2788: How to Lean Bulk for Lean Gains (Build Muscle, Not Body Fat)

33:01Okay. He just lost last week, right? Okay. And before the game, they had these great videos of him. I didn't know he had four. Three girls. Four. Four. Four little daughters. Oh. And it was so cute. His four little daughter. So Doug would probably Google Matthew Stafford, four daughters. And I'm sure the picture will get all of them dressed all the same. And they look real close to age. and him kissing them and his wife before he goes out on the field and stuff like that. Oh, that's great. And it shows, I guess, the video that went viral was the NES cam that night after he lost, right? He gets knocked out of the playoffs and going into his daughter's bedrooms at like, I don't know, what time, one in the morning after he gets back from football and stuff like that and laying with him and kissing him.

33:45It's a black and white NES cam, and so you can see him just highlighting him as a father first, which is just like, You never see stuff like that. That's cute, man. I love seeing stuff like that. We got to make it cool for men to be good fathers. Well, that's right. That never, like Stafford has been in the league. Bring that back. Stafford has been in the league. That's the video right there. That's adorable. Yeah, see, it's gone viral, right? So, you know, again, a bit jaded, right? Because it's like this dude has probably been doing that for, he's been in the league for, what, 10 plus years?

34:20Over 10 years? and I'm sure he's been a good father since day one. It's like, and now it's getting promoted and highlighted and we just didn't highlight that stuff. I'm sure he's been kissing his wife and kids before games forever. I saw that. That's adorable. Look at that. At 2.30 in the morning after he just got his ass beat in football, right? So it's such a cool thing to highlight is like you, for a football player getting beat in the NFC championship like that, it's got, you know. Oh, it's crushing. Right, it's got to be just to be that close to the championship to lose. And as long as he's been in the game for, that's got to be so heartbreaking.

34:57But to still take the time and go kiss his daughter. I saw a video the other day, man. It got me so emotional. It was this mom, and she had her three little kids in the car. And I think the oldest one was 12, maybe 11. And she goes, if you could have any wish right now, any wish at all, what would it be? oh no sorry it was a recording from their dad and their dad is stationed overseas hey kids and he always makes videos for them hey kids love you guys or whatever if you could have any wish what would it be and he goes uh you know to his daughter three two one go she goes that you'd come home right now three two one go and all of a sudden come home right now and he goes come to the airport and it was a recording they're like what dad's home and they just freak out and they start crying we're gonna see dad it's like oh got me so much oh have you seen i've those those that they make people make collages or whatever oh where they surprise they show that yeah that the dad's coming in from that like and they surprise them and they're like yeah they'll get you that those will get you that those will get you teared gets me every single time yeah yeah but i just it's cool to see that uh it's unfortunate it's it's taken this time for that because that stuff that i was having this conversation with someone else about um another player that's being highlighted like that and they're like oh isn't he so cool and i'm like listen uh not that long ago tim tebow was doing some crazy cool stuff like that but it was during the time when that wasn't cool in fact i remember what the media did that guy the media used to talk we used to talk so much shit about him and what kind of football player he was terrible and yeah and the the stuff that he was what he stands for and i mean i don't know if you pay attention to him now and oh god what he's doing now is incredible yeah and he's been doing that consistently since he played college yeah Yeah, and he's been consistent, but the media, his storytelling around him has now finally come around and feel like they're highlighting him.

36:49That's good. Where before, they were constantly bashing him. Oh, he's a terrible quarterback. I can't believe we put it. And just his teammates loved him. Everybody loved being around him. But it was just like, we didn't. It's like, man, it's really sad to see the way the media just shifts to whatever the temperature is. Whatever's cool or whatever. Yeah, yeah. Stay consistent. thing yeah hey i off uh air just a little bit ago i heard you telling doug that you were doing the the ketone like two to three times iq two to three times a day i'm taking two or three a day why so many focused focused it's so great so i'll do one i was doing one and then when i was doing interviews sometimes i would do two but not consistently yeah but you know they send them to us so i got a whole bunch over here so does this help more because sometimes you used to not eat like in the morning right like now that you're eating all the time is this like a good i well supplement well ketones are a really good source of energy for the brain well so okay listen we know we know we've all experienced the ketogenic diet okay we all have agreed yeah how did you guys feel ketogenic so this is where i'm going with this question so we've all experienced that i we've all agreed the mental clarity sharpness that you get on the ketogenic diet is you can tell a difference it's measurable you could tell a difference how do you compare that doing it that way to taking the same really yeah same same mental even with the amount of calories and carbs and everything you're eating right now really yeah when you present you present uh carbohydrates or ketones to the brain the brain will use ketones right away it's a it's a it is a fast first even with this situation it'll still use it uses both it always uses a little both but it goes for the So you'll see it.

38:27It'll use it. It'll suck it up. It's a very quick, clean, burning energy. So for mental clarity, it's not a stimulant. It's like taking caffeine. So I drink it, and then I'm like, ugh. It's more like sharp. No, I know. I mean, I know what it feels like to be on a ketogenic diet, and one of the best parts about it was the mental clarity. We all have reported that back. It's wild to me that you can take a supplement that gives you that. Except I'm definitely not on a ketogenic diet right now. Yeah. yeah that's why i asked exactly why i'm asking that that's interesting yeah wow yeah uh and obviously you're okay to take three in a day so it's like i think the max is three i think that's what they say so like up to three so i'm assuming it's like a four to six hour window type of deal what do you mean for when you should like yeah like how long it should last oh i'll go so um i'll take one when i get in uh so that's usually around 9 a.m i'll take one and then i'll take another one with lunch so right around noon and then if i do take a third one it's around 3 p.m if you're doing like a late podcast or training yeah because i'll get that energy the two energy dips i get will be right around right after lunch or around three o 'clock if i get any any energy dip it's done now would there be any benefit because it's since you're on a carbohydrate diet also like as a pre-workout so that all the carbs that you're you're intaking food wise is getting utilized for the training and then your brain is using the ketones?

39:54I like the way it feels. The data on it's interesting. Some data shows increased stamina. Other data shows maybe not. I think if it makes you feel sharp like it does for me, I think it's a good thing before my workout. But I'm so well fed, it's not like I lack energy. You know what I mean? When I'm working out, I have plenty of calories to use. But if I use it with my pre-workout or part of my pre-workout routine, I just feel very sharp. Favorite flavor? Oh, I like the apple, the green one. It's really good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I haven't had that. Yeah, that one's the best one. Oh, I'll have to try that.

40:28It's really good. I got to talk to you guys about a new GLP-1 propaganda scare that they've put out. There's all these articles coming out, and they'll come up with names like Ozempic Face or whatever. That's a real one. By the way, you know what it reminded me? It was what you were saying when you were going through how you saw pictures of yourself and you're saying how your face look yeah so you're a lot of hollywood actors i've seen yeah so what happens uh when you use lose a lot of weight if you don't do it right um in other words you're not hitting high protein lifting weights you'll lose muscle too and when you lose muscle things will look different will sag more plus but also there are places that you store body fat that when you lose the body fat it's just gonna look different because you don't have as much body fat so they have a new one called ozempic vulva let me shut Shut up.

41:16I feel like they're making stuff up, though, but I'm going to read it. Do you? I can totally see that. Yep. What do you mean? Tell me you can't not picture that that's a thing. Well, it's - If it does it to your face, why would it not do it there? Well, let's - Of course it's going to do it there. Here's what it says. So - I can't pick Vol. Yeah, I know, dude. So I'm like, what are they talking about? So hold on. A pop-up just came up. So basically, it's talking about how it changes the way that it looks. becomes a little bit... Listen, I... Hold on, here's what it says. Yeah, let me hear this.

41:49It's a zempic... Okay, here's what it says. Let me see. Sagging of the outer labia, weakness of the vaginal muscles, and dryness. You know what that's coming from? First off, if you get leaner, there's some body fat there that might change, but you're just so low calorie, everybody. If your calories are so low, you're so deprived. You're going to have vaginal dryness. Yeah. That's going to happen. Yeah, I think... You're going to have weakness in the muscles. Yeah, yeah. Well, I mean, So the audience that didn't listen, I didn't realize how many people didn't know that I did that as an experiment.

42:18I actually got messages like, why did you take Ozempic? And it's like, oh, people didn't realize that. No, you did it so you could talk about it. Yeah. I forget how many people that we always have that are coming in that are new and that didn't know that. Didn't hear that. No, what you did was legit brave. You went on it and you didn't try to keep muscle. You just lived your life and said, what would the normal, what would the average person do? What were my tendencies? yeah i'm not going to force feed myself i'm just going to like what the average person would do and i mean predictably you lost weight and a lot of muscle yeah and it's interesting because it when i was in it i knew it and i would i documented obviously talked about it you don't see it as much until you kind of look back so when i i hate the pictures when our team so unfortunately we had a photo shoot in the middle of that i obviously planned for or think that was happening.

43:10It's part of our PR package. It's still like, it is a part of our PR package. So when I go do interviews on other people's shows, it's a picture they use of like, this is a terrible photo to represent our company. Yeah. Like I have an Olympic face, you know what I'm saying? So it's a terrible, and I didn't realize how terrible it was till afterwards. I probably would have made a big stink about it. I would have refused the photos that day. I would be like, no, I'm not taking photos for our business. Just confident in the moment. Yeah. Weird, oddly confident. It's delusional. but i remember when you were doing it you were telling me how you would just forget to eat yeah yeah all day yeah all day it was it was it was a chore to eat it was a it was a chore it was a chore to eat it was a chore to eat and and i wasn't even trying to it was like oh my god i need to eat i don't eat anything all day like it was it's it's crazy how powerful that is and then and how quickly you can lose a lot of muscle man a lot of muscle if you don't consciously try to keep the muscle it's it's just it just starves you it also i mean because i did that before remember i did it first and then we also had the test group afterwards and so the combination of me testing it then also us having that huge group of people that we we went we coached through it really gave me a really good insight on uh what i and there there is a huge number of people that are uh getting overdosed on it not overdose like you're going to get die or anything like that but it's like a too high of a dosage that you don't want you want it to to quiet the noise right you want it to stop the ice cream cravings at night but the the prescribed dose they just kind of blanket start everybody on sure there's a percentage that that's just the right amount and it works perfect and it's just enough to quit noise but there's a big percentage of people and i and i think there's something uh to do with the healthier you are and you use it the more likely the dose you're going to be sensitive to it i agree because at least that's what i so that's what uh dr fitz told me uh that's what dr tina said dr c they all said that that like the healthier you are the more sensitive you yeah so the the the better you are metabolically already and you use something like that the super sensitive now so which now makes sense to me why they came out with this kind of this this blanket dosages because it's been around for 20 years used for diabetics and for obese people and so the the probably the test size of like oh all these people need this what they didn't realize was oh wow all of a sudden half of america is going to use it and half of america is it doesn't have that much metabolic dysfunction and so it's like those people are taking way too high of a dose and they're getting nauseous and just or eating way too little yeah it's way too strong i know that um justin micro dosed it because all of us wanted to experience it you were super sensitive oh man i was yeah retching like i was you literally were thrown up yeah i and i made the mistake of like like doing that right before we went on this like little mini vacation and i was like we'd go out to hike and this is in palm desert and it was like everybody's having fun i'm just like oh i had no energy it was just just in a bad place and puking like the whole time and it was a very very small dose yeah dude and that's crazy imagine if you went to the doctor and they gave you like a full dose yeah if i did a full pen like who knows well that would have been like a week of me retching i've had family and friends that have that tried it and they completely bailed out because that they're like oh my god it made me feel miserable and i'm like well you probably just it's not it as much as it was the dose your dose was probably way too high.

46:47I bet if you took a fraction of what you were prescribed, you probably wouldn't feel that way. That's why I like the compounding pharmacies better. You can adjust your dose rather than the prescribed. So you guys remember there was like an experiment, famous one with rat utopia. Yes. I wanted to kind of bring up. There was like another one, I guess. So this is the one where they took, correct me if I'm wrong, Justin. Okay. There were old studies on addiction. oh this was the cocaine and they're like they'll play and if you give cocaine this one they created a great environment for rats give them access to drugs and the rats didn't become addicted because they were in a happy place rather than being depressed yeah so that was the one i was familiar with and i guess there was another one this this guy did he started out with like six rats and he had this huge compound so plenty of space and room and um it doubled i guess the population like every 55 days or so and it like kept expanding and and they were thriving because they kept giving them food and water and resources and uh and they were there was no like uh animosity like they were all kind of collaborating and and it was just there was all of a sudden there was this turning point after 315 days and they like replicated this experiment it was like this weird like point where it just completely turned where the population got to a certain size and degree and then all of a sudden they all turned on each other and then started dying off until everybody died off and it was i forget what they like concluded with that but it was like so interesting to me is this is this mouth mouth mouth mouth yes doug look him up is this a malthusian study because They've tried to use this as a way to say that, yes.

48:30Yeah, like population control. Exactly. That's what I thought they were trying to push. Okay, so this might be an old study. And they try, and this, look it up. Make sure I'm saying it right. I think it's Malthus. Calhoun. Yeah, Calhoun. John Calhoun. John Calhoun, yes. Okay, so maybe I'm wrong. But there was some similar studies where they were trying to say, we can't have more than this many people on Earth. We're going to run out of resources. We've got to kill people. Yeah, they said the collapse of social roles, Young males were hyper-aggressive. Older males withdrawn and apathetic. Females stopped caring for their young.

49:02It wasn't just disorder. Society itself was unraveling. The dangers of overcrowding. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. You know, humans are far, I know that mice are social. Humans are very, are on another level of social. Yeah. So what's happened is the population has grown as we've become better. We've got access to more resources. we tend to cooperate better well not only that but we have way more space I was just going to say to replicate that kind of confinement 350 rats were how big of this rat utopia was it was it the size of the planet for humans because you could fit all the humans in Texas yeah and so it was more like a city right yeah so it's feel to it right and so you know if it got that point where we overcrowded well we already see this we already naturally did you start to grow out into suburbs yeah you know there was a time when you know san francisco was this little you know horse and buggy town you know and then it grows out and that's natural right and so i would imagine is that it right there yeah that's it it don't look very big yeah you know what you said adam is uh i forgot what the number was but if you took every human on earth and put him in texas with the with the population density that's similar to like hong kong so like you know it's a city you'd fit everybody in texas i mean Yeah.

50:23So to kind of remove it from that sort of New World Order version where they're trying to make the case that we're not overpopulated, not even close, but like the condensed population areas, you do see like more crime. you do see because it's because of the natural friction interaction sure is is you know it compiles so uh it's interesting to me just because i mean i've lived in both like in the city and then i'm i'm more drawn towards like you know open land and area so i have space and peace but like some people do thrive in that environment though well aren't we are we're an example of this also because the united states is this massive melting pot in other countries where it's more homogenized You don't see as much of that, right?

51:10Well, what's interesting to me... So you have all this diversity, so different morals, different values, different backgrounds, different everything, and then you shove them all in an area, of course. Well, what's interesting to me is there's some cities like Tokyo. Tokyo is a dense city. You know how safe Tokyo is in relationship to other cities? That's how homogenized it is, right? That's true. It's a total difference. Huge difference. We're unique in that aspect. I think we forget that a lot of times that we do have very different cultures trying to integrate with each other, which is a beautiful thing.

51:44It is hard. It's what makes the United States such a beautiful thing, but there's always another side. There's going to be more friction. Yeah, of course there is. We don't all agree all the time. Yeah, which is a beautiful thing. We don't have the same experience. It can create chaos and friction. You know what I'm saying? And it's just like people want this like utopia, but yet also have all this diversity at the same time. And it's like that doesn't, you get this many diverse people and you're going to have different values, different morals, different cultures, different ways of eating, different ways of everything.

52:19And so, and then you want to shove them in a tiny little city and make them all - Expect them not to have any friction. Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah, that's a very good point. No. I got an article that I want to go over with you. I had this great conversation earlier with my cousins. I'm in a group thread with them. And they were making jokes. We were like teasing each other. And they were making jokes about like meathead or like the myth of the dumb jock. And so I was like, actually, if you look at the data, physical fitness is slightly associated with intelligence. In other words, it improves your cognitive function.

53:00So then, of course, my brother who loves to like, I don't know, he likes to make up arguments I'm not having. He's like, well, what about like Stephen Hawkins? Because he's like stuck in a wheelchair type of deal. I said, generally speaking, that's what the data shows. But since you pointed that out, I said extreme intelligence is actually more correlated with mental illness, which a lot of people don't know. Yeah, it's right on the line. Anytime you go, the further you go outside of the averages, whether you go low intelligence or super high intelligence, you get higher rates of issues, mental issues.

53:35So I actually looked up seven correlations between high IQ and mental illness. And here's the links. High IQ and anxiety disorders, that's higher. OCD with people who have high IQ is higher. You have, let me see. Stress sensitivity is higher. So not as good with stress. social awkwardness higher rates of depression so that's the fifth one uh let's see the sixth one is uh and then uh there's mental health challenges across the board with intelligent and emotional intensity is another one this is where the saying comes from ignorance is bliss or what is it the crazy the mad scientist you know that you never heard the math you know the mad scientist okay like they're really smart but kind of crazy oh okay yeah yeah i mean this is i i think this is true i think anytime you move out i know it's true this is what the data shows but anytime you you meet anybody who's out so far outside of the average there's going to be some well you're thinking of yeah exactly those outliers but you could think of that even in the physical all of it pursuit right like super giant michael jordan or whatever like in terms of you're trying to look at a balanced person he's not balanced you know Yeah.

54:47And so there's going to be a lot of deficits that, you know, they're sort of just allocating all their efforts in this one particular. And it's not just that. It's also genetics. Like if someone's genetically huge, their life expectancy is lower. If you look at the data on that, like really, really big people, they just don't live as long. Really, really small people also don't live as long. So there's that. And it's like that with intelligence. What is it with our infatuation as humans, though, to admire and idolize those people, right? Like, whether it be the athlete or the— Because they do things that we can't.

55:21Yeah. And we put a halo on them. Out of reach, yeah, because we're—yeah, if we're trying to balance it all, we're never going to get to, like, that level in degree unless you sacrifice. I mean, I don't know how you can't see a guy like Elon Musk in an interview and not see— Obviously, he can produce like nobody else. Yeah. But he's tormented. You can tell. Oh, yeah. He said it. He said it himself. He can't get his mind to shut off. I mean, Peterson was the same way, too. Yeah. I see that in him, too. Yeah. Just like, yeah. I mean, that level. I mean, imagine, okay, Jordan Peterson hanging out with us is like you hanging out with a bunch of kindergarteners all the time.

55:58Stop, bro. Like, hey, cute and fun for a little while. Yeah. But it's just like, no, but seriously, trying to have like real conversations. Think of that. I mean, that's a good, that's a good example of like, you guys are going to give you some snacks. Imagine, imagine trying to have highly intelligent conversation with a bunch of kindergartners all the time, all the time, all the time. That's what he has to feel like. I think you're probably also a finger paint with them. You're also probably analyzing all the time, self-analyzing and overthinking everything. Of course. Yeah. It's gotta be. Or if you're like hyperproductive, you can never like relax.

56:32Yeah. You know what I mean? Hey, let's just chill. No, I gotta go. No, no, no, no. know i have a million things to do yeah dude so it's yon musk and then like the level of self important it's like you feel like you have to do something so great or grand right it's like you can't just have a good old normal yeah uh addiction's higher and uh people who are way outside uh on the high end of intelligence trying to escape that mind just it's a break for them you know so we look at things and we're like i wish i was like that i don't know if you would yeah i've always said that about people like that are so that again that idolize the the athlete or the rock star is just like you think that but it's like look at look at all the drug addiction suicide depression in that in that group yeah it's like they're they're hyper they dedicate their entire life for that one thing because they have to yeah and you know it's a i i do i do admire though the occasional um athlete or rock star or uber famous person that does seem to have a good head on their shoulders because it's so rare that so that is really rare so rare yeah yeah it's funny because i was listening to and i've listened to a few like rock stars on podcasts or you know and uh it it's funny because you'll you'll get somebody who got famous really early and they're just like a teenager and they the even now today they're like 50 something years old and there's they act just like a teenager still in the way that they talk and like everything and it's it's just funny but yeah they're literally like arrested development it's stopped right there you ever i wonder what the i wonder what the unlock for the person that like so i'll give it like and i i don't claim to have any idea what someone like steph curry is his personal life but he seems to have this he plays the game with so much joy and happiness he doesn't seem to let anything get him he doesn't get caught up in a lot of the political stuff he's got a really good balance really good attitude i wonder what it is that's unique about about him and his and he's and i would put him he's a one percent right he's very very like top like that he looks and to me tom brady seems more tortured like tom brady had was also like that but seems a little more it's hard to read though because you guys remember tiger woods remember how balanced he seemed he seemed so balanced until everything came out and then you're like whoa dude i don't think so i'm trying to think if i remember him being remember he was like super calm well he was chill but well what he played a sport that forced this level of like composure yeah so i can't so i see where he seems so remember when everything came out it was shocked it was shocked but yeah i kind of i don't know i get it yeah yeah okay buddy yeah i mean i i'm never shocked by when the stuff comes out for athletes and that's why too i'm like i don't claim to to know enough of steph curry but he he comes off to me as that he's got a better head on his shoulders with all the fame.

59:30You're talking about one of the most world-famous athletes right now. He has this level of joy. He doesn't look like he's tortured. He has this love of the game. Whether they're winning or losing, he's laughing. He's having a good time. I don't know. But a lot of them don't seem that way. A lot of them seem like they are locked in. Tiger Woods looked locked into me. Tom Brady looked locked in. Obviously, that guy's personal life was in shambles. divorce and everything that didn't go well for him. And who knows how tortured he was like, or still is. Speaking of Arrested Development, you guys ever run into like an older guy that you could tell he was super cool in the eighties.

1:00:08Didn't change. Yes. Dude, there's this dude. Hey, listen, I'm not going to say too much. Cause I don't want, I don't want him to hear it. But there's this guy, this place that I go to sometimes and this dude that works there. Yeah. And bro, he looks like Def Leppard. He's in his late fifties though. I mean, hair like Def Leppard, dresses like Def Leppard. I bet you he drives an IROC. I bet you if I were to look at his car. And I'm like, this dude for sure was cool at one point and just didn't get out of it. Just stayed there. He's got the straight, long, blonde hair. I'm like, dude. He's cool like every 20 years.

1:00:39No, he was psycho. There's not a part of you that identifies with that? No, bro. I was never cool. So I don't care. I'm not stuck because I was cool at some point. i got friends like that i got i got yeah i have a lot of i got yeah i got i got friends that we we've been friends since we were kids and i'm like bro hey i i had one of my this is this is true story right here true story this is like this just happened one of the we were up at uh we're staying at truckie he was up there with me this is like one of my childhood friends i won't tell which one but i you know who you are yeah he knows right so i go bro you wore those pants in our high school.

1:01:18The same pants? Same pants. Yeah. And he's like, oh yeah, man, they're still going. Still going? I'm like, bro, high school? I'm like, you were in our mid-40s, dog. The Jinkos? Wow. They were cargo pants. Same exact ones? Yes. They were. I've got pictures with me in high school with him with those. And he admitted, yes. I still got them. Wow. He's around the same size. He hasn't changed in size, really. Take 10 pounds. That's hilarious. I have a friend who like he'll just the same jokes i've heard since like junior high you know like and they're all revolved around like beavis and butthead and like like stuff like that yeah it's like that was way outdated yeah you're just like look over like you really we're still gonna use that joke you know and it oh man well you have i bet you have what i have too another i have another buddy who does who's this who's like who peaked in high school yeah so still tells those are the stories that's all we talk about when you're together that's it and i love to do that when i haven't done it in like years we all get together and it's like oh man we're telling old old stories but it's like if i talk to him through the year it's still you know he's like talking shit about like us playing basketball pick up basketball like fucking 30 years ago you remember that he gets mad at me for not remembering or he or he he tells me who he tells me who i am i'm like bro we haven't really kicked it in like 30 years i'm so different than what i was yeah i know like it's like you yeah you really knew me when i was 16 you're saying but i'm a little different than that's not like he like uncle rico syndrome oh totally man and i'm like oh my boy is just like he's he's stuck in that that's a guy thing i don't think women do well do that huh they just they definitely change why you look at doug to see if doug i have no idea he's like do women do that doug i'll have to ask katrina that that's a good question because i know she still she still stays in touch with a lot of her friends that she grew up with yeah that's a good question i don't know if i know any women like that that are kind of frozen like in that so why would why would why would we do that but not girls i don't well i don't know what is it about us that does that you know the hair bear thing i've seen that like i've seen some ladies that are in that and then like the oh and actually no that's actually not the leotards no there's some there's some people fashion wise i think there's some people we know that we'll run into and i'm like yeah she can't dress like that anymore well that's she's a mom in her 40s yeah like it's time to hang it up they don't change that's different to me because there's that happens to a lot of both men and women where that you just you were never really into style so you just get stuck in a style again i think you can relate to this right again i mean you don't you don't you don't care you don't care you didn't care then you don't care now you're like but when i mean i feel like that's the female version of that who she just she found one she found a hairstyle and and and leotards that she's good in she got a compliment she got yeah she got a compliment 30 years ago she's still rocking it leotards nobody wears leotards like the leg warmers the fact that you're bringing this up right now when i went to i went to that rob snyder thing in bakersfield of all places i watched that stand up and there was a lot of that in there oh yeah there was a lot of that yeah there was a lot of that in there and i was like oh shit yeah wasn't there like a bar around here that was like famous for like like middle to late middle-aged people meeting up who were single wasn't there like a bar it's like the blue something have you guys heard of this before it was around here i can't remember the name of it but apparently it's like people in their late 40s and 50s

1:04:45i did not i actually did go one time the blue pheasant the blue pheasant how did you know that uh i don't want to call this person out but somebody i know uh invited me to go one time and it was the only time I went. It's like a pickup joint around here for people in their like 40s and 50s. So there's one up towards, there's one that's for like cougars. I don't think it's called Cougar Town. There's a cougar one that's up in, oh my God. Of course you know this. You were going there in your 20s, weren't you?

1:05:22100%. I was at 920. I was at 100 cougars. I'm batting 1 ,000, you guys. Check this out. When you're 20, a cougar is like 30. You know what I'm saying? That's not a cute grandma version of cute. I can't think of the place right now. The name is slipping me. There's a bar that's known. I think I know what you're talking about. Yeah, if I said it, you would know. It's above Sunnyvale towards Mountain View heading that way, Palo Alto area, that direction. I can't think of the name of it right now, but it'll come to me. Doug, look at Blue Pheasant. I didn't even know that was a theme. I never heard that.

1:05:50Yeah, it's like a bar. Doug, can you tell us about it? Yeah, yeah, like what kind of people were there? Did you go? I did go. I mean I went one time and it's been a very long time ago it's here yeah I think it's an older place and then of course there's just a lot of people there it wasn't my scene at all just so you know too old for you Doug yeah too old for me you're actually younger I want to see what this place looks like yeah can I see this I just remember I had a client I had a client who he had gotten recently divorced and let me think at the time he was like 42 and he's like, yeah, dude, I started dating again.

1:06:29He's like, I went to this place called the Blue Pheasant. He told me all about it. He goes, it was terrible. I couldn't believe what it's all about. I just stuck in my head. Did you find it? Yeah, I did. I'm trying to cast it. I mean, it's just pictures of the location. It is kind of like I say, it's a bit dated. Let's just say that. Where at? I don't know. Sunnyvale or someplace? I think my client said they go hard in there, dude. Oh, I think it's serious. Because I know this person invited me and met one or two people there. Wow. Yeah. Well, we just gave it. And so that's like, it's known as a spot where like - It's like a pick-up place.

1:07:06Hunting grounds. For people who are like late middle-aged. Yeah. Can you scroll? Does it actually say that? Does it like say anything? I don't know if that's - Look at the ratings. Oh, they got good ratings. Good ratings, yeah. We should read the reviews. I know. I want to see - Oh, it's in Cupertino. Oh, wow. Yeah. We're going to get sponsored. Maybe. Maybe. The Blue Pheasant. I had never heard of this. That's great. I'm trying to remember right now the name. I just sent a text message to see if I can get the name of the one that I was talking about. It's a wrinkle. You for sure went to it. I did.

1:07:35I did. Yes, you did. I didn't go to it. That's so your style, dude. That's stupid. It's not my style. Yes, it is. You're going to get in trouble right now.

1:07:44Hey, what's a cougar for me now? Well, no. At the 44, when that's our... I mean, we're going to piss people off. Yeah, yeah. Stop it. They don't have names for guys that are disparaging, do they? For older guys? What are we called? Nothing. Dilf? I don't know. Oh, oh. Zaddy? Zaddy? What is it called? Sugar Daddy? Silver Fox. Silver Fox. Silver Fox. That's the one. But that sounds good. I know. Yeah, that's not disparaging. Is cougars disparaging? Yes, dude. If you called a woman a cougar, she'd slap you. No. No. That's not true. Yes, she would. No, no, no, no, no, no. We're going to get so many comments.

1:08:17You think that's disparaging? Yes, dude. I think it's like Silver Fox. No. No. woman wants to be called a cougar for sure if she is in that age range and she's pursuing young guys she's not ashamed of that no that means she's got enough game to get younger guys that's not a slide bro it's first of all you don't need a lot of game to get younger guys younger guys are just down well now you're sliding them no that's just about guys i mean that's just the thing about linking aging and most women object to the word cougar due to its predatory and forceful connotation oh yeah see we'll look up silver fox does that come up as a positive good dude i i don't think cougar is bad either yeah i don't think they'd want to be called mature lady you know i don't think you call them anything okay you guys what do we call them what do we call them now hey there's a there's a name for 45 to 50 year old women that pick up 20 year old dudes see look no the term silver fox is generally not considered disparaging just because it's guys yeah because that's what I'm saying.

1:09:19Well, because guys don't care. Yeah. Silver Fox is like, oh, you're a hot older guy. Yeah. I'm going to have to ask Katrina this. I don't think she, I don't think. I dare you to call her one. I do. I make age jokes all the time because she's one year older than me. I always point it out. She can take it. Cradle robber. Katrina's the oldest here. That's what I was saying. Is that what you do? Yeah, I do. This is my older wife? What a jerk. What a jerk. You know why I get away with it? Because she looks so young. She looks younger. And you guys are also so tight. Yeah. Yeah, I know. She's like, well, she's a little tomboy like that, you know, for sure.

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1:11:44And if you got stronger and you put lean body mass on, you're building muscle. That's right. If you stayed the same or got less, but yet you saw yourself get stronger than your CNS. But this brings up a good thing that strength gains are always both. In fact, when you first start strength training, you get rapid strength gains in most of that CNS adaptation. It's like the first few months of training, when you see like crazy, this is the beginner gains, right? Like I could take a client who, you know, has trouble doing, you know, 15 body weight squats. And in three months we're barbell squatting with, you know, 75 pounds.

1:12:20Like that's your tremendous strength gain. Most of that is CNS. They're going to build some muscle, but most of it's a central nervous system adaptation initially. But anytime you get stronger, it's both. It's not just bigger, stronger muscle fibers. It's also a central nervous system adaptation along with it. Yeah, that used to confuse me a bit because I used to see some of these guys that could do superhuman feats where they're so strong. But they weren't huge jacked guys. They were pretty wiry. But it was that central nervous system access and the way that they could recruit and really generate that kind of force output.

1:12:58You know who's a good example of this is his name Anatoly? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Anatoly. Have you seen that guy that dresses like a janitor? Oh, yeah. I love him. I've tried to get him on the show. So he's obviously lean and muscular, but if he puts long-sleeved clothes on, he looks like a skinny dude. And he comes out, I'm sure people have seen him, and he does these videos where he's acting like he's a janitor, and there's bodybuilders deadlifting 500 pounds, and he comes over, oh, could you mind if I try? And everybody's like, you can't. And he reps it out. That's a good example of CNS power. Oh, yeah, I know for sure.

1:13:29Next question is from the Duck Coffee Co. You've mentioned the biweekly method for strength training and cardio for best results. If you were to juggle between two MAPS programs with this method, which two would you bounce between for someone who just genuinely enjoys the benefits of both? So this comes from a study that I brought up a while ago that was really interesting to us, but also not surprising. And I love when I read a study that blows my mind, but then also makes me realize, oh yeah, this would definitely be the case just based off my experience. So what the study did is it compared three different ways of training.

1:14:07And the goal was to develop both stamina and strength. So method one was you combine both in the same workout. So strength train and then do something for stamina in the same workout. The second method, which is what most people do, is they'll have a day dedicated to strength and then a day dedicated to stamina and then a day dedicated to – Sort of alternate them. In the same week. Yeah. The other – the third way was every other week. So you're just strength training this week, and then next week, just endurance training. And what they found at the end of the study was that the third method resulted in better strength and endurance gains.

1:14:42It had better combination gains than the other two methods. Second place was the one that alternated the days, and the worst one was when you combined them all in one workout. This makes perfect sense. Makes perfect sense. And so the question is, which two MAPS programs? first off i would say any maps program would be good for the strength training phase especially for something like maps anabolic or maps symmetry or map strong or maps power lift on the other week if you don't choose something you enjoy doing and have fun doing which i think is the best option the other option would be like maps hit or maps cardio or you know the phase four of uh performance that's right oh i would choose the a cardio modality that i like that's what i that's what i would play basketball go swim do this stair master elliptical whatever the thing is that you like to go for i mean better outside yep runs whatever make it fun yeah yeah do something you enjoy doing and and if you can get outside i would get out so i'm totally toying with this idea and i'm gonna i'm putting it out there not because i said i'm gonna do it so everybody calm down but because i'm playing with the idea i'm trying to get my mind wrapped around and what's motivating me is actually corinne's journey so watching corinne reverse diet talk about how challenging it was i'm like you know what my trainer can do this like i'm you know i got to be able to give this a shot so i'm so attached to muscle and building strength and building muscle and it's not healthy and it's too far so i'm toying with this idea but every other week for me is going to look like what you just said something fun i mean i'm i'm i hope you do it because i'm actually so interested to see just to see what it does to see what it does yeah the result of it because i think i predict i'll lose i predict my body weight perfect sense but it does I want to see somebody actually apply it for sure.

1:16:19Well, I'm so extreme in the building, and I've been too extreme for so long, I'm sure I'm going to lose some muscle. There's no way that I won't lose some, but that's okay. But I think my body weight will probably fall somewhere around 210. That's what I think. Oh, I don't think you're going to lose that much. Yeah. I don't. Really? No. No, no, no. I don't think so. Well, when I start it, let's talk about it. I think you're going to have similar surprise. Similarly? Similarly. Similarly. Thank you. There's a problem there. surprised as you were when you went to mass 15 and member probably thought you would probably and you end up gaining yeah i think you're gonna lose little to no muscle but you're gonna build some endurance and stamina and maybe lean out a little bit maybe you do that yeah i think you're gonna be surprised at how good you go back to those 15 reps and it'll be fine next question is from extra celestial what are some exercises i can do as someone with scoliosis i want to get back into strength training.

1:17:17So I picked this question because almost every single time we have the, you know, ask us a question thing on Instagram, there's almost always a scoliosis question. Always. Like somebody's always asking this question. I've trained one. I'm sure you guys have as well. Of course. So here's the deal. So some people would say, just do unilateral. Just do like a program like MAPSymmetry. I don't think that's the right answer. I think that's part of the right answer. I think unilateral training should be a lot of your training, but you should also do bilateral, even though you have scoliosis. Why? Because in the real world, you're going to be doing bilateral stuff.

1:17:53Well, this is actually why I think symmetry as a program is the perfect program. It has all of it. Because it has all of it in there. Good point. You've got great isometrics in there to start it off. You've got great unilateral for the bulk of the program. And in the last phase, you do some bilateral. I mean, this person should live in symmetry, to be honest with you. Yeah, you're right. That's a great program to just recycle over and over. But the bilateral part, everybody's like, well, if I do bilateral, I'm going to compensate. Well, you have to compensate. That's the point. You need to compensate because your spine is curved in a particular way.

1:18:20That's not balanced. You have to develop compensations. Otherwise, it can be hard to function in the real world. So you're absolutely right. I forgot about that last phase. Yeah, yeah. Symmetry is the most beautiful program for this person to just keep running. We don't always say this with programs with people. It's good to move in and out. But this person, that's an ideal type. I mean, if I was training them, that's how I'd be running through their stuff. Because we do a lot of unilateral stuff. We'd occasionally challenge some bilateral stuff, then get back to unilateral stuff. Next question is from KGirl725.

1:18:50What is a good age to introduce weight training for kids? I have 10 and 7-year-old girls who do recreational sports. As soon as they're interested. Yeah, 100%. Strength training is appropriate if they want to do it and they're having fun with it. That's the key to me right here, right? It has to be fun and engaging. I think the mistake that people who probably listen to our podcast, because I think that puts you in a minority of the population that are into fitness, like working out, and you want your kids to get into it. The mistake is they have no interest in it yet, and you're trying to have them do it.

1:19:28Now, if they're asking, like, Dad, I want to work out, I mean, awesome, let's go. And honestly, just, I mean, I like tools like suspension trainer that's going to really challenge stability. It's fun. It's easy for them to use. uh it's safe um you know if you feel confident with teaching mechanics though i mean i would not if my son wanted a barbell back squat at you know eight i would if he wanted to try like i would 100 100 if he was interested yeah if they were interested but the thing was it wasn't about reps it wasn't about structure no uh it was about interest and it was also about learning and so um you know every time i would just use that as an opportunity to sharpen whatever they were doing and make sure they felt where they needed to feel.

1:20:11And they're like, yeah. And then if they wanted to add a little more weight or like challenge themselves a bit, I would. And then we would move on. And it was cool because it's, it is, it's just their interest leads it. Yeah, yeah. The most important thing you can focus on with a kid with any form of exercise is that they develop a good relationship with it. So the mistake I think a fitness fanatic would make is like, we're going to do this workout and I'm going to make you do it. And it's good for you. Or this program. And then you end up a kid resenting it. and then they grow up and they're like, I hate it.

1:20:40Why my dad forced me or my mom forced me and it sucked. You want to give them a good relationship with it. So it's literally about fun. And I think you said it best, Justin. You let them lead it. Oh, can I try that? Sure. And you just have fun with it. Listen, we give this advice all the time to adults. Go to the gym and practice movements. It's perfect. Just get your kids to practice some of the movements you're doing. They don't need to run a program. They don't need to have like the scale this way, progressive overload that way. It's like if you can get, if your kids are interested at seven and 10, which is awesome if this is true, then getting them just practicing some of the movements that you're doing in your program is awesome.

1:21:17And introducing it to them that early and just see if they can get that movement down pretty well is awesome. I will say this though. It's not necessary because he says that his kids is in recreational sports. You might think to yourself, my 10 year olds in recreational sports, they need to do some strength training. No, they don't. No. If they don't want to do it, they don't need to. They could just play sports and they're going to get all the benefits from the sports. Yeah, variability is amazing right now. That's right. You just introduce them to a lot of different movements. It's perfect. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram.

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