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27:58I just noticed you and I are wearing the same pants, by the way. What are the names of these Viore's? Seaside, bro. I love those. Do you have a pair? I do. I have a pair of those in the sweatshirt that goes with them. I love the Sunday joggers from Viore. I like these better. These are my favorites. Well, it's thick and soft. And they look good. So comfy. It's sweatpants season. I know. Yeah, I mean, I wore the other ones, So I have their, I have their, I have three of them. So I have their, I don't know if it's the Navy blue, maybe Doug can correct. I'm always, the colors, it's a blue. They're blue.

28:30And then they're kind of like sand color, the brown or tan ones. And then I have these black ones. And you got a vest. What is that? I've had this for, I've actually had this vest for a long time. I don't know if this is still in their cycle or not, but I love this. Yeah, they have ones like that still. Oh, they do? They do. Oh, I didn't know if they still had that. I love this vest. Yeah. but the seaside line is is newer it's one of their newer lines they dropped this winter and i'm picky about my sweatpants i mean we're we're trainers right so we wear sweatpants most of our life and so finding a good pair of like thick material like sweats that are comfy and oh man i just know their seaside is is off the chain so i like the whole line yeah all right we were talking about diet earlier do you know what i found that i couldn't believe that i had to confirm that it's crazy.

29:18Have you guys ever seen what Babe Ruth's diet was like? Have you guys ever seen this? I know he's a big cigarette smoker. He ate a lot of candy bars, right? Did the name come from that? I'm pretty sure it came from the... I don't think he ate those candy bars. So Babe Ruth, right? One of the greatest baseball players. He was a big drinker. He was a big smoker. It's worse than you think. This is confirmed, okay? Now Babe Ruth, I've heard people People have beat his records and stuff, but people say the era when he did it, like how good he was. There's no one ever been just how good as he was, especially considering the era and all that stuff.

29:58A remarkable athlete, incredible athlete. This is how he started his day. He would start the day off with a porterhouse steak, between four to 18 eggs, a pile of fried potatoes, toast, a full pot of coffee and then my favorite part a pint of bourbon mixed with ginger ale that for whiskey or whiskey this was every morning this was breakfast dog that's a man meal a pint of bourbon mixed with ginger ale or whiskey i mean this is what he had in the morning and then a lumberjack slam on top of that and then mid-morning snack two to four hot dogs washed down with a coca-colas or sodas he was like a hot dog which by the way he would do multiple times a day sometimes consuming up to a dozen hot dogs total in a day.

30:44Lunch, two steaks, sometimes raw, sometimes raw, two orders of potatoes, a head of lettuce with blue cheese dressing. Now, do you believe all this was well-fed? Yes, because it's confirmed. There are multiple people that wrote about it. He had coaches that would, like, when they'd travel, they would try to get him to stop. Do you guys know he was hospitalized for indigestion at one point? Dude, nobody was eating like that, though. he must have been like king level in terms of how he was eating. At the time, he was wealthy and famous. Right, yeah. And then dinner. That's what he did with his money.

31:16Dinner, again, two porterhouse steaks. Again, raw sometimes, not cooked. He would eat them raw. Apple pile of mode. Chocolate ice cream. Makes me want to read his biography. Makes me want to read more deeper into him. Like, I don't have. Yeah, and he was, Doug, confirm this, because I saw about this as well. He got hospitalized for indigestion. He had such bad indigestion he went to hospital. I mean, the most impressive... What's happening, dude? Righteous gas. The most impressive and impressive by, I think, just the amount of calories I've ever seen is what Michael Phelps used to eat. Oh, yeah.

31:51Oh, yeah. Michael Phelps' regimen was... That's untouchable. But he had to because he was burning so many. Well, you got to think... Babe Ruth played baseball. Yeah, but Babe Ruth played both ways, though. Yeah. He was pitching and he was hitting. This is what makes him so famous was that that's why he was a great pitcher and he was a great hitter. We haven't seen that until Sohani or whatever now. Like that didn't happen. Like you didn't see a guy who hit home runs and also struck people out. So part of that is that. So I mean, he was probably still moving. Wow, look at this. Yeah, he was hospitalized from a severe stomach ache in April 1925.

32:24They dubbed it the belly ache hurt around the world. And he had a serious intestinal abscess requiring surgery, sidelining him for months and leading to intense media speculation. Brutal. Yeah, dude. I mean, crazy. And he was so good at what he did. Imagine if he ate healthy. You know, I hope that the evolution of this podcast, as your son gets into sports, turns into more of this. I always like this stuff. That's all. What do you mean? No, this stuff's cool. I like learning about some of these crazy athletes, how they trained, how they ate. I think that's cool. I like the physics of sports, like a fastball.

33:01The deeper you go, the more you find all of this stuff. I mean, how about the psychology of it? I love, like, you like, yeah. You like, like. Strategy. Yes, you love strategy. You love psychology. Like, there's so much of that in sports. Your dream is a success. It is. Well, you know why? Because I know how obsessive you get. So I'm like, I'm going to learn some shit about something I already love. Yeah, you like the dance. I'm like, I'm tuned in today. You know what I'm saying? You've been talking about fitness for 20, you know what I'm saying? I'm like, all right, that's cool. Yeah, I know that.

33:29You know what's funny about that, too? Because I'm not like a fantasy football guy or anything. and like i'm on this thread with a lot of my friends from chicago because like the bears are doing well this year and whatnot yeah i cannot believe like how many dumb like stats that they just like post like they have so many things you can just grab that are just like so irrelevant and they just geek out on it everybody's like well this you know those are my best friends right there i'm like dude how do you guys have time to look at all this they don't they don't you know at one point in your life uh and both my friends have regular nine to fives if you are an entrepreneur which all of us in here are at some point especially if you're gonna have any sort of success as an entrepreneur you become you you get into that the same way so you know and i watched that happen to myself as i transitioned from that like there was a and i remember my buddy who was kind of a more energy well yeah i remember my buddy was kind of a mentor of mine when i was still gaming and i was still watching all sports like i was the twice a day espn plus i'm watching the games you know and that was just so much time was dead because i loved it i had a passion around it i enjoyed it all my friends we were all geeked out on the stats yeah and but i also simultaneously had these big dreams to be this successful entrepreneur and i remember my good friend who was about six seven years older than me it was just like hey you know you're gonna have to like you you have these goals you have to stop playing video games yeah yeah yeah and i was like so adamant about no i'm not i'm gonna do both you know what i'm saying and then you have elon keep it up you know the greatest entrepreneur of all time he's like the best video game player yeah yeah but that and that and so what he's also probably not very involved with this kid well you oh you but you also put that what a great example right and that's what silly you know 20 year old me was thinking is that there's these examples of somebody who has but that's like comparing yourself to ronnie coleman and getting no that's like me looking at babe ruth's diet and being like yeah like that yeah yeah like you're talking about these there are these outliers there's these outliers and genetic anomalies that have been able to do that and so you you compare or you use your well just think imagine right now because it's such a great i'm so glad i said what i said about babe ruth because that's a great example someone listening right now who's really struggling with their health and their weight is like wait i eat like that how come i'm not What's going on, dude?

35:46I'm just obese and I have heart disease. Why is this working for me? There are the Hall of Fame baseball players? There are those. I wonder if the tradition of a hot dog at a ball game came from him then. No, I think there were before. Or he just ate them at the Coliseum. You know what? Did they sell them back then? That's what I'm wondering. I'm wondering if that became... When did they start selling hot dogs at a baseball game? It's an easy food to sell at a game, right? Because you can walk around with it. Yeah, but maybe because of one of the greatest players of all time to play the game had an obsession about eating them every single day.

36:21It became a thing. He had hot peanuts and that was a thing. Cracker Jacks, right? Cracker Jack, yeah. Ooh, Cracker Jacks were great. Yes, it was Babe Ruth who popularized hot dogs at baseball games. Look at that. Wow. It wasn't because he invented them, but it was his legendary appetite. Right, because that's what he ate all the time. What a missed sponsorship by Babe Ruth. He could have been sponsored by hot dog companies. He's been one of the ballpark dogs. By the way, he made it to 53 years old. That's it. Well, there you go. How did he die? Was it? It was cancer. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's terrible.

36:53All right, speaking of food, new food pyramid. Whoa, dude. So cool. Yes, yes. This is cool because the old food pyramid was garbage. A joke. It was garbage, everybody. Here's what's wild about the new food pyramid, okay? It's the old food pyramid upside down. I know. They took, it's almost, it's not 100%, but it's very close to being the opposite of the old food pyramid. This is how messed up we have. This is how awesome the government's been with advice. You know what's at the top of the new food pyramid? Meats, dairy, healthy fats, fruits, and vegetables. Grains at the bottom. Grains are at the bottom, bro.

37:36Now, not to piss in your Cheerios. Uh-oh. Okay, but we've known this forever. This probably makes zero difference in our society. All it really is is it like, we told you so. It's really all this. Well, unless they put it in all the schools. Oh, it will. It will, but I mean, you read the Upside Down Pyramid. Did that change? No, we're in a bubble. No, right. Think about like, yeah. The average person. Do you think so? It'll make a difference. It'll make a difference. Do you really think that any of your clients that you train that were average people were like, I've been following the food pyramid?

38:14People are definitely whatever is written is law. You go talk to the average person. Now, today might be a little different, but go back 20 years. Take the average person. I think Doug's a good person at this because I feel like that was heavily influenced back in his time. Our era, we started to piece this together. Did that influence? Do you think that influenced the way your family ate? I mean, did they really look at the food? I do think there was some influence, yes. Okay, okay. Yeah, dude. I think red meat's bad for you. Well, that definitely. Very bad for you. Well, that's just purely. No, it's also like milk.

38:50The old food pyramid changed milk where we had skim milk. Fat-free milk became a thing. Yeah, you get rid of all the fat. Yeah, dude. Butter threw it out, replaced it with margarine. That was because of government guidelines. So, yes, it plays a role. Totally. It's going to have an influence. So this is a good thing, everybody. Oh, it's definitely. No, I'm not. By the way, I'm not playing that. The Piston and the Cheerio thing is just like, does it make a difference? I mean, does it really change? Well, it's not the only thing. I think people are privy. Yeah, it's like, oh, duh. Finally, you're catching up.

39:16I mean, I feel like it's more of a, it's like, we told you so. It's more of a, you know, we've been saying this forever. Ever, you know, anybody who's been in the health and fitness space has been kind of making this argument for a very long time. At least in my, I mean. This is the first time in my life where I could point to the government and say, hey, some of the information they're given out is correct. I never did that before as a trainer. No. Usually as a trainer, I was like, ah, don't listen to them. Yeah. They're going to tell you terrible advice. That's fair. And I guess, you know, if it goes into schools and does it start to affect and reflect like medical doctors.

39:47Yes, it will. Okay. And so that. Yes. And dieticians are taught off this. This is how like actual dieticians learn off of these guidelines. So again, a lot of them have now moved. yeah curriculum is gonna have to by the way this is late hey it's literally almost exactly flipped upside down yeah yeah almost exactly they're talking about sugars and processed foods are the worst which yeah of course but now they're gonna really you know talk about that and and say hey you guys should probably avoid this which is funny because the food companies they've been putting out propaganda which is hilarious which is like it's processed food isn't the enemy you're just overeating in their skin everything subsidized was like eating big mass quantities you know yeah interesting they have on usda the myplate.gov site you can actually get details about that they have a new edition of their little book here you can pull off of the site isn't that great you guys you know so before the after the original food pyramid they have my plate remember that one now the food pyramid was introduced in the early 90s if i'm not mistaken wasn't it was the original for a long time i think we had it but yeah i don't know how long it was the 90s if i'm not mistake really yeah the original food pyramid when did that come out doug i'm gonna look it i'm gonna guess it was 91 i thought it was before that i don't think it was the 80s i really i but i thought i remember in elementary school being taught this i thought that was i thought it goes 1974 oh god no no sorry in the that was sweden in 1992 you're right in the u.s hey yeah you get another one you started it yeah i know i know we started over it's one-to-one it's a new year dude hey I gotta tell you I saw something I confirmed it it made me laugh so hard it made me laugh so hard so Justin's gonna love this but Justin if I were to ask you of all of the sea creatures all of the animals that live in the ocean which ones are just the biggest jerks like which ones are just mean killer whales yeah yeah orcas yeah but okay but but justifiably usually yeah well they're just they're just mean bro like they they they torture things they mess with animals they orcas yeah they do horrible stuff you know what they're you know what they do you know what somewhere and they've been knocking over boats because they've been getting in their um well that's different migration but just the way that they mess with other animals and what they do and how they pass well they're they're yeah they're effective they're like wolves yeah and how dolphins and them will pass around puffer fish and get high like they're weird do you know that's true you know that right they'll have a puffer i'm ashamed that i didn't get or i'm mad at you i didn't get to answer that you went straight i got it right i got it right i was brought up dolphin but the thing dolphins have like a nice like qualities but then they also like rape yeah dude you know that dolphins are like crazy rapers they're rapers yeah other dolphins or other things no like people yeah like animals yes oh Do you guys remember?

42:46You guys didn't hear about this? There was a, well, I'll get back to Orca. There was this woman, there was this woman who got funding. She was a scientist who got funding to, to give dolphin. I don't know how the hell you get funded. Okay. So because they were losing attention, she was trying to communicate. And the whole like premise for this like study was like, they were trying to be able to learn how they communicate and teach them language and then back and forth. And so she was giving them, she was losing attention from them. so she would end up jerking them off. That's a scientific term, by the way.

43:19By the way, LSD was a dolphin. They were also using LSD. They were using psychedelics to see if it would improve communication. And she ended up having sexual relationships with dolphins. That's true. You look it up. I think it was in the 70s. What? If I'm not mistaken. Yeah, I do. Look at Adam. Adam's like, they're not even the hot animals. They're the least attractive. So outside of this giving dolphins, are they doing this behavior outside of giving them LSD and checking them off? Yeah, dolphins have been known to rape other dolphins, fish to do weird... Seals, I'm sure. How do we determine as humans that that's rape?

43:55Well, I don't think... The struggle. How do we know there wasn't consent? How are we so arrogant that we're like, oh, that's definitely rape? I think they show distress, bro. I think they fight and they often get killed sometimes I don't know think about if you were a seal and all of a sudden you had a dolphin behind you listen this is where I love how do we know if a seal is being raped I love I love when Science Sal just to go on the studies and then nobody questions that wait a second how do we determine as humans The seals are hanging out. Hey, man. Let's go. Hey, man. You can hang out with those dolphins.

44:40I'm pretty sure the interspecies thing is probably a good indication that it was non-consensual. Well, that's fair. But they're saying like other dolphins. It's like, I mean. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, because I think they try to escape and get away, and they get cornered. When do you get cornered in the ocean? Don't go too far, bro. I'm not going to go. I'm not going to go. Also, it's infanticide, so they actually kill babies. And so the thing is, I guess, with dolphins, the females are promiscuous because they're trying to not have the other males know whose kid it is. So are the males more likely?

45:14Because I know some species, the mothers are more likely to eat the children. It's the fathers that are eating it? If they think it's not their young. Yeah, they'll kill them. Then they'll kill them. That's common, though, in the animal kingdom. Yeah, certain mammals, yeah. So anyway, orcas. Grizzly bears. You know what some orcas are doing? What? This is the funniest thing, dude. Let's hear more science here. They're wearing dead salmon as hats. They're putting salmon on their head. Are you serious? Yes, bro. Look up salmon, orca salmon. Wow, I did not know that. They're coming up out of the water, and they have a dead salmon on their head, and they're showing each other.

45:48And it's like, literally, scientists are like, it seems to be a trend because other orcas start to copy them. They get a dead salmon, and they wear it on their head. What is that? I didn't even love that. What is that? Nobody knows. Oh, my God. I was reading articles on it because I saw a post. I'm like, this is not real. And it is real, dude. Hey, Bob, check this out. See, look, dude. Salmon hats. Orca salmon hats refer to a bizarre yet documented behavior where southern resident killers wear dead salmon on their heads.

46:25They had a little bit too much puffer fish. Yeah. Are they bored? Go down to what it says the scientists are debating about. Let me hear what it meaning. Nothing. The behavior often spreads through pods, like a cultural trend. Yeah. Maybe one did it. And then he's the cool orca or he ate it. And it just like landed on his head. And he's like, Oh, he thought it was hilarious. Why are they doing this? It became a thing. So it was a first appearance was in 1987 and I think it disappeared. And then it resurged again in 2024. So styles do repeat themselves. They call it a retro trend, bro. I mean I wonder if it's like the signal that there's a lot of salmon over in this area to fish or hunt or like you're telling your homies like hey there's lots of salmon over here they're guessing they don't know why they're literally saying look at the article wearing a salmon hat as hats is in vogue so hot right now what so weird orcas are messed up dude yeah that's dark I wouldn't wear dead animal oh wait a minute that's what we do we gotta do that too raccoon hat nevermind hey I think you saw this I don't know if you saw you carry it is your son not into Legos yeah he kind of is it's not a big big thing but he likes them do you see the new smart Lego smart tech what's a smart Lego so they literally okay so have you seen the Mario collection at all yeah yeah yeah okay and like they have like a they have like a sensor in it and then they make noises yeah and you have like so and I'm sure that's probably what started the train because i think how popular that that whole series went now all of them are going to become smart legos legos they'll be able to charge and they'll all they'll be able to sense each other and create so your kid can build like a lego train yeah and now when he moves it it'll make the sounds and then like other legos that he builds will interact with that because it'll sense the bluetooth oh cool yeah yeah yeah it has different lights like proximity wise it like turns different lights on and yeah it's got all these like features did it have anything about like it being almost like a little motor too or was that no so that's what that's the tech leg yeah the tech side of it is these they'll be built in the legos so what you in the mario ones you used to have to put batteries in it and so this is going to be like a wireless charge type of situation and then it'll be it'll just automatically connect cool just a new way to be creative and figure things out.

48:52I've been fascinated with Lego ever since my son got into them. Remember I told you, I started... I went right away, went to go see if I could buy stock and that's when I found out that they were a private company and I'm like, they're huge and they're partnerships with... Aren't they Swedish? Danish. One of those. Not here. How about that? Not from here. Do you guys want to hear the cutest thing that my five-year-old did? The sweetest, cutest thing ever yeah so every time we come home we don't wear shoes in the house right but he takes his socks off too shoes and socks off every time socks off socks off like that and i'm always i thought he just liked to be barefoot so i'm like whatever and uh i don't remember what it was hey keep your socks on because we're gonna go back outside it was it became a thing and so i said why do you take your socks off every time we come in the house and he goes it's for mama and i said what and then it dawned on me so ever since he was little my wife has loved playing with his feet and she calls his feet cute and they're so chubby and whatever and he does it and so i said you're doing that for mom and he goes yeah so that she thinks i'm cute and then she comes and plays with me and he told his mom of course she got emotional how cute is that he just does it that's because he thinks his mom likes it that's isn't that the sweetest ever max is the same thing but it's not for those reasons i think it's funny he's like he's we have let max since he was little uh you know we have a lot of privacy around our house and so if he's walking around his underwear or whatever it's like no who cares no big deal but he's gotten so comfortable with that that he'll it'll be like midday this was way over the break he had two weeks off so we were obviously home a lot doing legos and we'll be like in the middle of day like at noon he'll be like dad can i take off my clothes it's like two in the afternoon we're building legos like i don't even run the house that hot and he's just like i'm i want i'm uncomfortable and i'm like i don't care bro and he stripped down to his underwear you know what i'm saying his place yeah then he played legos He's got his underwear on.

50:44Yeah. And he knows when we have gas, no, we have someone coming over, so you can't do that. But he likes to be down to just damn near anything, and he's comfortable like that. He runs hot. He gets uncomfortable in clothes and stuff like that. But I think it's just so nice. You just reminded me of what happened yesterday. I was in the bathroom, and I had to change my shirt because I was going to film out here. Yesterday, I did a lot of filming. And so I was going to the bathroom, but I had my shirt hanging over the top. So Adam walks in. He's like, dang, bro. It's like, you're getting too big, you have to take your shirt off to go to the bathroom.

51:15And we were cracking up. But I used to know guys like this. I used to know dudes that were bodybuilder types. They would have to go to the bathroom. They would have to take their shirt off. Yeah. They would take their... I shared an embarrassing story with Sal after he shared that with me. And I was like, dude, I'll never forget a time. We all have moments where you realize, whoa. Too far. Yeah, too far. Right? I remember sweating being like, I'm like 8 % body fat. So I'm not like. You're big. But I'm big. And I remember going to the bathroom was like so much effort that I would sweat. And the reason why it was, was I was so big and strong in the sagittal plane at the rotation to turn my body.

52:01And I remember like sweat coming down my brow, which I'm going like, oh, wow. There's that. I tell that story and I tell the other story. sitting and breathing is really loud. I remember it's a similar time, right? This was like, okay, this is enough, right? Like, I remember we were near your house, the beach over there, and I forget what exit that is, where the bathrooms are, and there's a roundabout where the, I don't know what beach, I forget what the beach is. Oh, oh, oh. You know what I'm talking about, Justin. Yeah, you drive to the beach. And there's a roundabout, and there's a restroom right there.

52:31Twin Lakes. Huh? Twin Lakes. Is that what it is? I don't remember, but it's over by you. Seacliff? Yeah, I think it's Seacliff, actually. And it's a common area. And we parked there and we go. But then you got to walk. Yeah, you got to walk. We walk out to the sand a little bit. And we're eating, doing our thing. I go back to the bathroom. And I remember walking back. Again, I'm buff. I'm in shape. I look good. But I remember my shins were burning. And I was like, I had to stop to take a breath. And I'm like, OK, this is like. Too much, dude. Yeah, too much. This is way too much. This is extreme.

53:05I need to go the other direction. All right, I'm going to change direction. So the Caldera Lab product, the great. So I was using the serum. I've been using the great. It's so good. And I had Doug look up what they put in there. So they use exosomes in there. Do you guys know what exosomes are? So these are like baby stem cells, aren't they? Okay, so I pulled up, kind of. I pulled up. It's related to stem cells somehow. Yeah, so I pulled up. Oh, shit, I lost it. Doug, pull up their, oh, here we go. Now, these are exosome-like nanoparticles. They come from plants. They're similar in structure and function to animal-derived exosomes but originate from sources like fruits, vegetables, herbs, or plants.

53:44So they use plant exosomes. They're very, very small, and they play a role in intracellular communication. Interesting. So when you use them, they promote cellular repair, collagen synthesis. They strengthen the skin barrier, wound healing. They reduce inflammation. They help regeneration. of the skin and there how many exosomes they actually have a number it's in the billions um that's a lot so yeah 150 billion exosomes per application so this is like a new technology for skincare and their their product the great has it and that's the only one i use now so that so this is interesting how we've evolved and i noticed a difference we've evolved with with skincare because the old school way was like got bleaching killing or oil over the top of you like And now we're getting to this place where we're using nanoparticle of plants to go in and actually repair and make your cells healthier or bring down inflammation.

54:42Such a healthier way to do this. It's cool. And their products also promote a really healthy skin microbiome. So what a lot of people also report is less acne, which a lot of skin care products, especially moisturizing ones, tend to promote acne for people. This is like anti because it balances out your microbiome. You know, Katrina and I had this, I don't know if you guys' wives talk about it. She has a lot of girlfriends who have, we're getting that age now where I think it's more common to, you know, a lot of injectable stuff, a lot of plastic surgery, a lot of stuff like that. And Katrina's never done any of that.

55:21And she's talked about, you know, at one point, you know, I get to an age, I want to do that. I'm like, honey, don't do that. I am so for all the things to promote longevity. The red light, the caldera labs, the exosomes, the stem cells. That stuff is a natural way to keep you youthful and looking young. The plastic fake way, I really think that's going to fall out of favor in the next decade or two because it doesn't look good. You think it looks good. Everybody looks the same. It looks fake. It's not a good look. Look, you could go on their website. I know I'm going to piss people off. No, no, listen.

55:59I got a story. So first off, you can go on Caldera Lab website. They have before and afters, and they run studies. So they actually do studies that are controlled and all that stuff, and you can see the difference. We were, I won't say too much, but we were out, and this woman's walking towards me, and she's like, Sal, oh, my God, how you been? I don't know who you are. Yeah. We start talking, and then it dawns on me, oh, my God. Done plastic surgery. She worked out in my gym, not with me, but one of my trainers. But I saw her all the time for years. Yeah. I knew her husband. I knew her son. I didn't recognize her.

56:37And it was because her face didn't move. She had injections in her lips. Fillers and all that stuff. She didn't, I didn't recognize her, bro. Yeah. I didn't know who she was. That perception drift thing that I brought up. It's crazy. It's a real thing. And I feel so bad because I know she felt that I didn't recognize her. Yeah. Because we were talking and I was like, you know, and I'm sure I offended her because she'd worked out at my gym for probably seven years. So it was not like somebody I kind of knew. I knew her well. Yeah. Just hadn't seen her for probably 15 years. Yeah. And I looked at her.

57:08I was like, who is this person? Then when she left, I was like thinking. I'm like, oh, my God. That's so and so. Yeah. God, they did so much that you can't even recognize it. It's crazy. I mean, did your guys' wives talk about it all or like where they stand on it? The fact that Katrina even brings it up and I explain, like I talked to her about like, because it's always, I just want a little bit or I'm just, and I'm going, that's where it starts. I said, that's where the perception drift starts. A little, and then it's a little more and then it's a little more and then it's a little more. By the way, no different than what I just admitted about the big Jack bodybuilder guy.

57:38You know what I'm saying? Like when I first started, it's not like I woke up one day and I was this guy who couldn't go to the bathroom without sweating or walking across the beach. It was a little bit. It was like, oh, I could be a little more Jacked, a little more Jacked. And then it's like, oh my god yeah exactly same concept so i just feel i get it i admit it i feel bad too especially it's tempting for them you know it is it's it does like make a difference like so and courtney thankfully has been around enough of her friends that do these botox parties and they do like a lot of those things and she's seen like you know the where it's like oh there's some benefit and then you see like a dramatic difference it's like oh my god that does not look good and i I don't want to get to that level.

58:17And so she's actually gone back and forth with it, but has, you know, pulled more of her attention into like creating her own moisturizers and like doing things with all, like all these like natural like remedies and options for it and using red light, using Caldera, using all the things like possible to, you know, help benefit her skin. But yeah, like a lot of her friends like can get like, she used to go to a lot of those like parties and it gets excessive. like it's it's a lot look i get it as somebody who's you know tried to manipulate how he looked for most of my life like i get it i totally get it but it's you know you just take it big picture we make youth we place youth so high like it's the most valuable thing that we've completely devalued uh the true value of wisdom and getting older and to the point where it's like it's like the worst possible thing that could happen to you is you look like you're getting a little bit older yeah and for women in particular it's like oh my value is my beauty that's my value that's a terrible place to be because uh at some point um you know you get older if you're lucky by the way not everybody ages some people die uh but so and you got to face that you got to face that that that inevitable so but i get it you know i totally I mean, you've seen a trend, actually, though, in Hollywood, even, like, with Pam Anderson and, like, even recently in Stranger Things.

59:45What was the lady's name that was in Terminator? Sarah Connor? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, full wrinkles. Like, she's, like, her age and, like, didn't do anything. But it looks great. It looks great. But the thing is, she's like, I earned these. And, like, there's, like, a kind of a badge of honor movement with it, which is cool. That's what I think. I think we're just in this weird time of when the Botox plastic surgery got to the point where they got pretty good at it and got better. And I think we're going to see a trend go the other way, especially as all natural products and things like red light therapy and things like that.

1:00:16Because that stuff, it helps you look younger, longer. Through health. Through health and natural. It looks good. Through better health. Yes. And that's a good look. And I think that we've gotten so far, we've come so far with the science there that I believe, Justin, I think you're on, that that is going to become the trend. I think we're in this weird transition. I don't know if you guys are familiar with the studies on Botox. These are just kind of scary studies, but your ability to emote, okay? You go in and you kill the nerves. Well, besides that, your ability to emote, like your facial emotions reflect your inner feelings, but it's not a one-way street.

1:00:56your facial expressions also communicate to your inside to your brain how you feel right so when you change how your face emotes you actually start to become more numb and you start to feel less and there's studies on this yeah there are studies so you do enough stuff to your face you don't feel like you used to and because it's a slow process five years later you don't realize where you're at yeah but you just kind of like uh things are not the same little numb feel a little bit like If you have a hard time smiling, that's a big problem. Yeah, dude. Because it's not, again, it's not a one-way street.

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1:03:19So high protein and enough calories. And you don't have to be crazy high, but you need to be in a surplus. Just eat enough to build muscle. And a good two-day-a-week traditional strength. I have a lot of experience with this. At one point, because of the amount of doctors that I trained, they would send me their patients. And at one point, I trained a few women who were either osteoporosis or osteoporosis. And because they were in those categories, they would get their bone mass, bone density tests done regularly. And they all came back positive, where they were adding bone density. One of them, the fact that their doctor made her a case study because of the reversal.

1:03:57And it was just traditional strength training, eating enough food. Next question is from Morgan B. Peterson. How do women know if they need testosterone? Can they even get TRT? And what levels are normal for an athletic female age 21? I don't know what the normal range of testosterone is for women. You'd have to look that up. You go get blood work and they'll tell you. Yeah, but the symptoms of low testosterone in women is exactly the same as the symptoms of low testosterone in men. So there's this myth or this incorrect belief that testosterone is the male hormone. Yeah. Estrogen is the female hormone.

1:04:36No, not true. No, the truth is estrogen and testosterone and progesterone are male and female hormones. We both have them. The difference is the ratios and the amounts, right? Men obviously have a lot more testosterone. Women have a lot less. Estrogen is different for women than it is for men. But if a woman's testosterone is low, she'll experience what a man will if his is low, which is like low libido, low drive, low motivation, depression, aches and pains. Yeah, you start responding in the gym. Body fat percentage starts to gain. Yeah, that kind of stuff. So what you would do is you would get tested and I recommend going to a hormone clinic, like a specialized clinic.

1:05:18And what they'll typically do is look at your testosterone levels plus talk to you about your symptoms because it's both. I do want to comment though. Most common in a 20-year-old or a young female with this is underfed and overtrained. If their testosterone is low, 100%. Yes. Or birth control sometimes can mess things up. Oh, good point. Yeah, yeah. But I'd say the most common thing when I had someone that was young that was commonly found in a lot of athletic, a lot of my athletes. Hardcore athletes, lost their period, hasn't had it for a couple years. Yes, trains really hard. So over-trained, under-fed is the more, it's not everything, but it tends to be the more common reason for this.

1:06:00And so sometimes before, and I say this because I caution people to just go to a hormone place, find out, and then go on TRT, you should first make sure you're not that person that needs to reduce the intensity and potential volume of training and reverse diet and increase calories because many times this will balance that rarely will they put a 21 year old female on hormone replacement therapy unless there's some other medical conditions or anything like that typically it's lifestyle typically it's lifestyle hormone replacement therapy tends to be more appropriate for women who are perimenopause or menopause in age.

1:06:37Next question is from the Great Cascadian Ape. I've been able to improve all my big lifts and have steadily made progress with strength, but I still find push-ups aggravate my back and have more or less always been a struggle for me. What tips would you give to someone who wants to improve their push-ups? So it depends what you're talking about your back. I'm going to assume it's your low back. Yeah. If you're doing big lifts, it's your low back. And so the problem with this is you're not activating your core and tucking your tailbone enough in your push-up. So what's happening is you're going down to the push-up, your back is arching really strong.

1:07:11Arching excessively. And you're pushing your upper body up, which is making the arch even stronger, and you're getting shearing in the low back. So what you would do is you would start at the top, you brace your core and tuck your tailbone a little bit, and your whole body has to move to the unit. Rezied like a board. The whole body has to move to the unit. There's not two sections. Sometimes people do push-ups, it's like upper body comes up, lower body comes up. The whole thing moves together. The way you progress something like this is get a barbell, put it up on a rack that's higher, start with your higher push-up, and then as you get better, lower the bar until you get down to the floor.

1:07:44In my experience, that's the best way. Yeah, and slow down and work on that bracing technique and squeeze the glutes, squeeze the abs. Make sure you don't break that at all as you go down and get to the bottom of your rep and press up. So you try to maintain that tension consistently throughout the entire range of motion. Perfectly. I was going to say the exact same thing. And that becomes the qualifier on do we do more reps. It's not that could you push up more reps. It's how long can you continue to brace the core by squeezing the abs and squeezing the glutes. As soon as you lose tension there and you can't do that anymore, I don't care if you feel like you can get five or ten more push-ups.

1:08:21You're done with the reps right there. We need to progress the ability for you to stay rigid with the glutes engaged, the abs engaged, while doing the push-ups before you move and do more push-ups or add weight or resistance to the pushup. Next question is from Terry Jennings 113. How do I know if I should continue to train when I have an injury? I've had two knee revisions on the same knee and I think it's going out again. You know, when I hear someone ask me a question like this, I mean, I could give you some general answers, but because of where you're at, you've had two knee revisions, I'm assuming surgeries on the same knee.

1:08:55You feel like it's going out. you know how much time that that takes out of your life how much it costs you know the the the cost to your quality of life hire a good so glad you went trainer yes like someone who understand an experienced trainer one that understands correctional exercise one that is not a trainer not a not a group exercise trainer take out the guesswork and hire someone who understands correctional exercise they will fix this for you it'll prevent it'll it'll save you from having to get another knee surgery it's not a knee problem it's a movement problem and that is one of the hardest things to come and the hardest things to communicate to a client that has had multiple knee surgeries or issues with their knees is they've been told by doctors they have a bad bad knee and so they come to you they're like should i do squats or should i do these moves because i have a bad knee it's like no the reason why your knees feel bad is because of poor movement and we need to get better at the movement and we need to know a good coach or trainer or a good movement specialist knows how to regress you to a place that doesn't stress the knee, that teaches you how to move better and then hinge the knee properly and the hips and everything that's involved in this and get good at those movements and then progressively overload it and get strong in the muscles that support the knee.

1:10:12You don't have bad knees, you have bad movement and just stopping the movement is not a good idea but this is such an important investment It's like the surgeries can't be cheap, the time out of work or the things you do can do. That's why I said that. Yeah, and what's inhibiting that movement? You need a coach to pull it out. Sacrifice the Christmas presents, sacrifice the things that you were going to spend money on, go invest in a movement specialist that helps you get to the bottom of this and teaches you how to move more properly or move better, and then hopefully we don't have to do more.

1:10:42That's exactly why I said that. Yes, I love that you went right to that direction. Because you'll save money. And I say that because when you look at the cost, when you need surgery, it seems like it's expensive, but, oh, I have to do this because I have this injury. When you look at a coach before you get injured, it's like, eh, maybe I could, maybe, I don't know. Is this money I want to spend? You talk yourself out of it. It'll save you money. It'll save you surgeries. It'll save you time out from work. It'll save you recovery. It'll save you all these different things. And I say that because a good coach or a good trainer is going to cost you, you know, around$100 an hour.

1:11:14The knee is like a door hinge, okay? And imagine you had - Except way more complex. But listen. No, listen. Yeah, because it's floating and there's all kinds of things. But listen to the analogy. It's like a door hinge. And Justin is hanging on your door. And you open and close that door every day. Eventually, that hinge is going to wear, tear, and it's going to hurt. And then their doctor's going to tell you, you need to replace the hinge. It's like, no, get Justin off the fucking door. That's the problem. And it's not moving properly. It's not swinging properly. And then it wears and tears. And then you have to keep redoing it.

1:11:47with my second hat. Or you never open the door again, which you don't want to do that either. You want to be able to open and close the door again. Eventually the door won't open. That's exactly right. And so that's why you want to solve the root issue here. And it's not the bad knee. It's not just getting surgery again. Totally. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. We'll see you there. It's at Mind Pump Media. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance, Check out our discounted RGB Super Bundle at mindpumpmedia.com.

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