2676: Gain an Inch on Your Arms in 90 days & More (Listener Live Coaching

16:46Adam Schafer:So it made me more just appreciative of something like that. It's not a chemical bomb. Yeah.

16:52Sal Di Stefano:I mean and just by itself that's the way to do it I mean I wouldn't just I wouldn't mix it with anything I know that one I it's even good in water yeah I do either water or almond milk and shake it up and that's good the way it is yeah yeah totally anyway I uh this you guys saw uh I told you guys

17:07Adam Schafer:about the the bible study at my house over the weekend oh yeah she sent a picture how many kids I didn't count the picture there's like 20 kids there yeah there's over 20 kids over 20 yeah so this is wild right this is such a crazy so my daughter uh goes to Hume Lake so little context I didn't raise my older kids as Christians. I wasn't a Christian until recently. So I become a Christian about a year and a half ago, maybe a little more. And I have teenage kids. And the last thing you want to do, anybody with teenagers will know this. The last thing you want to do if you want your teenagers to move in a direction is to push them in that direction.

17:43Adam Schafer:Right. Because their tendency - Especially considering they weren't raised in that.

17:46Sal Di Stefano:And then that, so it's like even more so.

17:48Adam Schafer:Oh, even more so. And their tendency is to push back. Sure. It's a part of the type. Rebellious sort of nature. And that's part, it's supposed to, they're supposed to be, right? They're disconnecting from their parents or whatever. So I didn't force any of this and then push it, you know, whatever. Little by little, my daughter started, you know, showing some interest. Anyway, long story short, she went to Hume Lake, did the Christian camp. I knew that would be a big deal. I love Hume Lake. Came back just totally on fire. And when she came back, she was like, hey, you know, my friends and I are going to do a Bible study.

18:16Adam Schafer:I would like to attend it. So she's been going to these Bible studies. Now, I didn't know. I assume that these were Bible studies that were led by a pastor or like a youth group leader no these kids themselves by the way they all go to different schools

18:30Sal Di Stefano:so you said this to me and I was curious because ours were like self led when I was a kid and I ran one but they were organized by the church nobody organized it so they used to call them cell groups and you'd have you ate here you ate there and so they put it together and that's how I had my group of eight guys or whatever. So it wasn't organized. No. They just did it themselves. They did it themselves. Wow. That many kids is wild to me. It's growing. Organized on their own. So I didn't know that.

18:58Adam Schafer:So then my daughter just shocks me, and I tried not to show too much excitement again because you just want your kid to, you know, you want them to know it's their idea. She's like, hey, can I host a Bible study? And remember, my daughter, she wasn't a Christian a month ago. Yeah. And she wants to host one. I'm like, oh, man. I'm like, yeah, absolutely. Let's have it. I didn't know there were going to be that many kids. These kids come in. They're all great kids. There was like 20-something kids that showed up. And I saw there was no pastor leaving it. There was no youth group leader. So I started inquiring.

19:29Adam Schafer:And apparently, they're saying there's like a high school revival that's happening. These kids did it themselves because they said they wanted to keep the momentum from him. They decided.

19:39Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

19:39Adam Schafer:And they're all different schools. Oh, they're not even the same school? No.

19:43Sal Di Stefano:That's even crazy.

19:43Adam Schafer:Bro, I'm meeting these kids. I'm like, oh, you go to school? And they're like, no, I go to this school. I go to that school. There are probably five different high schools in the Bay Area. Wow. And listen, this was, they were singing worship songs. A couple of them brought guitars. They were reading from the Book of Romans. They were praying. I mean, unbelievable. Yeah, that's wild. Absolutely. It's been such a crazy impact.

20:04Sal Di Stefano:I mean, I hate to admit when you're right sometimes, but that was one that you called. Just I didn't feel it yet. I don't think I, I also don't have teenage kids, so I don't see it. But you've been saying it for a while that you feel like there's this total revival that's happening in young people right now. they're thirsty for it i think so man you know you know you know the irony i've seen that you've seen that meme before like the the like rebellion now is like a you know a family and it's like the opposite is rebelling now so we've gone they've gone so far one direction that you know having structure morals discipline is now the rebellious thing to do well these kids were left

20:40Adam Schafer:they're put they're they're growing up in a world where they have access to anything they have access to anything. They have entertainment 24-7.

20:48Sal Di Stefano:Did you guys see the Grok AI thing? You saw it, Justin Rice. Did you see that? Terrible. I can't believe that's available. I don't watch it, but I saw the picture. Diary of CEO had two, I think, child psychiatrists on his show, and he was talking about what they think of AI and kids like this. He literally, live on the air, pulled it up, and he's like, this is the animated Grok AI. I guess there's two or three different animated versions, So you actually like are talking to a character and it's like this sexy anime girl that, and her name's Annie and he just starts talking and the way it's talking is like sexual naughty and flirty.

21:26Sal Di Stefano:Just, and he's not, he's not even prompting it to do that. And it's already flirting that way. He's like, I want to introduce you to my two friends and it's not. And she's like, Oh, don't worry. I'll charm them over my like naughty person. Like, Whoa, dude, like not even prompting it that way. And then like, he starts to prompt in that direction and he stops it because they obviously get the point like and this is accessible to like and this is now it's going to get so much crazier yeah

21:51Adam Schafer:imagine being uh like a lonely everybody's felt this when you were a kid you know you're 13 14 you're kind of lonely uh especially today i was gonna say that's worse today than it's ever been yeah oh yeah i mean we've never seen the younger generation have higher depression than the older generations and that's that's what you see now uh and loneliness and so you're at home you're lonely, you're a boy, you have access to unlimited pornography. And then you're like, I want to relate. I want to talk with someone. And you start talking to this AI girlfriend on top of it, just completely zaps your drive and desire to go out and talk to people, to hang out with anybody and just keeps you in this isolated, vulnerable state.

22:29Adam Schafer:Terrible. Yeah.

22:30Sal Di Stefano:What do you think that you're, you're, you're musk and you roll that out? Like, what is your desired outcome? Is it to, is to hope to hook these young lonely boys in early and so now they're on your platform and addicted to it and falling in love with this ai like what is the desired outcome of that just just get more people to use them playing around trying to make personalities you know with he's done this for a few different ones like having one that's real um snarky and like you know talk shit to you and this but i just think that he's not really thinking this all the way through in terms of exposure to kids like this doesn't make sense yeah i don't know man weird from a dad who was like like 15 kids or something from how many different women yeah it sounds like it's predictable actually totally i don't know man well did you see too he so like i guess he has some software he's working on with ai that basically can do everything microsoft does but through ai now and so he's calling it macro hard is like a response to that is that really gonna be the

23:35Adam Schafer:name of it yeah oh my god that's so funny that's actually pretty funny you guys did you guys see

23:40Sal Di Stefano:the report that microsoft did that came out on the jobs that were most likely to be replaced by ai and which ones are not what made the list dishwasher yes bro and it's dishwasher literally what it's put on there is like one of the most unlikely jobs for ai to replace is a dishwasher It was on the second page. I'll make sure that.

23:59Adam Schafer:I still think it'll happen before we have it.

24:02Sal Di Stefano:If we can ever pinch it through the radiation belt, you might win.

24:05Adam Schafer:We've never been to the moon. I don't know.

24:06Sal Di Stefano:We're not going to the moon. It was supposed to be, they're going to orbit it. They're going to get crews around it. That's what it's going to be like. It's going to be trips around it. Not to it where people are going to be on it.

24:14Adam Schafer:I don't know, man. It doesn't look good, but yeah. I don't think, I think they'll be able to do almost anything. That's what I think. I think it's going to be pretty soon. Was that one clip I showed you where this guy thinks in two years is going to be a huge just layoff because of all the jobs that we're doing. Well, they think, I put on here too, that they think soon they'll be able to pick up on all the different sounds from like your pet, so your dog and just all different mannerisms of it. And AI is going to be able to interpret that and literally be able to communicate with your dog through AI.

24:44Sal Di Stefano:That's kind of cool. Yeah, that makes sense. I feel like they're, and they said they're close. Hey, what's that? Really? That's so weird. What animated film was it? Was it Up? No.

24:53Adam Schafer:And the dog's like, squirrel. Yeah, that's what's going to happen. The dog's saying like three things. Hungry. Happy, happy, happy, happy. Hungry.

25:03Sal Di Stefano:You're right. It's going to be something stupid like that. Dad, dad, dad, wake up. We're all excited like it's going to have a conversation. It's going to be so annoying. We're going to have like three things they say. Why'd you eat that shit?

25:13Adam Schafer:Yummy. Jory. I like it. This one guy got his AI to analyze the sound of different farts. and with 87 % accuracy, it could predict what the person ate. Did you know that? No way. Look it up. Stop it. Really? I saw. That's the kind of science I'm interested in. Bro, that is world-changing science. That is. Yeah, look it up, Doug. Put AI analyzes farts with accuracy. I don't know what the benefit is to that, but that's amazing. Are you kidding me right now? You can tell what they ate. It's big steak dinner right there. I would love it just to have it on when you guys break it up.

25:50Sal Di Stefano:So I saw this interview that Hormozy was doing, and they asked him what he thinks, like, if he was stripped of everything, what would you, like, try and pursue job-wise right now? And I think it's a pretty good call on somebody who understands AI really well that actually comes in and integrates it into your company. Because think of that. What's going to happen is that the capabilities are, like, right around the corner of all the things you can do, but you're still gonna have a bunch of boomers that are running the companies and own them and stuff like that that are going to not know how to adopt it so just being somebody who can come in and like look at your company and go like here's all the places oh yeah that you can be using ai to reduce this or to increase speed here and do that and that person's going to be able to charge a really high premium you can either do this you could go i'm a flat consultant fifty thousand dollars i come in and do this or i'll increase sales by this percentage that i want a percentage I want a percentage of this.

26:47Sal Di Stefano:Oh, that's great. And so pretty - Makes a lot of sense. Makes a ton of sense. I use it, yeah, like Google. What does that say up there, Doug? Yeah, so they say all of us boomers do. I mean, this is on Reddit, so who knows if this has any validity, but I trained in AI for three months on continuous fart sounds, and here's what's happened. So you can identify your diet with 87 % accuracy from a single fart. I have a hard time believing this.

27:09Adam Schafer:I don't know. I don't know. I feel like - I mean, that's kind of a general statement,

27:14Sal Di Stefano:I can identify your diet by 87%. What does that mean? That you can guess? Well, I don't know.

27:20Adam Schafer:I mean, do your sound different when you eat different things, Justin? I would think so, especially if it's upset. It's one of those inflammatory foods. Different people are upset by different foods, right? Yeah, exactly. It would all be individualized. There are general sounds, though, Doug. It's like chicken nuggets. You have like six shapes. You know what I mean? There's like six general. anyway i speaking of upset and i talked about my daughter earlier but i had the best but also most frustrating argument with her over the weekend uh no over last week so she's on her own again just like more beautiful stuff she's just lifting weights right she's in the garage working out on her own just training i'm like waiting for her to ask for advice because i'm not trying to impose so finally she's like hey can you make a workout for me yeah let me make one for you now remember She's 15, new.

28:10Adam Schafer:So I'm creating like a very basic. Like, use this 50 % off coupon right here. Yeah. You're a discount code. She bought a program for us. Boom. Your dad's a closer. Sales. No, no, no. I wrote up a workout for her. Very basic. Because again, you guys, I don't have to tell you guys. That's what you do for the most effective routine you're going to do. Yep. So I write it up for her. And she looks at it. She's like, this is lame. Listen, bro. Yeah. This is not enough. She has no idea. So she's in the garage working out. she calls me on the phone because I'm upstairs. So I answer the phone. She's like, how am I supposed to progressively overload with this?

28:44Adam Schafer:I'm like, first of all, what did you just say? There's not enough. What YouTuber is there? There's not enough frequency. No, I, and then I said, I told her, I said, honey, I said, do you realize the language you're using? Your dad's podcast is what made that popular. Oh no. Yeah. Right. Like people didn't talk about that. No girls didn't talk about that. So I'm going back and forth. They're trying to establish like my authority. That's hilarious. I know my own daughter. I'll get around to your podcast. There's not enough frequency and volume of this, and there's not enough of that. How am I supposed to progressively over that?

29:14Adam Schafer:She's critiquing your fucking programming. Oh, my gosh. I'm arguing my daughter. I'm like, do you know who I am? Do you know who your dad is? That's so funny.

29:22Sal Di Stefano:You know what you do? You don't go to askmindpump.com. See what they say. Oh, God. It was so funny. I had kind of a similar but a little bit different situation. So, like, Everett, we've been kind of battling. He's going through that real, like, you know, puberty phase where he's just angsty. And so over the weekend, he was in his room too long. I'm like, hey, what are you doing, man? No more hanging out in here. Get outside. And he's just fuming. He gets outside. And I'm like, oh, we'll just let him figure this out. This guy, I don't know how to deal with him right now. He goes downstairs. He goes in the garage and just starts throwing weights around.

30:01And I'm like, oh, my God. This is totally my son. He uses it for anger. oh my god he's like doing these like squats and overhead pressing and like but he's he's got pretty good form and i wasn't even obviously you know like writing a program that's great but like he

30:20Adam Schafer:was just like thrashing it's it's so funny because uh your your kids i don't care how cool you are i don't care how much you know you're dumb to your kids when they're that age you don't know anything totally it just made i remember i told her this story i said you know honey when i was your age my dad had a friend named Joe that would come over sometimes he was a chiropractor but he was a bodybuilder and one day I came up I got the nerve to ask him like what do I need to do I want to gain as much muscle as possible he said he said come over here and he sat down with me and he said here's what you're gonna do you're gonna eat a lot of food focus on eggs and milk and tuna fish and he goes and you're gonna work out three days a week you're gonna do like three or four lifts and just get real strong.

31:03Adam Schafer:And I remember at your age, that's what I told her. I remember at your age, I looked at him and I thought to myself, you liar. You don't want to tell me what to do. You're withholding the secrets. And I'm like, and if I had followed his advice, I would have like erased five years of frustration. I said, and that's you now. You don't want to listen to your dad. I said, follow this program and watch what happens. Or you're grounded. And then I told her this. I said, you want to add more volume? Go for it. I said, if you want less gains. So I started doing the takeaway. That's fine. If you want to slow down your progress, add as much as you want.

31:30Adam Schafer:Go for it. it was like the best but also most frustrating oh that's hilarious and she's so driven she's

31:38Sal Di Stefano:such a you gotta be so excited to see her doing that but then also drive you crazy at the same time oh it's so great it's only a matter of time before she starts tuning into the show you know what's gonna happen we're finally gonna we're gonna interview somebody who she follows or she's into it and then that's how she'll find it oh yeah yeah it's gonna be like that It is going to be like that. We're going to have someone on the show, or she's going to find out we had someone on the show.

32:06Adam Schafer:One of the kids that came to the study listens to my podcast. So that's what I think might happen. One of her friends is like, your dad knows some stuff. I don't know if that'll work, though. Depends on how much she respects that guy. She might roll her eyes if you don't know how stupid he is. It was a good time. Oh, shit. Dude, you remember a long time ago you brought up ER cases? with like an ER doctor. I told you like real specific things. Like I've never heard of this specific case, but there's this guy that I guess came in and, you know, it's always an embarrassing thing when somebody's like, oh, I'll have all this abdominal pain and they're trying to describe what happened, but they can't really get to the heart of it.

32:50Right. Until they get to the x-ray and then the x-ray showed that literally there was an eight pound dumbbell inside this dude's rectum. eight pound eight pound and it's like the top you know and then the bottom so it's like you like getting it out and then getting it in like it's just

33:10Sal Di Stefano:it's an eight pound dumbbell that's heavy how do you hold that yeah the top is like super wide and so anyway they were like trying to describe like how hard it was for them to get out and i was just like wow how what's the story there like like i wanted to know what like they didn't get into details. Guys doing stupid things. Yeah, how he's going to come in there and be like, ooh, whoops.

33:31Adam Schafer:Hey, I got an idea. I was working out and just, you know, lost my position. Whoop. I don't know him. I was doing arms. My buddy did the five pound. I had to go to eight, you know? There was this giant bodybuilder in the gym and I cut in when I wasn't supposed to. Yeah, right? That's how he left me. Yeah, yeah. A real bully. Eight pound dump. Maybe he's doing progressive overload. That was... It's colder. I know, right? Oh, my God. Getting some gains. I can't believe that. Anyway. Yeah. over the weekend I was reading some of the comments from the series that we're putting out shout out to Dylan he has done such a great job of understanding how to edit that whole thing and piece it together and the comments are so encouraging it's funny there's two kinds of comments that are most challenging for me to read one of them is obvious what do you guys think they are what are the two comments that will make me I don't know probably the ones that

34:20Sal Di Stefano:are telling you to keep doing this or keep going that direction they're all positive so you're not getting any negative.

34:27Adam Schafer:So it's hard for you to take. Well, criticisms are always hard. I haven't seen too many of those. There's none of that. There's none of that going on. And people who are like, dude, you're Jack. Oh, it's the body. Yeah, and it's not that I hate them. Obviously, I like hearing that kind of stuff, but it makes it more. Feeds into that. Yeah, dude. It makes it more difficult to kind of break this idol down or whatever. But aside from that, the comments have been just so incredibly.

34:52Sal Di Stefano:You know the last level to this game where you're going right now, right, is to let go of the wife beater. Oh, wow.

34:59Adam Schafer:Just go shirtless? No. That's not what I was thinking. There's more to the – hey, by the way, listen. The wife beater is not connected to the workout. The wife beater was before the workout. I was wearing that since I was a child. I know, but it feeds into it. I thought you should tattoo line the wife beater on you. That would be the best. Forever. It's a part of you now.

35:20Sal Di Stefano:Just the Hanes. Yeah. what was that the remember when they used to do the people used to do the necklaces that actually tattoo the like the the oh the rosary yes what what where did that come from do you know where that came from i don't know that was popular for a while there every once in a while though there's

35:34Adam Schafer:like a tattoo trend and then it becomes a trend and then i feel bad for the first people to get them like a barbed wire yeah like that too around the arm yeah like mine do you have that no it's

35:43Sal Di Stefano:covered up well no it's built in there still yeah yeah but that was yeah it was like uh pull it off

35:49Adam Schafer:the wall and then literally literally you pulled it off the wall at the yeah yeah my buddy and i

35:53Sal Di Stefano:he if he did like three of us i did that my other buddy did tribal mother died did uh uh characters you know oh wow chinese characters yeah yeah do you at least know what the characters mean well that's like a big problem yeah i don't remember what it meant but you supposedly broccoli yeah hopefully yeah i'll have that and then and then mine just i mean this was you know in the what year it was it was in the in the 90s or whatever were you 18 when you got it no i was i was underage i was underage how'd you get it i don't remember how i got it probably we went to some i mean i lived in a small town so finding somebody to tattoo you under really yeah oh wow i mean i wasn't way underage i think i was 17 okay yeah i think i was 17 but uh you know pam anderson comes out with hers just afterwards and so and then and then and then you let five five seven years go by and the story changes they're like i got it after pamander so you know i'm saying so now it looks like that's what i did so yeah

36:51Adam Schafer:i knew a dude that got when when pier when belly button piercings were not popular he got one because there were dudes that got them sometimes yeah yeah that's a roommate that had yeah that's embarrassing yeah you gotta take that one out yeah yeah but you can just take that out

37:05Sal Di Stefano:that's not a big deal.

37:06Adam Schafer:Yeah. You know, Bob, our tattoo is stuck with me. Tramp stamp is always going to be there. Doug, did you ever consider getting a tattoo? Never. Not at all. No interest at all. Your generation was very different about that. Yes. Tattoos back then, you were either a sailor or like a gangbanger or something. Yeah. It was a big deal if someone got one. Yeah, it was.

37:25Sal Di Stefano:It became, it was popular. Yeah. It was popular our generation. I told you, like, and I just met too, like it was last weekend where my, uh, My preacher friend who actually married my wife and I was preaching in town. He saved me from being kicked out of my house. Oh, when you got your church? Yeah, because my dad literally was kicking me out of the house because I got one. But it's just like, yeah, that generation doesn't play. They're just like, there's this association built in where you're some kind of degenerate fuck up. Yeah.

37:54Adam Schafer:It's really changed. Now when I see like -

37:56Sal Di Stefano:Well, it's swung back again. So it went from our parents' generation, okay, anti it. our generation being so pro, and that's cool to not have them. Yeah. Yeah.

38:05Adam Schafer:I know. Now when I see sleeve tattoos, I think they're a chef. That's typically what I think. We work with two chefs here. They're always, you know, chefs are always. Or neck tattoos. Yeah. A lot of chefs are rocking. So right away, I'm like, oh, you're a chef. That's so funny.

38:19Sal Di Stefano:That's a funny association. Isn't that kind of true?

38:22Adam Schafer:I would like to ask too, because this, I mean, how can you be like a busy chef and not be on cocaine? Wow. Wow. That's a really. every single one I've known is like it's a tough job man it's for sure we're getting messages to that one it's a thing dude you gotta be fast that's why you gotta be real fast and real alert there's another I don't know what the other profession is cause there's another one that's like that but it's crazy I wanna hear about that stat crazy environment speaking of crazy what's that crazy stat that you said about benching oh yeah yeah so 225 which is like not that much weight but I guess it's more rare was it like more rare than someone having somebody had 10 million yeah so hold on more rare for a guy to be able to bench 225 than to have 10 million dollars 10 million dollar net worth you know what's weird about that that's what's weird about that speaking coming from trainers i mean it's it was a stat that chris williamson

39:15Sal Di Stefano:shared so is that like that's counting your assets google it like you're uh it must be adding he

39:21Adam Schafer:actually had the percentages well i i know it's more rare to have a six-pack than it is to to be

39:26Sal Di Stefano:a millionaire i know yeah i think 225 is a decent press i mean it's not like crazy but justin's talking over here i know it took me a long time to get over 225 i don't know two wheels like yeah no it took it seems like it took me years of benching before i hit 225 i remember how what a big milestone here's here's what i i'll tell say this i started less than a wheel i started

39:45Adam Schafer:less than one i will say this i think it's harder to get 10 million dollars than bench 225 i can get most guys to 225 with consistency a few years of training good diet oh yeah difficulty oh definitely

39:55Sal Di Stefano:way more difficult to get 10 million dollars.

39:57Adam Schafer:I think it speaks less to the, well, I guess you could throw in that difficulty then because it's just hard to stay consistent enough to do it.

40:03Sal Di Stefano:I mean, that's why it's a neat stat because the same consistency that takes to make 10 million dollars, similar. So it's not like you're going to overnight make 10 million dollars or just be lucky and have like the effort to get all the way up to 10 million dollar net worth is probably decades of a profession or skill or whatever or a business. I wish it translated 225 to then 10 million. I'd say I would say most, most, most average guys, it would take five to 10 years to get over 10 to 25. I mean, it took me over five years. Yeah. For sure. It was over five years. It took you five. Yeah. Cause I was in my mid twenties when I finally, really?

40:38Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

40:38Adam Schafer:Oh, wow.

40:39Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. Yeah. I probably 25, 26 when I was starting to bench 225.

40:42Adam Schafer:I think I was, uh, the like single rep 220. I want to say 18 maybe, but I had been working before. Wow. Okay. So I looking up a couple of different things here. I'm doing my own research. Okay. You know how good that is. Don't ask me to do it, Adam. Wow. You're always dissing my Google skills. So, men, 0.4 % of the population could do 225, okay? 0.4%. Women is 0.02%. Oh, yeah. Women bench are 225. That's rare. But now, let's take a look at how many people are worth$10 million or more. Yeah. That's.066%. So I don't think it adds up, honestly. Yeah, regardless.

41:31Sal Di Stefano:Maybe it's made$10 million total in your lifetime or something. Maybe that's what we're misinterpreting.

41:38Adam Schafer:If you guys ever really want to make your wife angry, you guys want some advice? Here's what you do. You go on AI, you list all your characteristics and then ask it how rare it is that a man has all those wonderful characteristics. I did that. make yourself i'm not gonna say what they are but i'm like how rare is it that a guy's i listen to all these things and it gave me the i sent it to my wife i'm like babe you're so you're so blessed oh my god look how good you're doing it didn't work yeah didn't land like i thought no she didn't come to me with gratitude where were you this weekend uh just around i mean just errands and nothing like you guys didn't try you guys you guys weren't out of town you court we're not a talent or anything like that oh no no lots of errands and and uh shuttling the kids around that's like my life now dude really is like because just to get them to hang with their kids like other other kids are like uh morgan hill area yeah drive all yeah so i got a well your boy's gonna get his license soon he is yeah actually that's like a month dude it's oh wow that's here so yeah and that was thing we're doing a lot more research with that and so i'm like which car and like what are we doing are you are you scared at all because my daughter too

42:43Sal Di Stefano:yeah it's terrifying huh yeah terrifying yeah yeah well your your new driveway is kind of terrifying to be in and out and i'm a grown-ass oh that one yeah i don't even know how we're gonna handle yeah like that part would scare me too that new driveway is like i think he's gonna park down on the uh street below uh can you you can there's there's uh dirt kind of off to the side that is a parking spot oh i didn't know that so he'll park there probably a good idea Yeah, backing out of that. I mean, my drive was like this. Yeah. And it's like a hairpin turn when you get out of it. So someone coming around that corner.

43:16Sal Di Stefano:That is gnarly. Yeah.

43:17Adam Schafer:Yeah, I tried to scare my daughter. I was just like, you know what the number one cause of death is for teenagers? I'm going to show her the stats. Trying to scare the hell out. Oh, okay. Because what car? It's dangerous, bro. Is it still? Oh, yeah.

43:28Sal Di Stefano:I know it was.

43:28Adam Schafer:I didn't know if it still was. A teenager behind the wheel, the stats on their rate of - That's why their insurance is so high until they're 25. Think about it. You're operating a 7 ,000-pound machine, and you just – when they get their license, it's not like they're experienced. They did some driving. They passed a test. They gained their experience in the real world. That's how you become a driver is you go drive with a bunch of –

43:52Sal Di Stefano:Your brain's not even fully developed. No. Like the most important part when it comes to that too, the logical side. Well, now I'm nervous because I started getting him into motorsports and everything, And so he's like really into like stock car racing, like NASCAR into like IndyCar racing. And then it's so, I'm like, wait a minute. So we're definitely going to get him, like, it's probably like that old Yukon that we have, like some big bulky and like it's hard to park, you know, doesn't go fast, all those things. But he's starting to send me and Courtney, like he found this old like stock car racing car for like 20 grand.

44:29And then he found this other BMW, but it's not even street legal. And he's like, look at it. What a deal. I'm like, what, are you crazy? It's a deal because you can't drive on the street.

44:42Adam Schafer:Yeah, you can't drive on the street. So what are we going to do? It's only for a track. You know, my daughter's trying to close me to get her as a Jeep, but not like any Jeep. The one where you could take the doors off. Oh, the Jeep Wranglers would be a good call, bro. Yeah. That's a good call. We looked at that.

44:54Sal Di Stefano:With the doors off? So what? They go slow. They go slow. They're not fast. Get a big old rolled cage. Get a little, yeah. It's got a rolled cage on it. That's a smart. No. Yes, dude. No. I would totally put my kid. I'm not going to take the doors off.

45:08Adam Schafer:Yes, she is. She is? That's why she wanted it. She wants to take the doors off like she's the mailman. She just wants to take the doors off.

45:14Sal Di Stefano:In the summer. Maybe in the summer when it's a little hot. She won't do that for very long. It's a great summer.

45:19Adam Schafer:No, we were looking and there was one. The inside was stripped. I'm like, no way she'll like this. Because you can see the wires and everything. She's like, oh, I love this. This is cool. I'm like, get out of here, dude. Those are cool. I do.

45:28Sal Di Stefano:My best friend had a Jeep in high school. And I tell you, I mean, he drove the safest and the slowest. Those things don't go fast at all. It's sketchy because it's so boxy, bouncy. That's it. You ever been on that ride at Indiana Jones at Disneyland? Yes. Yeah, it's just. That's, you know, those Jeeps. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a good call, bro. Yeah. I mean, I like Justin's idea, too. Something like just big and bulky. You know what I'm saying? Well, big is hard.

45:57Adam Schafer:The only problem with big is that. It's parking and stuff.

45:59Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, and so they'll ding it up and stuff.

46:01Adam Schafer:That's why the Jeep is great.

46:02Sal Di Stefano:They're so compact and small. They're easy to whip in parking spots. They don't move fast. They've got the roll bar. I mean, I just think that's a smart call. There's not, you don't get in a Jeep and go race somebody. Like, I'd be more worried about that type of stuff. Racing, for sure. I'm nervous about that. Yeah, I wouldn't do that, for sure.

46:18Adam Schafer:Anyway, I want to talk on a topic of trainer turnover. I had somebody ask me a question about the high turnover rate. among personal trainers? Because we always talk about how this is a growing field, and it is, if you look at the data. Real high. It's a growing field. But you know those stats, Adam, are skewed because, well, let me ask you this. How high is the turnover rate when trainers have a good manager and mentor versus when they have a bad one?

46:43Sal Di Stefano:Well, we used to say that people don't quit jobs, they quit managers, right? So that's definitely a true stat, but still in general, it's a high turnover rate.

46:54Adam Schafer:It is. But when you have a good manager and a good leader, the turnover rate is way less.

46:58Sal Di Stefano:Oh, yeah. No, I mean, there was times where I think our turnover rate, and Justin's been a part of that team, where we kept a high majority of trainers for a long period of time. I mean, at one point, I had all master trainers, which means they all had to have over 5 ,000 hours of service, multiple certs. And we had a core team of about 13.

47:19Adam Schafer:Well, the reason why I'm communicating this is I want trainers who are trying to become trainers. they often ask where should I work and so we'll recommend big box gyms because there's lots of leads lots of opportunities they have the structure in place great place to learn all these different kind of clients that's all true but also pick a good leader or manager well yeah when you go to a gym uh you want to have a leader or manager really cares about your success not one that's just going to hire you and then leave you off to your own now you if you're in our group and you're with our course and you're in our we'll we'll coach you but there's nothing replaces having that mentor right in front of you.

47:54Adam Schafer:Oh, yeah.

47:54Sal Di Stefano:I mean, that your direct boss at a gym is going to impact you from a mentorship level more than anything, because they're going to spend the most time with you. It's like you're, in a sense, choosing your parent at that case, right? You're going to be living at that job. And so you probably want to choose wisely with somebody that you're going to really, really learn or like to work for.

48:15Adam Schafer:When I had my studio even, because I didn't even, these people didn't even work for me. They paid, they were contractors essentially. But when they would come on board for the first time, two months or so, I would help them get their clients. I'd go out with them and help them build their business. Because then the turnover rate was astonishingly high. It'd be interesting to see.

48:32Sal Di Stefano:I would think that it ranks in the top 10, if not top 20 turnover rates.

48:35Adam Schafer:A lot of people become trainers and a lot of people stay. Yeah.

48:38Sal Di Stefano:Realtors, I think, is number one. I think number one is realtors. But I would say that trainers is probably there. A lot of it, too, is just it's hard, one, to make a lot of money, period. But then it's also So you're at the mercy of the clients at first when they can do their schedule. And not a lot of people go into it with that. Like how many times did you have trainers that were like, yeah, I'm going to work from this block to this block. It's like, well, that's nice. You know, maybe one day you can build your schedule to be that way. But to say to limit yourself to only so many days a week at only this block of time is crazy.

49:10Sal Di Stefano:The trainers that I had that had the most success, there's always an anomaly. So there was somebody who did that. But very, very few. most of them were like, I'll work all seven days, anytime from 5 a.m. till 10 at night, and whatever I'll take. And what happens is you've got a nine o 'clock, a five o 'clock, a three o 'clock. And so, yeah. I would imagine that it's a high turnover because like, if you're looking at options for kids that are in college or in school, like that's an option. Like that's a profession you can kind of do simultaneous to learning another career. It's just that people don't take it as like the career option as much in like hospitality gets into this a bit as well but yeah i think it kind of falls in that category but if you go into it thinking like this is my career and like you're really approaching it with that mentality i think that's

50:01Adam Schafer:a good point i started like that i mean i did not it was yeah but the turnover rate is calculated in the first year so if you're doing this through college if you quit in three months you part of the turnover rate, right? If you're doing it to keep yourself. So it's really it's more about the managers. Look, I know gyms. I've been in many gyms and you have these fitness managers that don't coach and train their trainers and the turnover rates is terrible. It's horrible. Then you have ones that are great and it's like almost every trainer that goes and works for them.

50:29Sal Di Stefano:I was guilty of my first few years. I remember one of the most pivotal moments in my career as a manager was really starting to structure and organize the first 30 days of onboarding yes i can't remember if i read some book or some stat remember that's normally how it happens for me as i read something like i go oh my god that's crazy like just by making sure the first 30 days that you have some sort of process in place it ensures they're you know them staying for so long there's stats on it there are there's stats on it and i remember reading going like oh my god i'm i'm missing the mark here and then i just laid out like a 30-day plan of this like you know every day what they would do with me or foreshadowing and huge huge improvement it's incredible because that a lot of that too is like this is their i remember too it was like uh i started to do like a little care the first day a little care package they had a layout this is what we're going to do and like and it made a big difference on uh the onboarding process how good that trainer was how long they how long they stay with me the other one was also uh i told you guys this before was encouraging education i remember i saw that stat was a trainer who just has one national cert in addition to whatever base cert they need to have stays a certain amount of time.

51:38Sal Di Stefano:One that has two certs stays like double that time. One that has three certs - Increases each time. Yeah, it significantly increases just because they have gotten an education in that. And so I remember going like, oh my God, I'm going to let them learn on the clock. And so we started doing that in-house and that made a huge difference. Yeah, you were great.

51:55Adam Schafer:It's because you were a good mentor, 100%. So, all right, I want to bring up some studies on red light therapy. Have you guys seen, maybe Doug, you could Google these, the studies on red light therapy and mood? mood. On mood, no. Yes. So red light therapy has a significant impact on just improving someone's mood, depression and anxiety in particular. It's all energy production, right? It's all that mitochondrial energy production where people will start to feel lifted. It's got positive effects on depression, which is pretty amazing. That is amazing. So it's like you get the skin effects, you get all that.

52:29Adam Schafer:Look at that. Positive impact mood by influencing brain chemicals and potentially alleviating symptoms of conditions like seasonal affective disorder wow yeah that's that's funny

52:38Sal Di Stefano:uh because i didn't know that uh but that is actually katrina reports that and when she does the so on saturday we we stayed up till wee hours way beyond that we normally would and so did not get a great night's sleep and the next day she got up in the morning after her shower and she was sitting in and she and she was just like i always feel when i have something groggy and don't feel like that like it lifts her mood and she said that i was like oh that's so wild that that there's

53:05Adam Schafer:actually studies that support that yeah there's obviously i knew it helps mood disorders as well not just things like depression anxiety what what by what mechanism serotonin dopamine um

53:15Sal Di Stefano:those are kicking up yeah oh yeah so it would make sense after like a terrible night of sleep and you probably crushed all that uh-huh why she would feel so yeah it's a staple i i would say

53:25Adam Schafer:it's got to be a staple for somebody who's interested in in improving their health um Of course, above that is like exercise, diet, and sleep. But if you were to buy anything that would contribute to your health, like broad spectrum, right, across the board, right? Like what could I add to my repertoire that will give me benefits across the board with my health, not just one area or another, but insubstantial. Red light therapy. And the data on it is extensive. It's not like new data. This data goes back decades. And it gets repeated and repeated and repeated.

53:57Sal Di Stefano:I'd say that and sauna.

53:59Adam Schafer:Oh, yeah.

53:59Sal Di Stefano:We're getting ready to build out. Yeah, sauna's a good one. I'm going to build out a really cool one. Are you? Yeah, my house. It's the next project for us is to do that. Are you going to do infrared or just heat? I think I'm just going to do heat because I already have the red light. And so if I wanted to, I could bring it over to it or whatever. So I'm just going to do heat. I want to be able to do steam and heat, like dry and wet. So, yeah, we're looking into right now. I don't know if I'm going to do one custom or I'm going to buy one of the ones that are already done.

54:25Adam Schafer:You know, it's one of the best ways to get rid of, like, toxins in your body through sweat, like plastics, you know, xenoestrogens. Just the stats on it are crazy.

54:36Sal Di Stefano:The stats on just, what is it, three times a week at 10 minutes or something like that? Like, all-cause mortality goes down by. Significantly. Like, crazy amount. Yeah. Yeah, cardiovascular health, everything.

54:45Adam Schafer:It's an exercise mimic.

54:47Sal Di Stefano:It's such a simple thing to do. And if I had one at my house, there's been many times where I'm just like, oh, I didn't get my lift in. but I would have went over and sat in the sauna. So I'm looking at it like an investment for us. We're actually thinking about getting one too. Yeah, I'm definitely going to do that.

55:03Adam Schafer:If you're interested in methylene blue because you're hearing about all the mitochondrial benefits, the energy, the cognitive benefits, by the way, it works. The studies are pretty remarkable. Go with Just Blue. This is a company that we decided to work with. Each trochee, 16 milligrams of methylene blue. It's an efficacious dose. It's real and it works. Go check them out. Go to troscriptions.com. That's T-R-O-S-C-R-I-P-T-I-O-N-S.com forward slash Mind Pump. Use the code Mind Pump. Get 10 % off. Back to the show. Our first caller is Charles from North Carolina. How you doing, Charles? Hey, Charles.

55:39How can we help you? Hey, guys. I'll just read my question and then we'll get going. But excited to be here. I'm 42 years old, turning 43 in a week. I have two kids, 12 and 13. For my wife and I's 15th anniversary, we went to the Dominican Republic because she had always wanted to see the humpback whales have their babies. So we went and saw that in March of 23. I really struggled on the trip because of my weight and had just turned 40 and had to do something. In January of 2023, a chef that I was working with got me three-month membership to the YMCA because he was concerned about my health. upon return from the DR I began lifting with no plan and doing cardio with calorie restriction I lost 30 pounds pretty quickly but plateaued hard my wife found a trainer whose kids did jujitsu with our kids and really told me that I needed to reach out to him because he was telling her I was doing all the wrong things he owned a studio and had a couple trainers who worked for him and once my frustration became too much I finally reached out he being a long-time listener of the show.

56:52He put me up with one of his trainers we focused on protein goals which I was under consuming he set me about 200 grams and began strength training. I ran MAPS Anabolic consistently over the next year with some modifications from the trainer and in total lost about 100 plus pounds. I was working 50 to 55 hours a week as a chef, was helping homeschool my kids, and was involved heavily in my local church ministries. In April of 24, I fully tore my right bicep at work, which led to me being out of work for four months. During that time, the fitness studio I was going to closed because one of the trainers was embezzling, and I was terrified that I was going to lose all my progress.

57:37The owner who my wife had met reached out to me because we'd become friends and he introduced me to Mind Pump. You guys helped me navigate the challenges of the injury and how to be a better husband and dad and have been a consistent listener ever since. Once healed from the injury, he ran me through map symmetry. My right bicep was one and a half inches smaller and my right forearm was three quarters of an inch smaller from my DEXA scan when I started and I had great results through symmetry. When I was done with the program, I was completely balanced out in both arms. I had gained about two inches in my chest, lost two inches in my waist, but the scale had not moved.

58:23In January of 25, I started anabolic again, hitting several PRs each week and getting way stronger. I took advantage of the Black Friday with the plan to do performance advanced after that, anabolic advance after that, and then old time trying to plan my workouts for the year. Still no change in the scale as I ran through anabolic again. And then right before I was supposed to start performance, I tore my left bicep and my common extensor. While preparing for another surgery, the doctor had revealed that I had gained about 15 pounds since the previous surgery and had lost more than 5 % body fat, allowing the surgery to be done in a much easier fashion than the year before.

59:10The recovery from the second surgery went great because I had a better walk with the Lord. I was mentally in a much better place and I used peptide therapy. I came to the conclusion that I was drastically overtraining, believing more would get better results. Once healed, I ran MAPS 15. I'm currently in phase three. I'm training with much lighter weight, controlling my tempo, still hitting several PRs each time I lift, just adding a couple of pounds each week. My church bought me Performance 15 as a thank you for service, and I plan to run it next, but still no change in the scale. I currently weigh about 336 pounds, Like I said, down well over 100 and have been stuck there for about a year.

59:59I carry a lot of weight in my stomach, a lot of visceral fat. I know that I can't spot reduce. What should I do to help reduce the body fat, the belly fat? I'm really discouraged because I'm still not able to do things like ride a roller coaster with my kids and really was kind of thinking that this summer would be the one. Uh, currently my protein is about 285 grams a day, uh, consuming about 3 ,200 calories. Uh, my weights have kind of changed my flat and my incline is about 300 pounds. I can deadlift about three 75 and squat about three 50. Yeah.

1:00:34Sal Di Stefano:Great. Can we take a moment first, just to talk about what an incredible job you have already done? I mean, where you came from, how you started to where you're at and what you're doing is so good, bro.

1:00:48Adam Schafer:So good. And through two injuries. Yeah. And you also changed course. You also identified that you were probably doing too much through those injuries and changed course with how you approach fitness. Here's my question for you is what are you discouraged about? Yeah. I mean, I guess that I thought I'd be a little further along than I am. How much further? You represent 0.01 % of people who started where you were at. You lost 5 % body fat. You almost, I mean, I don't know how much further you could have got. In fact, I think you pushed yourself too hard, which is what caused those injuries. Yeah.

1:01:29Adam Schafer:Which will set you way back. I mean, you know that. I don't got to tell you that. But, you know, you go too hard or you try to push too fast, and then what will happen is you'll get an injury that will obviously stop you in your tracks. Incredible. I mean, look, here's the deal. There's nothing to be discouraged about at all. You're doing great, man. Honestly, stay the course. Yeah. And be patient. Stay the course. You're doing so well. This is one of the best success stories I've heard. And that's just the truth, brother. That is just the truth. And I know what happens. It's like you start, you're seeing things move, you're progressing, you're feeling good, and you want more of it, and you want more of it, and you want it to happen faster, or you set an expectation for yourself.

1:02:11Adam Schafer:But this is, I mean, this is incredible, brother.

1:02:14Sal Di Stefano:Let's talk a little bit about, you know, maybe some things that we can do diet-related, because as far as your protein intake, everything like that, have you been pretty consistent with like just, like, it sounds like you reverse dieted at one point, adding protein and calories. where where would you consider yourself now just kind of hovering at maintenance or do you go in cuts for a little bit and then do you do surpluses do you do you manipulate the calories like what does it look like no i'm i'm kind of in the uh the goldilocks zone as you guys kind of refer so i think uh i probably do dip in and out from surplus to uh to being in a cut from time to time got it i'm trying to not be like on the scale that often at this point what i try to do is just weigh uh each time i start a new phase of 15 and normally it's kind of like oh it might be a one or two pound shift good but i can i can tell some differences in composition just because uh clearly i built back both arms and uh as i did i've noticed like my arms have really leaned out I'm getting kind of vascular in my forearms.

1:03:22So kind of like. Do you hear yourself? Do you hear yourself? Each one of these things are a win, dude.

1:03:27Adam Schafer:Yeah, you lost 100 pounds. You're hitting PRs. You're consistent. You adjusted your workouts because you injured yourself, which is a tough thing to do when you come from where you came from. The fear often is if I cut anything out, I'm going to gain all this weight back. You made it through that. Good calorie intake that you're at.

1:03:45Sal Di Stefano:You're in the Goldilocks zone. You're strong. You are, though, touching on what we talk about why the goalie lock zone is so difficult. Psychologically, it's difficult. Because you don't see huge swings, it mentally messes with people. And so even though it is the sweetest place to be, it is really difficult for people to stay there for a long period of time because you want to see more movement faster. But you're actually seeing the best movement you can because you're not really moving a lot on the scale. You're slowly building muscle. you're slowly losing body fat you're staying fed i mean you're strong you feel good i mean you're in the sweet spot brother it's just and you know what like you have the you'll have these moments where you know it feels like nothing really happens then and i'm sure you've already experienced this in your journey where it feels like nothing's happened for a while then also you have a great like a week looks like oh my god i made this huge change in a week and it's just leaps it does that it's like uh the same way we talk about how kids grow you know your kids all sudden they you see you you don't see them for three days they grew four inches it's like how that happens like it just it works that way sometimes when you're consistent in that goldilocks

1:04:49Adam Schafer:zone usually how it works that's usually how it works how many hours are you working how many hours uh as a chef uh 50 to 55 but i've reduced that down i'm uh changing into a teaching role so i should have like a more normal schedule uh here pretty soon to where i've got some more time in the evening with the kids and things like that and how much time are you spending uh serving at the church? Uh, quite a bit. I do a youth Sunday school, uh, sometimes preach in the afternoon. And then on Wednesday nights, I do a addiction recovery ministry. And how many kids you got? I got two. Yeah. How old are they?

1:05:30Uh, 12 and 13. So my boy this summer was determined he was going to put on like 30 pounds of muscle.

1:05:39Adam Schafer:So two teenage boys, you got a full-time job, family you're doing all this i there is literally nothing to be discouraged by yeah this is like a and you're making progress yeah just stay the course stay patient stay the course

1:05:51Sal Di Stefano:you're doing everything right when you when you switch jobs up too should be good uh it'll lower stress a little bit yeah you'll see a little more progress maybe you can have take some walks because you have a little bit more time in your life like that i mean and you're strong you're strong as heck yeah yeah man yeah you're doing good you're doing really good there's

1:06:08Adam Schafer:really nothing i would change right you know what i was going to change but then you did already is I would have told you to go to do less volume and stuff because of the injuries, but you already did that on your own.

1:06:16Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. You know what we could do, Charles, that we could help with is put you in the private forum if you're not already in there. There you go. You got our support going through this process. Just check in. Yep. Okay. Yeah, I'd appreciate that. Yeah, yeah. I'll have Doug give you access to that. And then just keep us posted because, again, this is the hardest part of the Goldilocks zone is you can get discouraged and it doesn't feel like it's moving fast. And so, you know, just reach out in there. Keep us posted on your progress every couple months or as like you do when you check in on your transitions through the phases.

1:06:47Sal Di Stefano:Let us know how it's going and if you have any questions and we'll help you through this process. But you're doing great, bro.

1:06:52Adam Schafer:By the way, I know exactly what you're feeling. I go through this all the time. I even still go through this with myself. So I'm a much better trainer for other people than myself. There's two traps. One of them is you're making good, consistent progress. You don't see huge swings, so you've got to push harder. Here's the other side of the trap. you see crazy progress and you're like can I make it go faster there's no end to this because like it's really about change understand the mindset around it because whether you make fast progress or consistent slow progress you're going to want to go faster yeah so just keep that in mind but

1:07:24Sal Di Stefano:you're perfect and just remind I mean I don't I know I don't have to ask you but I'm pretty sure you feel like a total different man today than you just did two years ago and so you just got to remind yourself of that bro you know you're a whole different human being right now than you were two years ago and and doing a great job role model to your boys too yeah great job yeah continue the path bro that's it yeah you're doing really good awesome well appreciate you guys appreciate all the stuff that you guys put out uh loving the 15 program uh i told her i would throw out the seed you guys should do an old time 15.

1:07:59Sal Di Stefano:we got some stuff down the pipe stay tuned Hey, why don't you shout out to your trainer who was a big Mind Pump listener and turned you on to us in the first place. Give him some love. Who is that? Oh, Kellen Lake at Just For You in Winston-Salem. So, yeah, he was huge and a big, big help to me. Awesome. Thank you, man. Right on. Thanks for calling in. God bless, man.

1:08:21Adam Schafer:All right. Thank you. Take it easy. Great job. Yeah. Yeah. Great job. You know what's funny about this is you can tell as they're talking, as he's talking. He's hearing himself. Yeah, he's hearing himself like, This is a good thing. This is a good thing. I'm hitting PRs. But my weight. I'm getting two inches on my arms.

1:08:41Sal Di Stefano:I'm more vascular. Balanced out the imbalance I had from my injury. Yeah, and so you can hear in his own voice,

1:08:47Adam Schafer:he's like, uh-oh, I'm about to say something silly.

1:08:49Sal Di Stefano:That's why I was like, can we just take a moment, bro, to celebrate what you've done already? And what's so great, and you love to hear, is that, because I get it, that when you get hit in that spot, where you don't see big swings, you get discouraged, and he's kept going. Yep. So that's it. He worked his way out. And you've got to remind, like, this is a lifestyle change. And who said that? Who we interviewed? I love that. Like, I'm just, oh, it was when we interviewed, who was the guy that was a listener? Our only listener we've ever interviewed. Oh, yeah, yeah. Jesse? No.

1:09:21Adam Schafer:Seltzer. Jamie, Jamie.

1:09:22Sal Di Stefano:Sorry, Jamie. I can't believe I slipped me. But with Jamie, like, I'm a man who works out five days. That's just who I am. That's who I am. like this. Like you are becoming that person who just does his workout and that is going to serve you that mindset regardless of what's going on. Yeah, dude, doing great, man. Our next caller is Jimmy from California. What's up, Jimmy? How you doing, Jimmy? Hello guys. Guys, I've been, it's so unreal to talk to you guys. I've been a long time listener. Um, really quick. I'm going to read off myself if I get sidetracked. All right. Nice. So first off, I just want to say thank you guys for having me on.

1:09:54It really means a lot to me. I've been listening to Mind Pump for four years now and it's been a huge influence on my life and not just in fitness but just over but and how I think about growth in life for me fitness started off as a way to change my body but along the way it became so much deeper that's why I love this podcast because that's why this podcast means it's so special to me because I know you guys focus on the bigger picture not just the sets and reps and also really quick I would like to shout out your team Doug behind the scenes Kyle Rob and Ann and also can I give a shout out to my to the people that I work with yeah go ahead so it's going to be Paulette and George P and just Body Exchange it's a local it's a local locally owned gym here in town and I work at Body Exchange so shout out to Body Exchange anybody that goes to Body Exchange and really quick I'm going to read off my email I'll put hello guys I'm reaching out today because I've been dealing with some shoulder pain both on my left side and oh some shoulder and hip both on my left side and i don't know why so for some context i've been strength training for about a year and a half correctly with the help of you guys i completed maps anabolic twice performance it's my second time running performance as of yesterday i just started i just completed symmetry on and maps 15 i do maps primes before every one of my workouts and I pyramid up to my top set.

1:11:23I do notice pain when I do a heavy five by five bench and squat. I want to say my firm is pretty solid, but if you guys have any advice, and also a side note is you guys inspired me to become a personal trainer and to compete in my first powerlifting meet. I love you guys so much. And anything you guys say, I will do.

1:11:44Adam Schafer:All right. Thanks, man. I appreciate that. Yeah, good for you, dude. So it's when you bench heavy and squat heavy? Yes, sir. Yeah, and you want to compete in a powerlifting meet, so those are really important lifts for that. You must be pushing those pretty hard. Yes. What do your lifts look like? What are your top lifts on those, just out of curiosity? So my bench, like my PR is 245, but two plates. But I try to go like just below that, like maybe 80%, 90 % around there. Okay. And your squat, what does your squat look like? I want to say about two plates and 25. That's probably like my PR. and this again like 80 90 percent when i was once you get to a certain point with strength um you you have to really take some time uh like outside of that kind of training to start to bolster things okay so you feel fine until you start to go heavy and you're pretty strong what's your body weight at like 180 182 yeah so look at his shoulders elevated on the

1:12:43Sal Di Stefano:left side can you zoom in real quick i'll go back to the other picture and zoom in so i can see posture yeah yeah it looks like he's elevated on the left side i mean you're doing the right stuff

1:12:50Adam Schafer:i would say i would have you stick in a longer cycle of symmetry just like do it a couple times in a row before going back to those uh to those big lifts so would you say to rerun symmetry again that's right that's right i would do a couple rounds of symmetry and then do you have prime pro yeah i don't oh i'm gonna send you prime pro scapular depression it goes deeper into the joints And so you can do scapular and hip movements in Prime Pro that you won't find in Maps Prime that go a little deeper on working on stability and mobility. And you can practice those throughout the day. That'll help your bench a lot.

1:13:27Adam Schafer:Definitely. And is it my rotator cuff? Is it my AC joint? Could be. So where do you feel the pain in your shoulder?

1:13:33Sal Di Stefano:Are you looking at it, Sal? Yeah, it's a little elevated. Yeah, it's elevated and rolled forward a little bit. Look at, you can even tell by the top of his pec right there. And then look at the difference between his lat on the right and the left side. He's up and forward a little bit.

1:13:43Adam Schafer:Are you, show me where you feel the pain. Like in the front, more towards my front. Oh, AC joint. Okay, so that would be the AC joint. It looks like you might have a little bit of scapular imbalance based off of the picture that you sent. So I would do some of the scapular and shoulder mobility movements. Wall circles. And then where do you feel the pain in your hip? In my hip, it's, okay, can I show you? Yeah. So it's like right, like right, it just feels very tight. Okay. Now, here's what's interesting about that. So it could be QL, could be hip flexor. Sometimes it's hip flexor that needs to get stronger, which is weird because as a trainer, typically you're trying to make people's hip flexors looser.

1:14:28Adam Schafer:But I've seen this with people who strength train a lot where they're trying to figure out why their hip pain hurts, and they need to do hip flexor strengthening exercises. So you can even try some of that. So like single leg lifts and stuff like that and see if that makes a difference. But Prime Pro should help. and stay in symmetry for a couple cycles and then go back and see how you feel.

1:14:46Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, the wall press and then the shoulder, the scapular circles on the wall are the two movements I'm going to focus a lot on with you. And I actually think that if he's like that, the bar could be off just a little bit on what he's doing his back squats. So if the bar is just barely off on the back squats, you're going really heavy like that. That's where you might be feeling that hip, that side. But have you done the zone one, the wall test? I have, but it's been a while. That should be the thing you do before every lift. You start with that. Use that as a primer. And then do the scapula circles, which you're going to see in Prime Pro.

1:15:22Sal Di Stefano:We'll send that over to you, where you get against a wall and you make these circles, especially on that side. So the side that you're having those issues with, and you should do both, but that's the side you really focus on. And you can't do too much of that. This is something that you practice even throughout the day. But definitely before you work out, you've got to do those two priming movements before every time you lift. And then when you got time at home, you should be messing with it too. Just keep, you're trying to repattern that side. And to me, it looks like you do, you're a little rolled up and forward to me, just a little bit.

1:15:51Adam Schafer:It's probably not that bad because you feel okay until you start to get closer to your limit. And then when you start to get close to your limit, even if there's a 2 % imbalance, it comes out. Default patterns kind of kick in and take over. That's right. Yeah, so that's why it's just, it's going to take a lot of reps. And so the more you can do those scapular circles and really be disciplined with that and also prime ahead of time before you get into these big lifts is going to make a tremendous difference. Now, here's the other thing because you're a trainer, and I think there's value in this, would be to work with, see if you could hire an experienced powerlifting coach.

1:16:27Adam Schafer:Because they will see things that you don't see in those lifts. and they'll see technique, form, and they're masters at maximizing leverage, which believe it or not, maximizing leverage actually makes the exercise safer with the technique. And so you're at the level where a powerlifting coach would probably benefit you if that's something you're looking to do.

1:16:49Sal Di Stefano:I'm going to have Doug send you, we're going to send you Prime Pro. I'm also going to have him put you in the private form if you're not in there already. No. Okay, so I'm going to put you in there too. too. This way, if you don't hire the coach, because I'm with Sal, I think you should totally invest in that. It'll make you a better trainer. Even if it was just for like a month. Even if it was just like a month of having the trainer really help you with technique on those lifts, I think you'll get a lot from that. If you can't or don't, then at least you have us in the forum where you can video some of your movements and between the other coaches that are in there.

1:17:21Sal Di Stefano:And so hopefully we can help you out as much as we can virtually. okay and one last thing i'd like to share is i so i do work at a gym here locally in town body exchange and i was doing the front desk but since i want to become a personal trainer i i just got a promotion to do sales and i just wanted to share that with you guys first week as the sales oh that's great good for you man you know you would uh when you get if you haven't picked up the course that we did you would really appreciate that even as a because a lot of it is focused on sales so sal has a whole section in there that's on on so in fact you have your free webinar that's out

1:17:56Adam Schafer:there too don't you i don't know if it's out is it out doug i don't believe it is oh it's not oh i thought it was no but our course is very heavily uh you know it's real heavy in sales and marketing and building your business it'll be something valuable for you are you already

1:18:09Sal Di Stefano:fall are you already following the trainer instagram page that we have it's all i deactivated all my uh on my socials okay smart smart for your health terrible for your business

1:18:24Sal Di Stefano:so you get a burner phone yeah yeah well you're gonna need to be on there to get on that facebook forum and then uh we've got a lot of content that's focused for the trainer so it'd be it'd be beneficial for that just follow that we have a lot of people that just create a ghost one no picture no i thought just so they could be connected to us all that stuff so it's worth doing that i'm doing and also i've been keeping up with kyle's uh new podcast i've been listening to every single one of his podcasts i really love his podcast oh good awesome that's really good he's going to replace Justin. So that's what he is.

1:18:52Sal Di Stefano:He already did one time. It's, you know, it's going to happen soon. We've been interviewing, you know what I'm saying? Adam, you talked about in the podcast, if I'm not mistaken, I don't know if it was that one or maybe a previous one, where you said in two years from now that you would have a whole bunch of trainers. And I just want to say one day I would love to work over there. That's a great goal, brother. It's a good goal, man. Yeah, we'd love to have you.

1:19:15Adam Schafer:Yeah.

1:19:15Sal Di Stefano:Get in there. Get in there with the community then. That's going to be one of the ways to hijack you there.

1:19:19Adam Schafer:You can apply at mindpumpjobs.com. Yeah. Okay. Yep. All right, man. All right, Jimmy. Thank you guys so much. It means so much. I'm totally freaking out right now. Take it easy, brother. Thanks, man. All right. Thank you, guys. You know, it makes, there's so much value in a personal trainer hiring a specialized strength coach. Oh, yeah. Because they know things. I mean, you know, when you're at that level, you're a powerlifting coach or a running coach or a whatever. Small details, man. Oh, it's these little details, and then you can translate to your clients. Big time. Oh, man. You learn so much.

1:19:53Adam Schafer:I worked with, for a short period of time, an actual power lifter, and I knew what I was doing, I thought. The stuff I learned from them when it came to squatting, deadlifting. Olympic lifts, for me, it was crazy.

1:20:06Sal Di Stefano:Oh, you better get a coach for Olympic lifts. That's another level. You know, even just a short period of time, even just a month where you got four to five sessions with a coach like that, especially powerlifting because you're only focusing on a handful of lifts. that they're going to be i got help twice i got help twice and it was like game changer yeah yeah

1:20:22Adam Schafer:invest in that bro our next caller is nicolo from new york nicolo what's happening what's doing man what's up dude what's up guys how you doing good good how can we help you um first i want to say i'm really thankful for all you guys do i'm in my 20s and i send episodes to parents and there's to my parents in their 60s so just i think that speaks to the comprehensiveness of your coverage. Thank you. Thank you. So I'm 6 '1", about 165 to 170 pounds with 6 to 9 % body fat. I'm in pretty good shape and I've been lifting for four years, but I've always been skinny and want to get serious about bulking up.

1:20:56I'm at a good point in my life to do so schedule wise. And I've listened to a bunch of your bulking episodes for advice. Here's the thing. As I've started my bulk, I've also joined a gym that offers climbing and yoga classes for social reasons and just general enjoyment. I want to have the flexibility in my routine to do those kinds of things a few times a week, whether it's climbing, yoga, play basketball, that kind of thing. And I want to be sure that I'm lifting enough to support my bulk without overtraining. So could you guys recommend a split that facilitates muscle gain and a successful bulk without risking overtraining?

1:21:28Yeah. Thanks, guys. Yeah, easy.

1:21:29Adam Schafer:Mass 15. Great question. That's it. Mass 15 and eating a surplus. Yeah, you can't really overdo it with that. That's it. Yep. Those are great.

1:21:37Sal Di Stefano:Climbing and yoga classes to complement your strength training.

1:21:40Adam Schafer:Now, keep in mind, bulking isn't going to help your climbing. I hope you know that. It doesn't help climbing. But, yeah, if you're doing that a few days a week, MAPS 15 being a calorie surplus would be a nice balance. So you should see some nice, steady, lean mass gains with that. MAPS 15 and calorie surplus. Okay. Yeah. Great. And, yeah, I'm not super serious about any of the other sports. It's kind of just mostly for fun. I'm really serious about bulking up. If you're just serious about bulking, then what you would do is you wouldn't do, especially the climbing, and you would do like a MAPS anabolic and a surplus.

1:22:18Adam Schafer:But you really got to weigh it out.

1:22:20Sal Di Stefano:I still think 15 would be a good place to start.

1:22:22Adam Schafer:I mean, it's not a bad choice at all.

1:22:24Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, because here, when you struggle with eating, I mean, this was you and I when we were young. When you struggle with getting enough calories, all kinds of extra activity, doesn't always serve you and extra training doesn't always serve you i remember some of the best gains i made was when i reduced my training volume way down because i just had so much activity in my 20s i was doing a lot of stuff and so i would actually still run you on 15 first and then go to anabolic but i think you'll see really good gains just from you still press the intensity yeah oh yeah that's definitely up for grabs do you know what your calories are at so um my maintenance is is probably around 2800 i got pretty low i almost cut out carbs entirely i was on sort of like a keto diet and then now i've been uh incorporating those back in some white rice and oats and whatnot i'm getting up to like 33 3400 is kind of my target for the bulk

1:23:17Adam Schafer:oh good oh yeah you should do that yeah yeah no stay consistent with that massive team you should see yourself getting some nice lean body mass yeah okay excellent that sounds great so just 15 so to make sure i'm not over training and then would you say if i'm climbing doing yoga playing other sports that kind of thing you're perfect two three times a week is that totally fine that's fine with it totally fine just added activity just keep in mind when you do the extra

1:23:41Sal Di Stefano:activity try and make sure you push the calories a couple hundred more calories you know so just be mindful of that be like okay this is a week or i did a lot of climbing and other things and so So, you know, goals was always for me when I did an activity outside of my lifting was to feed, you know, an hour before, get a good-sized meal. And then as soon as I was done with that activity, try and feed again.

1:24:00Adam Schafer:You can also have intro workout carbs. So, like, while you're doing the climbing, you could have, like, a jug full of, like, coconut water or something like that with some carbohydrates in there. Yeah. That'll help. All right. Awesome. Yeah. Do you have Mass 15? Should we send that to you? You got it? I don't have it, so I would really appreciate it. Yeah, we'll send it to you, bro.

1:24:20Sal Di Stefano:Awesome. Thanks, guys. I really appreciate everything you do. Keep us posted. I'd love to hear how your results come from 15. Okay, we'll do. Yeah, I'll run through it and then check back in. Thanks a lot, guys.

1:24:29Adam Schafer:I'd love to. Thank you. Cool. Yeah, the intro workout carbs is actually, you could easily have 200 calories worth of just carbohydrates, drinking them while you're doing the activity. That always made a big difference for me when it came to size.

1:24:43Sal Di Stefano:I know we've hammered already nutrition timing a bunch of times in this podcast, but one of the things that helped me was doing the timing, not because there's anything magical with the anabolic, was just to get the calories. That's right. It's like if I made a conscious effort to, okay, I'm going to go play ball right now, go have myself four or 500 calories. You're counting for it ahead of time, which is - Yes, and I think that was the most important part of it. Otherwise, I could easily go play ball, and then especially after I play ball, it's really hard for me to want to eat a normal meal, so I'd have to do something liquid that I could just pound really quick.

1:25:15Sal Di Stefano:That really helped. That made a big difference.

1:25:17Adam Schafer:Yeah, but even the intro workout stuff, because if you're playing or climbing, that's like two hours. And it's not going to hurt you to drink carbohydrates if you're doing something that requires endurance. It might actually help. Yeah. So it's an easy way to get those energy out.

1:25:30Sal Di Stefano:And I think someone like that who is a hard gainer does better with the lower volume. Right. So I like the Mavs routine first. And then, you know, if he starts to get some momentum, then rolling to Anabala, it's a good place for him to start. Perfect.

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