2674: Top 10 Addictive Foods You Can't Stop Eating & More (Listener Live Coaching)

13:58Justin Andrews:yeah that's usually referring to some kind of clay in the soil but yeah i think it's the same term isn't that weird yeah because they were deficient yeah yeah yeah craving uh the next

14:08Adam Schafer:food on here is chocolate this one has zero pull on me i don't care about chocolate doesn't bother me whatsoever my wife oh my god in fact it's so powerful it is my back pocket hack if she's upset with me that i buy her some chocolate now do you also think that you can't not this must be my

14:26Sal Di Stefano:feminine treat is it do you think that's because like the iron and like her her natural no she

14:31Adam Schafer:just has a relationship with it that she's developed since she was a kid she just loves chocolate doug doug's a big chocolate yeah you and doug both like look he's got it right here

14:40Justin Andrews:yeah i like yeah i like it i mean it's mainly in combination with peanut butter i don't really like separating the two uh it's it's a marriage it has to be together i've seen justin can i just

14:55Adam Schafer:i've seen him before it's all right it's fine literally a jar of skippy with chocolate yeah Oh, yeah.

15:03Justin Andrews:Skippy, it's so bad. It's so processed, but it's delicious.

15:08Adam Schafer:It's candy.

15:08Sal Di Stefano:I actually have found, because I don't have a pool for chocolate either, but dark chocolate does satisfy a craving for me that I can control. So Doug is actually - So if you have a little bit, then you're just - Yeah, I never was a dark chocolate eater until Doug. And what I found about it that I could see why maybe he has this pool. I don't know. I'm speaking for him. But I know that like there's times where I have like that ice cream or that sweet tooth pool. And if I just go have a piece of dark chocolate, it seems to satisfy that and not make me want to binge more. Is that, do you have a relationship with it?

15:42Justin Andrews:Exactly. Yeah. So if I want sweets, I take a piece of dark chocolate. Maybe I'll have two, but that's enough.

15:48Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. It's super dark. Like it's the only candy or sweet that actually I'll put more than half of it back in the freezer. It's remarkably low sugar though.

15:57Adam Schafer:The one that Doug gets.

15:57Sal Di Stefano:Very low sugar. Yeah. Yeah, I do like the 89 or 90-something cacao or whatever. What is that?

16:02Justin Andrews:Yeah, the whole bar has around 8 grams of sugar. No, the whole bar, 11 grams of sugar. The whole bar. The whole bar.

16:09Adam Schafer:So that's not like the kind of, yeah, that's not like candy, candy. No, I know.

16:12Sal Di Stefano:That's my point, though, is I'm actually a fan of dark chocolate as a way to help somebody curb their sweet tooth because I struggle with that.

16:21Adam Schafer:It would be interesting to see how much people overeat like the traditional milk chocolate, candy-like chocolate. versus like the dark, dark chocolate. I'm sure it's quite dramatic. Big difference. Oh, yeah. Big difference. Yeah. All right. Next up is cookies. Cookies makes the list. I think that's yours, Justin, right? You're on there with cookies.

16:39Justin Andrews:You're just attacking me. No, no, no.

16:42Adam Schafer:Cookies for me don't have that big of a pull. It's not that big of a deal to me. I like a good fresh cookie. My kids with cookies, they'll fight and cry. If we give them cookies, it's going to start a tantrum. There is no amount that will satisfy them. I've done this before. I buy the healthier cookies, and I'll give it to them. And then all day long, they're just ungrateful. I can't have them in the house.

17:02Sal Di Stefano:Can I just say, too, since you brought up healthier cookies, I even think that the healthier sweet treats are almost a bigger trap. Because then you go down the justification of like, Maggie, I just did this the other day. Eat more of it. You know that skinny pop bullshit? Yeah, yeah. I ate the whole bag. Yeah. Because I flip it around, I'm like, oh, this is not bad at all. Yeah. And you just can't. It's so light. It's half the calories. Yeah. Twice as much. Yeah, and it's less filling. So it's like, it's so light. and the next thing you know, it's like, oh, I ate the whole bag. So I should have just got the 800-calorie popcorn anyway.

17:28Adam Schafer:Next up is French fries. This is me right here. You guys have seen me firsthand. Just personal trait, 100%. This is true.

17:37Justin Andrews:Yeah, you eat all my bag fries.

17:39Adam Schafer:We're in California, and in California, you have In-N-Out, a lot of In-N-Outs here. And sometimes we'll go to In-N-Out with the kids. They love it there. They can act crazy and loud. It's not a big deal. So sometimes we'll take them there. And I'll do like the protein-style burgers. I don't typically eat the bun. But I'll order, and I'm not exaggerating, three or four fries, and I'll eat my kids, no problem. In fact, I will eat all the fries. It doesn't matter how many you order. I've done this before. Let me get four of these, and I'll eat them all. And then my kids don't want theirs, and I'll eat it all.

18:08Adam Schafer:And I feel terrible. Again, I think it's really important to know yourself and your weaknesses because, for me, if I was trying to get leaner, I just wouldn't be around French fries. It's just too much of a temptation. Yeah, yeah. Too difficult.

18:22Sal Di Stefano:Well, this is why, again, this is why I'm not a fan of the IFYM is because when these foods that were admittedly, we're going down and all admitting the pool that it has on us, like you include that in the diet. And it just, to your point, makes it hard mode. Yep. It's like, you know, if you eliminate it for weeks, you lose a lot of times that craving for it.

18:42Adam Schafer:Good point.

18:43Sal Di Stefano:You introduce it.

18:43Adam Schafer:Those neural networks weaken.

18:45Sal Di Stefano:Yes. Big time. Yeah, it might be hard for the first couple of weeks, but then once you get past those couple of weeks, the pool is not towards you.

18:51Adam Schafer:It's like any other addictive habit. The initial stage is the most difficult. But the further you get away from it, the neural networks start to weaken because neurons that fire together wire together, the opposite is also true. And it starts to lose its pull on you. Now you reintroduce it, you strengthen it again, you keep back on.

19:07Sal Di Stefano:So that's why the idea of the cheat meal or cheat day every week was just such a terror. It was not a strategy I used in bodybuilding. It was just like, I'm just going to try and be dialed as long as I possibly can. And if something happens, it happens. but scheduling it every week, I felt like I was just setting myself up for a trap.

19:24Adam Schafer:Now, next up is soda. I believe soda. This is number one in my opinion. This has to be one of the worst inventions ever. By the way, the history of soda is really interesting. This is the worst. The original soda. Okay. When it was first created, it started with carbonated water and all these medical, medical claims that carbonated water solved all these things. In fact, they were sold like doctors and medical professionals would sell this. and then they would add syrup to it to flavor it. And again, there were medical claims with this. This is how soda started. And then soda started getting sold to the public and the serving sizes were tiny.

20:01Adam Schafer:I don't know if you guys have ever seen like what McDonald's would serve when they first opened for a regular soda. It would qualify as a shot glass today in comparison to what we -

20:10Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, the large back then is smaller than the small today. That's right. Yeah, yeah.

20:14Adam Schafer:It was like a taste. It was like a taste. Soda is so bad, some experts would place the blame on Mexico's exploding obesity rate. Mexico went from having a really low obesity rate to this rapid, rapid growth of obesity. And they were like, what is going on? And what it was was that the traditional Mexican family was not having soda at dinner. And then it suddenly turned into soda with every single meal. There's soda consumption being some of the highest in the Western hemisphere. And it was, and so they're like, this is, this is largely. It's, I mean,

20:56Justin Andrews:it's crazy that I don't have as much pull to that because my dad and my brother, both, we would stop before going anywhere, church, anything to seven 11 and get big gulps, super big gulp, double big gulps. And they, and they like continued that for years. And I was in, of course, you know, led to diabetes. And it's just, it was just a recipe I saw right in front of me for disaster.

21:22Sal Di Stefano:Have you guys seen the, I took a picture that a long time ago, it's been a while. So I have no idea if this, it'd be interesting to see if this has changed. But AM PM's largest. Oh, have you ever seen it before? It's a gallon cup. Oh my God.

21:38Adam Schafer:Look up AM. Wait, hold on. He just looked something up. Look at this. Mexico has the highest per capita consumption of Coca-Cola globally, consuming the average of 700 8-ounce servings annually.

21:49Sal Di Stefano:This high consumption... Wait, wait. 700 8-ounce servings annually? So that means they're doing two a day every day. On average. And I'm telling you right now, you guys... That's the crazy thing the average is doing two Cokes a day. That's Coke.

22:02Adam Schafer:It's not even adding all this stuff. I'm telling you guys right now, if you look at Mexico... I don't remember what the years were, but it's like the 1970s to like the 90s. I've seen it before.

22:09Sal Di Stefano:I see when Coke got introduced there, it goes right with it.

22:13Adam Schafer:And it wasn't, now they eat a lot of processed foods too, but at first it was like traditional Mexican food and then just soda all the time. And it exploded their obesity. Anyway, what were you asking for the -

22:23Sal Di Stefano:Oh yeah, AMPM's largest Big Gulp. What is it called? Double Gulp? 64 ounces? No, no, no, no. Even bigger than that? Oh yeah, it gets way bigger. They have a double X, go down.

22:34Adam Schafer:Yeah, it gets way bigger. They have an AMPM double X large fountain cup, 50. No, let me see if I can find it. It gets bigger than that. It gets definitely bigger than that. Did they take it out? Maybe they took it out because of backlash. I've seen, I've seen. There's one right there to the left. That's 64 ounces. Like a gallon mug. Oh my God. You know what? Okay, so just to - Yeah, how many ounces are in a gallon? So there's 16 ounces per gallon. No, no, no, no. 16 ounces, not a gallon. I mean, sorry, six - How many ounces are in a gallon? That's wrong.

23:04Justin Andrews:16 pounds per gallon. No, no, no. Just Google it. Whatever.

23:08Sal Di Stefano:we have all the answers keep trying to guess

23:12Adam Schafer:16 yeah okay i'm off i'm off yeah there's a gallon yeah yeah look it up but 64 i forgot what

23:19Sal Di Stefano:the so that one that one's not the exact one but it's the size of the one i'm talking about and it had a name i think they got rid of it bro 16 is a pint did they i think they got rid of it because

23:28Justin Andrews:of backlash so there's 16 ounces per pound that's what i meant yeah but we don't want that and eight Eight pounds per gallon, right?

23:35Adam Schafer:No, no, Doug, you just type this in.

23:37Justin Andrews:How many ounces in a gallon?

23:39Sal Di Stefano:Huh? 128 ounces. So it's a half a gallon. A half gallon in one drink.

23:42Justin Andrews:Did you see that they actually took that off of the options for food stamps? Yeah. Soda. And that caused a bit of a rift. Of course. Yeah.

23:51Adam Schafer:People like to be controlled. People love their soda. I get it. Oh, I didn't know that it was taken off completely. And lots of other processed foods. You guys pro for that? I don't like people being controlled, but you're in a system that is giving you free stuff. It's free stuff. What are you going to do?

24:04Justin Andrews:I mean, I'm all for it.

24:06Adam Schafer:It'll improve people's health unless they figure out what I'm going to do.

24:08Sal Di Stefano:I mean, honestly, why not go all the way? You're giving free food. Why? We should be all healthy food. Yeah. I mean, you're moving in that direction.

24:16Adam Schafer:You know, not to get sidetracked here, but the problem with quote unquote healthy food is the shelf life. So when you have a lot of these families, what will happen is they'll buy the healthy food, but it goes bad before they can eat it because of work situations, whatever the situation is at home. So processed foods can be very attractive.

24:34Sal Di Stefano:I feel like that's such a terrible, that's just terrible.

24:37Adam Schafer:You have to shop every day.

24:38Sal Di Stefano:You know that. I mean, yeah. I mean, I was somebody who, we got these. You know, we did the, what do you call them? They call them. What are the food stamps? No, no, no. Oh, wait, we had food stamps too, but they did the, they're called like food cabinets or whatever. Oh, okay. Where you can go get, where you go wait in line and you can get a free box of food or whatever. But it is, it's always super processed. Well, what makes you, they store it.

24:59Adam Schafer:That's what I'm saying.

25:00Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, that's what makes sense is that the people that are donating it to give it, to give it away, they have to store it.

25:05Adam Schafer:It's just so inefficient that if we were going with fresh foods and government was providing it, there would be so much waste because it would go bad. Yeah, I get that. That's the problem. Yeah, I get that. That's the challenge. But anyway, just to add to what you said earlier about introducing it to your kids, I grew up with never having soda. We didn't have soda growing up. So you don't even care about it. Soda has no pull on me. I know.

25:27Sal Di Stefano:That's why everybody I know that has a story like that of the, oh, I don't even care about the foods because they didn't get introduced to the chaos.

25:34Adam Schafer:That's right. It's always stuck with you. Yeah, it's right. Now, soda, now on the opposite end of the scale is my wife. She grew up always having soda. In fact, she talks about how there were a lot, like for most, not most of her life, a lot of her life when she was younger, she drank no water. All she had was soda. until this day water by itself she has to kind of get herself into the rhythm in fact she uses element she's element like crazy because she needs it to be flavored because she grew up always having soda i never had soda so i can actually get sick of soda very quickly that's

26:07Justin Andrews:it's interesting because yeah we we're adamant about not having soda in our house we still don't have soda if anything it'll be like a zevia or something is like a treat uh but then of course that's sort of the rebellious pull for our oldest son anytime he's out it's like soda is such a big

26:23Sal Di Stefano:deal for him and he didn't have soda growing up at all oh interesting none yeah i don't think it's

26:28Justin Andrews:it i wish that was the case you know it's just he he has like a serious pull towards it oh interesting

26:34Sal Di Stefano:yeah yeah that's interesting i mean it's funny because i know that i i see the the how i'm i've totally pulled back on the reins with that stuff now like now that he's six and give him a lot of autonomy now and he still doesn't go for it yeah well he'll he'll still he'll have stuff but it fascinates me how i mean we just uh what i just buy him we just went somewhere oh we just uh those those stupid uh gummy nerds that you got me on the the you know what i'm talking about by the way

27:02Adam Schafer:that's the next one is candy yeah yeah so next one is candy so gummy nerds you got me on those

27:07Sal Di Stefano:oh we just did a little drive i did a drive with them we did one of our driving days and uh those are crazy we pulled over the gas station and we had already had breakfast and i surprised him with that and he was all excited and so with that and i gave him just gave him the bag while i'm driving and he maybe like two or something dude he had like not even half the bag i ended up crushing the rest of the bag the other night the next last night so it's so funny because candy made the list

27:31Adam Schafer:that's next and i again going back to childhood the foods that i would the foods that i'm talking about now that have a pull on me are all the foods that i would have as a kid yeah me too and my dad was a candy guy now he liked the hard candy the italian candy but i remember my dad would sit in front of the tv with a bag of like the one the ones your grandma gives you the wrappers that look like a picture of a strawberry or something like that he would sit there and eat just candy so as a kid you know i'd eat them too yeah so i now have this affinity you guys know this for like the sugary cheap candy yeah and if you put that in front of me i'll eat the hell out of

28:04Sal Di Stefano:it you know there's another part of this that you haven't touched on that i think that well the nostalgia of like which is that's the associate yes yeah is like so my my grandma when i would visit her i had like unfettered access to candy we also we already had candy we did we just couldn't afford to have a lot of it all the time for more oh exactly but then when i went to grandma's it was all the big bags i could have and i just i mean i crushed it so there's this part of also seeing grandma and that part and doing that and the relationship i had with her and so i have such a you know there's a comedian that does a whole bit on that with

28:36Adam Schafer:McDonald's where they have the playground and it's all happy. And you show, you go there with your kid and he's like, you know, we should do with food like that. You should like punch your kid in the face every time. So they have a terrible association. Yeah. Make it miserable. Anyway, next up is donuts. Another one for me. Yeah. This one. No, I, no problem. I can totally not. Donuts.

28:55Sal Di Stefano:You know, donuts have such a pull for me, but that changed because they, as I got older, they really started to upset my donuts will wreck your gut.

29:04Adam Schafer:Wreck my gut.

29:05Sal Di Stefano:As a kid, no lie, I could eat a dozen donuts as a kid.

29:08Adam Schafer:Oh, my God. Yes.

29:10Sal Di Stefano:And again, another association with grandma. When I go visit grandma, I used to get a dozen donuts.

29:15Adam Schafer:You know what's crazy about donuts to me is donuts are so just terrible for you. And it's a breakfast food. I know. You want to have like crazy blood sugar all day and insulin spikes and crashes? Eat donuts for breakfast.

29:29Sal Di Stefano:There was also one on the way to my high school that I walked to every day too. So literally it was part of my routine of doing that. Even when I first started working at 24 hour fitness, it became like a routine in the morning that I have such a terrible trainer. Oh, so terrible. And it wasn't until my like mid to late twenties that it really started to affect my gut. Oh, and then it was just like, then it just got to a point where like more than one of those things will destroy me.

29:51Adam Schafer:Now last on this list, this one makes me laugh because in this room, one of us, I've never seen a grown man. I have never seen a grown man, go to the grocery store and buy just a cake for themselves. Not for their birthday, but just because they wanted to eat cake. That was Adam. I've seen him do that before. Let them eat cake. We'll go on a business trip and we'll go to the grocery store to buy food for breakfast and sometimes I'll buy chips and whatever. And then Adam will be in line with a cake. What are we celebrating, dude? He's just got cake right there.

30:26Sal Di Stefano:I mean, I'm going down this list and I'm like, God, I got a lot of weaknesses. You got a lot of weaknesses right here. It's amazing. I'm like all in the middle. Yeah. That's why the whole bodybuilding thing was such an accomplishment for me. I mean, to go that far, to not have a lot. I was just going to show how disciplined you are. Oh, man. But again, I just, I don't know. The thing for me that I just keep hammering home is to the parents right now. Those of you that are becoming parents or going to be parents, like just the longer you delay the stuff, and I'm not saying to keep this stuff. My kid has had all this stuff, by the way, now.

30:57Sal Di Stefano:But the longer you delay it, I think the happier you will be. I really, really believe that. It helps. And they still could have it. Again, he's had everything on this list, but the relationship that I see that he has with it is so different than the relationship that I have with it. And so I wish I would have done that because it's had a hold of me my whole life. All right.

31:18Adam Schafer:We talked about gut health. One of the supplements or products that I use, the most consistently of all the ones that were sponsored by has been Seed. Yeah, probiotic. Yeah, it's just, you know, I took it. The first time I took it, I've had gut health issues for a long, I mean, for a long time, probably over 20 years. Although now my gut health is just remarkably good in comparison to how it used to be. But when we first started working with Seed, it was like the best probiotic I ever used. And I used it nonstop for years, ever since we started with them. And then ever since I had not stopped using it.

31:53Adam Schafer:Well, anyway, I went through probably a two-month period of not using it because we didn't have any in the back and for whatever reason they didn't send any because we had to tell them to send some yeah and i was just lazy and forgetting and um you know i i finally told our assistant i said hey let's get seed they got to send us some more because i haven't taken them for a little while so i had a two-month break of not using seed just started using it again regularly so now it's been about a week unbelievable unbelievable yeah it actually it helped my sleep which is wild it helped my sleep uh inflammation and my gut health as good as it was is even better it's like it's

32:31Sal Di Stefano:incredible i always feel like the best way to tell how how effective a supplement is for you is like that go off yeah it's being very consistent go off for a break like that and then go back on it makes you more aware of the benefits that it was or was not doing for you i find that that's those are the times where i normally like lock in and go oh that was making a bigger difference because sometimes you just you acclimate hard to pin it to that one thing oh maybe it was all this other stuff but then when you take it off and then you go back on you can you can really

32:59Adam Schafer:see a difference like oh it was doing something you know pretty big this is also one of the

33:03Sal Di Stefano:companies that i've yet to have any of one of our customers i know that has switched from their other probiotic and then gone to seed and not such a superior product to whatever else is out

33:14Justin Andrews:oh my god it's not even close it's not even it's not even the same product it's not even the same category last time i took it was after um and i've been trying to make sure like i'm conscious about if i ever take any antibiotics like after that whole process yeah repopulating like so it at least good about that but like the consistency you notice the difference if you are consistently

33:34Adam Schafer:using it yeah all right i gotta i gotta talk about a clip i don't did you see that clip i sent you this morning i said hey how do you feel about it oh about billy graham no no oh no it was a different one okay yeah i got that one too but it's a different one it was the same guy that's why I thought it was the same clip. So this guy, this guy is a pastor and he gets on, I want to communicate this because, um, I don't know if women know this enough. I really don't. Uh, he gets on there and he talks about how many times he's been canceled on social media. So he's a pastor, so he'll say some stuff.

34:04Adam Schafer:And there was a period there where if you said certain things, I don't think so anymore, uh, these days, but there was a period there where you, you just say something and it not even that bad. You would get automatically canceled, taken off social media, whatever. And he was talking about this the first time it happened to him. And part of his way he supports his family besides pastoring at this church is he has a social media page, quite popular. And he says, man, the first time I got canceled, he's like, it feels like you're just getting hit from all angles. Everybody hates you. I'm getting hammered.

34:35Adam Schafer:And he's like, and I am just so down. I'm so down. You know, he loses his social media, which is a source of the way he supports his family and he's coming home just down and he feels like he let down his family and he opens the garage and his wife and kids are standing at the garage and they're like welcome home daddy and he's like what is going on and he walks into the dining room and his favorite meal is made because his wife knows this is his favorite she makes it she has candles in there and she's like and he's like what are you doing and she's like we're celebrating and he's like what do you mean and She said, those who will be persecuted in my name will be blessed.

35:14Adam Schafer:There's a verse in the Bible. And what it highlights, and this is what I— She says, tonight we feast. Yeah. And just what this highlights is, and women need to know this, the power that you have to strengthen your husbands is— there is no more encouraging person to me than my wife. Or should I say, if she's got my back and she encourages me when I'm down, it fills me with fire. It really does. And I don't know any husband who doesn't feel otherwise. You feel like you're just sucking, and you go home and your wife's like, I'm proud of you. You got this. Oh, my God. It fills your sail, fills with wind.

35:57Adam Schafer:And you're just going forward.

35:58Sal Di Stefano:That's the same pastor that I sent over to you that shared the crown, that your wife is your crown. That's right. And I shared that with Katrina. She really liked that. She's just like, I 100 % feel that way.

36:09Adam Schafer:Isn't that crazy? Let me ask you guys this. If everything was falling apart around you, so long as your wife is your cheerleader and supporter, you feel like you could do anything. Yeah, indestructible. Isn't that crazy? Yeah, you need that.

36:21Justin Andrews:You need that every now and then.

36:23Sal Di Stefano:I know it's cliche to say it, but that's where that old saying comes from, where behind every good man is a great woman. Yeah. and i think that again i think that unfortunately has been distorted or people like oh that's so old-fashioned or whatever it's like no there's so much psychological truth to that and spiritual truth to that yes dude i mean and and it's admitting that she is greater you know you're a good man she's great and the ability the humility for her to do to stand in that position or be that way when she's great is just is what makes that person that that that's much more special and so and i mean i i definitely know that our relationship uh operates in that place i mean katrina 100 uh runs so much of the behind the scenes and if it wasn't for her being my greatest cheerleader and fan and supporting me the way she does like i i don't i don't wear the crown yeah

37:18Adam Schafer:my wife has the power to lift me up in ways that nobody else does there's a scene from the movie i know it's fiction or whatever but 300 300 yeah where he's about to go off and basically die he's going to go fight against odds that are just going to die. And his wife is sending him off. Yeah. And she looks at him and she goes, come back with your shield or on your shield. Or on your shield, yeah. And you can see his face was like, let's go. Fuck yeah. Yeah. It's just really crazy. I know some people will twist that and be like, oh, we're, men are insecure or whatever. No, no, it's just the way we're made.

37:48Adam Schafer:Just the way we're made. Just, you know, so. Yeah, yeah. It's good stuff. It was really, really good stuff.

37:52Sal Di Stefano:I read a thing today that I thought was interesting, a little bit of a transition of conversation, but around, I've been, well, I was just paying attention. I know you've been paying attention to Bitcoin and stuff. And in 2018, Harvard had came out with a statement saying that, you know, Bitcoin is more likely to go down to a hundred dollars than to be up at a hundred thousand dollars. Fast forward to 2025 and Harvard university invested in about$116 million. I thought that was pretty interesting. I think that's great. It's crazy. where I don't know.

38:27Adam Schafer:You know, I almost became a billionaire with Bitcoin. Almost. I did. No, listen, you know, Martin.

38:33Justin Andrews:I can't tell you how many people have said that.

38:35Adam Schafer:Listen, no, this is real though. You know, Martin, I have a client, good friend, and we worked out together and he was a libertarian. He was all into that like deregulated whatever. I don't know. He came to me and tried to explain Bitcoin to me. And he was so convincing. I still don't understand it. And he's like, just buy like$500 worth. Just throw 500 bucks at it and don't worry about it and leave it. And I was like, and he convinced me. I'm like, all right, I'll do that. I'm like, all right, how do I do that? He's like, well, you got to buy this like hard drive and you got to create a wallet.

39:02Adam Schafer:And I was like, nah, I'm not going to do it. That$500 today, I think it would be hundreds of millions of dollars. Where is he at?

39:08Justin Andrews:What was the price per Bitcoin at that time?

39:10Adam Schafer:Oh, it was, it was, it was dollars. It was a dollar. It was nothing. I would own like 500 Bitcoins. Where, where is he at now? Oh, I haven't, I, you know what? I should reach out to him. You guys should.

39:19Sal Di Stefano:If this guy was telling you back then, I would have -

39:21Adam Schafer:I guarantee you he's got - Because I knew he bought a bunch of it back then. He was mining it back then. He actually figured out - He understood how to mine it. He got a computer to do it, and he would mine it. And back then, you could mine a Bitcoin every week.

39:32Justin Andrews:No wonder he haven't heard from it. He's on some private island right now.

39:37Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, it'd be interesting to hear where he's at at this current moment. That's crazy. If he was touting it back then when very few people - Oh, I guarantee he bought more than$500 worth.

39:48Adam Schafer:I mean, I remember when I - The problem is this. I wonder if he sold it, you know, when he made a million or 500 ,000, right? Because that's the hard part is could you have held it until it got to here?

40:00Sal Di Stefano:Man, you got to be crazy if you believed in it that strongly way back then. Then you just hold it. And at least a portion of it, right? You have 500 coins. You hang on to a couple. You don't sell all of it. There's no way. I mean, that would be.

40:13Adam Schafer:See, that's the thing. Would you have been able to? Imagine if you put 500 bucks worth and then you saw that it was worth$50 ,000. Would you have, where would you been? Like, this is a fluke. I'm taking my money. What is that dollar amount? Give me the dollar amount. That would matter.

40:27Sal Di Stefano:Imagine if it was from$500 to$50 ,000. I know, but I'm talking about the total revenue. What is that? 50 ,000 times 500? What are we doing? No, no, no.

40:34Adam Schafer:What I'm saying is - 2.5 million? No, no, no. What I'm saying is if it was worth$500 and then you saw it worth$50 ,000, would you have sold it? I know. And what I'm saying to you is

40:42Sal Di Stefano:you need to give me the total dollar of value. that is a total that's right no no no it's not you have to do 500 times two no no no if you bought

40:50Adam Schafer:500 worth oh and then it went up to 50 all of them combined oh no you would have kept it yeah back then yeah i don't know if i would have because when it was worth 50 000 i would have thought this is i'm lucky just to get here i might have sold it i don't know if i would have kept it

41:05Sal Di Stefano:i mean those people that believed in that believed it's going to be the reason why they believe it so strongly they think it's going to be the actual currency in the future yeah but do they believe

41:12Adam Schafer:it in enough to hold on to it after they've made you know 50 grand off of 500 bucks or 500 grand

41:19Sal Di Stefano:even i mean what point would you be crazy to not at least keep a certain percentage of it still in there now in hindsight well i mean even then though right i don't know i mean i don't know

41:29Adam Schafer:i wonder how many people did that because the difference between that bitcoin and like let's

41:34Sal Di Stefano:say a stock in a company for example like that's different like if i may if i you know 100x my money in a stock like oh i'm cashing out just because of the the likelihood of what what that is in a company versus a thing that i believe is going to be the currency in the future well

41:50Adam Schafer:you're going to be do this so for 500 coins who are a dollar each how much would they have to be each to be 50 000 what's the what is that that means that they would each be worth 10 it's a hundred times increase so at what year ten dollars what year would you sell it ten dollars So it was a dollar. Not 10,$100. What year was Bitcoin worth 100 bucks? Because what would help me is if I see the year of this, I don't know if I would have been like, oh yeah, it's going to keep going. Based on what's going on in the economy. Yeah, I would have been like, nah, this is, I'm lucky to get here. 2013. Yeah, dude, 2013?

42:21Adam Schafer:You would have waited from then until now? Not me. I would have probably sold it. I bet a lot of people did that early on. They already made their tons of returns that are probably like, I'm lucky. Yeah, it'd be interesting to see

42:32Sal Di Stefano:how many people have been in and out of it that actually had them like that. That's right. I mean, the move would always be to, I mean, the move is to always keep - Of course. But your original investment - That's what you're supposed to do. Yeah, at least your original investment in it so you're leveraging or hedging, at least if it does keep going that way.

42:48Adam Schafer:Well, you know what they say in investments? It's not about, the people who are able to do it are the ones that are just disciplined. It's not the, you follow your emotions, you're done.

42:56Sal Di Stefano:But part of what makes it so valuable is that there's a finite, right? There's a finite amount. So if you were selling people on that you need to go buy this thing and you believed in it as a future currency and you know there's only X amount, even if it's not the currency, it's just a currency, you got to believe that it's going to be worth a lot more. I would hope so.

43:19Adam Schafer:But in 2013, everybody still said Bitcoin is nothing. It's a total scam. Nobody was saying this is going to be, except for the super weirdos. Like nobody, you know what I mean? Yeah.

43:29Sal Di Stefano:You see how many there's, I mean, BlackRock is taking on a bunch. Oh, yeah. You have real estate now that's being. I actually heard something really. People think it's going to be Bitcoin. You know what? I heard something really, speaking of this, we're talking about Bitcoin. Really interesting that's happening right now, too. Because now you're seeing houses that are being bought that way. So people. Wait, people are buying houses with Bitcoin? Yes. Wow. Yeah, it's already happened. Not only that, people are buying shares of a house as an investment. like 25 people go in on a single house that say is worth$300 ,000.

44:00Sal Di Stefano:And so people who don't have a lot of money can, and they, and they, they divide the house up by 25.

44:06Adam Schafer:And so they're collecting. So are these investment companies or groups that are going in and buying so many houses and then selling shares of the. Yes. So someone's going in right away. I went,

44:16Sal Di Stefano:this is kind of actually brilliant. Are these called REITs?

44:18Adam Schafer:REITs? Is that what those are? No, no, that's not REITs. That's something else. Okay.

44:20Sal Di Stefano:So you go in, you buy a house, let's just say for an easy number for everybody for$300 ,000. or let's do a number like$250 ,000 and you sell it to 25 people. Each person has a thousand. Yeah. So each person has a thousand. And then you go rent that place and that rent makes a small rental income. You get that percentage. Everybody gets a percentage of that. And then now they got an investment in property in the United States. Very interesting.

44:43Adam Schafer:Very, very interesting. I wonder what that's going to do. There's a growing percentage of homes are being bought, single family homes are bought by these companies that aren't single families. So a lot of people don't like that.

44:54Justin Andrews:They're on a way to compete with BlackRock, that's for sure.

44:57Adam Schafer:That's right. Yeah, there's a lot of people that aren't happy about that because they think it drives the prices up, and then they can't buy it for their family.

45:02Justin Andrews:Because they were doing this with commercial buildings before, right?

45:05Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, but you know what this also does too? This opens up the market for people overseas to be investors in it, the same way you buy in a stock market. I don't know how much I like that. Well, yeah, no, what it's going to do is going to send a lot of land already. A lot of predictions. And you guys know that I've kicked up the looking for us because we've been cold for a long time, I do think we're going to go on a run next year. I think rates are going to get lowered by the end of this year or next year, and it's going to shoot us up again.

45:33Adam Schafer:You know, I don't disagree with you because so many people's wealth is tied into their homes now that it's political suicide to allow the market to drop. You know what I mean? Like it's so tied to people's wealth that if you're the politician that's like, we're going to lower home prices. You don't want to be that one. You know, a lot of people are like, no, you're not. All my wealth is tied up in my home. You know, there are many millionaires there are in America who aren't really millionaires. It's just the value. My parents. My parents are in this category. My dad was, he didn't go to school.

46:05Adam Schafer:He was a poor Sicilian. He bought a house in San Jose, working his butt off, blue collar. They still own their home. It's paid off. On paper, because they have a house in San Jose, they're millionaires. But my parents aren't millionaires. It's just their house is working.

46:17Sal Di Stefano:I believe that's a large percentage of the millionaire category. It is. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. I think I've seen that stat before, but a big portion of people that are quote unquote millionaires are because of their, their property is worth that or more than that. And they've had it for 20, 30 years or whatever like that. But you know, you imagine rates go down, crypto goes up. You, you have people now, and then you have the ability to divide a home in 25 ways for someone to buy in as an investment.

46:46Adam Schafer:A lot of ways to get the prices to go up.

46:48Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. I know. A lot of ways.

46:50Adam Schafer:Have you guys used the sleep product from Organifi recently? We've talked about this before. I haven't used it. I actually haven't used it. It's, I mean, it's really good. Can you tell me what's in that one? Yes. So holy basil, which it does lower the stress response. Valerian, which is an actual, like that'll actually make you feel sleepy. Chamomile relaxes you. Lavender relaxes you. Chinese skull cup relaxes you. Passionflower will also make you feel sleepy. Then it's got theanine and GABA. so no this and glycine right glycine is now been shown in studies to improve sleep quality so no melatonin i like this because it's a melatonin free sleep aid because melatonin although it can work it is a hormone and it can change your body's production of melatonin um and personally i don't know about you guys but if i take melatonin if i take the time released it better but i still will wake up as it starts to wear off it just gets me up yeah it actually makes me feel a little groggy and then groggy if I take a big dose yeah I feel a little groggy so this their product is is legit and it's it's melatonin free so it's got all the the complex it's got all the things

47:56Sal Di Stefano:I have a couple like my favorite like sleepy time type tea combos and that's

48:00Adam Schafer:that has valerian in there oh okay that has I mean it's so effective like don't take it and drive you'll feel like oh you feel kind of drowsy so it does put you to sleep

48:08Justin Andrews:now they recommend you don't take that every night is that correct no oh is that right

48:12Sal Di Stefano:it's really strong oh is that true right you just use it

48:14Justin Andrews:when you really need it oh so it's that strong Yeah, you really want to go night long. Just when you're off or you're traveling. It'll put you up.

48:20Sal Di Stefano:That makes you really want to try it. Yes. I know.

48:22Justin Andrews:Okay. I like the powerful stuff. It'll put you up for sure.

48:24Sal Di Stefano:I'll try it. Is gummy form? No, no, it's powder. Oh, it's powder. Yeah, yeah. Oh, okay. I'll get gummies, dude. Yeah, you like gummies. Candy. Candy when yours is a candy. Yes. It's gummy everything. Yeah, yeah. I justify it with some of it.

48:37Adam Schafer:Hey, Justin, I want to ask you about, none of us in here except for you have watched the documentary on The Biggest Loser.

48:42Justin Andrews:Yeah, cool. Yeah, I was going to bring that up. Yeah, it's everything you would expect.

48:47Adam Schafer:Is it everything we said that happened that they –

48:49Justin Andrews:Yeah, and they just get behind the scenes. You know what's really frustrating about it is like the lack of remorse for, you know, a lot of this like verbal abuse and a lot of things that like the contestants experience and just their overall horrendous example of training and what fitness is. It's just like if they would just separate that completely and just be like, this is just pure entertainment. Like we're just throwing people out there and like, you know, this is all for show and it's, it's, um, getting ratings and that's exciting. And, you know, cause even the, the guy that created the whole thing is just like, you know, very proud of it.

49:34Justin Andrews:And, and you told me another like reality show that's changed and transformed people's lives. And it's like no accountability, responsibility for like the complete dark side of it all no and they wrap it in this feel good

49:47Sal Di Stefano:and didn't they and didn't they get i mean if i recall seeing clips or hearing other interviews talking about like the producers were just frothing at the mouth when they saw the drama

49:56Justin Andrews:and they were just like lean into that like in every season they start looking for more of those

50:02Sal Di Stefano:like specific type of it's entertainment it's a i felt like the first so i watched a lot especially for the beginning.

50:09Adam Schafer:24 Fitness was one of the sponsors. Yeah, yeah.

50:11Sal Di Stefano:So early seasons, only for a few, I'd say for the first three, if I recall, felt genuine. And then it really, you could tell what happened. They gamed the system. They started to lean into the drama, the backstory. They looked like, were originally maybe the first contestants to do it. It came from a good place, the way they started to build it. But it quickly turned into -

50:36Adam Schafer:Even then, though, the approach was terrible. It is not an approach to lose weight. Everybody gained it back. They destroyed everybody's metabolism. It was about beating the crap out of people, and it was about starving them. I have a family member who's a cop, and he talked about The Biggest Loser, it was a while ago, and I'm like, how do you feel when you watch cop shows on TV? He's like, oh, they're so terrible, they're so fake. I said, that's how a trainer feels when we watch Biggest Loser. It literally set us back decades

51:03Justin Andrews:in terms of the public's understanding of what it is to get in shape. and they don't go into depth or any kind of example of like how you would actually approach this correctly and it there's nobody on there representing any kind of fitness voice that's reasonable at all no i mean i haven't made it to the very last like there's episodes of it so i've watched like two of them and you get like sort of the first cast of the the different coaches and you know it's all like america's toughest trainer and blah blah you know like just fucking joke i I would hate. It makes me sick. It's so cringe.

51:37Adam Schafer:If somebody gave me that, if I got an award for America's toughest trainer, I failed.

51:44Sal Di Stefano:The part that really set us back, though, was at that time, I think trainers really thought that this was a good idea. Of course. Because when you looked at, during that time in the gym, a lot of the way trainers were training these really overweight clients looked like Biggest Losers. This is how I train people in the beginning. It looked like circuits and just, yeah, breaking them off. Yeah.

52:05Justin Andrews:They started to take on, like, workouts from football programs and then trying to apply them to these, like, morbidly obese people. And what was really frustrating is when they go to weigh in and it's just the only metric is, like, if they lost weight or not. And you could tell that, like, some of these people, once they started actually lifting weights, had gained a bit of muscle And then the whole group turns on them because they didn't lose enough weight. And it's like, and the guy's like already kind of looking and shaping and forming a little bit better, you know, obviously really low calorie, you know, so it's minimal.

52:43Justin Andrews:But still, it's like they're at a stall or they're at a plateau. And it's like, fuck you, man. You're not putting into work. It's just like, it's crazy.

52:50Adam Schafer:Yeah. It's really sad. A real, real reality show on this with people like this would be long and boring. It would not be. Oh, yeah. It would be totally boring. It'd be long and boring. and it wouldn't be entertaining.

53:02Sal Di Stefano:They wouldn't see big swings. You'd have many weeks that were weigh-ins of no movement.

53:07Adam Schafer:But the success would be, and the success wouldn't look that great at first. It'd be long and boring and people would tune out. But then you'd follow it up five years later.

53:14Sal Di Stefano:The way you would have to do it to try and make it TV is that you would have to document it over a year. And edit it. And you would have to edit it to just like the monthly check-in. You know what I'm saying? Struggles. Exactly. Like you couldn't do like they squeeze this in a, like a couple of month camp. Right. Isn't it like, I forget what it, how long it is. It's like, yeah, it's a very short period of time. Three, four months or something. Yeah. That they, that they do this. And like, that's just, it's not healthy. It's not sustainable. It's not the realistic way to do it, but it's the only way to realistically make a TV show.

53:47Adam Schafer:What's sad about this from a fitness industry perspective is this is one of the most viewed pieces of media around weight loss. Um, and so the, the, it's just a terrible wrong message. And unfortunately the bad messaging, the wrong way to do it gets all the views. So then the average person watching is like, this is how you do it. This is what it's about. This is what it's all about. And they dramatize it. So it's exciting. And right now I'm hyper motivated because I hate myself. So I'm going to try that too. And then fail and then fail and then fail and can't figure out what's going on. Um, that's the part of it that made me sad.

54:25Justin Andrews:yeah and then just all the examples of when um they're interviewing after after the fact and like they just bounced right back and they're they're and they're you know and they get tearful and like it's and then they feel like they feel like they failed again to their family they failed then they failed everybody around them and it's like you know you just this was not a successful

54:45Sal Di Stefano:formula that you stepped into did you see i thought i saw jillian michaels and sharing like uh emails that they were being sent as far as like the different drugs to help.

54:55Adam Schafer:She really, she really has changed my mind on her. Cause when it was biggest loser and she was on there, I was like, terrible. You're terrible. But you listen to her now and she's, uh, she's great.

55:05Sal Di Stefano:Well, I mean, you stay in the fit. If you're in the fitness industry for two decades and you really care about people, you'll come out. You'll eventually make your round to the right answer. Like I don't, I don't know too many people that's been doing this for 20 years and they still are, are stuck. I don't know how you'd have a business. Yeah. Normally if you survive that long, you got good. You're eventually made your way to the right information. If you lasted that long. That's right. A lot of what we see with the bad information is trainers in their first eight years. And in that period of time of trying to figure out, is this a business for me or not?

55:39Sal Di Stefano:And adopting so many of the bad ways of doing things like, but typically you make, you make it a lot. you can make it for 20 years, you've probably finally figured it out.

55:50Adam Schafer:I'm going to end this on a really positive note for me. So Anne, we were on a call with Anne. She heads all of our education here at Mind Pump, and she also does some coaching. And her client saw my video and said to her, and I'm just going to tell you guys this because you guys like to call me beak face all the time. She said I have the perfect face. She said he is so handsome. Now, little context. She's blind. No. Little context. She'll always see shadows. She can only hear. No, no, no. From the description. Here's the real context. And I guessed it when she told me this. Oh, my God. My client said, yeah.

56:32Adam Schafer:She has a little loony bit. He has a perfect face. And I said to her, I said, hold on a second. I said, is she a 60-something-year-old Italian grandma? She said, yes. Oh, of course. Of course. They love me. She is my grandson. They love me. Nomenos love me. And I love Nomenos. All right. Well, there you go. You can have that one. Lots and lots of studies show that if you operate on ketones, these are energies from fats and not carbohydrates, you have clear mental sharpness. You can think better. You're more awake. Your energy is level throughout the day. The problem is that requires you to go on a no-carbohydrate diet, which isn't necessarily ideal.

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57:31Justin Andrews:back to the show our first caller is jack from england jack what's happening what's up dude

57:38Adam Schafer:I'm good how are you all we're good all right how can we help you good um so my question is

57:43Justin Andrews:um I want to know if I'm dealing with overtraining or under recovery uh have I caused this and what should I do moving forward so lately I've been feeling constantly fatigued uh despite getting around seven half hours sleep most nights I've had like slow recovery and lower moods and other symptoms um I've recently had blood work done and my testosterone's come back very low for my age and I'm concerned that I may have done this to myself and want to know how to improve it. So just to give you a bit of context, I'm 23, I weigh about 167 pounds at the minute and back in February I started with a personal trainer.

58:20Justin Andrews:We began at about 2500 calories per day and then worked down to about 1700 by April. I was training four times a week and most of us was to failure, doing around 10 ,000 steps per day, plus an extra 300 calories three times a week of cardio. I lost about 20 pounds and dropped to about 12 % body fat before my holiday. day now after my all day i went back to 1700 calories per day just to drop some weight that come on over the vacation and within weeks of this i felt over symptom over training symptoms became very noticeable i'm currently running maps anabolic and i'm in phase two at the minute i'm eating about 2800 calories per day that's 200 grams protein 350 grams of carbs 85 grams of fat still currently hitting about 10 000 steps a day again some fat but my priority is my health so So I plan to hold my calories here until my metabolism improves.

59:11Justin Andrews:I just thinking I value thoughts on whether this is over training, under recovery or something else. And what do you think I should do next guys?

59:19Sal Di Stefano:How do you, how do you feel right now? Now that you've bumped it,

59:23Justin Andrews:I feel a little bit better. Um, I mean, I've had some testosterone results, which, come back low. So I know there's definitely an issue there. My sleep's getting a lot better. It was broken sleep at first. Um, sleep's improving. Um, Um, I'm through phase one of MAPS anabolic. I've gained some strength. I've gone up, you know, in all the compound lifts and stuff. So I definitely feel better. Yeah.

59:45Adam Schafer:You're on the right track. Yeah. Yeah. You're on the right track. Keep going. Yeah. Keep going. Uh, after MAPS anabolic, don't do anything crazy like MAPS aesthetic or anything like that. Uh, I would say either symmetry or even MAPS 15, keep your calories there. Your testosterone should respond. You should see your testosterone start to go up. uh are you taking any supplements like vitamin d multivitamin anything like that um i've got them

1:00:11Justin Andrews:i've currently just taken creatine at the minute so i think i should jump back on them really

1:00:15Adam Schafer:multivitamins and vitamin d's yeah you're in the you're in the uk right the uk yes correct you

1:00:21Sal Di Stefano:should probably supplement with vitamin d i i also just i just saw your your photos too and you're uh you're exceptionally lean or you were at least in april uh and see this and i this is a good person to talk to. I bet you, you probably felt healthier in January, not how you look, but how you felt. And this is a classic example of single digit body fat is not optimal for most of us. It just isn't an optimal place to live. It'll crush your testosterone. And that's what's how, I mean, you looked bad-ass. You proved that you could get down to single digit body fat and look amazing, but it's just not a healthy, sustainable, not why you have a real normal life if you go to work you got a family or school or things you do and and then you're also training like this and then maintaining a seven percent body fat uh is just it's unhealthy and you're going to see the sleep disrupted you're gonna see testosterone levels coming down and moving your body fat percentage up a couple percentage is going to probably make you feel the best and you're heading that way by increasing the calories you could probably afford to increase them even

1:01:24Justin Andrews:even more yeah what do you reckon i should really get up to i'm at 2800 at the minute do you reckon

1:01:30Sal Di Stefano:i should keep going in that direction okay bump it up a couple hundred calories every couple of weeks or yeah how long you've been at the 28 probably about six weeks now six seven weeks

1:01:40Justin Andrews:so at the end of june i started at about 27 okay are you gaining weight on 2800 are you maintaining at 2800 right now i'm gaining weight so i've gone from about 161 pounds about the end of June, and now I'm back to about 167 pounds, so about six pounds gained.

1:01:59Sal Di Stefano:Okay. Yeah, stay there until you don't gain any more, then bump it. So hang tight. Sounds like you're moving in the right direction. And then when the weight gain stops, I'd probably bump my calories another 200, 300 calories again. That's it.

1:02:11Adam Schafer:Yep, stay with MAPS Anabolic. After that, you could do symmetry or 15, keep your calories up, supplement with vitamin D especially, especially because you live in the UK where you don't get as much sunshine. Low vitamin D will cause testosterone levels to drop as well. But you should start to see that rebound. Testosterone in a natural male is very reactive. So loss of sleep, overtraining, too much stress will cause it to plummet. Getting really lean tends to cause it to plummet in most men. So that's just predictable. I would have guessed like your testosterone probably is going to drop when you get real lean or go down to 1 ,700 calories.

1:02:48Adam Schafer:So I would, you just recently got it tested again.

1:02:52Justin Andrews:I got tested about three weeks ago. Um, and nothing's really seemed to improve. So my first test was about, um, about seven weeks ago and I've got it done about three weeks ago and they've not really improved much.

1:03:04Adam Schafer:Okay. Stay on this path. I'd test them again in about two months to see what happens. Yeah. Yeah.

1:03:09Justin Andrews:Thank you. Um, I'm going about running maps performance next. Is that something I shouldn't do or performance is okay. Yeah.

1:03:16Sal Di Stefano:No, performance is good. Do you, do you have that?

1:03:19Justin Andrews:I don't have that at the minute, Noah.

1:03:20Sal Di Stefano:We'll send that over to you.

1:03:21Justin Andrews:Yeah, we'll get you that. Thank you very much, guys.

1:03:23Sal Di Stefano:We'll send that over to you. And the next piece of advice, and we'll just play this out, if you still don't feel better, then MAPS 15 might be a good option for you to run for a little while. So go ahead and do performance. We're going to send it over to you. If you're still feeling like you're not seeing the testosterone go up, then I would reduce even lower down to 15 for a while and see how it happens there. And then after that, we can look at different options. But if we're going to try and get this up naturally, that'd be the path yes bomb thank you very much thanks for having me on jack jack was jacked yeah yeah yeah i couldn't tell he looked he looked uh leaner than 12 to me too and that that was like single ditch yeah that was single yeah you know for so so just for people

1:04:06Adam Schafer:like you would look at the shredded picture of him versus the one where he's got carrying a little bit more body fat still lean and someone may and you you someone may say oh that leaner version has got probably better testosterone. No. Nope. I know. It's a misconception. There are people on the edges who walk around lean and those are the anomalies. They're not really the average person. But for most men, ideal testosterone, all things being equal, is probably going to be around between 12 to 15, 16 percent body fat.

1:04:36Sal Di Stefano:I also think the context matters in your lifestyle at the current time, right? So like maybe running around that lean when you don't have a lot of responsibility, you can sleep in when you need to sleep, But it's like if you have a schedule, you work hard, you got maybe other stress in your life and you're carrying that, that's where it becomes really detrimental. So you not only have to consider just the overall body fat percentage, but also the time in your life that is this the best time for me to be, you know, walking around, trying to walk around single digits. And obviously, based off the blood work, it's not.

1:05:08Adam Schafer:Our next caller is Scott from Texas. Scott, what's happening? What's going on, guys? How y 'all doing today? Good, man. How can we help you?

1:05:16Justin Andrews:man i uh i sent a question to you guys it's probably a uh it's a big ask or maybe a uh maybe pie in the sky i don't know uh i'm an aging surfer okay 57 years old and i've i've i've stayed physical i've worked out i've played sports when i was younger all the way up but i never really knew the right way to lift weights i just kind of would see other guys lifting and i would lift and mimic, you know, monkey see, monkey do kind of stuff. And I was wondering if you guys had some kind of program or one of your maps programs would be, um, would fit what a, what a surfer would need, you know, stronger legs, endurance in the shoulders.

1:05:55Justin Andrews:Um, some of those areas I have no idea how, but my back is kind of underdeveloped and glutes and hams, not really where they should be. So I think that when I surf better waves, I feel those deficiencies more. And I just recently tuned into y 'all's podcast and have learned already a lot of things and just immense respect for you guys and would like to know what y 'all's take on that would be.

1:06:18Adam Schafer:How often are you surfing? How often are you surfing?

1:06:25Justin Andrews:Well, since April 9, I had rotator cuff labrum surgery right here. So I'm still kind of in a rehab phase. But once that's behind me, man, it's every week a couple of times. And, of course, when we travel, it's every single day while we're traveling somewhere.

1:06:43Adam Schafer:15 performance. Yeah. How long is the surf session for you when you're doing it?

1:06:49Justin Andrews:Okay, that's great. So in Texas, it's, man, three or four hours, okay? And we have a rule unspoken. It's 15 minutes of paddle for 15 seconds of actual ride, to kind of put it into perspective. So you're using more of your shoulders a lot more for that period of time than all your legs. Now, when you travel and you get in better waves, different places in the world, it's, I don't want to say the opposite. There's a lot more standing up, though, you know, when you get in better waves.

1:07:15Adam Schafer:Yeah, that's very active. MAPS 15 performance will be perfect for you.

1:07:19Justin Andrews:Yep, fit for you, yeah.

1:07:20Adam Schafer:And you can do it when you're surfing, when you're not surfing, with a perfect routine. Of course, once you're given the green light for strength training after your surgery.

1:07:29Justin Andrews:Right, right. Right. Yesterday I got cleared for work, climbing ladders and stuff where I work in a plant that's necessary. But he wants to wait till the end of September to go back and get the green light for surfing, chopping wood, climbing trees, all that good stuff.

1:07:44Sal Di Stefano:15 performance. Easy. We're going to send that to you. That's the right program for you. Easy.

1:07:49Justin Andrews:Right on. Right on. I guess the older you get, the more building muscle is important. You know, you train in your 50s to be able to climb up and down the stairs when you're 70. And I guess it will help stuff like that, too.

1:07:59Sal Di Stefano:Not only that, but keep this in mind, Scott, when you are surfing as much as you are, we would treat you like an in-season athlete, like a professional athlete. And when you're doing that, the goal is actually to just to not get injured. You're not going to build a lot of muscle when you're surfing six days a week or whatever like that. Like you've got so much activity. That's your real physical work. And then really a lot of the focus is more around mobility and protecting your joints. And that's why MAPS 15 Performance is kind of perfect. That's the perfect sense. That's right. And then you're going to have periods of time when maybe you're not surfing safer.

1:08:32Sal Di Stefano:That's not related to injury. But maybe like in the wintertime, you know, two, three months where that's when we kind of get after lifting weights during that period of time. And then we back off the lifting of the weights really hard when you get more in season. And so that's the key to keeping you strong, building muscle, and protect all those joints from getting injured. where most athletes go wrong is they try and maintain their volume of lifting weights during their season when they're riding or when they're playing their sport a lot. It's just too much. It's just too much.

1:09:02Justin Andrews:Both sides that time you're just kind of hitting it from all directions. That's right. You fatigue. That's right.

1:09:07Sal Di Stefano:And that's where injury happens.

1:09:08Justin Andrews:In Mass 15

1:09:09Adam Schafer:performance you can do over and over and over again. You don't have to switch other programs. Lots of functional exercises

1:09:13Justin Andrews:in there that'll address things too. Plus the thought with a lot of athletes is to improve what they're already doing with that very specific movement. Whereas, you know, if you're going to focus a little bit more on strengthening some of the weak points and some of them maybe like the eccentric parts, so like maybe a lot of times like it's the breaks that we need to address, slowing you down or, you know, the different, the other like rotating forces or lateral forces that you're not considering within those movements. And so to build around that support system and really get a nice integrity around your shoulder joints and, you know, knees and everything else, you know, that's vital to keep your success going long-term.

1:09:57Sal Di Stefano:I also would consider you, you're a great candidate for, we have a concierge program that we don't promote and talk about, just something that we have behind the scenes. And what that is, is you meet with one of our personal trainers once a month and they are just modifying and changing your program, customizing it for you and your current needs. that's it you just meet with them it's a virtual call they'll go over your current diet they'll go over your current exercise that you're doing whatever program they have you on and then they'll modify and change exercises based on like very specific goals and you have very specific goals based off of what you're trying to accomplish and that changes i'm sure throughout the year and so um that's something if you want one of one of our coaches to reach out to you they can kind of explain how that i love that okay cool i could i'll have them do that scott heck yeah that they

1:10:41Justin Andrews:kind of like, you know, it is a constant sense of adjusting because, you know, like it's very specific what your legs do sometimes and then your arms. It's just, yeah, it's not your typical workout program. I would imagine most surfers would really respond to a lot of the different tweaks and stuff that you're offering. You're a perfect example for somebody this is perfect for

1:11:01Sal Di Stefano:is because, yeah, and it's actually for trainers, this is like one of our favorite things to do. It's like take a base program and then now you got to customize it and tweak it for your very specific goal. So we'll send over a Mass 15 performance so you got that and then I'll have one of my trainers call you and then they can lay that all out for you. Rad.

1:11:18Justin Andrews:Way cool. I appreciate that. Big time, guys. You got it, man. Right on, Scott.

1:11:22Adam Schafer:Thanks, Scott.

1:11:23Justin Andrews:Y 'all take it.

1:11:24Adam Schafer:Of course he does the hang on. You know what's funny? Very cool. Surfing, do you guys, I don't know if you guys knew this, part of this is culture but the other part of it, I think there's truth to it. Do you know what the number one form of exercise that the Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu guys would say is the best for Jiu-Jitsu? surfing the old school Brazilian guys the Gracies were like just surf just surf it makes you incredible at Jiu Jitsu part of it's culture Brazilian culture beach all the time but then a lot of Jiu Jitsu guys would just swear by it I think it has to do with just the way you're fighting the waves I was gonna say

1:11:52Sal Di Stefano:core a lot of pulling like with the driving

1:11:55Adam Schafer:the stamina

1:11:56Sal Di Stefano:strength movement variation yeah

1:11:58Justin Andrews:and then you have to have explosive movement to be able to catch the wave like yeah do you surf have you ever surf I have but I'm not like I wouldn't ever claim to be a surfer it's like That's a whole culture.

1:12:09Sal Di Stefano:Not like everybody thinks he's like. I've done it quite a few times, but yeah, I'm not like.

1:12:13Justin Andrews:Everybody thinks he's the big super. I can't even paddle. I sink in the water. Our next caller is Georgia from Illinois. Hi, Georgia.

1:12:21Adam Schafer:Hello, Georgia.

1:12:22Justin Andrews:Hi, how are you guys doing? Good. How are you?

1:12:25Adam Schafer:How can we help you?

1:12:26Justin Andrews:Good. So I'll just kind of jump right into my question. So just to give you guys some background now, I've been listening to you guys for about four years. So first of all, thank you for everything you guys do and just like being very vulnerable on the podcast. So my question right now, it pertains to someone who I guess is like a client in a way. And she's overweight and is pre-diabetic. So right now I'm 24 and I'm currently studying to become a NASM CPT. I have no training experience, but I've always had a huge passion for health and fitness. and I decided to switch careers in the past like a month or so from public accounting to wanting to become a personal trainer, obviously.

1:13:17So last week, I met this lady about a week ago

1:13:22Justin Andrews:when I was just sitting in the sauna. And she first asked me if it would like help her lose weight. And I said, no, yada, yada, yada, the conversation went on. And she kept asking me questions about like losing weight. And, um, I kind of told her, I was like, look, I'm not a certified trainer, but like, I would love to help you in any way I can. And just like, love to show you some things. It would be really good practice for me. And she told me that she's currently seeing a certified trainer who told her that she always needs to keep her heart rate up and she doesn't let her rest during the workouts.

1:13:59Justin Andrews:And she also told her trainer that like when she had knee pain that she needed to keep going like during it and so right now she has like a lot of knee pain I guess just like when she's like doing normal things um I met with her last week and just based on how the session went it kind of just seems like she needs it just seems like that she also just needs someone to like be in the gym with and need someone to like walk around with because she seemed very skittish just being on the gym floor um and that day I just showed her like shoulder pressed bent over dumbbell row and then like a hip bridge on the floor because I didn't want to mess with her knee too much and so I I kind of just told her like what I always hear from you guys like focus on whole foods and but then when she did tell me that she's pre-diabetic I think that's when I got a little nervous where I was like, okay, I don't really want to be giving you nutritional advice.

1:14:59Justin Andrews:And so I'm just at the point now where like, I want to give her very tangible advice and obviously not lead her in the wrong direction. And yeah, cause this is definitely like the first person that I'm working with ever. So Georgia, great question.

1:15:13Sal Di Stefano:And this is, and I stress this to all our trainers that are listening to this podcast. This is where you use us. If you do not use askmindpump.com right now, start using that. Okay. It's our AI that has every question someone's ever asked us on this podcast or every topic. And by now we have covered all of it multiple times and use us as the authority when you're building your authority. And so look up like this, your exact question. And I guarantee you will find a clip of Sal breaking it down really, really well to either a live caller or us doing an episode on that and share clips like that with her.

1:15:54Sal Di Stefano:And don't mistake that trainers make when they're at this place, they get that imposter syndrome because they want to help these people, but they also are like, man, I've never had somebody like this. So instead of pretending like you know the answer, it's just like, listen, these are the guys that I trust that are some of the best or the smartest or however you want to preface who we are to her to get that credibility. And this is what they say about this and then share it with her. That way too, it's not coming from you like telling her what to do. It's like, here I am just, you're, you're helping her indirectly through us.

1:16:28Sal Di Stefano:And so with that, you'll build that trust with her and also protect yourself from recommending or saying something that you probably shouldn't do. That would be definitely practice using that.

1:16:38Adam Schafer:Yeah. And this is a tough situation because she has a trainer. so it's going to be and it sounds like this trainer is doing a lot of the wrong things based off of what you said so the challenge is going to be now uh she's going to hear something coming from you uh versus what her trainer is telling her which is why it's even more important to use our episodes because of our authority uh you can hey these guys are the top fitness podcast they lots of experience they have all these doctors and experts on their show here's an episode that i think may help you and that'll just prompt more questions and then hopefully, and you want to leave this up to her, but hopefully she sees that the trainer that she has is probably not the right trainer.

1:17:20Adam Schafer:And if she starts, if she ends up firing them, you can say, hey, look, I'll help you for free. And let's try this a little differently based off of what I've learned from these authorities over here. But the challenge right now is she has a trainer that she's paying, again, who seems to be doing things the wrong way. So you want to lean on us as the authority so that it's not you versus the trainer, it's the trainer versus us. And then you could just say, hey, I learned a lot from these guys and they have these experts on and just take it from there.

1:17:51Sal Di Stefano:There's also a very empathetic approach to when you're handling this and you're also kind of new too. So when a client would tell me something that I know they're doing wrong, but yet I also knew I was new and say, oh man, I used to think the same thing or I used to go about the same way. Man, my mind was blown when I learned that this was the better approach and what I was doing was all wrong. So I'm going to come from a place of like, oh, I totally thought or felt that same way too. And I've learned this and then share. Like that's where you use us, you connect with her. You don't try and come off like you're this authority when you're trying to build your authority and you're trying to learn yourself.

1:18:30Sal Di Stefano:That's where you're going to have a problem is like, because then she's going to go, well, you haven't even been doing this very long. you don't even have a national cert and my trainer that's training right now they at least have a national cert and they've been doing this for five years and so you're going to get into this like war back and forth and you're like anywhere come from just a place of helping and when she tells you things that you probably know are totally wrong you can like go oh empathize with her and go oh man i totally remember like thinking that that was the best strategy i had no idea i was going about it all wrong until i learned this and i'll share you this great clip where they break

1:18:59Adam Schafer:this down and then send it over do you know how long she's been with the trainer no

1:19:04Justin Andrews:No, she didn't tell me, but something she did mention is that she lost 30 pounds and then she gained it all back. And so like part of a big part of our conversation when I first talked to her is like, I was telling her like, yeah, you should focus on building muscle and building up your metabolism. And then like after she did tell me she was pre-diabetic too, I told her how like muscle can be really beneficial for that to help combat that. and so that I do know I just like don't know what the exact timeline was with all that yeah no you

1:19:35Adam Schafer:I mean you're on point I mean you're right yeah you're giving the right advice and you know diet is is guidance with trainers and coaches even if you're certified so you don't give someone a specific meal plan but you guide them and say okay you know eat protein first stick to whole natural foods we're going to focus on getting stronger muscle is insulin sensitive so if you build little muscle, it's going to do, you know, wonders for your, your, your fasting glucose. Um, here's an episode where I learned that and then you send it to her.

1:20:01Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

1:20:02Justin Andrews:I think something else that I was struggling with is like, when I first talked to her, I didn't realize how limited she was going to be in terms of like what she could do. So I guess it's like, I don't know where to start with exercise selection and then like how to progress her.

1:20:19Adam Schafer:You, you, you actually picked great exercises yeah yeah you did a great job you know listen um as long as it's not hurting her and you're using good technique you're okay you don't have to overthink it for somebody like this and it gets more granular the more fit somebody is the more advanced they are but if it's not hurting her she feels good doing it um and you're the technique is good she feels good

1:20:44Sal Di Stefano:we're probably moving in the right direction i mean you just simply choosing the exercises that you did with proper rest periods and progressive overload and eating properly is going to be significantly better than whatever the other trainer was doing so that having her just work

1:20:58Justin Andrews:through that yeah when the workout yeah i mean you're doing a lot more than what she's experiencing

1:21:03Sal Di Stefano:right now hip thrust was a great choice yeah yeah you also need to get your butt in our community because we have over a thousand trainers in there that at any moment you can just get in the forum and be like hey i have this client i have this and you'll get not only us but a bunch of other really good trainers that will respond to you and help you. So leverage us and our community for you to get great at what you're doing. Don't go fall down or fall into the trap of the imposter syndrome trap that so many trainers do, which is pretending they know more than what they really do. And then they feel like impossible because they're misrepresenting.

1:21:33Sal Di Stefano:Just be honest, be honest and teach what you do know and what you don't share. And hopefully you trust us to share good knowledge and information and lean on the community that we've built of other great trainers.

1:21:46Adam Schafer:Ideally, what happens is you, because it sounds like you're developing a nice relationship with her, probably because you genuinely want to help her. And ideally, what happens is she listens to a few episodes, likes the podcast, keeps listening to it, and then comes and asks you more questions and more questions. And then what gets revealed to her is, oh my God, I'm doing, like this trainer I'm with is doing all the opposite of what these guys are saying. And then she'll probably ask you about it. And you'll be like, yeah, that's, you know, from what I've learned and from what these guys are saying, Like that's not the right approach.

1:22:15Adam Schafer:And then she'll maybe be like, all right, what should I do? I say, well, you can try finding another trainer. Uh, and then she's like, well, I'm not going to work with this guy anymore. And be like, look, I'll help you out for free, uh, while you look for somebody. Um, and then you could take it from there. And that's probably what will happen, but, uh, use us as the authority so that you don't put yourself in a, in a precarious situation.

1:22:34Justin Andrews:Okay. And then the other thing that I guess, like I can see being a struggle, like just down the line is like obviously the mental aspect of it for her because when I was talking to her she was like oh like I'll eat well and then I have bad days and I go well what do you define as a bad day and she was like well I get upset and then I eat a lot yeah and I was like oh like so you like eat emotionally like I used to do that all the time like that's totally normal like blah blah blah and so then i kind of said the same thing i think sal what you mentioned before just like journal down how you feel before you eat and after you eat like even if it happened and i was like it's meant to be data but like that even seemed to overwhelm her a little bit no problem so back up

1:23:24Adam Schafer:then you just back up yep you just back up you did first off what you did was amazing yeah you empathize with her the key to being successful or to helping this a person like her like any client but especially someone like this, helping them find success is that she develops a relationship with you where she trusts you and that she feels enough grace from you that she can then start to extend it to herself and that she remains honest. Because what ends up happening with someone like that is they'll run into a trainer who makes them feel shame and then either they'll lie to the trainer or they'll stop working with them because they keep failing.

1:23:59Adam Schafer:And that's part of the process it's hard. You're going to stumble on your way to success. And sometimes it looks like all you do is stumble. And your goal as a trainer is to make the person feel like they can come to you with it.

1:24:10Sal Di Stefano:That's the first goal. The first goal is getting her to ask for help or ask you questions. And then the way I respond is like, there's a lot of things that we can change to improve this, but let's pick one or two things that will start to move the needle in the right direction. For example, we want to shorten your rest periods. We want to build muscle. And right now, if you're doing short rest periods, keeping your heart rate, you're basically just doing cardio with weights and we want to build muscle. That's going to be so protective and healthy for you, both on your metabolism and insulin, and then also for overall strength and in the way we look and feel.

1:24:41Sal Di Stefano:So let's start with that. And then let's be consistent with that. And then when you're ready for the next thing, I'll add the next thing to you. So let her help guide you on how much you teach her through that process, but you just getting her away from that is already moving her in a better direction. Even just the exercises you were saying, getting her to rest and focus on building muscle, maybe increase like one step at a time. Then you could talk to her about protein and hitting that consistently. And then you could talk to her about food generally. And then, you know what I'm saying? But slowly stack it based off of how she's giving you that feedback.

1:25:10Sal Di Stefano:And if you think that it's appropriate and then she goes, oh my God, it's overwomened. I'm like, okay, that might've been a little bit of much. How about we just try this? Try the next time, you know what I'm saying? Just a little bit.

1:25:19Adam Schafer:By the way, like she's already taken a big step and I'd like for you to, if you haven't already celebrate a success with her, which is that she's already identified what happens. Oh, I feel bad. And then I overeat. Like that's a big step. Yeah, you're aware of it.

1:25:34Sal Di Stefano:That's a big, that's a huge step.

1:25:35Adam Schafer:But think about it this way, Georgia. Like you see, but you're, you're a young lady. Like, you know, think about like, you're more likely to go to your parents with your screw ups. If you feel like your parents are going to hammer, are not going to hammer you afterwards. If you feel like, oh man, I could go to my mom and I could tell her when I make a big mistake and she's just going to be like, oh, honey, I'm so sorry. Like, that's really tough. Like, you're more likely to be really honest with mom. And then she has way more power and influence to help coach you versus like, no way I'm telling mom, she's going to freak out.

1:26:05Adam Schafer:She's going to do all these crazy things, you know, as a response. So that's like step number one with somebody who struggles with emotional leading is that she needs to feel like she could tell you and you're not going to make her feel terrible. But if anything, you're going to help her feel grace towards yourself. That's not, you're not lying to her. Like, yeah, that is tough. That is very difficult. Oh my gosh, I must feel terrible. Listen, and also forecasting, you know, on this journey, here's what's going to happen. You're going to continue to do this. It's going to keep happening. Eventually though, it'll probably happen less often, but at first it's just going to feel a little worse because you're more aware of it.

1:26:39Adam Schafer:Whereas before you weren't so aware, now you're more aware of, oh my gosh, I'm doing this and I still can't stop it. What's wrong with me? Nothing's wrong with you. This is the first step. It's the biggest step and it will get better. We just got to hang in there. And then you tell me when you're feeling most challenged and I'll help you through this process that that's an effective coach.

1:26:57Justin Andrews:Okay. I think I just wanted a little, like, I guess affirmation. Cause like, I, I've never dealt with someone who is like pre-diabetic. And when she did tell me that I was like, okay, wait, I don't know if I should be doing something like completely different or like whatever.

1:27:10Adam Schafer:You're good. You're good. You don't want to counter anything her doctor says. Uh, but pre-diabetic just means that she's on her way towards diabetes. if she continues on this path. Prediabetes can be reversed. Strength training, daily activity like walking, making some different food choices. Very powerful, very powerful at reversing that.

1:27:31Justin Andrews:So like diet-wise, do you think telling her to stick to the whole foods is just like good for now and try to prioritize?

1:27:38Adam Schafer:Absolutely, absolutely. As long as that's a step she can take, don't forget this. Sometimes just telling people, little sometimes you could say just eat whole foods and that's too much of a step yeah so so

1:27:52Sal Di Stefano:you have to meet them where they're at yeah sometimes it's you reverse we have to figure out what all the offenders are like let's just try and eliminate that one thing or change that one thing exactly so sometimes it looks like that sometimes if someone's like a heavy process eater doesn't eat anything consistently healthy it's like i just got to pick one or two major offenders and then get them to switch that out can you get rid of the gummy bears you know or something like

1:28:11Adam Schafer:that like i've had clients where uh it was like can we just get you to drink a glass of water and that was the start, the starting point for our journey.

1:28:19Justin Andrews:Switch the order. So she's protein first.

1:28:21Adam Schafer:That's right. You know, I had a client once that, uh, she, this was a tough for her, which she would go and she would binge eat. And so I said, okay, here's what we're going to do. It was just a tough struggle. So I said, here's the deal. We're not going to try to stop binge eating. And she's like, what? I said, no, we're not going to try stopping it because I think that's causing problems. Instead, here are the foods that you can eat as much as you want when you feel like you want to binge. And I just gave her some choices and we started there and it was really effective.

1:28:45Justin Andrews:Yeah. Like she said, Oh, like, I just love my Starbucks Frappuccino. And that's when I was like, okay, like that's totally fine. Like, I won't tell you not to go get that. Just try to have like a whole food meal before you go and get that. I wasn't sure, like, because she's pre-diabetic. I was like, I don't know if I should tell her to like cut that out right now. Or like

1:29:06Adam Schafer:that's where I got a little there's perfect answers. And then there's the ones that are actually going to help the person and it's almost never perfect. So yeah, I can take a client and look at all their stuff and then write up the perfect routine and perfect diet and tell them to cut everything out. You know what's going to happen? They're not going to be able to do it. So it's a total waste of time, right?

1:29:26Justin Andrews:Okay. This was very helpful.

1:29:28Adam Schafer:Yeah. Good job. Are you in our course? Since you're getting certified, are you taking our course?

1:29:33Justin Andrews:I'm doing like the NASM certification.

1:29:36Adam Schafer:We have a course. We also have a course. Our course is more focused on how you build your business and how you coach and train clients. So NASM is amazing.

1:29:44Justin Andrews:Can I still do your course?

1:29:45Adam Schafer:Say what?

1:29:46Justin Andrews:Can I still do your course? Yeah.

1:29:48Sal Di Stefano:Oh my God. It's so complimentary. What we recommend is NASM and our course. NASM is going to do a really good job of giving you kind of the basics around coaching and your cert. Ours is more centered around, like Sal said, coaching the client, scaling your business. And then you're in our community with all of our trainers. So you're interacting and you're getting mentorship with us along the way.

1:30:08Adam Schafer:Our course gives, gives you a CEUs with NASM. So when you get certified through NASM every year, you have to get so many CEUs to maintain it. Our course is approved by NASM to give you those CEUs as well.

1:30:22Justin Andrews:So after I do NASM, should I go into it or should I just go into it now?

1:30:27Adam Schafer:You can, you can go into it now. You'll still get the CEUs. I'll have, let me have somebody call you Georgia. And she'll explain everything. Yeah. She'll break it all down for you and go through the education so you can see if it's appropriate for you.

1:30:39Justin Andrews:Okay. Awesome.

1:30:41Adam Schafer:All right. Thanks Georgia. Good job by the way. Yeah. Great job. I think you're going to make a great trainer. You're going to do great. You got good intuition.

1:30:48Sal Di Stefano:Yep.

1:30:49Justin Andrews:Thank you. And I also just want to say, um, I know you guys also like, obviously it's a fitness podcast, but just like hearing your guys's experiences as dad's is like really cool and it's definitely helped me with my relationship with my dad a lot so oh thank you very much for being vulnerable oh that's great that's good to hear thank you thank

1:31:08Adam Schafer:you thank you have a good one guys that's that's great i think she she did a great job she did she

1:31:17Sal Di Stefano:did yeah especially the limited obviously experience that she has right now i think it was really good but i can't stress enough though with these early trainers like lean on the content We encourage you to utilize that. And I don't know. To me, it would be a no-brainer if we had the resources that we had. But even when I was in the gym setting, like early on, I was the least educated, least experienced. But I was really successful other than the fact that what I had the ability to do was if someone had a question that I didn't know the answer, I would tell them, like, oh, man, I haven't dealt with that yet.

1:31:57Sal Di Stefano:But you know what? man sal is like one of the most knowledgeable trainers i've met i'm gonna get with him and like he'll help me and then i'll let you know what he says like there's nothing wrong with that people are so afraid to say i don't know that and so then what they do is they're gonna leave you they try and like you know say some kind of advice or pretend it's just like just be like oh i just it's so easy oh man i haven't had that challenge yet but i tell you what i know so and so and they're brilliant like let me find out yeah let me find out and i'll get back with you tomorrow or later today i'll send you something does a client not care but it builds a stronger relationship yes i trust especially you give me that and then you hear somebody who's got 20 years experience explain it better than you'll even experience it in the next say it in the next five years say it for you and that client's like oh damn that makes a lot of sense thank you for

1:32:44Adam Schafer:sharing that with me the problem comes from trainers when they care more about the results than the client you have to care more about the client than the results to truly be effective Look, if you like the podcast, come find us on Instagram, Mind Pump Media. We'll see you there. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump.

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