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30:36That's all that would do? Yeah, look up Methyl and Blue history. That's crazy. It really is crazy. And it's used in medicine, by the way, for certain disorders. Like you go to the hospital for, I forgot what it was, they'll give you an IV of Methyl and Blue to help you. But anyway, it's an MAOI inhibitor. So the MAOI, MAO is an enzyme that breaks down neurotransmitters. So when you inhibit it, you increase neurotransmitters. So more serotonin, more dopamine, more norepinephrine. and so you just feel more energy you feel more awake you're sharper that's why they call it like a cognitive enhancement by the way it's also important if you're on an ssri do not take an maoi don't take an mao inhibitor yeah because it's dangerous like you're taking something that increases serotonin then something that prevents it from getting broken down you can get what's called serotonin syndrome but by the way that's how powerful methylene blue is it's a powerful maoi or mao uh inhibitor uh but i was reading about it and a lot of the products that are out there are are contaminated with heavy metals really yeah so they've had third-party testing of other because methyl and blue is all popular now i think there was a video of uh robert kennedy oh yeah he was squirting some of it in his water and it's easy to see because it's blue yeah and so like a lot of people are using it and i looked up some third-party testing there was like heavy metal contamination all over the place man so the place we go with prescriptions clean clear it's good legit uh non-stimulant but definitely works definitely and you took it this weekend i did i took this week i always had to do a lot of manual labor and stuff and fix a bunch of things and you know it was kind of running a little low energy took it and it totally like a long period of time too a couple hours of pretty consistent energy now it's tons of cognitive benefits but do you feel like energy almost like caffeine energy from it too It's not like a stimulant, but you do feel more awake.

32:24And I feel faster. That's the right word. I don't know if that's the right word. Like verbally, I'm faster. Yeah. Yeah, I could agree with that. So there's no central nervous system effect from it? There is mild because of the increase in the neurotransmitters, but it's not a direct central nervous system stimulant like caffeine is. So I still don't think you should take it before bed, but it's not a direct CNS. Okay. So you still have the groggy kind of underlying, I don't know, Sometimes during the day, I'll just have that kind of low fatigue. Now, is it okay for me to take with caffeine if I was drinking caffeine?

32:58Oh, yeah. Okay, so it's fine with that. A lot of people take it with caffeine. What should you not take it with? Anything that, any kind of medication that raises serotonin, like an SSRI or another MAO inhibitor. Dangerous. It's actually very dangerous. What would be another one of those? Natural one, I can't think of them, but people are on medication. So remember - Do they all fall on the antidepressant? This is not a good commercial, but I'll tell you guys what happened. Remember a while ago when I got freaked out? Yeah. Because I took, what was it called? Tesofensin. Oh, yeah. So tesofensin you get from peptide companies, right?

33:32Peptide companies. This is when Sal does stupid stuff. And it's a serotonin norepinephrine dopamine reuptake inhibitor. And so people, it's actually used for weight loss for some people. They'll take it and they'll eat less. And it also makes you feel better or whatever. well I didn't know that you shouldn't combine it with methylene blue that was scary that's when I told you guys I was I started sweating profusely like uncontrollably sweating and I knew right away I was like oh I think I'm in serotonin syndrome went to the hospital and they're like you're gonna have to wait it out you're gonna have to write it out buddy and I was okay I gotta I gotta tell you guys a funny story dude about my kids were all my kids were mad at me all of them pissed off my little one my daughter you're so mean i hate everybody was pissed off on me so in my garage i noticed signs of a mouse so he's nibbling on like our paper towels he was doing all kinds of things right poop droppings everywhere and then i came in one day turned the light on and i seen him running by so i'm like oh you're in my house dude like you're gonna have to kill you and uh i i i'm a man i love catching my i don't know about you guys but like catching live or like you mean like trapping them okay trapping them i have fun shooting them don't yeah there's something about it it's like i feel invaded don't you know carry disease don't be in my house so anyway but it's in the garage so i set up mouse traps like the ones that snap yeah okay now this little mouse somehow got the food off three traps and they did they went off and he was he disappeared wasn't there so i'm like he's this is war so i'm like strategizing They may remember the sticky ones.

35:11The sticky ones always catch them. So we come home one day in the garage. I got my daughter. I got my niece. I got my two little ones. Okay? My five-year-old, my three-year-old, my 16-year-old, my 18-year-old niece. We turn the light on in the garage, and the mouse is just sitting right there by the stairs. And my daughter's like, oh, my God. My 16-year-old. He's so cute. He's tiny. He's so cute. Look how cute he is. I'll show you guys a video. So I'm like, is there something to smash it? I didn't have a shovel, so I'm like, let me get a broom. So I walk over to him, and everybody's like, he's so cute.

35:45Let's keep him. Come on. Let's keep him. So I take the broom. The garage is open. And I blasted him. And I didn't hurt him because it's a broom. But I got him outside the garage. Oh, my God. I can't believe you caught him like that. Everybody was screaming. Don't hit the mouse. My little ones start crying. My daughter runs in the house. My daughter runs and says, you hurt the mouse. Bro, my wife comes home. Everybody's mad at me. She's like, why are you guys mad at your dad? He's so mean. He hurt the mouse. Oh, my God. You didn't even kill it. My daughter took a video. Look at this video. I can't believe he did this.

36:18I'm like. What they need to see is a cat eating it head first. Bite it off and then leaving the entrails for you. Oh, my God. Do you still have your work cats? Do you still got those cats? Yeah, yeah. Yeah, they're savages, dude. And they're on a hunt right now. I think it's because there's this false signal of, like, spring. So a lot of, like, flowers are because it's warmer. Bro, the weather is so weird right now. It's just off, right? Super warm. There's all the moles and the, you know, the mice and the rats and all that. They're out in force. And so they're starting to bring them in. We had one of them bring, like, it was a mole, I think.

36:54And they brought, we had the doors open because it was such a nice day. We were letting the breeze in and everything. And the cats came in and had one of those in its mouth and then let it go. and then they're like, you know, playing with it, pawn like, ah! Get this thing out of here! What are you doing? It freaked me out, man. It's like, dude, I mean, they're kill machines. They're effective. Hey, I found, do you remember a while ago we talked about the infamous hammer strength leg machine? Oh, yeah, yeah. It's been going viral right now. Yes! Yeah, it's going viral right now. Somebody's all, I see a bunch of people talking about it.

37:27You know what it's called? What is it called? H-Squat. Doug, look at it. It's called Hammer Strength H-Squat. The H-Squat. I've seen all kinds of - Listen, Dylan, you've got to put this in the video. You've got to edit this in so people can see what this - I don't know why - Why couldn't our clip go viral when we talked all over? Because I don't think we put a picture of it. It is a monstrosity, bro. It is huge. It's a towering - I know Doug - Is that they're going to climb stairs? Doug has got to have some footage of that when we shot in that gym. I know we had him take a - You had to have taken a picture or video of that.

37:53Is it that vertical position? Doug, did you find - This was at your old gym? Yeah, remember the old one I trained at when I was in high school where we shot the original Maps Black, And you had to climb up it? You had to climb up stairs. Yeah, you had to climb up it. If you fell up the top, you would hurt yourself. That's how tall it was. Did you find it, Doug? I think so. Yeah, it's a huge lever, like squat lever machine. There's all kinds of viral clips going around there right now. Is this it here? No, no, no, no, no. Also, Doug, this is a guillotine. If you look up. Oh, here it is. Oh, there it is.

38:25That yellow one right there. Oh, the yellow one. Okay. Oh, my goodness. What the hell? You have to climb that row of stairs. I actually feel like the one that placed the older one was even taller. Apparently, it feels... I never used one because I was always, when I saw it at the gym, I was like, I'm not going up my stairs. So the clips I haven't been seeing, they're talking about how it was the greatest leg That's what everybody says. Yeah, it says greatest leg machine ever made. Now I'm all curious. I want to try. But as a gym owner, like, come on, you're going to take some so much. Remember the one that I was in mind, you had the chain on it.

38:52It was a chain. Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was like, for sure, lawsuit. That's dangerous. Look at that, Faith, bro. What? Hey, how dangerous is that to you? Why? You just hammered your legs and you had to go down the stairs. Yeah. Yeah, that's like a new version. That's a new version of it right there. Yeah. But you can see the lever. So at the bottom is the weight. So when you push the platform, it's the bottom that lifts. So it's like this crazy lever squat. Weird. Yeah, dude. I know. I wonder what the physics are on it that makes it so great in comparison to like any traditional hack squat. Because of the platform goes down, it goes from leg press to squat almost.

39:28so you get this really full range of motion. I was watching it on Instagram. I've never used it. Like I said, every time I saw it, I'm like, I'm not climbing the stairs. Because, you know, the one that you used to work at, the old Golds or whatever that's off, or American Barbell, whichever one, I forget what it is, off of Monterey, has the one where you lay upside down. Oh, yeah, that's crazy. Yeah, and it comes. That's the old school leg press. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you miss that, you're dead. Yeah, yeah, yeah. This is fresh you. No thanks. In your dreams and everything. Hey, speaking of Instagram and social media, and you brought this up too, Justin.

39:58You said your boys were starting to watch. Oh, yes. There's this new category of fitness influencers that are like these steroid influencers that are getting popular with kids. Have you watched some of their stuff? So I haven't. Yeah, I've been meaning to like really sit down and watch. I've heard a lot from like, especially my oldest, because he's, I think it's like TikTok where they're popular, but he says they're funny and he knows it's ridiculous. But at the same time, I'm like, you know, this is probably horrific information. Like, I need to get in there and, like, dissect it all. So what they do, so I clicked on one, clicked on another one.

40:37So now my algorithm is starting to pick up on them. And I'll click on them now because I'm like, what are they saying? So it's either A, dudes who lift who talk about steroids. Or B, it's these, like, fitness personalities who are, like, experts. That's how they post it as experts. and they'll post like before and afters and here's my clients and here's what i read all and he's talking about steroids so they'll literally talk about the cycles that they're putting their clients on they'll show before and afters here's what the doses are you guys the information is crazy how is that like bro i am watching these guys say things like you know like there was this one guy that's like a thousand milligrams of testosterone a week is a crazy high dose then this guy gets on it's not a crazy high dose this is what i have my clients do regularly you're not going to see anything over 500 milligrams i'm like what what regulated what a thousand milligrams is not a lot that's nuts that's 10 times insane what they would typically give you think you think part of this is because and i remember when i was in my early 20s and i and i messed with steroids and it you think you need more of it but really what it is you just don't have the muscle maturity and the amount of steroids you add don't make that big of a difference and all you do is increase more and more risk or you don't have the diet or the training well yeah exactly those those things just were not were not there it took years of for the doses that you because you're open about it's not like you hide it what you took to become a pro physique competitor was like half of the way you messed around oh yeah oh yeah not less I took way more when I was a kid.

42:14Way more because of that same reason. Took a little bit and it's like, oh yeah, I feel a little bit, but I've only put on like five pounds. You know what I'm saying? Must need more of it. And of course, I'm taking advice from these big bodybuilder guys that are like, oh yeah, Graham's not that much. You know what I'm saying? Telling you that it's not that much. And all these guys are all doing it thinking it's okay. And it's like - Bro, you should see what they're recommending. They're having this, there's this one guy, and he sounds smart. He sounds like a smart dude. I would have got fooled.

42:41If I was 19, for sure, because he sounds like a smart guy, I would have been like, oh, he knows what he's talking about. He's having his clients take, they're like, they're taking this much testosterone, this much masturon. This is an anabolic steroid. Then he's adding a little bit of this anivar, and then he's taking this much growth hormone. Like, what? Oh, my God. You're going hard. Are they young clients or older clients? They're in their 20s. Oh, wow, yeah. 20s and 30s. Wow. So anyway, that's what they, so you talked about the trend twins, which are kind of funny. The trend twins was, yeah.

43:09But that's these little dudes that are real short, but kind of little meaty guys. And they just talk about how much steroids they take. And they work out and they yell at each other. Well, you know what's so dangerous? And they are funny, but it's like, come on. You know what's so dangerous now, too, is that the best advice doesn't surface to the top. It's the most shocking. Yes. That's what goes viral. That's what goes viral. So somebody like. It's the freak show. Yeah. Like somebody who's talking about a very conservative this and boring science and this. You know what I'm saying? Like that's not going to go anywhere.

43:40It's always going to be just liver king and all that shit. Yeah. Yeah. No, it is. That's the only thing that's going to be popular in these social media things. And do you think that our kids, or your guys, because your kids are kind of in it right now, do you think by your younger kids, my kid, when they get older, will be more privy to that? I hope. Like that these algorithms feed these people to the top because it's a wow factor. More than it is, it's good. well at least he knows it's ridiculous and he has conversations with me about it but it's like he's still drawn to it because it's entertaining yeah and they're freaks like so i think it's somewhat human nature it's like you're drawn to these of course oddballs you know it's like the circus back in the days you know what's you know what's wild to me just on this topic just hopefully some kid is listening so i could get through to you a little bit because of mind pump because of the podcast we started getting popular i had the opportunity to sit down with some of my old bodybuilding heroes like guys that were like like back in the 90s that were crushing i got to talk to them off air and they were very candid about everything that happened i thought it was all about like oh this guy got that big because he did way more drugs than everybody else did a lot yeah and he'd tell me he's like no dude he's like i'm telling you the truth like this is now i know some guys lie i get that but i believe them because uh genetics are crazy it's a lot of Genetics, how you respond to food.

45:03I remember when Ben Pakulski just crushed my paradigm. Because I talked to him and I said, God, pro bodybuilders have the best digestion. He's like, what do you mean? I'm like, you guys are able to eat 10 ,000 calories a day and get big. He goes, what? He goes, no, pro bodybuilders can get big on low calories. That's what makes them pros. And I'm like, of course. Yeah. Of course that's what it is. Because as a kid, I could eat 7 ,000 calories. How can you sustain that? I know, dude. Yeah, made a lot more sense. Totally different. Totally different. Anyway, speaking of crazy, of not science, did you guys see the viral study on transgender athletes?

45:38Oh, yeah. They're trying to say. I didn't read it. I know it was promoted on I Love Science, but I just, I couldn't. Like, what was, give me the cliff notes. It's terrible. We're trying to make the case that there's no advantage. Well, I'll read to you. Already, I got questions. I'll read to you guys like one of the headline type things. By the way, just some hope. You read the comments, nobody believes it. Yeah. Nobody believes it. Everybody underneath is like, okay. Like, yeah, roll my eyes. It sounds like a total. So here's what it says. Landmark study finds no fitness advantage for trans athletes in women's sports.

46:12So a landmark study published in the British Journal of Sports Medicine has found that transgender women who undergo hormone therapy might not have a fitness advantage in women's sports. The research, which analyzed data from over 6 ,400 participants, concluded that after transitioning, trans women show no significant difference in strength, endurance, or oxygen consumption compared to cisgender women, or as I like to call them, women. The findings challenge assumptions about trans women's athletic advantage. The researchers noted the need for further studies. Okay, so here's what you have here.

46:42When you have men and women, when you go more to the extremes of athletic performance, so if I start to move out here with strength, stamina, endurance, bone density, that kind of stuff, there's more men on that extreme, and there's more women on the extreme over here where they're weaker, less strength, less stamina, but there's a crossover in the middle. In other words, if you gave me the average dude and had him lift weights with the strongest female power lifter, she's going to crush him. She's just going to crush him. We know this. You give me an average dude and have him fight the top female MMA athlete that weighs about the same, she'll kick the crap out of him.

47:20Okay? That's just, okay. So there's some crossover, but it's the extremes where things get wonky. so when you're competing for first place yeah and you were a man for most of your life you have a major advantage and that's the data clearly shows and this is an example of how they used data to twist and mold yes so outcomes to communicate crap so so so based off of what you're saying that the the 64 participants they use 64 000 or 64 000 participants 6400 it was 6 ,400. The 6 ,400 participants had to be like these average athletes. Yeah, people who just like, oh, I'm going to go get fitness tests.

47:58I'm going to go whatever. But again, if you look at competitive sports, what you'll see is an advantage. And that's really what matters. I don't care about pickup basketball. I don't think anybody cares that transgender athletes are showing up at the rec league. No, who cares? Whatever. Fine, we're going to go play. We're going to go swim in the pool, whatever. But high school, especially college, especially professional sports, where scholarships are on the line and records are on the line. It's funny that we need a study to try and prove that. If you've watched some of these, it's like... There's clear physiological advantages.

48:34It's gaslighting otherwise. It's like the MMA transgender that was just pounding. Beating the crap. It's not even close, dude. No, because I've had conversations with friends about this and they're like, well, I know a woman that could out-squat you to me. I'm like, yeah, dude, you're talking about the strongest woman in the world and I'm just a dude that lifts weights. So now let me go find the strongest on the other end. But show me the strongest man in the world compared to the strongest woman in the world. And there's a massive difference. Huge gap. There's a massive difference. So you can't look at the averages because there's crossover and everything with men and women, but it's the extremes where you start to see the gender differences.

49:13and so this and they really did a good job of twisting and it's like going viral i hear people now but again some hope the comments were like nobody was buying it dude everybody in the comments was like cool like well since we're touching the third from the people that brought you fluoride in your water since you're touching the third rail already why don't as well i'm so uh i'm so curious right now um your thoughts on what what's going on with these epstein files and the stuff that we're seeing well there's i have two things that i want to ask like one uh it's crazy to me that stuff like the pandemic that has come out and it's pretty clear that this was completely planned um that i watched families get divided over how are we not in just an uproar of like somebody has to hang for this i mean that i mean people got killed over this uh families are still divided over over this thing it was probably if you grew up in the last 15 years it was the most tragic thing you've probably you've probably been through um and we're not we're not in an upheaval and then the the other two part to this question i have to answer to it because they're you know protected so yeah and there's certain individuals that led this whole thing that are protected and they were from the very beginning and so yeah it's frustrating so someone someone dm dm me that like how they're like you know i'm are you guys i feel like you guys are skirting around this conversation and i'll tell you what and this leads to the second question so hang in there uh what i said to him that i don't feel like we're skirting around it i think we're just cautiously waiting to see what's going to happen because there's another part of me that goes why are we just now getting this and this is the information we're getting and how much do we not know and is it really about this and there's really more that meets the eye these are the questions I have this is why I'm not there's a part of me that thinks too that what we're seeing here are a bunch of scapegoats that were intentionally being used as scapegoats so that the real people in power and control will keep it moving is so like i'm not on any team right now and i heard you guys say before we started podcast i hadn't heard it before that there's the new saying is the clear pill yeah yeah right so there's the the blue pill the the red pill clear pill yeah like they're both pills are crazy yeah the world is a stage that's the clear pill and and i and i just caution anybody else that we're friends of ours and and content creators to like you know it's real easy to want to jump on a side on this stuff.

51:55Well, there's two parts that, cause I'm same thing, dude. I see it and I'm like, oh my God. Like, first off, this confirms the big leak of the Podesta emails from back then. And if you've never read them, please don't. It'll disturb you. Bum you out forever. There's a huge email leak that was put on, what's that site? WikiLeaks. WikiLeaks. Yep. So it all cooperates, it's all like, you see it and you're like, oh my God, it's true. It's all real. So I think part of it is A, who's going to go after all the people in the emails when everybody's implicated? Which side is going to arrest the other side on both sides or all the sides?

52:31You have the top billionaires, top scientists, political leaders from both sides, other countries, cooperative with everything integrated. Yeah. Like religious leaders. You see the Dalai Lama visited Epstein? Yeah. Okay. Like who's going to make the move when everybody's in on it. And then two, if everybody's in on it, why are they releasing it? Yeah. That's the part I'm like, And I think, I think I sent you a video. My wife sent me this morning and she's like, I think this may be true. Accurate. I think because it's clear when you read the emails that they play a game of psychological warfare on the public to manipulate us.

53:06That's what they do with COVID. It's what they do with the world wars just to get us to freak out and to manipulate us and act in a particular way. Overthrow governments. It's just another part of this, of the psychological warfare. So why would they put this out now to freak us all out about everything? I don't know. One theory is because they're preparing to get everybody to be up in arms against the powers that be. So we've got to overthrow everybody and get this new government, this new world order or whatever. Right, there'll be a vacuum. Yeah, so I don't know. Because it's true. It's like, wait a minute.

53:37If everybody's in on it, if all the powerful people are in it, how the hell did this get released? Yeah. Why? Because the people are like, release the Epstein files? They wouldn't give it. They don't care. Yeah. Why? And also, this is all just from the FBI's collections, not even from the CIA. It goes really, really far. And supposedly the FBI, the CIA, other intelligence agencies were using Epstein Island for blackmail. So why are they releasing it now? I think it's true. I think they're trying to still mess with us psychologically and they're going to come out with something else. It's really interesting.

54:08And I love the clear pill thing because I told you I have these personal threads of family and friends. I have a liberal thread and a conservative thread. And probably really good for me that I have both, right? Because I see it. And I remember during the pandemic, like, man, really struggling to connect and to see eye to eye with my liberal side of my family and friends. And I'm like, man, they've drank the Kool-Aid all the way, right? But now I see it on my right side that are just. Like Trump's in the emails a bunch of times. So pro the other side and like celebrate. And I'm like, whoa, dude.

54:47I'm like, you guys should pump your brakes a little bit. You just ignore information, right? If it's not something you want to promote. It just shows you how easily everybody is fed by their own algorithms. And they do such a good job on both sides, like convincing you that you're right. Your team is this. This is all the science, all the information, all this stuff to support your argument. And so to kind of be like somebody who doesn't really identify as one one side or the other. It's all wrestling to me. Yeah, it's you literally have your heel. you have your uh oh pro wrestling yeah pro wrestling yeah yeah it's everybody has their their part that they're playing and they're projecting and you know you know why that's such a good example justin i actually was just watching the the netflix series on that right now too katrina and i that's like some of our background tv and by the way even when people know it's fake well that's so the point you guys know that more people watch the the summer slam and the wwe then super bowl yeah like that's how popular wow and we all know it's fake yes Yes.

55:51So think about that for a second. Yeah, real excited. Fandom is... We at least believe football is real, although there's a lot of people... We used to believe football is real. Some people think it's all scripted too, but I know why now. I'm like, oh man, it's everything is. You know what I'm saying? Meddled a little bit with. Yeah. So you see the amount of people that get behind it, get behind characters when they all know it's... But it's such a great example of even how we navigate through the real world and politics and everything that's going on. It's just like we buy so hard into our team and our guy without everything.

56:26We can fit a narrative. That's all we have to go off of. The question is, because I hear people like, what do we do? Yeah. What do we do? Well, here's what you do. You stay calm when you know what hits the fan. Just stay calm because it's going to hit the fan, and you're going to want to grab your pitchfork, and you'll be ready for whatever. Just stay calm because it's obvious that they like us to be afraid and to be angry. The advice we gave last podcast where we lightly mentioned this. About your own community. Yeah, exactly. Focus on people around you. Focus on your family, your neighbor, your closest friends, and don't get caught up in everything outside.

57:04When you hear trumpets in the sky, you know what's happening. Yeah, just stick with what you have influence and control over, and I think that we've all been pulled out of that. But that's where the problems all arise. The point of me bringing that up is because I don't know, I've gotten several DMs from people that have heard us talk about certain characters or people, and they want to hear us like, why aren't you saying more about this person? I'm like, man, you guys are so easily manipulated. Point your finger. Yeah, like I'm not on any of their teams. No. I'm not on any of their teams. No.

57:39Yeah, none of their teams. Just because I have certain values that might align with somebody's team, it doesn't mean that I'm... I had a client. I know. Everybody wants that gotcha. Yeah. what's that quote like none are more hopelessly enslaved than those who believe they're free i think that's so true so true yeah i had a client once tell me great advice this is when i was getting into like understanding politics for the first time and i was getting all whatever and he's like would you let him babysit your kids no he's like why well i don't know i'm like yeah so stop trusting him so much right oh yeah you're right it's a good gauge that's my new that's my litmus test when i let them babysit my kids nah i'm probably not gonna yeah listen to everything Well, even too, like we said before, anybody who wants that kind of power that bad, he's like - Shouldn't have it.

58:21Yeah. Yeah. Shouldn't have it. Dude, they're vermin. The type of character it takes to do that. Imagine climbing the ladder to try to be president. What you got to do, the hands you got to shake. Well, now we know. Yeah. That's worse than we thought. You know when it was really eye-opening for me? I don't remember how old I was when I realized how little they get paid. Well, that was enough for me. Because I always thought like, oh, it's a super high-paid job. Maybe 400 grand a year. Oh, yeah. I'm like, so, okay, wait, let me get this right. So a lot of these really wealthy people. And then questioning that, you'll get sued, right?

58:51You see what happened with Sean Ryan? Oh, he's been taking all kinds of heat. Yeah, well, he just starts kind of looking at, oh, you know, some senators and some people. I'm not going to mention it, so we don't get sued. They get in. How much does a senator make? $250 ,000 a year? They serve for five years. They come out, and they're worth$100 million. $90 million. How? Like, excuse me? How did you? You definitely didn't earn that. What's the other business? And, you know, oh, it's just investments? Is that what we're talking about? You see people get in trouble for following their trades? That's my favorite.

59:18There was a page on X that was copying Pelosi's trades and whatever. Oh, they got in trouble for that? Yeah, dude. Now other people have popped up and they fought for it. Because you follow their trades, you'll crush the market. Dude. How do they know? And to think that you're taking money from other countries and you don't think that's going to have influence on our own country is hilarious. How skeptical are you guys now of Bitcoin now that it came out that Epstein was part to funding all that stuff 60 of the people there he was giving he was giving money to wow they crowd i mean bitcoin i saw a tank yeah that's why because oh we we this whole time it was supposed to be like a thing they free us and if it's tied to that dude that's the it's the complete opposite we want to hold on to that yeah i'm like it's is it still dropping where's it at now doug is that 70 000 oh it went up a little bit rebounded a little bit yeah it was at 100 something And then went down to like 60 or something like that, which was depressing.

1:00:16Mainly just because I bet you, because you know that they did this, it's not a law, it's a tax exempt thing. Did you see this, Doug? So let's say you bought at 100 Bitcoin and you lose, okay, down to 50. Say it dropped all the way down to 60, which it dropped down to. Can you write off the losses? You can write off the losses against capital gains. Oh, wow. So a lot of people that bought at 100, sold at 60, took the 40 ,000 and then they can write that$40 ,000 against other capital gains. So if you'd flipped a house or made money. Oh, wow. And then you rebuy right back into the market. So did you know that?

1:00:51No, I didn't know that. You can do that with stocks. Right? You could write off your losses, right, Doug? Yeah, I believe you can, yeah. Against capital gains. Against capital gains. Doug, are you taking the RHO creatine? Is that what that is? Yeah. Have you been taking it? I have been. What do you think? I mean, it's great. You just squirt it in your mouth and you're done. Yeah, so they're glutathione and NAD. That's what I use every day. So for people who aren't familiar, it's a company that makes supplements that are all liposomal, which means they're encased in a liposome, which is a fat, to incur it, to get it to be absorbed and used.

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1:03:04Hi, Karen. How you doing, Karen? Hello. Hi, guys. Thanks ever so much. I'm in a bit of a shock really. I can't believe this. So, thank you so much for having me on. I just want to say a big thank you to you, actually. Thanks for listening to me today. And also, I've been listening to you guys for over a year now, and you really have helped me so much move on from a bit of a dodgy place I was in. And also, thanks for the tip about the pots and pans from our place, because my husband and I bought a set with our Christmas money, and they're brilliant. So thanks. Aren't they great? No, it's not. If I just read out my email, it's probably going to be the easiest way to do it.

1:03:38So I apologize for the essay. Right. Okay. So I've been following you guys for about a year. and it's around about last year that I had a chat with Margaret and she advised me to go and do anabolic which I've run twice then I had a chat with Kyle who then advised me to run symmetry and then do muscle mummy so I've done both of those as well and I also did join the muscle mummy movement for a bit and had a great chat with Corinne who helped me a lot and advised me that I needed to sort of move my calories up because originally last year I was in 1700 and I'd moved up to 2000. She advised me to reverse diet up to 24, which I did very scarily, but I did it.

1:04:22I also had a chat with Marcello as well. He then pushed me up to 26 and advised me to do that while I was doing Muscle Mummy and then said also about then moving on to Map Strong because I said that I wanted to build muscle, but lose about 5 % body fat at that point. So I haven't run that one yet because I started on Max 15 because I was like, I want to give that a go. So that's where I'm at at the moment with that. I have, so at the moment I have actually, I'm getting all out of my, dropped my calories back down recently because where my job is so active normally, in January it gets very quiet and I had a bit of a panic about my activity level.

1:05:04So I was at 2.6 and then I got to January, panicked about it and dropped down to two too because I was really worried about gaining body fat um I have two jobs I am mainly a singer um but I also trained to be a nutrition coach a few years ago off the back of my history um and I've been trying to help people ever since get out of the ruts like I got myself in for many years um okay so so at the moment I'm on 2200 calories 140 grams of protein about 75 grams of fat and the rest is made up with carbs stroke fiber and the majority of my diet is whole foods i hardly drink um i've really made an effort with all of that i'm on 10 milligrams of creatine a day up to it because obviously i listen to you guys every day and i'm also on omega 3s d3 plus k2 um my scale weight when i started last year was 57.1 kilos i hope kilos is all right i know you guys working pounds don't you um um i my skeletal muscle mass was about 22.9 and my body fat percentage about 26.6 now as of yesterday i'm at 60 kilos muscle mass is about 23.6 so that's good but my my body fat percentage is 28.3 it's it's done it's got a bit up and down over this whole course but that's where i'm sat at about the moment i'm on hrt i'm on estrogen and progesterone i was on testosterone for libido issues I stopped it a few months back because when I started lifting heavy thanks to listening to you guys start to notice a natural increase of my testosterone so I decided to come off of it because my was having a bit of an issue with excessive hair growth in the upper thigh area and I wasn't keen on that so I thought I'd give it a go off it to see how I fared and my libido has been all right actually I've felt pretty good but I don't know if that's affected me at all um my positives throughout all of this is my strength increase has been quite significant deadlift has probably gone up about 20 kilos squat 10 kilos and my bench 10 to 15 corin gave me some sort of goals to work to which i'm getting close to which is good generally my sleep i track it a lot now seven hours if i work i work a lot late nights six and a half but i try to make it up on other nights if I'm not working um I my perimenopausal symptoms I was getting quite bad dips they've improved a lot and I'm experiencing my major thing is and I haven't got to that yet is that I I've had I've got a 20-year history with bulimia and body dysmorphia and I've seen numerous counsellors I've had all been in today's centres and everything um so I'm not binging and purging anymore since I increased calories so that's a major bonus um I just I'm sort of I'm stuck in a rut now I don't feel like I've got the body I really want I did send you the photographs um I just feel like I've got bigger I gained some muscle I just feel like my fat's got a lot higher I don't like what I see in the mirror um my dresses have all got tight I have to stand on stage in front of people it's it's making me lose a bit of confidence I had some lady come up poke me in the belly told me I put on weight knocked me back I did pull my eyes out over that I have to be honest but I didn't I woke up next day and thought don't let it stop me from what I'm trying to do I've got so far I can't go back on this now so I just kept with it that was um that was in November last year um I'm 47 I'm a mother of two boys um I've I've um worked with a coach previously this is 21 22 and she reverse dieted me from 15 to 21 in calories I got leaner at that point so that's what led me on to training to be a nutrition coach myself I wanted to help people get out of their own heads over this and try and feel better about themselves so I really tried to do something positive off the back of it and generally help people to feel better about themselves so I'm also doing that as a sideline as well I just seem to be able to help people better than I can help myself but I am dealing with a lot of reverse diet clients and they all hate me for it because I'm having to trust me but I just feel like I can't trust myself so I'm a bit stuck I just would appreciate your guidance and where I'm supposed to go with this should I keep with the cut this reduced calorie should I go on a different program I think I've covered most of stuff anyway so over to you guys you're doing so good Karen you're doing so good so many wins yes you're doing so good you gotta recognize all those so many wins yeah so many wins strength yeah you're not you're not purging i know where your calories are at the highest they've been probably in years or ever your pictures look yeah you look great you're doing great you're feeling better yeah yeah the enemy the battle is in your mind yeah the battle is all in your mind and you've dealt with this for 20 years it's going to take some time yeah and it's going to keep coming after you and um you know i think you're moving in the right direction it's going to be difficult some of the things that can help you with this um is to let go a little bit of the control and i know that's where it stems from yeah so control can look like um restricting it can look like purging it could also look like counting macros and weighing myself and testing my body fat and analyzing my workouts uh it can look like all those things and so the path the path forward is letting go uh of control that's easier said than done and so you got to let go one piece at a time and then make peace with it and be okay and i'm really sorry that somebody came up to you and said yeah what they said but i want to remind you uh that your value, you're a valuable person.

1:10:52What someone else, a random person says to you, it doesn't matter. This is my job. This is what I don't, people don't come up. They do come up and say, you know, great singing, but the majority of it is, oh, you, you know, why have you changed your hair? Why have you done, you know, why don't you wear that dress? You know, and it's just, it can, I'm very good at faking stuff. I'm really great at that. I've got this mask on, but it's hard. It slips. It's hard to put yourself. yeah on stage to yeah to put yourself on stage like that with that with especially when you're challenged with this is extremely difficult so also keep in mind this the so when we're when we're reverse dieting and we're building muscle and we're building metabolism it doesn't work in this like perfect linear like just leaning out and just speeding up the metabolism so what'll happen sometimes is which because the fact by the way too i'm uh not only am i impressed with you I'm very impressed with our team.

1:11:46The fact that you talked to six different people and they were all giving you great advice. Lucky guys. I know. They were all different and they were all giving you the right advice along the way, which is so awesome. That makes me feel really happy about my team that they're just all on the same page. So to bounce around to that many people and everybody giving you the right advice from everything from programming to reverse dieting to the goals that Corinne gave you, I think is phenomenal. And I even think staying up at that 2 ,600 calorie would have served you and just hanging out there. just like give yourself time to acclimate to that new calorie intake build some strength after you build that strength then that metabolism starts to speed up and then you see the lean out process it doesn't always happen like what you saw from the the 1700 to 2100 calories sometimes that was you were just so malnutrition that you started to get calories your body responded with lots of muscle built a bunch of muscle and then all of a sudden you got leaner and so it's like whoa i increased calories i got leaner it doesn't always happen that way forever you'll you'll keep increasing calories and then what it will look like sometimes is you'll get to a new number like 2600 and you you put on a little bit of muscle you put on a little bit of body fat but then you kind of level out and then you're like oh i don't feel better yet but give it some time keep getting stronger keep working in the training and then all of a sudden you build a little more muscle then all of a sudden the metabolism kicks up and then all of a sudden you lean out and so it's not always like this perfect so you were doing all the right things i think you got it in your head with uh like even with your activity reducing i still would have kept your calories up there i would really really i was starting to see the changes i got to the end i love the last phase of muscle mommy the five by five you know and i got to that stage i was starting to see some and then i hit i mean christmas is crazy for me work-wise i hit january and then it started to shift back a bit and i was like oh no and that's when i panicked yeah here's your so you were in the right place you really were and this is where the coach part helps to have someone in your ear because obviously if I was talking to you on a more regular basis, I would have been like, Karen, you're good.

1:13:43Don't worry. I'm not worried about your steps coming way down and your activity coming down because we're lifting right. We're feeding the body right. And don't worry, that metabolism is going to come up and then you're going to see yourself lean out, just stay the course. So I actually think you've done really good. And honestly, you cutting back down in the calories, what might've happened was you might've pared down a little bit of muscle and that's why you saw the body fat percentage go the direction you didn't like it. yet you were actually on the right track you were actually yeah i think that's yeah you're right i think that's what's happened here i mean i wish i just stuck with it i was going to start strong you see and then i just i don't know why i just i went off and that's why i went to match 15 i don't know why i'm fine match 15 is fine too strong is it yeah they're both going to be great for you yeah here's the other thing too uh karen and what you're doing right now is you're talking about you're talking about all of this yeah don't the the what'll make things get worse is if you keep it to yourself they tend to flourish in the dark okay the insecurities the the negative changes that they they start to grow like mold in the dark and so keep talking about it the second thing is coaching other people is really helpful yeah it's really yeah i love that you're doing that because you can oh go jack you can share your story you can empathize with always empathize with other people better than yourself.

1:15:02And it's going to really help you move in the right direction. This, everything you said is a massive success story. Yeah. Right. Yeah, I just, yeah, I've done it. I did a teller. It's basically when I started my business a few years ago, I did a video where I told everybody about my eating disorder. And a lot of people had no clue because I always seemed like a happy, confident person. And they had no idea. Actually, I got a lot of clients out of it because they trusted me. And they were like, you weren't what we thought you were. and it was you know so i i that's what i'm not in it for the money i really am in it because i want to help people and actually i use a lot of stuff that you talk about is what i preach to them so i'm very grateful to you guys i really am i mean my husband's fed up we'll be talking about you all the time but you know you know it's very helpful information it's really changed my life so i i'm just i'm doubting everything at the moment yeah you're doing great it's a challenge And let me remind you, a trainer, what makes you effective is your ability to connect with other people.

1:16:03And that comes from us exposing our own challenges and weaknesses. When a client looks at you and thinks that you've got it all put together, it's so much harder to coach them. And it's also a lie. I've never met a single trainer in my life that's got it all together. It just doesn't exist. Karen, you mentioned that you came off the testosterone. When did you come off the testosterone, too? Just curious. Oh, God. This was during Muscle Mummy. So this is like at least a couple of months or so ago. It's just hell of a year. You can adjust the dose. You can also look at lowering DHT. Sometimes they'll prescribe something else with it.

1:16:39Or stay out of it if you feel good. Testosterone and thyroid are the aesthetic hormones. So those are the ones that tend to help. This is the reason why I'm bringing it up and why I was curious about that. Because if we reduce calories, we dropped off the testosterone. that right there will could result in that, that muscle loss that you felt. Yeah. So all of a sudden you cut back the calories. Now the body is not getting as much testosterone. The testosterone helps you build muscle. Obviously you need the nutrients to build the muscle. The combination of the two of those could also, so I had this feeling that when you were right around 2 ,600 calories, you were humming along just right.

1:17:18Then got in your head a little bit, pulled back the calories, took off the testosterone then get a body fat test and you go oh shit this is not what i want when it's like you were actually probably doing really good yeah yeah i i did change my progesterone as well i took i had my marina because i wasn't sleeping very well and i know it's the marina so i had that taken out and then it pushed the gp out to put me on body identical you see um so i don't know if that's made a little bit of a difference but i'm i'm very up on my hormones you see i've done calls and stuff and it's so but i did my rgps are a nightmare over here they're so scared of it all so it's just it's a fight it's a real fight with it all progesterone is great for anxiety great for feeling calm great for sleep testosterone is the aesthetic hormone so is thyroid uh so you can always talk to them say hey can i try a lower dose of the testosterone uh yeah if you're feeling like you're getting too many of the of those other side effects or if you feel good you know stay off i think the biggest impact is is is going to be diet exercise and lifestyle and you're doing great you're doing really yeah strength gains that you were you were talking about phenomenal yeah oh that's good then you're doing good thank you thank you so much i really appreciate it um do you think that because i've got about three weeks of 15 left um do i go on to strong because i didn't want to do it in less calories i want i love that next no bump your calories kind of strong yep i love yeah okay that's what i was wondering so i just want to check that's the right place to go with it so can you call us back i want to talk to you again a few months yeah oh okay let's do it now you've got me that's right stay on top of you you're doing stay with it you're doing good i'd appreciate that that's really kind thank you so much guys you really made my day thank you take care yeah yeah see you boy that's a sweetheart what a success story but i also i just feel that in my heart you know that's just a challenge and that struggle and then that person who went up to her and made that one comment which for someone like her you're just so crushing well i mean talk about uh um you know you ever i feel like a lot of people uh battle with some sort of body dysmorphia but to to battle with that and then also be the type of person who puts yourself on stage where others are going to look at you yeah and constantly absolutely i mean talk about a a really tough place to be yeah because i she can't win she gets lean and muscular she's going to get negative comments she gets you You know, changes, like she said, change your hair color.

1:19:39She's going to get caught. Like, no matter what, you get judged in comments. And so. Anytime you're on stage, it's like that. And you've also got to remember, just for people who do this, like, the love you get from, or hate that you get from your fans, it's not real. It's really not. It's not the same as, like, somebody who actually knows you. I really think she was doing really good. Crushing. And I think that the. I'm so, you're a great comment. Our team was really. I know. I was like, I was a little nervous because she's like, I got her, Kyle, Corrine. She literally talked to like five or six of our trainers, but everybody gave great advice.

1:20:12That is difficult to do, by the way. You find three trainers in the same gym. Even the three of us, if we get the one person asking. We'll have a little bit different ideas. Right, exactly. To stay aligned, that's kind of tough. You know what I'm saying? So that's awesome that everybody was right on the right direction for her. Our next caller is Shayla from Connecticut. Hi, Shayla. How you doing, Shayla? Hi, nice to meet you all. I'm so excited to be talking to you today. Yeah, same here. How can we help you? So I will go ahead and read off my question. My name is Shayla, and I am a 21-year-old college student, and I've been lifting for about three years now.

1:20:49I wanted to call in because the last few months, I've been struggling with recovering from an injury. In September, I started experiencing sciatic pain that was primarily in my lower back and radiated down my leg on the right side of my body. and I started going to physical therapy and she told me that I have SI joint dysfunction and then I started doing rehab after that and then slowly reintroduced lifting again and I got to be pain-free for a little bit and then recently since the past week or so I started experiencing pain again in my lower back and then what I believe is in my piriformis muscle because exercises like cat and cow in 1990s they cause pain in my lower back and right foot.

1:21:34Additionally, since my initial injury, I've been experiencing spasm-like sensations in my right foot when I walk for extended periods of time. It's like a tingling and kind of like numb sensation. And my toes kind of curl up as I'm walking. And then for a little more context, I'm 5 '4", about 145 pounds. I eat around 2 ,300 calories a day. I consistently hit my 150 gram protein goal through mostly whole foods and I averaged 13 to 15 ,000 steps a day. Essentially, I wanted to ask what program or training routine is best for me as someone whose goal is to build muscle and stay injury free with my past issues in mind.

1:22:18Yeah, thanks for calling in. So okay, so here's sometimes what happens with physical therapy. Okay. So SI joint dysfunction common. It's actually quite common. Pariformis syndrome, quite common sciatica pain as a result. And did they explain all this to you? Like kind of how the pariformis muscle sits on the sciatic nerve presses on it. Did you, they, they explained it to you. Okay, good. Yeah. Yeah. Cause you know, if you have SI joint dysfunction, then you've got a lot of muscles trying to stabilize one of them being the pariformis. And if you get that sciatica a nerve pressed on long enough, it can cause tingling, numbness.

1:22:56It can cause heat and it can go down all the way down the leg. Usually it's in the back of the leg, but sometimes it can go down as low as what you mentioned down to your foot. So it's all kind of related. Now here's what happens sometimes with PT is we'll rehab something until it's good enough, but not good enough to go back to heavy training, bilateral movements, squats, deadlifts, you know that kind of stuff um what what movements do you think bothered it was it a deadlift was it a squat were you doing what were you doing also quick question too are you an athlete at all or do anything else outside of this training just curious um i usually typically i run a half marathon i've been doing that for the past three years i'll run one a year and then i'm a group fitness instructor so i do that i run about four to five classes a week at school so that's kind I'm glad you asked.

1:23:50This is why I asked. There's other stuff normally probably alluding or leading to a lot of this stuff too. Yeah. Yeah. So how did you hurt? Reheard it. What were you doing? So the day before I started experiencing the original sciatic pain, I did a lower body day. And in that day I did hip thrusts, Bulgarians, I did Romanian bedlift. And I think it was probably the hip thrusts because I typically do machine hip thrusts and that day I did barbell and that after the first exercise of doing that it initially started to feel like a little bit sore but not like super concerning and then the next day is when the concerning pain started.

1:24:29Are you uh are you okay with reducing the group x teaching or is that how you're you're are you getting paid to do that is that part is that your job through college? I am but I did scale back on that so during my original injury. I was teaching, um, I think six classes a week and most of them were more instruction based where I was doing the exercises with them. However, I started doing more coaching style. So I'm not necessarily doing the exercise. I'm just kind of walking around the room. So I've definitely scaled that back. Much better. So, so it's going to take longer than you think to get you back to a place where you go back to your, your lifting.

1:25:05So once you feel better, that doesn't mean you're done then you start to work on changing recruitment patterns yeah and strengthening um i think uh right now a maps 15 performance protocol would be good which is going to feel like a lot less than what you're probably used to it's two lifts a day um okay and and i want you to do that in combination with the correctional exercise that you got from pt how are you still doing those yes i am okay good and are you foam rolling your piriformis and all that stuff before you train yes i started doing i wasn't doing that recently but in the last week or so since i started having that pain yeah yeah actually what about symmetry 15 only because oh yeah i think that some unilateral emphasis will do you well especially to you know get that stability again i think around the hips especially like single leg type work is really going to go far yeah i like that i forgot we had that symmetry 15 would be good and keep the intensity moderate for like three months the the pt work that you they have you doing should be the the bedrock and the foundation of the of the movement stuff that you do and then the only bit of strength training you do is map 15 symmetry all the other like running classes that stuff is only going to exacerbate this this issue until we get really strong and stable in the hips um going back to all that stuff is just going to even when you start to feel good there's gonna come a point where you're like oh i feel good if you go right back to all that stuff it's gonna happen again you're like you're not you're a very active person uh so you should that this should just become a part of your movement you get down you do all these movements that your pt had you do uh on a very regular basis absolutely before you do any sort of exercise or classes or so that it should be a part of it but doing it as much as you possibly can.

1:26:59And then strength training, all you really need is like two exercises in a workout. That's it. Perform very slow and controlled. So that's the other thing too, is to, if we're trying to strengthen these patterns, we're really trying to be hyper aware of what's taking you out of that pattern. And so, you know, when you start feeling lateral forces, rotational forces taking you in a certain direction, you want to be able to correct real time and really slow down and be effective in that movement. So just to put it very simple, right, and simply, what you're trying to do is create a new default muscle recruitment pattern.

1:27:36And that takes a little longer than people think. And so what happens is you can start to train it and start to feel better, but when you push the intensity, the old default kicks back in. Because it's a stronger program still. Now, I want to encourage you, this is a very fixable issue. Yes. Very, very. It becomes chronic in people because they do this thing where they make it feel better, and then they go back, and they push a little bit, and then it hurts again, and then it's on and off, on and off, on and off, on and off, and eventually people are like, I don't want to work out anymore. Plus, you're still going to progress with strength and aesthetic goals, so don't be discouraged by that while you're addressing this.

1:28:13It's just this is what we need to address and really sharpen our mechanics. And this is why running classes, any sort of high-intensity type stuff is the enemy here because it's like to Sal's point, as soon as you get going and you increase intensity and you do a lot of stuff, you're going to go to the default pattern. We really need to slow down the training and exercise, really put a lot of work in the corrective. So again, that's why the foundation is the corrective work. That is your, you don't miss that. You do that all the time. And then when you sprinkle in strength training, it looks like a 15 protocol.

1:28:45And then avoid this. Otherwise, every time you go to these long runs or intense type classes or lots of like fast type movements, you're going to go to the default pattern. You're going to slow everything down. It'll just automatically, as soon as fatigue kicks in or lots of intensity and struggle kicks in, your body's better at the old default pattern. It'll just go right to it. And then that's what causes. So, you know, you want to give yourself a good, probably three months at least of training this way before you start to slowly scale up to see how you feel. Okay, will that take, will the max 15 take me through that three months?

1:29:19It was about three months long. And then, honestly, after scaling up to me, it would look like going to symmetry as a whole program. So eventually, so MAPS 15 symmetry right now with all the corrective work we're talking about. And then as you start to get strong, feel better, and if you want to do more strength training, it would look like MAPS symmetry, the full program, is what I would go to. So that would serve you the best. Perfect. Yes. There you go. Are you in like a health-related field? What are you studying? um i am studying health sciences and then i'm assigned to my master's in speech language psychology cool i had a feeling you were going to be in the health field awesome well good deal so we'll send you we're going to send you symmetry 15 follow that okay thank you so much you got it all right thank you yeah the whole default the the recruitment pattern thing i knew she was doing other stuff yeah good question um uh the default pattern stuff it's it's hard for people to understand but um you when you're i like to use the the analogy on a keyboard right if you type with two fingers all the time and then you try to learn how to type properly you're going to be slower with the proper technique for a while so in other words if i'm practicing the proper way and then someone holds a gun to my head and says go as fast as you can i'm going to go back to my old way because i'm better at it even though it's not as effective uh ultimately this is what happens so when you have a default pattern it's like basically it kicks in when you're tired and it kicks in when you're when the intensity's high so that's why this like this process has to be very deliberate you have to be careful with the intensity i'm so glad that you brought up how common si joint dysfunction and sciatica is because it was like 30 percent of my clients so many in fact this is uh i mean we talk about the challenges as trainers that we had one of the challenges always as a trainer especially as a young trainer was when i got a client who'd be like oh i can't do that because i have sciatica I have sciatic issues.

1:31:11And it's like, you know we can fix that, right? It's like, you know that's not like, you're not like plagued with this. It's so fixable. It's so fixable. And it's so common. But people continued. And the reason why they don't believe it is because they do something, they feel a little bit better, they go through their physical therapy to the point you're making. Then they go right back to their old shit. And it comes back. And then they're like. So they've had it for years. So it's like, I got bad knees. I got bad hips. I got bad shoulders. I have sciatica. It's like, no, we can fix these things.

1:31:39We have bad patterns. Exactly. We can fix all these things and understand, but what you've done in the past is not fixing it, and so we need to change some of those behaviors. We need to change some of those patterns, and we can solve this. Of all of the issues that I would encounter with clients, the common ones, shoulder pain, back pain, knee pain, sciatic pain, SI joint pain. All fixable. The sciatica and SI joint pain was the most guaranteed. Most direct. It was the most like, oh, cool. You got that? I didn't know what to do. Yeah, give me a couple months. It'll be gone. Our next caller is Kyle from British Columbia.

1:32:11Hey, what's up, Kyle? What's happening? Hey, guys. What a trip this is to see you guys and actually be talking to you. Just listening to you guys this morning. This is great. How can we help you, man? All right. Well, before I begin, I just want to thank you again for this opportunity. And I just want to thank you personally for saving podcasts. Don't get me wrong. I love health science and studies and all that. But you guys are rare in the case where you make it relatable. And honestly, I feel that's the best way to help people. So just want to get that. Appreciate that. Thank you. Yeah. Awesome.

1:32:43Now, regarding my question, I have it written out here just so I don't ramble. I tend to do that. So I'll try to stay on point here, but I'll summarize my question and just kind of fill you in on my backstory, just so you have my current situation just for context and all that. Okay. So simply put, it's my 35th birthday this week. and as always I'm looking to upgrade my life and health in any way I can each year and I've learned that without health life basically sucks so the more you can improve that especially the older I get the better. So I feel like I've kind of reached a training midlife crisis in a way to put it I'm looking for some enlightenment on how to continue here and just move on to a new chapter into my fitness.

1:33:31I'm trying to kind of overcome a plateau and just try to adapt a new way of training. I also have one semi-unique lifestyle factor that I'm trying to learn how to turn that challenge into an annual benefit here. So in terms of my backstory here, you can feel free to tell me to shut up at any point, but I'll just try to fill you in here. All right. So I began my life in a state of poor health and obesity, unfortunately. And that was about the age of 10 or 11. And at that point, I remember, I still remember to this day, I was looking at the scale and it reached 200 pounds. And I was like, man, once I reached 200 pounds, I got to do something.

1:34:16And then it kind of continued and I reached 210 pounds. Then I was like, okay, that in combination with, of course, being a kid, you have that motivation of the bullies and all that stuff, right? So it was time to make a change. And being a young kid, I honestly had no education, like no knowledge of what to do. So I remember starting my workouts, I do just like 10 bodyweight squats at night, I'd be like tired, like, okay, that's my start. That's that's the go for it. So that was that. And in terms of diet, I really had no idea. So after seeing zero progress after a bit, I was still motivated to change.

1:34:54So I read one, the first book I found on the subject, which basically just told me to eat real food and it gave me a basic weight training program so I started that and that was really hard even just changing food going from Oreos to an apple took me like two weeks I just spat out the apple I couldn't it just didn't taste like it wasn't sweet enough right so I was going through that transformation and about two years of following that um I yeah two years of following that I continued to lose weight I ended up losing about 50 pounds I I reached down to about 160 170 um and I basically maintained that until my early 30s and I still didn't really know what I was doing and um looking back on all this it really just like I didn't really notice the transformations um like physically as they developed I was more focused on the mental aspects I realized that like my mental health got so much better and that's kind of why I continued and um so I just kept doing that but I was strictly kind of more cardio based until my early 30s really and it came to another point where my wife was pointing out she's like, Kyle, you work out every day, but you look so weak, you know, like you're weak, you're skinnier than the other dudes.

1:36:19And I was like, oh man, that's, that's kind of something. And I was like, yeah, I guess so. And that's when I started getting into the weight training. So I found you guys and I started listening. I ended up getting map split and I started adapting that I gave into, I was like, okay, I'm just going to go to the gym. I'm going to start lifting weights finally. And within a year of doing that I honestly I gained like 10 pounds which I imagine is muscle like I didn't gain fat I was mostly muscle there and I really started to notice the for the first time a difference and that was just like basic weight training like the split program there and I just absolutely love that that method of training since then my wife has noticed a difference as well and now she started weight training as well which is great I got her maps 15 for Christmas and it's kind of like getting her there we just got the kids at home now so um that really works well so I actually stopped going to the gym we work out at home now I invested in some weights here um and at this point yeah like I'm just really looking for like I've done the split style and I feel like I'm still getting stronger but at the same time I haven't really been seeing much progress lately.

1:37:33I'm starting to kind of feel like I'm peaking, like I'm adding a little bit of weight here and there, but I hear you guys talking about like changing things up throughout the year or adding different kind of dynamic movements or ways to go about it. I'm just curious from someone who like given my training background so far and just following the split style. If there's anything I could be doing to really help, I want to get a little bit stronger still and kind of just overcome this and move on to a new chapter of strength building. Basically, the answer is actually really easy. Doing it might be the challenging part because it's going to be related to nutrition.

1:38:19And so you probably are due for a reverse diet where we start to actually add calories. You've got the newbie gains from lifting weights and you've put on some good muscle and you're probably feeling like you've kind of peaked out a little bit because you've peaked out for the amount of calories and nutrition you're giving the body. And the body will, if you give it more and continue following MAPS programs, you can follow any of the ones that you want to. I mean, they're all going to be great and you're going to respond well to all of them since it's all pretty novel to you. But you probably need to increase calories.

1:38:55Any idea on what your calorie intake is right now? Have you ever tracked before? To be honest, I haven't tracked too closely. I went through about a month where I tried it. And I would, my best guess would be around like 23. But this, I'm glad you brought up nutrition because I honestly feel like that's my biggest downfall at this point. I just started focusing more on protein, but I feel like a reverse diet would be a good way. Cause I, I wanted to ask you guys, I have this issue where it's like, I feel like I'm eating, you know, an appropriate amount, but there's like, like twice a week. I just feel like I have this insatiable appetite where it just like bring on more and more.

1:39:41And it's like, that's your, that's your, that's your body telling you it wants more to go build more. Cause you're doing the right things by lifting. You're doing a good lifting program. You're sending the signal to the body. it needs more muscle your body's going we need more nutrients and so that that feeling you have is a natural good feeling and it's the body telling you we need more material to go build you more muscle. Kyle when you um do you you because you talked about working out as a 10 year old um and you know bullying and being overweight do you do you have a fear of getting fat or overweight?

1:40:16To be honest, it's been in my mind. Yes. I like for me personally, once I lost the weight, it's just like, there's two sides of it really. It's like the one side is once I started to lose the weight and develop my consistent exercise, just mentally at that point in my life, I had a lot of just like depression, anxiety and stuff like that. So So that honestly just like disappeared. I felt super optimistic. Like once I started the exercise, I know there's brain benefits and all that. It made a huge change. So I'm I'm scared of losing that. But at the same time, I noticed that people treated me different after, you know, like after I made my transformation.

1:40:58And I just I fear in a way that if I because I got that through consistency and all that stuff, I feel like if I backtrack on that in any way, or just kind of deviate. I just, I don't know. I just grew up having like, you know, I was, I was treated poorly because of that. So it's definitely in my mind. I'll let you know something. Okay. The respect, sometimes we associate how we look with the change in the way people treat us. But what's deeper than that is you're a doer and a go-getter. By the way, that's where you get a lot of the mental health benefits. Yes, there's physiological changes that we can measure.

1:41:35but if I induce physiological changes with medications, you don't get the same benefit. We know this on the data. The data shows us quite clearly where, where a lot of it comes from is you're a kid, you want to make a change. And so you just, you just start working at it and then it starts to work. And so you build that muscle of discipline and skill. And then the confidence comes from that. Exudes. And that's what people kind of see. And that's what earns the respect. So it had more to do with that. So I just want to let you know that I knew, I could feel that there's that underlying fear of, oh, what if I become that, you know, what if I just gain tons of body fat type of deal?

1:42:13Your body definitely needs more calories. So guide your size. That would aim for 200 grams of protein a day. So you're looking at four meals with 50 grams of protein. Whole foods. Don't cut anything out. Have some carbs in there. And that should guide you. And then workout-wise, split is a lot of volume. And it's amazing that you gain muscle, which tells me that you were a bit depleted going into it. And so you just started to feed yourself and not maybe burn yourself out. But MAPS anabolic plus an increase in calories and hitting your protein, you'll build another 10 pounds. You'll gain another 10 pounds of muscle.

1:42:47Oh, yeah. No problem. No problem. But MAPS anabolic is less volume. You're not going to be working out six days a week. You'll be lifting three days a week. That rest recovery is really where the magic is. You're going to find that, especially if you start replenishing your body with nutrients on top of that, everything is just going to accelerate. Are you, are you doing anything else? You haven't told us too, as far as exercise, are you, are you running too? Uh, no, actually I'm, I'm going for daily walks. Um, yeah, that's all good. I just want to make sure. Cause yeah. Maps anabolic 50 grams of protein, four meals a day, have other stuff in the meals and your strength is going to go through the roof and you're going to gain another 10 pounds of muscle.

1:43:28No problem. them yeah if you gain 10 pounds of muscle on split yeah 10 on anabolic it's pretty crazy yeah yeah because split is too much volume for most people that's a bodybuilder routine uh where everything is like so anabolic bump your calories 200 grams of protein a day if you hit that every single day with whole natural foods you're gonna have to you have to chase it i'll tell you that much because it's not easy like 200 grams of protein doesn't happen on accident so you have have to like really go for it and your strength can explode your squat your deadlift your bench your overhead press your rows then you follow that up with power lift it's going to go through the roof definitely don't allow yourself to be hungry right when you feel that hunger signal kick up just go eat a full meal that's that's 40 grams of protein that like if you just that's a simple way to handle this is like if you're not good on tracking or you don't like tracking it's like you're hungry go eat and go eat a meal that has 40 50 grams of protein in it and and just listen to your body but you may you may actually feel like you're overeating yeah i don't take it because you're so used to under eating uh so that's why i'm saying uh 50 grams of protein four times a day with food and so what you want to do is this you don't have to track and weigh everything but you get a get a good idea what that looks like okay that's eight ounces of meat okay now i know what it looks like that's what i'm aiming for whether it's chicken steak fish uh that's what it looks like you know eight you know 50 grams of protein for eggs uh what is that That's seven eggs, eight eggs or something like that, nine eggs.

1:44:55So just get an idea of what that looks like and then eat that four times a day. Follow MAPS anabolic. If you're getting stronger, you're moving in the right direction. And your wife's going to trip out. She's like, what's going on? Right on. Over the whole thing. Yeah, yeah. For sure. And all the mental and the other positive, you're going to see all kinds of benefits. More. Yeah. Energy will go up. Strength will go up. Libido will go up. You'll probably sleep better. You'll see all kinds of other positive benefits. So more to come, buddy. excellent that's really exciting to hear and um yeah it sounds like it's kind of solving my issues there in the back of my mind so i really appreciate that guys yeah can we have you back on in a few months i want to see what happens in three months oh boy i'm i'm now i'm even more excited i got a path here and some follow-up i dig that um yeah for sure i'd love to i'm gonna i'm gonna anabolic the heck out of this next couple months here and uh yeah i'll be pounding those eggs yeah love it track the weights because I can't wait to see the strength game.

1:45:51I'm excited. Phase one in particular, you're going to love. Right on guys. May I just bug you on one more quick question? Yeah. Okay. Um, so I have one kind of unique thing I'm trying to, as I'm thinking ahead in life, uh, just like in training and stuff. And my wife and I were in a really good routine now. Um, but there's one mix up that kind of makes it a bit challenging throughout the year is every year we go, we visit our family out in Japan for about two months and I have all my weights out here. I've got nothing out there. I've collected a kettlebell last time I was there, but like in terms of the year, would you use that as an advantage to like, is there a way to train if you have minimal, like just, okay.

1:46:34So map suspension, that's our program that you use a suspension trainer and you can pack that in your suitcase and that's your workout for the two months or over there. I want you to know, though, Kyle, you do a good job of reverse dieting and hitting anabolic consistently. That was two weeks? No, it was two months. Oh, it's two months you're out there. Yeah. Okay, so two months you're out there. So, yeah, MAPS suspension will be perfect. Yeah, you just follow that. It'll preserve everything you've built. Yeah. So, we'll send you MAPS anabolic, and I'll send you a code for MAPS suspension if you want to get that now ahead of time.

1:47:04And that program is easy. Literally, all you need is a suspension trainer. Yeah. Fits in your suitcase. Super convenient. As long as you have a doorway or a tree or something, you're good. Excellent. Well, I'll definitely find one of those. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Yeah. We got you. Awesome. I'm, I'm, oh, this is so exciting. Yeah. I'm going to, yeah. I'll see if my wife wants to join me too. Oh yeah. It'll be great for both of you. Yeah. It'd be great for both of you guys. We'll talk to you in a few months. Right on. Well, thanks again, guys. Really appreciate it. Love the podcast. And yeah, Doug, you do an awesome job too.

1:47:35I know you're in there somewhere. So yeah. All the best to you guys. I speak Japanese too, by the way. Yeah. Oh, excellent. right on guys alright take it easy Kyle yeah thank you so much thanks it was two months I thought you said two no two months oh okay I was gonna say he'll need something some plan yeah dude so with I knew right away just for people listening if you never strength train and you gain 10 pounds of muscle and the first program you do is split split's a great program but it's too much volume for most people especially as a beginner and so he's he gained that because that's incredible he strength trained and finally fed himself a little bit and stop doing so much cardio.

1:48:14Yeah. You know, but MAPS anabolic, if he gained 10 on split, he would have gained 15 to 18 on MAPS anabolic. There's so much more potential for him. Oh, I think he's going to gain every bit of that. I mean, if he can eat. The hardest part. You're right. So, like, the answer, like I said, was easy. The hard part will be the mental block. That's right. Of, like, you know, you don't want to go back. He has some reserves, for sure. But he, yeah, he has so much potential. The other thing, too, is just so crazy how your childhood just, it just, man, it just forms you and shapes you. Navigates you. You deal with it for the rest of your life, you know?

1:48:41But I'm glad he called us. Our next caller is Chris from South Carolina. What's up, Chris? What's up, Chris? Hey, how are you guys? Adam, Justin, Sal, and Doug. It's been a long time. I've been watching since probably 2016 or so. Wow. Hey. Wow, dude. You're like family then. Yeah, man. How can I help you, dude? One of the originals, I'd like to say. Yeah. All right. I'm just going to jump right into it. I'm not a huge talker, so I'm just going to read it right off here. Listened to the show for years. I've bought many of your guys' programs. I've jumped in and out of them. I'm really struggling.

1:49:14I've yo-yo dieted my entire life, gaining lost weight. My heaviest before I enlisted in the military was 305 pounds, and then I've gotten all the way down to 182 pounds. I've lived in between that for the past 15 years. My biggest struggle right now is staying compliant with military height and weight standards. They're very stringent when it comes to a number versus a height It's currently up for review though So they're going away from Right now we do a neck to waist circumference value in the Marines But the whole Department of Defense or Department of War Is going to a height to waist ratio Which will lend a little bit better to me I'm six foot But 36 years old, I'm pretty run down.

1:50:08Military has not been kind. Separated my shoulder. I've had compartment syndrome. I have severe osteoarthritis in both knees. Then IED explosion. List goes on and on. Most recently, I've dealt with a Morton Aroma in my foot. And that plus the arthritis has really slowed me down. I understand this is like very broad. we do two different PT tests a year one is more endurance based pull ups plank and a three mile run the other one is more quick quick type stuff more up Justin's alley I'm open to any suggestions you guys have I just want to get programming because like I said bought tons of your guys stuff but it's always like it's either weight lifting or endurance and I've not ever learned the healthy cycle of both of them.

1:51:04I really want to be happy and healthy. Sitting right at 250 pounds at six foot right now. Definitely not in a good shape that I've been in in my life. I've hired coaches before. I went with the dumb ones online, crush it, kill it, cut me down to 1200 calories. And that's what I've been at. One thing to maintain those height and weight standards. I have, uh, crash dieted and fasted. No, you guys are at me for it. Uh, don't fast for fat, uh, fat loss doesn't work in the long run, but you know, I've, I've powered through my, uh, I've done probably two, three weeks where I wouldn't eat just to, uh, be within standards.

1:51:50So really just throwing it out to you guys. I know that's like way all over the place, but I appreciate it. I know exactly what, what to do with someone like you, but first off, Thanks for your service. Thanks for the support. You know, it's what I do. Listen, your discipline is your strength, but it's also your weakness because you have the ability to turn it on or turn it off. And so this tends to be what you do, right? You're like, okay, I got to make it happen. And to hell with the pain, to hell with the hunger, and I'm just going to make it happen. That button, we need to stop hitting it, though.

1:52:23It's not working for you anymore. It's caused injuries, and you're probably tired. It sounds like you're tired of it. you're tired of that on off type of deal. It would be real nice. Like even, even the joint, like I told you before I was 300 pounds. I did the, uh, the machinist diet can of tuna and apple a day to lose 60 pounds in a month. You know, I was all about it. I'm still all about it. You know, it's like, listen, listen, listen, dude, you can do it. If you, and you, and you, I'm sure you do. You're probably very coachable. You just need the right coach. You need the right coach. Like you're so, that would be the hope.

1:52:57You're so coachable that I could be a crappy coach and you'll do what I say and you'll just follow. Which is what I did. You need a good coach. You need somebody who knows what they're doing, who's going to get you out of this cycle, prevent the injury, get you healthy, get you fit, and get you in a place where you don't do the cycling up and down anymore. That's what you need. I could give you the advice right now, but it's a hard cycle to break because you've been living here for a long time. I mean, how long have you been doing this up and down? I'm going on 15 years this year. Yeah, this is like part of who you are.

1:53:33So pretty much. Yeah, you need the right coach, dude, because I could give you the advice right now. But this this mentality that you have is what we need to work on steps. It's going to take time. It's going to take months of work and you're going to want to go harder. So what's going to happen? Well, you know, if I give you advice, coach a little bit, but I turn it up. I'm like, no, dude. And you're going to need me in your ear kind of helping you through the process. and then at some point you'll see that it feels good and it's working then you'll start to trust the process and then you'll develop a different uh behavior different behaviors around different relationship and relationship with all that stuff if we don't uh if you don't have the right coach you're gonna you're gonna be stuck here for a while it's gonna be really hard i mean i've heard it i've heard it from you guys time and time again it's like i've always done it not to uh not with any help or anything, just with me.

1:54:20Like I'm waiting for that. Like, Oh, this is actually working. And I've never had that feeling. Yeah, no, I get it, dude. And what's, what's hard. You can though. You can. Totally. And what's hard with someone like you, I'll just tell you the challenge. Cause I've worked with people like you before. The challenge is when we're doing things right, I'm fighting you to not do too much. Yeah. That's the constant conversation. Yeah. Is you gonna be like, that's not enough. And I'll be like, dude, chill. This is funny. We're moving in the right direction. and a lot of this is diet and the other side of it is the over application of intensity uh but the hard part's probably the diet that's going to be the harder part that's typically the harder part the intensity part we can work with uh and there's gonna be times you have to turn it up anyway because you are in the military and that's totally fine but the idea is to keep your joints healthy having you feel good uh be generally fit um so that you can turn it up when you need to not hurt yourself or drive yourself into the ground.

1:55:15Diet-wise, it's going to be difficult because it's not going to be this extreme. The reason why the diet part's hard is because we want you in a Goldilocks zone where there's not a lot of movement on the scale and that mentally messes with people like yourself who have the ability to lose 30 pounds in 30 days because you've been able to do that before. When you're coaching someone like you and you're like, listen, you're right where I want you calorie-wise. You're right where I'm at, what we're doing. You're going like, it's not moving. we're not moving and then that's the part we'll wrestle with going through this process and and then you just got to kind of surrender you got to surrender that to somebody you trust uh to kind of guide you through that process and then the light bulb goes off because then at one point you'll see it you'll feel it and you'll go like shit this is the easiest effort i've ever put towards this and i'm at where and that and then you then you'll have this unlock but it's the the coaching to get there and the hand holding to get there of like just trust the process i got you i got you let me lead you let me lead you and then all of a sudden the switch hits and you're like oh wow this is a trip that i feel like i'm trying a quarter of what i've tried in the past yet i feel better i'm stronger i'm fitter all the things and then that becomes sustainable the guide sustainable the advice you'll get is you've listened to the show for a long time so you're not going to hear anything that's going to blow your mind you're like well yeah i know i should do that I know I should hit my protein.

1:56:35Okay, yes, I need a reverse diet. I need to strength train. I need to work on mobility. I need to not overdo it. I need to focus on sleep. You're going to hear all the stuff that you've heard us say on the podcast. The key, though, the kicker is the guidance, the coaching throughout the process. Offload it. That's it. Yeah. We need to offload this somebody trustworthy that you know has your best interest in mind. If you're open to working with a coach, if that's feasible for you, I'll have our guy call you and set you up. But the advice you're going to get isn't going to be like revolutionary.

1:57:07And I'm like, oh my God, I never heard that before. You'll be like, okay, that makes sense. And then you're going to check in with him constantly and keep open communication. Like, hey man, I feel like I got to do more or I feel like I'm eating too much or it's not moving fast enough. And then just keep working with the coach. And it'll take, it'll take a few months, but in a few months you'll be sold. In a few months you'll be like, okay, this works. I'm like I'm 100 % open to it like I said I'm 36 years old and like that's not old but I feel old bro you're 36 with a lot of you know a lot of hardcore mileage crazy stuff to your body yeah dude we'll fix it though Chris we'll fix it yeah I'm 100 % open to it and as long as I just want to like your dudes because like I'm tired of the crush and kill it like you see everything on Instagram like I want to work with somebody that you guys not only is that the worst that's the worst for a guy like you because you're the type of guy that will go do it you're the guy that will do it that's what makes it really bad like those guys are already bad but most people don't do it like you're the guy who's like okay i'll got you're the guy that probably gets a little excited when they're like you're working out twice a day you're gonna need 12 undercounters all right let's go horrible bro yeah you don't need david god that's the worst guys yeah we got good people we got good people uh they know exactly had to coach people the right way and very solvable.

1:58:29Very, very solvable what you're going through. We'll have them call you, Chris, and then we'll be checking in with you. And then I'd love to have you back on the show after you've gone through it so you can talk about it. Awesome. I look forward to it, guys. I appreciate everything and it's been great watching, growing up with you guys. I feel like one of the five of y 'all. You got the four and I'm the fifth guy there, you know, watching your guys' transformation over a decade. Dude, if you ever come to California, tell your coach and he'll have you come in and hang out with you. We appreciate it.

1:58:56I will. You're part of the family. Stop picking on Justin so much. I don't know. I can take it, bro. It's good for him. Justin likes it. It's good for his ego. Have a good one, yo. It gives me ammo. If we don't pick on him, he gets angry. Destroy them with later. Don't worry. Thanks, man. All right, Chris. Have a good one. See you, brother. Yeah, dude, that's the - It literally is like all or nothing. Yeah, yeah. And I've trained people like that, and the hardest part is to pull it back, dude. I know. Even in the workout, I would have clients like this. In the workout, I'm fighting. He'll run through a wall.

1:59:30In the workout, I would fight with people like this. I'd be like, okay, you're done. What do you mean? I'd keep going. The point that I was making why this is so difficult is because for 15 years, he knows that he can turn it on and drop 40 pounds overnight. To achieve the objective. Yeah, he'll just not eat. He'll have tuna and apples. He knows he's done all the crazy shit. And so when you get a guy like that and you're like, hey, this is what you want to do, and he's like three weeks in, he's like, the scale hasn't moved. I don't feel a chance. I know how to solve this. Yeah, yeah. And there's a part of him that's just like, well, this isn't better than what I've done.

2:00:01You know what I'm saying? And so you're constantly - But he feels it now. Injuries, I'm tired, I feel old, I'm beat up. He's in the right place. He's in the right place now of like, okay, surrender, let the coach take you. We'll take good care of him. That's right. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram, MindPump Media. We'll see you there. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Super Bundle at mindpumpmedia.com. The RGB Super Bundle includes MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, and MAPS Aesthetic.

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