2671: Ten Awesome Unexpected Benefits of Exercise

15:26Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. I think if more people understood, it's like, no, just go do one exercise. Go do three sets of something or just go for a walk.

15:32Adam Schafer:Or do toe raises while you're sitting down.

15:35Sal Di Stefano:Or move your arm around. That's the key is to do just a little bit of something. movement related and then we can build on that it does not have to be this drenched in sweat sore as hell you know limping out of the gym workout i can only imagine how difficult that would be to get up to one i don't want to do that and i'm not depressed you know i'm saying like imagine somebody who feels like that that thinks that that's what they need to go do movement

16:00Adam Schafer:encourages movement so just consider that and by the way i have a lot of empathy for uh when people say that i had a i've had a couple clients that work in the mental health field and we would talk about this and they were my clients, right? So they felt firsthand the benefits of exercise because before they had worked with me, it wasn't something they had done regularly. And what they would say is, because they would incorporate in the practice, what they would say is, you know, what I do now is I'll use, if I need to, I'll use the medications to give them just enough to get up to go exercise.

16:28Adam Schafer:And then the exercise does so much of the work. I mean, it does so much of the work, but initially we got to get them just to do that first thing. I knew a guy, I won't say too much, but I knew a guy who, he went through a depressed period where he was too depressed to go to the bathroom. So he would literally stay in bed and he would use bottles. Dang. And he just wouldn't go to the bathroom. And his first assignment was to get up and walk to the far bathroom of the body, sorry, of his house. And then he said, as he did that, he was able to move further and further and further over time. And then eventually, and I knew this person, eventually he came in, worked out, and we would modify the studio for him and all that stuff.

17:09Adam Schafer:And it just, it took us a year, but the improvement was just remarkable. Next up, this is a cool one. Exercise has this dual effect on pain, which is remarkable. Number one, it cuts chronic pain because most chronic pain is due to poor function. Okay, so you have joints that hurt, not an acute injury. It's not like I just hurt my knee, I tore my ligament, you know, a couple months ago. It's like, yeah, I've had knee pain for five years or back pain for 10 years. That's often the result of dysfunction. Your body is moving in a way that is suboptimal, and suboptimal movement causes wear and tear on the joints and the body.

17:50Adam Schafer:And so exercise corrects that. When you apply correctional exercise, this is what physical therapists do really well. You apply correctional exercise to an area, and you start identifying that dysfunction and then start correcting it, strengthening what needs to get strong, loosening what needs to get loosened stabilizing what needs to be stabilized then the pain goes away because your function is better but here's the other side of it which is crazy exercise increases pain tolerance yeah it builds a different association with it totally so yeah now now you see

18:21Justin Andrews:the benefit of stress testing it going through this little bit of uncomfortable uh you know burn or pain or whatever you know you're feeling you realize that you know this is benefiting me now Now you have an association towards like, let's, let's keep pursuing this.

18:36Adam Schafer:It literally changes the experience of pain. The reason why pain is so difficult to treat sometimes is because you have the, the, you know, physical, physiological thing that's happening, the pain signals. Then you have the experience of the pain. Yeah. The experience of the pain is just as important as what's happening physiologically. So someone might think, oh, increased pain tolerance. What does that mean? I still have the pain, but I just deal with it. No, it means you literally feel it less. It literally means you feel it less. I've told this story before it's one of my favorite experiences as a trainer I had this woman, I was the early trainer

19:07Sal Di Stefano:I think every trainer's probably had at least a couple clients

19:11Adam Schafer:I know when I tell this story trainers are going to listen and be like oh my god that happened to me I was probably 19, there was a woman that I was training she was in her 60s I want to say never strength trained before we're doing tricep press down, super low weight I'm literally just teaching her how to do it she's going and I remember as she's doing it I'm watching her form, oh that's good, keep going she suddenly lets go of the bar weight stack slams and she's like oh and i'm like it burns i thought i thought she was hurt i'm like wait what do you she's like i think i heard something like what do you mean and she's like pointing to it and then i really it took me five minutes i'm like your triceps are burning she's never felt yeah what that feels like her association with the pain it was just intolerable meanwhile you know you got people working out for years and they can push through pain because they're associated they literally experience it differently yeah exercise tackles pain for both ends.

20:00Adam Schafer:So if you suffer from chronic pain, this is as close as it gets to a miracle. Next up, better gut health. Study after study shows that people who exercise regularly, when they control all the other factors, have a more diverse microbiome. A microbiome that is healthier and their digestion.

20:20Sal Di Stefano:Again, does this compete with a probiotic? Ooh, I mean, it's better, of course.

20:26Adam Schafer:Really? Now you throw both of them together. Of course. I mean, of course.

20:30Sal Di Stefano:That's just like the red light thing, right? Why just do one or the other? But that's interesting to me that even heads up that you would say that it's still better than that.

20:36Adam Schafer:It changes the microbiome in a permanent way, whereas probiotics don't necessarily do that. They tend to be trans. That's why you take them every day. They're transient. You don't populate your gut necessarily with probiotics. This is what the experts will say, at least. Whereas exercise actually changes how the population of your gut to a healthier one. Um, next up, it makes you more resilient. Okay. Makes you more resilient to illness. So your immune system's stronger. You're less likely to get sick. But if you do get sick, you're less likely to get really sick. And then if you're in the hospital, here's where it gets crazy.

21:14Adam Schafer:If you look at the data on people with low muscle mass, sarcopenia, and they break a bone and they go to hospital versus somebody rate. Yeah. It's crazy. It's night and day. It's insane. This is why when older people break a bone, it's so dangerous oftentimes. You get a 70-year-old who breaks a leg or an arm, and if they're not strong, their health, all health, mental health, physical health, declines rapidly. You just see this chart. You look at the charts on this, it's crazy. But people who are strong, who have muscle, that's protective, when they're in the hospital with a surgery or something, their recovery rate is just so much better.

21:52Adam Schafer:They're more resilient. They're harder to kill.

21:54Sal Di Stefano:I would add psychological resiliency here too. Sure. I mean, because there's something about exercise that getting towards any goal, whether you're losing weight, gaining muscle, is challenging and has setbacks. And there's something to be said about setting a goal, moving towards that, having setbacks, getting back up to the mental resiliency that you get from it too. Obviously, for the immune system and the reasons that you talk about, that's obviously a huge benefit. but I would add psychological resiliency in here, which I would argue is as important.

22:26Justin Andrews:Constantly overcoming challenges. Yeah, that's a rep that you're constantly taking.

22:30Adam Schafer:Totally. Next step, better sex life. There's almost nothing. And by the way, there's like so many reasons why it makes your sex life better. Improved confidence, better blood flow. We just saw a study that connected muscle health to erectile function. You look like disgusting. Yeah. That's a big one. Hormones are more optimized. Testosterone is better. both in men and women. Your ass is perky. Everything. So I, I used to love, did you guys, I know you guys experienced this with clients. When I started training people, uh, we, we'd say advanced age, right? So an advanced age and personal training is anybody over the age of, I think it was 60, I think is what they say.

23:07Adam Schafer:Maybe 55, which is so, uh, close. Yeah. So offensive because I'm not, I'm less than 10 years away from that, but I would train people in their sixties and seventies. They were always women and they would always be embarrassed to ask me, that say this to me. So I trained them. It was like clockwork. The first time it happened, I'm like, that was weird. But that happened so often, I expected it. Call it out before. Three months. Three, it was always around three, like 90 days into exercise. You used a specific term for it, too. They were so funny. They'd say, and I'd get company, you know, we'd be friends, and, you know, they'd look at me like I was a grandson.

23:36Adam Schafer:And they'd say, you know, Sal, I'm experiencing some interesting results from the sexual. I knew what was coming. Like, what do you mean? Oh, what did you tell? Well, you know, I just feel more like vibrant. Or like more energy. like you see colors better yeah yeah no you know you know what i mean like i'm a little i had one woman say she felt more randy that's an old yeah but it's it's a remarkable for uh for sexual health and poor muscle health like i said uh dr lyon was one of the authors of the recent study show that was connected to erectile dysfunction so that's a big one um and then finally it strengthens discipline.

24:15Adam Schafer:Now, what do I mean by that? Studies show that when people start exercising and doing it regularly, their ability to have discipline in other aspects of their life, like work, finances, resisting other, for lack of a better term, temptations or challenges, gets better. Exercise strengthens the muscle of discipline.

24:38Sal Di Stefano:Well, it's the ultimate delayed gratification. You know what I'm saying? Nobody went to the gym in one session and got their goal. So you have to learn delayed gratification, no matter what the goal is. Like it takes time. It takes a process. You're going to have setbacks. And so it's the ultimate version of that. And if learned, you can then apply to so many other aspects of your life.

25:01Adam Schafer:Have you guys seen the data? Maybe Doug can find this. Have you seen the data on the percentage of successful entrepreneurs who also exercise? And you compare that to like the average population?

25:12Sal Di Stefano:Oh, it'd be interesting to see that. Oh, it's... I haven't seen this. I forgot. I've been going down that rabbit hole lately. I just shared stats with you guys not that long ago that I've been on that kick of just how few people like really make it in business. And then even when you make it, like how many like make it, make it, and then make it for an extended period of time.

25:31Justin Andrews:And how far, yeah.

25:32Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. Oh, it's crazy. You gotta be a little delusional to do it.

25:34Adam Schafer:Doug's pulling up some data here. A significant majority, 76 % of successful entrepreneurs engage in regular exercise. 76%.

25:44Sal Di Stefano:That's interesting.

25:45Adam Schafer:The average, it's crucial. The average in the population.

25:47Sal Di Stefano:It's far more likely than as an entrepreneur, if you're successful, that you also work out. That's right. Far more likely.

25:52Adam Schafer:That's right. Whereas the average person, I think it's like something like 20%, if I'm not mistaken, 27%. So it's such a high, and again, it has to do with that discipline. And by the way, these are not off. I've trained enough entrepreneurs to where they weren't exercising. Then they start working out with me. I remember the first time this happened to me, Jim, my client, Jim, hired me for health because his wife was nagging him about it. That's what he told me. Those are his words. We started working out and he goes, you know why I keep coming back, Sal? I said, why? He goes, it makes me more effective at business.

26:24Justin Andrews:Yeah. You're more productive. Yeah. You're clear headed. So cool.

26:27Sal Di Stefano:Well, I mean, there's, okay. The benefit to somebody who clocks into a nine to five is you clock in and you're told what you're supposed to do. You're told how your day is going to look. You know what I'm saying? And some people actually like that. But if you're somebody who doesn't like that and you are going to be successful, you've got to learn to make sacrifices, do the hard thing when you don't want to. Business is that way. Almost always the thing you need to do in business is the thing you least like to do. So you have to learn to embrace that part of being successful as a successful entrepreneur is that I recognize that the things I don't like to do or I'm not very good at are the things I need to do the most.

27:07Sal Di Stefano:Exercise is that way.

27:08Adam Schafer:Can I just off topic, you just made me think of something. I was thinking about this a week and I was just so grateful that I have partners that are so good at the stuff that I don't like to do that I could just focus on the stuff that I like. It's so great.

27:23Sal Di Stefano:Very rare. It's so great. I wish I remember the quote. I'm going to destroy it or butcher it. But basically it was talking about hiring and it was like you hire your weakness. I think a mistake that a lot of people do is they look for another version of themselves because we're just, that comes natural. It comes natural if you had success in a thing and you got to hire somebody else to do that thing with you, that you look for the same attributes. And it's actually the opposite of what you should do if you're going to build a successful team. You should really look at, okay, I'm not very good at this thing.

27:55Sal Di Stefano:And even though maybe Justin and I are totally different, he's really good at that thing. And so it's a good strategy for you to hire that way. and I just think it's unnatural to do that.

28:05Adam Schafer:No, no, 100%. Which is why I feel so blessed because I didn't necessarily pick you guys. I think it all just kind of happened. They're like, this is perfect. Yeah, so good. Anyway, so I want to talk about the peptide GHKCU for skin. Katrina just ordered some more of that. Oh, man. It boosts collagen production in the skin so much. We go through a lot of that. Courtney was using that just for her sunburn last night.

28:28Sal Di Stefano:Oh, it is insane. We be bathing in that stuff. That is what we do. It is. I'm serious. Katrina and I go through that like crazy. She was just like, we had four bottles of that. How are we going already? I said, well, you're using it. I'm using it. I use it on my psoriasis. I'm like, so.

28:41Adam Schafer:It works so well that you could tell by one or two applications, like a couple applications. The next day, you can actually see a difference. Now, it's getting popular. So a lot of skin creams and stuff are starting to talk about including it. But they don't put enough.

28:58Justin Andrews:Yeah, well, it's expensive.

29:00Adam Schafer:So how much is actually in there? First of all, if the liquid, now here's some of them put dyes, okay? But it's blue. GHKCU is blue. So when you're using like the company we work with, Luminos, by Interra, there is, it's blue because it is the highest concentration that you'll find anywhere. And GHKCU is not cheap either. So if you're buying one that's like 40 bucks, eh, it probably doesn't have enough. No, I mean, this is going to be very popular if it's not already popular

29:27Sal Di Stefano:in the skincare field or whatever, they're going to pixie dust it just like they do in the supplement industry. Yeah. I mean, because it's so popular, it's so effective that you probably could put a little bit in a lot of products. It'll be better than what they've experienced. Exactly. People will still experience it positive, but you want something that's really high grade if you want to really see the impact from it. Totally. We love it. We love it. We just like crazy.

29:49Adam Schafer:Anyway, so a lot of encouragement this weekend from the series going out. Yeah, really.

29:55Justin Andrews:Yeah, you got to tell us a little bit about how that's going because i know you had some crazy interactions yeah i don't want to talk

30:02Adam Schafer:too much because i got we have some episodes coming out but um just a little i was actually

30:07Sal Di Stefano:pleasantly surprised by um the response i anticipated um it to trigger some people i just knew that would happen yeah you know i accepted that we you know people some people get a good

30:21Adam Schafer:way to go into it too yeah and i think that was the right attitude is like hey because if you go

30:25Sal Di Stefano:thinking everyone's gonna be excited or happy about it you're gonna get you disappointed when the the people that come on there that are are looking to hate um but actually an overwhelming uh positive response way more than i anticipated to i what's what's crazy so the reason which is

30:40Adam Schafer:good yeah here's why it's encouraging because um so you know people don't know behind the scenes kind of what we do and a lot of what i do um you see right you see me talking a lot on the show presenting things and i organize episodes quite a bit i'll put them together and the guys trust me enough to do it and they know their stuff so well that we could just get into it um and with this series uh there's no planning i know that i know the goal is yeah uh the goal is to um to take down this idol of fitness that i've struggled with for so long and do it for god's glory i don't know what that looks like i don't know what's gonna and so my tendency is to organize it and control it this is what episode one's gonna look like here's what i do here at the end of it this is what it look like i'm gonna throw away my supplements and i'm cured or whatever okay you know you've

31:29Sal Di Stefano:really probably thought of that it's hilarious well it's my tendency you know my tendency is

31:34Adam Schafer:to try and control everything right uh or the things that i want to control and you know i got people telling me like you know what you should do at the end is you should do like a mobility drill to show everybody or you should be able to do this or whatever and i'm just like you know my problem is not uh trusting god enough like just trust him just go and see and pray and whatever and so that's what i did so i don't know what it's gonna look like each time i'm going into it in fact i interviewed i'm not gonna say who it is i'll keep leave it as a surprise let's just say it's a very very influential person well known yeah and i went in and interviewed him for it and uh i had no prep i literally sat down before and i'm like i don't know i'm gonna sit sometimes the best stuff comes out of that i mean yeah sometimes it doesn't right sometimes it's like yeah you're right so crap shoot and what's happened so far i'm just speaking of what's happening now i don't know what's gonna i don't know what's where it's gonna go i don't know where god's gonna take it but what's happened is it i feel like it's it's emboldened people to come out and speak about uh their faith and so that's what's happened so i the encouragement was i'm hearing from people in our space i didn't even know that this was uh yeah and they want to talk about it and then the comments were so encouraging and i'm just like man this is so

32:48Sal Di Stefano:so great such a blessing you know speaking of interview did you see the interview i did a max no oh yeah did you see it i didn't oh you know that with your son i thought you meant like yeah yeah yeah yeah so i did watch so remember i told you guys we're gonna just so first day of school was friday oh no that's super cute oh that thing you were gonna do yeah oh i missed it yeah yeah

33:07Justin Andrews:i'll have doug pull it up okay put it on his little yeah i put it on his yeah on his instagram

33:12Sal Di Stefano:page. So this is the first one. Yeah. So we sat down and we had a series of questions. I'll tell you what the questions were that we had.

33:19Adam Schafer:And you're going to do this every, for people that know, you're going to do this every year. Yeah. I mean,

33:22Sal Di Stefano:I have to, I totally stole this. I stole this from somebody else. It's not my idea. It popped up in my feed, I don't know, a couple months ago, and it was this dad. I follow this dad stuff and it gets me all emotional all the time. I'm just like, I'm such a sucker for this stuff. You know how wild that is? Is that change? Did I share this on the podcast? the other day is like i have a really hard time i've noticed this um watching any movies or shows

33:48Justin Andrews:where things like happen to kids now i know it's totally different it just hits way different way

33:53Sal Di Stefano:never i'm like oh i don't want to watch this like it just bothers me it's like it could be a good

33:56Justin Andrews:movie too this is why court like i had to intervene like court he couldn't work at pediatrics anymore it was like after we had both kids it was like this isn't gonna work so cool you gotta get me

34:07Sal Di Stefano:emotions oh i know what do you want to be when i was like dad dad oh come on it's so so great dude like i did i saw the dad who did this he did it for his daughter every single year all the way till she graduated uh high school and it was such a cool thing to watch you know a change and evolve it's like oh dude i'm gonna definitely do that so i'm so glad we did it we set a calendar to do it and then uh the whole family everybody really enjoyed it i was like oh that's such a cool idea So this goes back to here. I mean, this is some of the stuff that I do like about where we're at the time we live in.

34:41Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. Like to capture that. Like that's so, I mean, none of us have anything like that. No. You know, how cool would it, how, tell me how cool that would be to see yourself kindergarten for a second, like answer a series of questions.

34:53Justin Andrews:See how your brain is developing and working and like you're problem solving.

34:58Adam Schafer:The other thing too is you're so good at being aware of this, capturing the stuff, because it's so easy when you have kids to get caught up in the day-to-day. I mean, first day of school is a busy day. We got to get ready. We got to do this. We got to do that. And so you're so, and then I got to get to work. And, you know, your kid's six once. And then when they're seven, they're no longer that same kid anymore. And it just changes so fast. And you, you know, I'll do this sometimes. Oh, I got to remember that. And you forget. Yeah. You forget that kind of stuff, you know?

35:27Sal Di Stefano:I made sure, like, it was so important to me. I had Katrina send a reminder. I had a reminder. We talked about it. I was like, I don't want to forget that because I'll be so mad at myself. Because I've already done that on a couple things where I'm like, oh, I need to do that thing. And then it goes by, and you're like, ah, shit, I didn't do that thing. But he's so great, dude. That's so awesome. Yeah, yeah. He was hung out with me, too. Katrina got sick really bad. And so him and I were just spending a bunch of time together and stuff. And he's so chill, dude. He's like such a fun kid to hang out with, even on adult time.

36:02Sal Di Stefano:Like, I don't mind bringing him to adult stuff because he just hangs out. He just hangs out. That's so great. Yeah, chills with me and stuff like that. Doesn't do the, Daddy, when are we going to leave? I'm hungry. I mean, all the normal things that you expect a six-year-old to do. That they're supposed to do. Yeah, they're supposed to do. Like, I wouldn't even get mad if he did do that because that's what kids are supposed to do. But that kid's not like that. He came down last night. It was so funny. Katrina's starting to just finally, she's on the way out, starting to feel better. and uh you know we we we put him down and this was saturday night so it's you know no school the next day and uh he was like hey it's saturday can i stay up late we're like oh you already stayed up late buddy it's time to go to bed okay so he goes to bed and then katrina and i right away you know set up downstairs and you know had the lights on and get in the hot tub and you know just just relaxing and then all of a sudden you see him we could see into the house you're coming down the foot stairs and he comes over to the the glass and he's looking out at us and then Katrina like calls him over and stuff like that he goes I didn't want to come over here because I thought that you would get mad at me and I'd get in trouble oh come on I got up because I I didn't get to kiss you good night mommy she's just like oh my god this kid's such a suck so we're like come on get in go ahead get in you know he got all excited you know what Aurelius did the other

37:15Adam Schafer:day so uh he was he he bedtime for him is just i mean it's just a war every time he just drags his feet and he won't do it and he just he did he's like he's like dramatic about it like like all right get in the bathroom go pee wash your hands and then like tell him no no you got to go right now and he'll literally like get on the floor and drag himself there real like just like army crawl just drags it out right so his mom was like trying to get him to go and she was getting frustrated or whatever so finally i i intervene and i pick all right i'm gonna pick you up buddy and i pick him up put him in the bathroom close the door and he's mad you know he goes to the bathroom he comes out he goes i need to draw a picture real quick like and so jessica's like just let him draw a picture i'm like all right so he goes and sits down and he draws a picture and he comes back what is it so earlier he was asking so i'll tell you what he did so he draws an apple with a cross like he crosses it and then he draws a picture of like a broken heart and then he draws a picture of bluey and we're like what is this and he goes well this is an apple i love apples but mom says uh i can't have one because i need to go to bed which my heart is broken and then he goes and then this is bluey this is this is you should probably have him in your family not me because you guys don't like me he walks away so dramatic he draws pictures I like this kid's too much

38:39Justin Andrews:it's funny I'm trying to pull a ninja move right now with Everett and because like a big thing value wise in the family for me has always been like I have to make sure and establish that we're like physicality moving and like all this stuff is like a big priority and you know Ethan's really taken off with gymnastics and he's

39:01Adam Schafer:still like you know plugging away at it he's a jack kid by the way 15 year old kid he's like

39:05Justin Andrews:like he's built i don't know over the last few months he has gone through this not just like a growth spurt but like a like a he's he's muscles he's like one of the buffest 15 year olds ever he's he's really strong dude and like he's not like and he it's funny because he's his personality

39:22Sal Di Stefano:so different yeah well i thought he was gonna be the book nerd yeah it didn't work out it doesn't

39:26Justin Andrews:look like that anymore at all but like i mean they're doing really strenuous stuff in gymnastics and he's like they're putting him you know to the intensity like he's doing all these push-ups like like handstands like uh you know ring dips like that's awesome and so yeah he's getting jacked dude and that's like whoa uh meanwhile i mean everett is like not big like but he he has a growth spurt he his voice is changing you know like i saw him the other day with his friends and he towered over him like an inch like so and then he's got braces so he just came back to school he's got braces he's taller deeper voice he's like i was like i remember those days were you like awkward you know voice crouch yeah everything's all weird but like so i'm trying to find this sport um and so the only thing i could see was like um lacrosse and i'd i've been just trying to plant seeds i took him to this event and and you know it was nice this this lady put this event together where you could just casually kind of show up and like they would teach you things and you can kind of play with these other kids and he was kind of like man because all these little kids were playing it and i'm like ah that wasn't it you know and then um you know his friend down the street like had a stick and was like kind of showing him how to do things with the lacrosse stick and i'm like oh yeah dude there's something there and so i just like on a whim like we're signing him up you know whether he likes it or not i'm not gonna tell him yet you know like this is gonna either backfire hit me in the face or it's you know i'm gonna have to over ride it with force um but i ended up uh spending a lot of time with him over the weekend and then i went and personally i i bought one for myself and then uh i just kind of was like hey man look what i just got and so you know just invited him outside and we started throwing it because i don't know how to freaking use a lacrosse stick i've never done it yeah and so we're learning together it is hard to run with that we're watching videos we're we're we're playing outside like hit the car a few times you know like having a great time but I'm like and so he's warming up to the idea a bunch but we'll see dude like I it starts with like in a month and so like that's where I'm like okay does he know he signed up game on

41:35Sal Di Stefano:does he know he signed up

41:35Adam Schafer:he still doesn't know you're waiting for him I like this yeah yeah oh that's good because we happen to sign oh perfect I'll sign you up

41:43Sal Di Stefano:and you'll find out later it was a plan all along yeah that's so awesome what's the ball is the ball feel like a racquetball ball what's the ball no it's hard that hard rubber ball oh it's even harder you

41:53Adam Schafer:know the one you do myofascial release yeah remember we would use it sometimes for my it's heavy oh you get hit with that in the face you're losing teeth oh so that's that's what it is yeah

42:01Justin Andrews:yeah yeah oh so you do it too with like a tennis ball uh you know obviously you don't want to like smash anything up uh around your property but so we we have this like retaining wall and i guess you just throw it against it and like you can keep uh working on the skill of it uh that way so

42:18Adam Schafer:There's a way to run with it because my daughter played lacrosse. You get to cradle. Yeah, she's like, here, try running with it. And I'm like dropping it because you have to move it in a particular way so that it doesn't just fall out of the – It's fun, dude. I mean, I'm digging it.

42:30Justin Andrews:I'm like, I love learning new things and new skills. And he's really apprehensive about it because he doesn't want to suck. And I'm like, you got to learn how to love the suck. That's where it's at. That's where all the gold is.

42:43Adam Schafer:Did you guys see what China just unveiled recently? No. They're new. Doug, look up the China. Is this the hole they're digging to? What? To America.

42:54Justin Andrews:Dude, they have like, on record, they dug the deepest hole that's on record.

43:01Adam Schafer:They already did it? They already did it. Because the Soviets had the deepest at one point.

43:04Justin Andrews:I believe they've surpassed it because they're looking for even more minerals, I guess, this way for energy.

43:10Adam Schafer:By the way, the deepest, deepest holes is like not even that deep. Have you seen? Have you seen? Yeah, I know. It's like we barely get through. I don't think they make it through the crust, right? Or did they make it through the crest? Barely. Yeah. That's crazy. Okay, so here's what they did. Doug, look up China Pregnancy Robot. Oh, I did see this. China Pregnancy Robot? Yes. Yeah, dude. Yeah, yeah. Let me guess.

43:28Sal Di Stefano:You can have a baby carry, or you can have a robot carry your baby? That's right. Yep. It's a$13 ,900.

43:36Adam Schafer:Artificial uterus or what? That's right. It's set to give birth by 2026. What? So$13 ,000.

43:43Justin Andrews:Are you trying to make women irrelevant?

43:44Adam Schafer:Almost$14 ,000 and they will be able to, well, that's not what it's going to look like. So that's the illustration. I'm sure it's not going to look like an actual robot with a baby. It's going to probably be a machine or something. Dude. But they're going to put an egg, fertilized egg in there and the robot will grow. This is possible? Are we literally living in, like this is the matrix. Like what are we doing?

44:05Sal Di Stefano:I, yeah. Is it really possible? So the 2026 is supposed to have the first baby? So it's already happening right now. Yeah. So a baby's.

44:13Adam Schafer:No, no, no. So here's the deal. of course it's possible of course it's possible but the moral implications of this are wild now i know some people will argue well you know if i can't have a baby myself and this that and the other i get that but the the driver behind this is not that the driver behind this is is isn't great this is where science gets yeah this is where science doesn't have a moral compass it's not supposed to have a moral compass science just says can we they don't ask should we yeah uh but I think I'm going to guess that the reason why they're doing this is because they - Population issue.

44:47Adam Schafer:That's right. Yeah. Their one-child policy screwed them. Yeah. Really bad. And so they need to figure out how to get more people. Yeah. You need people for your society, really, to thrive. That's right. If you have more old people than young people, you're screwed.

45:03Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. We've built it all on consumers coming up, the next consumers to consume more so they can support the previous consumers. and so that number has to always grow.

45:13Adam Schafer:It's so crazy that we're here. Do you know how easy this will be? This step right here, how easy the step will be to go, oh, we're just going to put an egg, fertilized egg in there and we're just going to provide it nutrients so that it's good until it's grown. Do you know what a small step that will be from genetically engineering or engineering the nutrients to produce more superior humans or people that are better, either more complacent, better workers? I don't know. Whatever they decide. Well, it's going to be interesting.

45:40Sal Di Stefano:I mean, right out the gates, you're going to think they're going to feed it the most optimal amount of, yeah, but you know what? This will be interesting. We'll see. We'll see how you do. Oh, man. We'll see how that.

45:52Adam Schafer:You don't think for a second they're not going to take AI teachers, AI nannies, AI moms, because they're going to produce these. Who's going to take care of all these extra babies? Oh, don't worry. We have. They're going to link them with Neuralink, like in utero. This is so weird, man. It's wild. And it's cheap. $13 ,900 to do this?

46:14Sal Di Stefano:And we're going to see the first one, 2026. That's what they say. Dude. So that means one's growing right now, right? Yeah, it's too much. Would that mean? I guess soon, right? I guess soon. I don't know where in 2026. It's still got to go through the whole nine-month cycle. So I'd imagine that means there's one growing right now.

46:29Adam Schafer:Either that or they're going to start it in early 2026. And it'll be at the end of 2026.

46:33Justin Andrews:I feel like every time they announce something publicly, they've already had it figured out.

46:37Sal Di Stefano:It's already been done. Good point. Right, yeah, you would not put out a price for this if you hadn't already proved you could do it, right? Yeah. I mean, usually. Oh, man, isn't that crazy? Unless you're trying to create some false hype. It's beyond crazy.

46:49Adam Schafer:I know, it's wild. You're right, Matrix reminds me of the Matrix. We got all the babies growing. Oh, man.

46:54Justin Andrews:And you start using this for batteries.

46:56Adam Schafer:That's so cool.

46:57Sal Di Stefano:Who was it? Was that Scott who brought up the information doubling? Yes. I mean.

47:04Adam Schafer:AI means that all the information on the internet is doubling every 13 hours. so that's exponential insane growth of uh of information yeah just thinking where we're going

47:13Sal Di Stefano:to be in a couple i mean things that we used to talk about when we were younger of what the future beyond like our kids kids would like is all going to happen do you guys remember what i brought up

47:22Adam Schafer:on a previous episode about um i forgot what state it was illinois's banned um uh ai from giving therapy because of their issues of suicide and whatever i dug i went down that rabbit hole and it's inducing manic episodes in people because so there's somebody actually confirming somebody actually posted a comparison i don't know if this is real uh but a couple people like oh i tried it where they they presented to jat gbt a situation and then they presented to grok a situation here was a situation my wife came home from work after a 12-hour shift she said she was too tired to make me dinner and i got really mad at her and told her how angry i was that she didn't do it and then they said you know and then they had chat gbt analyze it versus grok here's what chat gbt said uh you're you're fully justified and being angry because you you know you have needs to so it's like totally uh validating it's validating a jerk yeah right your wife comes home for 12 hours doesn't make you dinner she's tired and it totally validated the guy whereas grok was like uh she's tired you should probably make your own dinner it was like a short answer interesting Yeah.

48:31Sal Di Stefano:That's weird. Yeah.

48:32Adam Schafer:So people are going to be like super validated into states of weird psychosis.

48:38Sal Di Stefano:Speaking of wives, Justin, you had your anniversary this weekend, yeah? I did. Yeah. Yeah. What was that? I saw you guys cheers in your Z-biotics. Yeah. I made sure got that one in. Yeah. Yeah. I saw that. I know.

48:50Justin Andrews:Yeah. She's like, oh, you guys use Z-biotics? You didn't take a video? I took a video this time. Where'd you guys go? What'd you do? uh so we just i mean we we went to dinner a really nice dinner but before that we went to like an art and wine festival there was one like in in scotts valley like uh so walked around you know did a whole thing with some friends but nothing like crazy uh just spent some good time together but yeah it was like we were thinking about that it's been so i had dated her like three years previous to that so it's literally been like 20 years yeah plus a year of the

49:23Sal Di Stefano:engagement so you guys have been together for oh we found it's courtney said so adam actually went

49:28Justin Andrews:to our wedding it's funny there's this one picture actually because we have this huge um wedding book that's like really really nice quality and it's like printed on there the the pictures and so like everything is really like high definition and all this stuff and then you get this one picture of courtney kind of walking towards me and then you see adam's like half of adam's face

49:50Sal Di Stefano:it's the only picture we have of him in there he was there full head of hair rocket shorts rocket shorts in his Tommy Bahama handsome face so when you guys so okay for this is question for you guys both you guys when you guys have like an anniversary or something like that do you guys outsource the planning like wife does everything she plans she decides what that do you do it together do you just do it like how does that normally work in your your guys's

50:22Adam Schafer:homes we uh jessica and i have this uh it's like a tradition we haven't been together nearly as long as you guys uh jesson but what we what we do because our birthdays uh are so close to each other and then we got married in between that so our birthdays are so close plus when we got married so we do knock it all on one we plan a trip we try to plan a trip is what we try to do so that's we've done before in the past solid savings there yeah it's in a great you know that hey listen i the fourth is my birthday yeah the fifth was when we got married the sixth is her birthday the seventh is when we got dominoes dude it was all the same week yeah yeah so you just do one

51:00Sal Di Stefano:cake one everything yeah all together we try to do a trip together consolidate and so okay so in a situation like that do you plan the trip does she plan the trip we'll both decide typically

51:10Adam Schafer:where we want to go yeah and typically i'm the one that will plan it and do all that stuff i'm

51:15Justin Andrews:I'm always planning, but then she comes in and gets all the discounts and savings. And, you know, let me just book it. You know, I'm like, oh, I tried to be all ahead of it and do it. And then she's like, wow, you didn't use any points and gets mad at me. All right. All right. But, yeah, we did. We usually wait till there's like a like. So the 15 year we went to Scotland. in and so we tried to plant something big for like like you know um some of the the more memorable kind of like um staples so um this was like i don't know this one was more casual uh so we kind of like go we go we undulate it so it's like if it's more significant we'll do a bigger thing for it or if it's not it's just like i mean we've been married so long that it's like dude you know it's almost like high five and then and then we hug we made it yeah yeah we're still doing good yeah we did it yeah you know what yesterday was exactly it's not it's really not a big deal because we're going to keep doing it so it's like it's not like that substantial you know to go back

52:17Adam Schafer:to zbiotics i have to say this because uh we've gotten messages and people are saying how does it work so well so just for people don't know uh zbiotics is a probiotic that was engineered to break down acetaldehyde. So when you drink alcohol, then there's this negative, uh, this, this, this chemical that's produced called acetaldehyde and your liver breaks it down. It's not an issue, but some gets released in your gut. And when that happens, it gets in your bloodstream and acetaldehyde makes you feel like garbage. And so what, what Z-biotic does is this probiotic actually destroys acetaldehyde.

52:49Adam Schafer:It's been genetically modelled. So all the acetaldehyde released in your gut gets destroyed. So you don't get those. You don't feel like that's how it works. I just tell my family, it creates a miracle in your gut.

52:58Sal Di Stefano:I say, it's a miracle in your gut. It's a miracle. Listen, if you don't like alcohol or alcohol affects you negatively, it's a miracle. It's the best party, buddy.

53:06Adam Schafer:So Jesus turned water to wine. This turns the wine back into water. If you're having champagne or wine or anything, you're like, oh, God, I have to have that. Who plans yours? Is it you? Who do you think? What do you think? Who plans you? No.

53:19Sal Di Stefano:Stop it. No, definitely not. Katrina does.

53:21Adam Schafer:Oh, you're the buyer. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I will. So what I do, you're a buyer.

53:27Sal Di Stefano:You're not a planner. What I'm, what I'm good with Katrina is that throughout the year, uh, and this is including the gifts and trips and I, I send lots of stuff like all like constantly. And she normally will catalog it or go like, Oh, I really liked that. And then she'll put it to the side or whatever. And then, uh, I, I have what I don't do good is, um, going, Oh, a month and a half for now, having any idea of what I'm supposed to be doing and then segmenting out three or four days to do something she runs all that i just check in on a weekly basis of where in fact i just did it yesterday i'm like what's going on next weekend you know i have always like the beginning of the week i'm always asking her are we in town are we going and so and she normally will lay all that out um yeah i just provide the the the card that takes care of me that's my that's not what i meant what i meant is you like to buy things oh oh you mean as far as my love language yeah yeah i mean that's what you'll plan you've done it before oh yeah i like to do i love to do stuff for her that's you know what's so funny is that i've had to learn to look at that as a selfish thing right so like i buy stuff for her throughout the year and it's i don't count it doesn't go towards my goodwill or go towards anything that's not her lovely no it's not so like and actually uh it you know i was telling some of the young trainers we were talking about relationships the last time we were all meeting together and i was telling them how this was such an important thing that i had to learn was that you know when i would do these things for her uh you know i i counted that is I was loving her hard.

54:52Sal Di Stefano:I was doing all these things, but it was selfish. It's what I like. It's what I like to do and what I want. And so she doesn't receive it the same way. It's a handwritten letter or a planned day, or even me just saying some things is far more powerful for her than the most expensive gift I could possibly get her. So when I do those things, I always have to remind myself this is what i want to do i and i do i still like that because i love that she's she's the type of person who doesn't need those things and i think and i don't know if you guys experience this with your wives or not but um it makes that more enjoyable for me there's something about it when like i've dated women before who like that's all they want or think about or talk about or ask for and i don't know it loses kind of the joy of of shopping and getting it you know for them versus someone expected yeah exactly it feels expected doesn't feel appreciated the same i don't know with her she doesn't expect any of those things so it's always a great surprise and it's always something that she wouldn't have thought of or so i enjoy it but it's selfish you i have to remember that so um i have the cards is like her thing but she plans those things i mean look i mean she organizes all of us in the business so of course she

56:04Adam Schafer:of course she plans anytime someone asks me can you be on my show i don't know what i'm doing Talk to Katrina. She'll tell you what my schedule is. Talk to Katrina.

56:12Sal Di Stefano:What'd you do, huh, this weekend? You? Fish.

56:15Adam Schafer:Yeah, how was that? I took, it was short. It was only a couple hours. But my son's asked to go fishing forever. Yeah, this is why I wanted to bring it up. I was like, dude, I can't believe I saw this guy doing. It wasn't a big deal, you guys. It was just, I have a friend. It's a big deal. I said the same thing. He's not going to bring it up. I'm like, bro. You go into the park. I was already proud of you. Well, I go to the park all the time. I know. Did you even know where to get bait in a pole? Are you fishing now? Listen, I don't know what I'm doing. So we have a friend who hunts and goes fishing, and he does all this stuff.

56:45Adam Schafer:So my wife did a group text. Hey, you know, maybe you can take salad. Like, thanks, man. Put you on a man date so you can learn. Thank you. But I love this guy.

56:57Justin Andrews:Like with bait and everything?

56:58Adam Schafer:Yeah, so I love this guy. He's just a great guy. He's like super manly dude, super humble. But he's a hunter. He does all this stuff. And I've never done that stuff. So he's like, just get a pole, and then I'll provide everything else. So we went and bought a little kid's fishing pole. And it's like a percolating pond. There's one in San Jose. So it's not a big deal. You can't even eat the fish, by the way. There's a sign that says. There's one off Dell we used to practice casting. I think that's the one. OK. Yeah. So we went over there. Did he catch anything? No. You know what's funny? Chris throws his in, immediately catches something.

57:29Adam Schafer:Of course. And then we got nothing. And so my son was so upset about that. He was so mad. I was trying so hard.

57:36Sal Di Stefano:I'm always interested in like, I think this will be interesting with your son. Because I feel like how you feel about fishing has a lot to do with the first time you went fishing. I know. Like, I don't care for it because I didn't have a good fishing experience. I didn't catch anything. It was like a long day. It was like I had to get up really early in the morning with my dad. I was just like, fishing sucks.

57:57Justin Andrews:Yeah, you almost want to bring him to one of those trout farm places where they like plant them all in there. and you can see them

58:04Adam Schafer:and then you're guaranteed to get a bite. I'm going to get the... At least first. I know what to do now and I'm just going to go to the same percolating just for fun. He's got this little Superman in a fishing pole so we're like throwing it in and...

58:17Sal Di Stefano:And he did all right, because he's not the type to me that I feel would sit still like that.

58:21Adam Schafer:He was, but then he was upset because we didn't catch anything. Yeah. So then he was like, can we catch a turtle? What about that duck? Can we catch that duck? And then Chris is talking about hunting, right? So Chris is like, oh, duck hunting. It's really cool. And so he's like, I want to shoot a duck. And Chris is like, well, you're not old enough. We can't shoot that duck. You're not old enough to shoot. He's like, why? We can't come back with a shotgun? If we shoot ducks in here, they'll arrest us. It doesn't work, dude. You want to catch something. Fishing as kids is such work, dude.

58:53Justin Andrews:I was really trying to kind of make that a thing. It went a few times. It's just like, I mean, I never actually fished myself. I was just getting them out of snags and like redoing their lines. Dude, that was it. The whole time. Yeah. And they loved it. And I'm like, oh.

59:08Adam Schafer:You know what I'm going to do? It's horrible. There's this thing that we do. I'm going to do this. I almost, I thought of this. So when we go to, you know, when you go to those, I think they're called teppanyaki, like Benihana, where they cook in front of you. Yeah. Okay. You know how they always do the thing where they throw the food and you got to catch it in your mouth? Yeah. Okay. So I know my, my wife knows my son's personality and if he misses, he's going to be pissed. so what she does is she has some egg in her hand like waiting in her hand and he opens his mouth and he closes his eyes and when the guy throws it shut up

59:37Sal Di Stefano:she does not she does

59:39Adam Schafer:wow she's a ninja so he's always like yay what a clutch mom move right there and the egg kid goes flying oh every time when I go over here and she puts it right in his mouth he's like I did it right so every time we go he catches the food every time right so I'm like this one when I go fishing with him I'm gonna get a fish you just hook it on I'm not even gonna let him know that I brought a fish. And when he's not looking, I'm going to hook it and throw it in and be like, you caught something. Look at your line.

1:00:05Sal Di Stefano:Give me a cat or two of a fish. And he won't be traumatized until he's 22 and he listens to this podcast. It'll be a sardine

1:00:11Adam Schafer:from one of the cats, you know.

1:00:13Sal Di Stefano:It looks dead.

1:00:14Adam Schafer:It's not even moving. I was moving. You reeled it in fast, son. Wow, bro. He caught it. He killed it. He made it taste like olive oil. That's crazy. Wow. I for sure, I swear to God, listen, I 100 % thought of this. I'm like, I'm going to do that. That's funny. Build up his confidence.

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1:01:01Adam Schafer:Our first caller is Christine from Virginia. Hi, Christine. Hello. Good morning.

1:01:06Justin Andrews:Hi, guys. How are you? We're good.

1:01:07Adam Schafer:How can we help you?

1:01:09Justin Andrews:Good. Thank you. I love your show. You guys are fantastic. So I feel really grateful to be here. So thank you.

1:01:14Adam Schafer:Thank you. We're grateful for you too. How can we help you? Yeah.

1:01:18Justin Andrews:So a little context into my question. So I've been tracking macros for almost three years, and I started weight training about two and a half years ago. But I would say I've been very active my whole life. And I did my first DEXA scan last August and came in at 26 % body fat and 114 pounds muscle mass. Between last August and current day, I've primarily focused on body recomp by reducing cardio, increasing weights, and then going through a reverse diet. and I was eating around 1300 calories, um, gradually increased that up to 2300 and throughout the whole time did not gain any weight. In fact, I was actually losing weight.

1:02:03Justin Andrews:Um, I stayed at maintenance for only like a month because I was getting ready to go on vacation and I wanted to do a cut to be leaner. So I did a six week cut, brought my calories down to 1800. Then right before vacation, I went in and did my second DEXA and I lost eight pounds of body fat. So I went down to 23%, but I also lost almost five pounds of muscle. and my visceral fat increased from 0.14 to 0.37. So I was kind of like disappointed with the results, like happy to see the body fat percentage decrease, but didn't like the muscle loss. And then was like, what's going on with the visceral fat?

1:02:44Justin Andrews:Um, I lift weights four times per week, two upper, two lower, 10 to 15 ,000 steps a day. And then one day I do 30 minutes of cardio. so ideally I want to be around 20 % body fat but just curious how I can gain muscle lose fat and

1:03:00Sal Di Stefano:then what is going on with the visceral fat you killed it first of all that's a those are really good results and it's really common when somebody goes in a cut that they're going to lose some muscle too so just keep that in mind typically that's a too hard too fast too much too fast so like you could have you could have not cut your calories as high or you could have backed off activity and that would have potentially reduced the amount of muscle that you lost and or we could look at programming like if you were kind of doing the same program and it hadn't been a new stimulus and their body didn't have a reason to adapt and add any muscle or sustain that could happen too but typically for clients that when i see this happen it's because they cut too hard too fast and they didn't need to.

1:03:48Sal Di Stefano:And it's not, again, let's keep this in mind. Those are good results. You reduce body fat percentage a good number in a relatively short period of time. All in all, I would count that as a win, but then I'd also go like, if we were really picking it apart, I'd say, okay, we could have probably kept your calories a little bit higher, or we could have not been so aggressive with the amount of activity and steps. I mean, there's a lot of different ways that we could have approached that, but typically that's what that means when you lose muscle, when you also lose body fat like that.

1:04:18Adam Schafer:Christine, you did great. You could have done a little better if I'm going to get real granular, but you did really, really good. I want to go back to the visceral body fat. Is that pounds or is that percentage? What is that number?

1:04:35Justin Andrews:That's a good question. I think it's pounds.

1:04:40Adam Schafer:So it's tiny. So that is well within the margin of error with the Maxis scan. If your overall body fat percentage went down, you're leaner, then I wouldn't trust that number at all. Even though it tripled, it went from 0.14 to 0.37. That's well, well, well, well within the range of what would be considered margin of error with any kind of a test. So I wouldn't worry about that whatsoever. However, as far as everything else is concerned, you were doing so good that there was no need to go in a cut. Right. You were moving. In fact, the cut set you back a little bit. Yeah, you lost some body fat.

1:05:18Adam Schafer:You lost some muscle. I think you should just keep, you would have been better off staying at 2 ,300 calories. Okay. And just keep going in that direction. In fact, I would say, are you back up to 23?

1:05:30Justin Andrews:No, I just came back from, I'm back from vacation and I was back in a cut because I had gained some weight from vacation. So I'm now going back, reversing back up to 23. So right now I'm at 2000.

1:05:41Adam Schafer:Good. And then when you went down to 18, did you notice any strength loss?

1:05:48Justin Andrews:I really did not actually. And I would say from August of last year to current day, I definitely noticed strength gain. So I was kind of surprised when I went in and saw that I had actually lost the muscle, but I'm trying to progressively overload as well. Yeah.

1:06:02Sal Di Stefano:The other thing with the difference too.

1:06:03Adam Schafer:Yeah, the other thing too is that lean body mass loss can sometimes be recorded when you have less fluid in the muscle. So the strongest correlate, the strongest thing that will predict muscle gain or loss, there's nothing that comes close to strength. Now, strength isn't perfect because you can lose strength because you're tired or you can lose strength because you just don't have enough fuel or because you're stressed because your central nervous system can get affected. However, if I were to look, generally speaking, and I saw a measurement like this, I'm like, okay, did we actually lose that much muscle?

1:06:45Adam Schafer:I would look at the strength in the gym. And if your strength maintained or went up, I'd be like, I don't trust that. That number doesn't mean anything to me. So I would, you're doing great. I would say keep reversing. You could probably keep reversing, keep building muscle. And what's going to happen over time is you're going to continue to progress. You're going to continue to progress, continue to progress. By the way, 23 % body fat is great. Yeah. You know, dropping 3%, you'll see something in the mirror. But at what cost? 23 % for most women. Do you mind if I ask how old you are?

1:07:20Justin Andrews:No, I'm 42.

1:07:21Adam Schafer:Oh God. If you kept 23 % and you just built muscle and got stronger and just kind of fueled yourself and then looked at, you know, and try to measure things like energy and strength and life quality, you'll probably get a little leaner over time anyway. You'll probably find yourself around 21%. Okay. Chasing 20%, you're going to sacrifice some of that stuff. And I'm going to tell you right now at the end of that, you're going to be like, eh, I don't know if it was worth it. Right. I think where you're at is amazing. like 23 % and fit. So if you're strong and fit and you feel good, you got good energy, life quality is good.

1:07:56Adam Schafer:You don't feel like you're starving yourself. It means your hormones are probably good. You know, you start to chase fat loss, uh, especially over the age of 37 for women, you'll start to see hormone changes happen a little faster. You'll start to notice. So I would say, don't even worry about it and just slowly reverse diet and just look at performance in the gym? Am I getting stronger? Do I feel good? If I am, let's just keep going in this direction. And then again, you'll probably slowly start to lose body fat anyway.

1:08:27Sal Di Stefano:I think the question that I would ask that would determine my advice to you would be more along the lines of like, how do you feel at 1800 calories? How do you feel at 2300 calories? Like as far as the food, is it a lot of food? Is it little food? Do you feel like you're hungry all the time? Do you like, how do you feel at those two numbers?

1:08:42Justin Andrews:Yeah, I would say at 1800, 1900, I'm very hungry. um when i was at 2300 i would say that i was going through the day and i was giving myself like scale of one to ten i'd give myself like a three i was like okay i'm not i'm hungry when the meal comes but i'm not like thinking about food like when i'm at 18 1900 i'm definitely

1:09:00Sal Di Stefano:thinking about it get to 23 2400 that tells me right there that that's a good place you could probably go up to 25 yeah like i mean yeah you could if you hang around 23 i think you'll lean out like sal was saying over time you could reverse diet and go up and then come back down and you'll lose body fat.

1:09:16Adam Schafer:By the way, here's the thing too, Christine, is that how tall are you and what's your total body weight?

1:09:20Justin Andrews:5 '7", 145.

1:09:22Adam Schafer:Okay, so if you gained no additional body fat, but you gained a few pounds of muscle, so your body weight went up, let's say to 148 or 150, first off, you wouldn't look any bigger. You would just look more sculpted. So you would notice more shape, more sculpt, and you would be leaner as a percentage of body fat. So if you just gained muscle, that's how your body fat percentage will go down as well and that comes with the wonderful benefit of better you know more improved insulin sensitivity better hormone profile better energy mobility so i think that's the direction uh that you should go what program can we put her on what

1:09:57Justin Andrews:are you on right now so i just kind of made up my own honestly and i just bought anabolic um like a

1:10:04Sal Di Stefano:week ago i haven't started oh that's great that's perfect do the three-day-a-week version in there

1:10:08Adam Schafer:prepare for the strength definitely reverse diet in that and you're gonna get strong on that yep

1:10:13Justin Andrews:Okay. And do you think it's okay to start anabolic now, even though I'm not at my maintenance

1:10:16Adam Schafer:or should I wait till like, no, start reversing, start reversing while you're on it. And in fact, if you, when did you, uh, how, how soon ago or how long ago did you go up to 2000 calories?

1:10:26Justin Andrews:Just a week.

1:10:27Adam Schafer:Just a week ago. I could go up to 22 start maps anabolic. Watch what happens.

1:10:32Justin Andrews:Okay. Awesome.

1:10:33Adam Schafer:Yeah.

1:10:34Justin Andrews:Great. Okay. I mean, you guys, definitely, I was thinking I probably wasn't at, you know, maintenance long enough. I mean, good to hear, like maybe I didn't even need to go into a cut. So you guys definitely helpful. Thank you. You got it.

1:10:45Adam Schafer:Good job.

1:10:46Justin Andrews:All right. Thank you. Have a good day. You too.

1:10:49Adam Schafer:Yeah. You know, it's, uh, she was moving and what she did wasn't bad cutting to 18. No, no, but she would have been better off staying, staying or like a lesser cut.

1:11:00Sal Di Stefano:She went from 23 to 18. She could have went to 21.

1:11:03Adam Schafer:Yeah.

1:11:03Sal Di Stefano:She could have went to 21. Just a little bit of reduction, leaned out probably a lot. She might have still lost a little bit of muscle doing that, but less. She lost less. Or she could have stayed right where she's at and just lost probably a little less body fat, but almost no muscle.

1:11:19Adam Schafer:I'll never forget, like years ago, I went on. I used to do bulks. I was always bulking. But for the first time in my life, I remember how old I was. I did a controlled bulk, where I actually was looking at, generally looking at calories. And I'll never forget, I went on a controlled bulks. My old bulks were just like, eat as much as I possibly can. But this one was like, okay, I'm actually going to try to do this the right way. And I did it. And I remember it was probably, I don't know, it was not that long after, maybe six or eight weeks later, I was getting my body fat tested every few weeks.

1:11:48Adam Schafer:And my body fat percentage not only did not go up, but then it started trending down. And I remember, and the scale was going up. And I remember, this is the first time I realized like, oh, if I gain muscle without body fat, my percentage goes down.

1:11:59Sal Di Stefano:And that's what happened to me. This is my greatest critique of the bodybuilder bikini world is these, this thought that we need to aggressively bulk in the off season is such a myth. The best results I ever got was just kind of hovering around what I thought was about maintenance, eating until I was satisfied. Like I, when I started doing, when I was in a bulk, because back in the days when I'd bulk, I was aggressively bulk. I was like stuffing myself.

1:12:23Adam Schafer:I know exactly what that's like.

1:12:23Sal Di Stefano:And then instead of, I started doing in the off season, I started going, you know what, I'm just going to eat when I'm hungry. And it'll probably land me somewhere. Hit your protein. Yeah, hit my protein. That's the only thing I was really paying attention to. And then if I went a little bit over on calories, great. Or if I hit maintenance, it's fine. And then what ended up happening is what I try to communicate all the time is like, I probably was hovering around maintenance. But in reality, what that looks like are some moments I'm in a surplus, some moments I'm in a deficit, which is what causes what you said, which is I actually see the scale go up.

1:12:48Sal Di Stefano:But then I get leaner. It's like you're just adding muscle and you're sometimes actually losing some body fat. It's a perfect place to be. Our next caller is Rachel from Michigan. Rachel, what's happening? How you doing, Rachel? What's up?

1:13:00Justin Andrews:Hi, guys. I'm really excited to be here. I was actually on about a year ago with a similar question. So my question last time was about if I could run MAPS 15 indefinitely and still get results. And this time my question is what do I do if I've been overtraining on MAPS 15 since that's like the easiest program you have because I'm pretty sure I'm overtraining on it.

1:13:25Sal Di Stefano:Let's get to the bottom of that.

1:13:26Adam Schafer:Yeah, let's talk about the rest of your life. Because that's not common. What else is happening in your life that's adding to this? sports, lack of sleep, going to bed late. What are you doing?

1:13:36Justin Andrews:I mean, honestly, I think it's, I think I get about seven hours of sleep a night and I just, I don't know if that's enough. And I'm just, I'm a really active person just in general. I have an active job and then I have like a homestead at home. So then when I get home from work, I got to take care of all the animals and the garden and everything. And I kind of take care of my family a lot too. So it's just a lot of general life stress, I think.

1:14:02Adam Schafer:Oh, you're a champion. You have kids?

1:14:05Justin Andrews:No, I'm only 22, but I take care of my younger sisters and stuff.

1:14:11Adam Schafer:Oh, God bless you. Walk me through a normal day just so we get an idea of what this looks like. Tell me when you wake up and what you do with your job and then when you get home. Tell us all about it.

1:14:23Justin Andrews:So normally I get up at like 4.50 and I get ready for my day. I stretch and everything. And then at about 540, I end up doing a workout. I just do MAPS 15 workout and I add a five minute course session into it. And then after that, I eat some breakfast and I head off to work. And at work, I'm a park ranger. So I do a lot of activity. I walk around a lot, take care of campers and stuff. I weed whip a lot, maintain the grounds and everything. And then I get home and normally I start preparing dinner and everything for the family. And then after that, I try to get into my garden or out to my animals and tend them and stuff.

1:15:10Justin Andrews:And then by that time, it ends up normally being about 8, 30, 9 o 'clock by the time I finish everything. And I lay down for bed and I instantaneously fall asleep and then start it all over again the next day at 4.50.

1:15:23Sal Di Stefano:Rachel, you're a beast. You know what? You're awesome. Hearing her story reminds me of what we talked about yesterday. Kyle and I were talking about how 100 years ago, if somebody were to come forward in time and see that we pay for gym memberships to go inside and lift heavy things and put them back down, they would laugh at us. We're simulating it.

1:15:40Justin Andrews:You're actually doing it. Yeah, exactly.

1:15:41Sal Di Stefano:This is how people used to live. And so it's like, does it require a lot of exercise in the gym?

1:15:48Adam Schafer:You are exponentially more active than the average 22-year-old. you also have a tremendous amount of responsibility in comparison to the average 22 year old so yeah of course you're tired so here's the deal do MAPS 15 every other day yeah I was gonna say

1:16:07Justin Andrews:don't follow it

1:16:09Adam Schafer:every day do a workout take a day off do a workout take a day off see how you feel if you still feel run down do a workout take two days off you're so active you're probably so fit I bet you if my partners and I tried to follow you around all day. We probably wouldn't last a couple weeks.

1:16:28Justin Andrews:That's the thing. People always tell me I do too much, but I just wish I looked like I was more fit. I feel like I'm just so weak lately, and my lifts have all gone down a lot in the gym, and I've lost 12 pounds. I just feel way overworked, and I just want to be strong and lean, And I kind of just have a lot of belly fat and stuff. And I just want to get strong and lean.

1:16:56Sal Di Stefano:And I don't know what to do really either. Another way to approach it, to Sal's suggestion, is this. So right now, we follow Mass 15 the way it's laid out. Only you're giving a day in between every time you go to the next workout. If you still feel this way, do two days in between. That's right. And then do three days in between. And just follow it in the same order. But you're always just going to be gapping days in there. And until you find the sweet spot, it could be only one day of lifting a couple lifts. It might be, you know what I'm saying? That might be it. But that's how I would do it.

1:17:27Sal Di Stefano:I was like, the way Mass 15 is laid out, you know, you start now giving the day in between each workout. And then if you still kind of feel that way, put two days in between each workout. If you still feel that way, put three days in between each workout.

1:17:37Adam Schafer:Here's the other side too. How's your nutrition? Are you eating enough?

1:17:41Justin Andrews:Um, well, that's kind of the thing. I thought I was eating enough because I felt satisfied, but I actually tried to, I've listened to your podcast the other day about is under eating, making you fat. And so what I tried to do, I was like, well, maybe I am under eating. Maybe that's why I'm so tired and my hormone levels are super low and everything. And I just feel so weak every day. Maybe I'm not eating enough food. So yesterday, actually, I tried to eat like a couple more eggs at breakfast. I felt like a whole different person just trying to eat a little bit more. So I was like, maybe I haven't been eating enough this whole time.

1:18:15Adam Schafer:Okay. What's your typical diet? Give me a typical day of food. what would it look like before you added the two eggs what would you eat um so it would be two eggs

1:18:24Justin Andrews:for breakfast with two glasses of milk and then at lunch i'd eat like a bowl of yogurt and cottage cheese with um i i make a lot of jerky homemade jerky so i'd eat cottage cheese yogurt jerky vegetables and with some peanut butter and then dinner's just meat and vegetables every night with some fruit.

1:18:45Sal Di Stefano:You gotta eat more. You're like, you're under, you're like 1500 calories or less.

1:18:49Adam Schafer:Yeah, here's the other side of it too. You might have a nutrient deficiency. Are you also taking a multivitamin?

1:18:54Justin Andrews:Um, yeah, I take a multivitamin and then I take some beef organs and some fish roe from Paleo Valley. Oh, good. Okay, you're good.

1:19:02Adam Schafer:You gotta eat more. Yeah. It's a little healthy food, but we just gotta up the base. Add two meals in between breakfast and lunch and then you get another one in between lunch and dinner. And if you can't do that because you're too busy and make it a shake. But don't go with just the protein shake you make it with some fruit or something else so you have some carbs in there too your calories are too low for all the stuff that you're doing are you at least

1:19:23Sal Di Stefano:doing uh whole milk when you drink your milk is it whole milk um yeah it's it's raw milk from my neighbor okay good good okay at least you're doing that yeah yeah bump you got to eat way more

1:19:33Adam Schafer:you're eating too little yeah yeah that'll especially for your activity it's it's funny

1:19:37Justin Andrews:it took me that long to realize it because i think i started realizing it yesterday because i'm like I've been going down like half a pound to a pound a week, and I haven't really realized why, and I think it's that I'm not eating enough food now. No, no.

1:19:50Adam Schafer:We're all creatures that have. You got to eat a lot more. You got to eat a lot more. Yeah, okay.

1:19:54Sal Di Stefano:Bump the calories and take the advice on gapping the days until you start to feel good. And what should happen with the increase of calories like that and a little bit more of a break on the training, you should start to build muscle. And building the muscle will speed the metabolism up, will help you get leaner. I bet you just eating more is going to make all the difference.

1:20:09Adam Schafer:I bet eating more is going to make all the difference in the world. Yeah, big time.

1:20:13Justin Andrews:Yeah, because to be honest, I just really want to get really strong and lean. I just feel so weak. Like, I just want to feel super strong every day, you know?

1:20:21Adam Schafer:Yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. You got to eat a lot more.

1:20:24Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

1:20:24Adam Schafer:Yeah, really push the calories. You're eating healthy food. I'm not worried about you eating garbage. No, yeah. So push the calories. Throw some rice in there, some potato. Have some meals in between breakfast and lunch and lunch and dinner. Do the every other day workout. Now, we're going to have you back on again because I want to follow up with you. Okay.

1:20:42Justin Andrews:Okay. Yeah, I'd love that because really I just I feel like I've been struggling for a long time because my life's kind of been like this for, well, since I was 16, I started working out. And I just feel like I've never really made any progress because I've always been taking care of my younger sisters and my family and stuff. And then now with the full-time job on it, too, it's just it's been a lot. I just really want to overworked and underfed.

1:21:06Adam Schafer:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, this is one of those cases. There's an old saying. That's not true. But sometimes it is where someone says there's no such thing as overtraining, just under eating. You might actually be that person. So I think really bumping your calories, like getting up, you know, a thousand more calories would probably make all the difference in the world. Yeah. Where do you find time to do things like date and stuff like that?

1:21:30Justin Andrews:I don't really, to be honest. I kind of just like normally I have like an hour on a Friday night. and I maybe watch a movie. Besides that, I'm always just working all the time.

1:21:40Adam Schafer:Well, all right. Hopefully a nice young man watches this. Yeah, your catch. Good for you. 22 years old. You're on the right track. Eat more. Every other day, work out. We're going to have you back on in a couple months, okay?

1:21:51Justin Andrews:Okay. Yeah, I'd really appreciate that, guys. Thanks so much for your time and everything. I really appreciate it.

1:21:56Adam Schafer:You got it. All right. All right. See you. You ever meet a kid and you're like, you have good parents or something? I know. You're a champion. That is a responsible, hardworking kid doing all the right stuff. Almost too responsible. Not lost in the whatever. But that's so funny. We didn't ask her diet. Towards the end, I'm like, I wonder if she's under eating, doing all that. She's eating like 1 ,500 calories a day. Or less. When I was doing the quick math,

1:22:18Sal Di Stefano:I was like, I don't know how much of that beef jerky she's having, but that was like the highest.

1:22:22Adam Schafer:Yeah, and beef jerky is like just protein.

1:22:24Sal Di Stefano:I know. And that's like, of all the things she listed, it was like, that's like the highest calorie.

1:22:27Adam Schafer:She needs to eat like 2 ,800 calories a day doing all that stuff. Oh yeah. 1 ,500.

1:22:30Sal Di Stefano:That young, that much movement and strength training.

1:22:32Adam Schafer:and oh for sure especially if she's losing weight on the scale like she said for sure yeah our next color is justin from indiana justin what's up man how you doing man hello hello hey nice to talk to

1:22:43Justin Andrews:you guys you got it how can we help you uh so i the question i had just to get right into it is so i'm a full-time er critical care nurse uh i'm in school for my nurse practitioner i also personal train on the side, anytime fitness and work for a brand called mutant promoting them. So I've read a lot of self-help books and one in particular was Arnold Schwarzenegger's self-help book. And he really dialed in, in that book on, we all have the same 24 hours in the day. So I generally agree with that. However, I work 12 hour shifts. I also work weekends, holidays, stuff like that, which is a typical, you know, healthcare rotation.

1:23:27Justin Andrews:So how, like what tips, advice do you have to help get to the gym and meal prep and still try to get your adequate sleep after working a 12 hour shift?

1:23:38Adam Schafer:You got to take some time off and rest more, bro. Yeah.

1:23:41Sal Di Stefano:What program are you running of ours? For a nurse practitioner? No, no. What program of ours are you running? What maps program?

1:23:49Justin Andrews:Oh, I actually am not running one.

1:23:50Sal Di Stefano:That would be a good place to start. And I would start you with like maps 15. That's, I mean, you're the perfect person to follow something like that. Yep. Yeah. That's more than enough training for you to stay well-fed, focus on your sleep enough to send a signal to build some muscle.

1:24:06Adam Schafer:You're not effective if you do too much.

1:24:08Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

1:24:09Adam Schafer:And so there's definitely the mentality and I get it. You know, they're like, you can do anything, push yourself, but I think you've got that. I wouldn't be worried based off of what you said that you're not doing enough. you're probably doing too much is what it sounds like. So you got to rest more so that you can be more effective, so that you have more energy, so that you can see the results from working out. So it's actually less is more with you for sure. So follow Mass 15 and don't do any of the strength training and watch how you feel. I think you'll feel a lot better. You'll have more energy for all the other stuff.

1:24:42Sal Di Stefano:We'll send Mass 15 over to you. You're going to like that. It's perfect for you. It's perfect.

1:24:47Justin Andrews:Do you have any advice on if I work three twelves in a week and I do a 12 hour clinical day for a while I was trying not to work out on those days because I was already doing a 12 hour shift and I would maybe go for a mile ruck for a 30 pound vest or something. Do you think it's beneficial to work out on those days or take those days as your rest?

1:25:13Sal Di Stefano:I definitely wouldn't ruck.

1:25:14Adam Schafer:Math 15 would be appropriate. It's two lifts.

1:25:16Sal Di Stefano:okay yeah it's too late but yeah i wouldn't do an hour run you can also do this the way we've designed it is you can uh smash two days together so you could go day one and day two could be one day it's a short enough workout so then you just do so you could have like when you have an off day and you feel really good well rested you could smash two of those workouts together and then take the day off before you go to the next one so you could set it up like that too

1:25:41Justin Andrews:okay awesome yeah that that helps a lot i'll definitely have to look into that i haven't looked into it at all yeah i've been caught up with some of all these other things but yeah uh

1:25:50Sal Di Stefano:we'll send it over to you we'll send it to you so you got it and and follow it the way it's laid out the only thing that you i would change or modify for you is you can you can put two days together like on your off days so because it's designed for you to be lifting every other day

1:26:05Justin Andrews:or every day okay yep okay yeah um perfect that sounds good to me i appreciate talking to you guys. That's really the biggest question I had is just to see what you guys thought about, you know, after working 12 hour days.

1:26:18Adam Schafer:The hard part is going to be doing as little as we're telling you. I'm going to tell you right now. Yeah. Right.

1:26:22Justin Andrews:I think you're right on. I do struggle. I feel like if I don't make it to the gym after a shift, but I'm not doing enough.

1:26:28Adam Schafer:Think about it this way. Okay. Cause I, I, what's behind that, what's fueling your desire to do more and more and more is cause you probably want to be effective. You probably want to be effective at work with your family and life. You sound like you're a pretty, pretty driven person and you're not being effective right now because you're doing too much.

1:26:48Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

1:26:49Adam Schafer:So when you're, when you're doing this and you start to feel good, if you listen to us and you start to do this, you got to trust it for a little bit. You're like, Oh my God, I got a lot of energy. I feel great. Your tendency is going to be like, cool. I'm going to do more now. Don't do it. Right. Don't do it. Stay effective.

1:27:03Justin Andrews:Yeah. I think you're exactly right. And what would happen? Oh yeah.

1:27:07Sal Di Stefano:I mean, Sal's spot on. I mean, you're ex CrossFit, Spartan, Tough Mudder, Ruck guy. Like, oh, yeah. You're going to have a – you're a client that we've trained many, many, many times. And the desire to do more is going to be the hardest thing for you to do. If you trust us, run the whole program. As it's laid out, I promise you're going to feel great.

1:27:28Adam Schafer:You have a family? You got a wife and kids?

1:27:31Justin Andrews:I got a girlfriend and, yeah, the large family.

1:27:34Adam Schafer:Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you got to make yourself effective, dude. You're doing too much. Yeah, yeah.

1:27:39Justin Andrews:I think I mentioned reading all those self-help books. I think having like David Goggins in the back of my head definitely doesn't help.

1:27:46Sal Di Stefano:Worst, yeah. Terrible advice. Terrible fitness, for sure. No, no. Okay. I mean, I'd love to follow up with you in a couple months after you do it because I think it'll make a huge difference for you. So if you reach back out to us after you've been following Maths 15, so you got some accountability there. So stick with it and then write back to us in a couple months and let us know how you're feeling.

1:28:05Justin Andrews:okay yeah that sounds great i really appreciate the time guys you got it man thanks for calling

1:28:10Adam Schafer:in all right thank you you know i want to be clear the the message that goggins will say and other people like that will say uh which is like push yourself grind like there's value in that like don't get me wrong there's definitely value in that but if you do that all the time you're not only not effective you're ineffective uh you're burnout and you're doing nobody any any benefit now you're just uh idolizing the the feeling of being you know of crushing yourself

1:28:39Sal Di Stefano:yeah it's a bit of a martyr kind of syndrome it is that that message is so strong and resonates with so many people because so many people need that and they're not doing anything and and and trying to get them to go that hard is okay maybe they'll do something in that direction it's rare that you get somebody like this who's already doing too much that's the worst message and he's a small percentage. Most people aren't doing all these things and they could do more in their life.

1:29:04Adam Schafer:Plus it's rooted, wasn't Goggins in the military? Wasn't he like that? It works perfect for military mindset. Well, yeah, because you're in war. You have to overcome. You're not getting sleep, dude. You're dying and so you got to keep going. So that makes sense, but you're not in war. It's not great for your body.

1:29:21Sal Di Stefano:And you can't live that way all the time. Body composition change is science. It's not grit. It's science. And there's a right dose. And more of that dose is not better.

1:29:32Adam Schafer:It's like, I'll take two ibuprofen from a headache. Oh, you know what I'll take? I'll take 20. Dead.

1:29:37Sal Di Stefano:And that dose is dependent on the person. It's not this general rule that, oh, this is the perfect amount of strength training. It's like, there's a perfect amount of strength training for each individual and each individual at certain periods of their life. And when you have this going on in your life, you need very little of a signal to build muscle. And any more than that is only going to throw you in that overstressed.

1:29:57Adam Schafer:Our next caller is Dulce from Texas. Hi. Hi. How are you, Dulce? Hi.

1:30:03Justin Andrews:Oh, my God. This is unreal. Thank you so much. How can we help you? Okay. Well, first of all, thank you so much for having me on. This is very exciting. I've been listening since 2018. And this is crazy. I consider you part of my family already. Oh, thank you so much.

1:30:24Sal Di Stefano:Awesome.

1:30:25Justin Andrews:This is crazy. Oh, God.

1:30:27Sal Di Stefano:We're like cousins.

1:30:28Justin Andrews:Would you like me to read my email and then my questions or just jump into my questions?

1:30:33Adam Schafer:No, whatever you feel comfortable doing. Yeah.

1:30:35Justin Andrews:Okay, perfect. All right. Well, my name is Dulce Berber, commonly known as Dolce because a lot of people pronounce it that way. Either way is fine. I'm a fitness and nutrition coach, creator of Fit by Dolce, my small business. I'm reaching out not only as a devoted listener of your podcast since 2018 but as a coach and a woman who owes a big part of her growth and transformation to your show I live in Texas though I was raised in Mexico most of my life English is my second language language so please forgive me if my pronunciation isn't the greatest still I speak from my heart over the past few years, your content has been a lifeline for me.

1:31:17Justin Andrews:You have helped me stay grounded, keep learning, and believe in myself through some of the most difficult seasons of my life. The life coaching episodes especially have changed the way I think, train, and coach others. My fitness journey began 10 years ago, but for the first eight years, I was doing nearly everything wrong. I struggled with OCD, still part of my life, but it's way better now. Disorder eating, obsessive behaviors around training. I punished my body and under eight trained out of fear, not intention. It wasn't until the last two years that I began to heal from the inside out. I began to educate myself properly, nourish my body and train with purpose.

1:32:04Justin Andrews:I've also worked closely with a great online coach who's helped me structure my own training and overcome the harsh way I used to treat my progress. I'm still very tough on myself, but I have come a long way. Professionally, I hold a national certification through NCI. I also completed two fitness certifications while I lived in Mexico, and I'm currently working hard to earn my NASM certification. Fitness is my true calling, but it's not my full-time job yet. I'm working two jobs right now to support myself and my family back in Mexico. And while my financial situation has been tough, I haven't given up.

1:32:47Justin Andrews:Today, I write to ask two honest questions I carry with me every day. number one do I still have the potential for meaningful muscle growth and physical change at nearly 29 years old after spending so many years training improperly I have training I have been training consistently for a decade but only the last two years have been guided by real knowledge proper nutrition and recovery sometimes I wonder if I've missed my window or if my body still has more to give. And number two, how can I overcome imposter syndrome as a coach? Even after three years of helping some of my clients improve and studying nonstop, I still find myself doubting my worth.

1:33:35Justin Andrews:I sometimes feel like my small wins are just luck, not the result of hard work. I want to believe that I'm a great coach, that I truly belong in this space. I want to build a mindset that keeps me inspired and moving forward even when fitness isn't yet my main income and feel in life feels uncertain your podcast has been more than just education to me it's been a voice of a strength reason and hope thank you for everything you have done to the community and especially you what you have done to me because you don't realize it but you have changed my life in the positive way. I'm deeply grateful and I will be honoring you to the time to share your perspective.

1:34:20Adam Schafer:Dulce, I like you a lot. I like you a lot. So the first answer to your question is yes, of course. 29 years, you can do it at 79, okay? But at 29, yes, your body can respond and change and all that stuff. Here's what I like about you. You have good character and you're humble. You're the kind of person that I want working for me. I want you to go to mindpumpjobs.com and I want you to apply because we are looking for virtual coaches who can work from a distance. Now the hiring person is Kyle. So he's in charge of hiring. We've been, we've given him all the authority to do so. He's the one that makes the decision, but I want you to apply there because you've got really good character.

1:35:03Adam Schafer:You're the kind of person that I think would be a good addition. Thank you.

1:35:07Justin Andrews:Like, I think that was my standard. I was like, if I feel like I'm ready to apply for the mind pump guys, then I have, I have done a good job as a coach. And honestly, I feel like this is, this is, this is my calling. Fitness is my everything. I have overcome so much and fitness has been part of my life. Oh my God, I'm going to cry. It has been a huge part of it. I feel like so many things have changed thanks to fitness, not only physically, but mentally, especially mentally.

1:35:41Adam Schafer:Yeah, I get that. How many, how much family do you have in Mexico that you support?

1:35:44Justin Andrews:I do have my husband. Um, we're working on getting his legal residency right now. Uh, I have my sister and my dad, um, and I have my two pets. Yeah.

1:35:57Sal Di Stefano:I want to address the imposter syndrome since it's so common in the, in the, in our space, it's common in any profession, I believe, but it's, I feel like it's even more common in personal training. And there's two, there's two big keys here. One is outwork your self-doubt, meaning the more reps you get, you're going to build confidence in who you are and what you're capable of. And then number two, don't misrepresent what you do or what you can do. I think what happens is why trainers get imposter syndrome is they're making promises. They're telling people they can do this and in their head, they're going, but I've never done that before.

1:36:33Sal Di Stefano:So don't say that. So don't tell somebody you can or did something that you haven't done yet. Be honest. And I think there's, there's something so freeing about saying things like, Hey, I've never had somebody like you, but I'm so excited to take on the challenge because I'll tell you something right now, nobody's going to work harder at helping you than myself. I have a passion for this. So speak your truth. Speak who you are, where you're at in your current journey, and people will receive that. If you try and pretend like a lot of trainers do and act like you're something that you're not, that's where imposter syndrome creeps in.

1:37:08Sal Di Stefano:So speak your truth. Be honest. Do not be afraid or to say where you're currently at in your journey of this whole process. and then the second one is just get those damn reps in if a person is not in front of you if you are not helping somebody even if it's for free you're missing out on the education and the learning phase of this whole process and i'll tell you once you've got a hundred reps in your back pocket and you look like you're gonna that confidence on how you speak about what you do will be there yeah and so that's the key those two things just to piggyback off that too like it's

1:37:39Justin Andrews:it's not um you're not doing this for the approval of other coaches you're doing this for the education and knowledge for your clients and to really build them up specifically. And so your motivation is always about like bringing in as much as you can to help and to guide these clients. And so I know that becomes a trap for a lot of trainers where they're trying to portray this knowledge out there so other coaches will kind of agree with them or they'll get approval on some level. But really if you just stay focused on that and what you're good at and you have a lot to give. So just always remember that.

1:38:16Adam Schafer:They'll say a trainer with a little bit of knowledge who builds incredible relationships and trust with their clients is infinitely more effective than a trainer with all the knowledge that does a terrible job building relationships and trust with their clients. And what comes, what leads to that relationship and trust is consistency and honesty. So when you're vulnerable and you're talking the way you are right now, that's why I said I like you. Yep. Because you weren't pretending. You're just like, hey, here's the deal. Here's where I came from. This is what it means to me. This is what I love doing.

1:38:49Adam Schafer:That's the character of a trainer that does a great job with clients. So when we hang up here, go and apply. Apply, and hopefully Kyle and you can meet or talk, and it works out. And then you'll get more clients than you can handle.

1:39:05Sal Di Stefano:Regardless, take the advice, though I said, okay, on the imposter syndrome, no matter what happens. Yes, I will. For sure. Go get those reps. Speak your truth. Mindpumpjobs.com. There it is.

1:39:14Justin Andrews:mypumpjobs.com. Okay. Okay.

1:39:16Adam Schafer:You got to look it up right now. All right. I'll say we'll see you there.

1:39:19Justin Andrews:Thank you so much. You guys, God bless you. Okay. Thank you. You got it.

1:39:23Adam Schafer:Thank you. Yeah. It's a, it's all about character. Now if she meets all the other criteria, Kyle's an excellent, does an amazing job at hiring a good people, but that's it right there. That's the character. That's the, and you know, she presents that to her clients. You know, they're going to love her. They're going to want to follow her. They're going to listen to her and she'll connect with them because she's not putting out this fake, you know, I know everything kind of persona, which a lot of trainers will do, but it comes out of insecurity. And then it really does feed into that imposter syndrome.

1:39:50Adam Schafer:All of a sudden you're trying to live up to something that you're, that you're not. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram, Mind Pump Media. We'll see you there. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump.

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