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25:34It's going up into the chimney, dog. No, you're smart. I want to mention on this air fryer, it's kind of interesting. I don't have one. It has actually a thing where you can put some water in the top. That will create some steam. The Our Place one does? Yes. So apparently it helps with crisping things and, for example, bread and that type of thing. So easy to clean, too, in comparison to the other one I had. These little trays that pull out. You guys got to mess with this. I know. Check everything now. Yeah, everything is dangerous. Chemical world, dude. Doug, look up the chemicals in the fire logs.

26:07I just bought a whole other box right now. Dude. to. Just wood, bro. I was burning a lot last night. Come on, tell me so I can freak out about that now. You know, generally burning wood, it'll create particulate matter. Yeah, that's right. We've been doing that for thousands of years. I thought it was just compressed like sawdust. Colored flames. No, bro. How do you keep it compressed? Why? I'm sure there's some stuff. Wax? I don't know. So it's got like paraffin and stuff like that in it, but it does release chemicals like polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons and formaldehyde. Oh, that's natural.

26:43That's why. Stupid. I want to find... You know what we need to find? We need to find... You should find this. You're the Google master here. Find me a list of the most egregious things in the average household. That's what I want to see. So I can see where I'm okay with my cancer and see where I don't want cancer at. Do you know what's a really bad one? is receipts. Yeah, I know. Touch of receipts. I remember where Max Lugavere talked. Max Lugavere brought. He said that wax. Crazy amount. Yeah. Oh, yeah, dude. You absorb a ton. That's why I have no, keep the receipts. I always hold it like this.

27:19I don't even take it. I would tell them, no, no, no, keep the receipt. I don't want it. I don't need it. The other day, I was at the grocery store. Why do we even do receipts? We don't. Nobody takes checks. Nobody goes to the grocery store and pays check or cash anymore. No. Okay. So there's tracking of everything. What does it say, Doug? I got a list of big offenders. Okay, let's hear them. Cleaning supplies. Okay, so I'm all safe and organic there. Fragrance products such as air fresheners, candles, laundry detergent. I've gotten rid of that, and we're all organic on the laundry detergent stuff.

27:49Personal care items, shampoos, makeups, et cetera. Plastics, of course. I don't have hair, so I don't use it. I use Caldera for my soap. Come on. One of the biggest ones, and it's challenging to get rid of, it's the materials in your furniture and things like that, like carpets and furniture. Right. I got mostly wood floors. Yeah. Okay. So I'm doing good here. A lot of off-gassing comes from that. Mattresses can be a problem for sure. Those are the main ones on the list. Okay. But I'm sure there's more. Well, I mean, listen. Duraflame. Duraflame didn't even make it there. Duraflame didn't even make it there.

28:24I mean, I feel like, one, everything is a chemical or puts off some sort of chemical. So calm the fuck down. Bro, everything's a chemical. Don't give me that crap. Have you seen the ingredients in a banana? You're eating molecules right now. Listen, okay, listen, okay? Like, no fear-mongering going on here. This is a chemical. So they have a list here by room, the stuff to watch out for. Okay. So your kitchen, nonstick pans, number one. Plastic containers, cleaning sprays, processed foods. Yep, okay. Bathroom, air fresheners, nail polish remover, et cetera, nail polish. Harsh cleaners, personal care products, living areas, furniture, particle boards, carpets, air fresheners, candles, paints, glues, laundry room, dryer sheets, detergents, and synthetic fragrances.

29:08We use those balls. Have you guys seen those? Those are cool. Oh, yeah. The little furry ones? Yeah, the reusable balls. We don't even use those anymore. You put them in your dryer. Furry balls? Yeah, you put them in your dryer. Have you ever seen those? No. They're reusable. You can get organic ones like that. Do you guys remember magic markers? You guys smelled those when you were there? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Those brain cells are dying. Oh, yeah. I feel pretty good I'm checking most of the boxes. You're good, dude. Yeah, I feel pretty good. All right. You just got to get rid of the logs. You hurt my heart with my Duraflame there.

29:37I mean, so what I'd like to know, maybe, Dale, you can tell me, is like if I compare a Duraflame to a regular log, because I know they both are going to emit chemicals, but the smoke that's coming off the regular log is not good either. No, but it's mostly going up the chimney. So is the other shit. Yeah, but the Duraflame has paraffin, which is a petroleum-based product. So that's what's happening. It was like marijuana and stuff like that. Paraffin is like a wax that holds the thing together. Oh, okay. So it's like burning a candle? Well, yeah, a fake candle. Yeah. If you were to get a beeswax candle, it wouldn't be an issue.

30:08Yeah. See? Stop trying. Yeah, but it's not coming up in my house going right up the chimney, dude. Not all of it. And I'm not standing over going, not all of it. Not all of it. Huh? Not all of it. Yeah, smoke's probably not good for either. Yeah. I mean, so that's what I mean. Like, if we were to compare the law. But burning petroleum is probably worse. Yeah. Yeah, dude. It's like you got a car running in your living room. Yeah. You know what I mean? Stupid. It's not like that. It's like I have a car running in your living room. The guy who had the ATV in his living room before. That's right. You did, dude.

30:36Did you get rid of that? No, I still have it. I forgot about that. What do you do with your ATV? It's up at the other house. Yeah, yeah. I keep it in the garage on a trickler charger. You just don't want to get rid of it. I won't. You know that sentimental value to me, right? Yeah. Yeah. So when I was fifth grade, fifth grade, I went over to a friend's house. and uh he lived he had property and his uh we were only in like fifth grade and his dad used to let his son and i take the quad out and so that was i mean it was just he would drive first because i didn't know how to drive when i was that young and but i would we would ride around all over the place on that and then eventually i learned how to ride and so like one day oh i totally like what like that was my definition of success was i could buy myself a quad like that was like literally like i always thought about getting a jet ski yeah yeah no that's stupid so yeah I'm very partial to it.

31:28And the money I would get for it, I've also put a ton of money into it, so it's, like, really cool. And the money I get for it is just, like, it's insignificant to me. The meaning to it is way more than I get, so that's part of why I keep it. Dude, I got to tell you guys a funny story. It's so true. So Doug has a daughter, so he'll understand. But there's these memes that show or, like, these little funny clips that show, like when like with dads and daughters like if you give your son like like a stern look versus if you give your daughter a stern look right and i totally experienced this last night my daughter was being my little three-year-old was being a little just a little turkey right she's just acting up or whatever and i gave her no like one tenth of a stern look so there's a look that i can give my kids yeah and i give it to my son no problem i gave her one tenth of it and she looked at me she's like oh i'm sorry honey no you're mean you gave me a mean look that's what she said dude you either get like i didn't even give you a mean look you either get that i was thinking about it or you get my my goddaughter who learns to give it back i've never seen dirtier looks on a human oh that's great in this this little five-year-old dude she gives these she gets a scowl when they'll just look at you all side-eye crazy like oh my god dude okay i won't do anything I won't do anything.

32:48Your comment about me as your teenage daughter was maybe my favorite part of the tenure. The delivery and the way Danny cut that was like so perfect. That was so good. What a great time that was, you guys. What a great, we had our, for people that know, we have an annual Christmas party, but this was our 10-year anniversary. And our editors cut, put together a 20-minute basically video highlighting just the 10 years. Yeah. that we've had together. Just highlights. Yeah, how it started. It's live on YouTube now, just so you know. That one clip of us in your living room, that must have been one of the first, that's had to be one of the first episodes.

33:28I didn't realize you recorded with me. I was still wearing my glasses back then. I did, I guess. I mean, I have it. So I don't recall doing it. There was a lot in there that I don't recall recording at all. So I took a lot of shots on my phone and I just, I went back and found a bunch of them. For blackmail purposes. Yeah. Yeah. So trust me, I have something I could use. Did you just give me any file of all that stuff? How did that even happen? So yeah, I created a Dropbox folder and just dumped all these different videos in. For example, Sal shooting that last shot at the basketball court. Evidence that I won.

34:02I'm never going to play again. All that stuff was just things I had shot randomly over the years. Yeah, so lucky. It made the cut. What's crazy that you got, like you said, that you got the one inside the house, which is so cool because that is the original like i mean we were only there for maybe the first 25 or 50 episodes maybe something like that yeah we were there only for four months yeah so so maybe maybe 25 50 episodes where we are there and and i remember we are always like we're never going to record this like we don't we didn't think we'd ever be on camera and so the fact that you've got that is is kind of wild you can tell by our outfits we we definitely i'd so so there's an interesting split too because doug and justin aged well.

34:45You and I, bro, we went, what happened to us? We just accelerated the aging process. They don't say anything. These two guys are more handsome. No, 100%. We went backwards. Yeah. Well, I mean, Justin's got a glorious mustache. He's got a beautiful rack of teeth now. He's more jacked. Yeah. That's the one I'm competing with. You know what I'm saying? Like, I lost my hair. Downplay, downplay, downplay. I mean, I started out as a fat guy. Of course I got to get up from there. And then Doug's like Benjamin Button over here. What's going on? Reverse aging. He's sucking the youth out of me or something.

35:18I'm looking at him and I'm like, oh my God. Why do you think I wanted to work with younger guys? Oh man, you did suck. Gangly teeth, fat. A lot of fat. But it looked like you ate 20 year old Sal. I did. You looked like you ate him. And it took age, it made me age faster. I don't think that's what made you age faster. I don't remember. Thank you. I shot. I don't ever remember thinking that I thought you looked small, but you look small in comparison. I mean, I don't ever feel like I remember being like, Oh, your voice is like way more deep and booming now. Yeah. It's funny to listen to us. I think that's calmness.

35:59You think so? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I think we're all pretty clear of puberty. So I don't think that happened. Puberty did happen. I think that what you hear is what - Nerves? Yes, yes. Interesting. That's my opinion on it. I mean, so our voices got higher. So we were like, possible. Yeah. I think we talked faster. I think we swore more and we, and we, we talked in a higher pitch because of the nerves. I was using a different recorder back then too. So maybe that has some effect. I'll tell you some of my favorite moments at, at the anniversary party. One, uh, Josh, after that video was done, whatever Josh comes up and he broke down and he was, he was crying.

36:35Uh, Josh, one of our editors and it just, boy, just really touched me. Yeah. At one point, my wife met some of her. She doesn't know all of our trainers, so she's meeting people. And Will goes up to her and he goes, I've been listening to these guys since I was 14. I'm like, oh, my God, since we're 14? And now he's working for us. Now he's working for us. Those are formidable years to be listening to. Oh, I think that's the only way that the training department works without us having to train ourselves every day, the people like we would before, is that indirectly they've been trained by us for years because they listen because they listen so much so they they have they have the philosophy and they have learned all that uh which oh god i would have 1920 would have loved to had a podcast that i listened to like this uh because i think i would have been a way better trainer than what i was in my so i think that's what we're also feeling is that we've got this opportunity to get these trainers who were already listening and learning before they even met us personally.

37:40And then, of course, Kyle's incredible with, you know, he's been a great leader and keeping that going and taking care of all of them. Seeing all those old clips, too, it's been a long time. But it doesn't feel like it. No. It's gone by so fast. Any memory seen there that was, like, extra nostalgic for any of you guys? Gosh. You know, I mean, not that I forgot about this, because I always think about this, but to see clips of us building programs together. Yeah, I agree. I mean, those were such great memories where we'd just get together and just write a new program, especially when we didn't have a lot of them, so we had to really think of new concepts and stuff.

38:20It was also us really learning. I mean, we somewhat knew each other, and we're getting to know each other on the podcast early on, but as far as our expertise as trainers. Trainer brains. It's so different, too. It is different. like and so to think that to get we don't express that as much on the podcast no yeah we don't don't dive in yet unless you come in person and we're just talking about personal training exclusively you don't really get a lot of that from us so we're very very different um in a lot of different ways and so to see that uh come to and it actually work because you would think you put three trainers with very different approaches and philosophies of training in the same room to create the single program, you would think there would be all kinds of dysfunction.

39:05And there was like arguing but healthy arguing. Yeah, but it always made a better product at the end. That's the thing. A couple things that happened too that were funny is I had a lot of my friends from church that were there. And of course there's old clips of me smoking a joint. Justin's telling the story. That was my favorite transition. I know. What a great transition. And Justin's talking about, hey, we ate mushrooms. Which actually I was like, oh man I should have told the one where you were glowing. When I was a trophy? Yes. And I was so mad. I was like, I told the wrong mushroom story.

39:35I told them that story. I told them that story. Okay. But there was that. And at one point I had a t-shirt on that was a quick clip. And it wasn't the focus, but the t-shirt on it said Darwin. And I'm like, oh. No way. I didn't even see that. I saw that. I didn't even see that. I thought that was interesting to see in the beginning with you with that shirt on. No way. I missed that. Oh, yeah. Oh, I can't wait to go back and watch that. Yeah. And so I told, I mean, because they know that I was a hardcore atheist. I said, you guys know how hardcore of an atheist it was? Yep. you were rocking a Darwin shirt I don't even remember that what clip was that?

40:06I didn't catch it either it's the shirt that's the fish but it has feet I'm very familiar with the Darwin sign that people put in the back of their car so what was the clip? I don't remember what we were doing it was a brief clip that wasn't the focus, we were just talking but I didn't even catch it oh wow, interesting that's so great my wife wanted me to make an announcement by the way she cut in line so she's so funny she's like everybody's mad at me I'm like nobody cares she cut in line to get drinks so she cut in line so she comes back and then Vicky comes back she's like you know you cut in line for everybody oh Vicky called her out mortified Jessica's mortified she's like I just cut in front of a people now think just because I'm your wife I can cut in front I'm like no honey it was an accident she came to Katrina Katrina's like who cares you're the boss's wife she's the opposite Katrina just keep cutting your line Katrina's just telling me you're the boss's wife She wanted me to get on and apologize for her.

41:02Oh, my God. Yeah, she's like, make sure you apologize for her. Nobody cares, babe. Don't worry about it. Yeah. Hey, I was watching her yesterday. I took some pictures. She was playing. We went to the store. So we're doing the Fig and Eagle thing, right? That course for the staff? Yes, yes. So Jessica and I met with Scott separately, and they've got some great coaching stuff. And he told us something that I thought was really smart. He said, anytime you're going to give your kids something, attach a responsibility to it. And he said, because oftentimes people, parents will give their kids things like a treat or TV time or we'll go to the store and buy you a toy.

41:40He goes, that's a great opportunity to attach a responsibility to it. Otherwise, you run the risk of them becoming entitled. But also, it's a great way to develop responsibilities. So her and I are like, oh, that's brilliant. So anytime they want a treat, I'll attach, like clean this up or do that to kind of build responsibility. Well, anyway, we went to the store yesterday and I'm like, let's try it out. So I was like, hey, you guys, we're going to go upstairs and I'll let you guys pick a toy that's under 20 bucks. But then you have to do some work for it. So that's what we did. So we picked out a toy.

42:09Anyway, long story short, my son picks a tank. He's like this military tank with stuff. So we come home and then we have him read a bunch of books for him, which he does, which is really cool. So then Jessica's playing tanks, the tank with him. And I'm watching her play a boy game. And I'm just, dude, it is hilarious. Oh, that's classic. It's all dialogue. Hey, hey, hey. Katrina already like she Katrina defers right away she's like whenever he wants to do like something like that she goes I can't I can't do it bro it was all it was all dialogue I'm like he doesn't care sounds we're the oh no it goes back to the explosion noises every time like men are just better at us they can't this was my wife's missile noise Courtney knows too yeah she's like he's like oh mom he's like mom I'm shooting missiles at the monster she's all I'm like that's not a missile noise I'll get a call from upstairs Come down here, please.

42:58But it was all dialogue. Hey, what are you doing? Like the soldiers talking to each other. Oh, who are we fighting today? Like they're sitting down having tea. Can you be on my team? I'm like, babe, way too much dialogue. Get to blow things up. Why are we even fighting? Let's see. Can we be on the same team? You know, that tip is very similar to the tip that I gave a while back. Very similar. And it's worked with magic with Max, which is instead of saying no about, say, a treat or no so say maybe watching tv or no is like it's always practicing like yeah you can after you do this thing and so that's been like just awesome oh it's so great it's like instead of just being the hard no all the time about you can't do this thing it's like yeah you can but first but you need to get upstairs and go clean your room after you clean your room then we can do that thing or i'll tell you something else that was brilliant is speaking identity into your kids uh before bed and so what it looks like because a child will develop their identity even teenage kids will start to develop an identity because you speak it into them and so what it looks like is before bed i'll sit with my son and we have a list of them and it's like you are brave you are smart you are courageous you are a blessing to this family or you are a blessing to everybody who knows you and so i'm going through these and he repeats and instead of saying you he says i and you can see it just light him up and i even did this with my affirmation i even did it with my niece who's 18 i went in a room and did this and you can we're doing it every night i have this little thing that i put on her uh on her door yeah and we'll read it together and you can just see that it just builds oh i'm gonna have to add that i told you i told you guys off air was it on air when i talked about what i would do with him every night now what was it okay so i know i thought i talked to you guys maybe if i apologize if i brought on the podcast but it's been now over a month that we've been doing this consistently and it's totally i i had to bring this up because i brought up one minute manager it's like a page out of that oh yeah yeah yeah so every night you did i i thought all the things you did i find i find one thing that he did that day that i was proud of and i just come in there and even last night like i want to make sure it was sinking in and so we were we were actually reading in our bed with him and i and i was telling him something about something that he did really well and then when we went back and when i tucked him into his bed I said, hey, what did daddy tell you that I was pregnant?

45:13And then he repeated it. I'm like, okay, good. It's like sinking in. And so that has been just an awesome thing. So I love that because I'm already, I can easily pair it with that because I'm already doing this thing. By the way, it's how powerful it is. And I'm sure you guys know this. When you're a kid and you hear something repeated about yourself, it starts to become your identity. Like, oh, he's smart. Or, oh, he gets challenged with these things. Or he's the athletic one or whatever. And there may be some truth in that, but then it starts to become a part of your identity. So you can actually speak these.

45:41Yes. So to give you guys an example of the power of it, my niece, who's now living with us, she's very shy. She's very shy, but she's also very growth-minded. And so one of the things I say to her is you are growth-minded, and I also say you are very fun to be around. And the reason why I say that is because she's shy, saying that you're growth-minded and you're fun to be around, I think will make her feel more courageous to go and talk with people and be around people. So awesome. No, it's a very powerful. And it's, I mean, listen, I know as a parent how easily we can get busy and routine and like get into, I mean, it's Katrina and I had to come together and agree that this is a practice that we're going to work on.

46:21And we, like a lot of times when she's going upstairs, I'm like, hey, I wasn't with them as much as you were. Do you have a thing you're going to tell them? And she'll be like, yeah, I got it. Or she'll be like, do you? And so it's an accountability thing for each other to just remember to do that. And I mean, we're only 30 days in of doing that. I can't wait to see what happens when we've been doing this consistently for a year. You know how long it takes to make a habit with a kid? Over 62 days. Yeah. Okay. Which is another thing that I learned because you got to stay at something for a while.

46:50Yeah. Which is longer than you think. Yeah. Because sometimes it's not working. I don't know. You got to stick with it for a little while before it becomes a habit. No. Anyway, Doug, can you look something up for me? Did you guys hear about those crypto scammers that got hit by organized crime bosses? No, no, no, no. There was a husband and wife. Doug, look up husband and wife killed in crypto scam or something like that. Oh, dude. They scammed some mafia people? They scammed a lot of very wealthy people. Ooh. And they were flaunting their vacations and how much money they had, all this stuff.

47:27stuff and i guess they got i want to see how they were found i think they were like so why why doug is looking this up i don't help me wrap my brain around this that because for all the crypto people that push it so hard and talk about how it's our future and all the things why so many people can scam and steal and mine it's supposed to be so safe i think they made their own coin but i don't know i'm not quite sure because i i've heard of story after story like this of people right scamming people out of out of their crypto or stealing their crypto and i'm like i thought this is that's and now you want the government involved look that up the biggest gangsters of all what does that say about about what happened to them yeah so it's a couple uh they yeah so they were forced to watch each other be uh tortured tortured and then they were buried in the desert.

48:20Oh, damn. I believe they were living in UAE at the time. Actually, there's another article I want to take a look at. It's a little more. Yeah. Okay, so this is kind of breaking it down. Oh, that's grim. So, yeah, Roman Novak and his wife, Anna Novak, were kidnapped, tortured, and murdered in the UAE in 2025. $500 million cryptocurrency scam. Whew. $500 million. Yeah, they were found dismembered, wrapped in plastic in a remote location in the UAE. Consequences, I suppose. Imagine the amount of greed, too, for you to go to – I bet, you know, something like that, you get away with$5,$10 million, you probably are fine.

48:56But because you just – Just the greed. You rip off big players. That's what I mean. You figure out a way to manipulate and win and steal, which is horrible, a couple million from people like that. You probably get away. But you get greedy, and you keep going, and then you start getting bigger fish. You're always looking over your shoulder. You get the wrong person. People with money have, you know, they have networks. This is kind of interesting. So they were reportedly lured into a rented villa in the town in the guise of meeting potential investors for their new business ventures. They were then tortured for access to their crypto wallet credentials.

49:33When the assailants reportedly found the wallets were empty, they murdered the couple. Oh, boy. So now where's that$500 million? Like somewhere on the blockchain? Gone. Probably gone. Probably gone. Yeah. But this couple was like super out there, flaunting it, posting on social media. I mean, they really put themselves out there. Oh, goodness. Have you guys, has anyone watched the Puff Daddy? No. Dude. No, just like. Listen, that's our era. From the surface. You have to. It uncovers all the Tupac. I thought I watched every documentary on that. So there's new stuff? Oh, yes. Was there, there's like two out?

50:12Because one's definitely from 50 Cent. The one from 50 Cent is the one that's the tell-all. Yeah. That's on Netflix. So what's up with 50? Does he just hate them? 50 Cent? Dude, he's been keeping receipts. Yes. He was aware of Puff Daddy for a long time, and I think he's just been collecting until, you know, he had enough to really. Very few people, he did exactly what he did. Was he, he had been, he knew about it, like many people in the industry did, just everybody was afraid of him. I mean, the fact that he's responsible for so many murders and deaths and he had so much power to get – the amount of things that he got away with that I was unaware of is crazy.

50:51So – and it just – after you see all of it, it's the whole Biggie, Tupac, all that's all clear. Clear as day. So he for sure did all that. Yeah. Like not him personally. He ordered it. Yeah, he ordered it. He had it happen. And Biggie too? Yes. Oh, wow. He ushered Biggie to his death. like the without ruining the whole thing because there's a lot to this and i don't i won't share too much for the audience that will go watch it but there there's a there's a part and i know you guys we all grew up in this so you remember when that was the height of that beef and tupac had already had already been shot the first time when he got shot right and and they knew that it was the they knew it was some tied back to the east coast guys and everything like that and puffy and And what I didn't realize, I saw so much footage of Tupac and Biggie and what close of friends they actually were.

51:40They were tight. They were like real tight. Like before Biggie was big, Tupac used to let him open up to all his shows. And so they were boys. And Biggie didn't want nothing to do with this beef that was getting heightened. And Puff takes Biggie to do it after the murder of Tupac. And basically everybody on the West Coast is saying, don't you dare step foot in East Coast. he decides he's going to go to uh to west coast to launch biggie's next album that's coming which is life after death which wasn't named life after death at this point because he had died yet takes him out there he's they they do a whole music thing with i think source or whatever that half the people okay this is when everybody loves them but knows that tupac's is killed and they're responsible are booing them on on stage because you're you're in la of all the places to be okay on the west coast right after yes oh they they like you could tell they were unwanted there biggie was on a flight to go to london the next day and that his their manager had set up they'd been working on this for years he was going to be the first rapper in the united states to basically do a press run in the u in the uk he was excited to go he wanted to go he wanted nothing to do with this beef he was scared to be in la and and puffy shut it down and says no no he's staying here We're going to throw a party in their backyard.

53:01And so they threw a party in downtown. So we created the environment for him to go. A hundred percent. Wow. And that's the night he got shot in the car as soon as he went out. Wow. Yeah, dude. Yeah. So there's way more to it, but it's like the amount of people. And all the gross stuff. Yeah. So I had a baby oil. I was so tired from the party the next day, and Max went over to his aunt's house, Katrina's sister, to decorate the tree and do their they do a traditional thing where they they do they make cookies all day long together and stuff like that and so she had a day on the couch yeah yeah so a day on the couch and katrina and i were like we were supposed to do a drive and all stuff that she's like what do you feel like i'm like honestly like i'm gonna i'm gonna melt in this couch today and she's just like i'm with you let's like and it's just us and we're like so i haven't like binge watched television like that in like so long but i felt so gross all day the rest of the day Like I woke up still like, I got to get that.

53:56Like it was so, I mean, it sucked me in so bad that I, I binged the whole thing. But then the, the feeling of afterwards of like, now that I know all the stuff, like just disgusting, like such a evil, bad person, dude. I want to hear about Justin, the Campbell soup. Oh, you'll hear about that. I read about it. Hot Mike. Yeah. So I don't know who was recording him or like how this kind of came out, But basically, he was recorded. So this is the CEO of Campbell Soups. And he was talking about it like his customers. He was talking trash about his customers being like, I don't even know who buys this stuff.

54:41Talking about them being poor trash and all this kind of stuff. Yeah, like really, really bad stuff to where it's like there's no way he can come back from this. because if it's out and people know, he said this about his own customer base. They had to? Yes. Did they ax him right away? Yeah, I don't know the follow-up. Can you see what he said? This was a while ago. I put it in there. I bet you they had to. If he's just a CEO, he's not even a founder, he's just a CEO, you for sure ax that guy. The lack of integrity for somebody to represent a company that they don't believe in. Yes, that was the biggest thing.

55:21Yeah, he doesn't even believe in his product. I know that happens all the time. It's probably more common than it is not. I couldn't do it. I could not work for a company that I did not believe in. It would be impossible. Most of these CEOs that come into a situation like that, it's purely a dollar thing. It's how much am I going to get paid, looking at the P &Ls, realizing what I can cut costs. I wonder if he was brought in from the outside. Probably. What did it say there? He called it shit for poor people. Shit for poor people. Yeah. Wow. Yeah, so he was fired. Yeah, okay. For sure. Yeah, hopefully.

55:53I see that. I bet you he wasn't a founder. He was somebody who's brought in many big companies that size. Isn't Campbell's owned by a bigger corporation? I'm not sure, but they were probably a 100-plus-year-old company. Yeah, they've been around forever. Aren't they in Warren Buffett's portfolios? I think he's got them in Kraft and all those. Campbell, I think, are all. So that's a major fail. Joseph A. Campbell, is there more about him? I don't know. Let me see. I don't think. Is that the founder of Campbell's Soup? Yeah, he is the founder of Campbell's Soup. Wait, isn't there something else about him?

56:25Hold on. Let's make sure it's soup. No, I don't think that's soup, dude. I think that's another guy. that is another yeah it's joseph joseph campbell yeah okay all right um not the hero of the 1902 faces oh is that is that that's what yeah yeah joseph campbell isn't that joseph campbell i think it's maybe a different one uh that's a yeah it's an author i know who you're talking about who's like yeah he talks a lot about like myths and legends oh hero's journey hero's journey yes that's who i thought that was no but i was gonna say too there's another big fail of like a company which this one's a little more amusing um so waymo the automatic cars like so i think it's in new york but had a massive fail like there was a standoff like a live action standoff between you know the cops and this potential i don't know if they're robbing a car or whatever but like came out and it like guns were pulled and everything and you see this waymo like stop it at this corner and they're right at the corner and it just stops at the light and then starts turning right into it.

57:30It's just basically driving right through an active shooting standoff. Is there a person in the back seat? Yes. Oh, God. Could you imagine? Didn't think about that when we were on the AI. Like, ooh, what's happening here? Didn't think about that. Yeah. Oh, wow. Oh, that's it. You imagine being in the back of the car? Well, think about that. It's like when they're programming all this stuff, it's like, well, what happens when there's like a shootout in the middle of it? They didn't anticipate that. Like, they're going to have to figure that out. Like if there's, you know, police, they must have to like, like integrate the scanning or something to like.

57:59They're going to have to have some shut off, like a shut off thing or like that's interesting. So, okay. Talking about AI since we've been talking so much about it. We got a chance. I got a chance or Kyle and I met this guy at the school event when we went there. And it was a really good conversation. I mean, his whole, he's been an AI his like his whole life. And so I was talking about the dead internet theory and like, what are your thoughts on all that? And he's actually really hopeful and positive that we're just in this weird transition right now. And it's actually going to swing really hard back the other way, it says production.

58:34So he's like, right now, there's not a lot of guardrails on it. And it's kind of the wild, wild west. And everybody's using all these AI tools. And he goes, we're already seeing it and feeling it like this raw, authentic, real, getting back to people is already starting to trend and he goes and people are caring less and less about the artificial intelligence my whole feed on uh some of my social media the that's optimistic yeah no and from somebody who's in it right and that's he makes his money teaching others i could see that so when i so could i because when i go through on my feed ads will pop up and every ad now is ai there are every single ad is a i can tell it's ai even the video i can tell it's ai which at some point we won't be able it's not indistinguishable yeah because it's so cheap you can make ads super cheap with ai so it's and it's all over the place so at some point i think people are going to want to know something's real uh which i don't know how they're going to do that because well i think it's going to be i actually think i'll have to be like less produced less i mean even so uh josh so our team right so when we when we shoot content our team puts it all together and we were all in like stations and when i was with josh the stuff that he said i want you to shoot is like i want you to start with your phone and like like like so people see you holding your phone and then put it down and then i just want you to no script no nothing here's my my point with this adam is that you're not going to be able to tell the ai will be able to make it look not produced and real that's my point my point is that you're not gonna be able to tell the only way and i don't know maybe i'm wrong but the only way will be if ads have people that people already know are real established people you know i'm saying like okay i know who that is that person's been around for a while because new ads well i think that's so that's the point i'm making is why okay we're already established as real right well so that may work in some like our favor that's what i mean and that's why he was going that direction is like this will make this is i mean they'll know you're on a rant fumbling with your words you're just like he's like i don't want any like here's i'm just gonna give you a thing that i want you to talk about and then just go and then i'm like okay and so it is it's like that it's me holding it then you see me set the phone down and then i go on i'll go on a random whatever he he tells me about or like what he wants me to talk about yeah and again everything off the cuff i think it's it's the point of it and why that's trending is because we're getting away from less and less produced even people that are already known okay it's like they're making it look less produced for that reason because it's like people don't they don't want to question it so if we get fancier more edited more whatever they might question and we go like oh is that really adam i mean i had somebody i was uh commenting back and forth with on instagram and they're like is this really you i'm like of course it's me like it's my instagram like i don't have anybody like so that i mean that's people are already starting to do that i get that because you you do get that from other people that are marketers especially where you'll dm them and then they'll you know respond to you as themselves it's not them yeah you know and so there's that like impersonal feeling you get from that it was just it was good to hear it from somebody who's in the industry that like teaches other people how to like and go like and i'm telling him that that was my thing he's like nah he's like we're gonna go and you see some companies already putting the guardrails on like you know what a youtube came out and did right so you made it to where artificially intelligent uh platforms cannot produce they can't monetize and so it's only a matter of time where these where if it starts to really dominate and go the dead internet theory away, I think that you'll start to see guardrails from the platforms.

1:02:05I think the platforms will come out and be like - They will, but there'll be an AI. What they'll do is they'll suppress the AI stuff and I'm sure they'll be able to put - I agree. We can already tell, they have the software and the capabilities. The average eye will not be able to tell if it's AI generated. But you cannot tell me - They'll have AI detecting AI. That's right. They'll have AI detecting AI and then they'll suppress that content and authentic content. But you'll have AI platforms, I think. You'll have a competing YouTube with just AI content. And then we'll see what people pick. And the government will have the ultimate version of it.

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1:03:08Back to the show. Our first caller is Matt from New Hampshire. Matt, what's happening? What's going on, Matt? What's happening, Matt? Hey, guys. Thank you so much for having me on. I really appreciate it. You guys have honestly, over the last four or five years I've been listening to, you've really changed my life. I can't even express that enough. So I'll get to my question to keep it short. How do I put together a group workout that doesn't suck? I'm a full time firefighter. You guys recently inspired me to get my NASM CPT to help me give the skills and bring a better fitness culture to the fire departments in my area.

1:03:46workouts as a group in my experience just over the years being full-time has really been the only way that I found most effective to get people actually moving together consistently so just looking to see what I can do to help those be more effective and not be you know your typical sucky ones there's there's two ways I would do this I'm curious to how the guys if they agree or not. Either one, it would be heavily mobility focused. So it would be very similar to, and this is what I've encouraged a lot of trainers that do teach classes is to watch the Prime Pro webinar I did, which is about a 50-minute video where I warm them up before we start with bodyweight squats, just so they can see and feel their movement.

1:04:32Then I take them through a series of mobility movements, and then they squat at the end and can really feel the difference of their movement. So that's one way I would do a group class. The other way I would do a group class is focused on a single movement the entire hour. So in other words, it would be a combination of priming and mobility to get everybody's bodies ready to squat. And we're all going to, we're going to squat today and we're going to do combat stretch, 90, 90s, prime the body, go through a couple of practice movements, then load the ball. Like it would be all around a movement.

1:05:05And I'm taking my time kind of watching everybody and everybody's doing it. That's how I would do a class now. I would not do what I did when I was in my twenties, which is, you know, battle ropes and dumbbells and jump ropes and sprints and a bunch of circuit bullshit. Matt, you're to be clear. This is, these are firefighters you're working with. Yes. Okay. And this is not mandatory for them. They're showing up because they want to do it. Yeah, exactly. So my goal is to, you know, start putting on a monthly, just free group classes, traveling around to area departments. Okay. And now I I've had a lot of friends that were firefighters and they're all pretty active.

1:05:46Most firefighters work out. They have a fitness routine. I think you would make a mistake trying to work them out in a group class. I think a mobility class would be the most valuable possible thing you could give them. And they would keep coming back for more because it would make them feel better with their normal workouts, with all the stuff that they're doing. They'll feel better in their joints. They'll move better. It'll improve their strength. I think it should be zero workout, all mobility and correctional. People are going to show up for that. How many guys typically, and how big is the workout space or gym you're using?

1:06:22That matters too. Because I could think of some other creative things. Yeah, it's going to vary wildly. I mean, And at my own department, I mean, if I get my whole shift in the firehouse, it's five of us. And we have a pretty decent space, whether it be in the Apparatus Bay or we do have a decent gym as well. But if I'm able to actually start bringing this to other departments, it's going to vary entirely on what they have and who they have. Yeah, because if you had all the major equipment, right, squat rack, bench press, a barbell row, something to deadlift, then i could see pairing guys up in stations and it's like that's what i was you you you do you do yeah you do three sets here and then this these guys these two guys are doing three and they're alternating and that's building the rest period right there so they have rest periods between each other you buddy them up so at least you have accountability with one you know sort of checking form and then you can kind of you know cruise around and at least like see how they're doing and then coach at least the guy watching, you know, specifically and what to do.

1:07:26But, I mean, that's kind of how I had to handle, like, bigger groups of kids when I was training for football. But you'd keep the stations. It was very simple. It's like we're all doing bench. We're all doing squat. You know, we're all doing, like, the main lifts. And then, you know, sometimes I would group them in fours too. So that way it's like you have this, you know, group over here, and I kind of have, like, a leader in there I can count on. And so it's just a way to kind of at least, you know, give yourself more eyes. I'm going to keep pushing mobility because I know you guys get tested.

1:08:00You have to maintain a certain level of physicality, stamina, strength, whatever. Unless the issue you're trying to address are firefighters who aren't consistent with their exercise. But I would bet that if you focused on mobility, because a lot of these guys are working out, a lot of these people are working out on their own anyway, that if you focused on mobility, that they would keep coming back. Because they would do it, they would feel good. Oh my God. And it'll just improve all the other stuff they do on their own. I mean, in a perfect world, they do the mobility class with you, and then you recommend like MAPS 15 to them.

1:08:37That's it. And then they, on their own during the week, it's like, this is what you do for the week. You need to get these two exercises in every day. And then when you see me for that hour, I'm going to take you through a full mobility session. and that would be a great prescription right there. That's it. And if they're confused with that, maybe that's where you step in. You can at least have one day where you're teaching them these major lifts so that they can apply them correctly on their own doing the Mass 15 style. But I agree with Sal. The most valuable thing you could possibly do is take them through those mobility classes.

1:09:08I just think you'll just have people showing up for it. That's a great way to kind of do this also. So it's like you have this mobility class and maybe one, like 10 minutes of the hour or 15 minutes, I'm focusing on just teaching the technique to some of these lifts. Cause I've heard from feedback from the guys like, Oh man, my shoulders bother me when I bench or something like that. And so maybe what I do is I go 40 minutes of like mobility. And then I'm like, Hey, today you guys, I wanted to spend a little bit of time with you really addressing technique around bench press. And then like, and that, and then you set them on their way and then like a couple of weeks go by and And you're like hearing some guys go, my low back is driving me crazy when I deadlift.

1:09:48Am I doing it wrong? Hey, guys, today at the end of our mobility session, I'm going to go get into this, show some deadlift techniques. And so you're really sending them off on their own to do the real strength training like a MAPS 15 protocol. You're doing a lot of the mobility work and then saving the time at the end of the hour to address what you're hearing from the feedback of that fire station. And it's going to be unique to each one. Like some guys are going to maybe be dealing with different pain or different techniques. And if you're traveling around, you're going to be visiting like a station once a week, once every other week.

1:10:22What does that frequency look like? Yeah. So honestly, I haven't been able to get this up off the ground yet. So it's just very early stages. So I have no idea what this frequency is going to be. I mean, ideally, I'd love for it to be a relatively frequent thing. But yeah, I'm still working on getting that. I think if you, so here's the thing with mobility, you feel it right away. Like you do a workout. Okay. I don't know. It was hard. I sweat, you know, that was fun. But you do mobility, uh, right afterwards, people are like, oh my gosh, I feel so much better. Can you come back again next week?

1:10:54Uh, it's the, it's an immediate value. I mean, if you're connected to all these fire stations, I mean, there's a business right here waiting to happen. I mean, and, and, and I don't know what you call yourself, like the, you know, the fitness coordinator for all fire stations. Right. and what I do is I come in to your station. The Extinguisher. Stupid. The Pain Extinguisher. That's a terrible name. That's a terrible name to listen to. Something else but that name. Come on, guys. Backdraft. Another dad. That's another bad name. Okay. I know, Matthew, you'll come up with a better name than these guys.

1:11:26But my point is you pitched this as you're only paying for me to come in one day a week, but what I'm going to do is map out these guys' entire month of fitness, and I'm coming in and checking in once a week. That way you can manage five, six different stations potentially in a week, and you're coming in that day. And that day is like Sal saying, it's mobility-focused with the last 10 to 20 minutes of addressing the concerns of the previous week. How's everybody feeling? How's everybody going? How's the MAPS 15 program going? How's everybody feeling the techniques? Maybe everybody's all good, and everybody's awesome, no problems, and then all you do is mobility and keep them on track.

1:12:02But you're going to probably have some that are just like, Like, man, my little back bothers me every time I deadlift or my shoulders. And then you use that time to address those concerns, to teach around that. And that's all you're doing is kind of coming in once a week and guiding. Do you have Prime Pro, Matt? Matt's Prime Pro? I do, actually. Yeah, I have Prime and Prime Pro performance and GLP-1 from when I was going through my own weight loss journey. So use Prime Pro and Prime and put together a good 45-minute mobility routine. I think that would be a great place to start. Have you seen the webinar I did a long time ago?

1:12:34Did you ever watch that webinar? I haven't seen that webinar yet. Okay, so watch that. You can literally steal it. I know, it's a perfect class. I teach the cues. And the most important part is how I'm cueing the camera. Watch that. Like literally rip right off of that and use that. Like that's a perfect 45, 50-minute mobility class from head to toe. I address the major movements. You can put a little spin on it yourself, but why? I already made it. So use that as your guide. and then again, I would just leave a little bit of room to address what's going on in the week and then use, do you have MAPS 15 yet?

1:13:09I don't have MAPS 15 yet. We'll send MAPS 15 to you. So use that as your staple program for these guys. You guys are crazy. Backdraft mobility. You guys came up with that. Only fire movie we know. Awesome. Thank you guys so much. I really appreciate this. This went a completely different direction actually than I expected And I've been listening to you guys a long time. I thought I kind of already had an idea and you guys really surprised me on this. I appreciate it. Well, if you, if you actually implement it, I want you to call back in and let us know one, how's it going to what you named it.

1:13:43Awesome. Thank you guys. Yeah. Yeah. The, the, the important thing to consider is the demographic and, and firefighters, they tend to work out. They all get tested. They all be. So yeah, if you're showing up to give them a workout, there's some value there but you show up to show mobility they're gonna ask you back yeah they're gonna want you to come back they're gonna feel good right off the game yeah it's just selling them on it oh yeah well that manly dudes they're like i'd be interested to see uh like i have no idea what his relationship is with all these people like hopefully he he has that kind of respect because i imagine most firehouses kind of have their they're gonna give them shit yeah yeah yoga yes dude kind of have their own thing like a lot of guys do crossfit or a lot of guys listen to the show and do their own math.

1:14:30It is the best for him, though, 100%. But that would be, I mean, if he could... One class, maybe. Hey, if he could sell that, and that'd be a thing, like, one, it would be really inexpensive to only have to pay for him once a week to come in. And he's laying everything... I'm sorry, I can't help it. These names are horrible. It just keeps coming. Horrible. I'm just picturing the class as just training like crazy. It's amazing we came up with mind bubbles. Justin's walking around. You feel the burn with a fire shield? I got an excuse. Our next caller is John from Australia. What's up, John? How you doing, John?

1:15:04Hey, what's happening? Hey, fellas, how you going? Good. How you doing? Good, man. Not too bad. This is pretty weird, but here we are. Okay. How can we help you? It's weird for us too, bro. Yeah. We're all digital. I'll just read off a quick little thing I've got. I won't go for too long here, but I've been listening for about seven years now. I just wanted to say a huge thank you for all the information you guys continue to give out for free. um i have well and truly drunk the kool-aid um i bought an eight sleep i've got an l i drink element every day always stuck stocked up on paleo valley meat sticks and i got a juve light as well nice let's go let's go yeah i'm a slut for it um what else can we sell you john cram things in your house.

1:15:50I'll take it. He said slut. He did. I might have, yeah. Unfortunately, they don't sell magic spoon in Australia. That's the only one I'm filthy about. That's all right. We're done with that. You're not that slutty. No big deal. So all of these things have made a huge difference in my health and fitness. I would like to thank you guys for all your wisdom. It's truly helped me improve my quality of life tenfold. Now, that being said, there is one piece of advice in the whole seven years I think has been the most helpful, and I have to thank Adam specifically for this uh your dishwasher stack steel range i'm putting this on his tombstone yeah save me so much time i'll never stack a dishwasher the same again but i'll get to my question so i recently got a blood test and uploaded the results to chat gpt so i gave me a protocol of supplementation to follow each day but I wanted to know if you guys could foresee any issues with that well there's definitely issues with chat gbt that wait hold on you're you're comparing chat gbt to three personal trainers for your blood test so so just the thing I want I before we even get into what it said and all stuff like that just be careful I mean we've been going down this kind of AI rabbit hole and so and I brought up I don't know if you heard on the show my brother-in-law uh was was asking chat gbt questions regarding like the dangers of taking hormone replacement therapy and all this stuff and it was me who actually recommended for him to get on it because he had very low tests and was causing all these other side effects and problems and the way he prompted chat gbt is like can hrt be dangerous and because the way he prompted it it gave him like this whole host of things that looked really scary i could turn right back around forces your bias and what i had to explain to him was like and because he's like i'm getting off this this is terrible i'm like you're an idiot it's not terrible you're not you're you're better and you're healthier by having healthier hormones i said now prompt it like this how dangerous is it for a male my age to have low testosterone and what are all the potential side effects and then a whole list of all bad shit and so it's like how you prompt this thing can really determine how it feeds back to you that information so i would just caution you with that because you could sit you could literally just tweak a couple ways of how you set that prompt up and it give you a whole host of different uh answers so all right so let's let's talk about the blood test and the and what it said what did it tell you should we should we get the blood test first and see if you would recommend yeah well let's don't tell us uh i mean i don't know like let's see if we give better advice do you have the results doug did he send them to us i don't have them no okay what are the supplements that recommended to you so i asked i suppose down to the prompting right I asked a daily supplementation to improve energy and just like that kind of thing.

1:18:42So the morning, it was like morning, afternoon and night. Morning was stuff I'm kind of already taking. It was like creatine, CoQ10 and some other stuff. I'm just trying to remember. The middle of the day was like a B vitamin complex, which is obviously helping with that as well. and then the night time was like magnesium glycinate and some other things to kind of help you know calm the nervous system i suppose so it was like a daily kind of thing but overall it said like your results are great blah blah blah but again i wondered if that's just chat jibbiti you know yeah it gave you it gave you a pretty general protocol it's pretty general yeah pretty general yeah exactly right but it was interesting because i do jujitsu as well and like i had a sore neck and i was taking some like voltaren um do you guys have that yeah i know what that is yeah it's like um yeah and then in the in like the bottom line it said this is all really good however just be careful that you're taking like n sets is that what you call them yeah um yeah and it was like i detected that and i hadn't taken that for like a week and a half so it's still in my system and it still picked that up as well well it picked it up from your blood test yeah because i didn't put anything in there saying that i had that uh what would your blood test show that you were taking ibuprofen because that's what it's gotten it yeah yeah exactly i i don't know so like when i did the blood test i got six pages of data and obviously i don't really know what i'm looking at okay so that's why i punched into chat gpt to like you wouldn't know so my question for you is because you would not know that you were taking an nsaid based off of a blood test there's no way to know that unless you had kidney issue liver issue in which case it could be a lot of different things the question i have is how often to use chat gpt because they're very uh they remember the things you like you could ask your chat gpt it'll guess things about you based off of previous conversations uh searches if it see if you're searching things for jujitsu and fitness and your web searches it could very it'll know if you're using something or not because i don't know of any blood test that doesn't specifically test for nsaid or let's say kidney or liver function which you would have been flagged your blood tests will come back with liver enzymes or kidney function but also uh typically NSAIDs aren't the first thing that people look at it's something else nonetheless that would be very strange for it to say oh i know you're taking do you know if you put watching you dude do you know if you've inputted that did you input uh i may have input some uh some stuff for jiu-jitsu asking uh best techniques for shorter strong guy yeah because it'll it'll guess things about you.

1:21:22You can watch people say, hey, who am I and how many kids? And it knows all these different things. What does that say, Doug? Yeah, some blood tests actually can detect NSAIDs. We keep going into what they're looking for. Measure the concentration of specific NSAIDs like Naxproxen or ibuprofen in the body. Yeah, that's what I thought. So unless you specifically got tested for NSAIDs, non-steroidal anti-inflammatories, your blood tests wouldn't show that. So, So, yeah. Altered liver, enzymes, blood loss. Yeah. Yeah, directly. Okay. Huh. You have to test directly. But Voltaren is a topical. Justin's right.

1:21:59ChatGBT is listening and following you, bro. Yeah, I don't doubt that. Yeah, yeah. I use it for work from a high school history teacher. So I often find it's wrong with stuff. Like it actually gets really specific things wrong. Yeah. So that's why I wondered, like, is it getting this kind of stuff wrong? I mean, the supplements and supplements advice is general. Very general. Yeah, that's good. Yeah. No blood tests. Like, that's the typical. I would stick surface with it. Yeah. And what it recommended is nothing wrong with it. Yeah, yeah. It's all. That's all good stuff. Yeah, that's all good stuff and would help.

1:22:29But yeah, just caution. But you already know. Get a physician to go through it with it. You've already seen it screw up in your own field. And that's why I caution people. That was the first red flag for me when my brother-in-law did that. I was like, oh, shit, that's terrible advice. And it was the opposite of what I gave him. I know that's wrong. But I use an AI and I never put in my name and never put anything. I said, do you know who I am? And it knew everything. Yeah. It was all based off my questions or something. So really weird. Yeah, it stores a lot of information for sure. So. Yeah. Can I hear you with one question?

1:23:02Yeah, sure. When are you guys coming to Australia? Oh, man. When you guys don't have any more spiders. Spiders are too big, bro. I heard that. Spiders are too big. They're more inland though, right? If you're on the coast, it's not too bad. I heard you guys say that the name of the spider with the rat. Yes. Like, I've never seen that in my life. If you stick to the cities, you'll be fine. You could Google that shit, dog. Is that just Photoshopped? You could Google Australia fucking spider carrying a rat. You'll come right up. I heard it come up through the toilet. I'm just curious. There's poisonous over there.

1:23:33Even the koala bears. Don't they have gonorrhea? I heard they have that. They actually do, yeah. They have chlamydia. Chlamydia. Oh, wow. Justin found it. Justin found out. You know, we have a good listenership out there, and we've always wanted to make it out there. Yeah, for sure. All joking aside, that's one of the places we can go. Yeah, we'll get out there. We've got a lot going on right now. Create an event and give us a reason. How about that? Okay, there we go. Perfect. Yeah, yeah. Rally the troops for us. Yeah, yeah. Start something. Yeah, man. Well, we appreciate you, brothers. Anything I can send you?

1:24:06Do you get all of our programs? I bought MAPS Anabolic a long time ago I've got that one but that's actually all I got oh wow what's your goals right now what do you want to do we're going to get you something I'm strength training like three times a week and like kind of jujitsu two or three as well oh MAPS 15 just trying to survive really MAPS 15 performance send it to him right now that would be perfect for jujitsu yeah yeah cool thank you very much appreciate that you got it dude alright John thanks for calling in thanks guys all the best easy who We got to work on our commercials. He's got all of our sponsors, one program.

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1:24:49What actor is it? His voice sounds just like him. Who's the famous actor from Australia? I can't think of his name right now. I don't know. Thor. What's his name? Chris Hemsworth. Yeah, Chris Hemsworth. He told me that. Oh, I guess so. Yeah, before he came on, I could hear him talking to Doug. I was like, oh, hell. I was thinking Gerard Butler or something. he's scottish i'm on the right place right i don't know it's a chat gbt these ais are very interesting yeah this kind of stuff yeah and they do know things about you yeah and they'll tell you things you should ask if anybody using it ask it say do you know you think it just like clears after like no no it like stores that and then it does do you know i heard a stat yesterday this is a little off topic but uh under the age i want to say 25 or 30 40 percent of people have tried to have some had to have some sort of a relationship with uh 40 40 it was a crazy huge number a huge number like have have attempted like a romantic relationship with ai our next caller is Jessica from Colorado.

1:25:54Hi, Jessica. Hi, Jessica. Hi, guys. How are you doing? Good. How are you guys? We're good. Very good. How can we help you? So first of all, I'd like to thank you. Like, I just like to thank you for all the free knowledge I've gotten from you. I wouldn't be where I am in my journey without your podcast. Just know that I've contributed to a lot of your watch hours and my quality of life has only become better for it. Wow. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you. How can we help you? For sure. So currently I am doing MAPS anabolic, but without the trigger sessions, because I'm tired enough with that, because I'm kind of a new lifter.

1:26:31Maybe next round I can do with the trigger session. So I have a few of her programs, but I started with GLP trisopatide shots about a year ago on October 1st, 2024. Since then, I lost 50 pounds and I wasn't working out. When I started, I was barely walking 1500 steps a day and not working out. I'm 42 years old, 5 '3".5 in height. That 0.5 is important. I basically started at 218 pounds when I started taking the meds. And then I went all the way down to 159 pounds without any exercise. After that, I was just lighter. I was able to move more. I felt better. So I started weight training about three months ago.

1:27:18and in three months like i've gained 10 pounds so you know like um but now like i'm around like no i'm actually 180 so like i've gained about 20 pounds um since in these three months which is crazy and i'm just concerned that i've gained like so much weight even though i look leaner i sent you guys before after pictures so since i've gained the weight um i went from size 12 jeans to size eight jeans, even though I've gained 20 pounds. And I also started 15 grams of creatine when I started lifting weight. So a little bit of it is probably water weight. But the problem is that I'm just getting more hungry.

1:27:59And recently I went on 2 ,600 calories from 2 ,400, but I'm still losing size. It's slowly, but it is happening. And my stomach's gone down a lot, as you can see, but my BMI is an obese category. And I'd finally gotten out of being the obese category. And it only seems to be climbing up, which is honestly, it's like really stresses me out. So I guess my question is like such a big part of my life revolves around cooking and eating. I really get exhausted of it. And I try to because of the GLPs, I don't have the food noise. So I do try to eat healthy and I add easy calories like coconut water and sardines out of a can and stuff.

1:28:40but at the same time like you know um i get tired of eating even though i don't have the food noise i do feel like it's genuine hunger so right now i'm walking 5 000 steps a day my problem is that i don't want to eat anymore does like where does that threshold end of me being like this is enough food i won't have to eat anymore and can i go up in fats because i just feel like cheese or whole milk would be easier i don't like that free milk So let's first talk about how much you're crushing it right now. Your before and afters look amazing. Not only do your before and afters, but even what you've told us the way this went, where you lost 50 pounds not doing anything just by taking the GLP once.

1:29:25So you weren't strength training. So I'm assuming you dropped your calories dramatically, and that's how you lost all that weight with the trisepatide. But then it sounds like you started to reverse diet and increase calories and start lifting weights. you added weight but your waist has continued to go down that is incredible that means you are building muscle you are building a metabolism and what you feel is a faster metabolism and we want to feed that fuel it if you are um if you're getting your trisepatide uh um through a doctor you are you controlling the dosage yes i am controlling and by the way i was able only confident enough to do that after seeing your transformation, Adam, and like the Goldilocks zone and all that.

1:30:10So thanks. Awesome. Well, let me, let me, let's, let's, let's put this all in a nutshell. Um, you've lost weight, you feel better, you're stronger, you gain some weight back, but you're smaller. Yes. Okay. So, so here's what the data shows on weight loss with the GLP one without exercise. So you were sedentary. You just ate way less. About 35 to 40 % of that weight was muscle. Lean mass, we'll say lean mass, which includes probably some water. But to put it differently, 50 pounds was probably 15 to 20 lean body mass. How much did you gain back after strength training? 20 pounds. That's right. And you're smaller, which tells me you're doing great.

1:30:57Your appetite's going up because your your metabolism's improving and increasing are you really is an obese category bmi means nothing hey i'm obese yeah yeah you're looking at three you're looking at three obese guys jessica if i cut your legs off right now your bmi would be within range would that mean you were yes let's not do that generalized bmi is just inaccurate bmi is just body mass and they use that because the average person doesn't lift weights doesn't do anything and so generally speaking it can tell you some stuff now if you're if you're fit and strong and athletic it doesn't tell you much at all what tells you what's a better predictor is your strength your fitness your activity uh and then you can look at other blood markers like lipids and stuff like that you're moving in the right direction i don't think you're doing anything wrong you're doing great You're doing great.

1:31:54How good are you at hitting consistently your protein intake? Oh, really good. 160. I just upped that to about 170 grams. You're fine. Oh, my God. When I'm low, I'm 130 grams. You're fine. Oh, my God. And how much stronger are you right now from your workouts? Oh, much stronger. My squats went from 45 pounds to 110 pounds. Yeah. You do realize you're more than twice as strong as you were before. here's the advice i'll give you justin hasn't seen gains like that in 20 years yeah i'm jealous you're killing it here's where i'll here's the only advice i'll give you try to increase your your daily activity because you're hitting 5 000 steps a day uh-huh yeah try to get that up to 8 000 steps a day just you'll feel better from it that's it everything else is going great yeah but keep when i go up in calories can i go just in fats can i go yes yes yes because because because your protein is good you could totally go up in fat yeah and right now how many calories you said 26 a day 2600 calories yeah by the way if you go into cut right now you're gonna see really you'll see some fat loss if you brought i get so hungry even with like yeah don't don't mess with that keep feeding the metabolism right now keep going the direction you're building some good muscle yeah keep going the direction you're going until you get to a place where you're like oh my god when you if you start getting like 3 000 plus calories then you can come back down to like 25 and then watch how fast you lean out when i go higher in calories is it okay if i eat some like junk food or like just more unhealthy slightly because that's the problem is how much of sardines and coconut water and fruits well well let me ask you this are you sardine fatigue if you're hungry then then healthy foods quote-unquote healthy whole foods will be okay if it's just because you want to eat that's different so real hunger says i want the healthy whatever i'll eat the chicken i'll eat the rice the potato uh hunger that says i want hyper palatable processed food is different that's a craving no so when i basically like um don't work out for four or five days sometimes my calorie intake naturally drops down to like 17 1800 calories because i am on transipatide so the food noise is not there wait a minute wait a minute jessica On a consistent, so have you looked at your weekly average of daily calories?

1:34:12Yes. What is the average? Because it sounds to me like sometimes you hit 26, but sometimes you hit 17. So like basically I take off from working out about once every fifth week. And that week is when it goes down. Otherwise it stays consistent. You're fine. You're fine. You're totally fine. Yeah. Everything you said is good. Yeah. You're in a good place. The only thing I caution you with like junk food, right, or not, I would save that for the times in your life when you're with your family, you're celebrating a holiday, and you're like, hey, my metabolism is working for me. I enjoy it. Because what will happen is those types of food does start to kick up the cravings, and then you end up wanting more and more.

1:34:56And then what happens is it starts to creep in, and it starts to eat away at the good stuff that you're consistently doing right now. so so having a little bit of balance totally fine enjoying that every now and then especially when it's you know with family whether that's a i don't know if you're a drink or a dessert person or whatever it is person that like you what food we're talking about when it's connecting with family and friends save it for those moments but then just be aware of that as you that creeps in your life that it kicks up those cravings they're designed to make you crave them if i can up the fats i think i'll be okay just more cheese and that's right yes have some more cheese dairy have fattier meats enjoy fattier meats like get it that way but great but great job yeah you're killing like you are doing really really well yes that means so much to hear from you guys oh my god yes by the way you're this is not you you have this is you're not at the end it's oh this is beginning yeah yeah you're gonna you're gonna keep seeing good progress for a while it's just getting good right now like your metabolism is in such a good place you should just keep getting stronger and keep getting better.

1:35:58I bet your energy must feel great. You must feel so different. 1 ,500 steps to 5 ,000 steps. I wasn't cooking anymore, which I love to cook because I was so drained and tired. I'm cooking, which I eat healthier because of it. Everything. That's awesome. Quality of life, like I said. You've got two more years of great progress. Thank you. Bye, you guys. Check back in with us, okay? Call us back in a couple weeks. I'd love to hear from you. Okay. Thank you. Wow, she's crushing. Crushing, bro. Crushing. But yeah, I mean, no activity, GLP-1, just cutting calories. 35%, 40 % of that will be leaving.

1:36:38That's what the data shows. Yeah. She obviously listens a lot because she did exactly what she needed to do. And this happens to everybody on GLP-1. But see how the scale could totally have messed her up? Even the BMI, I'm like, oh, man. Think about it. The scale went up, but I'm smaller. Yeah. Yet people would have stalked and freaked out. Would you go down from a 12 to an 8 pant size? Yeah. That's crazy. While gaining weight? That's right. What's your concern? That's a pure, you know, what it is is the scale and the BMI thing. It's stupid numbers. Yet you are crushing it. This is why I oftentimes have clients not weigh themselves.

1:37:15That would have messed up so many people. 100%. Yeah, so much better. Our next caller is Matt from Texas. Matt, what's happening? How you doing, Matt? What's up, Matt? Hey guys, thank you so much for Inviting me to participate Found you guys a couple months ago And literally been hooked I've gone back to the beginning And it's actually been really fun To see the evolution of the show Until now I think I'm on like Episode 150 They got really bad before The dark ages You're like family Anybody who's listened to all that stuff We consider like family It does get better, thank God. Honestly, I feel like I'm sitting in the room with some buddies here.

1:37:57So hopefully you guys can help me out. I want to thank you guys for what you're doing on the show. I think it's great. In some of those earlier episodes, I mean, sometimes it feels like you guys are speaking directly to my life. You guys talked about dealing with, like, stresses of life, losing people, how that affects you. and it really ties perfectly into my situation. So I'll start by saying I kind of look at exercise and fitness as my therapy, right? So it helps me deal with stress and anxiety, kind of fought through some depression. So that's a lot of my why as to why I work out. Um, what I've noticed though, guys is, um, throughout the journey of being a fat kid, getting fit, getting fat again, kind of that struggle in life, um, and learning from what you guys have taught.

1:38:58Um, I think I've really messed up my metabolism. So based on y 'all's tips and your coaching and what you guys talk a lot about, about repairing that metabolism, building back strong, letting your body do the work for you. over the last couple months. I've really been focusing a lot on that. I know I overtrain. I mean, I've really backed off of it quite a bit right now. But at my peak, I was two and a half hours on the weights and hour and a half, two hours of cardio. and when I say every day I mean legit every day after a stressful day at work I would go out in the garage I live in Houston it'd be a hundred degrees outside I'd go to the elliptical in the garage and burn it down for an hour after I did an hour in the morning right so I'm on top of a training session.

1:40:01Um, as my training sessions have progressed, like it would start at an hour and then I would add, I never traded off exercises. So I was always like, well, let me try this exercise to hit this muscle group a little different. Let me, and it just kept building from there to where, you know, shoulders and back I'd be in the gym for two and a half hours lifting and then I'd go to climb on the elliptical for 45 minutes. So my question to you guys is with that kind of being said, understanding my, my reasoning for the dependency on the working out and how it, how it kind of helps me decompress and why I kind of need that in my day every day and not sleeping.

1:40:50I mean, uh, I sleep on a good night, six hours. Yeah, no kidding. um and uh sometimes it's as low as four and a half yeah and like so i'm working on the diet right i've built the calories up to um i can maintain about 180 to 183 pounds um and based on the the cheap scale i've got that has me hovering somewhere between 12 and 13 percent body fat um at about 3 000 um and so i'm working on that component but what do you guys suggest like matt matt you know we i know we already know enough matt what what i'm what i'm most concerned or afraid to ask is what does cutting back look like what is yeah what we know what peak you looks like what is your definition of cutting back look like right now yeah so right Right now, another thing that I've learned from you guys is about like central nervous system overload.

1:41:57Like I keep a really close tabs on a lot of things. Guys, I would wake up in the morning. I could jump on the elliptical right now, go for two hours. So I know I've got really good cardiovascular health. My resting heart rate at three o 'clock in the morning was 80. And constantly feeling tired, but unable to sleep. So, Adam, to answer your question, right now, for the first time in my life, I'm trying to do like a deload week where this morning I walked on the treadmill, super low pace, 40 minutes. And aside from walking the dog, that's all I'm doing today. Okay. Is today day one? I'm going to put it this way.

1:42:45In the words of Yoda, you must unlearn what you have learned. Matt, how long have you known you had this call with us? When did they make this with you? Two days, two or three days. Okay, so that's probably why today you did the first day. No, so Sunday, in all honesty, Sunday was, what I did Sunday was I kind of hit a total body, like two sets, 10 to 12, probably 40 % effort. and was in and out of the gym in 40 minutes. So here's the thing, Matt, with this. There's a lie that you're believing that has to get tackled before any of this will get fixed. Okay? The lie is telling you that this is helping with your anxiety and depression.

1:43:40Yeah. It's no different than, you know, drinking alcohol can help with anxiety and depression too. Yeah. until it makes things a lot worse. Yeah. And so you're in that spiral right now, and it's pretty deep. Yeah. And I could tell you what to do, but it's going to be real hard. It's easy to say. This is a real solid, for lack of a better term, addiction. It is. It's a very, very difficult one to break. And the only way I could see this. Are you watching Sal's series? Are you watching Sal? No, I'm not. Oh, brother. I mean, this is Sal's problem, you know, and he's openly been documenting his whole series is all about this.

1:44:26It's breaking this idol of fitness and justifying it all. So literally watching his YouTube series is for you. I also would, sorry to cut you off, Sal, but I also would, if you have the means to hire like one of our coaches to take you through it. That's what you're going to need. I would definitely recommend that because it's not a matter. I outsource it for them. It's not because you don't have the knowledge or the discipline to do the thing. It's that you need a guy like myself or one of our coaches in your ear constantly being like, no, no, no, no, no. Just this. Stick to this. Trust the process.

1:45:01I got you. Here's why, Matt. Because you can't listen to your body and you can't listen to your signals. They're all lying to you. Yeah, they're lying. So everything the coach is going to have you do is going to feel so wrong. Yeah. And so you need that accountability and that coach to continue to walk you off the ledge. Reassurance, yeah. Every time. Because right now, if I tell you to listen to your body, if I give you a deload workout, you'll do it. You'll get a little bit, oh, I'm feeling better. You're going to go right back to scaling things back up. Or your cut down will still be too much.

1:45:33So a coach is the only way I see any chance of success with this. Okay. This is going to be hard, dude. It's going to suck. it's going to be really really hard for like 60 60 days is going to suck because you're you're you're going to break you're going to be separating yourself from something that uh it's going to be very difficult to separate from and it's going to feel very scary there's a couple things you want to do around this one you want to outsource it to a coach two a lot of feelings are going to pop up when you start to when you stop engaging in this behavior you need to replace what you would normally did, which was exercise like crazy, with something else.

1:46:13And it's not going to replace it. It's not going to feel like a complete replacement. It's going to feel totally new. But you got to find another behavior to do. You can't just not exercise, in other words. If you just not exercise, you're going to drive yourself crazy. So we got to replace like, oh, I'm getting anxiety. I feel anxious. I feel like I got to do something else. What can I do? Walking with an audio book is a move. That's one thing. Are there any habits or passions that you've had in the past that maybe you're not engaging in as much because... Go build some more Legos. That shit takes forever.

1:46:45It's an impressive display. I know how long one of those suckers takes to build. Go build one of those. I don't see a Death Star in there. I guess I do the top. Yeah, Death Star's up top. Do you have anything like that in the past that you really loved and engaged in that you kind of just kind of let go because of all the time you spent in the gym? So I was always an athlete, right? I played baseball up into my mid thirties. Go to the batting cages. Love to see that. Well, and you know, that's another thing. So my daughter's getting into golf. Okay. I'm terrible at it. Okay. But that would be a great thing.

1:47:19Yes. There you go. She and I could do together. Love that. Love that. Yeah. You know, I'm so bound up from all the working out that I can't swing a golf club right now, but I need to do something to loosen up. Right. So it's like you guys are saying, like, that's another healthy habit. Um, well, Matt, Matt, can I give you a great one? You mind if I add a little bit to that, please, if you're going to go play golf with your daughter, don't make it about the golf. For sure. You'll very, this will very quickly turn into an obsession with golf. So it's gotta be about the connection with your daughter.

1:47:55That'll keep you on the right, uh, on the right path. Yeah. Embrace sucking. Yeah. And, and, and here's the other thing too. Do you ever write? Do you ever like to write? Occasionally, I journal. Well, I journal when I do like my Bible studies and stuff like that. Okay. We got a light to work with now. So here's what you're going to do when you're getting that feeling. You need to think on paper. You got to process out those thoughts on paper. Otherwise, it's going to stay circulating. It makes it real. so i think every time you're like oh man i feel i'm feeling like you know crappy anxious like i want to go uh right just right in your journal and since you have a faith direct it in that direction and what that's going to do at first it's going to feel awkward it's going to feel like this isn't really helping me uh but it's going to get those thoughts out on paper and it will start to help even more specifically what that looks like for me it's uh write exactly and describe how I feel and then write what I'm grateful for right after that transition right there.

1:48:57Neutralizes the anxiety. You add prayer to that. Now you've, now you've added a supernatural component for sure. Yeah. But I, I, you, but I would love, can I have a coach call you at the very least, give you advice, but I think working with a coach for at least 90 days is going to be a good idea to get you. 100 % because you guys, I think you guys hit it right on the head. And so I've got kind of this, as you can tell, I've got kind of an addictive personality, right? And something that starts healthy. You guys mentioned idols, right? And the Bible talks a lot about idols and how we can take something that God meant for good.

1:49:36That's right. And pervert the hell out of it, which is what I've done. Yep. And Sal, you were talking about, you know, telling me to listen to my body. I've gotten damn good at ignoring it. like you need to slow down your heart feels like it's going to jump out of your chest like you can't sleep at night and it's like well I got to do more right I got to work this off to where I physically get so exhausted that that's how I crash that's right but that's I call that okay now I can relax right but I'm crashing and also among all things the heart is deceitful anyway yeah so So you're going to have to lean in a different direction.

1:50:19We're going to have a coach call you as soon as we hang up, and then I also am going to have Doug send you Sal's first episode. And then you can watch the series. And watch the series. Literally perfect. When you go for a walk, make that a daily thing where you kind of go for a walk and just listen to that. It would be very therapeutic to hear this knucklehead going through the same thing. So it's literally the same, very, very similar to what you're talking about Sal has been sharing through this process that he's also trying to work on. So it'll be cathartic to hear him going through it. Between that and the coaching, I think you're going to be – the good news is you're in badass shape and you've got all this muscle.

1:50:56So when we get on the other side of this – You're just going to get healthy as a result. You're going to feel better. You're going to sleep better. You're going to look better. And you're going to be doing a – It's going to be life-changing. You're going to do way less. It's going to be – All the better. You're going to get all the things that look awesome and feel awesome and sleep better with a fraction of the effort towards it. So it's there on the other side. The other side is going to be amazing, but it's hard to get there, man. It'll be hard to get there. I appreciate you guys taking the time, and I look forward to the call, guys.

1:51:28You got it, brother. Right on, man. Thanks, man. Thanks, guys. All right. Yeah, I wanted to ask when he started the D-Low because it was in preparation for this call. Well, as he was going, I'm like, I'm going to ask. You were trying to stop him earlier. Yeah, I was like, I already know enough, dog. You've got to finish this. I already know who you are. What I'm curious about is what does your reduction look like and how long does that have to go? He obviously gets after it, man. I mean, no joke. It's a tough one to break because that's extreme. I mean, he has you beat. Well, I've never done that.

1:52:00I've never done that. He's got the cardio on top of it all. I've never been like that with him. Mine was more about feeling capable and looking in a particular, I guess, away not to say that it's any better or worse yeah uh but that that kind right there can get very destructive very quickly because you just run yourself into the ground yeah uh i mean we had a client that one of our coaches works with that was doing nine hours a day yeah of exercise um and it's just yeah uh it's a tough one to break but the coach is essential we could have given him only but i could have given him a match 15 well you gotta follow this thing it wouldn't No, he needs to talk it out.

1:52:32Imagine the reinforcement of that, too. He's 46 years old, and he looks badass. I mean, how many people probably tell him all day long how awesome he was? Yeah, and it reinforces it. So it just reinforces that. Like, oh, my God. I bet he gets complimented all the time because he looks so good. Sure. But he didn't realize a lot of the anxiety and stuff you may be feeling now. It's from the workouts. His heart rate, all that no sleep is because, like, you're hammering your body seven days a week that much. Like, yeah, no shit you're not sleeping. it's going to be amazing on the other side if he can stick with it and I hope one of the coaches work with him look if you like the show come find us on Instagram we'll see you at Mind Pump Media

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