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34:10And then afterwards, all the guys look at each other and go, we don't like this guy. He's a weasel. Well, look at – But on social media – Who's that famous virgin anti-Semitic guy right now? What's his name? Oh, yes. Nick Fuentes. Yeah, that's an example right there. Exactly. That dude would never get a platform. No. No. No, you get beat up in the group. No. It's actually weird that he's so popular. Well, because he's propped. Well, maybe that. Or he's attracting more kids that are like that. Yeah. But you're right. Because you know it's a good point, too. That was the best. That was the, of the conversation that we had with Jordan Peterson, that was my favorite part or take that he brought up because at that point, this was right when Elon was taking over Twitter and there was this hope that Elon was going to go in and save Twitter and make it this better place.

34:56And I remember asking him that question and his response. I don't think we can. Yeah. And I was, and it blew me away because I had not thought about it from that perspective of the way the algorithm works. It rewards. It rewards the crazy, outlandish, most extreme things. The dysfunctional people in society. That in a real society would never tolerate. In a real world where we were all in a room or area, the thing that goes most viral or everybody's talking about is not, that person would not be able to do that. Well, there's also this myth. In real life. There was this myth for a long time that strong, powerful, aggressive bullies, If we got them out of the way, then everybody would be better because we assume that the weak, scared, you know, whatever, frail guys would never be bullies if given power.

35:48We now see. A lot of them have become powerful. A lot of them have developed, become billionaires or millionaires because of tech and all that stuff. And guess what? They're just as bad, if not worse. Yeah. Because their power is much more far reaching. Yeah. So it's like, you know, I think human behavior is just human behavior. Yeah. But you're right, those checks and balances. You know, back to like the scantily, you know, dressing scantily and all that stuff. For most of, I mean, for a lot of human history, it was women that checked women. It wasn't, you know, we look at men as the ones checking, but women really checked each other a lot because it was competitive.

36:26If you're going to dress that way, you're going to attract my husband or whatever. And so they would check each other quite a bit over that kind of stuff. I mean, same things. I mean, for danger. For danger of that. There's a different type of danger. No, no. It was competition. Well, I mean, okay. You think competition or like the danger of losing and wrecking your nuclear family? Oh, I see what you're saying. I think it meant danger like physical danger. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, yeah. I mean, it's causing potential danger to society. It's like you're going to impact potentially my nuclear family, which we cared so much about 50 years ago.

37:00You know what I'm saying? That we don't seem to care as much about. Anyway, I want to talk about the new meal replacement shakes that we got. Oh, how do you like them? They're delicious. They're delicious. And your tummy can handle them. They're fine. It's so cute. Well is the company. This is chocolate. Is that how you say it? Well? I think so. I always said Huel. Huel. Sorry. Well, he gets fancy. It's like fuel. Why do you make my protein powder racist, bro? Hey, I was looking at Adam when I said that. I know. I see why you look at me while you do it. Hey, Adam. Be well. It's well. Fuel. It's hilarious.

37:40It's delicious. So it's vegan protein. So you can have it. So you have intolerance. Yeah. Macros are really good. So this whole bottle is 400 calories, so it's like a meal. 18 grams of fat, 29 grams of carbs, 35 grams of protein. Oh, 35 grams of protein. And the protein sources that they use are really high quality. So in vegan sources, pea protein, which is one of the main sources, is the highest and essential amino acid. Now, be honest, because we know how hard it is to make a vegan protein shake. It tastes really good. Really? Yeah, it's really good. Oh, you make me want to try. No, I try. It's actually really, really good.

38:12Really? Yeah, it doesn't taste like a lot of good peas. I love that they're ready to drink. I like ready-to-drink protein shakes. It's just super convenient. Put it in your fridge, and you're set. Says the rich guy. All right, dude. The guy spends all his money on my Ferraris. That's why you spend all your money on supplements and shakes and bars. No, Huel is a really good company, really good ingredients. It's got omega-6s, omega-3s. It's got lots of nutrients. So it's not like a crappy. A lot of times you see replacement shakes, especially ready to drink. Yeah. And they're basically just trying to make it taste good.

38:50Yeah, yeah. But this is all of it. Well, they get a line of all kinds of stuff. And I know that our fridge is stocked now that they're working with us. So I'm curious to try. I see them all over the place. They have like exploded in the last, just the last year. I remember when they first reached out, but they didn't have the ready to drink yet. It's because they taste good. I mean, the truth is when it comes to meal replacement or protein, yes, you want quality. You want all those things. That's what we'll talk about. We won't partner with anyone unless it's quality, but for it to be popular, it has to taste good.

39:17People just won't have a shake. I feel like you're making my argument. It's true. Now I don't, I'll drink anything. I'll blend up tuna fish. That's right. That's why the real test will be when Justin and I taste it. I feel like, because I'm like, Sal is like. Yeah, if you guys take it, it's all right. You eat sardines. You're both putting sardines in a can. I'm trying to think. Who's more picky between the two, Justin? Justin's more picky. Way more picky. Way more picky. I was going to say you, but I'm like, what am I thinking? I stick with the go-tos. Yeah, you're talking to the chicken nugget guy.

39:44I don't fucking. That's the guy that orders chicken strips. You guys eat more chicken nuggets. Dude, please. You guys are a chicken nugget denial. it's fine i own it uh i i have a i have a question for you since we're on the topic of supplements and so that so um first of all one i didn't know that uh this parasite cleanse you got me on is like a like a gray market thing until i people started asking me about it and i realized that i'm not supposed to tell you that too i don't remember you tell me it's gray market i don't know i don't remember that either i don't remember i just trust this guy so much when he He just tells me to take something out here.

40:25You're fine. And then I get people asking. Yeah, it's great market, dude. Yeah, I didn't know that. So ivermectin is part of it. You can get that. Oh, there's ivermectin in that? Ivermectin's in it. Okay. And then fenbendazol is the other one. And that's typically used with animals. But in other countries, people use, humans use it all the time. It's been around for a long time. And it kills every parasite. And so when you buy it, it's kind of like great market. Yeah, because people are now asking. I don't recommend, I can't recommend. You can't recommend, no, we can't. And I didn't either, thank God I didn't.

40:57Adam does all kinds of crazy stuff. Because I saw like, you know, functional medicine doctors commenting under people asking me, going like, you should probably consult your doctor before it. And I'm like, I didn't know I was taking something great market, I had no idea. But the reason why I'm asking that, so the reason, one, to bring that up, just to make that clear. By the way, have you noticed any improvement, any symptoms or anything like that? You know, okay, yes, but can I draw it back to that? It's hard to say, Sal, because you've got me on so many supplements that I've never in my life have I taken consistently I have.

41:32And I'm on my diet, and I'm training really good, and I'm on my second, finally two months recovered now. And I'm still not 100. I'd say I'm like 85, 90. Nice, dude. So yeah, I had an 84 sleep score. So I'm starting to see 80. Are you using Epitalin? So yeah. Did that help with sleep? I mean, again, I mean, you like to look for smoking guns. I'm more like I'm doing all the things. I'm the kitchen sinker. Yeah. Well, I'm doing all the things. And so I think a lot of what I feel is a lot of everything that I'm doing. Again, main point of bringing all this up is to bring up one of our other partners and ask you that this gray market thing that I'm taking, does it conflict with me taking seed?

42:12No. No. Keep taking your probiotic. Oh, because I stopped. No, keep taking your probiotic. I thought it was. No, you're fine. Okay. Yep. Keep taking your probiotic. Would that be a good thing for me to be doing it more? Okay. Okay, well, good to know. Because I had Katrina and I pause that until - No, it will have no effect. As the saga goes on, Katrina's now taking it because we didn't know about that. The Green Market family. Doug, I feel like he was really gray. Like, here, take this. You'll be fine. That was like the - Doug's taking it. I've done it. Okay. Yeah. Did you notice? I didn't notice anything, really.

42:45Okay. So I feel good, but it could be a lot of things right now. It fixed my gut, bro. It fixed my gut. I mean, the thing that I'm paying attention to the most is, you know what sold me? I told you guys what sold me was I started reading up on the correlation between parasites and psoriasis. And over 50 % of people who have psoriasis also suffer from a parasite. Is your psoriasis getting better? Well, again, yes. Right now it is. Although I did notice at first it was a little bad, but it also says on the parasite thing that you might notice symptoms get worse. It's called the Herxheimer effect.

43:24So when you die off, some people feel like garbage at first. So this is what makes me think that it might be working is because the first week, I had these kind of mild headaches every day. My psoriasis did feel pretty bad. And I actually, those are dissipating or gone away. And my psoriasis looks like it's starting to get better right now. So again, I'm doing all the things. Take your probiotic, take seed, no matter what. Same dose, everything the same. I'll even tell you to take a probiotic when you're taking an antibiotic. Some people say it's a waste of time, but I think if you space them, it's not going to populate your gut, but I think it's good to even have good bacteria in there, even if it's for a moment.

44:03Okay, so that's what I used to do afterwards. Yeah, so you do it during. I still do it during. If I take an antibiotic at the AM, I'll take the probiotic. Mainly to offset any overgrowth of other things, because you can get overgrowth of fungus and things that antibiotics don't touch. And probiotic, even if it's in there temporarily or transiently, it helps. Okay, well, that excites me because I thought I would, exactly what you just described is what I thought I was wasting. I thought I was, I don't want to waste. No, dude, I'm excited that we got it here finally because we went, I've been without seed now for a few weeks because they didn't send us any, which makes me angry, seed.

44:38You guys, I think they're here now. I think they're here now. Makes me so mad. So I went and bought. Nothing like threaten them on their commercials. I bought. Give me product. Yeah, so I bought some. I had to go buy some myself. And what a difference. Huge difference. It's like, oh, man, I noticed a huge difference in my digestion. Yeah. Inflammation with it. Huge. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, anyway. Anyway, I was reading an article, side note, on. Something less sexist. Yeah. We covered all that. It was a study. Dude, I had another thing I was going to bring up. I'm not going to bring it up. Bro, why didn't you just pour?

45:11We're already getting lit on this. You may as well go all in. I'd rather that than you put it on another episode. Okay, fine. He's like, you know, girls are moody. I've been meaning to talk about this. Please, get it out now. We're already on fire right now. You guys know my track record of watching cult shows on Cult Watch. There was one I didn't realize, and this has been out for a bit on Netflix. It's called Orgasm Inc. What? It was called what? Orgasm Inc. Hey, that didn't get recommended to me. Hey. is a cult. And it was run by women. And dude, and what did they do? It was. So they started a Bella danger.

45:51I mean, maybe she was part of it, but yeah, yeah. Now everybody's going to Google her. Way to go. Yeah. So with the poor, so when he was younger, Oh, I used to watch Bathsheba on the rooftop. She was great. What'd she do? anyway so orgasm ink is yeah so they they got popularity i think this was a few years back um and i mean the whole message of it was like to get women to just come and get an orgasm like they they they were like highlighting this whole technique and like so they would of course guys like you know sign up for this too and like they're coming they're basically like showed some finger technique and they're doing all this stuff and getting all graphic do it with your hand i don't want to do it you're gonna get me to do this come on dude just show me now let's give me an example it's so funny because it's like it was in san francisco and it's like right in our backyard um of course and uh some of these guys are or something else like you should see what they look like but uh so they're there doing the thing and you know this is all about so they're not uh getting their orgasm but they're providing it for women it's a safe thing that they created whatever um it turns into like she has a ted talk that like explodes and it's like all about like you know most women don't ever like actually have an orgasm and so and here's like now how was the benefit because you get that you achieve spiritual something yes they started to turn it into that almost always through a sexual yeah it started with sex and and you know and i was like okay i've seen this before but but i haven't seen it with women like really guide directing and it the lady that was like in charge of this whole thing, you start like getting further along, getting to her backstory.

47:42And it's like, it's so dark. Like her whole thing was like, she, you know, was molested, rape. And then she gets over this by being like, you know, like I basically she's, she's, it has no weight or power over her. So, so they're hyperpromiscuity. So therefore, yes. So hyperpromiscuity, but turns into like some of her followers that are going through all this like now she's including men in in the mix and they're complaining because they you know they're uncomfortable with it they're sort of like rapes happening and she's like encouraging it like well it has no power over you kind of a thing and i was just like oh my god this is dark you know like especially coming from like women like it just seems so like so much worse but anyways i was like i didn't i if you if it's always a man at the top i was like this is surprising to me if you're ever in a spiritual group yeah what is the percentage of female cult leaders it's got to be that's very small like very very very small right it's always dudes yeah i mean justin found the i was like taking notes on the technique hey i know i know data guy over here and a study guy knows this what's the what is the person what is it you got it they don't have an exact number here um but much less common than male they don't give me a percentage okay i asked for a percentage and they did not give me one you uh what what is uh what justin said i had heard this before i don't know the the number but there is a high percentage of of women that have actually never really orgasmed from sex yes you do i don't know why would i know that you're looking up every other stat but that i've never looked up i know he's playing dumb right now he's trying to stay out of trouble right now.

49:33What is life? I have no idea. I've never looked that up. It could be 17.7%. I don't know. I know I'm batting 97%. That's stupid. Stupid. Stupid. What is that, Doug? Can you find that? What percentage of women have never orgasm? Let's look at it. Doug loves the searches. Yeah. Great history going on here. If you're in a spiritual movement that involves sex, it's always a cult. Always. I feel like that's 100 % of the time. I mean, that's like a dead giveaway. That's a dead giveaway. You know what I mean? and you're like, oh my God, honey, this is great. You just have to sleep with the leader. Everybody's so nice here on the first day.

50:06Everybody give each other blowjobs. It is nothing about family or anything else relationship-wise. I don't know if this is correct or not. It says 10 % to 15 % have never experienced an orgasm. However, higher percentages up to 50 % report difficulty. Do you guys want to hear something crazy? Is it a line of this or something different? No, I just remembered something. Oh, okay. I'll be careful how I talk because I want to reveal who this was. But somebody I knew. Doug. adam come on it's supposed to be anonymous safe place we'll say his name is jug somebody i knew a while ago a guy okay he had an issue he was a friend of mine he had an issue where when he would orgasm he didn't feel anything like it would get up to the point then he would orgasm and it just became a physical thing and he felt nothing so it caused issues issues in his marriage all this stuff happened he hired a an ex i don't know what they call a sex therapist or expert and she i'm not making this up this is a real this was a real therapist okay okay she would she applied technique she would she would yeah she would through therapy and then through manual stimulation get him to orgasm and slowly would help him feel like feel was there some sort of obviously trauma attached to that when he was young no oh really he's like i would talk because we were friends yeah yeah so i don't want to say he's in a relationship with somebody else he was married getting going through divorce and you know we would talk about this and uh because we're and no trauma attached to it no i asked him like bro because i feel like that's kind of a common thing you're right yeah like if you have no they said that he he said that they think there was some kind of disconnect uh in his brain or the brain interesting but the crazy part to me was he had an actual legit licensed therapist that helps you that would give him yeah that would give him that would like I mean that was expensive therapy I'm like and I remember I would talk to him I'm like bro is it a therapist are you going to the yeah is this the same massage parlor you mean yeah and he's like no she's a I'm like she's like a PhD like this is what she does you're not watching Landman are you no that's good the scene where he so in Landman so what's the what's the old man in real life what's his name Sam Sam Elliott who's like I think he's late 70s or 80s now he's an actress old cowboy guy yeah real old cowboy like barely moving around so like that and Billy Bob Thornton is his son and they have like this bitter angry you know relationship and like so he and his dad's stubborn and so he goes one of the scenes is he shows up to a strip club and he comes over and he basically hires a stripper to go be a physical therapist for his dad in the pool and she's like not wanting to do it And he just keeps putting another$100 bill until he finds her price.

52:54And he's like, listen, he's harmless. He ain't going to do anything. Just to get him to do exercise. Yeah, and he goes, I know my dad. He won't say no to a pretty face. You know what I'm saying? So just go there. And she's like, listen, I'm not signing off. I don't know what I'm doing. This and that. And so the next cut of the scene is just his dad's floating in the pool like this. And she's in her little bra and underwear. And she's just swaying him back and forth. He's got this big grin on his face.

53:20she she she tells him later on like the episodes down the road she's like you do know that i'm not a physical therapist right yeah this is this is the show you guys keep talking about yeah yeah that's good it's called landman it's on uh paramount plus yeah yeah yeah paramount plus we'll check it out butcher box delivers high quality proteins meats to your door they have premium meats, 100 % grass-fed beef, free-range organic chicken, pork-raised, crepe-free, wild-caught seafood, good prices. They deliver it to your door every single month. So you get the protein, you get the healthy stuff that you want, good sources of meat.

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54:38And I really learned a lot from you guys. I found you guys out a couple of months ago. I really appreciate all that you guys do. So I want to do that first. Thanks, man. Yeah, for sure. So I'm sure you guys can relate to this. It is difficult for me to just kind of sit around and not do anything. So I have been speaking to a lot of people, a lot of mentors about what to do with my question. So I have found an answer. I I just really wanted to hear what you guys think because I really, really respect you guys. And you guys are like, you know, my role models. I really wanted to hear what you guys think and if it's the right decision.

55:11Okay. So I'll just tell you my question. It's kind of long, so I'll say it as quickly as I can. So a couple of months ago, I just finished the military. I just got out of the military. And I just got certified from NASM as a personal trainer. So I went to my local gym. and it's probably, it's the best gym in the area. In my opinion, it's very big. They have clients coming all the time. They have the best trainers. It's a great work environment. And I spoke to the manager about working there and he told me that he's going to get to my application. He just has, he's going in order of applicants based off of experience, okay?

55:52So it's going to take him time to get to mine. And it's been a couple of weeks and he still hasn't gotten back to me. and I spoke with one of the trainers there who has been the longest and he's one of my mentors and he told me that every manager has a different thing that they're looking for, right? And he said this guy is looking for marketing experience, which I have none of because I've never really had like a real job besides for the military, right? So I don't have any like experience to show him that I can sell. So I don't think he's going to reach out to me, which is okay. I totally understand where he's coming from.

56:31So I asked the trainer, like, what should I do, right? I don't really know what to do. He told me that my options, that what I could do is I could look for some kind of job where you sell, right? Like in retail or selling cars or something like that. Or I could work for the gym selling memberships. But another issue with that is you also need sales experience for that. so the other options would be to work for like a smaller gym or something like that another gym and i've spoken with a lot of other trainers that i that i've known from these other gyms and it's not the best experience um it is an option though i've spoken with a lot of people on what to do and they always ask me like what is my end goal right like what do i want to hell yeah hell yeah yeah guys hey you're you're overthinking this right now literally all you need to do is you have to close him in your interview.

57:23And what that looks like if I'm you is, hey, I don't have any experience in personal training or sales, but I'm coming straight from the military. I've got serious discipline. And I'm the type of person that if you teach me, you show me, or you point me in the right direction, I'm going to figure the job out. And I promise you by the end of this year, I'll be one of your top trainers. Right there. That's all you got to say. And let me tell you, you'll jump to the top of that list real quick yeah you have the same that's i almost cut him off myself adam because i can feel the same well yeah so here so here's the deal how bad do you want to work as a trainer we got to start there first is that what you want to do well can you say one thing i kind of went a little bit different direction sure go ahead tell us um i um i'm starting my own business as a trainer i know it's just the beginning i have i have lots of years of training other people I wasn't certified but I've been training people for years now so I've spoken with other people and I have a couple people that are going to help me yeah I don't know, is that a bad idea?

58:24what do you guys think about that? that's a terrible idea because the hardest part about personal training is not personal training it's sales and business so what you just did was you added sales and business and building a business with being a personal trainer this is why we always push people to go to a big box gym. The only reason why this guy is overlooking you right now has got nothing to do with certifications. In that interview, you didn't close him on why you should have hired me. You got to be persistent. I don't give a shit about somebody having four or five years sales experience.

58:57If that young man sitting across from me convinces me that whatever direction I point him or tell him to go, he's going to do and figure it out. And within a year's time, I'm going to be one of your top guys. I'm sold, bro. Oh, yeah. We used to hire people all the time. And if you came to me and I'll tell you a personal story. OK, but if you came to me once and you said, hey, I want to be a trainer here. And I'm like, OK, I'm going based off experience. You're like, cool, I'll fill out an application. And then you leave like, see you later. Now, if you came into the gym every day and you talk to me about it, I'll make.

59:32Listen, I'll do this. I'll make it happen. Listen, tell me to do anything. I'll make eventually be like, I like this kid. That's exactly what I want. so we're telling you the buttons to push but the reason why i'm saying this is i'm asking you how bad you want to be a trainer because if you want this badly we'll get you hired yeah if you don't go do something else because if you get if you get hired and it's not what you want to do then you'll fail and i don't want to set you up for that but it sounds like this is what you want to do so i'm gonna tell you a personal story i'm gonna tell you a personal story from the best salesperson i ever hired in my entire life probably the best salesperson i ever worked with in my entire life.

1:00:04This is my friend Larry Evans, late Larry Evans. And I'll tell you the story because it's exactly, I think it's really going to help you. So Larry went and applied. So this is back when I managed 24 fitness is when I managed the one on Hillsdale, Adam. And Larry went to another location because there's a lot of locations. So he went to another large location on Capitol McKee. He introduced himself and they blew him off. So he went in, Hey, I want to work here. I want to do sales. Like, well, I don't know. We'll see. I don't want to. And so Larry being Larry persistent comes to Hillsdale, my location.

1:00:39He introduces himself and he tells me he wants to work for me. Now I can see something in him because he's kind of persistent. Like he's, he's coming up to me, the manager and he's persistent, but I'm also looking at this guy and he's wearing long basketball shorts. He's got this long Jersey on. And so I'm like, Hey man, listen, come back like you actually want the job and then we'll talk. And that really was a test. Let's see how bad you want this. So he came back the next day looking his best. He had a buttoned up shirt tucked in. You could tell he didn't have a lot of money. So he had kind of these big slacks on, but he showed up again, like he wanted to really work there.

1:01:14And he talked to me and I said, huh, I think I like this guy. And you know what happened? He came in the next day. He did the same thing and I hired him. Larry ended up being, and it was, it was that attitude is what it was. he ended up being the best salesperson I've ever worked with. Nobody's ever come close. In fact, he was the only one that ever - He still holds records in the company. He was the only guy that ever broke my record. Can I ask, what did he tell you? What did he ask? It was his persistence. He didn't say anything magical. It was literally like, I'll do whatever you tell me. I'll do whatever it takes.

1:01:43I want to work here. I'll make it happen. You tell me. I'll do it. I'll learn. I'll learn whatever you tell me. I'll show up. I'll work whatever hours. And so I'm like, done. What's the most value you got from being in the military? Tell me. definitely like that discipline not to give up on so brother that's it don't break it don't don't don't don't try and regurgitate what sal said right like that's you go in and tell them listen i i don't have a lot of experience as a trainer i just barely got my national certification i don't have any experience i'll do whatever you tell me let me tell you what i what i have done the last few years and what what kind of man that's made me in to be and who i will be working for you Thank you.

1:02:22And be honest Who you are what you got from the military and how you're going to apply those skills that you learned in the military into being one of the best personal trainers bro i'm not letting you walk out that door no way no way if he's a good manager no i don't give it i don't care if you didn't have your nasm i would be like okay next test is go get your nasm and then if you went and didn't come back i'm like this kid's for sure getting a job yeah yeah and if that doesn't work break his balls i mean literally go in the gym work out every time you see him hey man i want to work here hire me like like what do i got to do what do i got to show you what can i do to prove to you that i'm gonna do a good job and then whatever he tells you go do it all right go fly her up a parking lot done go go talk to some members when it done when a manager tells somebody the thing he told you that's my my easy way of letting you down that i don't yeah it's me brushing you off like there every gym is looking for the next best trainer i even when i'm not hiring i'm hiring i'm not hiring right now but i'm looking for somebody who's better than my top guy and there's no way i let a guy walk in front of me who i go that that kid could be that could be one of my top guys i'll find room for character yeah that's what they can mold you and so he's giving you some bullshit thing to brush you off and it's because of how you however you came at him but don't don't try and say something over the top and it's not be honest i know you got skills from being in the military and tell me how those skills are going to translate into you being one of the best trainers here that's it that's in your words that's what you got to say and then and then ask him what do you want me to do be persistent yeah show up again show up again and that and you'll get the most from working in a big box gym around 10 20 other trainers that are already you said the top guy there's your mentor right yeah he's he's really smart bro that's i mean you want to work next to that you want to work next to him now you get to work next to him and i bet you if you tell him what i'm telling you right now he'd be like yeah you probably you probably get the job okay that i kind of knew that sound hearing it from you guys okay that does sound like the right idea it is my goal in the future is to be like you guys have my own business this is the right path for that yes yeah yeah yeah start there you're you're looking at go into that 20 25 to 30 years dude of us doing go get hired at that gym and then step that's step one step two is be the top trainer in that gym that's right three is the top trainer in that gym for a year or two step four start your own business and you know what's awesome is your your mentor is the top guy already so you got you have direct access next best level it would be working next to him every day and watching his behaviors that's right seeing what he does picking his brain that's going to get you and then then then those skills if you prove that you can do all those things and be one and two with that guy that then you have the like i believe your mentor could probably leave that gym and go start his own business but all the the 11 trainers underneath them i bet you i bet against them rarely it's it's all it's very difficult 20 of people are successful in entrepreneurship okay 80 fail so if there's 10 trainers there that means there's only two of them that have that possibility even making it happen okay so you better be one in two if you're even going to give yourself a fighting chance but what do most trainers do they try it for a little while they don't they're not getting paid they see the numbers on oh my god i only get pay$30 an hour and we're charging these people 70.

1:05:39I just go take my three clients and tell me they love me. And then they don't realize, oh shit, I got those clients from this gym. How would I go do that on my own? And they have no client or they know one or two people. And then what happens when your book turns over? It's like, you have no, you have no skills to go build a business. That's what you're learning. It's education time for you when you work at this, this big gym is to learn how that gym operates, how it got to be a multi-million dollar facility and how that trainer became a top trainer. Then you go build your business. Hell yeah.

1:06:05How do you feel right now? Yeah. You feel psyched? I do, yeah. Hang up the phone and go to the gym. Yeah, yeah. Go talk to him right now. Get over it. That's fine. Tell him what time it is. I'd love to hear back from you, okay? Email us. Tell us what happened. Once you get hired, send a message back to us. Yeah. That's it. Yeah, of course. Thanks, guys. You got it, dude. You guys are super awesome. I really appreciate it. I really appreciate everything you guys do. Thank you so much. All right, brother. Go do it. it it's it's cracking me up because hey that's how i hired that's how i got hired that's how i yeah i know i was a i was an 18 year old kid i literally walked i got my birthday you couldn't be a trainer unless you're 18 i knocked on the door i thought this manager must be in this room sean i still know sean opens the door shook his hand i said i want to be a trainer here he's like oh do you have any i said no i'm not certified i don't have any experience you gotta have that kind of energy dude i literally said in with that to him everything that he's and then sean hired me and then when i wanted to become a general manager i talked to mark masteroff this is like the godfather of fitness and i sat him down and i said to him i'm the top gm right now making me a general manager and he's like okay calm down so you're 19 years old i don't know i said what do i got to do yeah i said i'll be the top guy every month and that's what i did every month and i literally sent i called him and left him a voice message this month i'm number one make me a gym this and he gave me his worst club and i said thank you and if you have that attitude a good manager is you're going to be irresistible i don't i don't think this is uh independent of personal training no i think if uh things changed personal training didn't exist and uh my love passion for all this and i had to go do something else same attitude electrician i don't care name name the thing yeah and the guy who's sitting or the girl who's sitting across the desk from me this is what i'm saying i have no experience i don't know i have no idea what you do but i know I want to do this and I'm I know if you teach me or point me in the direction what do you want me to do to show you that I'll be one of your best guys and whatever they tell you do it that's literally it and learn and do it quick and then go do the thing right by the way we're telling everybody how to be a trainer for mind pump too it ain't easy because we're going to tell you to do some stuff you still got to do it but if you do it get educated well I mean look at the staff most of the staff has been hired like this we did not hire we don't have the most experienced Yeah, yeah.

1:08:13That's right. Our next caller is Shelby from Nebraska. Hi, Shelby. Morning. Hi, how are you guys? We're good. How are you doing? I'm good. Thank you guys for having me on. I really appreciate it. Of course. How can we help you? Okay. I'm 32 years old and have been lifting consistently since I was 18. I'm also a mom to three little ones, ages two, four, and five. Back in 2015, I competed in bikini competitions and unfortunately experienced all the classic side effects that came with it. hair loss, loss of menstrual cycle, digestive issues, and more. Around that same time, my husband and I had just opened our own business, so stress levels were high.

1:08:51Fast forward to September of 23, I had healed, had three kids under three, and wanted to feel like myself again. When my youngest was seven months old, I decided, against my better judgment, to do 75 hard. I finally felt like my old self again, so I didn't stop after the 75 days. Afterwards, I reversed dieted excruciatingly slow and continued to lose weight, dropping from 142 pounds and 32 % body fat to 123 pounds and 18 % body fat over five months, eating as low as 1 ,600 calories. I thought it would be different this time since I was getting competition lean, but since I wasn't getting competition lean, but the same symptoms came back, hair loss, loss of cycle, digestive problems.

1:09:35During that time, I also went through another major life change, and to top it off, I did the MRF, which completely wiped me out. I tried to push through with Muscle Mommy, but only made it halfway before my body said no more. Thanks to your show and Adam's series, I finally had the confidence to take a full break from working out for five months. Then I moved into MAPS 15, doing about one week of workouts every two weeks, and now months later, I'm easing into anabolic, still going light. It's been almost two years since 75 hard and I'm still dealing with symptoms. Anytime I lift even slightly heavier, my jaw tightens and I occasionally struggle with sleep.

1:10:12I'm currently eating around 1900 calories, about 130 grams of protein and estimating the rest since tracking gets too obsessive for me. I have SIBO and sensitive digestive so it's tough to eat much higher without things flaring up. I'm sitting at about 23 % body fat right now. I probably feel best around 21%, but that's splitting hairs. My question is this. My body seems extremely sensitive to stress. Is it truly possible to recover from this again and eventually be able to push myself without crashing? How do I know when it's appropriate to start increasing intensity? Every time I start to feel good and push a little harder, I end up taking two steps back.

1:10:51And by pushing, I just mean heavier weights, not extreme CrossFit or not seven days a week either. and last question are these symptoms purely from stress or do some women simply just not do well at lower body fat levels i'd love to eventually maintain around 20 to 21 since it feels healthy to me but i don't want to force my body if it can't handle it good question shelby great job you've done a lot you've come through a lot let me ask you this how hard is it uh to be a mom of three little kids it's hard it's a lot yeah yes yes a lot yeah so you said you wanted to feel like your old self but yes your old self didn't have kids right your old self maybe wasn't married didn't have the business and all that stuff that's your old self is your old self this is a new you and you're in a season right now uh by the way you're not sensitive to stress you have a lot of stuff going on yeah yeah so it's not like you're some like weak person that just can't handle stress or whatever you're handling a lot you got three little kids by itself yeah that's a ton and a business that's a ton yeah yeah you're doing a lot so it i mean it's gonna take a long time yeah that's fair it's just gonna take a long time and what it's gonna look like you're in a season right now of prioritizing other things by the way maintaining 23 body fat i'm looking at you look good you're kicking you're kicking butt you know how many moms of three kids would look at you and be like how does she do it so you're you're doing really good hon you just you're you can't compare yourself to a time when you had 99 less things going on in your life that's fair that's fair so what would be appropriate for me right now then massive massive team i like mass 15 and reverse diet yeah you gotta eat more you're already on that yeah just keep doing that and this is a season so if you plan on exercising for the rest of your life there will be other seasons where you're like man i got more time on my hands kids are going to school like like you know now i can focus on these other things um and that'll come that'll happen um and in the big picture it's it's this is a short season it just feels long because you're in it you're in the middle of it but i would stick just maps 15 reverse diet your calories should probably slowly go up let's get you around 24, 2 ,500 calories and just do that and just stay there for a long time.

1:13:18Yeah. Just focus on being healthy right now. That in itself is hard for most people and you're doing a great job. You've done a great job. How old are your kids right now? Two, four, and five. It's probably going to be when your youngest is five. You're in the eye of the storm right now. I know. So, okay. So, you know. The other side, it gets way easier. So, you got a range of kids, right? So, how old is your oldest? Five. Okay, right around five things get a little easier with your kid, right? Yeah. Okay. So the youngest is two. So when the youngest probably gets to five, then things are going to probably change.

1:13:53You probably have a few years of MAPS 15 style workouts, taking care of myself, being healthy, being a mom, focusing on my marriage and keeping everything going and just feeling good. And then when the little one gets to that age, then you're probably going to have more space. but don't push that appropriate dose to match the stress that's your desired outcome what's crazy too since you're we're only talking about one to two percent here there's a very good likelihood that if you just take this advice you might actually get leaner through reverse yeah and you just focus on getting strong and and match 15 and slowly reverse dieting and getting healthy there's a really good chance that one to two percent body fat comes off during this process of focusing like that versus having this like, okay, I feel pretty good for long enough.

1:14:44Let me ramp it up so I can get there. Then you'll just spiral out again and then you'll be back to square one. So take this season as an opportunity of other things are a higher priority. Still take care of your health. Still get your workouts in. MAPS 15 is perfect for you. Three little kids is a chaos too. That is chaos, man. You don't think that's so stress on your body. It's a lot, dude. That's more than when you were training for bikini. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's probably true. Honestly, when I go to work, I feel less stressed. Yeah, dude. You get a little break. Yeah. Yeah. Just give it, give it some time, hon.

1:15:19Just give it some time. When I, so I'm at 1900 calories right now. Anytime I increase a little bit, my digestive, my digestive system just completely gets out of whack. Yeah. So you might need to treat yourself for SIBO. You might need to do some gut healing. And a reverse diet could be as slow as adding 50 calories. Have you treated the SIBO yet? I have. And it's gotten a lot better, a lot better. I'm still working on it, but I have treated it. Here's what probably happens. And correct me if I'm wrong. You start to feel better. You start to feel some energy. And then you push it, and then it gets bad again.

1:15:59And so when you treat SIBO and SIBO is gone, you still need to heal your gut. Sure. So there's still a period of time that you need to heal your gut. Also, when you start to feel good, that's not because it's time to push it. That means, oh, now let me feel good for a while before I even think about pushing it. What you don't want to do is stand waiting for the slightest green light, which is probably what you're doing. Like, oh, I think I'm good. Let's go. and then you just you just set yourself back again okay so so just just take your you're doing great just take your time okay yeah okay well thank you for the reassurance yeah you got it you ever worked with a coach um i have in the past do you think that would help you because it might help you to work with somebody that can like work walk you through this process yeah i mean it probably would all right i'll have somebody call you i have i have a couple people in mind that i could help you through this process.

1:16:52Okay. I like to get in my own way. Yeah, did I get it? That's good self-awareness. That's good self-awareness. Good for you, too. And I love seeing young people with a lot of kids. We need more people like that. That's great. They're fun, even though they're stressful. Yeah. Don't worry. On the other side of five, it's going to get so much better, for sure. Unless you have a fourth one. You might have another one. Who knows? Yeah, yeah. Cool. Well, thanks for calling in, Sha. I'll have somebody call you, okay? We'll see if we can help you. Thank you guys. I really appreciate it. You got it. You know, I love callers like that because you could see as she's talking and then I just kind of say it back to her.

1:17:29She's like, oh yeah. Yeah, I think I'm doing all right. Because a lot, how many moms would want to be like that with three little kids? Bro, three kids and a business. Yeah. Yeah. That's like another kid or two. Yeah. And they're in the ages of two to five. It's like you're in the fight right there. Bro, it's five. I know because I have a five-year-old. he can do things on his own now finally yes like it's it's north of five where i feel like once max got to like five and a half six and then where we're heading into seven yeah so much until they become well it's funny we always go back and point back to when we felt the best and you're so right with that it's like dude let's look in the future what what does my future self look like well listen listen i know that i know i know that because obviously people that have you know older kids a lot of times get defensive it never gets easier it's not like it's it's it's it's a different heart It's just different.

1:18:19And at that age, you have full attention on them 24-7. That's right. So it's a different type of stress. Like now you guys have to worry about kids driving and it's a different type of stuff. That's all day long. You're right. It's different because with teenagers, what stress can look like are short, extreme bouts of stress. But you're not all day long and there's not this like constant dependency. That's right. They're not disrupting your sleep every night. They're not needing to be fed every day. They sleep in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's a different kind of hard, and it's not the right kind of hard to be doing 75 hard.

1:18:53It just doesn't go together. You can actually recover, but you got to wait for that. Our next caller is Brianna from Arizona. Hi, Brianna. How you doing? Hello. This is very crazy. I know everybody says that, but this is so crazy. I just want to start off by saying I'm very honored. I appreciate you guys' time. I know it's very valuable, and I really appreciate you guys answering my question today. So I'm going to read it, because obviously I'm very nervous. It says, Dear Mind Pump, I'm lost, unsure, and I need help. So here's my question. How do I know when I've tipped the scales on stress and I need to pull back?

1:19:27For context, I am a 26-year-old new mom of a four-month-old, and I am constantly second-guessing my training volume and my macros. I listened to you guys for about three, four years. I have my personal trainer certificate, so I have a lot of information. and a lot of knowledge. But obviously, when it comes to training yourself, I second-guess that quite a bit. So I've been training consistently for three years. And then last year, so four years altogether, and then last year, I went through some fertility treatments and got pregnant. And then had a very successful pregnancy. And then up till about 33 weeks.

1:20:10And then I was diagnosed very suddenly with preeclampsia. Had my baby like a week later and was in the hospital for a little bit. I didn't handle it very well. Had a lot of just stuff happen physically after that. And then obviously we had a NICU stay. So I say all that to say that I have recovered pretty well, but I'm not sure if I'm pushing my body too much. I did six weeks of pelvic floor therapy and then I went into performance and now I'm running a pretty modified version of aesthetic. I stay at home with my baby, so I have the time, but I never hear you guys recommend aesthetic to anyone.

1:20:49I reverse dieted up to 2 ,400 calories, and I dropped back down to about 2 ,000 just for a couple weeks. I was starting to get to the point where I was just eating whatever to make those calories, and I don't want to do that. So I'm just not sure where to go, and I want to be the best version of myself so I can show up for my son. I do want to teach him healthy habits so that his mom is strong. I found you guys from listening to John Deloney about three years ago, and I started with MAPS 15, and I was hooked. So I very much value your advice, and I'm very grateful that you've had me on today. You guys have truly changed my life for the better.

1:21:27So I'm happy to hear anything you guys have to say for me. So by modified MAPS aesthetic, do you mean you do half of the volume that's in there? Probably about half. So he's pretty clingy as far as my baby is. So I drop a lot of the shoulder and arm workouts. I probably only do a save like today, for instance. I'm in phase two, day two. Called for like four sets. I did one set. So I do the main, I do all the sets for like the main lift. And then I pretty much drop everything else down. So it usually takes me about an hour, sometimes an hour and a half, just depending on. And, um, but that's kind of where my training looks like right now.

1:22:10How's the baby healthy? Um, he's doing really good. So yeah, we've recovered very well and doing, I'm doing really good. So I'm very, very grateful for that. Um, and you know, and, and that's just kind of my, um, my point is I don't want to do too much and I definitely can be a person who pushes because that's what I feel like I'm supposed to do. And so that's really why I wanted to come on today and just to get some expert advice. Well, I'm so happy you called in and I really appreciate this question a lot. This is going to help a lot of people. First off, what you went through is very traumatic.

1:22:47So, and a lot of moms don't hear this often, but when you go through a difficult delivery, especially staying in the hospital, that is a very challenging time, physically and emotionally extremely. And that wasn't that long ago. It was only four months ago. The fitness industry has also done, well, the fitness industry in general has done women a terrible disservice. It has really done a terrible disservice to postpartum women. It has sold this idea that you have a baby and then you're back in shape, you know, four months later. I've trained a lot of women postpartum. A lot of women both before, during, and after pregnancy.

1:23:31Quite a few. And in my experience, on average, okay, on average, it takes a woman about one to two years after having a baby to feel like, for lack of a better term, like their old self. One to two years. So everything else you've heard is a lie. It's a total lie. And the people that make me the most upset about this are the fake fitness influencers who love to post their bodies. oh I had a baby three months ago look at me you don't hear the whole story it's not like it takes a while half of the volume of aesthetic is too much for you I guarantee I guarantee that it's too much for you you should have stated Mass 15 you're Mass 15 for the next until your baby is a year old I do have Mass 15 I have a lot of programs I kind of figured that's probably what you guys would say, but I really just needed to hear it.

1:24:33Um, obviously it's, you know, you feel, you feel good. So you want to do more, you'll feel better. You know, I hear, I hear people come on all the time and say that and hear you guys advice, but it really is hard, you know, to combat in your own minds. Um, and I don't have a, I don't have a big community. I don't have other, like your y 'all's podcast is my fitness community, honestly. Um, so I don't have other people around me to, you know, kind of check that for me. Um, and so I, yeah, I do. I think I figured the maps 15 is probably what you would say. If this makes you feel better, you know, um, you know, my wife very fit before she had our kids.

1:25:09I know, uh, Katrina very fit. Both of them struggled with this as well. Like, Oh, let me do this. No, no, no. You're starting. It's, it's a lot less than you think. And you'll feel better, Brianna, if you'll feel better following MAPS 15. And we have a lot of MAPS 15 programs. I'd love to send you one you don't have. So you have the original one. Do you have any of the other MAPS 15 version? I don't have any of the other ones. I know you guys just came out with Muscle Mommy and Power Lift. And I do have both of those original programs. I haven't run them to their entirety. But I do have both of those.

1:25:43So I'm not really sure which one I would either do. Send them both to her. I have it. Thank you, Adam. I have a soft spot for new moms. So we usually give people one program. I'll give you both. Yeah. So you can follow one right after another. So you'll get 15 muscle mommy and then 15 power lift. I'd like to also put you in the private forum if you're not already in there. Since you brought up. Okay. So I'm going to. I'm not. Okay. Thank you. I don't mean to get emotional, but. You're doing a good job, hon. Yeah. You're doing a really, really good job. Don't question your efforts. You're doing a great job.

1:26:18you just work with your body not against it it's going to take about a year for you to scale things up but in this year it's going to feel so good doing the right stuff and right now you're really resilient you're probably questioning how tough you are and all that stuff you're half the volume of aesthetic four months out like you're tough yeah yeah yeah but don't push it don't push that i don't i don't want to and i was kind of you know it's uh when you don't listen to you know you you have a gut feeling most you know a lot of people do and if you listen if you can listen to your body you know you should listen to your body obviously and i probably haven't exactly because i very much battled with whether i should or shouldn't do aesthetic um and just decided well i'll try something hard but i typically choose the hard thing in life so yeah so here's what you're gonna here's what it would look like okay follow maps 15 go on a lot of walks with the baby so that'll be your activity which you're probably already doing if you're not it's great it's great bonding time it's great nap time it's great activity so 15 with lots of walks diet wise i don't want you tracking anything but i do want you to eat protein i want you to track your protein and eat until you're satisfied stick to whole natural foods and don't track because if you track at this point it's going to start messing with you i can guarantee that right now um it probably has i definitely um jumped right back into that train of and and and also knowing you know i know i needed to reverse diet and i'm glad that i did that um but my husband did ask me the other day he's like do you think you should probably be tracking your food i was like maybe not yeah no no just just aim for protein eat whole natural foods eat when you're hungry eat until you're satisfied.

1:28:03Go on a couple walks a day with the baby. MAPS 15. Give yourself a year before you reassess. So not a year and then go for it. Like a year and then reassess. All right, how do I feel? Am I feeling good? After a year, it's not to MAPS aesthetic. It's just something like MAPS anabolic. The forum's going to be great for you. The forum's got a lot of moms that have been listening to us for a long time that have similar feelings, gone through similar stuff. So great community in there. So make sure you say hi, introduce yourself when Doug gets you access in there. I will. And then bounce questions off people and other trainers and all of us that are in there.

1:28:41Yeah. I will. Thank you so much. Again, your podcast is my resource. And I so appreciate everything that you guys do. It means the world to me. Thank you. You got it. And thanks for calling in. I know this helped a lot of other moms. Yeah. Absolutely. Real quick, I just really wanted to brag on you guys. I don't want to just be easy in my thank yous. You guys do a lot of hard work, and I really appreciate it. And Sal, watching your journey to Christ has been, and being bold in that, that's so difficult for a Christian to do is be outwardly bold. And it has encouraged me so much in my walk with the Lord, and I really appreciate that.

1:29:22and just in hearing about your boys and about you as a father and about kind of how you approach things just and observe has helped me a lot I would like to have that approach with my son would like to give him room to try and just gently encourage him and so I appreciate the stories that you share and Adam I was thinking today about the call and I was thinking back to when your wife was in the hospital and you all posted on your socials and asked for prayer and I was you know anxiously waiting to hear you know if she was okay or not and i just you bring so much um fight to the table and encourage me to be bold and to say what i think and i just i really appreciate you guys so much from the bottom of my heart you have made my life so much better and i greatly appreciate it thank you thank you god bless you thank you so much she gonna cry no i'm gonna cry You know, I got to say this, man.

1:30:18You know, we rail in the industry all the time, the media industry and what they sell. But man, they really mess up postpartum. They make them believe that they're going to be back in shape. Man, it takes a while. There's always that. You went through a radical change. There's always that anomaly. That's why. There is, but I also believe a lot of them lie. There's a lot of them that post what they're in, but they don't tell you they're suffering from postpartum anxiety, depression. that their body's not feeling the way it did in certain exercises. Or they were orthorexic going into it. It's like, come on, dude.

1:30:49No, I know. Yeah, no, it's tough. It's a radical transformation in your body. And then when you have the baby, it's not like your body's not radically transformed still. You know, there's lots of things that are happening and it's just not spoken to accurately. It takes a while. You got to give yourself some time. The community will serve her really well. So it's good having other people that have been there and been through it for a long time. So she'll enjoy that. our next caller is josh from michigan what's up josh what's happening how's it going guys uh thanks for having me here really appreciate your time uh kind of as always like with everyone else you know really uh dig what you guys are doing and uh been listening for a couple years now and uh thought i'd take the opportunity to ask a question i had um i'll present my question and then give you all a little bit of context uh kind of behind that um in kind of reflecting back on y 'all's time with the podcast and kind of going back to its infancy.

1:31:42What are some things you wish you knew back kind of when you were initially getting it off the ground or what would you tell yourself in retrospect? Kind of the context being here, I work in healthcare. I'm an emergency medicine resident doc at a large level one trauma center here in Michigan. In my approach to making sure I'm clinically ready to go each day is the way I sleep, the way I eat, the way I train is to make sure I'm there ready to rock and roll, you know, by the time my shift comes around. And I think I've been able to be fairly resilient kind of here up till that time. And I see a lot of my co-workers, you know, my nurses, techs, other residents, maybe they may not be as resilient or I'm kind of seeing them kind of fade, you know, as they get into those later hours of their shift.

1:32:29And I find myself being, you know, ready, you know, come in, you know, give me another trauma, on other medical recess, another critical patient, you know, I'm always thinking, you know, who's next, who's next. And so I think, in addition to my clinical responsibilities, I would like to hopefully do something to not only be, you know, there to care for my patients, but also for my fellow like staff members to as well, kind of somewhere down the line. And I see the impact that you guys have had here in the fitness space. And, you know, thought, you know, who better else to talk to about how to go about making an impact by way of a podcast or something similar.

1:33:06Yeah. You trauma docs are really cut from a different cloth, I swear. It's like you guys don't have enough on your plate. Every doctor I've ever trained who works in trauma is always adding things to their plate. So you want to start a podcast on top of treating people who are about to die. I've got really good advice for you that's related to what we were literally just talking about before you came on air. So we had a small two-minute break before you came on. I was just updating the guys on one of our buddies, Higher Up Wellness. This is his Instagram and his podcast. If you don't follow him, follow him.

1:33:40In fact, look at his post he did just, I think, yesterday. And he spent some time with Gary V. Gary V's advice to him was to people in this position where you're at, overthink content. Like, what content should I make and the title and the hook and all these things like that? and it's more about documenting. And so you already explained who you want to help out and who you want to impact. And so as quick as you possibly can, when you are in a moment where you taught something, you learned something, you went through something, you record it. Like it's literally like you just did some crazy shit, right?

1:34:14For four hours in trauma. You get, oh my God, that was the most, walk out, as soon as you have a break, walk, grab your phone and then share and document what you just went through, what you just went, what you just learned, whatever the thing is so that you have taught, you have that documentation. So that's the first piece of content that I can use on social. And then if I'm creating a podcast, I'm expanding on that. That's all that is, is long form. So it's like, I'm doing a short form of, Oh my God, what I felt, what I went through, what I learned real quick is as a thing is like, almost like I'm denoting it, right.

1:34:46That what I just went through. And then later on that night, when I'm inspired to, to create the podcast episode, I'm creating from that piece of content or that thing that I just learned or went through and I'm expanding on it. And then that's where maybe a little more thought goes into process of, okay, how do I title this thing that other doctors or who I'm trying to attract, whether it be the patient, the doctor or whoever, or, you know, other surgeons, whatever, I'm going to, I'm going to title it. So it's, it would interest them. And then I'm going to expand on it. And then you go through practice, you'll learn how to put that content together better and better.

1:35:21But that right there, just doing that and lots of reps of that is what's going to grow the podcast, grow your content. And where most people fail is they make the mistake of thinking that you're going to create something that's going to go viral and overnight you're going to have lots of, and most of them don't have the discipline to just keep doing that thing for a really long time, for a year, two years, maybe three years. And then that compounds, you get better at it, you start to learn the things like that's the formula right there but most people don't have the the discipline to do it longer now i doubt you lack the discipline because you're like sal said you guys are cut from a different cloth i'm sure you got discipline it's just understanding that's what it looks like don't overthink don't overthink it don't don't make it over over edit it in fact we're going into it we're actually reversing trends right now the trend was everybody shot all grainy and gritty at the beginning and rough and authentic.

1:36:18And then we got all these cool tools to edit and background and green screen. And now we're going to AI. Now nobody trusts what they see because it's so well produced. So like our guys are having us shoot things with our phone again. And they're just like, hey, just talk into your phone because people want that. And so what a great time for a guy like you to try and create. So document, don't create content. I can't, there's nothing I can add. You just know you're signing up for a long, long haul. Most people fail at this because they do it for three months, six months, and they quit. So you just say to yourself, I'm doing it.

1:36:51So in other words, okay, I'm going to do this for two years. What can I commit to on a weekly basis for two years and then do that? And then don't expect anything out of it other than just being consistent. But it takes a while. And just keep serving your community. At the end of the day, you're the voice for who your target audience is. and also, too, to bring in some of that feedback. So you'll find you'll get a lot of suggestions by putting it out there. And don't be afraid to put it out there with coworkers and get some feedback. You are coming from a position that I think, I don't want to say this is easy, but it's so interesting what you do.

1:37:30And every day is so unique. It's probably a gajillion stories. Yeah. And so do not overthink this. every step of your day, every conversation that you have with a peer, with a client, with a mentor, that is valuable content that you can document. And even if you can't document while it's happening, and this is what my buddy was talking about, was closing the gap on how quickly you make the content from that thing that happened. So don't allow something that was like, holy shit, that was crazy surgery and I can't believe this. And then you, oh, I'll record a podcast next saturday on that it's like i need to i need to get that out of my head right now why it's fresh why my emotions are still on it why it's authentic why my true my true feelings will come out so as quickly as you can close the gap on the thing whatever the thing was and create create or document something that that versus what a lot of overthinking the production and the hook and the the whole body work of it and the edit part process it's like no dude just start just start giving value and doing and turning it around quick and the practice and the rest.

1:38:36Yeah. They both said it when I was thinking, storytelling is very powerful. So if I had to look back at what, uh, got us, um, initial success or attention was a storytelling. We just had a lot of stories. That's always the hook. So you just tell lots of stories, be as authentic as possible. Oh my God, this was stressful. This sucked. This was great. I don't know what I'm doing here. I do. Um, you know, don't try to present yourself differently. Storytelling. And you got tons of stories. You probably have stories that happen every day. So, you know, there's your content right there. Part of our superpower was the four of us knew we would suck, knew this was a new venture to us, right?

1:39:15Yeah. And we knew that it's like we were all so determined that and we knew that the formula was just keep doing this. We'll figure it out along the way. If you look at where we're at 10 years and the TV screens and the stuff that we have for notes and how we think about way different, but that's not what got us here. What got us here was that attitude of like, Hey, we're going to be really bad at this. We don't know what the hell we, so let's just practice and practice and practice and put, put out, we didn't overthink it. We literally just, we would just go, we would turn the mics on and be like, let's talk about this stuff.

1:39:45And yeah, it was, it was bad and it was rough and all those things, but we connected, but we, yeah, it is connected because we led from a place of like you are, which is, I want to give value. I want to help my community. I want to do this. And so, and that resonated with a lot of people. And then over time we built the skills. Yep. Okay, cool. Yeah, that's really helpful. And I think kind of my goal is to come from a perspective of, you know, how, how can we make ourselves healthier and address kind of our, our like I address my clinical work, like as a, from a competitive standpoint, you know, like I come from a more athletic background and I kind I want to make sure I'm game ready and game ready means, you know, I'm working five, six days a week.

1:40:25You know, that's five, six days, you know, that I'm going out and competing. So how can I, you know, fuel myself and make sure I am squared away and ready to go for that clinical shift, you know, versus dreading going into work because I feel like crap or whatever it is, you know, I'm kind of addressing things. One warning, Josh, if you're doing this and you're being real and you're telling stories and you're like, I'm getting after it, I'm doing it and whatever. and then you find yourself tired and it's not working, you share it. You don't present a false, a false, uh, because, and then what'll happen is you'll, you'll, you'll have to live up to that and it won't work.

1:40:58You tell them, Oh my God, I know I get after all the time, but man, this week I am. I'm going to, I'm going to add one more thing to that too. I don't even, uh, so if I was mentoring you, I'd be like, don't even overthink that. What you think everybody wants from you may be totally off. What you think everybody else wants to learn from you may be totally off from what you think you want to give to everybody. Let them tell you. Exactly. So document your conversation, what you think might be meaningless, which is a conversation with another doctor arguing over how we're going to go about this thing, whatever.

1:41:29I have no idea what a day looks like in your life. I'm super interested though. And you, and you document that and that might pull me in. And for all you know, your whole thing might be all about communication between, you know, two different surgeons and how to work through, like, I don't know. You don't know. And so don't try and pigeon hole yourself into a this is what i want to give to everybody they may not want this is what i teach trainers a lot of times trainers come in they're like i want to train athletes and like no one gives a shit about what you have to say about athletes but they do happen to listen to you when you talk about joint pain they're super interested in you know i'm saying so don't even over complicate talk about fat loss all the time and that's it yeah i wanted to do that yeah yeah so so so go into sharing and documenting everything and anything that you learn you experience you go through and come from a place of giving value to anyone and everyone and then allow the content and the comments and the interaction to steer you in that direction and then and then maybe you start to formulate how does this look like a business how does you know i'm saying like don't don't put the cart before the horse just just document give value and who knows what you end up speaking to it may have nothing to do with what you think right now mm-hmm okay okay very cool well thanks guys i really appreciate uh again your help your time here and everything you guys are doing out there um look forward to the episodes all the time so i saw my on my way into work as i'm meal prepping as i'm coming home while i'm stretching getting ready to get a little lifting it's good stuff that's good stuff that's good man you're the man josh do it yeah yeah you'll save lives yeah yeah keep us in the loop though i'd like to hear how it goes yes sir will do yeah thanks guys appreciate all your time bro i gotta tell you dude i've trained so many so many trauma doctors yeah like the guy's not busy they're uh bro they're machines yeah and they're machines until they until they're like i was just talking to my buddy i got a buddy who's you know he's been doing this for his body gives out on him yeah and he's like dude he's like i don't know why but when i'm off i just want to sit on the couch i'm like what do you mean you don't know bro yeah like sitting down you're up for 24 hours four days in a row operating on gunshot wounds and stuff you've You knew it for 15 years.

1:43:35What do you think? I'm so tired today. I mean, it is pretty savage that somebody who has a job like that says, like, what else can I do? I'm going to start a podcast. What else can I do? You got to love that, though. Lazy people. I love that. It's definitely. That's why I respect them so much. Yeah, yeah. I've always respected them. I see that. You know, it's so crazy. We were just talking. I was literally just talking about him before. It was our buddy, Higher Up Wellness. And that was his clip, what it was all about. It was perfect. It was overthinking content creation and doing all the things.

1:44:03and it's like dude just document everything and it's interesting too yes 100 no it's i'm super interested in what i want to hear about that i know and and i and i think a lot with it people in his position again very similar to us right what one of the biggest things that we learned was some of the simpler most basic episodes and topics that we would cover yeah would be right and we wanted to just keep going deep and adding these layers and all this other stuff it's It's like, man, that's not connecting to more people. And so we've had to steer content that way. Same thing goes with this guy. He's going to be thinking, oh, I want to do this.

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