2746: Daily Activity Hacks That Actually Burn Fat

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Mind Pump Episode 2746: Daily Activity Hacks That Actually Burn Fat

Episode Overview In this episode, the hosts of Mind Pump, Sal Di Stefano, Adam Schafer, and Justin Andrews discuss practical hacks to increase daily activity that can lead to fat loss and overall health. They also touch on personal updates, listener coaching calls, and various topics related to fitness and health.

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Key Topics Discussed

Daily Activity Hacks for Fat Loss
Importance of Movement: Discussed a meta-analysis showing that daily activity is the best predictor of longevity, even surpassing factors like smoking and diabetes.
Simple Hacks:
Encouraging clients to add small movements throughout their day.
Suggestions included parking farther away, using stairs, and setting reminders to promote activity.

Personal Updates
Training and Nutrition for Kids: The hosts share their experiences of training their teenage kids and addressing their nutritional needs.
Kratom Withdrawal: Adam shares his journey and recovery from kratom addiction, discussing the challenges and mental health aspects involved.

Listener Coaching Calls
Call Insights:
The first listener asks about combining MAPS programs with GLP-1 medications.
Another discusses the best MAPS program for a stay-at-home mom struggling with sleep.
Additional calls touch on muscle development in home gym setups and coaching clients on reverse dieting.

Other Topics
AI Consciousness Discussion: Brief commentary on emerging discussions about AI and consciousness sparked by recent events.
Thanksgiving Reflections: The hosts share their holiday experiences, emphasizing family connections and festive moments.

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Key Takeaways

Movement's Impact on Longevity: Regular daily activity can significantly enhance health and longevity, more so than traditional health markers.
Micro-Hacks for Daily Activity: Small, manageable changes can lead to substantial increases in daily movement without requiring large time commitments.
Coaching Strategies:
Coaches should focus on building trust with clients, especially in the context of reverse dieting or when introducing new approaches to nutrition.
Be prepared to address clients' fears and misconceptions regarding dietary changes.

Personal Growth and Community Support: Sharing personal experiences can foster a sense of community and support, especially when discussing struggles and journeys in fitness and health.

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Recommendations

Programs: The hosts recommend their own MAPS programs, particularly MAPS 15 Strong, for easy integration of fitness into busy lifestyles.
Resources: They provide links to studies and further reading about the importance of daily activity and the effects of strength training on health.

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Transcript

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2:55Huge meta-analysis just showed that the best predictor for all-cause mortality was daily activity. That's right. Daily activity predicted whether or not somebody would live or die better than anything else, including things like diabetes and smoking and age. It's insane. It's just moving. Moving will solve almost everything. It's as simple as that. How does it compete with muscle? Well, muscle, you mean strength? Yeah, I mean, that's your best correlate. So strength is a correlate, right? Yeah. So that's a great predictor. But the best predictor that they came up with. So better than strength.

3:36It's just activity. Wow. Yeah, so what they found is that people, this was a huge, huge study, 3 ,000 people. And it was people that moved. People that move the most predicted how long you would live, followed by age, followed by mobility problems, followed by self-assessed health, diabetes, and smoking. Right, because he did grip strength, to your point, right? Yes. Before is a predictor. But grip strength is also good. It's great. And that's an easy test to do at the doctors, right? It is. But movement, you're saying, is even better. So, okay, what was the parameters? Or what would be considered someone who moves a lot?

4:16The more the merrier in the study. Now, these are not athletes that they were measuring, so I know you could go way off, but there was people who just... Because I imagine there's a huge difference between the 80-year-old who gets 2 ,000 steps a day, which is somewhat active still for an 80-year-old, to the 80-year-old who gets 10 ,000 steps a day. I mean, that's five times the amount of activity, and you're still not doing a crazy... 10 ,000 steps is a crazy amount. It's very realistic. It's super doable. Yeah, if you live a healthy life or you live somewhere that you have to walk to the grocery store or do things like that, go to the park, do the things.

4:54And so it'd be interesting to see the comparison of the elderly that did only 2 ,000 steps or less and then did 8 ,000. Well, it's the purpose, right? What it was was they took the groups and they moved them into categories of these people moved the most, these people moved in the middle, these people moved the least. the people that were in the group that moved the most did the best did the best across the board okay so it's it's an it's an incredible safeguard it's so powerful that offset things like smoking and diabetes yeah just moving it makes me wonder though if i'm sorry to do this i know with your studies um i just want to not trying to poke holes i'm just i'm just trying to like because i would imagine uh the person the ones who also move the most are probably also more likely to probably doing some strength training too.

5:44Of course. No, no, no. So strength training would be considered in there with activity. The reason why strength training is so valuable is it's very protective for the minimal amount of time spent doing it. So you could do, like we have a new program that's out, MAPS 15 Strong. So this is 15 minutes a day of strength training. That's enough to get the benefits of strength training, a majority of the benefits. Yeah. To get the muscle, metabolism boost, it's also very protective. so in terms of time spent versus return strength training wins that being said uh you you want to move you want to move throughout the day you don't want to just strength train for 15 minutes and then sit all day long you're way better than if you didn't but yeah and i know i know like community and relationships is a massive part of like living longer as well and and that speaks if you're going to be more active you're going to be out doing things you're going to be meeting people you're going to be going places like i think a lot of it too is like people get isolated and become hermits and and you know it's it's sort of a spiral where they're not going to want to leave the house they're not going to get up out of their chair and so it's just like the the health declines pretty rapidly my point of bringing up the the strength training because with the the high volume of movement people is that i bet there's a correlate there that those are not because uh working out is a lot of steps because it's not just to your point you could do a 15 minute strong workout and not even add a thousand steps to your no you'll get a significant amount but my point is and we've talked about this on the podcast before look at your own behavior you're probably a less better or less example because you're so consistent but there it's very obvious to me when i straight train i just move more all day long yeah like i i'm more like i used to talk about how it charges me up yeah i when i come home for if i train today like i plan to i am more likely when i come not more like i almost certainly when i get home will be more active around cleaning the house and helping katrina out than is if i don't and i get home i'm almost certainly going to plop down on the couch and not move and so i would think that these people obviously the study shows that people with all this activity or just general activity are much healthier than the people that don't.

7:59But what I'm saying is I bet there's also another correlate in there that is, those are the people that are probably also most likely lifting weights too. They're the most likely to do a lot of things if you're moving. So there's a lot of connections to it. But across the board, if you look at like societies or cultures where there is a lot of smoking, but there's also a lot of movement, they live longer than areas where there's not a lot of smoking. Countries in a bit. I mean, look at Europe. There are places in Europe. You go to the Mediterranean. People talk about how Mediterranean, what this, that, and the other.

8:32And they'll talk about the food being healthier. Even in areas where they're eating higher processed food and stuff, they smoke like where they move a lot. Look at cities in America versus suburbs oftentimes, right? So living in an area where, like San Francisco, for example, driving a car is so inconvenient because the roads are just finding park. It's a pain in the butt. Everybody walks. So they live longer because everybody walks, everybody moves. So activity has this incredible power over your overall health. The problem is this. The problem is that our lives have been so organized to take away movement that we now have to discuss, which is why I wanted to bring this up.

9:15I wanted to talk about hacks or ways that we would help our clients increase daily activity? Because you could get on a treadmill and walk for an hour and a half a day, and that'll do it, but that requires you taking an hour and a half and scheduling and doing, like, do you guys have hacks that you gave your clients that would help improve or increase their daily activity? And let's talk about those, just so that it's a realistic, it's something that people can do that's realistic that they can apply to their everyday life. I actually wish I remember who I could credit this to because I don't know who I got it from.

9:47I just remember I started doing this really early. I was only 21 or so as a trainer and got this idea from somebody with these little sticky circles. Yeah, like Post-its. Yeah, they're just like little stickers. They would be colored like blue, green, yellow. They're stickers. And I found this worked really well with each client. And I would individualize it for the client. So if I had a client that struggled with drinking enough water, blue sticker would stand for a glass of water. If I had a client that we were trying to get better at push-ups, it would be push-ups for another client. If it was a client that I was trying to increase steps, it would be go for a 10-minute walk.

10:29It would be something like that. And then I would have them place these colored stickers strategically through their house. And the deal we made is like, hey, every time you come across the sticker, do the thing. So when you see the – so maybe by the fridge was the blue one. And so every time you - It's like 10 squats. Yeah, exactly. So they all had these little things. And they loved it. I think they loved maybe the gamification of it. Like now that I understand that, I didn't understand that when I did it. You know what I'm saying? I was just trying to create better habits and a reminder from them.

11:01But that was a bit of a hack. Like it worked really well. I think the science and stuff that we know about gamification of apps and stuff like that, like how valuable it is, I think I was gamifying their fitness before that was a thing. Yeah. And so it was a great hack. It was a great hack. And the trick, in my opinion, is to not, you don't make it like an overwhelming task. Because if it's an overwhelming task, they'll look at the sticker and be like, F this. So it needs to be like so simple that if they cross it seven times in a day, they're not going to be like, that was, I'll never do that again.

11:34It needs to be something very basic. And when I figured that out and did that, it was a great little hack to create more movement. One that I did, and this was during the days of the body bug. So this was like one of the first trackers. Oh, yeah. And it would track activity and give you this kind of loose estimate of how many calories you're burning. But it was one of the first accurate movement trackers. This was before the watches and stuff that now are so easy. And what I would tell my clients, and I was shocked, to be quite honest, at how effective this was because I had heard this communicated many times before, and I kind of downplayed it.

12:12I'd hear it communicated as a trainer. I'm a young trainer. I'm a young dude. I'd be like, that's not going to do much. That's nothing. Then I had these body bugs on my clients and I had them start doing this and I'm like, wow, this makes a big difference. And it was this. When you're going to the store, park far away. When you're at work and you need to use the bathroom, use the bathroom on the second floor. So go up the stairs. When you're at home and you need to use the bathroom, use the one that's the furthest away from you. Uh, like little dumb, every time you park somewhere, park far away instead of right next to it.

12:45Uh, and this would add up to thousands of steps a day. Yeah. And it was literally stuff that the, I felt this really end of the week is what you're totally, that's not just a daily thing. It's like, what does that accumulate towards the end of your week? That's right. And it was effective because it was just part of their normal day and it didn't take that much time. It's like, okay fine i go to the mall and i park far away versus right up to the store how much extra time am i really taking out of my day with it's not a ton but it adds up in terms of um activity yeah so that was one of them the other one was for my office workers people that sat at a desk is i would have them every hour they would stand up and move a little bit and i'd tell them hey stand up and walk around the office and come back to your desk every hour and it was it's trivial it seems trivial but it actually added up to a decent amount of activity.

13:36And what they would report back is their improvement in productivity. I've tried, yeah, a few of those techniques. And even to your gamification point, like having alarms and like specific things like that would prompt them. And so we would set it up like, okay, when do you normally have a gap? And then we'd set it up just to, you know, and it's annoying at first because it's like one of those things that, you know, it definitely alarm goes off and it's like, okay, I got to do this. And it was either, you know, get up and do like a 10-minute walk. Or what I found actually that was a little more effective was I started to kind of prescribe more get up and then, you know, clean your kitchen, clean your house.

14:17Get outside, do some yard work, you know, then do a 10-minute walk. Or like you have like – because you're not always just going to get up and go do a walk, but you can always get up and clean and do something. And I always found, dude, you create so much movement and activity while you're cleaning your house. It's insane. Yeah. You ever get those reports from us? What you both are saying right now, this is funny to me because if you've listened to the podcast long enough, you can go back to hearing me where I was like Mr. Wearable out of all of us. Yeah. This is why I was so pro-wearable. And all I care, I don't give a shit about the burned calorie part.

14:57It was the steps and the activity level. And it was about bringing an awareness. That's it. I found that just simply making the client aware of their ebb and flow of activity. And I think anyone listening right now, if you've never done this, it will surprise you. You will wear it for a week and go, oh, shit. I didn't know that's what my whatever day looks like. And just becoming aware of that, you now are like, okay, I now see. and most people not everybody but most people have at least one or two days where there's massive discrepancy yeah massive like we usually the weekends that's right usually the weekends but some people are different some people have like a weird job that they do something different on mondays there's there's always though of every client had at least one or two days that had a massive discrepancy and i'm talking like thousands and thousands more of steps which is more than you would even accumulate in a full hour workout and so once i made a client aware of that and we we would set these just very reasonable goals like let's say like including their two horrible days and the rest of the week being good their average came out to be 7 000 steps a day i'd say okay goal is now we don't ever let a day go by you don't get 9 000 just a just a little bump there and then and then and then giving them ideas to your point justin like i do this to myself it's like there is always a garage floor to be mopped a backyard to be cleaned up a storage unit to be organized you know what i'm saying like side of the house to be pressure washed i mean there is always labor by the way what you're doing and then you feel good about it this is i was just okay this is what makes what you just said so powerful is what you've done is you've increased the value or added value to something that you probably want to do a mundane task right so you're like Like, I don't know if I'm motivated to do it, but now you've added a new value to it and you're killing two birds with one stone.

16:53You're accomplishing more tasks while being more active. By the way, here's what's important about this. This is what's cool about this. And this is true for strength training as well. You'll get about 80 % of the benefits of activity with about 8 ,000 steps a day. After that, you start to get diminishing returns. Now, that doesn't mean you don't get more value at 10 ,000 or 15 ,000 steps. You do, but the bulk of the value that you get from moving is around 8 ,000 steps. With strength training, the bulk of the value that you're going to get from strength training is about two 45-minute decent strength training workouts a week.

17:30Okay? So 80 % of the value that you can get from exercise, activity, and strength training looks like two 45-minute, like, decent intensity strength training workouts and about 8 ,000 steps a day. Or to put it differently, 15 minutes a day of strength training, two lifts a day, just like our 15 series. So we have MAPS programs that are this kind of series of 15, 15 minutes each. We just came out with MAPS 15 Strong, so it's based off of the MAPS Strong program except the 15-minute version. If you did that, that's about 80 % of everything you would get from strength training is right there, plus 8 ,000 steps a day, about 80 % of the value of activity, which is significantly more than most people are going to get.

18:12Plus novel lifts that your body's going to respond to. That's right. Yeah, there's so many benefits. By the way, 80 % of all the benefits you could want from activity and strength training is a lot. Everybody would be happy. It's a lot. Everybody would be like, wow. In fact, most people would say, I don't want more. Putting more into this to get the extra 5%, 10%, it's actually not worth it. My quality of life is amazing. This is why, I mean, in my opinion, everybody should start there and build that consistently before you decide to sign up for the other 20%. Well said, because what that implies is if I do more, I'll get faster results.

18:55No. What I'm saying is you will eventually hit a limit of 80 % of all the potential value. But to get there faster, you could do a lot within that. Right. probably for a couple years. In other words, a big mistake people hear is they hear like, oh, that's 80%. Oh, I'll choose the program that is the max potential program and I'll get there faster. No, you won't. And not only will you not get there faster, but you're more likely to quit, fail, or get hurt. That's right. So you're far better off committing that. Okay, you know what? I'm going to commit to this, what they're saying 80 % lifestyle is.

19:31I'm going to do these 15 minute workouts for a week or like you said, two 45 minute low strength training workouts. And I'm going to get my steps up to 8 ,000 steps. Go commit to that. Go do that for at least six months, minimum six months, and watch the benefits that you reap from that. Then if you go like, man, I'm just loving this fitness thing. I wish I could be in the gym longer, or I want to walk longer. Go for it. But commit to that first and reap that 80 % first, and then pay attention to how you feel, how you look, how everything's going. and then you can decide to add more. And then guess what?

20:06You know, it's beautiful because you stayed there. Boy, when you add just a little bit, you're going to see great results. You will. And you'll progress, by the way. You're going to progress consistently for a while. I just had this conversation, this exact conversation with my daughter and my niece. So I have a, my niece is 18. My daughter's 16. I've been training them in my garage about two or three days a week consistently. And they're both really getting into it, which is really exciting for me. So awesome, yeah. Oh, I love it. Like, how do I know they're getting into it? They're coming to me saying, hey, can you train us today?

20:38And then they're saying things like, how fast can I get strong? How much muscle can I build in this period of time? It's only, it's been 30 days. Why don't I see results yet? And I'm breaking everything down. Like, this is how it works. And you know, I'm like, it takes longer and you are stronger than you were a month ago. And let's keep a journal so you can see for yourself. And so we're having all these wonderful conversations. And I talked about this 80%. And of course they're like, well, what if we just did more won't we get there faster? I said, no, uh, you won't get there faster. What I'm saying is, is you will reach your 80 % of potential with this.

21:10Not that you're going to move at 80 % speed. In fact, if we do this appropriately, we'll get there faster with this approach. And this is exactly what I said. And so what we're doing is we're doing the 15 minutes a day type protocol, or you can take them all and put them on two days. If, if, if that works better for you, strength training plus activity then we talked about uh protein intake of course because they're teenage girls and i was trying to illustrate to them how much protein they needed to eat so it's so funny too to see them at dinnertime how much grams of protein is this and is this enough i'm like well what else did you eat today they're like dude don't you find yeah this 15 minute protocol so perfectly matched for like teenagers or two like in in obviously spaced out not necessarily back to back to back to back like like adults would do it but yeah i've been introducing this to ethan and he's he's really taking off you know doing the big lefts and just focusing on like two and just like you know grinding that out um it's funny over the break i was uh i got myself involved again in a project with school because like everett he has this elective and he's he's has to do some project he decided to do a pond and i'm like what i'm like what a pond he literally started digging a hole at your house at my house yeah i'm like i would love for him to come here i'm trying to do that at my house bro i'm like bro you want to put it to work yeah but what do you do with the pot you just dig a hole and fill it with water it's gonna turn into like mosquito no yeah exactly so you got to filter it no it's like it's it's it's involved like and so i had to get involved because like you know i got to go home depot i'm like grabbing all this stuff i have no idea i've never done this before and like he's obviously going off of stuff he's learned you know in class but like his you know his teacher just gives him little bits and then he researches on youtube and so i'm just kind of going based upon what he's giving me i'm so i'm so pumped about this right now because if you learn how to if he learns how to do this well i will hire him and pay him to do it at my house i haven't made my bro come on why not i mean yes i don't want him to screw it up i'm doing a lot of it just won't be there too yeah yeah i'm I got to oversee him.

23:17This is bullshit. I got to dig in Adam's yard. I'm for sure. Is this with shovels? Are you guys just using straight up shovels? What else would I use? Yeah, yeah. No, he dug it all himself. My issue is I'm trying to let him do as much of it as possible because this is his school project. Bro, digging a pond with just a hand shovel? That's a lot of work, dude. No, it's like a real shovel, dude. It doesn't be a huge pond, right? I mean, how deep do you have to make the pond? It's not a massive pond. It's like two feet or so deep. How wide? Yeah. It's like four. You know, it's not huge. That's exactly what I'm looking for.

23:52Yeah. It's just small. But. You want to put koi in there? What are you going to do? So, I mean, I had to learn how to like, we built this, our own filter. And so, like, you use like lava rock and all these like. Yeah. And you put in this type of fiber screen in there. And so, I'm like trying to figure out plumbing. Like I know some bit of plumbing, but then like I've never done like to where, you know, so, so we have the pump that's in there and it's sucking it up and then like filtering it out and then kicking it back in. And so half the time, like we're in the hardware store and we're like trying to fit pieces together and like trying to make it look like it's going to work.

24:30And it's fun, dude. I'm having a lot of fun with it, but I like, you realize like you're buying little parts here. Oh, that's just like, you know, 20 bucks. Oh, that's just like 50. By the time I'm like, oh my God, this is like three, 400 bucks we've already put into this thing, dude. I'm like, this is for school. Like I, like I remember just doing projects where I'm like 15 bucks and my parents would get pissed off. I don't want to buy the poster board. Yes. Here I am buying like cardboard boxes, like river rock. And like, I'm all trying to like make it look cool. I'm like, ah, man. How have you been with your boys?

25:04because i was talking earlier about my daughter and my my niece getting them to hit protein is so hard for kids yeah uh i introduced them to the the crisp power because snacking is so easy you know they're getting 27 grams of protein whatever per bag have you introduced that to your boys i brought some back well that one day that we had a few bags and and uh ethan immediately like took them and we never saw him again yeah and he just does that he's he's on a mission right now to gain mass and so between that and um also to creatine gum and he's you know like from like legion we had a few of those where he started to kind of consistently take it and he wasn't you know because he'll like stuff for flavor and he'll eat it occasionally but like he's actually like every day i've been watching him and he's like diligent about taking it as like a dose and then he's like okay and he'll go downstairs and he'll do a little yeah i love it dude it's it's creating a monster i love it i gotta read you guys uh uh an article a post that was so thought-provoking to me that i'd love your guys's opinion on it this was um uh what's his name is his name brett brett weinstein you guys know he is right okay so he was on i think he was on rogan's podcast recently a couple times yeah someone wrote someone basically summarized i'm gonna read the summary and i'd love your guys's opinion i thought this was just like it blew my mind so this is what he said.

26:30He said, for the first time in 300 ,000 years of human evolution, we remove the cost from the single biggest reward nature ever invented, sex and pair bonding. So reliable birth control plus abortion means you can now cash the evolutionary lottery ticket without paying the 20 year mortgage of pregnancy, diapers, sleepless nights, and college funds. The result, an entire generation of 18 to 35 year olds walking around with the energy, libido, hormones, and protective instincts that evolution spent millions of years calibrating for child rearing with zero children. So that energy didn't disappear.

27:05It just got redirected. So this observation is that young women especially began treating ideologies the exact way evolution wired them to treat babies. So because they didn't have kids, which they're wired to have this mama bear, because you guys are, you know how your wives are with the kids. This mama bear protective. So now you've got this whole generation of young women, no kids. It's getting now directed towards things like climate change, social justice, or whatever the cause of the month is. And it gets defended with the mama bear ferocity. The same neurochemistry that once guarded a toddler from predators now guards an abstract idea from wrong think.

27:43So here's the second part to this. Elon is talking about how AI is going to give us so much abundance that things are going to be basically free. like sex became in the 70s with birth control. So now both of evolution's primary carrots, mating and resource acquisition, suddenly cost almost nothing. So his question is, when producing and protecting actual children is no longer the central organizing principle of adult life, and when creating wealth is no longer required for status, security, or attracting a mate, what is left to give human life direction, meaning, and structure? Crazy observation.

28:21like what's that's going to be like when when men now are going to lose or people are going to lose that drive to create because they don't need to yeah what is that going to be like well yeah and it wasn't there recently i don't know if it's in china but they started working on like artificial wombs yes and that was becoming a thing to where you could have extract eggs place them in this artificial womb so they didn't have to go through the whole process yeah what a crazy observation though right like like you separate this the reward of sex from what you get with it but you still have the instincts to protect which is correct and then you're now we're going to separate work and having to produce from the need to uh-huh uh i think we're entering into a i mean weird time to potentially poke holes in his opening statement though uh i mean doug could with a quick Google search could probably look up what percentage of, you know, people that lead climate change and all the other ones that you listed are childless women.

29:26And it would need to be a significant percentage of that for that to carry weight, in my opinion. If it's like, if you look at political ideologies that strengthen it. Well, I know, I know that, I know that that is, that's one of the strongest correlates as far as like, that's where they lean. But I mean, they would need to be a large majority of that movement to say that that's what they're all doing. Well, it's the greatest, the, the, the, the percentage of people that strongly identify in that direction, uh, fit in that category. And it's a big disparity. So that's where he's pulling from. He's pulling from that data.

30:00So when you look at, uh, you know, young women in that age category, a dramatic, a huge percentage of them, uh, move in that direction. And so his, what the argument is is that yeah that that drive that drive because look uh i don't know it's a huge percentage are you looking up done yeah they don't have stats on that really but um the climate activists are predominantly white female progressive age 50 and above middle class some that doesn't tell me no it doesn't tell you a lot but i i think it's interesting and i think it's i mean no it's a it's a i think it's a it's a great discussion nonetheless but i would just I mean, he tied something together right away that's like, I don't know if I buy fully into that.

30:41That's who's driving that movement and for those reasons. But I do buy into or agree with, which I've been saying for a very long time, that we are going to be in a really weird situation when we pretty much can have everything we want. And to add to that another layer of complexity is we have these devices now that can just put us to sleep. I mean that we're zombies. I mean the algorithms on these that suck you in and pull you in to be – whether you're on gaming or social media, you add that with also getting and having everything you want. Like where's the drive to do anything going to come from?

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31:25I think a good analogy we might be able to use just because of our experience, imagine if you separated the results that you would get from being consistent with fitness and discipline around nutrition. Well, we might see that, right? From the work. We might see that. Like the newest GLP-1. What would that produce, right? What would that produce if people could just get the results without any of the… Marbled muscle fat people. Even if you got everything exactly the same physically. Would we just evolve to idolize something else? Well, we always do. Right. So wouldn't we just evolve to idolize something else most likely?

32:09I think it would become hedonistic treadmills what would happen. It would just be hedonistic. I mean, it already is that. Yeah. It already is that. You just would pull something out and remove something else out. And so, you know, would it be the person who has the greatest garden now? You know, because you have all these resources, but who goes and makes the prettiest? I mean, we'll find something. We will find something. I mean, we're always the explorers, right? So for me, it just points to places we haven't really tapped into, which is the space and the ocean. Oh, you're going to go there.

32:41I'm trying to set you up here. You've been dying to go there. Justin's dying to go there. So what is this documentary? You haven't watched it. I can't believe you. No, no, no. The Age of Disclosure. You're a terrible conspiracy theorist. I know, I don't have time. You're terrible. So tell me about this. You lose your title. I don't know how to title. It's called Age of Disclosure. Age of Disclosure. Okay. Yes. And it's supposed to be like Oscar winning. It's going to be one of the best. Okay. So you both watched it. Well, mainly it's because they have all these verified, like, high position government officials and military, you know, speaking out and like on record, like, to a lot of these accounts.

33:20before you guys tell me because i don't watch it can i tell you what my theory is yeah let me hear your theory and then i'll tell you here's my theory my theory is uh because we've witnessed these ufos they seem to move outside of the laws of physics as we understand them yes they're interdimensional yes i'm on point do you want to hear how they how they explain it actually oh well i think it's i think i mean i'll go the spiritual route that's what i would say no no that's not what they go they so they they believe they can i mean they they have a scientific theory and that it's moving using quantum physics and it moves within a bubble of energy.

33:58And the energy is so powerful it could power the entire United States five times over. And they've already had people that... Matter just moves around it. Yes, matter moves around it and it moves within the bubble which is why it can keep the same speed outside of water, through water and out and then out into space because it's moving within... So what's this documentary? just a bunch of dude it is over like interviews and videos 35 or 34 extremely high 80 years huh 80 years yeah yeah for 1940 something was the first documented thing and here's here's why we haven't heard there's so many things that like blew my mind and changed my theory so if you listen to the show long enough you've heard me my theory was this is all a government ploy for because most everybody is on to all the fake wars that we've been doing for the last 40 years.

34:48At least now we are. We weren't then. We are starting to wake up at least. Wouldn't you agree? Yeah. Okay. So I feel like that's the consensus. So we need a new bad guy. So we need a new bad guy. And who better than space, which we can't prove, we can't see, you know, whatever. Like, let's make the bad guy out there and then let's funnel all the trillions of dollars in that. So now we're going to do Space Force. Exactly. Like, literally. Still a valid theory. Exactly. I haven't a fully abandoned it. They can still use it to get that. Well, yeah, the government will still govern. So you're right.

35:20You're both right. I don't leave that like, oh, now we're not going to spend it. Oh, we'll still spend money there. Even more so now. But now you believe that there's an actual phenomenon happening. Yes. After seeing these stories and the credible people and then hearing how it's all unfolded. So this is how they protect it. It's compartmentalized. Crazy. So they always scratched my head. It's like, come on. how could have all these presidents and all these people come through and everybody kept their mouth shut. And there's like, this is how's, how's that for this long? So they defer to a private company to hold all of this so that they don't have to disclose it.

35:56So they don't have to disclose it. So the government doesn't, they don't even know, they don't know. It's the private company who's in charge of all the proof and information and only very, very high level people in military and cia and whatever right have seen some of this information that's classified that they have to sign and i just close your secret uh programs like like they disrupt the actual programs the government is running so i don't try and i don't think it's reverse engineer i don't think it's interdimensional aliens i think it's uh i think it's demons that's what i think i think if you look at like that's like the tucker carlson take well if you look at biblical stories even.

36:34When you research alien abductions, which as a kid I did all the time, there's a spiritual component. They speak to you telepathically. There's oftentimes a sexual component where they're either doing something to you or they're mating with you, creating a hybrid, which talks about in the book of Genesis, talks about they have some kind of technology. In many of the cases, a significant percentage of cases, when the person who's being abducted simply says the name Jesus, the alien is gone or goes away. So I think it's demons. Okay, so I don't think it's that at all. Okay. And more of the stuff that blew my mind, that like how we've been so quiet with this, is where these things show up and when they started showing up.

37:22Military bases. They started showing up the day we started nuclear war and started building nuclear bombs. There's reports of it before that though. No. that's the first heavy reporting from it where there was some proof and then they all first of all i didn't even know we had this many base military bases all over the united states they all their hundreds of sightings happen hovering over the nuclear weapon just watching just watching in fact they have footage of shooting a rocket this thing hovering over it shooting a beam through it here shooting being here it's doing here and then being able to take off on it like it looks like and and as our nuclear power has in technology has increased the frequency that they visit has increased at that same exact rate they've actually dismantled uh they did and there's also like missing 20 uh nuclear warheads right yes yeah uh and after these sightings and i'm not fearful because they seem to be friendly because we fired at them and they don't retaliate yeah can you believe that we fired we're fired of course we did in the sky yes we and they call it like nuclear testing in the atmosphere right but they literally shot like these missiles in you ever seen UFOs you know this reminds me have you ever seen those videos where like we're flying like a plane over uh like a like a tribe that's never seen technology and they throw a spear at us oh yeah that's exactly how I think they look at us like I literally think it's like laughable that that we're so far beyond their your technology i mean the reality is if if if that's real uh and they wanted to take us over they could easily with that kind of technology well so that's to me what it seems like from the from watching the documentary right is that they're paying attention to as we continue to progress with things that could kill ourselves and they will only intervene in that point where it's like where we're at that point or where we actually have enough technology where we could actually do anything harmful to them and so they're just keeping a close eye but it's like they have no intention to they would have hurt us a long time ago if it was about hurting us i do think it's internet interdimensional demons that's what i think i don't know why i don't really know the thing but yeah it's it i think it's it's interesting because like these reports are are pretty valid and they're backed up and um you know there's a lot of like undisclosed evidence that they're holding on to like they were the thing is like how long how like how long has this persisted and you see like throughout like history you see depictions of it and ways that they point to it and everybody's kind of disregarded a lot of like old ancient like depictions of it and paintings and because Because that's ridiculous, right?

40:13Like we shouldn't know about this like that long ago. And the thing is like they're speculating that we've been able to successfully reverse engineer now certain things. And that's why we're starting to see it emerge, but not everything. And so the latest race isn't AI. The latest race is because they know China has some. They know Russia has some crafts that they've recovered. recovered and and everybody's kind of simultaneously working is ferociously so here's my question so another thing supposedly a lot of our technology that we have has come from all okay so again if they're so smart and so advanced why would they allow us to recover a vehicle or aircraft and not take it back right it doesn't make any sense to me what makes sense to me or they allowed it that's right it would make sense to me a lot they're like these stories of i think they're They're literally timeline.

41:06They're allowing certain pieces of knowledge to drip into our culture. Again. You know, at certain stages. Look at the stories of demonic influence on the world and the technologies and what they cause. It makes perfect sense. Sure. I mean, that's, yeah, that's all. And by the way, it's just as crazy as your theory, so stop making those crazy. It's all crazy. Well, I'm trying to think of the guy's name, the one that first kind of came out about Area 51. Yeah. But he was trying to describe like their intention was, he said something about like looked at us as empty vessels. Yeah. And meaning, yeah, like basically we're vessels for souls.

41:50Yeah, exactly. What does it say? There you go. So just to give you that. A lot of the talk is very spiritual in nature. Nonetheless, the thing that I found so interesting is I didn't buy into none of this stuff forever. And they do. Well, to see that many credible, like I've always, at least my experience, because I don't go down the rabbit hole as much as you guys have watching a lot of that content. Most of the guys are kind of a little kooky. Of course. Like that are out there and it's like, of course, it's that guy who saw the aliens. But this is like high level, respectable military people saying things like, oh, there's no doubt.

42:28what i have seen and i think it's interdimensional and there's nothing going like okay i don't think it's a planet that we could travel to i think it's it's inter it's another dimension i think this is the motivation in my opinion for why they do things like these these these these hadron colliders and these crazy experiment you know shot nuclear missiles uh into the van eyes like radiation belt what yeah why i don't know i mean that's cool it's crazy i didn't know that i was like i think they're trying to see like if there was a way they could like get through you know because like let's be honest there's another conspiracy but like have we got how far we really got yeah well space there was i saw this video of this dad it's like freaking out because he's looking at the the moon landing yeah and when they take the first step and he's like yelling at the sun.

43:19Who's taking the video? If this is the first guy, who's taking the video? You're telling me there's another guy on the moon? Shenanigans, dude. And I'm like, wait a minute. I never thought of that. What's going on here? The moon is weird, too. You believe the moon? You believe in the moon? I know. How was everyone's break? It was great. Thanksgiving. I mean, we haven't seen each other in a hot minute. Everybody chill. I didn't chill at all. You just hosted a bunch. You get like 40 people. 40 people for Thanksgiving, dude. That was the biggest Thanksgiving I've ever been a part of. Really? Yeah.

43:53I mean, yeah. Sounds like that's a Sunday for me. But hosting is a big deal, bro. Oh, yeah. I mean. You guys host. You guys are over-the-top hosts, too. You don't just host. You're not like potluck. Yeah, I'm glad you pointed that out. Because that's another thing. Because I would. I would do it that way. I'm just like. I mean, I would. The house. We have enough space where it's just like people can find a place to eat. U.I.O.B. Yeah, it would be total. you guys do the whole like no no yeah katrina wants this like first of all that's her tradition is every year doesn't matter whose house is that she does the table and the table is a you know multi-week building affair of like figuring out the perfect color coordination the seating arrangement meeting with the party planner on the color scheme and the plates and the silver like Oh, wow.

44:42You did the whole thing. Oh, yeah. No, that's – so she does that normally anyway. In fact, there's one of my, you know, boys' days where I just take Max for a full day or weekend sometimes. It's her going to figure out the table. Like, that's a – Wow. Yeah. And then there's a day of all the girls get together and, like, all the desserts get made. That's a full day of everyone getting together. Wow. And there's another full day of coming and decorating – That's also nice. Oh, yeah. it's a lot dog i mean i'll say i i it was it was my favorite things i've ever had in my life really oh yeah my i mean my heart was there was a there was multiple times i caught myself emotional where i was like where i was taken back by by the moment i had i had most the team with me too you know that right i saw yeah so i had i had a lot of the trainers uh with me we that all the ones that were not flying back home or had family here uh i i brought to my house so that's part of how we got to 40 so it wasn't just my family um and so there was a point there and so one of the things that has always bothered me about uh katrina's family thanksgivings when we have them everybody else's house is they aren't sports people so they don't watch football so it's not on the tv football football and thanksgiving is like to me that's part of that going on yeah we had to hack that like me and my brother-in-law like he brought this projector and we just put it against the wall and it made it happen.

46:10I was so happy. So prior Thanksgivings, I carry around this little TV. I bring it and plug it in somewhere, you know what I'm saying? Now that we can stream, I can do that. So I just connect to the internet and I kind of have it, but it's never a thing. You don't sit around. I don't have to put it outside or out of the way or whatever, but it's at my house and I got that big 100-inch and so football's playing 24-7. So there was a point. It was like the best moment for me. We had the beautiful table set out we just finished eating uh we've got most everybody circled around the fire obviously it's dark at this point the fire and all my fire things are lit and uh and cowboys are playing in the back i got my feet up at the fire my brother-in-law is playing the guitar and singing and just like oh that's nice oh my god so nice yeah yeah drinking my hand so that was good yeah so was it so the cowboys did so it was just uh uh a perfect cincinnati cowboys yeah exactly could have been could have been better uh couldn't have been better for me a lot of uh a lot of work though a lot of work to get into it a lot of work to clean it and do all that stuff like that but for that moment to to be taken back multiple times uh emotionally which is not normal for me and especially a situation like that I was like okay it's worth that how's your sleep by the way are you normal now no no I'm not normal you look healthy I'm getting well yesterday was my first workout yeah you look healthy So yesterday was my first workout.

47:39My routine now, I just actually opened my first energy drink. So I've moved to my green and red juice starting my mornings now. I feel kind of like you right now because I had to. I've gotten pretty consistent with all my supplements. Do you have a supplement bag? I do. Yeah. It's kind of like a big thing that I move around the house. You get a bag, bro. But I don't have – I'm going to need one with where I'm going. But I've actually been pretty consistent with all the stuff, mostly out of necessity because it makes a difference. You know, it's funny, just all honesty. I've never been a big supplement guy.

48:20I'm not consistent with it. We've talked since the beginning of this podcast, the big rocks. Of course. Eat well, sleep, train, stuff like that. But when your body is really messed up and really depleted, you feel that stuff. Anything makes a difference. Yeah, I mean, I can tell a difference when I take all the things, and I don't. And I think it obviously has a lot to do with what my body's recouping from, and so it's a trip. It also makes me feel good about, okay, this stuff is legit. I just read a huge study on developed nations. Nutrient deficiencies are way more common than people think. Way more common.

49:02Yeah. A majority of people would benefit from supplementing with some kind of a high quality multivitamin. A majority of people. Yeah, I believe. And it's just, here's the deal. First of all, our food isn't very nutrient dense. And even if you eat appropriately, it's hard to get all the nutrients you need with the amount of calories that are going to give you, that are going to make you healthy. You know, you had a 2 ,000 calorie diet, you're going to get 2 ,000 calories worth of nutrients, even if it's super healthy. And that typically means you're missing. some so i just read this huge study on it i i i firmly believe a good quality multivitamin is staple now yeah just well i just yeah i mean unless you're like completely whole foods based and even then even then you have to like we're deprived of a lot of the soil nutrients we used to get it yeah it's depleted we have to we almost it's necessary part of my goal from this whole situation is to is to maintain this kind of supplement stack of consistency that i've never been able to really do um you look really healthy dude i appreciate that because uh i don't quite feel there because of my sleep right although i you know my sleep score last night was i think the highest i've had which was 78 so for me that right now is that good that's amazing oh yeah no i was uh i mean i didn't i didn't know aura could score as low as what it did it's like you can you can apparently get you can apparently get single digits oh wow they were following you Yeah, yeah, yeah.

50:29No, it gets pretty. Yeah, no, you know what's so funny? It's so funny you just said that. I actually was like, I wonder if someone from Aura is going to call me soon. Because you're going to think that this guy has to be on his desk. Are you alive? You would think they would actually have some sort of a, like, because they have all that data. So they would think you'd have some sort of flag that goes off. Hey, if someone hits this many days at this rate. You get a phone call and you can pay extra for coaching. I mean, something. Like, wouldn't you think that there would be, like, some sort of, like, service?

50:57I mean, not that I wanted that at all. I didn't want that. But I mean, that crossed my mind. I'm like, there's got to be somebody on the other end that knows that I'm getting this horrific sleep or not any at all. Interesting. Yeah, right. It's like a business opportunity. I know. There is. There's an opportunity there for somebody to call that person and be like, hey, can I help you with your sleep? I see that you can sell products. You can sell coaching. Yeah, yeah. Interesting. Yeah, yeah. I learned something really interesting over the holidays. So I got, do you guys ever get the hiccups? Yeah.

51:28Okay. You ever had the hiccups that whether it's like two days worth where it's like on off like two days. Has it ever happened? Not in a million years. OK. OK. Rarely has ever happened to me. But it happened to me over the holidays where I had hiccups in the morning. Nothing I did made it go away. Finally, after a couple hours. Did you drink something too fast? I don't know. I think it was acid reflux. I think. Oh, yeah. Finally made it go away. And then it came back again. This happened like three or four times in one day. so frustrating it would last for like an hour and a half and it was just making me want to pull my hair out super frustrating the next day it was happening again and i'm on now i'm google i'm i'm on the internet and i know like drinking water holding your breath holding your breath is what typically would make it go away but just wasn't working you could also take a big gulp of water while hanging upside down yeah and that's always worked for me okay so that didn't work for me nothing was working so i'm like and i don't know why i randomly thought this is your big huberman he has like a protocol for that.

52:27Well, listen, it was really starting to piss me off, bro. Like when you're trying to talk, and then I was getting this fear like, what if they never go away? How am I going to podcast? What if they never go away? How am I going to be hiccuping on the podcast? Only you, bro. You know, two days worth? What if I never stopped hiccuping? Two days. How am I going to podcast on Monday? I lost my ability. Two days worth. It was frustrating. So I'm like looking it up. That would be annoying. I would scare you. I know it's related to the central nervous system. I know it's a reflex. Yeah. So I'm like, central nervous system, CNS, CNS.

52:57I just randomly looked this up. Can an orgasm stop hiccuping? There was the case of a man. So you convinced your wife? So you convinced your wife. I promised her I wouldn't tell that part. So we're not going to go there. I just kind of did that. There was a case. Honey, this is medicine. So I don't know. Because at this point, I'm like angry. I can't figure this out. You've got to save my life, honey. I'm holding my breath. You've got to save my life. I'm so mad. So I went online, and I looked that up. out of just hail mary like let me look this up and there was a case of a man who had hiccups for like 60 days would not stop would not stop doctors were trying to figure it out and it stopped after he had intercourse and had an orgasm so that can actually stop apparently apparently can stop hiccups because it resets the cns thank you jessica you saved the podcast no that's not what we did that's not what we did we didn't do anything i tried that one time with tooth pain i just looked it up what it works yeah whose tooth was there mine of course it's mine you didn't do the whole like yeah well let's try something yeah yeah you know in that you know that's funny when you in that moment of uh that kind of pleasure your pain um your ability to to i don't know if your perception of pain dramatically reduces that's i think that's dramatically yeah it was one of there's actually you can actually look it up it's pretty well it's one of the only things that gave me relief during this whole process but i only get it for like two minutes dude that's it two minutes afterwards i get this like you get the flood of the endorphins you know that and i actually would feel normal and feel feel good what'd you say no no he's not talking about how long it took him that's not what he said just super average he's saying after okay okay just is like wow that's twice as long wow good job wow how'd you last 30 seconds no i drug that part as long as I could because during that was the only time I felt okay too.

54:52No, it would be a trip though, the relief. The cold plunge would do that. The sex would do that. What else would do that? Like I'd have these moments. Slow hugs from Justin. No, that wouldn't quite do it. If it did, I would have held him. For sure. Rubbed his back a little. What if that did? Hey, what if that, hold on a second. What if he was like, we were like, guys, I need you guys to hold me. I wouldn't even ask. He would just hold you guys. He would just fucking lean into us. That's how bad it was? Yes, it was that bad. It was that bad? We would have held you, bro. Then I would have saved it, though.

55:26Don't film this. I can't wait to make fun of Adam after this. I mean, I wish. Poor Katrina, I mean, when I was going through that, she was just like, I wish I could do something for you. I'm like, well, there's only one thing you can do. And I can only do that, like, one time. And after that, I'm pretty much done. It's a one and done. Yeah, it's pretty much. That's it. You know what I'm saying? So you can help me with that, and then I'm on my own, I guess. But you're on the mend, bro. You're almost out. Yeah, yeah. It's been what? A month? Yeah, bro. Actually, this Wednesday, which is in two days, will be a month.

55:54Can you believe it's taken that long? Well, you were - Yeah, I was tip-top loser. I mean, talk about - Tip-top loser. Bro, I was. Like, what a shock. That's your hip-hop name? Yeah, dude. That was - I mean, of course, I've been - Still, to this day, I can't help myself. I'm still like researching and watching and like still trying to consume as much. And you said now, you said for sure it's Kratom is illegal in California. Yeah. Yeah. They're pulling them off all the shelves. They have been for a while now. I haven't been into, it's not like I've been into Look Forer. But not the freaking stronger version.

56:27Yeah. Not the 708. Super concentrated. I know. Not the one that'll kill you. Just remember I brought this up because you guys are going to see stuff on the news. You're going to be hearing stuff about it because there is no doubt all the people that were taking Kratom in California will. They're going to switch to the stronger stuff. 100 % they will. 100 % they will. That will be the direction. I mean, my DMs have been flooded all month. And so, first of all, if I haven't did it on the podcast, I mean, I really, it's been amazing. There's been a couple people that I got choked up and cried. They were like, people left voice messages that were really emotional and said some really, really nice things.

57:06Very, very supportive. Everybody was. Like I didn't get any, I didn't get any of the, like I had like some of my family were like, I can't believe you talked about that. Like, why would you do that to yourself? I said, you know what? Honestly. It'd probably give you a sense of purpose. I'm sure. You know. You hear from other people. Well, I mean, first of all, I mean, you know me. I'm just, I'm just who you asked me. I'm going to talk about it. I'm just, I'm going to be real. No matter what. Yeah. I'm not, I'm not afraid of the truth. So it's the truth. And we talk on this podcast. And so I wasn't going to lie about it or pretend.

57:36But everybody's been amazing. I mean, the amount of messages and what probably has made me feel the best about talking about it is the amount of people that have messaged me saying, oh, my God, your story, I'm quitting. I'm done. I'm not going to do it anymore. Or I had even some parents that were like, I'm so glad you talked about this. I had no idea. I know my son uses this or does this. And so I had parents that had their kids that were buying and using it. Again, you think nothing of it. It's a plant. It's an herb. You know what I'm saying? Unless you understand it's from the opiate family and acts on the opiate receptor, which is the same as Oxycontin or Vicodin or heroin, you just don't think like that.

58:21Or you rationalize like I did. It's like a tea. I'm fine. I'm not having that much. And so, yeah, the people that had said that. And I've had an overwhelming amount of joy and happiness during misery, which is so, so. That's spiritual. So, yeah, for 100%. Like it's, because I've had some people. Isn't that wonderful when you feel blessed during challenging moments? Well, you're doing the right thing and you get rewarded in a different way. It's just amazing. Yeah, yeah. And I really, because Katrina kept asking me, because the sleep has been really hard and stuff like that. And she checks in with me like, how are you doing?

59:02I know you haven't had any good sleep. Are you this? Are you that? And I'm like, you know, honestly, I've even accepted the terrible sleep for a while because I think all of it was necessary. The acute hard week was scary, miserable, rough type of deal. but even the long lasting effect it's like it's so easy for me to go like oh my god to have to go through those 30 days again like i don't i mean and even know that i'm not even completely out of it like yeah i don't that's there's not even a question of you know what i do know though going through this is like i could see where somebody else without the willpower would relapse because you start to feel like you're in the clear you know two three weeks you think oh i should be getting better i'm better now and then you have these really just rough nights where you still don't sleep or you don't do good and then you're like it'd be it'd be it'd be very easy like god i just need a little bit of relief let me do one my withdrawal was but i didn't i was using minimal but my withdrawal lasted it was two or three days of extreme fatigue that was it and then my withdrawal total maybe a week or two but it was pretty mild it wasn't can be comparison it felt to me terrible right when i hear your story i was like oh man i i went through nothing yeah Oh, I mean, just do the math on the difference.

1:00:20Yeah, I know. So it was whatever percentage that much worse. Yeah, I know. Based off of that. You had to win. Yeah. I mean, that part of me, I definitely felt like such a big loser when I seen like there's not – there's some people that obviously were doing harder stuff, obviously. But in the Kratom world, I couldn't find anybody that was doing more per day. Damn, bro. Yeah, yeah. Most people that, but I see what they did. Most people that got to that level went, the fuck am I doing doing 50 pills in a year? I'll just go over to the 70H and take three to five. Is that how strong it is? Yeah. Oh, yeah.

1:00:59Yeah. So someone can literally die. Oh, yeah. I don't know. Of course you can overdose. Would you? Yeah. I don't know. I don't know. High concentration has got to be so irresponsible. Well, I think that's why they're, obviously, it's so sad. they're just now pulling Kratom for that. And it's only in California. Cause I know I told you, I ordered it from Nevada because California was, was banned. Um, but I couldn't even, you couldn't even buy from Nevada and ship to California. California is definitely shutting it down, but to shut that down, but not shut down seven Oh, it's worse. It's, it's the way the laws.

1:01:35It's so funny. It takes a while. It is. It's so funny how, but, but you know, it's like, shhh whoever it just shows you that just to bureaucracy how stupid it is it's like whoever made the decision you know to to sign off that we're gonna ban this thing it's like you don't have a person next to you like kind of like giving you the 411 like you know what i'm saying like well you may as well do this too yeah you may as well do this thing too because just so you know they're all gonna stop buying that then they're just gonna buy this and that's extremely worse for it so don't do this and not that why don't you wait till you get the approval approval on this and then doing both bro you talk about how dumb bureaucracy is uh elon was getting interviewed talked about doge oh god you know what they did so you know what they did that saved that's probably saving us about 200 billion dollars a year 200 billion easy easy all they did is say if you want checks the road if you want money you have to put in the code the congressional code that approved it and then in this field write something anything but just something like it's going to this because they required those two things 200 billion dollars saved because suddenly yep all these people weren't asking for money suddenly all these people were like he's going to what does that mean dead people made it was it was just money we can't track going who knows where it was literally fraud yeah hundreds of billions of dollars of taxpayer money going to to the ether to who knows somebody out there collecting it all they did was that all they said was if you want this money here put the code of the approval and then just write something here.

1:03:06They didn't even say what you had to write. Just write something. And suddenly$200 billion saved. Yeah. What? Well, how crazy is that? It's so crazy. What's the - What theft? What terrible theft? I get so angry. I get so angry that we breeze past that and we're so concerned about everything. That is what we need to stay. Let's just stay there and deal. We're not going to deal with this. We're just going to lift the rug up and be like, oh, shit, and then just put it back down. That's why he said the Pentagon failed every audit. He goes, they just failed because we just don't know. We see the money leaving, but we have no record of anything.

1:03:45They even said that a lot of that waste went to these programs. These private programs. I mean, that's a perfect example of where billions, maybe trillions of dollars have gone is this private company who is basically holding all the information around ufos so it's separate from the government we got to write all those people big checks to keep doing that but yet we can't put it on the books because it's not part of it it's just a bunch of all right now and with that's for you what else do we have like that i mean how many of these private entities do we have that are shielded from the from the constitution so they can do this all this billions of dollars worth currently but we're supposed to be the ones scared about our tax returns yeah but if you but if you apple pay someone more than this much they're going to come collect the taxes on it or whatever get out of here dude get the hell out of here it's crazy it's crazy that pissed me off brain fm is engineered music that induces different states of mind as proven by fmri studies in other words you listen to brain fm if you listen to focus your brain starts to get more focused we can prove this if you want to go to sleep your brain starts to make you want to go to sleep meditate focus sleep and more they even have a workout uh type of music on there that gets your brain in that state of mind it's incredible try it out for 30 days see for yourself go to brain.fm forward slash mind pump it's free for 30 days here comes the show our first caller is amber from texas hi amber how you doing hello how are you good good to see you again thank you oh good to see you guys again it's been about 10 years uh back when Sal still cussed and Adam didn't have any kids back in Encinitas oh yeah how can we help you that's right how can we help you so my question is um I've been on a GLP one now going on two months I didn't really have a lot of weight to lose but it really has helped with the food noise um I was diagnosed with an eating disorder when I was in high school.

1:05:47So back like around 2004, very severe. So I have trapped my food in some form for over 24 years. I mean, I'm talking, you know, writing it down on an app or something. So I really wanted to see if this would help with the food noise and it has. Now, I know you guys have a GLP one specific workout program. So my question is, I have a lot of MAPS programs already. I'm right now finishing up MAPS anabolic. I think it's like the third time I've done it. So So should I get the GLP-1 even though I'm experienced with lifting, or is that more for someone that is new to lifting? It depends on where your calories are at.

1:06:25We wrote that with the understanding. First of all, we went through and took a couple groups of 50 people that were on GLP-1s before we wrote it. And one of the things that we quickly recognized was very few, if not any, were eating enough calories to sustain a MAPS anabolic type of a workout. They just struggled to even hit protein intake. Their calories were 1 ,500 or less. And so we wrote that program with the idea that a lot of these people are going to be struggling to be eating sufficient calories. And so most MAPS programs are not ideal for that low of a calorie intake. And so it's very different in comparison.

1:07:10Now, if you're taking maybe a micro dose of GLP-1 or you're not using a lot or it's not suppressing your appetite that much and you're still able to eat 1 ,800 plus calories, then maybe you're okay. But that hasn't been our experience. Most people that are taking a GLP-1, it's crushed their appetite. And then training something like MAPS anabolic on, say, a 1 ,500 calorie diet is just not ideal. Do you know where you're at? You're right because since I started it, the food noise has gone down. and yeah I mean my calories were at 1900 which might have been already low to begin with but I was looking back through my app and like I mean there was one day where I completely forgot to eat which has never happened to me before food's always on the brain but now it's like 1200 1500 and I try I've never had this before where I've struggled to eat and so that you know I'm not micro dosing I guess I got the GLP one in a not so legal way maybe but you know there's no micro dosing with this one unless I maybe just use a smaller syringe or something so maybe I could try a micro dose but you're right my calories have been very low my protein has not been maybe a hundred on a good day yeah yeah Amber Amber is it okay do you mind is it okay if I if I'm direct with you please is that all right okay so yes what was the eating disorder when you were in high school um I was anorexic strictly anorexic I was about two inches taller than I am now and I was 84 pounds.

1:08:34Okay. Okay. The last person that should use a GLP-1 is someone who's had an eating disorder like anorexia. Yeah. So what you've done, again, if you don't mind me continuing, what you've done is taken this control, which is a challenge. It's what a lot of times what eating disorders result from or flow from is needing to control things. And you've added now a chemical way of doing that. So it is, you're setting yourself back right now. The worst thing you could have done has gone on a GLP-1. And what you're talking about is food noise is just your fear of needing to eat. That makes sense. That makes a lot of sense.

1:09:20Which probably never went away. And you did mention you got it in a not so legal way. So I'm assuming you got a research chemical because I don't think there's a doctor that would have prescribed you a GLP-1 with your past. um and also you were never really you were not again you're not a candidate for it you have a lot of weight to lose I remember you a while ago and I know you've been following us for a while so I'll see your comments sometimes so is there anything we can do to get you off this and to address like the root of what's going on um well my anxiety is and I don't know again because the The only difference I've been doing as a GLP, my anxiety has been like extreme.

1:09:59And I don't know if maybe it's a vitamin deficiency or whatever, but I have been maybe wanting to see someone, you know, for mental health. I've seen people in the past, you know, long ago when I had a knee disorder, most recently because of some stuff that happened with my daughter. So it wasn't really me going for me. It was for her. So, I mean, you know, I could, you know, maybe start talking to someone about it again. But no, you're right. And I really appreciate you being direct. That's what I've always appreciated about you guys. That's how I respond best. You know, people just telling me what I already know, you know, and that's the case I know with a lot of people that call in, but just something that someone else needs to tell me.

1:10:37Yeah, if you want to get out of this abusive relationship you've had with your body and yourself, you got to move in that direction. The GLP-1, what that did was it emboldened and strengthened the feeling of control that you have, which is a temporary feeling of relief. So it's taken away what you call food noise. Really, it's taken away your hunger. So now it's easier for you to control what you eat, which can feel therapeutic if it's a constant war. But it's not therapeutic. It's as therapeutic as alcohol would be to make me feel better in the moment. Right. But we know that what that ends up resulting in.

1:11:18So I think you need to work with someone and get off the GLP one and really start talking about the root cause and not focus so heavily on your body or your fitness. I really think that's the way to go because the direction you're going right now is going to, it's going to, this is going to result, this is going to result in disaster if you keep going down this path with the GLP one. yeah no i appreciate you saying that and i will um i'm actually on the board of a mental health non-profit so you know i i have resources i know where i can go good good do it i'm glad you called here's what we're gonna do then amber not not saying i don't believe you but i'm gonna have you back on in 60 days so we can follow up okay okay that's your accountability that's your accountability from us yeah all right we're gonna keep talking to you all right i appreciate it and guys, I just want to let you know that I work for iHeartRadio and, you know, I'm on air on the country station.

1:12:10So I'm always, you know, mentioning promoting the iHeart podcast and I'm always talking about you guys and things that you have to say. So I'm always advocating for people to listen to your show in any way I can. Appreciate that support. Thank you. And we appreciate you, Amber. I know you've been following us for a while, so we appreciate you. Much love. Thank you. Thank you guys. All right. We got to have her back on. Yeah. Yeah. I knew right away when she said GLP-1. Oh, yeah. And then she said eating disorders. Ooh. I know. That's the last. Not the candidate. Yeah, if you had a real challenging struggle with control with food to the point where you starve yourself to the point where you're diagnosed with anorexia, then using a medical intervention that takes away your appetite is really not a good idea.

1:12:55Yeah, no doctor would prescribe that. No. And so what she did is it's like, I'm trying to control this thing. And she managed it after high school, I guess it was when she said, through counting macros. So there was still a strong element of control. The difference was she wasn't starving herself, but she was tracking and counting everything, which is exhausting. And so the relief is like, let me get on this medication that takes away my hunger. And then I don't have to track and manage this anymore. Now I'm going to control it through medical intervention rather than tracking. But it's the same thing.

1:13:29It's the same exact thing. Except now with the GLP-1, what will happen, which is already happening, is she's going to take the doses that make her not eat. And so what this is looking like now is 12 to 1500 calories, maybe less. What it's going to look like later is 600 calories, 500 calories as she starts to up the dose. Well, and even at that, even where they're at calorie-wise, they're just deficient in nutrients. So you're going to start seeing things come up. You can starve yourself two different ways. You can starve yourself slow or fast. Yeah. And a slow starve is like a thousand calories a day.

1:14:04It's a fast starve is nothing. And, but I, I, I believe that the direction she'll go is she will learn to up the dose as she starts to lose that relief and it'll just kill her appetite, which will, you know, just dangerous. That's right. Our next caller is Casey from Michigan. Casey. How you doing Casey? Hi guys. How are you? How can we help you? Good. Um, So my question is based around having two young kids. I'm a stay-at-home mom and not getting great sleep. So I have a four-year-old and a one-and-a-half-year-old. And, like, my son's bed, we just kind of have it in our room. I've always kind of co-slub with our kiddos.

1:14:44So I wake up with every, like, noise, movement, I feel like. And so I haven't had a full night's sleep in, like, four years. And so my son didn't start sleeping through the night until after my daughter was born. And now she's a year and a half and still wakes up a little bit during the night. So my watch says I typically get like 20 to 30 minutes of deep sleep a night, which I don't know if that's accurate, but it feels pretty accurate since I'm just waking up at little things. And so my question regarding programming is if I should stick with MAPS-15. I did that for a while postpartum and felt good.

1:15:27Like I really liked the program. I liked doing just a little bit every day, especially with the kids. It made it easy to do a little bit since I'm running there with me. I just work out at home. So we're usually playing in between sets and things like that. And so I tried switching back to anabolic just to do something different. and I felt like if I pushed it, like if I was really pushing the weight, I did kind of like 205 for deadlift one day for a couple of reps and just the whole next week felt kind of crappy. And so I feel like I just am at the point that I can't do too much without overtraining right now.

1:16:10So, which before I had kids, I did bikini competitions. I have lifted for over 10 years. So I really love lifting and doing more, but I'm kind of wondering if I just shouldn't yet. Or if I know you have some other like MAPS 15 programs now, if I should try one of those instead or if it's just, what do you think? Casey, your intuition is spot on. Your intuition is spot on. You should stay in the MAPS. We just dropped Muscle Mommy 15, which is incredible. Do you have Muscle Mommy 15? No. We have a lot of the programs. We have just regular MAPS 15. That was the one I had been doing. We'll send you the Muscle Mommy 15 one and then after that, if you want to try something different, you can do the MAPS 15 performance.

1:17:00But that's where you stay right now. Your intuition is right. You look great. You built a lot of muscle in the past. You can tell. I can see your delts and your arms. So you're good. Every amount of volume for you. And God bless mothers, man. You sacrifice so much for your kiddos. How much is this is the is the poor sleep impacting your whole life are you like okay but you know like okay this is kind of hard which i will say most of the time i'm okay like most of the time i feel good like i feel like i've always been pretty healthy like an exercise is like just really like that's kind of my one like me thing i do is which i have the kids with me but it's i just love to get my workouts in um but like when my daughter's teething i feel like the last couple weeks She had four teeth coming in.

1:17:44And like, there were a couple of days that just definitely was like, okay, I'm very tired. Yeah. You know, the reason why I asked this, cause you know, if it's really impacting your life, it's like, okay, let's maybe come up with some strategies. We can get like a night of good sleep here and there, but it just sounds like you're, you're doing okay. Adding extra stress. There's only a limited amount that you could do. And I think master 15 and that protocol is going to be good for you for a while. Now, I want to be clear, too, because you have a lot of experience strength training. It's not as if MAPS 15 protocol isn't valuable even to advanced lifters.

1:18:19Here's the difference. I'd say it's more advanced. Here's the difference. If you followed MAPS 15 with perfect sleep, Casey, let's say you had perfect sleep. Everything was fine. You go to bed, eight hours, great deep sleep. And you're like, well, would it change anything? Well, yeah, you would just be a lot stronger. The volume would naturally increase with the same programming. So in other words, it's not a step down in programming. It's appropriate for a lot of people. The difference would probably be the load. You would just probably feel stronger, that's all. So stay in there and follow the Muscle Mommy 15.

1:18:51After that, try Performance 15, and you're going to keep doing great. Yeah, just gauge that intensity based on how good you feel sleep-wise and how much stress you're kind of carrying with you with that. But that protocol is going to be the best in terms of volume and kind of stretching that out throughout the week. Yeah. Do you do a lot of walking too throughout the day? Yeah. So we have like a yellow lab, which that helps with that. Usually we take him for two like decent walks a day, which works out nice. We usually do like after breakfast and after dinner. And so it was just kind of like a lot of what you guys talk about, just trying to like walk after meals.

1:19:27And so I probably, I mean, I get like eight to 10 ,000 steps just with playing with the kids and walking. I don't do any like outside cardio. But it is, I mean, it's really true what you guys say. Like I used to do hours in the gym and then now the MAPS 15 is like, I mean, giving me the same result. So it is crazy. You're killing it. You're killing it. You're doing it perfect. And the only thing I would add to this conversation is even, you know, sometimes we are where we ride every program in like these weak blocks. But the way I'd have you run it because you know your body so well, you're aware of your sleep, good nights, bad nights.

1:20:02if you miss uh miss one of the days that was scheduled you just pick right back up where you don't need to run it like in these perfect week blocks just follow it as it's laid out you know your body if it was a really rough night or two in a row take those nights off pick right back up and just and do it that way it could be three days in a row then a day or two off one day in a row then two days off like don't worry about how it's blocked in the in the programming follow it according to how you feel and how you're getting rest and you'll be fine are you taking creatine yeah so i there was a little while that i wasn't with breastfeeding which i am still breastfeeding but now she's kind of spread out a little more um because that was like the one thing that i feel like it hasn't been researched of with breastfeeding like if they're getting creatine or if they're getting what you like process so but i have started taking it again and yeah i i've taken it for years i love crazy yeah i was gonna say it's good for sleep deprivation so yeah up to like 10 to 15 grams a day spread out throughout the whole day.

1:21:00Yeah. As far as the safety is concerned, I'll let you look that up yourself. I know how I feel, but just. I know. Which that's what we, even my four-year-old, we usually will like give him a little bit. Like, I mean, I do like, I think it is so beneficial. Yeah. Well, good deal. Well, great. We're going to send you muscle mommy 15. I think you're crushing. You look great. Yep. Yeah. Keep going. And there's going to be a season when you'll be able to do more working out. Yeah. That's right. It's just a season for right now. so I'm like just getting through it good job you're killing it Casey thank you Casey good up thank you thank you guys yeah there's a there's a I think and I want people to understand like that protocol you could have great sleep try it watch what happens watch what happens to your gains we get so many it's one of those strong and build muscle no doubt I mean how many messages do we get from people like I don't believe you guys but I'm hitting PRs and I'm getting crazy should challenge everybody to go through that it's amazing our next caller is Andrea from Iowa Hi, Andrea.

1:21:54Hi, Andrea. Hey. How's it going? How are you doing? We're good. How are you? Good. How can we help you? All right. I'm a brand new listener, so I hope this is not a question that's been asked a hundred times. That's okay. Even if it was, it's okay. Yeah. We're used to it. Yeah. All right. So I'm also pretty new to being consistent with my weight training and started to build out a gym in my house. I live in Iowa, so getting to a commercial gym is kind of a longer endeavor than I can do every day. Right now, my setup includes dumbbells, a small bar with some weights, a bench, a ball, bands, a pull-up bar, and a bike.

1:22:36I've had pretty good results from following just random YouTubers, but I'm really excited about what you guys are saying about your programs. I'm just curious what your suggestion is for a home gym, how realistic it is to achieve these results and what I should prioritize going forward. You could get, you could do really well with what you got. Yeah. Really. It's just workout programming, meaning, uh, exercise selection, rep range, uh, how you apply them and order them. And it's even more complex what I'm saying, but programming makes the biggest difference. If you were to add anything, uh, it would be like a squat rack.

1:23:11uh and if you had a squat rack with your barbell dumbbells adjustable bench yeah you're pretty much you're done i mean you get everything you really don't need that's all that's in my gym that's yeah you don't need anything else there's other stuff you could add if you want but you don't you don't need it um but aside from that what i would say for how long you've been listening you said you're a new listener how long how long just two months probably oh cool well why don't we send you a workout program yeah and then you can follow ours and a suggestion if you So you probably haven't heard us then talk about PR.

1:23:40Are you familiar with PRX? No. So PRX is a collapsible rack in your garage. So I don't know if that's where it's at. Is it your gym in your garage or in a house? In a basement. So I have a little bit of room. Oh, cool. Yeah. It literally will fold out of the wall. It folds into the wall. And there's mounts that come for all the weights. You could literally park a garage or a car still in a garage where you have the whole entire gym. It's really cool. But yeah, a squat rack would be it. But let me send you Maps Anabolic. and in there there's a dumbbell only version which you could totally use okay and then that's where i looked on the website but it was hard to tell if there were home variations or what equipment you really needed yeah so so maps anabolic is like our flagship kind of foundational program which well let me let me ask you this so what's your experience with strength training let's start there before i recommend um not a lot i before i had kids i was it was easy to let casual running and jogging kind of keep me fit enough.

1:24:35And then after I had kids, it just wasn't sustainable and it didn't really feel good. Right. Like it started to hurt my knees and I wasn't looking forward to doing it. And then that's when I started looking more into, you know, I tried everything, all the different, you know, classes and studios and whatever, but what was easiest for me to be consistent with is just doing it myself at home. Okay. And then now that you've been doing some of it, how long have you been doing the strength training? i've been really consistent for probably six months i just finished a 10-week program that was five times a week okay for about an hour each time okay and are wow and are you resting in between sets or is it circuit training is it traditional strength training what does it look like um it's kind of a hybrid it's maybe like 45 to 60 seconds on and then 60 seconds off so oh wow a little bit faster than what you guys we're gonna blow your mind but it's gonna feel way less than what you're doing.

1:25:29I love hearing that. MAPS anabolic. Follow the dumbbell version, the dumbbell home version. You could do the three day a week version of it. That's all you'll be doing is three days a week. Make sure you stay active in between. Walking is fine. Do the trigger session. And then for nutrition, if you're not already doing this, try to hit your target body weight and grams of protein. Stick to whole natural foods and you're done. And that's it. And you're going to get great consistent strength gains, results, Your body will shape. Metabolism will speed up the whole thing. Everything we talk about.

1:26:00Good long rest periods, though. Yes. Okay. Yeah, yeah. It's going to feel uncomfortable. 90 seconds plus in between each set. The goal is to get stronger. Strength. Each time you come back around to that week and you're doing that exercise again, hopefully you're adding a couple pounds to the bar or the dumbbell, whatever you're doing. And that's the goal. If you're getting stronger, it's working. Yes. Get stronger. Hit your protein. Also, let me drop some more things for you since you're kind of a new listener, all the resources that we have. So we have an AI tool called AskMindPump.com. It's like communicating with us.

1:26:31So as you're going through this process, anything about related to diet, exercise, program, anything, you have questions, you can literally go to AskMindPump.com and it'll shoot not only an answer to you, but also link episodes where we've talked in length about that topic. So it's a really good resource. Also, anything you ever hear us talk about, whether it be supplements or brands or things that we like or use, you can go to mindpumppartners.com. And there's like discount codes and links to all the stuff that we're always talking about. So those are two really good resources for you. But I'd also love to have Doug also put you in our private forum for free, too.

1:27:08So now we can get you if you have access directly to us in there as you go through this, because I can't wait to hear how you feel when you go through. Oh, it's going to blow your mind. Yes. and a squat. I heard you guys talk the other day about kind of that first three years where you have the most gains. So I don't want to waste that time. Yes. Good girl. Yeah. If you make any investment or make a Christmas present for yourself, squat rack. That's, that'll be, yeah, yeah. That'll be really valuable to your journey if this is something that you're going to make a lifestyle going forward. Yep.

1:27:36Yep. I love it. I have a 12 year old daughter who's takes more after my husband. She's naturally super strong and she's starting to kind of loves to like hip check me in a hallway or something and I can't wait to buy your back I guess hell yeah dude this will be great you're going to love it we're going to send that over to you Doug will also get you access to the private forum so if you've got questions ask us in there and then I got you those resources can't wait to hear how this goes for you yeah I appreciate it thank you you got it see you guys I knew if I asked her what her routine looked like because she pulled it off YouTube or whatever it's going to be some kind of circuit crap You're right.

1:28:16It's the typical program. No, no, no. There's such a difference. There's people listening. Five days a week of circuit? I mean, three days a week of anabolic rest period. That's the expectation for most people, right? Yeah, they think it's supposed to be like that. If you've never done real traditional strength training, you're in for a treat. You know, it's so hard, though, to say that because the average person doesn't think that's not traditional strength training. Yeah, that's right. Well, they don't think it's enough. Well, you guys know that that's not traditional strength training. I know.

1:28:46But when you say traditional strength training to the average person, that's barbells and dumbbells. As long as it's weights. It has nothing to do with the order in which you rep them out or the rest period to do with it. It's traditional strength training to the average person. It's just weights. And it revolves around the rest period for the most part. That's what makes strength training. Yeah. Our next caller is Jennifer from Canada. Hi, Jennifer. Hi, Jennifer. Hi. Hello. How can we help you? Okay. Well, I was going to pull up my email, but I'll just go off memory, so hopefully I don't screw it up.

1:29:21No worries. I am a new trainer. I did my NASM in August, and then I got my nutrition certification shortly after that. Anyways, I am working in a gym, doing some admin, also working up, building a client base there, but I'm doing a bunch of private coaching on the side. and something that's coming up frequently. And I just discovered your podcast as I'm, I just want to learn, like, I'm just so eager to learn and to be a really good trainer. And I've been really been enjoying the podcast. So this reverse dieting thing is something that I'm just totally fascinated with. And I feel like I've experienced it unintentionally in my own weight journey.

1:30:02And so I would like to start, I have a couple of people in mind, I really want to start off on this reverse diet thing. The thing is, I have, I mean, there's this imposter syndrome, right? But it's like, where do I go to know what I'm talking about? You know what I mean? Like, I want to be able to talk to these people and say, hey, I've got something here that I think is going to help you. I just want to be able to actually back up what I'm saying. And I totally believe everything you guys are saying, because I've experienced it. It's just where should I go to learn to be that trainer that can actually help people with this.

1:30:38Let me help you with this part, Jennifer, and correct me if I'm wrong. So what I'm hearing from you is I know reverse dieting works. I've experienced it. My challenge is in how do I communicate it to somebody so that we can apply it the right way? Is that correct? Okay. Yeah. So think of it this way with the reverse diet. When you're communicating a reverse diet to someone, start here. Communicate the benefit of building and strengthening muscle. So that's easy. That's easy to do or easier to do, I would say. So why do we want a stronger muscle and why do we want healthier muscle and why do we want to build muscle?

1:31:15Well, there's a few reasons. One, it looks good. So, you know, if you gain three pounds of muscle, you don't look bigger, but man, you look more sculpted and things feel more firm. It also improves hormone profile. It also tends to accelerate your metabolism. So you burn more calories on your own, makes you more mobile, gives you more energy because it's such active tissue. So we start there. Then the second part is now in order for that to happen, we have to feed it. Your body won't build muscle unless we feed your body appropriately. So what that looks like is typically an increase in calories in a high-protein diet in combination with strength training.

1:31:57And so that, what I just gave you was in a nutshell what a reverse diet is. It also makes your fat loss journey much easier since most of your clients are going to be hiring you for that reason, right? Most people are like, hey, I want to lose 30, 40 pounds. So what do you mean reverse diet, eat more? This sounds counterintuitive, but you explain to them, well, I could simply cut your calories from where they're at and we can lose a couple pounds by really restricting you. But then where do you go from there. And you're going to be very unhappy and unsatisfied with that low calorie. Where we'd be far better off is building your metabolism up, building some muscle, building some strength, and then it'll be much easier to lose the weight.

1:32:33And then not only will you lose the weight, but you'll also be at a higher calorie than you currently are right now and leaner than you are right now. And it'll be much easier to sustain that. So that's why we want to do this. So, and that's really it in a nutshell. That's really it and how you communicate in a nutshell. And then how you coach it is you do it slow. And the coaching is in coaching them out of the fear part of it. So they're doing it like I'm eating more food. Oh, I gained a few pounds. The best way to coach that is to let them know ahead of time. You may go up a few pounds on the scale, but if we're getting stronger, here's probably what's happening.

1:33:09Don't worry. Trust the process. We're going to get things to speed up. This is going to make the fat loss so much easier later on and then get them to focus on the strength gains. and the changes in the gym because it's a much more positive place to focus. Jennifer, how long have you been listening to us for? Oh boy, it's just been like the last couple of months. Oh, cool. I'm a very new listener, yeah, but I've really been enjoying the content and I find it super valuable and it's been helpful for me. Awesome, okay, well then let me give you more resources. Well, first of all, our good friend Lane Norton wrote an incredible ebook on reverse dieting.

1:33:42So if you haven't seen his reverse dieting book, it's an ebook, it's worth it for the investment. If you're not familiar, but we have an incredible AI tool called askmindpump.com and literally prompt it however you want to learn about whatever you want. And we've probably talked about it not once, but five or 10 times. And it'll answer in one of our voices. And it'll also link to all the episodes where we talked about that topic at length. So as you are going through stuff with your clients and you're like, oh man, I don't know what to do with this person or you're unsure, use that resource for us and you'll get a lot of value from that.

1:34:21We also have a ton of free guides at mindpumpfree.com. Absolutely free to you resources that will help you. And then lastly, we launched just this last year, a trainer podcast. So it's Kyle. All right, so if you're not listening to that, that's also super valuable too. So those are all some really good resources. And then one last thing, just getting ahead. we are doing this for our community in the, I think, December 1st through the 7th, we run this, but it actually might be worthwhile for you depending on where you're at with this reverse diet is our coaches and trainers have a framework that we have created that take people through a reverse diet.

1:35:03It's a$99 coaching call that people can sign up for. I'm telling you ahead of time that it's going to go on sale for half off. So for 49 bucks, you can literally have one of our trainers take you through our framework. And, uh, you know, for that small investment, I would encourage you to take advantage of it, listen to it, take it for your own and use it to reverse engineer it for yourself. Uh, that might also be beneficial, but those are all the resources that we got for you already. Okay. That's awesome. May I ask one more quick question on the reverse diet thing? So let's say I have someone who says, Oh, I've already been eating in a surplus i feel like i'm still gaining weight um what do you mean eat more yeah well it depends you you'd want to have them track uh yeah and and then you know look they may be eating a surplus and gaining weight uh that's when you would look at the macros they almost always are in fact they are almost always going to say that but they're going to probably be low protein high carbohydrate high saturated fat and and there's also just the food quality you know makes a difference because You can also, here's where the coaching really comes into play, Jennifer.

1:36:07A lot of it is around fear and a lot of it is in building trust. And so what it may look like initially, uh, cause you got to feel this out with a client. If I have something that's really scared, I want to lose 70 pounds. I might not even start by talking about a reverse diet. I might start. And oftentimes I did start by saying, this is what we're going to do. I'm going to have you eat whole natural foods and we're going to try and hit your protein intake. Now, I know I'm kind of reverse dieting, at least in the protein sense, but I also know I'm telling them, eat as much as you want, let's see what happens, and they're going to lose weight because it tends to result in appropriate caloric intake.

1:36:42So this is where the coaching comes into play. Because oftentimes I wasn't saying I'm going to increase your calories because a person's terrified. So I'm just saying we're going to hit your protein, eat that, stick to whole natural foods, and then we're just going to work out. And that's where we're going to start. Later on we're going to worry more about your diet. And I would just say that. yeah okay yeah yeah good stuff hey awesome yeah you got it good stuff you got it yeah thanks for calling in i'm glad you're you're i'm glad you're working in our space yeah yeah it's a lot of fun it is it's a great opportunity stick with it stick with it and we've got a lot of great resources for you so looking forward to it when was that you said december 1st where do i find that right Yeah, so it's a reversed diet call.com.

1:37:27It's not live yet though, right, Doug? It was not today. I don't believe it's live. I can double check on that. Yeah, it's not live yet, but it will be live. It will be live here shortly, yeah. Yep. Okay. Okay, awesome. Right on, Jennifer. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. Nice to meet you. Yeah, the thing with coaching is there's a lot of nuance depending on who you're working with. Well, that's a, you know, I mean, I thought we gave her a good answer. I did. But that's going to just be reps because that's never – I mean – You're not going to nail down the conversation. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:37:59I've been doing this for a long time, and that's still a tough conversation. It's tough. It gets easier because you've had it so many times, and you predict what a lot of people are going to say. You've worked with those people who are like, I'm not even going to talk about this right now. It's a great point. You don't want to present that because you present the fear right away. Well, exactly. Some people I put on a reverse diet that don't know they're going on a reverse diet. That's right. Yes. You know what I'm saying? I just go, hey, let's see where you're at. Yeah, and then I'm like, these are the things we're focused on.

1:38:26I'm managing that without them really knowing what you're doing because if you tell them, I'm going to have you eat more. They're terrifying. Resistance immediately. Yeah, it'll come with good practice. But she's, I mean, I'm - You got to trick them. It's all for the cause, Sal. That's right. That's right. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram, Mind Pump Media. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Super Bundle at mindpumpmedia.com.

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