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29:08And you get sick of it. You do. You get sick of it. And then you go outside and you play football and basketball and baseball or whatever. Kick the can. You name it. I did it all. So you weren't. Like these games now suck these kids into the screen. They're so engineered, dude. Yeah. And so these kids will be there. They socialize in there. It's like this whole thing where they're just hanging. And so, you know, and you can't tell me that a lot of the girls mature faster than us. So you're this 17, 18, 19, 20-year-old girl, and you're looking at these boys who put headsets on and talk shit to each other for eight hours on the weekend on video games.

29:44Like, that's not attractive. They're not even talking to you. But even if you did, like, what is he going to talk to her about? Like, the new skins on Call of Duty? No, no, you got to try. That's how you learn. Let me ask you guys this. How many times did girls say no to you guys? You can't use us as an example. We grew up at a different time. Never. Yeah, dude. All the time. All the time. All the time, dude. It's how you learn. No. And the energy, like there's an energy that. I mean, I'm not, I'm not. Let me ask you guys this. To make it clear, I'm not arguing with you that I do think that's a factor.

30:15Let me put this. Let me ask you guys this. Knowing what you guys know now, grown men, all your wisdom, all that stuff. And I snap my fingers. You guys are 18 years old. And I'm like, go get three girls' phone numbers right now. Yeah. Would it be a piece of cake today compared to how it was in the 90s? Well, I think the way that was. Yeah, today. I mean. Don't you lazy do something. I mean, well. That's what I'm saying. So I say, go get a job, read a book, and you would probably attract those girls. They'd come to you. You wouldn't even have to go to them. Yes, yes. So that's how I mean. You would be such an anomaly to me if you're that guy who's working hard, reading, trying to make a better version of something.

30:50Well, here's what my argument. That's encouraging. But here's my argument. My argument is this. As a young man, you have a driver that pushes you beyond your comfort zone. One of them is your sex drive, and it's not getting quenched with endless pornography. You also have a drive for adventure, which you're not just beating level 65, okay? Those two things. And then talk about read a book and all that stuff. You know how you figure that out? You go try to talk to girls, and they keep rejecting you, and you're like, I better get my crap together. I try to have something smarter to talk to her about than just my video game I play.

31:25And this shapes you as a young man. You gotta do stuff about your hygiene. Yeah. Yeah, dude. They just forget about that. You can't present yourself like a dumbass. Yeah, exactly. You look like shit. No wonder. Yeah. I'm always telling you that. But it's wild. Between 18 and 24, the first time I think I approached a girl to talk to her, I think I was like 13. You know? 18 to 24? That's crazy to me. Yeah. That's wild. Yeah. But now I put myself in their shoes. If I had endless pornography in video games, I mean, I might be in the same boat. Yeah. You know? But the good news is for young men listening, there's not a lot of competition, bro.

31:59Are we switching? Are we swinging back? I mean, is it coming back the other direction, or is it getting worse? I think some awareness is coming around. Maybe in pockets, but yeah, I don't see it. I have such a hard time because sometimes I feel like we're in a bubble whenever we talk about topics like this. We try to generalize all this stuff, but yeah, half of it I don't see. So it's like, it sounds cool, but yeah, I don't, I mean, I see little bits of like trying to correct and some kids getting it and it just, it driven. It's like this perfect storm too, of like you have the, these, these boys that are like, for a lack of a better word, pussified, you know, you know, in this direction while we're pushing this narrative on the other side.

32:43And it's like, it's, it's, it's just driving a wedge between, you know, what happened here? We'll get controversial since you brought this up. Well, I'm trying to force you that direction. Do you know what happens when there's weak, when there's no male leadership? Yeah, the women step up. Women change. Yeah, they step up. I mean, if you look at, so when you hear these conversations, even when someone like Adam Lane Smith comes on and it triggers some people, and the women are like, it's not our fault. Men need to step up. And they're right. There's a part of them that's also true. And I think it's less about, it's less to blame a sex.

33:20It's more to blame society and a narrative that's been pushed. We've been pushing this to boys, play video games, watch pornography. You know, your friends can be online. And we've been telling girls, go out there, kick ass in the boss bitch world. And the two of those just don't work really well together. They just don't. So it's not a girl problem. It's not a guy problem. It's a social narrative that's been pushed for two decades plus now. And we've just seen it get further and further. Now, what I hope is that we're living through and our kids are living through the most extreme time and we start to kind of find somewhere back in the middle somewhere.

33:58Because I don't think what I just said, the extreme, is necessarily bad. Listen, I'm married to a boss bitch, right? So you could totally have that mentality. I played video games too. So it's not like video games are evil. Girls that are like strong, independent women are evil. It's like there's a balance there. Somewhere it all works. And I hope that we start to come back. Do you guys feel like or do you get worried for your young ones? I know what the data is showing on young men, and they're in droves turning to faith. I think they're looking for structure. They're looking for meaning. Courses that help men break the addiction of pornography are exploding right now.

34:45So there's a lot of awareness that's happening right now. Which is good because that - Data on exercise. Morals, discipline, structure. Totally. Definitely when you think of what's the bad side of video games, pornography, the lack of morals, lack of discipline, lack of structure, those things. And so just simply going that direction will help that out. Totally. Totally. And I do feel like you see the kind of the counter with women too. You see more and more women speaking up on like the, hey, the sacrificing the family to go have the career isn't what it was meant, what we all thought it was.

35:18And so you hear a lot more of that. And so maybe we come back by our kids' age. I don't know. Yeah. Hope so. I worry about that sometimes. Let's talk about nutrition. I want to bring this point up. We haven't brought it up in maybe five or six months. But I think it's such a great way to reduce your calories without eating less and actually making your food healthier. And that's simply taking your total red meat and just going to grass-fed. And it's the same amount, same size steak, everything's the same, 10 ounces of steak versus 10 ounces of steak. Just less calories. But it's lower in calorie and higher in protein because grass-fed meat is leaner and it has a better fatty acid product.

35:58I remember when you first brought that up on the show, we looked at the difference. I was really surprised by - That's hundreds of calories. Yeah. It's a major difference. Doug, can you compare a couple common cuts, one being grass-fed, one being traditional? I know ButcherBox is where all of us get our grass-fed meat. I have to say something about ButcherBox since you're bringing this up. I'm back on my kick right now, and I'm tracking my protein as we teach everybody first, right? Yeah, I saw you work out like three times last week. Yeah, yeah. Shh, don't talk about it. You don't want to build a reputation around that.

36:32I always keep track. Hey, you know what I'm saying? Then I see him in there. No, shut up, bro. I was doing something. Butcher box, chicken nuggets, dude. I've been living off those. Every three is 10 grams of protein. Yeah. So, you know, like literally, that's a salt. Bro, they're the best chicken nuggets, too. I used to. So back in my early days, I used to do like the 20 packs from McDonald's, like terrible, awful fake stuff, right? Well, it's 50 grams of protein in just 15 nuggets. I crushed 15 nuggets. Easy. Easy. Easy. So they're gluten-free. It's become my late night when I'm trying to get extra protein, heat them up in the oven like super fast.

37:14Yeah. So it's been kind of a go-to move for me. Give me an example of grass-fed versus traditional. So the protein content is very similar. It's just a little bit higher on the grass-fed. it's the fat profile that's very different. That's the point he's making. He's saying that it's the same protein or higher with less calories. Yeah, less calories, yes. Eight to 12 ounce steak. Yeah, what are you looking at? Yeah, I'm trying to find a good comparison here. Yeah, just give me a sec. Yeah, so typically what you'll see is in the same cut, it's like a normal serving. It's like 100 something calories.

37:47I remember when we looked at it. Easy, and you're eating the same amount. I like it because it's easy. It's like, here, you want to cut your calories in an easy way and not feel like you're eating less because you're not, here, just switch your grass-fed. Calories are automatically lower. We don't need to wait for you, Doug. Well, I'm having a hard time finding that good one. No problem. We talked. Sal brought it up before. It surprised me. It was enough of a number that I'd actually never even looked at it like that. I mean, look back now. I think back when I was competing and always trying to shave calories here and there.

38:15You've got to get creative. I mean, that would have been a really cool strategy. Super easy. I would have actually gone back and done non-grass-fed and non-prep, right? So when I'm off-season and bulking. Easy way to cut. Yeah, an easy way to cut is I'm not even switching anything but just going to grass-fed and shave 150-plus calories. Totally. I found a sport that I can't believe exists. Well, I can believe exists. One that Justin would probably do. What is that? Doug, can you pull up? Did you get the videos of Run It? I did. You show a clip. Run It? I've been reposting this. So I do have some numbers here.

38:45Oh, thanks, Doug. Finally. We'll edit it in the appropriate part of the episode. Hey, I'd just like to highlight my Google skills here. I know you guys find me to be very good at it. He'll edit the show right after this. This is how Doug does searches. Six ounce ribeye grass-fed versus six ounce grain-fed ribeye, which has more. That's why his search is too bad. Listen, I think he still uses ass-jeeves. I don't believe that's the search I did, but I'm not going to sit here and defend myself. What you got? Okay. So you get a lot of results sometimes. It just don't have the details you want. Okay.

39:27So we have grass-fed beef, eight ounces. This is ground beef is what they've used. Grain-fed, eight ounce. So for example, the grass-fed is 432 calories. The grain-fed is 568. Yeah, there you go. Total fat, grass-fed, 28 grams. Grain-fed, 44. and then getting down to the protein grasshead 43 grams, 38 for the grain. Yeah, dude. Great. So there you go. I'm going to bookmark this, by the way. That was how many ounces you said? Eight ounces. Eight ounces. It'll come up. So you're talking about higher protein, lower calories by over 100. And it's eight ounces. They're both eight ounces. Yeah. That's solid.

40:05But, you know, it's not only that. It's just so many other things. Vitamin K is higher. Vitamin E is higher. Your omega balance, too. Way better. Just all kinds of different things. It's less inflammatory. Yeah. All right, Doug, pull up the run it video. Okay, so this is a new sport that is, I would place it, it's a little bit lower than the slap sport where they just blast each other in the face. It's lower? You know what I mean? Like, that's just peak idiot. This is just a drill that we would do all the time in football and rugby. Like, it's just, they made it into a sport. Like, this is literally like.

40:37Oh, is this where you run into each other? With no pads? No pads. You just blast each other? Oh, yeah, that was my first introduction. There's a name to that, Justin. What's that called? It's called when you – are you talking about where you line up? Oh, it's called CT. Oklahoma drill. Yeah, that's what it is. Look at the size of these guys. Watch, watch. Except this is just – They took out all the function of it and just went into the smash. I've seen some of these, bro, for sure. Well, what's scary is they're actually doing it from distance. And they're big. Normally you do that a little bit closer, right?

41:05Oh, I've seen some, dude, where guys get knocked out. Yes. Get blasted. I mean, this is – Big old Simone guys clashing, and then all of a sudden, they're both knocked out. Oh, bro. See, Doug's pulling up some nice ones. I saw some highlights. What I'm tripping out right now looking at this is this. Whoa. I used to live for this stuff, dude. Wow. Justin, what's crazy is how far they are. That's a normal drill in football where they line up. It's like 20 yards. It's me and Justin. No, these guys are running. Yeah, you're getting full speed when you're getting hit here. That's crazy. Yeah, bro. Yeah.

41:44This is, it's just, so when you do this, I mean, you basically have to have, right? Correct me if I'm wrong, Justin. You will get killed unless you have reckless abandon. You have to go in. There can't be any hesitation. Sacrificing your entire body. Oh, you're getting leveled. Because the other guy, it's like. Also, you have to get like that extra like last second leverage. So people think you just like go full blast, like just straight in. You have to actually dip and then launch and throw all your force through your hips to your shoulder and transfer it. And you have to do it quickly. Oh, God.

42:19So it's like if they're not doing that last second dip and up, they're not getting the force. Some of these guys are like 300-pound dudes. There's no little guys. Full power output. No, dude. I'm waiting to see a little guy. Wasn't it, Justin, didn't you go to a mosh pit? Yeah. And you ran into someone like this. Yeah, there's some big dude. Flattened him, dude. That's the thing. There's a technique to it. Leverage. You learn it over time. I was trying to teach my son this because he's really into football right now. And I was like, if you're going to start tackling people, you've got to understand the physics here.

42:50You've got to be the lower one every time. God, bro. That's brutal. Yeah, that is. I've never seen that before. No, me neither. I didn't know that. I mean, I know that's a drill. I knew that was a drill in football. But they're closer in football. And you have pads. Oh, yeah. You have pads. It depends how they set it up. Because, I mean, we've done crazy stuff like Bull in the Ring and all that, too, where you're just in the middle and you have the whole team around you and you call them out and then you guys, like, smash. Oh, wow. Yeah. I used to love that. Have you seen the parents one? Yeah, for, like, Pop Warner.

43:20Yeah, yeah. Like, the Pop Warner boys are, like, their moms come out. Some of the moms? Do you form tackles? Like, bang. Yes, dude. I was impressed. They got to try to get through the moms and stuff like that. The moms are, it's like little Pop Warner football kids. And so those big kids are taking them out. I've seen some strong moms, dude. It was one Samoan mom at one of the gyms I managed, man. And she was, oh, yeah. I was like, you don't want to tackle that lady. She was like lean 210. I tell the story. I haven't told it in a long time on the podcast. But when I had Isaac Sapowaga's wife, I trained her.

43:55And I remember I did an assessment on it. And now at this point, I'm already like 10 years into the career. And I think we're all like this. once you have body fat tested weighed hundreds of people I can look at you it's like a carnival trick that all my family loves to do I can look at someone and be like they weigh about this one and I'm probably 3 to 5 pounds and I remember looking at her and you know when you're guessing someone's weight it's like my head I know what I'm guessing but then I'm going to go about 5 pounds lighter just so I look respectful yeah I don't want to offend them and I remember putting her on the scale And like, I mean, I, I must've been, I must've started 50 pounds too light and just pure muscle.

44:37Yeah. And then I body fat test her and she's like in the teens and just flat stomach, just a brick house, just a brick house. I'd never seen a girl like that. Just brick house. They have kids. Yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. I don't, I haven't, you know, it'd be interesting to see their kids now because this was like, this is 15 plus years ago. The kids could probably play sports. I hate to have Doug try and look up Isaac Sopalaka. I bet you they're kids in the league at this point. Yeah, no, actually, I'll have to look him up and see. I know, I'm pretty sure they have kids, but yeah, they both were just.

45:09So I can only imagine what kind of kids they've had. I read about this psychological phenomena, changed subject, but it's called the Rosenthal effect. And it points to, remember how I told you guys that, so we're doing the Fig and Eagle course on families and stuff. And one of the things that Scott recommended for Jessica and I was to speak identity into our children. And so like before bed every night, we make a list of things. And it's like, you're intelligent. You are brave. You are courageous. You are a blessing to everyone you know. And we made different ones for all the kids, right? Yeah.

45:47And even the teenagers, right? My niece and my daughter, they light up every night. And I don't know how they would respond, right? Teenagers, you never know. But every night I go in there and I do it. And you just see their faces light up. and it seems to have this, I can tell it's having this kind of positive effect. And I just happened to come upon something called the Rosenthal effect. This is a very interesting phenomenon where they've done many studies on this, but one of them was a classroom experiment where teachers were told that certain students showed exceptional potential, even though the labels were randomly assigned.

46:19Over time, those students perform better academically. So teachers unknowingly gave more attention, encouragement patience and feedback to the students they believed that were gifted this also works when kids are told that they're they're they're a particular way they suddenly subtly over time start to behave more in that direction and so you know saying these things to your kids every night they actually start to take on this identity because well my you know every night my dad tells me i'm courageous so then when they're scared without realizing they become more quick i keep really interesting i keep forgetting to tell katrina to that i want to add that because i you know what i'm doing i'm uh because i i i which is interesting to me because i always thought it was like uh instead of like telling your kids they're this thing you're i was better to attach it to a behavior that i see right so we're reinforcing behavior so every night we look i think that's great right we look at something but i think i mean i could do both right what stops me from hey daddy saw you do this today so proud of you also by the way you're pop up up up up so i want to add i want to add that you know i have my cousin who's uh who's visiting right now and uh he's never visited me before and you're getting caught up with him he's in from the other side of my family and you know that i don't get to see very much and you know we we saw each other last year for the first time in years and said man why don't you come up and visit sometime and so he came up by himself he spent the last like three four days with me does this construction job and then he goes to a school an after-school program for low-income families and the kids range from five to like 13 so he's got all of them and so i've just been asking him all kinds of questions and he just loves it it's like it's like he's comes from a family of teachers and you know so he has a lot of passion for helping kids he's got he's got an incredibly loving sweet soul and just asking him a lot i'm like man what i mean i can only imagine a lot of these kids are probably troubled and challenged and he goes oh yeah no definitely he goes they and they love to push boundaries i'm like how do you deal with that and he's like you know honestly he's like what i've learned or what i find is just like kids just uh want attention and a lot of times these kids that are so quote unquote bad or misbehave lack the attention and you know he had been spending these days with me and he last night before he went to bed he's like dude is max always like this is always what everybody said is max always like this i'm like yeah he's like actually i think he's acting kind of wild because you're here showing off he's like he's such a well-behaved kid i said well go i think it goes back to what you said i think that it's the just the amount of attention that he gets um you know we don't do the action yeah it's the kind of they want they they they want that and there are a lot of energy right you know i get like there it's all the time it's not like he wants attention every once in a while he wants attention all the time and so yeah we do a lot of legos we do a lot of puzzles we do a lot of games like every day every night multiple times a day and i think that that is what you see is that you just see that he gets a lot of that and i said i can see if a kid doesn't how they can start to get on your nerves and then you want to just throw an ipad on and then and i think and then the next thing you know they're a bad kid because they're acting out i said i just i think you hit it on the head when you told me what it's like to manage these kids i think that a lot of kids and some kids need more i mean your kid's an example that he needs physical attention he doesn't need just attention we're sitting on the puzzle it's like you gotta take him outside throw the ball at him go shoot a gun it's like you got to actually do something like that and i think that makes a world of a difference and the kids just don't know how to communicate that at that age at that age he doesn't know how to say daddy i want more of your attention his way of act out yeah his way of doing it is is acting out speaking of which i was i need your guys's help because i think you have an athlete bro yeah dude you for sure do and i'm i'm not you know so my my son the other day he's like hey can I try hitting a ball with a bat I'm like I've never done this with him I'm like alright so we're in the backyard I gave him it wasn't even a bat it's like a toy it was kind of like a bat and I had a tennis ball and 9 out of 10 times he connects 9 out of 10 the first time bink and he's over and over and over again I'm gonna start sending you stuff and I'm like I gotta have your I'm gonna start sending you some stuff because I follow all these like it's just so funny like dads teaching different sports.

50:38And one of the dads I love to follow that teaches his son baseball. Oh, yeah. He sits on that bucket and puts the helmet on. Yes, bro. I'm going to send it to you. Like he's got this, he's got a kid who's just so into it. And obviously he has a baseball coaching background because the way he's teaching him. And it's in a fun, playful way. The kid's loving it and stuff like that. And it's like, if it could give you a couple tips on it, if you have a little natural athlete and you feed into those skills. Show someone he's too early. Yes, dude. It's so cool, man. You harness that now. If he's got a natural gift and then he leans in that.

51:12We went to our friend's house yesterday and they had football on the TV. And anytime football is on, we don't watch football. I never watch sports. But if you're somewhere and football is on, he sits down and watches it. Oh, my God. He likes it. He sits down and he's like, what's our team? Papa, what's our team? I'm like, dang. I don't know, the red one? That's so ironic. It is so ironic. Yeah, I just like pull my kids into interest, you know, in that direction. It's been such a weird experience for me because it's so like I just gravitated towards it immediately. Me too. You know, so yeah, it might be that case where it's like he'll just do all the extra practicing and all that on his own.

51:48That's what I mean. That's why you got to lean into it because if he's into it that much where you start giving him drills and he loves the drills. If he doesn't love the drills, then who cares? But if he loves the drills and does that, it's like, dude, then it's game on. Well, I just like hanging out with him, so I'll do it with him. But the issue is this. The issue now, there's not an issue now, but pretty soon he's going to need someone who knows how to do this stuff. I don't. So at some point, you need to practice someone else. This was always my secret prayer, though, is that Sal's going to have a kid like this.

52:18And then it's like, you're going to have to get into it. And then you get into it. You're going to really start to love and appreciate sports. I just watched. Fast forward five years on my book. Sal's like dropping all the stats on all the games. I was trying to get into trampolines, dude. You know how much I hate jumping on a trampoline, dude? That's not. I'm like, ooh. I just feel immediately like I'm going to throw up or something. And I just had to get into it. And I'm like, I have to figure these things. And then I was like, you know what? You guys are awesome at this. And I'm just going to watch as a spectator.

52:49I got to ask you guys. Do you guys ever drink? The one element flavor I don't have much of is the chocolate one. Who was it that has that in a hot drink? I used to do it in a coffee. You had to do it in a hot chocolate. Like a mocha kind of. Wait, hot coffee? Yeah. Is it good? Yeah. Yeah, because it's salty. That's not a bad idea. It's really good, yeah. And there's no calories. Yeah. Are you guys making your way through all the new ones, though? All the new skinny ones? Dude, I just love. They have a lemonade one, and I think it's pina colada, I think, is the other one. Pineapple. Pineapple, yeah.

53:22The pineapple one is the best. That is the new best flavor to me. Oh. I haven't tried it. I do like the lemonade as well. Lemonade is Katrina's favorite. pineapple is really good yeah fire oh i gotta try yes yes that i i mean i i was i always told you guys grapefruit was my favorite still one of my favorites but the new pineapple flavor is fire yeah i gotta try that yeah yeah they're there we got didn't we get a report from them recently they're just murderers yeah companies growing like crazy you know they they have single-handedly uh created this electrolyte this new electrolyte market yeah it was not you see all kinds of copycats yeah all because of them yeah all kinds of coffee all because they were not afraid to put the amount of sodium that's yeah doing away from the sucralose and all this other nonsense and it was just a thousand milligrams of sodium everybody's too scared to put that much shout out to rob wolf yeah very smart because i mean he was i believe he's the one that was really of course had the formulation was pushed the formulation that way yeah so no they're a great great company and continue to do do really well but i'm yeah you guys have to go through the all the new flavors I'm going to try the pineapple.

54:26The new flavors are. I'm curious, too, how that's due. Because they did like a smaller size can now, right? So it's like for some people that are not going to drink the big full size can. So they're smaller, right? So I think they're half. They're half. 500 milligrams. Yeah, they look like a Red Bull size in comparison. I'll try it. Yeah, love it. Luminose by Entera is skincare with the most amount of active peptides you'll find anywhere. Peptides like GHK. See you. This is strong stuff, you guys. Most companies sprinkle a little in and say, hey, this has peptides, but it's barely anything. Not Luminose by Interra.

55:05You use this stuff, you notice within the first or second application. It's the strongest you can buy. It really, really works. Go check it out. Get 10 % off. Go to interraskincare.com forward slash MPM. That's E-N-T-E-R-A skincare.com forward slash MPM. Use the code MPM. Get 10 % off. Back to the show. Our first caller is Kevin from Texas. What's up, Kevin? How you doing, Kevin? What's happening? Hey, guys. How's it going, man? Good. How are you doing? Good. Just writing in a little bit of my backstory. I'm 54 years old. Been going to the gym probably since I was in my mid-20s, but I always struggle with my weight.

55:50It was always a big issue. about a year ago, I got on a GLP one and it made a huge difference. Um, finally able to get the diet under control. Uh, been killing it at the gym. About three months ago, I got on TRT. That's made all the difference in the world, probably in the best shape of my life right now at 54 years old. Um, the problem I'm running into is, uh, being in the best shape of my life. I feel like everyday things aren't the gym life isn't translating to real world as much as i expected it would uh one example like i uh volunteer with my kids band my kids in the high school marching band i volunteer volunteer with them on competition days and games and stuff we uh are busy unloading trucks putting props together moving props out on the field and stuff like that and by the end of a three four day or three four hour you know work schedule uh i'm just tapped out and I feel like, you know, being in the shape I'm in, things should be a little bit easier.

56:50One thing I do notice is I recover a lot easier. You know, I'm not just tapped out the next day and bedridden like I used to be, but it's, you know, am I missing something? Should I be doing something different? Should I be training different? My first guess is to ask you where are your calories at because the testosterone will make you feel a lot of those positive feelings that you're feeling and, of course, dropping that weight. but uh a lot of times our clients that do the glp ones end up going so low calorie and and that might be what you're feeling where your calories at uh calories you know i gotta force myself to get about 2 000 a day there you go that's what it is you're low yeah yeah so when we did you know we took a group of what was it 50 60 people 50 people oh 50 people that were all on glp ones and we we We coached them through the whole process.

57:42And the common theme, regardless if you got little results, amazing results, everybody ended up hitting a plateau at some point, whether that was after 100 pounds, 30 pounds, it didn't matter. And what ended up happening, they all became this point where they were exercising consistently, they'd lost the weight, but their body was stalled. They're just not seeing it. And or they were feeling just really just tired and fatigued. They didn't feel strong. and what that is is they hit a point where their body has adapted to how low the calorie is and your body's telling you i need more fuel um now the exciting part where you're at where you you're on a you have a night and you you've done a lot already and look great and you've got a solid frame and you're on testosterone you start to feed that body and you're going to build some muscle and really start to shape change and feel different yeah you'll get leaner in fact yes How tall are you?

58:38How much do you weigh? And what does your workout look like? I'm six foot. I'm currently at 230. I go between 235, 230 around there. That's from 330 a year ago. My workouts, I do four to five days resistance training, upper lower split. And then I try to throw in, you know, one or two days I'll hike or do some yoga or something like that yeah you're super underfed and over trained yeah yeah i got your side yeah i got your size doing that much exercise yeah uh you're like you're just you're gonna be fatigued yeah your body is is like just trying to stay where it's at uh and you're probably doing about as much as you could tolerate so you throw in a three-hour day of moving things you're gonna be dead and yeah yeah and you and you're on testosterone if you were on testosterone you'd feel this even more the little good the good that you feel is is from that that's giving an artificial signal of like We're doing good because otherwise your testosterone will probably be crashing.

59:39There's two things you could do. Bump your calories by 500 and cut your workouts way down. There's no reason for you to be lifting that much that often. It's not getting any better results. You're actually getting worse results. You're doing way too much. Three days a week would be the most I'd have you in the gym. The hardest part of this, Kevin, is now what you've come from. It will be the mental part. Are you taking a GLP-1 that's preloaded or do you actually measure for yourself? I'm taking a compounded. Yeah. Yeah. So you can lower the dose. Yeah. So that's what we would do. And I started splitting up the doses.

1:00:13I was doing the once weekly and I've started splitting that into twice a week. That's fine. So talk with your doctor and say, hey, I'm trying to eat more because I'm trying to build some muscle, but I'm having a tough time eating enough. I'd like to try a lower dose so you can get approval and then they'll put you on a lower dose. That way you can start eating more. I'd have you go immediately to 2 ,500 calories, follow like a MAPS 40-plus program. Don't do any more than that. You could walk throughout the week. Make sure you walk 8 ,000 to 10 ,000 steps a day. Within days, you'll feel a difference in energy.

1:00:50Within weeks, you'll see a difference in muscle, and you'll get leaner. It'll actually get you leaner. Yeah, the diet, that won't be the hard part. The staying out of the gym will be the hard part. Well, you can still go. So my clients that love that consistency, you can still go. Just the days that we haven't programmed you to lift weights, you walk. Go for a nice walk. Put an e-book in or listen to a podcast. Walk on the treadmill. It's not a hard thing. It's just walking. Walking is great. So don't break the routine. My clients are in a rhythm where they're like, Adam, I go to the gym five days a week, every Monday through Friday.

1:01:26That's my thing. I don't want to stop that. I just let me tell you what you're going to do on those five days. It's going to look like this on these days and look like this. So the days that we don't have programmed lifting weights for you, you need to be doing things like stretching and walking and listen to audio books, mobility, stuff like that. Recovery, recovery, sauna, steam. Those are all good. I'd love to hear you doing those types of things. So think of it like that. You're still going to the gym, just focused on recovery type stuff when you're not doing what's on the lifting protocol.

1:01:55And we'll send maps 40 to you. So you have the protocol to follow. Yeah. Follow that as it's laid out. Don't add to it and do more. And Sal's right. Start right out the gates with 2 ,500 calories and watch what happens. Kevin, just so you understand, 25 isn't even where you would start. No, no. Yeah. If you were my client, I'd start you at 25. I'd show you some strength gains because that's what you're going to see. You're going to see some nice strength and muscle gains. And then I'd slowly reverse diet you over 3 ,000 calories. Yes. And then from there, if we want to get leaner, it's easy. But where you're at now, you couldn't get leaner if you tried.

1:02:34You're just going to lose muscle. Your calories are so low. Yes, yes. Yeah, and the scale has – it's stalled for probably a good month now. This is everybody, bro. Everybody that we've helped eventually. And the fact that what's awesome and positive is that you got to shed 90 pounds before it happened. Some of these people we see happen at 10 pounds because they were already so low calorie. and so the GOP one just took them even lower. And so they get a 10-pound shred, and then they had a hard plateau for six months, a year, and then we get a hold of them. You drop 90 pounds, which is awesome.

1:03:04Here are some of the challenges so you understand with the reverse diet, because that's what we're kind of coaching you through right now. So reverse diet is the slow introduction of an increase in calories, high protein, in combination with good, appropriate strength training. And the goal is to build lean tissue, which then results in a faster metabolic rate. At the end of a reverse diet, you have a much higher metabolic rate, which we can then easily cut from. So let's say right now you were running at 3 ,000 calories, 3 ,200 calories, and you were like feeling great and strong. Then I could cut you to 2 ,500 calories, you'd see fat loss.

1:03:42So in other words, you would cut at higher calories than you're currently at through this process. Now there's a couple of challenges that people run into. It's like, okay, well, what if I start gaining body fat or how do I know how fast I go up in calories or how do I know when I'm ready to cut or what if the strength training needed to get changed? This is when working with a coach becomes very valuable. So what I'm also going to do, Kevin, is I'm going to have a coach call you and if that's something you're interested in, a coach could actually just individualize it as you go through the whole process, through the whole reverse diet process and the eventual cut.

1:04:14Our trainers have a reverse diet framework that they take people through. So there's an actual framework they'll step you through and then you'll just check it. But it's also just individualized. Yeah, yeah. You'll check in with them, and then they'll modify it accordingly. But the most difficult part is definitely the psychological part. Always. You'll have these. Yeah, that's going to be it. Especially because you lost 100 pounds. Yeah, yeah. Eating more is scary. That'll be the hardest part. But I'm telling you right now, we can get you all the way up to 3 ,000-plus calories, feeling better, looking better than you ever have in your life if we do this correctly.

1:04:45um let me ask where should these calories come from uh currently you know i'm meeting my protein goals that's been my big thing protein protein i'm getting around anywhere from 180 to 200 grams a day um should i pull from carbs fats all the above yeah i'd have you that's impressive by the way that you're at 2 000 calories and you're able to hit 100 200 180 200 i'd have you i'd have you i'd have you keep your protein around 200 210 but then we'd probably bump your fats because i you know i'd want to see where they're at at 2 000 by the way sal that i mean that the highlights too probably where this energy crash is coming from too.

1:05:19He's probably so high protein, so low carbs. Fat and carbs are low. Yeah, fat and carbs are low. And so that's another reason why you feel the energy like that. You just don't have enough. Yeah, you're just not having an intake enough energy. Great job though hitting the protein because that's normally one of the things that people miss bad and they lose a lot of muscle when they lose that 90 pounds. So that's probably what saved you and has done a good job is the fact that you've done that. Yeah, my lean mass has gone down a few, maybe five or six pounds in the year. Wow. That's impressive. That's really impressive to drop 90 pounds and less than 10 of that to be, is a, is a huge success.

1:05:55You're going to see success. Yeah. If you do this right. Very good. Very good. If you do what we're saying, right. You're going to see some really, really surprising muscle gains. Yeah. Like you're going to be like, Oh my gosh, this is amazing. You got it. You got a fun year ahead of you, dude. Yeah. It's exciting. It's exciting news. It's going to be a good year. We'll have one of them. We'll send over maps 40 and we'll have one of our trainers. All right. Well, I appreciate everything guys. And, uh, thanks for being there along with me this past year. It's a, you guys have been an amazing help.

1:06:22Thank you, man. Good job, brother. Yeah. Great job. Thank you. That's, this is just so good for people to hear, uh, who go on a diet or who use a GLP one, which, you know, really helps with the, your body adapts. Uh, and then you're, that's it. And you're stuck. And look, here's a guy that's six foot, 230 pounds, a big dude. He's working out six days a week. That's very low calorie for a dude like that size moving that much. Way low. That's very low. And he's doing other activities, hiking, walking, helping. Of course he's exhausted when he goes and tries to eat. Yeah, barely any carbs and all that too.

1:07:00Yeah, his energy has to be low. I mean, you got to eat more. You know, a guy that size doing that much activity typically is going to be around 3 ,000 calories and lean. No, I'll tell you a bit of him that's an anomaly. the fact that he was able to lose 90 pounds and less than 10 of that B muscle is a testament to how consired without even knowing this guy well enough protein he was he was consistent with his protein and he lifted weights through this process yep that is the only way you lose 90 pounds in GLP one and don't lose and don't lose 50 40 50 pounds of muscle along the way most people just cut the calories so they dramatically decrease their protein intake they don't have the energy to lift weights consistently and sure they lose the 90 pounds but half of it is muscle the fact that he was able to sustain that is a testament to his high protein intake consistently and the fact that he was hitting weights our next caller is sam from kentucky what's up sam how you doing what's up hey guys how's it going good man how can we help you good all right um i'll just do the normal thing, read down my question.

1:08:09I changed a little things because, you know, this was about a month and a half ago. So a couple of things have changed since then, but I'll read down. So I'm currently in like a pretty aggressive fat loss recomposition journey. I'm 34, six feet, currently weigh 286. I weighed this morning. I've been lifting weights for a really long time. So I'm kind of past the whole like newbie gains phase. Um, but I still think I can, I can get a lot of muscle mass on me. I'm not close to that limit or anything like that. Years ago, I lost a hundred pounds. I went from three 50 to two 50, um, gained it all back.

1:08:54I didn't really have a, uh, mechanism in place or a process in place for like maintaining that. and it just, I gained it back pretty quickly. Um, also like I lost a lot of muscle in that process, like even no matter how much I lifted in the gym, I could, and I didn't really lift hard or anything, but I could just tell like I was weaker. Um, and so that caused me a lot of lean mass loss. I think I gained a lot of it back obviously when I gained the weight back, but so this time I'm doing things a little differently. Um, I started Zetbound about six months ago. Um, really good friend of mine is an obesity medicine doctor.

1:09:34And so he sort of gave me some parameters and he said, hit 200 plus protein grams of protein daily, 80 ounces of water, 40 grams of fiber and lift a lot. And so I kind of took that to heart and I used to lift a lot more like six times a week. And And that tired me out real quickly. I could feel myself over training. So now I'm trying to do about two to three full body days and then two more focused days on on what I, you know, kind of what I want to work on or anything like that and try to get steps in as well. getting around on average 6 ,500 a day. I try to hit more, especially when it's warmer out, go for a walk in the middle of the day or something like that and trying to get that up to at least 8 ,000.

1:10:28Obviously it's difficult on a GLP one, but trying to eat, you know, before I was going around 1 ,800 calories a day, I've upped that to probably like over 2000 to 22, 23, 2400. Um, which again, it's not easy on a GLP one, but I don't want to like severely cut my calories too much. And that would tap into my muscle. Um, so I guess my question would be like, am I doing anything or is there anything I should do differently? I, Eventually, I'm still pretty far away from where I want to be. But, yeah, what should I be doing differently, either in my training or nutrition? Yeah, your doctor almost gave great advice.

1:11:18We were hitting it out the park at the beginning there. So, like, the protein, great. Hydration, fiber, great. Training is overdoing it. the amount of training you're doing and cardio is way too much in relation to where your calories are it's just uh that and and how big of a guy you are you're not a little petite i mean that's like a diet for a 135 pound girl you're you're a big guy you you're and you're moving you're not like a big guy who's sedentary you're a big guy who's moving and training um you're just gonna if you haven't already hit a hard plateau you're gonna hit a hard plateau and the body's just not kind of responding.

1:11:57You probably feel tired. You probably don't feel like you recover well. You're probably not feeling very strong. Sam, you're saying, you said when you're talking about your calories, you're saying probably around this, that, and the other. Do you know for sure? Or are you just guessing? No, I track pretty consistently. And just, you know, I get at least 2 ,000, but it's usually in like the 2 ,200 range. It's just every day is a little different so one day it might be 22 one day it might be 24 so so unless you lower your dose of zep bound uh because that's terseptite so it's gonna be hard to eat more and you're probably already feeling like you're stuffing yourself uh yeah yeah it's really hard so your routine should be maps 15 and you should aim for 8 000 steps a day and that's it if that's what you're gonna do with your diet walking too not running no no walking yeah that's it yeah that's what i do i don't like the treadmill i the only real running i do is i'll play basketball once a week no no You need to stop all that unless you're going to increase your calories.

1:12:54Yeah, 2 ,000 to 2 ,400 calories for a 280-pound, 6-foot dude is really low. And your strength training is going to be MAPS 15. So you're doing like two lifts a day. That's it. By the way, you'll get stronger on that. Yeah. Okay? And no other cardio except for hitting your steps. And that's it. Unless you're going to start bumping your calories. What that'll probably look like is you talk to your doctor and you say, hey, can I lower my dose? Because I need to get my calories up to 20, you know, just to start with like 2 ,600. But if you keep lifting, you know, if you're lifting two, three full day plus two focus sessions, plus you're doing basketball and you're eating that few calories, like it's going to be hard, dude.

1:13:38Your body's going to just. It's not just hard. You're done. You're not going to keep going. This is what happens to everybody who's been on a GLP-1 is eventually they hit a plateau where they're just eating too little for the amount of activity that they're doing. And the body is no longer responding like it was when they first got on it. So it's super common. And the answer is to reverse diet out of this. And one of the things we want to do is bring down the intensity of training and or volume of training, which you've got a lot of training you're doing right now. anything high intensity like basketball gotta go just you're not fueling the body and supporting that it's only working against your results right now not saying it's quit basketball forever but you need to be like over 3 000 calories and feeling good and strong to do something like basketball inside your routine eating in the low 2000s training that much uh just it's it's it's too much your body's got not going to respond the way you want it to so reversing out mass 15 do you what maps 15 do you want them on?

1:14:43Wow. Yeah, I mean, we can go with original. We can go with power lift. Oh, that's right. You like going to the gym, right? You don't want to work out. Maybe power lift, yeah. Yeah, I go to the gym five days a week. I've actually noticed some good strength gains since scaling back from like six days a week to the full body days. Of course. So it's going to get better. By the way, that's just an example of how much you needed that. You do it again, watch what happened. It'll go up again. Yeah, let's send a Mass 15 power lift. Yeah. So follow that, and you'll be going to the gym most days, but you're only doing one or two lifts, and the rest of the time you can walk to get your steps up.

1:15:20Yeah, walking's fine. If you want to stay busy, you got extra time, walking is totally fine. But stick with that and then the protocol, and then bump your calories at least 200, 300 from where you're at right now. And if that's difficult, then this is where you got to go back to the doctor and say, hey, can I lower my dose? or can I get a little bit less so I can eat a little bit more? And that's the plan right now is we've got a reverse diet out of this. Okay. I think I can do that. Honestly, like even now my protein, like you guys know with GLP-1s, it's hard. Very hard. A lot of it is like shakes.

1:15:55That's the only way I can get it in. That's right. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Super hard. Yep. Super common, dude. Okay. Yep. Great. That's a great plan. Okay, Sam. You got it, man. Yeah. Let us know how it goes. Thanks, guys. You got it, brother. You know, we predicted this, but... It's getting crazy. The demand for coaches is only going to go up. Oh, yeah. Because it's not... There's not good advice. It's a tool. It's not the solution. It's a great tool, but SBU's right. It was wild to us when we first... Now we see so many people that talk to us, but you would see people who would lose 35, 40, 50 pounds.

1:16:33They'd have another 30 pounds to go, and they'd plateau, and you look at their calories, you're like, You had 1 ,200 calories. Yeah. And you have 30 more pounds to go. And they're weighty, weak, and fatigued. We have to figure this out. I linked up this weekend with five of my buddies I used to run around back with in my 20s. They used to be all jacked. Everyone was into working out, lifting weights, all the things. They're all married, fathers, kids. Most of them have a bunch of little girls. Great time catching up with them. The five, right? and their wives. So there's 10 of us there. Of the 10, eight are on GLP-1s.

1:17:12Of the eight that are on GLP-1s, none of them should be. That is where we're at right now with this. I mean, it's like it felt like overnight now. I've got... And who knows how many other people that are somewhat connected to me that are that aren't admitting it and telling me these are just... I just think it's like a fat-burning... Yes. everybody is just hopping on it as like a way to because it just it's going to be 70 percent of america yeah i mean that you that call is so on point now when i see it hit like a circle of my friends like that very very obvious to me yeah you know so our next caller is dalen from utah what's up dalen what's up man hey guys thanks for having me on yep how can we help you so my question it's less of a case of something that's like clearly not working and more just trying to optimize and get the most out of the time I'm putting in.

1:18:06I'm a busy guy. I've got three young kids, got a busy career. I carve out, you know, four to five days a week to lift. I prioritize strength training, trying to build muscle. And I usually have about 45 minutes to an hour. And so as I've been trying to build more muscle, I focused a lot on taking reps close to failure or you know one or two reps in reserve and when I do that I feel like in order to be ready to go for the next set um I I need like three minutes sometimes even more in between each set and so that that drags out the exercise that it makes it so that I'm only getting you know maybe five different exercises in a session by the time you factor in all the time between um which feels like the volume is I'm always worried in the back of my head like would it be better to do more volume and lower the weight a little bit so i can cut down those rest periods does that make sense yeah no you're fine no you're doing good what program are you following uh i'm not following one of yours i've actually just kind of made it my own through the years based on different things i've seen listening to you guys and stuff like that there's your problem there's your first problem i mean i think you do great on like a maps 15 protocol yeah okay Yeah.

1:19:21Listen, you can do either. Okay. So what you said, you could rest a minute. Here's the deal. You can rest a long time between sets, but don't make it any less than a minute. Less than a minute and it starts to not really be strength training anymore for the most part. So between one to five minutes in between sets or more is perfectly fine. Five exercises in a workout is great. Plenty. Plenty. Yeah, so you can try doing where you do less weight so you can move faster, but you're trying to put on mass and size. I'm looking at you right now. You're probably more of an ectomorph. You're better off going with the longer rest periods, go heavier, up your calories, and you'll get better gains.

1:20:04I think MAPS 15. Yeah. Or a power lift. MAPS 15 power lift. Let's send that to him. Yeah. Okay. It's kind of feel, if you already were thinking it's less volume with what you're doing right now and was worried. It's going to feel like that even more, but just keep focusing on what you're saying. Get strong. Get strong. Give long rest periods. Get good at those lifts. And then so long as you're consistent too with hitting your protein and calories. So that's the other piece of this puzzle. If you go in and you do this great lifting program and then you're inconsistent with hitting your grams of protein, you're going to be spinning your wheels.

1:20:44That's right. You're going to be moving good, and that's good for you. But if you want to build muscle, you've got to give it the building blocks consistently. So the two things you focus on is that Mass 15 protocol, having your meals ready for you so you can hit that protein intake, and I guarantee you're going to see the results. Yeah, here's how you know, Dallin. You follow the program that we're going to give you. You'll get stronger by the second week, and then you'll know, okay, this is working. Okay. Yep, that's easy. Are you good about hitting your food? I am, yeah. I know I've gotten this year I've gotten really dialed in.

1:21:17I've, you know, I've got my nutrition better than it ever has been. I lost like 45 pounds at the beginning of the year. Good for you, man. I got like 30 % body fat. Wow. Good for you, dude. In the past, you know, since about May, June, I've just been focused on building muscle and I've seen, you know, some decent gains. It's just always that question in the back of my head of like, okay, I'm at the 80, 85 % level. How can I get the extra five or 10, you know, how do I get the most? Yeah. We'll turbocharge you. Yeah, dude. When they talk volume, let me just help you out, Dallin, because it sounds to me, correct me if I'm wrong, that you'll read studies and you'll read articles.

1:21:52Is that what you do? Okay. Totally, yeah. Yeah, yeah. And that can get you spinning all over the place. And what the articles are going to say is that volume and progressively increasing volume is closely connected to hypertrophy. Strength is very closely connected to hypertrophy, especially in the first few years. you just lost a lot of weight so now you're in that kind of strength building phase you're going to be there for at least a few years yeah that's what i would chase but consider this every time you add a rep or you add a pound you've added volume it's not just sets yeah so it's not just how many sets i do like if you added 10 pounds to your squat and you did the same three sets you just went up in volume so if if we drop your volume your sets down how do you follow our program like this and you get stronger, your volume is going to be good.

1:22:41Not to mention in the first few years of trying to build muscle, the best possible thing you could do is chase strength. Now, strength isn't a great correlate for hypertrophy later. Once you're hitting like big numbers and you're getting real strong, then the risk factor is high. And then that's just, you know, gaining 30 pounds on your lifts isn't going to correlate as strongly to muscle. But right now it's going to for sure. Like if I gave you 30 pounds more on your squat, I guarantee your legs would look a lot bigger not not to mention this this way of progressive overloading the body uh this organic way that sal's talking about where you just get stronger and you add five or 10 pounds to a lift every week is a much better approach than what most people do most people do like okay this is what i did last week so now i'll do an extra set of this and i'll do one more exercise and now i'll go to five sets of every like that's what people do uh adding and it's way too much way too fast and that's right and they hit a plateau or go back the other direction just do this do this this minimalist type of program try and get really strong if you're getting stronger you are progressively overloading the body and that will take you quite a ways that those three months of doing that and paired with making sure you hit that that protein tape making sure you're feeding the body what it needs and you're gonna grow you're gonna grow 100 okay Cool.

1:24:01Thanks, guys. Cool. You got it, man. We'll send that over to you, man. Go ahead. Yeah, this is, you know, we should have a more detailed, maybe we'll do at the beginning of this episode on progressive overload because there's a lot of confusion around this, especially with the studies that come out. Right. And I'm going to say this right now. In the first, conservatively, okay, first three years of consistent strength training, not three years of inconsistent, but three years of actually really being consistent with strength training, get strong nothing will build muscle like getting strong that naturally does the progressive now as you get more advanced it gets tricky right so you know if you've been strength training consistently for five years and you've built a great physique and you're really strong now it's a really tricky game and no you can't progressively overload forever if that was the case look i've been lifting weights since 14 i would be working out for 15 hours a day in order to continue progressing it doesn't work that way in fact oftentimes the way it works as you get more advanced is you figure out how to scale down give everybody what it needs it's a much trickier game it's not so straightforward stimulus just do more it doesn't work that way our next caller is dustin from california what's up dustin what's up hi guys um thank you for taking my question it's it's an honor to meet you guys uh you guys have been so inspirational over the years it's uh it's really exciting to talk to you guys thanks man how can we help you so um I wrote you guys a really long letter.

1:25:28I'm going to try my best to summarize it. You know, I've been I've been stuck despite really doing this fitness thing for quite a few years. And honestly, I don't know if anybody that saw me would even know that I go to the gym. So I feel like after this much time, I should be further ahead than I am. And I was I'm willing to be open minded and just take your advice and see what you guys have for me. A little background is my entire life. I've been really on this diet, lose weight kind of mentality. I've had multiple really big swings in weight over the years. I've done unhealthy diets. I've been caught in that binge restrict cycle.

1:26:08I do. You know, I was in the military, so I got some PTSD, which leads to some some poor sleep. So it's really not uncommon for me to wake up two or three times a night. And I admittedly, you know, usually get up and use food as kind of a comfort. And so I'll easily add a couple thousand calories, you know, on a night if I don't let my truck, if I don't keep that in check. You know, as a mailman for many years, that's when I found you guys. And I've been listening ever since. I did in 2019, I got, I realized I had a problem with alcohol. So I got, I got sober and, and so that's playing a part in, so what that led to is I became a counselor.

1:26:56And then, so I left my job as a mailman and had a desk job for the most part. So I lost a lot of physical activity. Um, and so I'm 43, um, I weigh two 55, I'm six foot. I've never really done an intentional bulk. Um, I've played with macros a lot. Um, so my number two question is given some of my bigger swings with my diet is have I ever even been on a cut or has it, when I swing the other way and kind of go off of my diet, does that equate to enough calories where it is almost like a bulk? You know, I tracked last week, I didn't try to diet. I didn't try to do anything special. And I was eating about 4 ,000 calories, just adding in all those extra little snacks and things like that.

1:27:48So where I'm at now is I currently do a five-day split. I put my calories at about 2 ,500 calories a week. I do some incline walking on the treadmill, maybe a couple of times a week. And, um, based on some things you guys said, I did, um, uh, I changed my four to six rep range to 10 to 12 reps for about four weeks. And then I just came back on my four to six reps. And I noticed I was able to add some more weight to the bar, um, which has been really nice. Um, I've been on TRT for the last couple of months and, you know, my goal is honestly just aesthetic I want to build strength and muscle, have a lower body fat percentage and really just just look good.

1:28:32And then since I wrote that letter, I left my job as a counselor and kind of decided to take some time off and really just kind of work on some just my own mental health kind of thing. And so I've been doing some like therapy with the VA and, um, that said, I have a lot more free time. So going to the gym five, six days a week is really definitely like the main part of my structure of my day. Um, and I definitely, it's kind of like another therapy is just getting to the gym and I enjoy it. And I, I really like, you know, lifting weights and, um, you know, I don't do a ton of cardio, like I said, just walking a couple of times a week.

1:29:10Um, so the questions that I had mentioned for you guys was, um, I was wondering if you guys have, uh, mind pump personal trainers and if that's something I should be investing in, um, to kind of see where I'm going wrong. Um, and, but the, my main, my real question is what's really blocking me from making progress. I don't really know what I should be doing exactly with my diet and training wise. I don't know if it's just a problem of patience or if it's a consistency problem or if maybe there's something else I'm just missing entirely. So that's kind of where I'm at right now. Hey, man, I appreciate you calling in.

1:29:46Dustin, God bless you. Yeah. You came from, you've come a long way. Yeah. From where you, from what you've described, you've come a long, long way. So you're doing really well. You're at the point now where we have to figure out the root of the behaviors, change that, and then the behaviors will change. If we focus on the behaviors, and that's part of the process as well, but if we just focus on the behaviors and the look and don't solve the root of what's driving those, it's going to be a very, very difficult battle. Now, I have a question for you. I know you were working with people as a counselor.

1:30:24were you helping them with their own sobriety? Were you helping people through sobriety and all that? Correct. Yeah. I was, I've worked a couple of different programs, like an outpatient and inpatient. The last one I worked at was a detox center. So it was people that were really just getting over that, you know, initially starting in their sobriety. Okay. And were you getting a good sense of purpose from that helping other people? I do get a lot of purpose from helping others. So, which is what led me to start in that field. Um, I do also do some like AA type stuff. So I can help others even on my own personal time too.

1:31:01Good for you. That's one of the best things you could do, uh, is help others. Um, it's, it's other focused. So some of the challenges sometimes this is even, this is especially even more true with men is when we focus too much on ourselves and our insides, we get in this kind of downward spiral. It's actually a hallmark of depression is lots of self-focus, but doing for others, especially helping others in areas that we need help in really tends to help us quite a bit move in the right direction. So if I were, you know, you said you're working with a therapist, I would consult with them and say, hey, do you think I should go back to counseling and working with people just to give me kind of that sense of purpose.

1:31:45I think that'll help you a lot. Um, you asked if we have trainers and coaches, we do. You said, it says you're in California. Are you near, you don't have to tell us where you're at, but are you near San Jose? Cause I'd like to see you in person if possible. Yeah, no, I'm not, I'm not too far away from you guys. Okay. Here's what we're going to do. Dustin, we have personal training in person and virtually. I want you to come here. Yeah. If we're not too far, we're in San Jose. So if we're less than 30, if we're, you know, if we're somewhat convenient, I'd like to see you in our studio working with someone in person.

1:32:13wow yeah i love that all right i'm gonna set you up with an assessment with one of our trainers in person here at the studio when you come in you make sure you say hi to us okay that's the best that's the best possible thing yeah you can do in this direction if you combine that with helping others uh because our coaches have been trained by us okay so they know what to do fitness and diet like that's the bar that's like the minimum right you got to know that but they're really good at getting people to the point where this becomes a lifestyle that's healthy and relaxed and not stressful. One that is not, is no longer this crazy stressful struggle for you.

1:32:50Okay. Like, in other words, Dustin, imagine what it would be like if, uh, eating healthy and taking care of yourself is something you, you really enjoy doing and you wanted to do. And if you felt stressed out, if you reached for something else that was, that, that served you better than the quick comfort of, let's say, food, or for some people it's alcohol, other people it's something. If it was something not destructive, if it was something that was really serving you, right? Imagine what that would feel like. This is what our trainers would work on with you. And I like that you'd be here because we would see you.

1:33:23So we're here at least three days a week, all day. And so we'd see you come in here. So I'll have somebody reach out to you, man. Okay. Yeah, that'd be amazing. I really appreciate it. It's awesome just talking to you guys too. Yeah. Cool. I appreciate you calling it. I want to encourage you, dude. You've come a long way. You've really come a long... If you think back, you don't need to give me details, but I'm sure if you think back, you're probably in a completely different place than you were. Now you're just like, okay, there's another level here that I want to get to. And we can definitely help you with that.

1:34:00Got you, dude. That'd be awesome. Well, thank you, guys. I really appreciate it. You're going to get a call here probably within the next hour. Yep. Okay. Hopefully we'll see you soon, man. All right. I look forward to meeting you guys. All right, guys. Thanks, brother. Take care. Yeah. Yeah, that's PTSD. Really, really hard. The fact that he stopped drinking alcohol, man, that's phenomenal. Huge. That's phenomenal. And food is, I mean, look, yes, you can abuse food, but he's working on it. but uh i you know one of the most helpful things that you could do uh is work with other people who need help in a similar area um because you can help them it makes you feel good yeah we didn't ask him i was kind of curious why he quit that he you know especially since he knew it was serving him and it helped him i wonder what the the reason behind uh quitting it was you know i don't know i'm gonna guess so you're right we should ask them that i'm gonna guess but probably because it got stressful.

1:35:01I know if I coach enough people with body dysmorphia, I start looking at myself real straight. And it's like, oh, and it makes it a little bit more difficult sometimes, which is a good thing. But I'm getting a guess that's what it was. So I don't know. It's a good guess. And maybe that's what's catapulted him into, okay, I'm going to get down this and I'm going to go fix myself. But, bro, we got him in here, you guys, with one of our trainers. Yeah, he'll be close. He's going to be a great. Is he telling you how close he is or no? It doesn't show. Yeah, but I said San Jose. He says it's convenient.

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