2696: 6 Ways You Are Destroying Testosterone (Listener Live Coaching)

15:25Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

15:25Adam Schafer:So I think that's part of that. Chronic sedentary lifestyle, long term, like 2 ,000 steps or less a day for months or years, you're looking at 30 % lower testosterone.

15:36Sal Di Stefano:Okay, you just said 2 ,000 steps a day. the average American is only at like 35, 4 ,000. So, I mean, that means a vast majority of people probably fall in that category.

15:47Adam Schafer:That's right, that's right. And, you know, 20 % lower, so I said 30, 20 % lower, like that's the difference between a man being at 700 versus 500. That's a pretty big difference in how that feels. And you know this if you measure your hormone levels, you know, it makes a decent difference. Now we're going to get into nutrient deficiencies. there's two common ones that have the largest impact on testosterone. We'll start with the first one, which is too low of vitamin D. Yeah. Too low of vitamin D. Now, vitamin D deficiency is relatively common. It's not that uncommon in just the average person.

16:20Sal Di Stefano:Did you watch the doctor that I sent over to you that had the controversial take on the vitamin D supplements?

16:26Adam Schafer:Oh, I forgot. I did watch it.

16:28Sal Di Stefano:And so her argument was it is less to do with the vitamin D and it's actually just being exposed to the sun and what the sun provides for the body in terms of vitamin D versus supplementing from it. So she believes that we, and again, you'll have to dive in through some more of her stuff, but it was sent to me a while back and I kind of went down the rabbit hole of her content. I thought this is an interesting take. And she thinks that the whole idea of supplementing for vitamin D is kind of a moot point. and the thing that is more beneficial to that person is actually getting the vitamin D through sunlight, and that's what's actually...

17:05Adam Schafer:I would agree with some of that. I think if you could get... I know, I thought that was interesting. That's why I sent it to you, because I thought it's an interesting take. I remember watching it now.

17:11Sal Di Stefano:And I'm not like, I don't have a hard stance of like, no, this is wrong. Vitamin D supplements is the way to go. It's like, hmm, maybe there's something there.

17:18Adam Schafer:I think that there's some truth that if you get it from sunlight, that's probably the best way. But even if you look at natural intakes, Like you go to the Northern European regions where they had very little sunlight for months on end and they would eat, you know, just basic foods that they ate for thousands of years, like cod liver, which had vitamin D, which would solve a lot of these problems. And vitamin D supplementation does reverse the low testosterone that comes from vitamin D deficiency.

17:49Justin Andrews:There's probably other characteristics that they haven't quite pinned with getting sunlight with your cells benefiting from that. But yeah, who knows? It's still better to supplement than to be deficient.

18:02Sal Di Stefano:I know it's anecdotal because I'm talking about my own personal experience. But in order to get my vitamin D levels up, I have to supplement quite a bit. So even 5 ,000 IUs wasn't doing it. I had to take like 10 ,000. but i have to say that the supplementing it never really made me feel different it made me read different on the test oh right but and i and i recently you know since we moved to the new place where i have a pool i am outside at that pool you feel different it reminds me since i was a kid yeah and i feel i can feel different sure i feel the energy and so that's why when i when i like you're charged up like a battery it does so uh well there's so many more benefits well i was gonna Maybe there's obviously more going on than just the vitamin D argument there.

18:46Sal Di Stefano:But I've never supplemented vitamin D and actually went like, oh, I feel different. But I 100 % have felt the difference.

18:55Adam Schafer:Well, I'll give you an analogy. It's like the benefits of eating breakfast, lunch, and dinner versus the benefits of eating it with friends and family. Both of them give you the nutrients, same food, same calories, same nutrients. One of them has more health benefits because you're with friends and family. I think being outside, there's so many other benefits to being outside and seeing the sun.

19:16Sal Di Stefano:Circadian rhythm. All that stuff. Probably makes me sleep better. That's right. That's right.

19:19Adam Schafer:Versus just the one aspect of it. Which that makes...

19:22Justin Andrews:And this has made its way through as the silly thing, but there's somebody else that just did a video about perennial sunning. Oh, my God. And justifying it as it's got a small mucus lining, so therefore it absorbs more of the sun's vitamin D. People who talk about that.

19:40Adam Schafer:selling this dude first of all i i don't understand the the perineum by the way is the area it's in your uh in your butt hole it's just say yeah okay so thanks i'll just say it um there i don't even know they can't even make an evolutionary argument for it when would your when in nature our ancestors just you know stick their butt first of all that would make you extremely vulnerable to like yeah i would think so i don't see cavemen like hey i seriously think you know my theory around that is my theory is that's that's because it's wild and extreme it's influencers who literally want to just just put their butt like show everyone i think i think so i think they're seriously like i think you're right there's a little bit of weirdness there yeah and they're coming up with stupid i just found it funny anyway low vitamin d uh mild deficiency about a 15 reduction chronic deficiency 30 so a big difference in testosterone levels from low vitamin d wow so all right zinc is the next one too low of zinc low zinc deficiency isn't as common as vitamin d but it's common enough to when a man has low testosterone one of the things that a good doctor will do is uh test and see maybe you need some more zinc in your diet yeah mild deficiency 10 to 20 reduction chronic deficiency here's the deal if you have a chronic deficiency in zinc your testosterone tanks totally tanks between 40 to 70 percent wow so yeah wow yeah zinc is more with zinc it is essential for testosterone production absolutely essential wow so you're if you're chronically deficient in zinc like good luck is magnesium tied to that a lot of times you want to

21:17Justin Andrews:have a balance yeah like a balance with it i'm sure that's why oysters are so good for your sexual health yeah that's why i'm talking about that's why oh interesting is it one of the highest

21:25Sal Di Stefano:like nutrient dense like zinc wise I don't know if it's the highest I can look it up I believe it may be that's funny now this is why it's tied to

21:32Adam Schafer:yeah look at foods that are high in zinc because I don't even know I just know pennies

21:37Sal Di Stefano:that's why I like pennies suck on some pennies

21:39Adam Schafer:it's a pastime of mine I don't even think pennies have zinc anymore I think they have zinc yeah now it used to be copper yeah

21:47Justin Andrews:oysters are famously high in zinc higher concentration of the mineral than other foods let me find yeah give me like top five

21:53Sal Di Stefano:because I'm just curious if there's anything else that we would typically find in our diet. Because as far as I know, that's like the universal libido.

22:00Justin Andrews:Okay, so oysters, meat, nuts, dairy products, eggs, pumpkin seeds, fortified cereals. I get a lot of those. Cereals. Fortified cereals, you guys. I like how to eat my pumpkin seeds. Rentals.

22:12Adam Schafer:You know, there's a supplement called ZMA, zinc, magnesium, aspartate. Yeah, yeah. It's been used by, you remember this? It's a vial or staple, right? Forever. And one of the reasons why some men literally, I have a cousin that uses EMA, and he's like, man, every time I take it, it's the zinc. It's got to be the zinc. It's got to be the zinc. All right, the last one is the guess. Here we go. I got a guess. Everybody has a guess. Don't ruin it. Don't ruin it. No, no, no. Can you just let us guess, and then you can give us hints if we're all wrong? Okay. I'll let you guys guess, but I'm just going to say this.

22:42Adam Schafer:It's going to cause some controversy, but we got data to support it.

22:47Justin Andrews:Let's get controversial. My first one's not controversial. It's overtraining, working out too hard.

22:53Adam Schafer:Oh, yeah, that plays a factor. It's more specific than overtraining.

22:57Sal Di Stefano:Okay, so I say poor relationships. Okay. I'm going to say losing your job. No.

23:06Adam Schafer:No, you guys are wrong. Doug was the closest. Okay. A study reveals this was published in the European Journal of Applied Physiology. Okay, they compared long-term, ready for this? Running. Ready for this, you guys? This is going to piss off a lot of people. It does support a lot of what we've been saying for a long time, so that's all. Oh, good. They compared long-term endurance runners. Oh, yeah. Wait, wait, it gets better. Ready for this? Uh-oh. With sedentary men. Whoa. They compared people who did a lot of endurance running to guys that did nothing.

23:39Sal Di Stefano:Wow. And their testosterone was similar. About the -

23:42Adam Schafer:41 % lower. 41 % lower. Is that not crazy? So what they say, you want to hear what their - By the way, they tested a couple things with this. They looked at. Well, there's two major factors that we've already talked about.

23:58Justin Andrews:Huh? Like weight train or was it pure endurance? No, these are just runners.

24:02Adam Schafer:These are just guys that.

24:03Sal Di Stefano:Well, they're going to create the calorie deficit that way because they're moving so much. And then the repetitive pounding on the joints, it's probably put them in this recovery trap where they're not ever recovering because they're low calorie and they're pounding on the body for long periods of time. and they will go beyond that hour distance where now the body is like, oh, switched all the way over into a period.

24:24Adam Schafer:So here's what they did. They tested their - Lack of recovery.

24:26Sal Di Stefano:And the paring down a muscle.

24:27Adam Schafer:They tested their, well, that last one. So they tested their testosterone levels lower. Then they tried to stimulate testosterone by giving them HCG, I believe is what they gave them, right? Which is a, it mimics luteinizing hormones. So when your body produces luteinizing hormone, you produce more testosterone. So if you give HCG to a man, he'll produce more testosterone. The endurance runners, when they gave them HCG, they responded less to the HCG than the sedentary men. So not only did the bodies produce less testosterone at rest, they also responded less to the… Why would you respond less to the HCG?

25:06Adam Schafer:They argue. This is what the researchers were arguing.

25:09Sal Di Stefano:Do you downregulate?

25:09Adam Schafer:This is what the researchers were arguing. They don't think it's really a negative. They think it represents an adaptive trade-off. where lower testosterone helps prevent excess muscle mass that would hinder endurance performance. It is an adaptation. So that's signals. In order to be really good at endurance, if that's the main sign and signal, and you just want lots of endurance, you do no strength training. You don't want that dense tissue on you.

25:36Justin Andrews:You don't want to carry a lot of weight.

25:36Adam Schafer:Too much muscle mass. Look, first of all, as muscle cells grow, it is more difficult to deliver oxygen to them because the surface area ratio to the total area of the cell becomes disadvantageous. So a big, strong muscle -

25:50Sal Di Stefano:They demand more oxygen and you're using so much up. That's right. So big muscles, bigger muscles

25:55Adam Schafer:are stronger muscles. Bigger muscles have less endurance though. They're just less, they're not able to produce as much endurance. Anaerobic, yeah. That's right. So it's an adaptation. So like we've said before, lots and lots of endurance training is a competing signal and it tells the body to pare muscle down. And part of that adaptation is lower testosterone. So these men who were active who are running in comparison to sedentary men had lower significantly. That's wild. We just did a commercial for not running right now. There's so many guys. You know? Now there's health benefits. Sure, sure.

26:32Adam Schafer:You combine it with strength training appropriately. I think it's also dumbed.

26:36Sal Di Stefano:And you actually eat in a caloric surplus sometimes. That's right.

26:39Adam Schafer:And I also think it's a good idea. I don't think it's a good idea to have no endurance. I think that's also terrible for health. And so I'll be very clear, go on the record for saying that. But yeah, if you just run and that's all you do, you're going to hammer your testosterone. Wild. Isn't that crazy? That is. More justification. I thought that was pretty cool. Anyway, I got a funny story to tell you guys. I did such a, just a bad dad thing. Oh boy. Yesterday. This is like classic dad stuff. Like, you know, dad's listening right now. I'm sure we've all done this before. You think you're going to do something and you think the reaction is going to be funny and then you end up terrifying the heck out of your kid.

27:14Adam Schafer:Yeah, dude. So my kids, my little ones are super excited for Halloween, especially my two and a half year old. Papa, papa, it's almost happy Halloween. Every day she tells me that. She calls it happy Halloween. It's almost happy Halloween. And she's so psyched. And she's going to be a bunny. And she's worn the bunny costume now a few times in the house. My son's going to be Godzilla. He's got a Godzilla costume. Sick. They wanted my wife to be a llama for some reason. What? I don't know.

27:39Sal Di Stefano:I don't know. Poor Jessica of all the animals. Lama? Ugly ass llama.

27:45Adam Schafer:Is she really going to do it? Yeah, she probably will. Oh, wow.

27:47Sal Di Stefano:She gets mom award for that one.

27:49Adam Schafer:Because my son is going to be Godzilla, he wants me to be Godzilla's friend, King Kong. Right? So I got a gorilla suit. Oh, right. Okay, cool. Gorilla suit comes in the mail. We're friends now. Yesterday. You tried it on.

28:01Sal Di Stefano:You scared your kids, dude.

28:02Adam Schafer:I saw it. I'm like, oh, this is great. So I told Jessica, I said, honey, get the phone ready. I want you to record this. So I go in the bathroom, and I put on the full suit with the mask and everything. Oh, God. And I come out. Boo! Ah! my daughter, bro, traumatized her. Oh, my God. And she's just crying. And then I take the mask off, and she's still upset. And then she comes to me, and she's like, buh-buh, you scared me. That wasn't nice. I'm like, I'm sorry, honey. I don't like your costume. Oh, honey, I'm so sorry. Oh, God.

28:29Sal Di Stefano:Now you're not going to be able to wear it once? All night, dude. Oh, my God. She's so sad. What a crappy dad. You know, I know. I feel so bad. This falls in that category of sarcasm on children. Yeah, don't tease your kids. Yeah, they just, it doesn't land the same way for your brain processes oh this is funny playful but their brains don't process it the same way and so anything that you think is fun and teasing is not what did i think was going to happen what an idiot i know when you think two and a half i mean looking back now it's like kind

28:57Adam Schafer:of duh i thought she would kind of be like oh and then i'd take the mask off haha yeah but she just too bad she immediately is just terrified yeah ran behind her mom and i felt so bad well now let's see what happens if you could even put it on now well i showed her and i said i'm gonna put it on in front of you. And I think what I'm going to do is walk around without the mask on because it's a mask that really scared the hell out of her. Yeah, yeah. Just terrified. What a dummy, dude. Poor baby.

29:21Sal Di Stefano:Just didn't land, dad.

29:23Justin Andrews:I've never understood people who intentionally scare their kids. Well, that's weird. That makes no sense to me.

29:28Sal Di Stefano:It's a weird person. Yeah, yeah. Where are those kids now? And what's that relationship? Therapy. Therapy, exactly. Not coming home for holidays. She's going to tell that story

29:36Adam Schafer:one day to her therapist. Why don't you like going to the zoo? Oh, my dad would die I put on a gorilla outfit. It scared the heck out of me. I mean, it happens. I feel so bad, dude. Anyway, I got a study on plastic exposure. Uh-oh. Yeah, this is an interesting one. So this was in Science Daily. It was from the New York NYU Langone Health and NYU Grossman School of Medicine. They did a huge review, and they found that everyday exposures to plastic poses lasting risks to children. so if you're exposed as a child, to heart disease, infertility, asthma, and brain development issues. So these chemicals found in packaging, cosmetics, and household items can disrupt hormones, ignite chronic inflammation, and lower IQ.

30:22Adam Schafer:Wow. Yeah, so these are all the, like, just the plastics are exposed to. You know what I was thinking about this? Because I'm like, well, you know, we're pretty good in our house with plastics and this and that. Toys. Toys, and I'm wondering now. You're going to take all your kids' toys? It's so pervasive. Make wood toys? Just plastic.

30:40Sal Di Stefano:You should do that. Wood toys? Yeah, all wood toys.

30:43Adam Schafer:We actually buy a lot of wood toys.

30:45Sal Di Stefano:Do you? Yeah, we do, but they also have plastic. Then they have the paint all over it. Yeah. Oh, yeah, the metal ones all have wood.

30:50Adam Schafer:I don't know if the paint, yeah, I don't know about the paint all over wood is better than the plastic. And I'm wondering, my daughter loves stuffed animals. I wonder how many of the stuffed animals, if they're like synthetic materials and stuff?

31:03Justin Andrews:Yeah, because what they stuff them with, I'm sure, is like plastic.

31:06Sal Di Stefano:I mean, there's got to be. a hierarchy of things that really make the biggest difference. One, I've got to think the way you cook and the kids are eating is far greater than the toys they're playing with. I would think also the water bottles the hair stuff and everything that you put on shampoos and stuff on their skins because it's a huge organ that could absorb. I think if you're checking probably those big boxes, I imagine you're okay. You know, although none of it's probably great for you. Yeah. But I mean, come on.

31:37Adam Schafer:You know, we did. You know, one of the best ways to, lack of a better term, detox your body from these things is eat a lot of fiber. And then the other one is sauna. Sauna use. So we just bought a sauna. I know. That's why I'm excited. And my wife's using it, having kids use it too. So she'll go with them for a little bit. Well, I was going to ask, what is the stipulation for kids

31:58Sal Di Stefano:and how long they can get in there?

31:59Adam Schafer:She just keeps them in there until they sweat a little bit and pulls them out. She's not trying to push the time or anything like that. But just to get them to sweat, you know, on a regular basis. It's infrared. Infrared's supposed to be better for detoxing than the traditional ones.

32:13Sal Di Stefano:You know, my uncle just sent me a thing on the blankets. Have you seen the blankets that are popular now? Infrared blankets? Yeah. Have you seen those? Have you seen those? I've seen them. Yeah, Google them. I think there was a company called Helix. There's another company. He was asking me about how beneficial they are. And, you know, the one thing I told him is, like, You've got to be careful with all the red light stuff out there now because there's so many.

32:36Adam Schafer:Oh, no, I'm saying infrared, not what you're talking about. Red light therapy is different.

32:39Sal Di Stefano:Well, even the infrared is the same way too. It has to be a certain wavelength to get the same effects.

32:44Adam Schafer:No, I don't think so. Yeah, what you're talking about is red light therapy. Infrared, you don't see the – it's just different. It just heats up the body. Yeah, but I think the wavelength still matters.

32:53Sal Di Stefano:Really? I think. I don't know. That's why I'm asking you guys. I was under the impression it's similar to the red light therapy is that there's a lot of fake stuff that doesn't. I know it's the sweating.

33:05Adam Schafer:The sweating is what really helps with the detox. So if you're sweating, then it makes a big difference.

33:09Justin Andrews:This one you're referring to, Adam?

33:11Adam Schafer:We don't see it. Helix, you don't see it? Yeah.

33:13Justin Andrews:What was the supplement for, because I know I was concerned about the microplastics making its way through the brain barrier. And there was some supplement, I forget, somebody had mentioned to combat that.

33:25Adam Schafer:Well, psyllium husk, if you take that regularly, that's a fiber. Right. Yeah, and that'll help. You know what's funny? There's two supplements I've been taking forever for other reasons that just miraculously probably are saving my butt. Yeah, methylation with creatine. Creatine, and I've been using psyllium husk for probably 15 years. I'll take like 12 capsules a day just for better digestion because of gut issues. Yeah. So it might have saved my butt a little bit. Wow. Those are the blankets right there. Yeah, but I mean, wouldn't you be sweating inside of a blanket? Yes, that's what it's supposed to be.

33:53Adam Schafer:You lay underneath it and you sweat your butt off. That feels terrible. I know. And then could you imagine getting it the second time?

34:01Sal Di Stefano:It's all gross. Yeah. How do you clean something like that? Ew. Do they throw them in the wash? I mean, I'm so curious because my uncle asked me, and I'm supposed to know the answer. It's$500. No, that's a cheap one. They get way more expensive. Really? Oh, yeah. They get in the thousands. A blanket? Okay. Just buy a sauna. What made me right away go, okay, so there's a massive difference. There's brands that are like$500, then they get up to like$1 ,700,$2 ,000. So if it's all the same.

34:27Adam Schafer:You have to lay on a bunch of towels and stuff. Otherwise, you're going to get your whole bed sweating. No, it's like a sleeping bag. Oh, it is?

34:35Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, it's a full sleeping bag. You better be able to wash that. I know. I don't know.

34:39Justin Andrews:You can wipe it down.

34:40Sal Di Stefano:You can wipe it down?

34:41Justin Andrews:Yeah, I think it's a plastic.

34:43Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, yeah.

34:44Adam Schafer:Okay. That's the other thing I'd be worried about is when you're using a sauna or something like that, is what kind of plastics are they using in it? Because you could be releasing other chemicals in the air. on your body. Especially in a plastic blanket like that, right? You're going to write to us now, watch.

35:03Justin Andrews:Here's how this works. I don't know.

35:05Sal Di Stefano:I'm genuinely just asking and curious. My uncle literally just texted me this two days ago. So the fact that you went this direction in infrared and everything like that, I'm like, oh, that makes me bring that up.

35:13Adam Schafer:Did you guys see the new Eli Lilly drug that came out? No. Doug, look up Eli Lilly. Oh, the pill form of GLP-1? That's right. Oh, yeah. Yeah, look up there. It's in phase three. I think their stock, I want to look up their stock. I think it really went up. after this news or whatever because it's the first let me look it up eli lily uh yeah dude the news came out um and it went up like it went up considerably like 30 like maybe did you buy before i know you were talking i didn't oh you didn't no i didn't but they have uh look up their their obesity their new obesity drug that's coming out um and see what that looks like Did you find it?

35:54Adam Schafer:What does that say?

35:57Sal Di Stefano:Orforgiblerg. All of these are such terrible names. Orforgilipron. I can't even say that.

36:05Justin Andrews:Orforgilipron.

36:06Sal Di Stefano:Orforgilipron.

36:07Justin Andrews:Something like that. You snorkeblurg.

36:10Adam Schafer:What does it say?

36:11Justin Andrews:So it's a once a day pill.

36:13Adam Schafer:And does it say what it's showing in terms of weight loss and all that stuff? Oh, yeah, there you go. Scroll down. Phase three trials. The highest dose produced average weight loss of 12%. after 72 weeks. That's not bad. It's not nearly as strong as the injectable versions, which are average about 20 % to 25%. But it's not injectable. But delivery, yeah. It's a pill.

36:33Justin Andrews:It's huge for mass adoption.

36:36Adam Schafer:Yeah. I stand by what I said before. I think probably 70 % of the US population

36:44Sal Di Stefano:is going to be on some form or other.

36:46Adam Schafer:I agree with you.

36:47Sal Di Stefano:The part that I'm teetering back and forth on, my opinion was that it would be a net positive. Right. I believe that it would be a net positive, but I'm also really concerned that if that many people take it, it maybe goes to a net negative. There's no doubt going to be some people that hire coach, make protein essential, follow a training regimen like the one that we wrote that's appropriate, that will have massive success and it will be life changing for them. And for that reason, I think it's incredible. but if it becomes that popular where everybody's ordering these things left and right pill form and just trying and doing it this may change my opinion of this being a net positive and we'll actually have more negative which would be so sad because we would then look at obesity dive but then we'll be we'll be talking about under how under muscled the entire country is and how more dangerous that and we'll just have chated one epidemic for another which would be horrible

37:47Adam Schafer:you know did you see the other news on this there was another uh also published in uh science daily this was on september 9th from flinders uh university uh and it showed that there's uh a hidden pregnancy risk okay so here's why they're saying this we don't know what the effects of glp1s are when you're pregnant yeah but what's happening is a lot of these women who are really obese they start to lose weight from ozempic they they suddenly become more fertile and they get pregnant and this is happening well that's kind of like a that's not that's not weird or strange no but then they're on ozempic and they're on it and they don't know that they're pregnant for the first however many weeks and so they're like you need to give you need to tell they're recommending that women are on contraceptive or or actively not trying to get pregnant while they're on ozempic because they don't know what the effects would be on a uh-huh on a developing interesting but yeah there's a lot of women that are like suddenly like oh my god i'm pregnant yeah you

38:41Sal Di Stefano:know i missed the uh this the smoother transition to talk about the thing i had written down was when you were talking about running did you see that the world record was just set for um the single mile pushing a stroller pushing a stroller yeah yeah does a baby have to be in the stroller no a real baby is in the stroller and a dude just set the record for four minutes and 20 oh my god Yeah, dude. In a mile? A mile in four minutes, and I want to say 30 seconds. Pushing a baby in the stroller. With a real baby. With a real baby in the stroller.

39:16Adam Schafer:That seems dangerous. Yeah. Is he strapped in?

39:19Sal Di Stefano:I mean.

39:20Adam Schafer:Bro, that's a race. You're racing with your kid.

39:22Sal Di Stefano:Where do you fall? Oh, 426. That is wild when you think about that. It wasn't that long ago when the four-minute mile was, like, broken. The fact that someone could hit a fork. With a kid in the stroller. And now you're pushing a stroller. I want to see what this looks like. Yeah, it's a legit baby. Took the picture with the baby and everything afterwards. I thought, oh, this is interesting. I got to bring something up.

39:45Adam Schafer:We should do one too, and then we'll push Doug in it. We'll take turns. We'll see. See how fast.

39:51Justin Andrews:See if he gets the best score.

39:53Sal Di Stefano:Tampa Father breaks world record. Wow. There's the baby. The baby's.

39:58Adam Schafer:Yeah. I feel like that's dangerous, though, no? Oh, what a cute baby. I mean, they make the strollers. What a cute baby. They make the strollers pretty...

40:06Sal Di Stefano:Wow, look at that. I mean, it would only be dangerous if the baby started to get up, which I...

40:11Adam Schafer:Well, no, what if you fall or something?

40:13Sal Di Stefano:Well, even if you fall, you just let go of his rolls in front of him. He's just pushing it. It's like going down a hill, you know what I'm saying, or a bunch of cars driving by. Look at it, baby's all strapped in. Yeah, there it is right there. That's him running it.

40:23Adam Schafer:Yeah, I mean, he's moving pretty good.

40:25Sal Di Stefano:But I mean, imagine, he falls, like nothing's going to happen. That's not as sketchy as they thought. Baby's going to roll straight ahead for a little bit. Yeah.

40:31Adam Schafer:That's pretty funny. Yeah. That's a cute baby too. We have one of those strollers. We don't have one of those. That seems like a pretty, that's an amazing Ferrari stroll.

40:40Sal Di Stefano:You know Lamborghini and Rolls Royce make strollers? Yes, they do. Look up Rolls Royce stroller. And Bentley makes one, Rolls Royce makes one.

40:51Adam Schafer:They have their own umbrellas too, right? You know what that's for? Can I tell you what those strollers are for? It's like, when I'm not in my car, how are people going to know? How do they know? I have a scarf. That's like wearing the gear. That's like wearing the gear, too. That's like wearing the hat. I want people to know I have an awesome car when I'm not in the car, too. How do I do that?

41:08Justin Andrews:Yeah, but then you get the people that don't even have the car wearing the gear. Well, that's the funniest part, I think, right?

41:13Adam Schafer:Oh, my God. That's a gorgeous stroller. I know. It is. It's actually sick.

41:16Sal Di Stefano:And you can imagine if you see the craftsmanship in Rolls-Royce is in a league of its own. So a stroller. I mean, I'm not going to lie. I would love to have that, but I would never do that. Well, it's got, that can't be real. It's got reams. Yeah, yeah. Look it up. it's like$5 ,000 maybe more I can't remember I saw it one time I thought oh that's crazy that's sick though wow tell me that's not sick

41:38Justin Andrews:no way

41:39Sal Di Stefano:that is again did they say$100 ,000

41:41Justin Andrews:is that right

41:41Sal Di Stefano:no it's not$100 ,000 is it

41:43Justin Andrews:would you buy one for$100 ,000 is it rolled on it

41:45Adam Schafer:like what's happening here yeah I think so again this is like I just want okay when I'm walking my baby I got this problem I just need people I need people to know that I have a roll house that I have a lot of money yeah what do I do yeah oh here here's a it is kind of cool I just want to walk past a bunch of homeless people and just, you know, laugh at them.

42:01Sal Di Stefano:Man, did I send to you? I thought I sent to the whole group. I know Sal watched it. Did you watch that guy? I think his MD, I want to give him a shout out too, MD Motivator, I think, on Instagram. You're going to be crying, bro. He finds these homeless people. Like crowdsourcing really positive things. I mean, and I guess to me, we don't talk enough. We talk so much about the negativity of social media and how toxic and bad it is. It's just and I'm trying to curate my own feed more with stuff like this. And so it's just cool to see somebody with that big of a platform who's going around. Because what I don't like, because there's also a trend of going and handing money out.

42:45Sal Di Stefano:Look what I'm doing. Yeah, look what I'm doing to get likes and attention. Then there's somebody like this.

42:50Adam Schafer:He does it and then he gets a GoFundMe to help. And I mean, he got - The one you sent me was the one - He goes over and beyond though.

42:56Sal Di Stefano:He got a woman and two kids, homeless, living on the street. $750 ,000. From the Gulf of I mean, from all the people. And then somebody else donated a car. They got her 10 jobs. They got her daycare. I mean, just radically changed that woman's life. Oh, just. They were so grateful. It was powerful. She was so grateful.

43:17Adam Schafer:The kids were so like, it was so great.

43:20Sal Di Stefano:Was it MD Motivator, Doug? Did you look it up? You sent it to me.

43:25Adam Schafer:I could find it.

43:26Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, yeah. I want to give him a shout out on the page. Not like he needs any more people following. He's got a ton, but I mean, it's still any love we can give. I mean, it got me. I donate money.

43:36Justin Andrews:Yeah, so Zachary Darrenowski, MD Motivator. MD Motivator, right?

43:40Sal Di Stefano:So MD Motivator on Instagram. If you haven't watched some of his story, at all times it looks like he's got two or three crowdsourcing things going on. And from what I saw, I've only been paying attention for a while, he's hit every goal he sets. and he's so yeah and the goal is based off of the person's needs and how that how he can help and

44:00Justin Andrews:support i just think that's all he gets through all the red tape and just it's like direct yeah

44:06Adam Schafer:i gotta tell you guys about a little like a negative uh for one of our partners element oh yeah dude so negative well it's a personal one right so i'm at home it's over the weekend And so not here. And I'm like, my wife's like tired. She's not feeling good. And I'm like, are you drinking? She's dehydrated. I can tell. Like, are you drinking any water? No, no. I'm like, drink some water. She's like, no, we ran out of Element. I'm like, honey, you got to be able to drink water that's not flavored. That's the only way she'll drink it. She doesn't drink. Only if it's got some kind of flavor in it.

44:41Adam Schafer:And so it's Element. So it's got no calories in it and all that. She loves it. But I'm like, babe, you got to learn how to drink water too. Did you see that? She literally doesn't drink water.

44:49Sal Di Stefano:They just had a new release. I don't know if we're allowed to talk about it, but I'm going to try this. I had to go buy some at the store. That's crazy. They have half the can size now, and then they have two new flavors that I saw. I saw a lemonade flavor, and I saw a pineapple flavor. I can't wait to try a pineapple flavor. Yeah, pineapple sounds like it. I think she drinks like three or four a day.

45:07Adam Schafer:I feel so good when I drink those. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

45:09Sal Di Stefano:And again, I've said it a bunch of times, but the move is warm over a tall glass of ice. Yeah, you pour it over the ice. Full glass of ice all the way to the rim, pour a warm one over it. And warm works better because it's warm enough to kind of melt the ice and it gives you a nice little blend. And it takes the – because some people, like, if you're not used to taking an electrolyte, the salt and the salt content – It's very pronounced at first. And so, I mean, I like that, but not everybody – I was at the warm people, yeah. So the move is, I think, to put it over ice like that, and I think that it just – You diluted it.

45:45Sal Di Stefano:We gave some to our friend.

45:46Adam Schafer:And she's about to have a baby in a few weeks. And she was having trouble because just the way she was feeling. And then Element made a huge difference. Katrina used it when she was breastfeeding. It made a big difference. With milk production. Yeah. Huge difference. That's awesome.

46:02Justin Andrews:I ran across this article from Forbes. And it was talking about all the billionaires that have died this year. Oh, I saw you share that. 31? I was just astonished by that. because first of all, there's not a lot of billionaires, right? Like, I mean, there can't be, I mean, you could probably count in the maybe hundreds, I would assume.

46:24Sal Di Stefano:That's a good question. I don't know how many, but it just seems like a small population of people to begin with. We do have a lot more billionaires than we used to now. Well, now, yeah. I believe COVID made a bunch. Yeah. I believe, I think -

46:36Adam Schafer:You know how big the wealth transfer was?

46:38Sal Di Stefano:Oh, yes. Well, that was the largest - So many small businesses. That was the largest wealth transfer in history happened during COVID. So, which, I think you went that direction. So curious to what everybody thinks is going. You saw the Fed. Did you see the Fed drop? Lowered rates again. They came out also and said they're going to lower two more times by end of year. Wow. So, now we're not going to see, I don't think we're going to see three and a half interest rates like we did before. In fact, a lot of the economists came out and said, like, we would have to go into a massive recession for them to do that again.

47:09Sal Di Stefano:But they'll also buy it. And that's how they'll keep us from going. This is why I believe in the next two, three years, we're going to see another run again is because I don't think they're going to let. What did it say? Here's the billionaires that died. Yeah, there's 31 and the average age was 85.

47:24Justin Andrews:Okay. Okay.

47:26Sal Di Stefano:How many billionaires are in the world? Yeah. I wanted to see that. You guys want to guess?

47:31Adam Schafer:Do you think it's over 1 ,000?

47:34Sal Di Stefano:Yes. Yeah. If I had to guess. Under 5 ,000? Like digitally. 3 ,400 is my guess. You probably already know. I don't know. I don't. I swear to God. I swear to God. I just saw Justin. No, I don't even know.

47:46Adam Schafer:I could be way off. I'm just guessing. I would say, I think it's under 5 ,000. So I would agree. How many?

47:53Justin Andrews:3 ,028. I swear to God.

47:58Sal Di Stefano:I'm sure I've found its way there somewhere. I mean, you're in my content wheelhouse here. So I definitely probably have read it before. What? It was higher than I thought. I thought, like you, I thought there was less billionaires. and then I remember seeing it going like, oh, there's a lot more than I thought. Doug, what are the odds? There's still 31 out of like 3 ,000. That's crazy. It's 10%, right? Is that 10 %? Is that right? Is that right? Is that 1 %? Of the world? 1%. 1%. So 1 % of the world. So hold on.

48:22Adam Schafer:So if you could squat over 400 pounds, it's more rare to squat over 400 pounds than to become a billionaire? Is that correct? Compare the two.

48:32Sal Di Stefano:No, there's more people that can squat over 400 pounds. Than billionaires? I think so. Well, is there more? Yeah, than over 3 ,000 people? 3 ,000 people? Yeah, definitely. You think so? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

48:42Adam Schafer:So America has 614 billionaires. 614. China has 388. Okay. Wow. That's crazy. In some countries, it's like 30. That's the most. Yeah. That's wild. So China and the US have the most billionaires. Who's third? Looks like the UK. Third is 107 right there.

48:59Sal Di Stefano:What is that, UK? Germany. Germany? Germany, yeah. Yeah, Germany with 107. Wow. Oh, wait, no. Asia altogether is 799.

49:07Justin Andrews:Because India is 102. UAE would have a lot of those.

49:11Sal Di Stefano:Oh, yeah. Where's UAE? I can't see it.

49:13Justin Andrews:I'm looking. I can't see it here either. That's a good point, Doug.

49:16Sal Di Stefano:I would actually think there would be a lot more over there. They probably have a lot of - Four, according to this.

49:20Justin Andrews:They probably have a lot of centimillionaires.

49:22Adam Schafer:Yeah. Do they even report a lot of these oil gajillionaires? I don't know. If I'm not mistaken, I think if the new deal - Wasn't there supposed to be some new deal that was going to happen with Tesla that it would give - I think Elon, his wealth would exceed a trillion? He's already over a trillion. He's not a trillion.

49:42Sal Di Stefano:Yes, he is. Elon and Bezos are over a trillion. No, they're not. Yes, they are. Look. No way. Yes, they are. I don't think anybody's a trillionaire. No, yes, sir. Yes, sir. Pretty sure that. You knew Apple crossed that. Pretty sure both of them are a company, but I don't know about a person.

49:57Justin Andrews:According to this,$480 billion. There you go. Bezos is$243 billion.

50:02Adam Schafer:I told you. Nobody's been a trillionaire yet. I could have sworn he was on.

50:06Justin Andrews:Well, that we know of. Yeah, the unreported.

50:08Sal Di Stefano:I mean, a lot of that, by the way, too, is like, you know, it's interesting. It's not money. It's not. Of course not. It's valued out. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That can be, that's a, by the way, I mean, he's still got Ubers, Ubers of revenue. But there's a huge difference. This was, I remember telling you guys how fascinated I was being around the startup world and the way people talk about money. It's like, oh, yeah, our company's valued at, you know,$170 million. And it's like. But they're not making any money. Yeah, but you cash flow only this much. You just started. You know, I mean, I was not aware of that.

50:45Sal Di Stefano:And so I'm less impressed with those inflated numbers than finding out what somebody actually cash flows. They actually have it in the bank. Yeah, yeah, there's a big difference.

50:54Adam Schafer:What's crazy, it's interesting when you look at markets and how fast they move these days and change. And I was thinking about just our space, right? Fitness, nutrition. I remember it wasn't that long ago that just organic, for example, was hard to find. You guys remember that? Oh, yeah. Anything organic, you had to go - You used to go to a special grocery store. Grocery market. Where every grocery store has it now. Now, Costco, it's like a major segment in every grocery store. Even at Walmart. Grass-fed meat is another one. Grass-fed meat used to be the standard. Then it became, everything was with grain.

51:30Adam Schafer:And it was hard to find grass-fed meat. Now grass-fed meat is such a big market. Like ButcherBox, since we started working them, has exploded.

51:38Sal Di Stefano:Oh, I mean, they've exploded so much that there's other people. The competitors market to them, because it used to be like they were it. There wasn't a lot of people that were even doing that, that were shipping like countrywide, like where now you're seeing competitors pop up left and right. I mean, obviously the market's speaking up, you know, that that's what people want. Now the big thing to ask though is like, is this stuff really true grass-fed? because it's become so popular in the market, then you're going to have all the grifters too that find loopholes to get grass-fed certified. Feed them just in that window.

52:12Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. ButcherBox does a really good job. Well, yeah, they're grass-fed, grass-finished.

52:16Adam Schafer:They go and they really make sure the people they work with are legit. And you can tell. You can tell. You get a tri-tip from ButcherBox. You get a tri-tip from the store. Yeah, and these regenerative type farms. And I eat – how much beef do you guys eat on a daily basis, would you say? Because you guys all eat a lot of beef too. Pound.

52:31Justin Andrews:Three pounds. Me too. Same thing.

52:33Adam Schafer:If I go, I notice a difference in inflammation and just overall energy. Yeah. When you're at that high of volume, it makes a difference. It makes a huge difference. It's the fatty acid profile for sure. I'm just more inflamed if I eat just traditional beef versus grass fed. So it makes it, you know, like I said, I notice a pretty big difference. Yeah, I agree. Luminose by Interra has skincare products powered by peptides. These are high amounts of these peptides like GHKCU. In fact, GHKCU has incredible effects on the skin, and you won't find this concentration anywhere else. Only Luminose by Interra has it.

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53:24Justin Andrews:Our first caller is Dominic from New Jersey. Dominic, what's going on? What's happening? Hey, guys. How are you? Good.

53:31Adam Schafer:How can I help you?

53:32Justin Andrews:Yeah, big fan. Thanks for having me on. So I wanted to pick your brain a little bit about helping people that are new to fitness and a fitness routine with the growing pains of grip strength being the limiting factor when they're doing different exercises like squats and hinges and things like that.

53:51Adam Schafer:Okay, so this question's about grip strength?

53:54Justin Andrews:Grip strength, yes. I've tried, you know, currently I have in my programs different carry variations. I have one of the grip testing machines so they can track progression as they go. Just wanted to see if you guys had any suggestions on how to help develop grip strength a little bit.

54:13Adam Schafer:How long have you been focusing on grip strength?

54:17Justin Andrews:I've recently opened a new business about, it's been eight months now, and we have a large influx of new people to fitness. So I've been coming across that hurdle more frequently. So now it's very consistent in every single workout, every single program I try to throw in some type of grip strength developing exercise.

54:38Adam Schafer:Oh, I see. It's for your clients. I'm sorry. I misunderstood. Okay. Okay. So there's a couple, a couple, a couple of ways you could look at this. Okay. I'll reposition the question. Cause I think when we say the grip is limiting me, we somehow view the grip as something different than let's say my low back is limiting me or my hip flexor is limiting me and this is because of the influence of bodybuilding so bodybuilding has made the conversation around the grip as if it's not part of the kinetic chain you just take the grip out of it use wrist wraps and now you're all good so let me rephrase the question somebody's trying to do squats with you you're training them their low back doesn't allow them to go heavier because they lack stability.

55:21Adam Schafer:Well, what do you do? Do you go heavier? No, that's the weight. That's the weight you can use.

55:28Justin Andrews:That's the limiting factor.

55:29Adam Schafer:That's it, right? So if you're training clients and their grip is given out, well, that's the weight that they can use. And slowly over time, the grip comes up. There's a tremendous potential for strength in the grip. You can see rock climbers, for example, or athletes that don't use AIDS. with their, their hands are incredibly incredible. And I think at the, at the top, top, top, top level of strength athletes where they're allowed to use things like wrist straps, like, uh, you know, I don't know who it was that just deadlifted a thousand pounds or whatever. Was it half four?

56:01Justin Andrews:Yeah.

56:01Adam Schafer:Uh, like that's, he's doing a specific lift that's allowing wrist straps, but for the average person, if they can't hold the weight, then the, the, the, the weight that they're using is, is that's the weight. That's the way we're going to work with.

56:13Sal Di Stefano:Also consider this, right? So we've done whole episodes on how to improve grip strength and there's specific exercises and techniques and things you can do. But it's like if I'm a trainer and I have clients that are limited by that and I'm also only getting to see them once to three times a week, I'm probably not taking a lot of my time up with them doing a lot of grip strength exercises. Unless they have a very specific goal, they're rock climbers or their job requires it. That's a different situation. But the average person, if they're just limited by going up in deadlifts because their grip strength, that's the weight they're going to be at.

56:44Sal Di Stefano:And I'm going to choose other exercises and movements that are bigger bangs for their buck for the average person. Just because their grip strength is down, I wouldn't take one of the three days they lift with me. And it's like, we're going to focus all on grip strength because that's a limiting factor in your deadlift. It's like, yeah, but now I'm taking away from other things that are going to give them way more return in the longevity, body fat, all other things pursuit. And so as a coach and trainer, gym owner, you have to juggle that. It's like, yeah, you may have in your tool belt some other exercises they can do to build grip strength.

57:15Sal Di Stefano:But it's like, so what are you going to drop out? Are you going to drop out another exercise that is far more beneficial for them just so you can get 10 more pounds on their deadlift? Yeah, that's not worth the training.

57:25Adam Schafer:I mean, that's a good point, you know, because I rarely ever did grips-specific strength training for my clients.

57:30Justin Andrews:I mean, you're doing carries, which I think there's a lot of value to that. And really, it's about exposure. And it's like frequency of, you know, just holding weights. uh in general and then the variation of the different handle grips and you know the crush the pinch like i mean you can get creative with all that but really it's just like grabbing weights and holding them for a bit so it's you know over time their grip is naturally going to get

57:53Adam Schafer:stronger as a result of that exposure that's right yeah if i'm working with a general pop client and we're doing deadlifts and their grip doesn't allow them to go heavier that's the weight that we're using and over time the grip gets stronger and it does uh it i mean you have to follow the the limitations of the body when you're talking general pop. Now, if somebody is going to be training for a specific goal, like bodybuilding, they're extreme high level, crazy volume, or they're going to compete in an event that allows them to use wrist wraps, that's a different conversation. But general pop, it's like, and it really only limits you on mainly deadlifts, maybe some pulling movements, but then that's the limiting factor.

58:32Adam Schafer:And it catches up very quickly. It does, yeah. It catches up very, very quickly.

58:37Justin Andrews:Yeah, it's just members have had some frustrations to feel like they can lift more than what they can hold on to. But I'll reword how I'm responding to them.

58:47Adam Schafer:If someone says to you, I feel like I can lift more, but I can't hold on to it, then your response is, that's how much you can lift. That's part of the process. Use another part of the body. I feel like I can lift more, but my low back hurts. Well, that's how much weight you can lift. It's the same thing. Yeah. Yeah.

59:05Justin Andrews:Yeah. I run to the issue. I have people that work, you know, your typical office worker, right. And they have carpal tunnel symptoms and things along those lines and same idea. It's the limiting factors, just holding the weights in their hands. So just trying to find different creative ways to, to reword those complications, the barriers that they're experiencing. I try to disguise it.

59:29Adam Schafer:If you don't mind me just commenting on that carpal tunnel, wrist mobility, myofascial release of the forearm flexors and extenders, and then myofascial release up here in the traps, galenes, neck area. That's like a fix almost every single time. So I would work on articulation. We would do a little bit of strengthening, and then I'd do like real deep myofascial release on the forearms and up on the neck, and it would like solve it. Yeah. Okay.

59:57Justin Andrews:Just like hand massaging on the forearms? That's right. Yeah, yeah.

1:00:01Sal Di Stefano:No, that's it. Deep pressure, almost like using a foam roller. La cross ball is good for this.

1:00:06Justin Andrews:Yeah, I add a la cross ball for the traps up top. But for the forearm, I've never used them before.

1:00:13Adam Schafer:You don't have to, but it's similar in the sense that you're adding pressure. So what you're pressing at is... Roll it into the wall. That's right. You're pressing where the insertion is near the elbow. So I would stretch the extender here. I'm going to be pressing on the brachioradialis muscle while it's stretched. And we're going to press on it, work on it. Remember that company?

1:00:32Sal Di Stefano:There's a really cool – if you have a lot of clients that have this, then it may be worth a worthwhile investment for your gym. It's not that expensive. There's like a tool. I forget the – remember the – we had them. We used to have them. You put your arm in it? Yeah, we put your arm in it. It's a big plastic thing. And it had the ball and the pressure. You guys remember those? Yes. I do. We – someone – Oh, we had a door frame. The clamp on it. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I've seen those before. Yeah, yeah. So, I mean, that's – and I think they're relatively inexpensive. And if you have that many clients that are needing it, uh, they, that way they could do it to themselves.

1:01:01Sal Di Stefano:Obviously, if you're going around massaging every single one of your clients, you're going to be exhausted from that. And that's not realistic. And so having a tool that they can access and then giving the advice that Sal just did is like, here's your, uh, wrist cars that you do to warm up. Here's your self-myofascial release ball, ball technique thing. And then like, that's your routine. That's what you do before we get started. Like that's just becomes the, their warmup that they can do on their own time, teach it one time. And then that's, that's what they do.

1:01:26Justin Andrews:Got it. Understood. Thank you. Really appreciate it.

1:01:28Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

1:01:28Adam Schafer:Thanks for calling in, man.

1:01:30Justin Andrews:Yeah. Big fan.

1:01:31Adam Schafer:Thanks again. I appreciate it. In my personal experience, my success rate with Carpool Tunnel was 100%. I actually never had a client who suffered from it that we didn't make it considerably better. You know, this question

1:01:46Sal Di Stefano:brought something up for me that had been on my mind several times and I'd never really addressed it on the show. Because we've done a lot. One of your more viral videos was a forum thing. We've done episodes dedicated to former forearm strength and we give all this great tips and advice. But the reality is when I was training clients, very rarely ever did I really focus that much on that. Because when I'm training the average person who doesn't have a very specific goal related to forearms, all that forearm training replaces something else. And so it's like – Or it's just too much. Yeah. Or it's just too much.

1:02:20Sal Di Stefano:Either you pile it on what you're already training or you take away from things that are just far more valuable. And I know that if my client just keeps doing deadlifts and keeps doing shoulder presses and keeps doing farmer walks, the grip strength will eventually catch up. 100%.

1:02:35Adam Schafer:The people that have gained value out of grip training and strength training are typically advanced. And in the subcategory are people who have avoided strengthening their grip for years. And now they're like, I could deadlift 500 pounds, but I can't hold on to it without wrist straps. What do I do?

1:02:52Sal Di Stefano:Or maybe somebody who has a very specific goal or job that requires that. Because then that becomes a different type of client and different type of priority.

1:02:59Justin Andrews:They're already strong in their grip and they're trying to improve it more. Then we pursue specific. Because they have.

1:03:05Sal Di Stefano:So like when we do episodes like that, we're kind of speaking to that small minority of people. I really wouldn't recommend like full on forearm training for one of your three days in the gym working out. It's just like, it's going to impede on the whole rest of the body. Yeah, exactly. It's not going to, all the other things for the general pop will, will give you way more bang for your buck than, you know, a whole session of forum training.

1:03:27Adam Schafer:Yeah. Back to the carpal tunnel. Sometimes no joke, man, when they would get work on up here in the neck area, scalenes attract like that would solve the issue. Yeah. It's great. Yeah. It's all connected.

1:03:37Justin Andrews:our next caller is remy from washington how's it going remy what's happening hey how you guys doing good how can we help you oh basically um well first like everyone else love your guys's content um i've gotten a lot of good info from it and passed it on to other people and also passed your podcast on to other people um thanks basically i've been working out for about 15 years, five to six days a week. Um, always do the bodybuilder bro split. Um, starting to get bored doing it. So I was hoping you guys could point me in the direction of something that would challenge me and still be fun for me to do.

1:04:22Justin Andrews:Um, I'm five, seven, about one 85, about 10 % body fat. I'm a tile contractor. So I am lifting consistently throughout the day as well so um yeah that's about it for me uh i was hoping i could get how open to doing something

1:04:42Sal Di Stefano:really unique right because normally if you're into the bodybuilding split you're very much so into focusing on aesthetics with somebody with this all right yeah we don't want to stray too far away how far away from what you're seeing i was thinking the exact same thing i was like i know what i want to say right away but let me make sure i don't go too far you preface this

1:04:58Adam Schafer:yeah how far away from what you're used to are you willing to go uh well i was i just went to a crossfit class to try that so pretty far whoa yeah okay yeah well i mean there's two places we can go i'm thinking either map strong or maps uh old time old time old time it would be cool old times very different you're going to be following a routine like the bodybuilders of the turn of the

1:05:21Justin Andrews:century so those are the two that i was kind of thinking about uh just without a program at first I've been looking at powerlifting stuff. So those two, I think, would kind of fit where I'm thinking.

1:05:32Adam Schafer:Well, powerlifting is very specific. And if you like powerlifting, that's great. I think powerlifting, yeah. If you like squat, deadlift, and bench, if you've never really focused on getting those weights up. And still get a lot of aesthetic benefit, too.

1:05:43Sal Di Stefano:I like powerlifting. That's a happy medium. Perfect world, we go powerlifting. And then if you enjoy that and have fun with that, then move with a strong or old time. That would be the nice next six months for you of training. Okay. I'm on a bulk right now. Oh, yeah. Bulk on Powerlift right now would be amazing. We'll send it to you. We'll send Powerlift to you right now.

1:06:01Justin Andrews:Okay.

1:06:02Sal Di Stefano:Follow that on your bulk.

1:06:03Justin Andrews:And then purchase Strong.

1:06:05Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, either Strong or Old Timey. Either one of those two. And then if you're really down, go run all three of those in a row like that. Those would be a beautiful Powerlift, Strong, Old Timey. You're going to look jacked. You're going to be strong. And you're going to feel amazing, especially after Old Timey.

1:06:20Justin Andrews:Okay. Thank you for that. Can I ask two more quick questions? Sure. Um, I'm on TRT right now through a clinic and they have me prescribed anastrozole and I take 0.5 milligram a week. I've kind of read things about that being not as good for you and you shouldn't be on it consistently. Yeah.

1:06:43Adam Schafer:I mean, that's a question. That's a question for your doctor. Uh, but, um, I can tell you what, uh, some of our doctor friends have told us and, uh, What they've said is unless you have side effects of too much estrogen from your TRT, that you stay off of it.

1:07:00Justin Andrews:So unless you're noticing side effects is what they would say.

1:07:03Sal Di Stefano:So just so you know, I struggled with this a lot because I was really sensitive to gynecomastia. And I had to take it for a really long time. What got it under control, and I haven't taken it now in I think a year and a half, almost two years. And I was taking it on a semi-regular basis. You stopped watching Hallmark movies? Yeah, I stopped. Really, it was just the right schedule of dosing was what it was. Admittedly, I was inconsistent with my shots and time and everything, and it made a world of a difference to be like, and mine ended up being every five days. Every five days and first thing in the morning at the same time, when I really disciplined myself to get really consistent with that, it started to level that out really nicely for me.

1:07:50Justin Andrews:so that i'm pretty uh consistent i do what 100 100 milligrams tuesday morning and friday morning okay so i'm pretty consistent with it i know when i start when i went to the clinic and got on it they didn't they just put me on anastrozole oh you had no side effects none get off that

1:08:13Sal Di Stefano:tell your doctor first we're not doctors i can't tell you that yeah if i was you i would get off that that's what hypothetically let me say let me say it better if it was me i would i would drop it for the reasons you have concerns if you notice side effects and talk to them about it okay yeah

1:08:29Justin Andrews:that's what i've heard a few people telling me and using chat gpt and all that stuff now is kind of pointing me in that direction not to pop it like candy that's right yeah yeah yeah especially side effects okay well then i'll talk to my doctor about that and then the second one i have is my mom is wanting to get it wanting to get healthier she's overweight she's 68 i believe um i've had her come to the gym with me a few times and like just focus on like big compound lifts just even right now i was practicing with her just getting range of motion on body weight squats and she has to like hold on to a wall to do them that's good what should i just continue with that just trying to have her get her steps in and that's really good that's really good let me ask you uh so she's

1:09:17Adam Schafer:not she didn't work out before right this is new to no never here's what you could do uh because the most important thing when you're training somebody who's brand new the most important thing is to help them develop a relationship with fitness where they enjoy it the second

1:09:31Justin Andrews:most important thing is that they do it right but the relationship part is first so what i would

1:09:35Adam Schafer:recommend is that you go to your mom's house and you take her through three or four exercises twice

1:09:41Sal Di Stefano:a week i'm gonna have doug also give him map starter there you go give him map starter and pull from there there's great movements for her to incorporate and not to cut sal off like i did but that's the perfect advice is take from that program a couple exercises and you can do them at home you just prepare dumbbells and a physio ball yes and it's less about following the routine to a tee it's like introducing it a few of those to her you if you get her walking more that's it doing body weight squats doing a couple of those exercises consistently during the week you're

1:10:10Adam Schafer:winning bro and then you wait for her to tell you i want to do more yes yes and then you add a little

1:10:15Justin Andrews:more okay i will uh continue to do that with her it's hard the hard part is getting her like i i have such a wonky schedule that meeting me at the gym is kind of hard for her to do but i never thought about just grabbing a pair of dumbbells and bringing it to her that's it

1:10:30Adam Schafer:She probably wants to spend time with you anyway and she'll develop this great relationship with it.

1:10:35Sal Di Stefano:And I'm giving you a map starter so when you're not available, she can watch the videos. There's a follow-along routine on there. She can literally put it up on her TV and follow it along in her living room.

1:10:45Justin Andrews:Okay. Thanks for that. To clarify, I should start with Power Lift, then do Strong, then Old Timey?

1:10:53Adam Schafer:No, that's a good order. That's a perfect order.

1:10:55Justin Andrews:Okay, cool. I think that's all of my questions. I'll talk to my doctor about the anastrozole and kind of go from there.

1:11:02Sal Di Stefano:All right, man. Awesome, dude. Thanks for calling. All right,

1:11:04Justin Andrews:cool.

1:11:05Sal Di Stefano:All right, Remy. All right. Thank you guys. Yep. I had to stop you there. I know. No, no, no, You're right. I'm glad you checked that. Cause that's just my knee jerk reaction. No bro. Get off. What are you doing? Sorry.

1:11:17Justin Andrews:There's something you could have done. That's hard. Cause it's like, you're talking to a friend. You know,

1:11:23Adam Schafer:generally speaking, we're not, okay. We're not doctors, but generally speaking, that medication has some pretty nasty potential long term effects and so unless it's needed for side effects most forward thinking doctors have told us I had side effects

1:11:39Sal Di Stefano:I went down the same rabbit hole I started googling all the bad side effects from him like oh my god and then I remember talking to one of the doctors you really should limit it or not take it if you don't need it and so I really worked on getting my dosing right and that started to keep the symptoms down. And as soon as I kept the symptoms down, and I haven't used that in probably a year, year and a half now.

1:12:03Adam Schafer:And higher estrogen, if your testosterone is higher, is okay. It's the ratio. There's a ratio that's important. It can get out of hand. But what you don't want to do is crush estrogen. That'll kill you. That'll feel like dog crap. You can have high testosterone, no estrogen, and feel like you have no testosterone. Our next caller is Joe from Utah. Joe, what's up? Hey, man.

1:12:21Sal Di Stefano:What's up, Joe?

1:12:22Justin Andrews:Hey, guys. Thanks for having me.

1:12:24Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. Yeah, give us the update. Yeah, let's see the update.

1:12:27Justin Andrews:Awesome. Yeah, so about a year and a half ago, I called in after breaking up with an online coach. He had me down about 2 ,100, 2 ,300 calories. And you guys suggested MAPS, anabolic, and a reverse diet. And so I ran with that. And I'd love your feedback. Just what went well, what I did wrong, I guess, and what I could do better moving forward. Okay. So condensed version of the last year and a half. Finished anabolic, ended up gaining 10 pounds of dropping body fat slightly down to 19%. Added about five to seven pounds of muscle from an in-body scan. Some of that's probably lost from the coach or gained back from working with the coach.

1:13:08Justin Andrews:But I also added an inch on my waist. I started old time, went too fast on the reverse diet still, added another inch to my waist, but got calories up to 3 ,800. Wow. um injured my low back playing a pickup game rehabbed with maps 15 style for a couple months and then worked back to full training started symmetry to focus on my low back and hips i've had issues with them for a while not just that recent injury sorry um and then i tried to push 4 000 calories but it was hard to eat that much i gained a lot of fat really fast gained another inch on my waist um i did have some poor sleep and i was sick a couple times during that time So that might have been a factor.

1:13:48Justin Andrews:So I freaked out, went down to 2 ,500 calories for a few weeks, lost that inch, but then plateaued, reversed out of that, finished symmetry, did performance and started old time again. And this time I reversed back up to 3 ,900 calories, gained 10 pounds, but only a half inch on my waist this time and consistently got stronger through those three programs. I just tried a 2 ,800 calorie cut for four weeks, lost zero inches, but an in-body scan said I lost three pounds of muscle and three pounds of fat and went up in body fat. And then the last two weeks to bring us home, I've been frustrated. I haven't been as dialed, so I've fluctuated eating around 25 to 3 ,400 calories.

1:14:34Justin Andrews:And I know I've had a few low-protein days, but I've actually lost two more pounds, and my waist finally moved for a quarter inch. So right now I'm sitting at 255, 6 '4", 35 years old, data three, going through an adoption. So actually four soon. We're excited about that. Great. Yeah, thank you. Sleep is decent, probably about seven and a half hours a night. I just did some blood work, which wasn't great. Really high cholesterol, low HDL, borderline high A1C, and then lower testosterone. I'm stronger and more mobile. I can get into a full squat now than I was last year, but I am up to the 24 % body fat, which I sort of cringe at.

1:15:18Justin Andrews:I feel like I sort of just adapt to the calories. I end up the same version of me, right? Higher or lower. So I'd love to accomplish some goals and actually see some progress in the mirror. So I listed out some priorities for you of where I'm at and I'd like to get you guys' thoughts. So number one is just get pain-free. My low back and hips, I'm extension sensitive. Sometimes the pain's on the spine. Sometimes it's on the QL. Sometimes it's on hip. I know I've got some discrepancies with my left side, which we can go into if you want. But that's what drove the last three programs of old-time performance and symmetry.

1:15:59Justin Andrews:Number two is drop down to 15 % body fat just for health, performance, the testosterone, snoring, anesthetics. I'm just sort of sick of having the extra belly fat around. Three, raise testosterone. The recent test was 364. 12 years ago, I'd actually done a test because I felt low then, and I was at 694. So definitely not optimized there. Not open to HRT right now, but definitely wanting to figure something out there. Fourth would be strength, just because of the injuries. I've never really been able to push that. I feel like there's a lot left on the table there. Aesthetically, shoulders, abs, upper chest, arms, just all the beach muscles, I guess, all need some help.

1:16:45Justin Andrews:Eventually, I'd like to reach 10 % to 12 % body fat. And then lastly, I'd love to be able to just play a pickup basketball game and dunk again.

1:16:56Sal Di Stefano:Hey, Joe, is there any – You want to put a Ferrari in there? Yeah, it's a surprise. Is there any – I want all the kids and I want to eat all of it too. Do you want a robot? Is there anything we missed?

1:17:04Adam Schafer:Is there anything we missed? Hey, you got to take your foot off the gas, Joe. Yeah.

1:17:10Sal Di Stefano:By the way, like even what you want, it's like so obvious to – you didn't do bad, by the way. You did pretty good. You're definitely like all full throttle or not guy, though. You could tell. You could very – if you would have just kind of eased into the reverse diet a little more, you probably wouldn't have put on as much body fat along the way.

1:17:30Adam Schafer:Yeah, you got to take your foot off the gas, buddy. Yeah, yeah. So it's like, and I'm interested to know what you're eating in this reverse diet because of your HDL, A1C, and blood lipids. Like, how are you reverse dieting? What are you eating in that?

1:17:45Justin Andrews:I would say I'm 70 % clean, 30 % not. I don't eat out a lot, but biggest weakness, I think you guys just did an episode on this, was like probably like the treats and snacks that are mostly hanging around the office. It all fits quote unquote macros, right? but there's the problem with that.

1:18:03Adam Schafer:I knew it. I knew it. I knew you were doing the whole calories and macros thing. What you're eating makes a difference with all of this. So I would stay away from that. That 30%, it's probably more than that, but fine, 30%, still a lot. We got to get your blood lipids looking better and take your foot off the gas. I would live in symmetry for a while. In fact, I would avoid the last phase probably the first two times you run it. I even like MAPS-15.

1:18:28Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, MAPS-15 would even be good. I just think that and lay off the hardcore bulk. Eat when you're hungry, but eat whole foods. When you're hungry, feed the system. Don't try and restrict, but eat whole foods. Eat your protein first. Clean the diet up. And I think if you just fed yourself when you were hungry and make sure you hit your protein intake, eat as much as you want so long as it's whole foods. Grab all that for work, yeah. And you train MAPS 15, you're going to get a lot of those goals. Then we can focus on the basketball and Spartan stuff after we kind of get all this other shit in check.

1:19:03Justin Andrews:Yeah, that's the lowest one.

1:19:05Adam Schafer:Okay, you got three kids too you're about to adopt. That's a big deal. What do you do for work?

1:19:12Justin Andrews:What's that?

1:19:12Adam Schafer:What do you do for work?

1:19:15Justin Andrews:Desk job.

1:19:16Adam Schafer:Okay, and you work a lot of hours?

1:19:19Justin Andrews:Not too bad. That's a pretty flexible there. It's a good company. So stress is there. It's in the construction industry, So there's the market fluctuations and different things, you know, pivoting, trying to make things work. But it's stress on that's moderate, not too bad.

1:19:38Adam Schafer:Well, having three kids alone and then adopting is a lot. It's a lot to put on, especially as a man. You're supporting your family. You're thinking about all that. You got to take your foot off the gas, dude. And I would eat more into maintenance, just like what Adam said. Yeah. It's probably going to land around 3 ,000 calories. and then you're just going to work out in symmetry and kind of stay or maps 15 i think either program would be great and just kind of stay there in fact the only macro i want you to

1:20:03Sal Di Stefano:track is protein just track your protein just make sure you get you've already mentioned that you know you've been times where you miss so it sounds like that's a that that and i know a bigger guy it's hard to hit that much protein unless you're paying attention so watch watch protein hit hit those targets the rest of the shit make good food choices okay i'm so a little

1:20:22Justin Andrews:day for me is about 180 um good average day is probably 200 but it's hard to get past that without like two shakes or something what should i be shooting for 200 is good i would go i would

1:20:34Adam Schafer:you know and if you're hungry and like adam said you want to reach for those snacks go eat something with protein in it yeah you know eat a meal yeah uh eat the protein first uh that'll take care of quite a bit yes i also would suggest you can supplement with high epa uh fish oil so high i started that in the last like month good you could also look at red yeast rice extract uh that sometimes helps with uh blood lipids it's a natural statin so it's not like a like a pharmaceutical statin it's a natural one uh and you could you could try that as well and that should help as

1:21:10Sal Di Stefano:well but i think as he brings down body fat he's gonna he's gonna totally and then just just take

1:21:13Adam Schafer:your foot off the gas dude and just kind of just let your body kind of sit in that maintenance and what'll happen you'll get you'll slowly get leaner slowly build muscle and you're not gonna do these

1:21:22Sal Di Stefano:wild swings yeah yeah okay awesome i love it yeah i'd love to hear back from you too i think i think this is a new cool journey for you so you're an all or nothing guy aren't you usually yeah it'll be so good for you bro to just eat when you're hungry make whole food choices hit your

1:21:42Adam Schafer:protein intake math 15 your body will slowly slowly change rather than doing these ups and downs that you're going through and then so let's get you feeling really good and then we can talk

1:21:51Sal Di Stefano:about like throwing in some athletic training and all that good stuff later on yeah yeah okay all right yeah all right awesome all right john take care it's so funny when you asked him about his

1:22:05Justin Andrews:job i was convinced he's gonna be i'm in the import export business yeah it's like that job

1:22:11Adam Schafer:yeah there's a lot just uh it's just you could tell with this his reverse his cut is i'm this and that it's like extreme oh wait he goes all and by the way 70 clean 30 not clean that's a lot that's a lot of not clean if he's being active typically it's more if someone says 30 it's more like 40 yeah yeah um and you know the whole like cheat like i'm gonna make it fit my macros like

1:22:33Sal Di Stefano:that's that doesn't work that way well yeah it's seen this is a classic i'm guilty of this i think a lot of people have like i'm on the bulk so this excuses all the all the other stuff where it's like you know what we don't it goes too far yeah let's get away from this macro chasing bulk stuff like eat when you're hungry bro eat eat the protein first try and try and eat really clean

1:22:51Adam Schafer:and good and watch what happens and i don't even ask him the age of his kids but you know you have three little kids that's a lot to manage it's a lot to man then you're adding adoption adoption

1:22:59Justin Andrews:is a big deal that's a there's a lot there our next caller is david from australia david what's going on hey david how you going gentlemen how are you good how come on man awesome awesome awesome thanks for having me on i'm a long time listener i appreciate the opportunity awesome so i'll jump in straight into i've got a long question i'll jump in straight into the context of the injury part and we'll get going so i'm 26 now but this is all started at the age of 21 after a few years of intense power lifting particularly bench pressing and heavy upper body work i made great progress but eventually developed serious dysfunction on my left side mainly it feels like the entire left shoulder complex neck traps um lats pec my rhomboids all knotted up and stretched and tight um it feels like everything's locked down and depressed so basically it just feels like my left side's unresponsive my right side too there's this there's right pain that shoots in my in my shoulders both sides but my left side's really the main side that um there's really like a loss of feeling and a lot of muscle atrophy.

1:24:02Justin Andrews:So recently I've started David Gray's Upper Body Basics program with a big focus on breathing, which are protracture and psoriasis anterior work. But yeah, so at the moment, some recent context, I've stopped doing that program. Why? Because I finally got my stuff together and I did Prime Pro and I found the terminal push-up. now call it three four years of pain and dysfunction i did two reps of the terminal push-up and the rest of the day i could move my neck all of a sudden my um my you know my upper body could sit my shoulders could retract my neck could be free um it was unbelievable cut like years of pain two reps and i was in a rush i was i trained in the mornings so i did a quick two reps you know a quick jump in the shower after a workout and then i went to work i noticed the whole rest of the day and I was sweet so that's some recent context um just uh what else what do we have yeah three days changed my whole day and then um I noticed in the in the scat push-up it's the deep retracted position where I'm shaky I'm nervy um I feel all kinds of happenings and uh firings and things happening so and then when I when I get up it's all of a sudden just like almost like I've got a pump and I can my shoulders can sit back right so I don't know if that's some extra context for you guys to actually see and pinpoint what it is but it's definitely

1:25:28Adam Schafer:it's definitely nerve related there's definitely some impingement going on the fact that you saw immediate relief is huge that is a big sign that is a great great sign so what you're going to do now here's the temptation david the temptation is going to be get right yeah oh i'm feeling good i'm gonna get back into the heavy stuff don't do it yet don't do it yet you need to live in

1:25:52Sal Di Stefano:prime pro for months this has been years and and that becomes that becomes your staple warm-up like even when you do start to ease back into some more traditional stuff like that's how you start your time with it every day every day those are your movements yeah what your routine would

1:26:08Adam Schafer:look like if you were my client is i would have you do prime pro movements for shoulder scapular thoracic mobility so you could all those regions practice the movements find the ones that feel best for you. Do them under control. Good technique. If one hurts you more, don't do that one. Focus on the ones that help you. And I would do that three times a day for, for 10, 15 minutes. And then once a week you can go lift, but it's literally pick exercises that don't bother you that are safe. And it's going to be, it's going to be moderate intensity.

1:26:38Sal Di Stefano:Probably more stuff like a seated row, face pulls, things like that. Just, just things that you feel safe to and just stay

1:26:45Adam Schafer:there for a while like for like three four months if everything feels good after that slowly ease yourself back into traditional strength training but use the prime pro movements as your warm-ups

1:26:56Justin Andrews:before your workouts okay that's what i wanted to sort of get a picture about so i live in prime so a few months so that's a bullet to bite and ego kill but it's got to be done no man it's not

1:27:06Adam Schafer:because you're making progress yeah look how good you felt having chronic pain i don't need to tell you this, but you had a chronic pain for years. It suddenly goes away. That's got to feel like a miracle. Unbelievable. Yeah. So you got the answer and we can fix this. So if I ever work with a client that's got pain and in one session they have significant pain relief, I know we can fix it. Like I know right away. Oh, that's exciting. Yes. This is exciting. Now we just need reps. That's right. So just, just live in there. Like I said, three times a day, three times a day, you do these movements and just move through them.

1:27:40Adam Schafer:And if you continue to notice improvement, keep going you could do like one day a week of strength training super safe do that for like three four months before even trying to ease back into traditional and and am i looking for obviously

1:27:52Justin Andrews:right now it's a disaster i mean i'm doing two reps and shaking and so obviously i'm looking for controlled you know you're waking everything up you're waking a bunch of stuff up that's

1:28:04Sal Di Stefano:dormant dormant for a long time that's why you're that's why you're like take your time with it to

1:28:08Adam Schafer:You go nice and slow and feel your way through it. Right, and remember it's correctional. So correctional, it needs to be done with intention and you need to feel it, but it's not so intense that it moves out of correctional. Because what'll happen is if you push too hard, like you're doing a workout, your default patterns are going to kick in and then you're going to cause problems. So think of the movements as practicing the movements and just getting better at them. So what you'll notice is two reps, right now you're shaky. Eventually two reps is going to feel smooth. That's how you know you can add a third rep.

1:28:38does that make sense yeah yeah yeah beautiful okay and then um uh i guess i'm answering my

1:28:44Justin Andrews:question i'll get get back to it's going to take a few months feel a bit stronger more stable and then getting back into training is pretty much um corrective work really but i would strength

1:28:53Sal Di Stefano:terms yeah and i would always i would always start the workout forever with what you what what you're learning right now about what the like that's how you should always prime and then And things like prone cobra, seated row, those become staple movements. You're an example, too, of somebody who, like, we talk about doing, like, the big lifts first, right? Doing squats or bench press, these big movements first. I would do those movements always first in my routine with you. The prime pro ones. We'd always do those prime pro movements. We'd always do prone cobra. We'd always do seated row. That would be the beginning of your lifting before I go into something like a bench press.

1:29:27Adam Schafer:And easier, just easier.

1:29:28Sal Di Stefano:You just need to hardwire these new movement patterns.

1:29:30Adam Schafer:And you just ease your way into it in a few months. You just go to the gym. You work out a little bit. Go easier than you think. Wait. See how you feel. That feels great. Do it again. Do that for a couple weeks. Okay, I think I can go a little harder. And just ease your – and before you know it, you'll be back. Before you know it.

1:29:45Justin Andrews:Yeah. I can't wait. I can't wait. It's been a couple years too long. So my current routine, I'm assuming – I'm playing basketball, so pretty much living prime pro and basketball is okay a couple times a week. What do you think?

1:29:57Adam Schafer:As long as basketball is not causing problems. Yeah.

1:30:00Justin Andrews:yeah yeah okay yep okay well that is on list of problems with ease of ankle rolls and things that's right that's right i'm gonna live in some 90s and some ankle stuff too for sure yeah yeah

1:30:14Adam Schafer:oh that's good dude this is good it's such good news i'm telling you like as you were talking i was a little bit like uh-oh this is going to be difficult but then when you said oh yeah i did two reps and i noticed significant pain relief so that's like like i said if i have a client that that happens i'm like this is we got this we got this yeah no it blew my mind i did two reps i got

1:30:32Justin Andrews:up from the floor and just i could breathe i said well this is unbelievable and um no okay easy man pretty straightforward maybe i just need to uh i needed to hear it from some pros and get slapped around a little bit and get on track yeah let's do it dude i'd love to hear back from you in a couple months let us know how you're how you're doing i will appreciate it how many um how many aussies i don't even notice that many aussies on the show we got quite a few yeah we get a lot of

1:30:56Adam Schafer:people from that's probably the third largest audience right what time is it there right now

1:31:01Justin Andrews:us canada then australia i think is that right uh 448 uk and uk yeah oh good oh well sorry thanks for waking up early yeah i'm not going to sleep i'm just getting warmed up for some prime prayer

1:31:12Adam Schafer:this is when i go yeah yeah go eat your vegemite post-workout sandwich

1:31:19Justin Andrews:too far too far we don't know it like that

1:31:23Sal Di Stefano:sorry no no you're right all right all right brother i appreciate it thank you thank you

1:31:30Adam Schafer:it's so funny while he was talking i'm like oh this is a nerve issue uh nerve issues can be very difficult but i've had clients like this where they've had these chronic pain for five years and then we do one two movements and they're like this is why we and it's like this is a

1:31:44Sal Di Stefano:This is why we teach our trainers so much around this is what a good assessment looks like. You take a client like that, right? You show them that. And you showed him, if you were a trainer assessing that guy who's been struggling with pain for two to three years, couldn't move his neck, all this stuff, and you took him through that movement. He's hiring you. Yeah, for sure he's hiring you. I don't care what kind of financial situation he is finding a way because you would blow his mind. And that used to happen all the time with clients, especially since so many people deal with nerve and chronic pain and mobility movements are that amazing, which is also is what makes me so annoyed by the other side of our space that is always shitting on that stuff.

1:32:30Sal Di Stefano:It's like, dude, that's I can't tell you how many times I've had a client like that, that I've given a movement or two for and they're like, oh, my God, that's right.

1:32:38Adam Schafer:I can move my shoulder and it doesn't hurt. It's not clicking. No, I mean, and this is just, I know you guys feel the same way. I'm sure you've had the same experience. The majority of the times, majority that people came with pain, it was chronic. Majority of the time, we could significantly improve it. Yes, solve it. It's the majority of the clients. It's actually more rare. It was far more rare to have that client where it was like, okay. Yeah, where you get dumped on it. Every once in a while, you get stumped.

1:33:00Sal Di Stefano:Every once in a while, you get stumped, and you're like, man, I don't know. But that was rare. That was rare.

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