2719: Non-Obvious Ways That Fitness Impacts Your Life in a Positive Way

30:22That's all he ate. He ate nothing else? Nothing else. Oh. That's 1 ,608. So he ate a nice - This is low calorie. He ate an 1 ,800 calorie, low calorie. So diet, that's 1 ,800 calories. So he ate nothing else. High protein, low calorie. Okay, so I'll throw a wrench in that then, Adam. Okay. what would you expect to happen with a man's testosterone? So what makes that amazing is just also, it highlights how complete an egg is. Yeah. Because you could, I mean, what else could you eat only 1 ,800 calories of and still see that many positive benefits? You wouldn't see a, typically if a man eats, it was 1 ,600 calories or 1 ,800?

30:57Yeah, 1 ,800, I did the math. 1 ,800 calories. I did, what, 70 calories an egg, right? So you figure. Yeah, it's like 60 to 70. So say 70 calories an egg times 24 is 1 ,680. Okay. If a guy ate 1 ,600 calories a day for a month, you would expect to see a drop in testosterone. That's remarkably low calories for a man. And you would predictably, I would always guess lower in testosterone. Now, what I think, that's such a great balance of fat and protein. And so I think that's why. But even so, a huge calorie deficit, which 1 ,600 calories for a guy is a pretty big deficit, would cause typically a lowering of testosterone.

31:36Well, okay. You can get cholesterol. I'm going to play devil's advocate. What's up? Well, he didn't eat all of his eggs, just raw or cooked eggs. Some of them were fried, so there'd be oil involved. Maybe a little bit more. So there'd be more calories. Deviled eggs, he'd eat deviled eggs. That's negligible, though. Still remains the same. Here's an argument you can make, though, too. Let's say he was higher body fat percentage and unhealthy going into the test for 30 days. It would show improvements on that. Is that the, not necessarily, but maybe, right? That could show that. I'm sorry. Is that a picture of him?

32:09Yeah, he didn't look like an obese guy. No, he was a very thin guy. Yeah, so he was a healthy guy. No, you take a dude, you take a thin dude, and you have him eat 1 ,600 calories a day for 30 days, you will almost always see a drop in testosterone. Definitely not a 79 % increase. Yeah. I mean, if I present that to you guys, we would all guess your testosterone will lower. Now, here's where I'm going with this. i again old school bodybuilders are this and i experiment with this all the time and it lasts for about 45 to 60 days and then the effect tends to wear off when i dramatically increase my cholesterol intake from eggs are you talking about strength gains huge strength gains yeah it is the most anabolic thing i've ever done with food ever period in a story aside from eating healthy there's nothing will get my strength to skyrocket like eating eight to ten eggs a day in my diet nothing yeah nothing comes close even if i eat a steak or other things to replace it so and that's something i encourage people to do uh no i don't encourage you do it at your own you know you can do it yourself test it for yourself experiment but i mean there's not a lot of strength gains are crazy there's not a i mean the only thing that may be come close to this would be eating like just steak for that many calories and steak would be probably close to this but i think it's the cholesterol you guys i think there's something with dietary cholesterol that you would get if If you ate that much steak, you would get close to that, wouldn't you?

33:27No way. Not 1 ,300. Not 130. Not as much. That's the most high cholesterol food you can eat. You get a decent amount of cholesterol. I mean, I don't know. 60 calories worth of steak, and it's going to give you... How many grams of cholesterol is in one egg? It's pretty high. You would know that better than me. I forgot. Yeah. It's pretty high. Maybe, Doug, you could look that up. Calorie per calorie, you're not going to get that much cholesterol. But I do think that it's pretty remarkable when you put somebody in a calorie restriction, regardless of what they're eating, how many positive benefits you see.

34:02The thing that's interesting - That's true. You know, like you take somebody and put them in a - Especially in only 30 days because extend this out for six months and maybe you do start to see some adverse effects. Well, the LDL would almost always go down. Yeah, 186 milligrams. Yeah, you ain't going to get that in 60 calories worth of statement. So you're getting the extra benefits. Yeah, so again - I mean, this is why though an egg is also been known as like a perfect food, right? And here's the other thing I'll point to. It's the complete - A whole egg versus egg protein that's equivalent, when they compare them for muscle protein synthesis, the whole egg is significantly higher in stimulating muscle growth.

34:39So I don't think it's the protein. Yeah. I think it's the cholesterol. Yeah. And again, there's some studies that show this, that when you boost dietary cholesterol with like older populations, they get stronger, they build more muscle. Yeah. So I think that might be what we're looking at. And you guys know that. I've talked about like, you should make a supplement. We've been scared out of eating it. And so, yeah, I think it's definitely a difficult time. That would be so hard for me to eat 24 eggs in a day. That's a lot of eggs, dude. That's a lot, dude. I mean, when I do eggs at a time. I'm also not a big egg fan in the first place.

35:06So I don't think they're like great tasting. I have to have them in something, though. A toast, a burrito, something. The smell of them, too much. It's too much. You know who eats a lot of eggs? It's because it's like my son. Yeah. My son. I know, mine does, too. He's going to turn five here soon. He could easily, like easily eat five in a day. That's awesome. For a five-year-old? That's awesome. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah. I wish Max liked eggs more. Does he like them at all or not really? Yeah, he's not a fan. No matter how you make them? Yeah. I mean, I could try. He's not a fan. I'm not either.

35:37So it's hard for me to push him on him when I'm like, I didn't like it. You just got to throw a lot of salt on it, dude. I mean, I actually never ate them until I became a personal trainer and obviously figured out how beneficial they were and how healthy. So it became like a discipline myself. And then over time, I've gotten better. But I just had a recent, I had one of the places I order breakfast from just got a bad batch that just tastes. And now I'm like, I haven't had them for like almost three weeks now because it's like now it's hard to get like a bad. Isn't that weird? Yeah. You ever eat something and you get sick from it?

36:09Yes. And you can read it again? It's so weird. It'll take a while before, I definitely won't order from them first. And you know what I'm saying? like it's just it's just and i'm sure the there's a psychological phenomenon totally and i'm aware of it yet still it's like uh bro that happened to me with thai food i loved thai food loved it got sick then i went to thailand and almost died and now if i eat anything that's thai it's like i have to like oh i have to kind of get over that weird you know and i used to love thai food but because it got so sick it completely ruined it for me happened with tequila too that's a different but that's a different story.

36:44I was meaning sushi. Yeah, anyway. Digestive enzymes. I want to talk about this for a second because one of our partners, Bioptimizers, they have digestive enzymes that you take with your meals. And I was just kind of looking up. That's their mass enzymes, right? Mass enzymes. I was looking up the value of using them and what's the value. And as you get older, you produce less and less digestive enzymes in your body. So as you age, you break food down. more difficultly. So digestive enzymes become more valuable as you get older. They're especially valuable if anybody's ever had their, not their appendix removed.

37:22What's the other thing sometimes people get removed? Their gallbladder. Yeah. You remove your gallbladder. You're going to probably want to always supplement them. Now does your cell, does your body become like, I've actually thought about trying them. Cause I don't, it's not something that I really, I know you use like religiously. And I know Justin does too pretty often. And I wonder if I were to take it and if it, would improve digestion maybe i don't feel like i need it but what if i were to take it uh could i feel an improvement from it that's first question follow-up question of that is is there any sort of down regulation like so let's say my body already kind of naturally does a good job of doing that and then because i start supplementing for it would it down regulate okay there's no uh there's no feedback loop with enzymes like with hormones okay so your body's not it doesn't like uh perceive them go oh we got it's kind of why i've never messed with it because i'm like i don't really have a problem and i don't want to start taking it and then become like dependent that i have to start taking them all the time.

38:13So I could totally mess around with taking it and just see, hey, does it feel better? Does it feel like I... So digestive enzymes, think of them as like little scissors in the body. So you get a carbohydrate or a protein or a fat and enzymes go in and break them into fatty acids or amino acids or more simple sugars for utilization in the body. It's especially valuable for high protein diets. One of the things that sometimes people will say when they eat a really high protein diet is uh their digestion yeah it's a little more difficult uh on their digestion and this was always my go-to if i had a client i bumped her protein from she was eating 50 grams a day to a hundred you know they're not used to red meat especially yeah it's like here throw some digestive enzymes to see how you feel and i'd say probably six or seven out of ten times that was it that was all we needed to do was have those uh those digestive enzymes make a difference so really high protein diet i would say is more valuable i know if i don't bring it up i know justin will never get to it because this is his notes i think because i see uh gruden and manning and we never get to talk about anything and i don't know i don't know what this is so i'm like so curious who are those yeah no yeah no it was funny i watched this video of uh gruden he was talking about like uh manning how ruthless he was uh with his research and homework and so you know and he was just a brilliant mind out there on the field and would pick defenses apart.

39:37But one thing in particular, like stood out to him, he, uh, he had heard him like doing calls. So he's like calling the play and he's like checking down and, um, and he starts listening. And one of the, one of the defenders like, Hey, Hey, wait a minute. That's my wife's name. And then he goes through the line of, of the DBs and he memorized every one of their first and last names. of their life. And so he'll call them out like specifically where he's throwing it. It's just a mess with their mind. So I was always, I know Tom Brady's a goat, but I was a Peyton Manning fan. And so, and for a long time I used to make the argument that Peyton Manning was better than Tom Brady.

40:15And then obviously after all the Super Bowls, I could no longer make that argument anymore. But he was my favorite for those reasons. Like the amount of research and homework that he went into. And then you also will talk to like Ray Lewis and linebackers that played against him. And they said like he was just an absolute nightmare to play against for that reason. He knew your defense better than your defense knew their own defense. Psychological warfare. Yeah, and so he was so famous for all the audibles that he would call when he'd come to the line. He'd come to the line and never did he run the play that was planned.

40:44He always called all these audibles because he would get to the line in the formation. He'd see their defense. He knows their defense better. He knows where all the holes were in it and would call an audible right away and just made it so difficult for a defense to play with that. No, I love that. He's so great, dude. It's so remarkable to me how, and I think it's most clear in sports, how there are people that are just in another universe in terms of their ability. And sports makes it very clear. You can see it very clearly when you see a 300-pound man run faster than you've ever seen in your life.

41:16It's like, oh, there's a different level of human. But what trips me out about that is I like to extend that out into other things. There are people who are like that in business. There are people who are like that with science. and math that are just in a nut like i was looking at yeah and their own league by the by themselves what was that i sent you a text adam on elon musk whether love him or hate him uh you know doesn't matter uh what you know based on what i'm about to say so you can love him or hate him but when it comes to his entrepreneurship oh yeah he's at the number one number two number five uh private companies co-founded the first second and fifth most profitable most valuable private companies in the world right now private too yes as well as the 10th most valuable public company in the world all founded by him yeah yeah that is unheard of that doesn't make any sense another level of brilliance i think the reason why i get so excited about the sports is because you you have the the merging of the two so you have a like manning do you remember i think i brought it up on this i think i brought up on the podcast shame on me if i did it that when uh manning was rehabbing and they had the eye test on him and it was the first time they'd ever seen somebody it was tracking real time.

42:26It didn't make sense to them. They've never seen that before. Where everybody, we have a little bit of a little bit of delay. There's zero delay. He's almost ahead of it. Yeah. That's what they said. They say it was almost like he was predicting where like, so you have this, you have this guy who's brilliant, like has the ability to memorize wives, names and formations of a team you're playing that is rotating every week better than the old team knows. And then also his physical capabilities of being able to predict where something, I mean, that's just, What do you guys think a guy like him would be a thousand years ago?

42:55There's no sports. There's no football. Oh. War strategist? Yeah. Or like most successful hunter of all time. You know, the deer's way over there. He's like, what's that? And because of his mind, if you go back then, I think he becomes like war. He's the guy who everybody follows because he could go out there and throw the spear better than you. And then his brain is so good that he can strategize. So he's definitely the guy who's. That's cool. Yeah, maybe he killed a lot first to prove how great he was, and then he's really strategizing at a high level. That's the only thing I could think of.

43:26That would be valuable. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That far back. That far back. I saw this woman did this post, and she was talking about women's hormone cycles and how different they are throughout the month. And then she made this statement, and I'm like, let me fact check this statement. and she said that women report burnout at higher rates than men do so i'm like is this true of course is this true so stop bro no let's let us i don't even say that in a sexist way i mean listen i could there's no way i could handle carrying a baby for nine months i would break well so i looked this up i said do they actually report more burnout and so i looked up the stat and it's about almost 20 percent higher rate reported levels of burnout and then i saw and i said okay maybe this is because uh they feel more responsible for household like these are women who are working so women versus men who work who report burnout so i'm like okay maybe it's because women feel more responsible generally this is a widely held belief but there's data to support this that they feel more responsible for even though they're working household stuff and the kids so i said okay let me compare single women to single men because that would get rid of that right yeah And still they report about 13 % to 15 % higher rates of burnout.

44:44I think we were just created, both men and women, to handle different types of stress better than others. There's stress that I think women do better than others. An example that was an easy layup is the pregnancy. I just could not day in, day at get up. That boggles me to just be fine with that and live with that. There's no way I would break. I've said this before. Or if we were the ones to get pregnant, like every birth and delivery would be general anesthesia. Ask me to run on four hours of sleep, get up at 5 a.m., go do a grueling job where I have to use, like physically beat my body up. And then get up and do that again.

45:20And like, I could do that. You know, like many, many days in a row. So I went into the data and I said, okay, why is this the case? What does the data show? What are we showing? and it says that men have a they can depersonalize at a higher rate meaning that they can disconnect yeah disconnect and detach which sometimes is criticized uh like you shouldn't do that in fact the too much depersonalization is a is a bad thing right uh disassociation but uh i do think there's a value to it i now what would the historic value be well you leave your home to go do this thing you're gone you have to support your family or you're gone you're at war or whatever i think that's valuable to be able to handle certain stresses uh that you know that maybe men historically have had to do uh but i thought that was an interesting stat i don't think it's a bad thing but i do think it's i don't think it's a bad thing i don't think it's a weaker stronger species thing i think that again i think that we we each have our strengths uh when it comes to dealing with different types of stress whether it be which is cool because when you combine your strengths yeah they stop they they complement each other 100 % 100 % you know I wanted to have you guys seen I think I think I think China has got it Doug can you pull up I know you asked me last time the the how do you say that Xiaomi Xiaomi Xiaomi Xiaomi yeah okay he just says things so well I would have never could have spent I would have spent 30 minutes trying to pronounce that the official pronunciation I don't know I don't speak Chinese I didn't know you could do this but this I find this really interesting what's happening to it's only a matter of time we talked about um you know elon getting ready to get in the phone game i know there's rumors that that's true not sure i don't doubt it's not going to happen i eventually i think it'll happen and that's going to be interesting how much that disrupts and just apple hasn't innovated very much and now there is a competitor this say it again doug xiaomi xiaomi 17 pro i know i was gonna mess it up bad again uh 17 pro max where they aren't even trying to hide that they are making their their phones identical to iPhones.

47:29So it's like - Well, that's the game, isn't it? Well, so here's what keeps me an iPhone guy. It's just like, and why I didn't make the switch to Google is that I remember using one of my buddies and just the interface is so different that I'm like, I don't even want to go through the - You purposely make it different. I don't care if your camera's 2 % better or does a battery exist. Yeah, you gotta go through a learning curve. Yeah, I don't want to go through a learning curve. It's something I'm already comfortable with. And so there's a competitor now that is just like, we're just going to basically copy exactly - The only downside is that instead of America spying on you, it's China.

48:02So I don't know if that's better or worse. Wasn't that the Huawei issue, like, forever? And so is this any different than that? Because it's, so this is literally just carbon copy. So basically what they did, carbon, okay, what they did was carbon copy it with a better battery, better camera, and, like, a fraction of the price. Oh, yeah. So it's like, I mean. It does look the same. it's identical except for a better camera better battery wow and all the all the ui is like super super similar and i think it's i don't know if the price is up there doug but how long is he gonna last before it gets sued yeah i don't know if you can if they can copyright all that all that like i don't know what's what's copyright with the free remember how hard tech is to copyright you remember how hard the the the tech is they own a lot of patents i've gone through that rabbit no no they definitely do but i don't know how much how much of that can you buy it here i don't know uh yes 700 or 800 dollars oh okay it's not it's cheaper but it's a lot cheaper the new life what's the new iphone 1500 or something really it's crazy is it that much dude yes it's so they've been going up and up you know i think my last one i bought was like 1200 you know it's crazy to me people talk about how expensive it is to live today or whatever it's because we have all these things that did you just say that the new phones going up to 1900 did i just see the new apples going up to that well this is xiaomi still i'm still trying to get the pricing on this.

49:23Okay. All right. Wow. They have a two terabyte version for$2 ,000. I don't even know what terabytes is. A lot of storage. Is that a lot? That's crazy, man. I'll tell you what the new iPhone is. What is it, the 17 now? I think so. Well, right there, there's an article that compares the two that you just saw there. Well, I can go back to that. See that one right there? I mean, you go the more difficult route, though, by going into the internet. Where is that sound? We're peering into Doug's brain right now. You know, I got to comment on this because I've said this before. This is such a guy thing.

49:52Yesterday, I'll give you guys an example. That we're teasing and insulting each other. Yesterday, I'm on the show. I'm doing an intro. Justin's sitting over there. It's like C-section Greg. It's just me by myself. I'm doing the intro thing. And a fly comes flying around. I had to stop the intro. And Justin's like, oh, it got in my face. He's like, oh, it got in your beak. Because you guys make fun of my face. You say I have a beak or whatever. Land right on your beak. And I just was dying. I was just cracking up. And it just, this is a, I know it's a guy thing. you know, when you have your buddies that you love and respect, the more you guys tease me, the, the, and now I'm going to make it sound weird.

50:29The closer I feel. I thoroughly enjoy it. It's hilarious. Some people don't. Yeah. Some guys don't though. You know, it's not like it is. Those are my people. Those are guys. Other guys don't like. Those are the ones I'll tease harder. So what do you think that is? Cause, you, that causes the guy who has, what happened to him? Yeah. that he doesn't do well with that. Why do some guys embrace that to a point? They love it. They like it. And then other guys. I don't think they had a lot of exposure growing up with other men. That would be my guess. And probably got bullied really horribly. So it was all just negative.

51:11It wasn't fun. I'll give you an example. I'll give you an example of that. One of our buddies who I love. I'm going to say that first. I love this guy. I love him to death. Talk to him again. but I get the impression that if I teased Lane Norton, it wouldn't go over well. You know what I mean? He doesn't like that so much. Yeah, take it the wrong way. So that's probably what's happening. You probably had something traumatic, so it triggers that no matter what, if your buddies are even being playful, you have a hard time. Because you got bullied. Yeah, that probably brings it. But here's the thing.

51:37Here's why I'm telling you this is a guy thing. Have you guys ever teased your wife and seen how great? Oh, yeah, that lands well. It flies over well, doesn't it? Never, never. It has to be like the lightest one ever. It's an approved, an approved way. Approved first. Yeah, dude. She has to do it to me first to like invite it. Yeah, but even then sometimes. Don't be insensitive. Yeah, it's a delicate dance. That's just not good. Yeah, Katrina has really thick skin, and I'd still say that. That's not a winning strategy. It's in the context of that. It's not a winning strategy for me. I mean, like if I walked in.

52:12Which is hard because this becomes your best. when you marry someone this becomes your best friend you can't forget it's not a dude you just can't forget like if I came in if I had a horrible accident I'll just paint this story here if I had a horrible accident and lost my left eye literally like I lost it I have no left eye left terrible accident it's horrible you're Cyclops now within I'll give you guys I'll even be concerned bring you a pirate hat two days later I bet you within a week within a week you guys would have nicknames for me you give me like seven days why aren't you saying he's there you buy me a parent I buy you a monocle just to highlight it but you'd give me like a good seven days I told you what happened I don't know if I shared on the podcast I showed you guys my buddy Greg I hadn't seen him in like a long time we were doing fantasy football we all got together and we were in the pool and he pulls his shirt off and he's got this crazy scar and his stomach is like sideways I mean it's really like messed up I'm like oh shit what happened he's like oh man he told me like this thing that he had surgery and I was like oh bro and I was like I'm gonna call you C-section Greg the rest of the day he was like it caught on too everybody everybody in the day now he's in our fantasy football league he's like oh there's C-section Greg is that it it's stuck yeah this dude's stuck does he like it yeah I mean he's a typical yeah he's a good buddy when it's too good it sticks he's just like oh okay you got me there it was good it's the best dude so I'm saying that because Doug we love you that's why we teach you all the time Thank you so much.

53:40It's a term of endearing. And Doug loves it. Who had the 20-year-old driving through the dealership? I did. I want to hear about this. So this kid goes, and I believe it was a BMW M4 competition series. He wants to buy one. And I guess he gets declined on the financing. And he gets so angry. First of all, he tried to grab the keys and take it after they told him no. And they didn't. And so then he goes out in the parking lot and he starts circling the parking lot and he drives the car through the glass windows at the dealership. He's like, I'm out of here. Crazy to me, right? What a missed opportunity from a sales guy.

54:24You know what I mean? Real quick, you really want this car. We're going to make this happen. You really want it. Let's figure out a way to get you. Just not today. Just not right now, but I'm going to work on this, bro. That's a deal you lost. Do you see that? 20 year old kid what kind of kid what is your this is the part of how much I think these video games being online all the time there's a distort GTA

54:55I'm not a fan of blaming a lot of this stuff blaming on millions of people play video games and don't go drive through things like that but there's got to be something to be said about somebody who's constantly living in the virtual world and playing games. I mean, the reality is distorted. That's right. Where it's like, you think that's more common than what it really is. Like, no, you're the first person to drive through that. You know, like that doesn't happen. I imagine that's going to get even worse. And now, too, with the VR, because I see my kids love VR, and they don't even want to play with their tablets or PlayStation more.

55:31It's just VR. And so, yeah, it's very limited the amount, but it's like, yeah, I could see kids just like, it's so immersive. And then taking them out of there into reality is going to be real weird. Oh, man. I had a conversation with my daughter. She brought this great question at the dinner table. And she's like, how come there's not a lot of serial killers anymore? I'm like, wait a minute. You're right. Because when you read about these famous serial killers, they all happened, I think, in the 80s, 60s, 70s, 80s. That's all MKUltra. In 90s, okay, maybe that. Here's the other one. Here's the more accepted explanation.

56:08Because I talked to her about this. I said, well, here's what I said. In some countries, ban publicizing mass murderers or serial killers. There's this phenomena where when you report on it - Creates more. Creates more. It's the same thing with the bank robbery. That's right. Yeah, yeah. Because you have a country of 300 million people. There's always going to be a percentage of crazy people that are in there, a small percentage. and when they get they see the reporting of the person that gets all this attention that did all this stuff it's just enough to push some people over the edge into doing same thing with mass murder yeah doug just pulled out that there's a significant fewer serial killers now that now is that because they stopped talking about it and promoting it right is it because because in the 80s it was like a phenomenon where everyone they were talking about it they still do they make movies about them yeah every netflix i swear there's a whole genre that's just who was resurrecting all the serial killers one factor was lead paint lead that was associated with serial killers that's overall violence there's a violence too yeah yes but there's a whole nother ball game when you're talking about serial killer that's like another uh that's that's a whole different uh universe so i i lead definitely contributed violence but that's not the same right at all who was the last one that netflix did a thing on that was all popular or um Dahmer?

57:30Ed Gaines? No, I think it was Dahmer. Remember it was last Halloween and there was such controversy because he became the number one costume. Ed Gaines was the one that he made people's skins. Oh, that's just now. That's a new one. You know what my daughter told me? She said that the guy who created that documentary on Dahmer that the victims wrote it and said, please don't make this. We don't want to relive this. we don't want this to be a popular and he said i'm gonna make it screw you guys that was why that's messed up so that was like what the controversy was about was they they pleaded for it not to happen it becomes the number one stream thing on netflix becomes the number one so talk about the people that had to go through that not only do you know that there's a documentary but didn't you go see and then you see people dressing up imagine the the trauma you'd have to live through if you had some kid says trick-or-treat and he's dressed up oh my god one of the if you're just if you're related to a victim you don't even got to be like the intimate partnering with it if you're just somebody who's so gross downstream and you answer your door and what are i mean some of those crazy some of those family members absolutely had to experience that because the likelihood if it's the number one costume in halloween that you see that during halloween is highly likely right i mean anytime there's a number one halloween costume you almost always at least see it once yeah once or twice like and imagine like you said so answer the door so anybody thinks that we don't live in a broken world like come on man all right let's think we're celebrating these these we are by action celebrating these crazy terrible people just i mean money money rules it because it because it that trumps it because the amount of money that will be made i had a discussion with some remember that like it was a couple episodes ago i said how the the people think why is there so much suffering in the world but the question should be why is there any good at all and i was talking to somebody about this i'm like no people are inherently good i said no they're not they're inherently bad we had this whole conversation and i said if you don't believe me, would you be okay if today every law was taken off the books?

59:26There was no law, no punishment. What do you think would happen within 24 hours? I won the argument right then and there. We definitely live in a broken world. Yeah. Multivitamins are great, especially for children. Unfortunately, most children's multivitamins are just candy. Well, there's a great company. It's the only company we recommend for kids. It's Haya Health. These are multivitamins that work and they're not just a bunch of candy and sugar go check them out go to hyahealth.com that's h-i-y-a health.com forward slash mind pump that link will get you 50 off back to the show our first caller is reese from texas what's up reese how you doing how's it going y 'all good good man how can we help you Okay, yeah, I'm just going to read my email off.

1:00:10So I say, my name is Reese, I'm 22, and I've been working out consistently for the past three years. I've lost around 60 pounds and kept it off, which has been a huge accomplishment for me. For a long time, I was afraid to eat in a surplus because I didn't want to gain the weight back. So my muscle growth was slow early on, but I'm finally in a lean bulk and feeling great about where I'm headed. I recently enrolled in NASM, and I know deep down that I want to help people, especially those who struggle with over restriction binge eating and low self-esteem like i did i've lived through all that and came out stronger and i believe i can guide others through it too but even with that i have imposter syndrome i don't feel like i'm big enough or experienced enough to be taken serious as a trainer and it's hard to shake the insecurity even though i've made progress and have some an offer how do i know when i'm really ready to start training others what would you tell someone like me who's passionate but scared love the show thanks for everything out of you.

1:01:03So crazy. You're calling in right now. We were just having a discussion about people just like you. And let me tell you, you're more than ready because one of the most powerful things with being a successful trainer that a lot of veteran trainers still have a hard time doing is being able to be relatable and connect to your clients and be vulnerable. So that part of you that is scared, the part of you that you lean into that, you lean into that part of your journey because guess what? That person who's 60, 100 pounds overweight that's sitting across from you that's looking for your help, they're going to connect better with that than the jacked 6 % body fat percentage guy who's got 100 ,000 followers on Instagram.

1:01:44They will connect more to you and your story and where you're at and how you felt going through that than they will to this bodybuilder guy that looks super jacked and is popular. Trust me. Reese, how long have you been listening to us? I found out pretty recently. I found y 'all, uh, I heard higher up wellness talk about y 'all and then I looked y 'all up. And so it's probably been like three or four months. Awesome. Yeah. So I'm going to, I'm going to give you some good news. Uh, the feeling of imposter syndrome is for me a sign that the trainer or the potential trainer or the about to become trainer person actually cares.

1:02:22So, uh, if you didn't really care about doing a really good job, this really wouldn't become an issue for you. You're like, man, I really want to help these people. do I have what it takes? And so that's where it comes from. So I'm going to give you some more good news. Okay. 95 % of everything you're going to learn in every certification and every course, when it comes to diet, exercise, you know, program design, all that stuff, you're never going to use with your clients. Most of your clients, most of the people that work with a trainer need the basics, need the absolute basics. They don't need, now there's a 5 % out there that are going to need like really specialized correctional exercise or a functional medicine practitioner, in which case I always encourage trainers to have a network of people they can refer out to, to work with alongside with.

1:03:10The most important thing you could do as a trainer above and beyond anything else is have somebody be willing to follow you and allow you to guide them, which comes from trust. If you don't get that, I don't care. Nothing else matters. That's the most important thing. Most important thing is the trust part. So here's what you do. You go out there and you start working with people and you tell them and you be honest. I'm new, but I love doing this. Here's what I've went through. Uh, I'm going to ask you to trust me. I don't know everything, but what I do know is you're, you're in good hands with me and I really want to get you to your goals and I really want to do a really good job.

1:03:43And if they trust you, that's it. That's, that's again, 95 % of, uh, of everything is going to be that right there. So that's the most important thing. But the fact that you feel an overconfident, there's nothing worse than an overconfident trainer. That is a disaster of a trainer. The trainer thinks they know everything and I got it all and I'm whatever. That's, they typically do more damage than good oftentimes with their clients. But the trainer that goes in and says, man, I really care about these people. I really want to help them. I don't have all the answers. But one thing I do know for sure is I want to do a good job and I want to do this person right.

1:04:15That's the person that I can work with as a mentor, as a gym manager. Those are the kind of trainers that become great trainers. So here's some action items. Keep learning. Never stop learning. Even though you might not use most of that stuff, it's just going to keep things exciting for you and keep you hungry. And start working with people as soon as possible for free. This is where you're going to do most of your learning. The second thing you could do is work with a mentor. Are you following our Elite Trainer podcast? Are you listening to that yet? No. I think I've seen a clip or two, but I haven't started watching, like, the full yeah get onto youtube and go to elite trainer academy you'll see that's a pot so we have a whole arm of this business that's dedicated to trainers so obviously we got popular from the podcast and grew and our maps programs as well that was our staple for a long time the last two years we've really focused a lot on the trainers and it's a whole different arm of the business that we help develop trainers just like you so start with that podcast that's free and if you want.

1:05:15We have, we have our educator who helps trainers like yourself get jumpstarted into like, okay, do this national certification, then go here, go through our course, get in our group, let us help you. Um, if that's something you're interested in, I'll have, and give you a call. Yeah, for sure. I definitely plan on, uh, doing y 'all's personal training course, uh, in the future after I do my NSAM and I'll say I have started, uh, I trained my brother, uh, like three or four weeks ago. I'm like 6 '3", he's 6 '1", he's like 255, so he's pretty big. And we've been going like twice a week. And then I've trained a couple other people for a few weeks too.

1:05:55So I'm like starting to build a bit of confidence, but I feel like what I'm good at right now is like behavioral change and mindset, not really, you know, big confidence. That's like 90 % of everything. That's the most important part. Training-wise. Are you, is there a big box gym where you're at? uh not super big i don't i go to anytime fitness so it's pretty small but there's like a crunch there's a kind of fitness and then go get a go get a job at a big box gym you're gonna get a lot of great experience working at them working with different people that'd be the place to start it's reps man right yeah a year there of dedicated work and uh you know trying to help people you'll get so much out of that at a big box gym just because of the volume that's where i think you should start you get your nasm and you go through our training course and any of those places will hire you in a heartbeat yeah super fast yeah having an nasm going through our course you you name drop mind pump and you go through an asm and you're going to get a job anywhere you want to go the bigger the gym the better because you're going to get more volume more practice don't it doesn't even matter what they pay you a lot of trainers they get so caught up on what percentage or hourly it's like no you what you want to learn yeah you're you're right now at the learn phase of your business so you just need to learn as much nothing will give you a faster education than more reps, more practice, more clients.

1:07:11And so trying to do something small or private or niche where you get to collect all the money is not worth it to you right now. You want to get, you want to get volume. You want to get practice and get people in front of you. That's, what's going to get you really good in a short period of time. Okay, sweet. Awesome. That sounds great. Cool. Yeah, you got it, man. Reese, I'll have Ann call you and she can help you out with any more questions you have about it. Okay. Thanks y 'all. And yeah, I found y 'all pretty soon and it's exactly what I needed at the time. Just the stuff y 'all talk about.

1:07:38So I appreciate y 'all. yeah yeah start watching elite trainer academy you'll get a lot of good stuff there yeah okay for sure thanks y 'all all right yeah you ever think back to what a blessing it was that we all started in the big box uh atmosphere yeah oh yeah i know yeah like you're not gonna get all those variables uh that uh that much volume at that amount of time like anywhere else it just really isn't gonna happen although you did you guys did bring something up before we got on it's so funny we were talking about this and then this is our first caller today um the the mentorship and the help that you get is very different today than it was back then.

1:08:13The culture has changed. That's why I want to, hopefully he leans on us for that. Yeah. Cause it, it is a little, you know, we had an opportunity, uh, I don't know, it was about six, seven years ago when we were touring around the gym, the big gyms all over the place. Yeah. And I was really shocked by, uh, just how little they had been taught, you know, like some of the things that I thought we all thought were the basics. Yeah. Really basic stuff that you teach a trainer who's starting in your business, but they really have removed a lot of that. And I know they cut overhead, you know, so it was trying to save money.

1:08:44And you see that there's a lot of trainers that are in this guy's like Reese's position that need that help, that mentorship. And they're just not able to get it even in a big box gym. Our next caller is Brandon from Arizona. What's up, Brandon? What's up, guys? How are you doing? Good. How can we help you? um well so initially i started out in the email i sent i was trying to get as large as humanly possible and stay lean like every guy i think initially has yeah um the want to but then um i'm an f45 guy i run an f45 as you guys know fitness style stuff and then i started like going through a bunch of injuries because it's so stinking fast paced and then um from an athletic background.

1:09:27I just, I would rather just be able to move well and, you know, stay out of injuries. And then I got invited to play like, uh, like professional flag football. And I just realized like, I don't have my explosiveness anymore. And I feel like the group fitness stuff kind of took away from that. And so I'm kind of like stuck in a little bind of like, what, you know, kind of where I go next, I guess. Brandon, what did you, uh, when you were playing, uh, what, what did you weigh at? And then what do you weigh now compared to that? Just out of curiosity? Um, so when I was playing my last year of college ball, I was playing, I was running around at about 230.

1:10:03Yeah. I've since then put on about 25 pounds. It hasn't really been bad weight necessarily, but I feel like obviously my explosiveness is gone. And I don't know if you guys have ever done any F45 or anything, but it's more so endurance rather than being explosive. So yeah, that's kind of where I'm at right now. I want to stay strong and I'd rather, rather than looking good, I'd rather be able to move well. I got kids. My son's trying to play football soon. So, yeah. How many days a week are you? What's your workouts look like? What are you doing right now? Well, as of right now, I've transitioned.

1:10:34I used to, when I was going through a bunch of injuries, I was working out like six days a week. I was doing like two, sometimes three in a day. But now I'm doing four times a week. And I'm utilizing rest. And I go to like rest and recovery and everything. And so I just don't. Do you guys know who Tim Grover is? okay so i'm doing i'm doing doing now one of the jump attack the jump attack program because that's just like the best thing i figured i could do right now at this moment i stopped doing at 45 so i just kind of want to see where your recommendation is from from this point on if you're looking for explosive power and agility the majority of your training should look uh like plyometrics uh you know type drills maybe one day a week of strength training but the rest because it's a skill now getting lighter is going to help because you're 253 or 25 pounds heavier so losing some body weight uh makes a difference yeah but the vast majority of your training is going to be relearning the skill of of explosiveness yeah so it's going to look like one day a week of strength training maybe that's it one day a week very basic strength yeah yeah you're training your muscles differently like strength training to build is slow and that's okay if that's what you want but if you want speed and explosiveness if you look at the way the soviets trained and i recommend you do this look up and see how the soviets trained uh their athletes and they did in comparison to other very little strength very little traditional i should say strength training it was almost all explosive based exercise almost all of it um and their athletes just were incredible the marinovich's that's right yeah these are all kinds of plyometrics so uh in terms of like what we have programming wise, like I think the biggest, uh, the best matches are, are performance advance.

1:12:22And it, you scale that down like two, but like you say, maybe even one, uh, strength specific workout with that, but the rest is like just building them, developing up that skill. So if it is power that you're seeking, like, you know, that, that is going to devote that specificity. So if you are to also to like compliment that with mobility training so we reinforce the joints so i don't know how you know you're doing in terms of like restrictions or any kind of pain or anything like that uh as you know we age or as we haven't done our sport in a long time too all that kind of plays into a factor so that honestly i would recommend probably our performance advanced program so would you say performance advanced focus on on power explosiveness or speed and scale and scale down the strength and scale down the strength from two days a week to one day a week.

1:13:10And that's all built in there. So it's that, that was the big focus because if that's really, you're specifically trying to achieve that type of movement again, like that needs to be the entire focus. You already built yourself quite the foundational strength. So, you know, we're not really concerned about that. We need to build, develop that skill back. And Brandon, do not be surprised how much muscle and strength you will still have from training one day a week. You've built such a good foundation and I don't know how long you've been listening to the show, but I know Sal's talked about that study so many times that literally one day every two weeks will maintain muscle mass.

1:13:44So you don't need to, you don't need to progress there anymore. You've already built a ton of muscle. Really, the goal is now is to keep as much of it as you can while we get really explosive and quick. And you should lighten up. You're going to want, you're going to want your body weight to be a little bit lower than what it is when you're actually getting back to playing sport. And this will kind of, it'll naturally do that. And I, you'll be happy with the way you look, I promise. But one of the hardest things to do when I get a hold, any of us get a hold of an athlete is to convince them to do less of certain things because it's their mentality is more, right?

1:14:15If I, if I have this goal, now I'll just throw that on top of what I was already doing. And now more of this and more, it's like, man, there, there is a, there is an appropriate dose that will give you the best results. And Justin and Sal are telling you that right now, if you, if you trust us and stick to that, I promise you're going to be really happy, but you got get what you want. And we have the program for you. I mean, that program was written with your type of like what you want to do in mind. That's why we created it. Gotcha. So do you think I'll see a reduction in strength or is it like, that's going to be maintenance mode doing one day a week?

1:14:49That's so different for me. Well, what do you want? Do you want slow grinding strength or do you want explosive power? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I put explosive power, I guess I just, and I've never trained like that before so i guess it's like i i feel like i would just lose maybe muscles here's the deal you might but but you gotta yeah you gotta ask yourself what you want because look uh uh strength is so much of a skill it's not even funny yeah it's a lot of it's not just muscle uh it's also the programming behind the muscle so you may lose your top end squat and deadlift but you're going to be way faster and have more explosive power and you know what matters in sports you just cycle back and you know this you know speed matters so much more and explosiveness in sport you know that i know you know yeah yeah we don't gotta sell we don't gotta sell that to you and so you having a max bench press of 450 does you no good if you can't hit somebody fast or change direction fast like that that's gonna carry and so maybe your your max bench goes down from 400 down to 315, but you're moving faster, and that's still strong.

1:15:57I highly doubt it. I highly doubt it. When you get into speed power, what you're going to do is you're going to ramp up your capacity to generate force. Now, when you ramp up your ability to generate force, that translates into lifting weights as well. So I highly doubt it. The thing is, it's going back, and then you're going to go through a period of having to build up again the ability you had with benching and squatting and all that because those are specific skills themselves. So you're basically kind of shelving those a bit to build, develop these skills, which then still bleeds over back into it.

1:16:32So just, I wouldn't be too concerned about it. Yeah, and the reason why I'm saying what I'm saying is you got to let it go. Because if you try doing this with the constant fear of I don't want to lose, I don't want to lose my muscles. Every day you see anything go down, you're going to freak out. Yeah, you're not going to reap the max benefits you can from explosive training. Yeah. I mean, do you, any thoughts of actually having someone coach you through this process is that something that you've thought about because it might be worth the investment just have somebody checking in on you in yeah every now and then yeah i i totally thought about that i just i'm i'm preparing i'm i got uh baby number three coming so i just want to be smart with like yeah yeah everything so so that but that 100 crossed my mind i've never been like legitimately coaching everything i feel like my whole career has been kind of like here's a thing do it on your own show up lift and you leave kind of deal but i feel like i never got good, legitimate, true coaching on it.

1:17:21If you understand plyometrics, like you understand some basic lateral plyometrics, some kind of reactive plyometrics, and you're looking for a good coach, sometimes it can be hard to find a really good athletic coach who understands how to train someone for power, so that can be hard to find. A sprinting coach is a lot easier to find. So if you find a good sprinting coach and have them work on your sprinting, and then you understand how to do the lateral stuff, the reactive stuff, that's not a bad combination at all. Okay, and then one last thing as far as the eating, I haven't been tracking for shoot, I don't know how long.

1:17:56Do you think I should get back into tracking for that or should I just keep going the whole natural food route? If you're already finding that you're getting leaner by eating whole natural food, just stay there. Yeah. Okay. Got it. Yeah. Well, cool, cool. And then remind me that program you guys said. We're going to send it to you. Yeah. Oh, dude, you guys are awesome. Yeah, we got you. We got you. Thank you guys so much. You guys are rock stars. Seriously. All right, Brandon. Take it easy, bro. Okay, bye-bye. It's so funny. I literally just watched, there was a clip that came up. I don't remember what it was, YouTube or whatever.

1:18:26And it was the Soviet athletes. And it was showing how they were training. And you see these guys like hopping on one leg, you know, or going up a stair. Or doing all this like explode. And that's how they trained most of the time. And their athletes crushed because of it. You have to learn how to be powerful. It's not just being strong. I mean, you guys are both right with your advice. I think Justin's so right that you probably won't lose, but I think you're also right that it's like you should have the mentality that you might, and who cares? And who cares? Let it go. Exactly, because if he does drop 25 pounds in this process, he probably won't move the same max bench press that he was moving before.

1:19:03There's a good chance. But he's going to feel like a beast, though, because he'll keep most of that muscle, and it'll now translate over better to Justin's point. And so even if he loses a little bit of PR and his strength to weight ratio. Well, it sounds like he's already over the whole looking like you got the muscle. Right. Like now use it. Like express to the extent of like how you can use that muscle. And to do that, you really have like explosive training requires your dedication and focus. But it's different skills. Like you watch a power lifter squat a heavy squat and then watch an Olympic lifter do a heavy squat.

1:19:42and they look very different. The Olympics lifter does not go down what would look like slow and controlled. It is fast. And that's because that's the way they train. They train to be fast. I was actually going to recommend the concierge program to him because he gets the program from us and he just needs someone to – he's an ex-athlete. The nutrition part would help. Yeah. And so, yeah, it just has someone to look at his nutrition and check in with him on a monthly basis to make any sort of adjustments. If someone like that has got the discipline, has the experience, like you just get a check-in from the coach once a month who's just like checking up on the diet, checking up on all the numbers, like, okay, here you go.

1:20:14Keep going that route. Or, hey, let's move to this phase instead of that one. Like, I think that would have been perfect for him. So we should probably reach out, Doug, to him and just send him like an email and ask him if that's something he'd be interested in and set him up with one of the trainers. Our next caller is Amanda from Oregon. Hi, Amanda. How you doing, Amanda? Hi. Oh my God, you guys. This is such an honor. I'm so stoked to talk to you. Thank you so much. I really appreciate you taking my question. It's pretty near and dear to my heart. I've been a lash artist for, oh my God, it'll be five, four years.

1:20:45It'll be four years next month. So I'm super happy to be here. I've been listening to you guys since I deployed four years ago and found you to keep myself basically busy while I was over there for six months. So I appreciate you guys in more ways than one. So I'll just get to my question. My name is Amanda Grisham and I am a veteran and a former EMT turned stay-at-home mom slash home-based lash artist. Born with a servant's heart with a passion for fitness and challenges, I just started up on NASM's CPT course and my ultimate goal is to specifically help beauty professionals. We, as you guys probably know, are some of the most unhealthy people because of the demands from our jobs and ourselves.

1:21:27We undereat, rarely have a good training program, and the physical demands of our jobs are a lot more than people think. This leads us all at the end of the day to say we're too tired or in too much pain to develop a proper program for ourselves. And then down the drain, our bodies go. I can't tell you how many times I've seen the all or nothing mindset in our industry. And I honestly think most of it has to do with really having no idea of where to start. I think a good way to break a lot of these ladies into working out is to give them good exercises to start on to be more proficient in just their jobs.

1:21:55Not necessarily a full on program, because sometimes that asks like a little too much commitment out of them. I mean unless there's one that you guys suggest but things that can help them in their day-to-day Hairdressers usually stand all day lash artists sit all day in a weird hunched over position And it's the same thing with nail techs our body mechanics quite frankly are fucked As you guys know this trajectory Leads us to all be overweight in pain and or have to give up our careers because our bodies are wrecked in the lash industry I have lost count of how many women i've seen that have to close their doors because they develop carpal tunnel compressed discs all the things.

1:22:28And I thought it would be amazing to ask you guys, uh, which one or more of your programs would you recommend specifically to the beauty industry gals? Cause I really only trust you guys. Um, or if you could give us a handful of things to do at home that could help our backs, wrists, shoulders, hips, necks, all the usual suspects in an industry like this. I want to help out with these challenges in an industry I care deeply for and give myself a little education along the way from the best guys in the business that I know I can trust. What a great question and set up nice you painted yeah because we have a lot of experience uh i mean adam and i have talked about this in fact that we've trained a lot of uh people in your space and you painted it so accurately yeah so accurately there's something about what you do well besides the mechanics and i used to see this all the time uh most common things tight shoulders neck wrists uh hand issues yeah very very common feet sometimes you'll see a lot of foot pain and oh i have a ton of foot tension.

1:23:21Yeah. And then the all or nothing mentality, which I don't know. I don't know how that goes hand in hand, but it's so common with people in your space where they're like, I'm doing it all. And it's like, I'm fasting and I'm doing this. I'm doing, um, so you painted it perfectly. I think the perfect, so overall fitness always is best. Right. But you're like, okay, give me some specifics. I love, uh, our prime pro program. I was going to say prime pro with math 15. That's it for our specific. Okay. Yeah. So prime pro, because you can go in there and you could pick two or three movements that you would do neck and wrist cars.

1:23:54Yep. At the beginning of your shift. And after every two or three clients, you would do them again. So throughout the day, what it looks like is in the beginning before your shift, you do 10 to 15 minutes and then either in between every client or every couple of clients, five minutes of some of these movements. And you would focus on the areas that you think you need the most help. So shoulder scapula, probably really important wrist and hand, you know, movements that are in there. so very invaluable and you can pick and choose like i'm going to do some of these and in between clients is is how i would do that and then i love that i didn't even think of prime pro yes and then math 15 is your workout yep yep okay that's your work you have such a legit business idea on your hands right now the fact that you have the experience you have the knowledge and understanding of what these people need and there's not somebody specifically serving them i if you're not already starting to build content around what you do and which i mean you got to start doing this i think it's such a brilliant idea and it is thank you autumn it's unique it's so unique too because map there's no one and those and those lady because again sal's right i've trained a ton in your space do not are not attracted to a maps 15 type of protocol they are the in super setting jump lunges doing what they're all and then they burn they burn out and then they don't and then it's just back and forth like that and so you if you can connect with them which you will be able to do that better than we could if you can connect to them and you build literally the MAPS 15 protocol is what they strength train.

1:25:18It's only two exercises a day when they're training. And then the movements from Prime Pro. And you can individualize it for them like Southsand. So it's great the way we bring that up is it's all the major joints in the body. So if you had a specific client that you were servicing and she's like, oh God, it's my neck and wrist. All you're going to do is focus on neck and wrist stuff for her. That's all she's going to get is her protocol. Then you got someone else who's got more ankle feet stuff or knee and hip stuff. And so it's not like you're telling them, here's all of prime pro follow the whole thing no you take yeah you take specific parts of it and you apply it to whatever that client's needs are and god they have a great little program on your hands i'm not trying to overwhelm anybody i know that no you don't want to a huge issue in our industry is like dude i don't have fucking time for this i've got kids i gotta go home and cook i have too much shit to do so and on top of it when they've been standing all day or for somebody like me i know my my left trap screams at me by the time i'm done with because i'm sitting like this all day with tweezers.

1:26:15I look like a fucking T-Rex. So by the time I'm done, I'm like, the last thing I want to do is work out. So I I'm trying to give like little tidbits just to kind of get them introduced. Here's how you're going to sell it, Amanda. You're going to sell it like this. Um, Hey, do you have wrist pain or Hey, do you have neck pain? Try this movement, do it for five minutes, then start working on your clients in between your clients, do it and see how you feel. That's how you're going to get them bought in. Then the next question is, well, what about for workout? And then you can talk about that. Yeah.

1:26:44Selling that pain, selling mass 15 to, to people in your space can be very hard, but showing them how to get rid of pain immediately. Yeah. That's going to, that's going to sell you. That's what I would build all my Instagram or social media content around is exactly what Sal said. I would literally speak to your, your demographic and say, next bothering you, try this before and after work shifts. And like literally just teach that, give it away for free. Use all the stuff that you learn from Prime Pro and that becomes your content of like attracting your specific client with that. And then he's exactly right.

1:27:12Once you show that lady or that dude like that, their ability to get rid of that neck or shoulder pain from a couple of movements, you'll blow their mind. And then they'll reach out to you. Like, how did you, what did I do? It would be like this, like, Hey, Hey, lash artists, do you suffer from lash neck? What's that? Oh, that's where you get pain right here. Here's a couple of movements. I'm serious. I'm serious. You're branding it for them. They'll try it. And in five minutes, they'll see the pain go down. It's not like a workout where you got to wait a month or two to see results. When it comes to correcting for pain, you can oftentimes reduce the pain right then and there.

1:27:42Are you, are you, uh, I mean, where are you at with the NS NSM? Did you, did you just start it? Where are you at? Oh man, this has been quite the journey. So I actually bought the course while I was overseas. Um, I ended up doing the nutrition coach program and I was able to complete that just fine. Um, but we were about to leave as soon as the CPT program was even available to me. And then I came home, I stopped working in the hospital as an EMT. And then I got back into the beauty industry, beauty industry. So I had been building my, my business for quite some time. So now, you know, after, so I got pregnant, I had my son and then I essentially had to stop lashing full time, just daycare prices and all the crazy shit.

1:28:19So I have had to stay at home, but my husband, God bless him, saw that I was turning psychotic because I didn't have anything like for me to do. Yeah. So I started back up on the, on the lashing and stuff, but obviously since I can't do that full time, I'm like, I really miss doing stuff with fitness. I am looking in shape like a bag of milk right now, but I'm trying to, trying to get my, my life back together as far as fitness goes. And I know I'm always inspired when I'm watching you guys more and when I'm working on something fitness related. So I'm kind of just getting back into the personal training aspect.

1:28:51And now, and now that like, like Adam, like you said, it's kind of like a, almost like a business mentality because I've been doing lashes for so long now. I'm kind of thinking, okay, where is, where's the need? Where is a need in the lash industry right now? And everybody's putting out brands and products and they're all doing their own thing, but I haven't seen a single person and I follow a lot of people. Um, I haven't seen a single person go, Hey, I am solely dedicated to the beauty industry as a fitness professional. I have not seen it. So I think it's a brilliant idea. I think you have to do this.

1:29:21I would love that. I hope you get in our trainer course in our trainer community because i would love to help you through this process so get in there like i'm waiting on my my va rating right now actually but the that's you guys are the first place i'm coming once i yes i would love to help you through this process i think you're sitting on a home run idea and i have never seen anybody that's specifically nobody is addressing the pain that you guys feel and you guys have specific types of pain just like every you know different fields after you guys have specific types of pain here's here's step one we're going to send you prime pro if you don't have it already thank you and then when you go in there also match and match 15 when you go i have maps 15 okay good when you go into prime pro find the movements that help you first that'll help you communicate it yeah that helped me personally yes so you're like you said what would you say left trap pain is that what you said my left trap um and then you know obviously okay next stuff my left trap in particular look at the scapular and shoulder stuff start there before you go neck i don't know if it would be smart to start with neck without addressing that first try a couple of those movements follow the prompts do it perfectly and then do them throughout the day so let's say you have three or four clients in a day do it at the beginning do it in the middle do it at the end and then and then when once you start to see like okay this is great that'll help you communicate you can't practice that stuff too much right so if you're right bored throughout the day do it more like like sal's saying at least do it that many times but do it all the time do it all the time practice get good at it and you'll notice the difference.

1:30:43And so, and then honestly, that's how I build my content is almost like around my own personal journey. So there's that place too. Like if you have, some people have like imposter syndrome from teaching something like that, because they're just learning themselves, then, then create it that way. Like, oh man, I've, I started doing this and it's blown, you know, so teach that way too is fine as you can create content of sharing your journey through that process of learning it. But yeah, use our stuff, build some content around that. I totally We think you have a great business idea. Awesome. Thank you guys so much.

1:31:12Before I go, first of all, I appreciate your guys' time endlessly. I've been a huge fan of you for a long time. Sal, you in particular, I wanted to thank you. My maiden name is actually Oliva. So I tell everybody that you're my Sicilian brethren. And I introduced you to my dad, who is, he's 71 now. And he was actually a LAPD officer in the 80s. so he's done some he's done some crazy stuff so back then obviously it was about you know roiding out and working out as much as you possibly could and you know getting getting crazy in the gym and i told him you know he was trying to carry that on into his you know 60s and 70s and i told him dad you're you're doing way too much i i'm i recommended your book to him pretty sure he read it in two days oh wow um and he watches you guys pretty religiously now too so i really appreciate you guys helping out my my dad just kind of by proxy so thank you um you guys are great keep doing what you're doing i appreciate you so much thank you for taking my question thank you so much yeah i look forward to seeing you amanda all right thanks adam bye justin bye sal i i just reminded me one of the smartest uh you know we talk about how you can build business one of the smartest things i ever saw somebody do is i had a massage therapist who off because one of the things that massage therapists do to build their business they offer free chair massage in different places yeah she did it in a in a hair salon smart for the really for the people working there smart and it was brilliant because a lot of people don't realize it working on hair standing like it's all neck trap wrist stuff um that's brilliant for several reasons one uh great demographic to go after two you change a hairstylist life that you blow her mind she sees 10 people she tells every single person plus those salons get all kinds of foot traffic so people are seeing you do the work and that's a that's a that's a million dollar idea right there.

1:33:00Our next caller is April from Wisconsin. Hey, April. How you doing, April? Hey, guys. Good to see you again. How can we help you? So I was on about four months ago, and I think my question was around how I wasn't seeing results due to low-carb diet, that sort of thing. And we ended with the call where you guys were saying I need to focus less on aesthetics, and you recommended that I run the power lift. I will say that I did find a sort of the opposite of what you recommended.

1:33:34I know, right. I had just signed on with a new coach, I think a month before our call and I wanted to give him a fair shake. Right. So, um, he designed a program for me. We actually went into a deficit. We were going into summer months and I was really afraid of feeling fluffy in my summer clothes. Um, and we did, I think a deficit for about 10 to 12 weeks. I ended up losing, I think, seven pounds. I will say that that was very hard to do. We got really low in calories. And every time I would look at how many calories I could consume, I was like, oh, mind pump would kill me right now. We were down to, I think, 1450.

1:34:15And I was feeling terrible. But I tried to trust the process. and I really wanted to do it just to prove to myself that I could. I will admit I've been that person that has started and fallen off a wagon several times within my fitness journey in the last 10 to 15 years. So hiring a coach, I paid for it. I was invested. So I went with it. About two months ago, I had kind of a stressful event in my life happen. And my coach said, okay, let's reverse out of this. Let's raise you up to 1620. we eventually got to 1750 i would say after about six weeks reversing out of the deficit i'm at like 1850 for calories and um i'm wondering now that i did not follow your advice and i'm ready to at this point since my coaching has is coming to an end do you guys still recommend that i run power lift or is there a different program that's better fit for um doing the reverse diet about six weeks into it.

1:35:17Power lift and keep reversed. Power lift and keep going. Well, let me, let me ask you a couple of questions. Is that okay to ask you if you want? Yeah, go ahead. You said when you were going in the deficit with your coach before that you were trusting the process, what was the process that you were trusting when you were doing that? Good question. So his, the reason why I hired him was because his main focus was recomp, right? And I, I think on the call to, I stress that I was very self-conscious with, I put my body weight in my lower half and it was just something that I was hyper focused on.

1:35:47Um, and his whole thing was like, I have to get the body fat off and it's going to come off of their last. So he's like, let's do a deficit before we build. He did say we could go either direction, but because it was like may ish is when we started, um, it was just in going into summer months. And I kind of made the comment that like, I didn't want to do the reverse diet going into, you know, when I'm wearing shorts and a swimsuit and I just wasn't in the headspace to do that. Gotcha. The reason why I asked that question is trusting the process is great so long as it's a good process. Yeah. Trusting a process that's not good is not great.

1:36:26It's not great. So looking back, do you feel like, yeah, I kind of made a mistake? It sounds like you're saying that. No, I don't know if I made a mistake. I think it was a good challenge to go through. I think as I was going through it, I was putting it through like the mind pump filter of like, okay, this is what the guys would say. I know that. And I think it really helped me like jump on board with the whole fact that I don't want to chase aesthetics. Like that's, you know, one is superficial and the strength is where I need to, you know, put all my eggs, I guess. So I think it just took me going through the deficit, going through that to, you know, come to the side of like, okay, it's not about the way I look, it's about the way that I feel.

1:37:08It just took me a long time to go like to realize that. So what you're saying is that because you went through that process, uh, that now you're like, okay, I need to do things differently. Yeah. Oh, fully. Cause like when I came out of the deficit and I started eating, even just 200 calories more, I was like, holy cow, I feel so much better because I was really tired and my lifts were terrible and going to the gym wasn't fun. And after I started like adding more calories like okay like this this feels really good i want to keep this going i think had i had done that before i lost a little bit of weight you know five pounds seven pounds whatever it probably wouldn't have been a lot harder for me mentally um but i do think like i mean you guys were right from the beginning i just i kind of had to go through some hard stuff first to like to get to here totally and that's this whole journey yeah it's very difficult journey and there's a lot of lessons that uh that you're going to learn through kind of doing it the wrong way or And that's just what this fitness journey looks like.

1:38:08How do I know you're going to take my advice this time? Cause I promise. You know, it's funny. You guys, I listen religiously. Like I absolutely love the content you guys put out. So like, I am like following you guys from here on out. I mean, I have been regardless, but you had, I think his name was Jamie. You had him on the show. He had lost a ton of weight. And one of the things that he said that really stuck with me was I'm just a guy that goes to the gym four days a week. I'm just a guy that works out. And hearing him say that, I'm just like, you know, I'm going to adopt that for myself. Like, I'm just going to go to the gym four days a week, right?

1:38:44Like, I could give it 10%. I could give it 70%. I don't care. I'm going to the gym. And once I remove this idea of there's a deadline, there's a deadline, there's a finish line. Once I took that out of the picture, it's like, this is for life. I know you guys preach it, but you, a person really has to go through it at their own pace to figure that out. Um, and I feel like now that I've gotten to this point where it's like, I want to be, you know, in my sixties and seventies, I want to be that woman in, in church. She's got the muscles that I, you know, it's like, you can buy the fake lips, you can buy the fake, but you can buy all that, but you can't buy the muscles.

1:39:21So like, I'm like here to earn that. Um, and it feels good to finally feel confident to like say it and believe it myself well here's the here's the challenge with this is that you're not going to feel it before you do it it's going to happen after so what i mean by that is if you're if you're going to wait till you get it before you really commit you're going to wait forever right so this yeah so this this is going to be this because right now what you're saying is all the stuff you know up here which you knew before in fact the some of the clues you you you you gave us as you were talking about what you did with the other coach was oh my god mind pump would kill me right now if they saw this so so you know months ago you knew what you know now uh yes the difference now has to be this it has to be this i'm gonna do it even though i don't want to i'm gonna follow this and i'm gonna trust it even though i'm gonna hate it i don't want to hate it though so how do i not hate it april you're gonna hate it at first there's nothing there's no way to fix that you're gonna talk yourself it's not gonna feel comfortable until you're into it.

1:40:25It's not going to feel great. You have to understand that we all suffer from some form of body dysmorphia. All of us. I don't care how long we've been doing this. You're always going to have that underlying feeling in there. And so when you have a day when Sal tells you to eat 2 ,000 calories and you feel puffy the next day, or you feel a little lethargic, or you feel like you're holding water because those things are going to happen through this process, you go, oh my god, this isn't working you go that you're gonna go the other way but if you accept that that's part of the process that you know what that's kind of probably i'm probably gonna have some weeks like that where i feel that way i'm not i'm i don't care i'm still going through this path i know it's the right way so that's what he's trying to communicate right now is that you're gonna have those moments you are gonna feel that way and if you revert back to the same temptation that made you drop drop when you still had the same knowledge back then you're gonna do it and so right now accepting that i'm going to have some uncomfortable days where I'm not used to feeling this full or eating this much food.

1:41:26And I'm going to tell myself, I believe and trust this process because I know what I want. Yeah. So would you be open to working with one of our coaches that has a different process? Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. That's your best bet. I think that would be smart. That's your best bet because it's going to be uncomfortable. Yeah. Week one, week two, you get into week four or five, you're going to start feeling uncomfortable. I don't like this. I don't like the way it feels. I feel like I'm eating too much. I don't like the way, whatever. And you're going to need that coach to kind of continue to guide you through that process.

1:41:55Because right out the gates, you're going up to 2 ,000 calories right out the gates. You're going to follow a mass power lift. So we're going to reverse diet you again. And it's not going to be until months after that you're going to be like, oh, wow, I like this. It's working. It's working. But it's going to be uncomfortable. Can I run power lift the whole time staying at 2 ,000 calories? Or do I need to increment up while I'm running? I'm going to give you the answer, but then I'm also going to tell you I don't know. because it depends on how you feel. What I mean by that is if you're like really pulling your hair out, then I'll be really slow.

1:42:26But ideally, you're going to keep reversing. Ideally, you're going to continue to reverse and we'll probably get you close to 24, 25, something like that, 100 calories. But it depends on how uncomfortable it is for you because you may be like, look, I'm not going up another 100 calories. I'm holding on right now to what I'm doing and this is it. And your coach should be like, okay, we'll stay here for a little bit. but if you're like, you know what? I think I can do it. Then they'll continue to reverse you. That's their job. We'll take care of that. I'll have somebody call you. I'll source it.

1:42:56Okay. That'd be awesome. I'm already prepping. Okay. It's Wisconsin here. It's obviously very nice today, but I'm okay going through the process of the winter season. This is what's cool. We're going to have someone call you, and then we're also going to do another follow-up call, which will be great. This will be fun for the audience to see where you were, what you heard and you didn't listen and then he came back and then we went through i will listen okay i promise i promise can i ask one one more question that's kind of sort of unrelated yeah um through this whole process like i have absolutely fallen in love with fitness and nutrition right like i feel like someone who follows you guys for a long time they kind of like feel that pull to like maybe make a career switch um and i am very interested in the nutrition side of things just with my background, my health history.

1:43:47And I'm a trained graphic designer. I'm in a graphic design studio. I'm already self-employed. But I feel like I want to make a pivot slowly, but I'm very interested in learning more about nutrition, taking the courses, maybe taking on some clients. I'm wondering if you guys have any advice for me, like, or for somebody in general, like making a career change and jumping into this space. Yes, yes. So actually, actually working with a coach is going to be the best thing you can do right now. Watch how they coach you. That process will be like a mentorship for you. So just doing it with them personally.

1:44:19That becomes even more important now. Yeah. So cool. You're going to see what the process looks like for sure. Here's something else, Amber. I want to tell you something. If you don't do what we tell you perfectly, that's okay too. I know. This is not a game of perfect. This isn't going to chastise you for anything. No, it's hard. It's really hard. Hey, that's actually part of accepting this process too is that you're probably going to have some pitfalls along the way. That's okay. That tomorrow's the next day and we're on. That's part of the coaching is that after you go through this coaching process, because I agree with Sal, this will be some of the best teaching process for you if you're considering career switch.

1:44:55Then the next level to that, since I know that it was Graves' disease, is that what it was? Yeah. So Dr. Cabral has a really good thorough certification in functional medicine, which is if you want to move in that route. Now, it's pretty heavy and it's a lot. So I wouldn't recommend it at first. So the first thing to do is go through this with a trainer. I think you're going to get a lot from that. And that, but you want to go, if you want to move in that direction where you help people with autoimmune type stuff, like he's, he's the guy, that's what he does is he certifies coaches and trainers and they're really, really good at what they do.

1:45:28One last thing, April, this is what it's going to feel like, uh, at the end of this, it's going to feel good and relaxed. It's not going to be a stressful process because this whole time you've been doing this and you're trying to follow what you're supposed to do and you listen and it's a stressful process it's not you can't stress yourself into better health it doesn't work that way so what it's going to feel like at the end of this is feel it's going to feel good and relaxed you're going to rest in it it's not going to be like like you're gripping on to things with your with your fingernails at the end of the rainbow you're going to have the body you want and eating double the calories you ever ate that's what's gonna that scares me though because because i eat so much so i'm trying to think like what high calorie weight don't worry wait till you start building muscle watch when you start putting that muscle's hungry hungry you put we put five pounds of muscle on you which is not a crazy you put five pounds on you are gonna be hungry you'll see you'll see okay so don't worry yeah don't worry about that okay cool well have someone call me and we'll keep this train going you're gonna be on again all right april okay sounds good all right thank Thank you guys.

1:46:35Take it easy. Bye. That's good. I'm glad we had her back on. I know. I'll tell you what. I'm glad she had the courage to come back on and say I didn't do what you guys said. Yeah, that takes courage for sure. That does because most people would be like, I don't want to tell these guys I didn't take any of their advice or whatever. Well, I'm really glad because I felt like she was confused by the way you kept digging at that, but I'm so glad you did because you think in that mindset and you're so right. She had all the same knowledge she had last time, yet she still did it. You knew better. You still did it.

1:47:04So what makes you think when we go for three weeks and all of a sudden you have a rough week where you feel fluffy? Which you're going to have. Or somebody makes a comment or you see the way you look at an outfit you don't like and you go, oh, my God, this isn't working. And you bail. Like, why wouldn't you? Because you have the same knowledge now as you did then. It's got to be trust. Yeah. So, you know, I think it was important for her to hear, see, go through that because I think she was like, well, of course I'm going to follow you guys. Because I already – No, not of course. Yeah. In her head, she's thinking, of course.

1:47:34because it's going to suck. And I don't mean it's going to suck because it's not going to work. It's going to suck because you're going to be uncomfortable. You're going to be very uncomfortable and you're going to want to default back to what you did before. So the difference isn't the knowledge. All patterns are comfortable. That's right. The difference is going to be like, I'm going to accept the fact that this is going to be hard and I'm not going to be comfortable. That's the difference. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. We'll see you at Mind Pump Media. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump.

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