind of are approaching it from a holistic and full wellness perspective, not just bulk. No, 100%. Glad you did. We got good people. Yeah, yeah.

1:56:08Sal Di Stefano:Let us, we got you, bro.

1:56:10Justin Andrews:We'll take care of you. All right. I love it, man. Thanks, guys. I appreciate everything you do. And by the way, I would have really appreciated if you dropped off the quality for a couple of months, at least after I left. But you guys are, you guys are killing it, man. I love it. I love everything you're doing. Appreciate it, Mike. Thanks, brother. You're awesome, man.

1:56:26Adam Schafer:Thanks, guys. Take care, man. It was good to hear from him. Oh, yeah. Yeah, people don't know that, right? That's that guy. Before our podcast, it was a period. How long did we work with him for? Was it a year? Yeah, at least a year. About a year. He's an improv coach, and he would do these improv exercises with us to improve, to help our skills with communicating on the podcast.

1:56:45Justin Andrews:Yeah, tick up in our flow, for sure.

1:56:46Adam Schafer:Yeah, and it was fun.

1:56:47Justin Andrews:He's a very talented guy, really.

1:56:49Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, he's a great guy. Yeah, no, I mean, this was Doug's relationship. a classic example of the question he's asking we all look to each other listen we can get better at this craft right where are we missing our flow our communication and doug's like listen improv coaches are great for that you know that ability to think on the fly and do that stuff and flow with each other is that's a major skill i know a guy so doug reached out brought him in-house and yeah once a week we used to meet with him before we podcast we do all these weird improv yeah yeah they were fun they were funny they were fun and really good at the end and uh i i definitely got a lot of value uh from it and shoot we probably would i think he he moved is why we stopped right exactly yeah we probably would have been still doing it because even after we had learned a lot of the basics from him we still felt the value of having that coach um just continue to push us in that direction and so yeah kudos to mike and love hearing that i didn't i didn't know if he had really continued on being a fan of the show.

1:57:47Sal Di Stefano:It sounds like he's been listening pretty religiously, so that's cool. That's awesome. Yeah, it's really cool.

1:57:52Adam Schafer:Look, if you like Mind Pump, check us out on Instagram. Justin is at Mind Pump Justin. I'm at Mind Pump DeStefano. Adam? Mind Pump Adam.

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