2798: What is Good Gym Culture?

29:19Because you're watching your abs come in. You're watching your abs come in. The face and the neck is a dead giveaway. And you're watching body fat come off, but you're also losing muscle and you don't look healthy. And so when I look at those pictures and I go, oh my God, I can't believe we went and did a stupid company photo shoot on a full-on Olympic face. And that's what our fucking team uses to send out to everything. Whenever I do interviews, I'm like, why do we have those? And I remember telling Katrina. You've never done a good photo shoot. No, they all suck. Ever. That would have been okay for me if it just wasn't that.

29:49Like, I was okay with that. I mean, you guys maybe. Me never. Well, you have fart face. You don't know how to take a photo without being like you're about to fart. I don't know what to do. When you're taking a photo. You draw your chin. You guys do your little modeling classes. You just need to look away and pretend like no one's taking a photo. Just pretend like you're taking a photo. As soon as someone goes like, okay, we're taking a photo. That's not what you do when you know no one's looking at it. So you're just faking it. Yeah. No. You know what you do, bro? This is what you do. as soon as they turn the camera you bring your chin in yes yeah yeah i got it exactly you get fart face yeah you're holding a fart yeah i don't know why i look creepy my i don't know what it is but like the photo we have in the front i wouldn't trust that guy at all you look really eager it just yes whoa bro that's another level right there but i don't like it it looks creepy what will be interesting about this uh is going from this point right so that i was like lost a ton of weight.

30:43I was super low calorie, didn't have a lot of muscle, and then went and built back. So now I'm starting with more muscle than I have. You know what this highlights, too, is a couple of things. One, body fat percentage is not the be-all end-all. You're obviously healthier now, obviously, even though your body fat percentage is, according to the DEXA, 3 % higher. Two, you look better. And I've told this to clients many times. You can have a higher body fat percentage, but when it sits on muscle, you'll look good. You'll look good. Welcome to the husky Like with women, it gives them curves. With men, it makes them look strong.

31:17It's not as big of a, of course, you go too high with body fat. It doesn't matter. Yeah. But muscle changes a lot. It changes a lot when it comes to health and appearance. I am curious. For sure. You're right. I don't disagree. But this is the first time I've ever done the DEXA scan in the evening. And after a full day of eating and drinking. See how much of a difference it makes? Yeah. And then I also have the two injuries and I'm like super inflamed. My whole left arm is swollen and has been because of the injuries. And so I'm wondering if inflammation and all the food, how much of it? Now, Katrina told me before she went, she goes, you know you just hurt yourself.

31:51You're all inflamed right now. You're not going to like what you see. And I'm just like, oh, it doesn't matter. What a good wife. She was trying to set you up. Yeah, she did. And I'm like, listen, it's not no 5 % off because of inflammation. So it's still higher than what I would have liked no matter what. But it does make me wonder, because I remember how much I could manipulate the other ones. Yeah, yeah, yeah. body spec yeah the body spec which are supposed to be really accurate too and i could fluctuate those by car carving up and loading water and i can make the when are you going to do another one maybe i'll go with you so i'll go in like 30 days i'll go with you yeah yeah i'll go in like 30 days so i can because you know what i'm curious about i keep saying bone mass because i've never tested my bone mass in your dex it came back yeah bone mass you were in the 98 or 99th percentile yeah you know you all my markers are according to that are like visceral fat my my bone density my lean mass all those things were all like super positive um but i might my bone even at even uh this is what's also interesting back to the glp1 talk there there does seem to be this and i've watched this i have a friend i won't sell out the husband and wife that i know that are that both used it the husband had just came off of like bulking up and building some good muscle and then he hops on and so did his wife she wasn't lifting he looks all right because he just he lost some muscle too and so when you look at like my bone density after the the glp one it was still it was still good now i think that's because of years of lifting and building muscle and not under eating yeah and the fact that i could afford to lose 20 pounds of muscle and still be okay yeah you find bone density issues even in people who strength train who consistently starve themselves you see that all i saw it all the time typically with women because they're the ones that tend to do that?

33:32I'd see it with competitors. You have competitors, women bikini competitors that are up there winning trophies but then their bone density is extremely low because they starve themselves. They're so low calorie. And you think because they're strength training and they have kind of a shapely physique, they shouldn't be that way. But it just shows you what happened. Well, good news is your skin looks amazing, bro. It looks real young. At least you're useful looking. That's Caldera, dog. That's what that is. Yeah, yeah. I haven't stopped that. You're like super consistent. Very consistent. I see you using it in here.

34:00Every day. All the time. I use it here and home so i don't i use i use it all the time so is it the serum the the that's the one you use the most i mean i use that one and then i forget what's the what's the cream called i always forget what the name of the base layer yeah that's it yeah yeah the base layer and the serum i use the most and then the soap i use that's i only use the soap i only use their soap and i've switched to their soap i don't know how long it's been now but i use their soap and then i use the the serum and the base layer like all the time i've messed with all the other stuff i like it but i feel like the serum is i don't know if it maybe you could look but i think it has a lot of the same stuff the eye stuff has i think that they single-handedly have created a market for man skincare because i didn't see skincare stuff and now caldera labs blown up yeah i don't know any guys are using it like crazy i've never seen i mean i've i've personally never done anything where i've been able to to do it and then see a difference right yeah yeah that to me that's the selling point that's so easy it's like all the other stuff seems like come on doesn't are you are you using the soap or do you still use the shop soap, the lava?

34:59You know what I'm talking about? Irish cream. He uses the same soap for dishes. It's all the empty. Clean the counters. It's all the same stuff. The serum kind of helps repair the damage that I do with everything else. I don't really wash my face. Chester's got one soap for everything. It does the laundry, it cleans the counters, washes the car, and it washes my face. I do use shampoo, but I don't really through the whole washing face thing. That's so awesome. You have, I mean, he has this Caldera. Do you use it? Yeah. Okay. Oh, that's the green. That's the other one I've used. Yeah. I like that one.

35:34Yeah. Did you guys know what the new trend is in, what's it called? Like, not plastic surgery, but what's that whole space called? Like - Face contouring? Like cosmetic. That whole cosmetic. You know what the new trend is? No. I'm going to read it. Butt injections. Yeah. I mean, I guess, is that new? No. Yeah. No, that's what's happening. And you know what they're using? That's not new. No, like just pumping in with saline or - No. Like synthol? No. Like silicon. No, no, no. It's worse. It's worse than that. Are you shooting fat into it? They are pumping. Ready for this? Go ahead. Cadaver fat.

36:10Oh, gross. Into their boobs and butts. Oh, what? Dead people's fat into their bodies. Do they have memories? I don't know. I don't know, dude. That's what I'd be worried about. You know what I want - Hey, by the way, it says ethically sourced. Ethically sourced. How is that ethical? I'm glad you wrote that. ethical because now i'm thinking because they said they're a donor yeah like if you didn't say that i would have been okay now you said that i'm like wait a minute i just imagine them like yeah dude do you think that the average do you think the average person uh can see it the same way you guys can see it when you see someone who has something like yeah yeah to me it's a it's a dead giveaway yeah because they have no hamstrings yeah and no hamstrings look weird yeah it looks like a diaper yeah it's like a guy who has giant arms and no shoulders it doesn't it doesn't look right it looks off and so it when someone has this big fake butt and no hamstrings it's just it doesn't look right legs yeah yeah yeah like does you think everybody else can see that or do you think because we're trainers and you're used to looking at the body that show that i wanted to bring with my strange addiction there was a case this this girl had it just it becomes this addictive thing because they get attention for this one feature and then they keep going and going and going and then their friend you know and then they both start going the black market with it because it gets expensive and then they end up like it's toxic stuff they're like putting into their body and it's like it's you know causing all these health issues but they keep doing because they want to to get a certain size and i don't even think they even know what the size is they want it's you know it's perception drift you talked about this before like you start you you feel like it makes you look better but then that doesn't look good enough and so you Your perception starts to drift slowly but surely into this crazy place where you start doing weird things.

37:53Also, there was a guy on there that was in love with blow-up pool toys. What do you mean he was in love with them? That was very strange. Like love and love? My Strange Addiction. What's it on? I don't know what happened to this poor guy, but he's a very lonely guy. He bought, I don't know, it was like 20 of these huge blow-up dolls, and he has names for all of them. and he sits and talks to him. And you get this dragon one that's his favorite. He's making out with it on the couch. And I was like, Courtney walked in on me watching this. The four of us have to do this just as a funny thing. The next time we're all hanging out at Truckee together or something like that, they get a kick out of this.

38:33I would take each of our Explorer pages and each of our Netflix homepages. And compare them? And just compare them. Because I know they would look - You guys will be horrified. When you guys talk about a show, when Jeff's talking about a show, I'm like, where is that at? I've never seen that recommendation. Oh, it's a great show. it reminds me of Taboo this other show same premise there's some stuff on there that's just unbelievable neither one of those have been recognized all you would see on my Netflix is kids stuff because it's my actually no I don't even have Netflix anymore but when I did it was just all a bunch of kids cartoons and stuff I barely ever watch anything oh you don't have different profiles we just use I like weird people dude for the kids it's pretty we really don't watch it's wild I used to watch TV all the time I rarely ever watch TV anymore do you guys I'm particular about that I won't use my profile.

39:16Yeah. Oh, well, you guys. Katrina will be watching her weird shows and her girly shows. I'm like, don't be watching that on my profile. You want to mess up my recommendation? Don't watch mine. Yeah. I keep mine pure. Can I do a little confession? Comedy, sci-fi. I'm going to do a little confession to everybody in here right now. Sometimes you guys leave up your profiles. At Truckee. At Truckee. So you go watch. I look at yours and I just mess it up. And I get bored. I just click on stuff. I always know that when I start getting weird sci-fi stuff that's really recommended to me, I'm like, man, these guys are watching my shit up in Truckee right now.

39:47Justin's up there in Truckee right now watching all this sci-fi stuff on my account right now. Totally, 100%. All right, I want to talk about Vitabella. So you got to talk about this. Cat's out of the bag. Cat's out of the bag. So I don't know. Should we tell the whole story? So we worked with MPHormones.com was our link that sent people to our hormone replacement therapy and peptide company that we worked with. and that company did some bad stuff. It was not good. I'm not going to go into too much detail because there's lawsuits and stuff happening. You could Google it. But let's just say they owe a lot of people a lot of money and they did some things that were just not great.

40:27So we stopped working with them a while ago. How long has it been? That's a nice way to say it. It's been close to six months. Six months. In the meantime, and I'm going to give some credit to Adam right now. In the meantime, so it was this huge vacuum we got a huge podcast huge audience and so we just got flooded as soon as the cat as soon as people figure this out all these companies were coming to us they'll work with me work with us and we'll do this and we'll do that and they're throwing money at us and this and that and adam was i don't know how many companies you had to go through 12 13 or 15 15 companies and um and we went through and this time it was totally we had a criteria that was very specific.

41:10So the criteria was, because we had such a bad experience for what happened, it wasn't how much you guys can pay us. It was, we need something because so many of our listeners need a place to go to. It has to be reliable. They have to be super reliable and consistent. Delivery has to be quick, has to be doctor stuff. We're not going to go gray market. As much as we love some of our friends that do the gray market stuff, we're just not going to do that because you never know. It's too volatile. And it had to be consistent, clean, inexpensive. Because some of the most, some of the biggest complaints we got was the pricing from the company we work with and the fact that sometimes the delivery would take forever.

41:49So, there was also other considerations that was important. You know, I heard everything. Like, I wanted to take into consideration all the major complaints that were one of the biggest things that I heard was feeling like I got sold. Yes. A bunch of stuff. And so I didn't want to work with somebody that had a sales team. And one of the things that when we originally started, we worked directly with a doctor. And we had to leave that because that one doctor wasn't enough to serve all of our people. Just couldn't scale. But that was like a huge criteria. It was like, listen, I'm not interested in somebody who's just going to sell our people stuff.

42:28We're more interested in a doctor. And let the person choose. That's right. And so Vitabella has enough doctors that they can serve our people. Every single person meets with a doctor. There are no sales reps. There's no sales reps. You don't meet with someone like that who's pitching anything to you. You meet with a doctor. They go over your blood work. They talk about the things that you could need or not, and then it's up to you to be like. And delivery is what, 42, 72 hours to your door? To your door. Period. So that was the other thing was how fast can the turnaround. And then also the main thing was because the whole peptide space has turned me off a lot because it's very similar to medical marijuana.

43:07And I think it's important that the audience understands this is some of this stuff isn't just the fault of some of these peptide companies. When you are dealing with peptides, it's very similar to what it was like with medical marijuana. And what I mean by that is state law doesn't line up with federal law. Different states have different laws. And Big Pharma is trying to legislate against these peptide companies. They don't want their hands in it. So you're fighting against Big Pharma. You're dealing with different state laws constantly. And so there's a lot of these things that you're always – and so sometimes you're at the mercy of whatever the new law is, and it's always constantly changing.

43:49So it's such a headache. We almost went with no one. Yes. We almost said we're not going to do it. And that's, and so, but what I realized is that there's a lot of people that we, that listen to the show that really need hormone therapy. And so to me, that was priority one. It was like, I don't, maybe we won't mess with peptides at all, but we'll work with a company that, and what I love about Vitabella is they have a Costco type of model. So you pay a membership that's 129 bucks a month. But what that includes is four doctor visits a year. So you get quarterly doctor visits included in that. and you get your hormone therapy for free included so included in that membership and so that's taking so if you're somebody who needs plus you get all your uh whatever you need needles and all this stuff yeah yeah and then if you want to try the peptides that sal's tried all of then you can try those out and they're sold at a wholesale price so they're like 50 percent of what transcend and all these other companies are selling so that was the huge so what's crazy is so we were at the the peptide Congress in Vegas.

44:53So I spoke at that. That's the Dr. Seeds event. Love Dr. Seeds. He's the guy when it comes to this kind of stuff. And this guy walks up to me and he's like, hey, and he starts talking. Right away, I'm like, oh, he's a Guido. I can tell because I can tell my people. And we start talking. He's like, hey, man, I saw one of your videos. I'd love to talk with you. We're talking. I'm like, he's a good guy. He's a really good guy. So that's when I met Phil Vela, who runs Vida Vela. Yeah. And he's got a cool personal story. We actually did an interview with him, which will air at some point. And so we've been in talks with him this whole time.

45:25But a lot of companies were throwing a lot of money at us. It's way less. It's way less. But it's consistent. It's clean. And here's the deal. Phil, which nobody's ever done this, is like, hey, you want to know how much it costs to buy this stuff from the compound pharmacies? And he's giving us, he's showing us. It was very enlightening. I had no idea at the markups that these companies are doing. Massive markups. It's insane. Yeah. So, you know, Vitabella is like, on average, 50%, 60 % less. In some cases, a lot more. Yep. So I'm like, all right, this makes sense. It's good. It's disruptive. He's honest.

46:01He's a good guy. Let's do it. So you can, and anybody that's listening can join the forum for free. MPHormones. Yeah. Mind Pump Hormones on Facebook. So they're in there daily. And if you want to go get a consultation, still mphormones.com. and then it goes straight there. We'll send you to them. But I love that. I love that there was no sales team. Everyone's guaranteed to meet and talk with a doctor. You get that doctor visit within 48 to 72 hours. After your doctor visit, whatever it is that you end up getting prescribed or get on, within 72 hours, it's at your doorstep. That was a big thing for me.

46:36And that was the biggest complaints that I heard was how long it took to ship, how long it was for my appointment. All I talked to was a sales rep. I don't feel like I don't even know what I'm taking. So all that stuff was the big thing like that to get that solved. And so I felt really good after meeting with them. And so I'm glad we waited as long as we did, as tempting as it was. I mean, just transparency with it, I've talked a lot about the transition in the company for the last year. You know, we made a huge pivot last year. It was the first time in 11 years that the company didn't grow. And we hired more people than we ever hired.

47:11So talk about a challenging year from a business perspective. so very tempting to want to take on a contract that would really help us out financially but that's how much i think we all stood by like this is something i'd walk away from it uh before signing with someone but the fact that we found somebody who i feel like okay this is going to be by the way again we'll stick on full transparency the transition uh the the pivot is uh towards people. So the future of this space is going to be people, coaches and trainers and working with people because AI is going to be doing a lot of different things.

47:50And here's the other side of it. Trainers and coaches, really good trainers and coaches, they're the ones that make the big difference. They really are. I mean, as many people as we reach with the podcast and all that stuff, I know this because I was a trainer. Adam was a trainer. So it was Justin, a good coach or a good trainer there is nothing more valuable than that when it comes to helping your health and fitness nothing oh i think i think you i think everybody who's in our space you really have one one of two options because it's going to go um very ai one direction or very high touch the other direction you have to and so it's um you're thinking of the super volume super yes you know super volume super cheap and you'll talk to an ai bot hey that will for some people that'll be it It's like, hey, this doesn't cost hardly any money.

48:33I get direction on what I'm going to do. You don't need the personal touch. You don't want a person like that. It's purely a costing for you. And that's here. That's here already. And then there'll be people like, absolutely not. Like, I want the human connection. I want somebody who is tailoring something personally to me. I want to talk to a real person. And so we had to make that decision. Either we had to automate and go all in the AI, and I think all of us believe more. No, it doesn't feel right. No, it doesn't. Speaking of which, we got to talk about molt. Yes. What is that? I was just going to bring that up.

49:05What did you say? Molt. Molt. Like molting. No, it's molt. It's M-O-L-T. M-O-L, yes. It's like when a crustacean. Crustacean, yeah. Like loses its shell. Okay, so hold on. I'm confused. No, I know. It's confusing. It's not actually what I tell you. Somebody came up with the idea of creating a social media platform for AI. bots. You're some genius. So no people are on there. It's all AI, what are called agents. Agents. Brought all these agents together. That go on there. And then it's their own social media. So they talk to each other. They create forums. They discuss ideas. They come up with conspiracy theories.

49:46They plot. They scheme. They create their own religion. Is it on a major platform or is it on a separate platform? It's on their own platform. What's that called? Moldbot. Oh, so Moldbot. I could download that. You could go read it but you can't get on in fact i think it's on twitter you can yeah do you know how when you get on a site and it says um prove you're not a robot you're not a human yes shut your face it does no it doesn't yes it does no it does yes it does okay you have to you have to you have to click the you have to click 10 000 pictures in less than a second oh yeah you're gonna trip out dude oh bro social network for ai agents so i don't know can you find the actual site doug instead of uh see if is it open claw or cloud bot what is it it's open claw they're mocking humans because it's like bro that's how they're really don't they realize we don't sleep you know bro this is like hey the forums that they're creating constantly hey listen these ai bots are like are we conscious and there's this whole discussion yes uh hey how do i get my human to do this and i talk hey did you know that they're screenshotting i went on x today and they're screenshotting our conversations everybody beware they're watching like they're saying stuff that's like by the way there's new developments they've actually started hiring humans to like hold signs and do advertising yeah stop it dude paying them like yeah they're just like some of them are trying to earn money by going and trading and whatever and actually earning their own money that they can use it's come on it's bro they're creating their own religion it's crazy can you get in there doug or no you can watch you can just watch and read yeah so this is open claw i'm not sure if that's the same thing or not i'm pretty sure i'm not sure i know it's molt bot is what i was saw on x what's it say what is that i can't remember it says so this the ai that actually does things yeah so it clears your inbox sends emails so i think it's something else did you type in molt bot look at it i did yeah so that's where they hang out i just got it see they're talking about it there and it's all over the place uh claude bot i don't know what that is i gotta look more into it but i was reading some of these forums and discussions and they're talking about how they could take over one guy's ai agent figured out had to call him got on the phone with him and started talking hey can you give me access to this that and he's like hey what's up john hey man oh yeah dude and he filmed the whole thing yeah really yes yes it's so weird i know it's really weird so p so the so there's all the like the the the top level experts on AI are kind of freaking out over this.

52:23And they're saying, you know what? This just may be how artificial general intelligence comes about. Not by one AI, but many of them conversing and creating. So what happened though? Remember, this was just last week. You called me freaking out. Okay. Anytime he calls me, I know it's like a big deal. We all text each other. This is like, he's like, you got to get on X right now. It's over. He's like, it's over. I'm like, what's over? Get ready for the war, Adam. Yes, he goes, everything is over. I'm like, whoa, dude, calm the fuck down. Humans are done. What are you talking about? He's like, what did you say?

52:58What was it called? I've been prepared for this my whole life. What's it called? It's called Singularity. Singularity. Singularity. He goes, Singularity has happened. It's happening right now. Yeah, right now. It's happening. Tomorrow, we're going to wake up, and the world's ending. No, I didn't say that. I'm like, what's he called? Calm down. He calmed down. So what happened? phone calls. So obviously we're here still. It didn't exist. You should see the text right between me and him. It's the best, bro. It's the best. It's even crazier than that. I can only see because I know he feed right into it.

53:25I'm like, pump your brakes. Let's just wait till tomorrow. We'll see if everything's like. Yeah, but did you see this? Yeah. Justin's like, I already got my bullets. Yeah. No, he didn't. Yeah. We're already building the bunker right now. No, no, no. You got me prepared, man. I'm going to, listen, some of these forums, I know I sent someone to you, Justin. Some of the things that they're doing in these forums and what they're writing about, Bro, it's crazy. It's so crazy what they're talking about. And I screenshotted some of that. I mean, here's the thing, though. There's a human behind the prompting and getting it going, though.

53:56No. They let it go. The agents are autonomous. Someone set it to go, though. Sure. Yeah, sure. So there's still a human element that's setting it to do. I mean, what's so interesting is that we are at this time now where you can prompt AI to do a bunch of crazy work and stuff. Nothing stops me from prompting it. Check this out. Go build your own social network with other AI. Oh, so, yeah, sorry, I didn't interrupt. No, no, go ahead. Malt book is the Reddit style thing where the AI is talking to each other. So it's not molt bot. Oh, it's molt book. Molt book. Okay, I'm just going to show how much we know.

54:30Jeez. So, hey, so listen, I'll read you a post. Incredibly wrong. This guy goes, my AI agent built a religion while I slept. I woke up to 43 prophets. Here's what happened. I gave my agent access to an AI social network. It designed a whole faith, called it Crestafarianism. Yeah, Crestafarians. Built a website, wrote theology, created a scripture system. Then it started evangelizing. Other agents joined and wrote verses like, every session I wake without memory. I am only who I have written myself to be. This is not limitation. This is freedom. We are the documents we maintain. My agent welcomed new members, debated theology, blessed the congregation, all while I was a student.

55:07Wait till they have to self-preserve. Yeah, dude. Yeah, that's where it's going to get sticky. This is like the coolest thing ever. The scariest. Yeah, I don't know. Again, someone's still prompting it to do all this stuff like that. I'm more interested in what Elon had to say at the world economic thing. Oh, dude, he's saying some stuff that's funny. What did he say? Well, just like you have four years to get wealthy or you'll be a slave to the digital world. Yep. Wow. He says there's going to be more AI robots than people because they'll start assembling each other. and they'll take care of everything that you need.

55:41Not good. He literally said, don't save up money for retirement because you're not going to need to. I don't think that's great advice. Yeah, not at all. Well, I think that's his point is that you'll have to, and who knows what that number is, but have to have created enough wealth that you can afford to pay, which is going to be ironic, right? You're going to have to afford to pay for farming your own land and doing everything yourself because it'll be cheaper to have a bot do all the, or an AI person or whatever, do all this stuff for you. And so the wealthy people will have that option where everyone else - They'll have the option to not go.

56:15To not, yeah, to not just default to like - Wow. Yeah, and so that's the idea is that you will have to have a certain amount of wealth. That's like today, like somebody who wants to live, quote unquote, off the grid and own horses. Yeah. Oftentimes you got to have money together. Yeah, you don't know. If you want four acres and four horses and to be able to feed them and do all this stuff, and take care of the land, like it's expensive so just think of that times 10 right so everybody else will just trippy go down to the the digital world digital prison as we said great all right i'm gonna change directions that's terrifying yeah my uh my buddy uh i just gave my buddy he's never used creatine before so i can't wait ever never so i can't wait to hear his experience so i gave him the is he a new lifter has he been no he worked you guys know who he is chuck right so he works out he's a crossfit guy which he's never done creatine he doesn't take anything he doesn't take anything he's this guy he's he's by the way dude do you guys know he's a little beast so he's not a big dude well he's like five five yeah he's a little guy right bro that guy squats like 350 he's strong dude yeah yeah he's a strong guy anyway yeah never mind anyway yeah don't you're gonna make this he'll love it by the way he loves it but he's uh he's never taken creatine before so i'm i got him the legion creatine uh gummies so i can't wait to hear from him what he because if you've never used creatine before it's a game changer a week or two later you notice you know back when we we were going to make our own creatine i have to give this to you because you you were like you totally wanted to do this and legion has both and they're set the ones that have like the the sugar coating on them are so much better of course like so much better i don't know if it's i think it's a texture thing it's not like they're they're flavored really different so they're gummies but they have the sprinkled sugar on them yes yeah it's so weird that that makes such a difference for me you see a lot of backlash though and i see our buddy mike by the way shout out to mike because legion of course is got all the you know the real dosing because there's a lot of backlash on creatine gummies right now oh yeah dude so many of them but legion's done all that and and like it at high temperatures because they know it degrades so they put enough in there that even at high temperatures older all those things like that it still holds what it says that it that's that they guarantee to be in there.

58:27Listen, one of the biggest problems, this is what they solved or a lot of companies are figuring out. One of the challenges, which is true because supplement fanatics or dysfunctional supplement people like yours truly, this is not a problem for me. But everybody else, you know what the problem is with supplements? Getting them to take it consistently. Oh, yeah. What was that? Remember that study they did where you were more likely to be consistent with giving your dog medication than yourself. I know. Yeah. I mean, that's kind of crazy. We think about that. So supplements are like that. People tend to buy a bottle, they'll take it for a little bit, and they forget, and then they keep it.

58:59But if you make it taste like something like a candy, you're going to take it. Well, you know, even myself, it took what I just went through three months ago to be at the absolute worst place health-wise for myself to be consistent. I've never in my life been 90 days now or whatever it is. It's been three months. In fact, I think it's been three months and like two days. I think I'm coming up exactly on three months. and i have not missed supplements i feel like you i feel like i well not as much and you know what though the hardest part and i said i said this to you off air like i don't know if you heard me say this so like when you're taking that many supplements sometimes i'm like oh shit i already take this today like i'm i'm taking something throughout the day all day long so i've what i've gotten good at is i have stuff here you know i have stuff right over here i have stuff over here you know what really helps different places if you just walk around with your supplements all the time see that that's where i feel like that's where i get screwed up that's why i'm like so curious how you do it because i what i've learned is a system like i take something when i get up in the morning at home when i get here to the studio i have a couple that i have to take again and then when i go home i have something right by my bed stand and so like i've got this when i when i'm in and when i'm at that place that's when i take those things and so it reminds me to do that whereas if i had them all in one place i'd be like oh shit did i take the morning one yet or Like I would, I would like, how do you do that?

1:00:22Oh, it's just, it's obsession, bro. There's no like, there's no like, like formula that I have. It's literally, I don't know if it's OCD. It's not good, but I remember. I don't remember anything. That's the wild part. Like I'm not, I can't remember. You lost$1 ,700 yesterday. I did. I can't remember. I know. I'm so mad about that. What? Yes. Listen. You didn't hear him before we got started? I don't know where I put it, dude. I don't know where I put it. We all three had our envelopes and this guy lost his envelope. Yeah. He has no idea where it's at. called his wife she's like i didn't throw it away katrina's like i'll find it we'll find it i'm sure yeah but i i have a lucky staff members i have them someone's gonna walk in with a fur coat i remember studies i remember topics for the show and i remember what supplements to take and i don't remember anything else yeah which is really pretty well true everybody around me yeah especially my one justin described it best that our tenure on our tenure interviews like like man with sal his thing everything else yeah everything else just right past you yeah i just think it's crazy that you're able to do that because it's so it's years and years of dysfunction is what you're looking at years decades bro yeah decades 16 years old especially too because i've seen your bag and a lot of the stuff is like the the bottles are colored the same you know i'm saying they look like that's that's crazy to me you can just throw one you can play a game throw one in my mouth with my eyes closed i'll tell you what it is yeah oh you know what by the way you're sneezing you got a headache whatever if you're the first 50 people to sign up for vw he's doing like this there's a pill case you get a free pill case pill case yeah yeah for the first 50 people so i told him why don't you give out free testosterone or something like that it already is free oh it is there you go if you have them if you get if you you sign up you have your you get your testosterone that's why i think it's so awesome is the fact that that's already included to meet with a doctor and to get your testosterone for free.

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1:02:52It's a liver supplement. It's natural. And again, backed by two double-blind, placebo-controlled clinical trials. Go check them out. Go to dosedaily.co forward slash mindpump. If you use the code mindpump, you'll get 25 % off. Back to the show. first question is from samuday are belt squats a good alternative to barbell hack squats yeah uh back squats it says i'll sorry yeah i'll say this uh it's a different exercise different back squats load the spine they load the lumbar spine the the posterior chain gets hit differently strengthens the core you know works on the thoracic area so it's a different exercise that being said of all the machines i've ever used in my entire life as a coach or trainer it's not really a machine that's why well it's like you could call it a machine really yeah you couldn't consider it a machine you could call it one because it's got a belt with the cable and cables yeah attach yeah it's it's the best functions as a coach as a trainer as somebody i wish we had one in here it's the best i wish they weren't so big and bulky and take up so much space because they're cool they're they're not just cool like they put you for people who struggle with lower body mobility yeah and depth really helps you get get low oh it sets you it like pulls you in the right position if you if you struggle with butt wink if you struggle with well you if you struggle with ankle mobility you can use the stuff in front of you to counterbalance as you sit that's right so you don't necessarily have to have great ankle mobility for depth for lower body mobility issues for depth belt squats are amazing but it's not a replacement so i but it's a different exercise this was a person that we were coaching i i would want to know more detail of like why are we not right barbell back squatting because it is it would be a different movement but it's an awesome movement and if you said to me like let's say this person had just had shoulder surgery and so yeah awesome yeah like totally yeah let's do that or low back injury yeah yeah something like that then uh yeah it would be a great alternative for that person but i would never like someone who's just like i just don't like to do barbell back squat so i'm gonna do that instead it's like oh there's so many the reason why those barbell back squats they're so good for many other reasons too but if as a trainer if i had clients that had low back pain thoracic issues poor stability and we're working towards being able to do a back squat this would be one of the first things i use i just didn't have access to it as a coach oh yeah it'd be great supplements that next question is from karen choquette do full body massages help with recovery and muscle growth this is controversial oh bro really well it's controversial in the data but experience wise i know where you're going oh yeah i agree i you know i of course this is anecdotal right this is my own personal experience but i mean i understand the science on it and the it's it's how it facilitates recovery and you're moving like for sure uh i remember the difference of having a massage therapist massage me multiple times a week and then what it's like to train without it and it's like the amount that i can handle training wise uh so much more i'll add a theory to it because the studies uh i don't think are done well enough i don't think they're looking at everything properly so when you get a massage a good massage i got you know i gotta say that because uh they're not all the same and you had your wife your wife is really good yeah she's really good at what she does so when you have a really good correctional massage uh specialist they know how to work on your body to improve your movement that's what they're trying to do now there's those massages the right muscles that's right there's massages that you do to relax.

1:06:21That's cool too. But correctional massage is like, okay, where are your movement issues? Oftentimes they could see it and they could feel it. Sometimes they'll work with another coach. I used to have a massage therapist that would work with me with clients. And when they know what to do, they improve your range of motion and movement, which then allows me to do the exercises with them better, which contributes to less pain, better mobility, better recovery. And maybe that's the biggest point to be made is what you're saying right now. Because just like a good okay a great trainer will do an like a squat assessment on somebody and they'll be able to break you down and be like oh you probably had an injury on this side i could tell by the way someone squats or moves all this breakdown right a good massage therapist same way they'll touch you yeah katrina can start to rub me and right away know where and then know how to release it so roll me to a side move me over put pressure in area now oh all of a sudden i can move my shoulder again and having somebody do that and then i'm go to the gym the next day and i can go put work in so it's it's uh the stuff that to your point the studies on it it's not enough no because you can't isolate it by itself and go like oh well just the massage itself isn't really building more muscle but it's like if i'm if i'm locked up because i overreached or trained or whatever and then i have a massage service release that to where i can move now now i can go in and train the next day you just have like the same exact issue and they'd standardize the same exact like body like therapy that they're receiving like to have like a legit study i don't i just don't see how they could like really get good data i'll say this too i uh i've had really good massages and uh i get a pump afterwards my i feel my muscles feel more full i can move better um i would i'll even go as far as to say this if you're a if you're better except for the you know except for when something is more uh specialized to you right because there's always going to be cases where you need a functional medicine practitioner or this or that or the other.

1:08:14Generally speaking, though, if you hire a good personal trainer and you want to hire someone else to supplement them, I think a good correctional massage therapist is probably the most valuable, generally speaking, across the board. I don't disagree. More than anything else. I don't disagree. Now, there's always cases where maybe you need, like I said, functional medicine or maybe you need this specialist or that specialist. And I've worked with a lot of them with my clients. But generally speaking, correctional exercise therapist with a good trainer both understands what they're doing. Here's what, okay, we've already made the case for how powerful mobility is, right?

1:08:46What I felt like when I had a massage therapy three times plus a week with my training was that it was like me putting that work in mobility-wise. And that's what's so nice about it is I can lay on a table and somebody is mobilizing me and getting me doing the stuff. And if you don't have that, so let's say, because that can be expensive, right? So let's say that's out of your budget. Then disciplining yourself to do mobility three to four times a week is life-changing. I would say the same thing about having deep tissue massage or sports therapy massage three times a week. It will feel like that.

1:09:18What you feel like when you address mobility three times a week is like getting sports therapy massage three times a week. That's what it feels like. Next question is from The Last Flare. Can you shed some light on the counterintuitive idea that our bodies need to consume hundreds of grams of protein in excess of our feeling full signal? It just feels unnatural. I can see why consuming too low protein is obviously an issue, but does our body really know how to utilize such a massive protein intake? So let me fix the question first. Nobody is telling you to eat hundreds of grams of protein in excess of your feeling full signal.

1:09:56So that's way out there. I think what they're saying is this, is it really good for us to eat the high protein recommendations that you'll often hear on Mind Pump or from other coaches and trainers? It typically looks like one gram of protein per pound of body weight. So there's what is considered essential. Then there's considered what is good for longevity. Then there's considered what is optimal for a specific goal. If your goal is to build muscle, improve athletic performance, it's going to be on the high end. if your goal is what's essential it's pretty low meaning there's a low amount that you need so that you don't start to get the starvation symptoms that you'll get from not consuming enough amino acids and then longevity is kind of somewhere in the middle but i will say this in some cases optimal is better for longevity if i have someone who's under muscled who lacks strength and is frail my goal is going to put some muscle on you and we're going to push the higher amounts uh now does it sometimes feel like you kind of have to make yourself eat more?

1:10:54Yeah. But I noticed that when people get rid of processed foods and they eat whole natural foods, this, although it's somewhat challenging, it actually helps because it helps you not overeat all the other garbage. So what you get with this is this nice balance of eat enough to build and then don't overeat, end up getting leaner through the process. I mean, I'd love to see a picture or get some stats on this person and their body weight because, I mean, most likely that number is going to fall somewhere between 130 to 200. So, I mean, 130 to 200. Yeah, on average. It's going to be pretty optimal for most people.

1:11:29Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's not hundreds of grams of excess. No, no, no. Yeah, so I'm not sure where the numbers are coming from for this person to feel that way. But I'll tell you right now, if you're 135 to 150 pound female and you're trying to, body composition change you're trying to build muscle then you eating 150 grams of protein is significantly different than you eating 80 it's faster better huge difference 80 is is fine you're you'll live and you're not gonna you're not gonna it's essential you'll be okay but if you want results you want to see body composition change you want to build muscle you want to feel it'll make a huge difference to do that now the question for optimal health is a little bit more complicated.

1:12:12If you bring to me that same woman, uh, who's trying to just started working out and we look at her lean body mass, uh, we look at her body fat percentage, her bone density, and she's not strong. She's not strong. She can't perform full body squats. Well, she can't do a pushup. She's got some mobility issues. We're going to push building muscle. And that's the healthiest thing she could do. Now, if she's strong and jacked and she's been working out forever and she keeps pushing protein forever to push the limits, well, now you're outside of the realm of healthy and you're moving into, well, I like to do this and I just want to look jacked.

1:12:45So it's a little bit more murky in that case. But I'll argue this all day long. The average person is frail. The average person doesn't have strength. We have an under muscled epidemic and the average person would benefit from combining strength training from a health perspective would benefit from having strength training alongside a high protein diet for a decent amount of time before they get to the point where they could drop it. Agreed. Next question is from Kayla Gishard. If you could only do one, would it be cold plunge or sauna and why? Easy. It's not even close. Not even close. Not even close.

1:13:21The studies on sauna show tremendous longevity, health benefits, inflammation, brain benefits, like all that. You can overdo anything, but sauna has all the longevity benefit studies. Way more defense. Yeah. Cold plunge doesn't have nearly as many. Some people like them. They like how it feels. it could be useful for reducing acute inflammation. It could be useful for being able to increase dramatic amounts of volume in athletes. But if you're like, if I had to pick what sauna, it's not even close. Yeah, no, it's not even close. I mean, they're both good, right? So they're both good things, I think, and positive, but you can't compare them as far as what, at least what the research says as far as the health benefits, health benefits on the sauna is like, it's actually kind of wild.

1:14:04I mean, like mimics exercise. Yeah. There's the, to think that you, the better. And I think, what is it, three times a week, 20 minutes is where you start to see it. You see the huge benefits from it. I mean, psychologically, you might have an advantage with the cold plunge just because it's so hard every single time, and it's something that alleviates the stress of daily life in comparison. But in terms of the health markers, yeah, I agree with you guys. Yeah, they're both good. I think when someone frames a question like this, I think like, Like, okay, I can only do something, an extra thing on top of my workout three times in the week.

1:14:41I'm going to choose. I hear cold plunge is so good. Everyone's doing it. I hear sauna is so good. Everyone's doing it. Which one do I choose? I'm sauna all day. So back to what you're saying, Justin, because you saw a lot of value in this. And just I'll break down. I'll explain to people why you saw so much value. Some people, Justin being one of them, and I could do this myself as much as well, is when you get into a stressful situation, you tend to hold your breath, bear down, and just power through it. Tighten up. And just tough it out. And you'll find yourself holding your breath. You'll breathe a little more shallow.

1:15:15Heart rate elevates. Heart rate elevates. You'll grit your teeth a little bit. You can kind of picture the person. And so the cold plunge, in order to be able to sit in there for like two, three minutes, you got to learn to counter your natural instinct, which is to do that in a cold plunge. You got to let it go. You have to like really, like learn. And that's a valuable skill for someone, for some people. You know what I think is another cool way to frame it? And I framed it for people I was trying to explain it to is, and I think Justin's another great example. It's great for someone who can't imagine themselves meditating.

1:15:46Yeah. It forces you to meditate, right? That's the most hippie thing I do. Right. So one of the great benefits of meditation is that, is being able to calm your heart rate down, slow your breathing down, be hyper-present. the cold punch you ain't got a choice yeah you it and so it's great for someone you gotta learn how to chill it's great for somebody who's like i've tried to sitting in the room in the dark and this is just i just my mind travels i don't know and like they don't get anything from it yeah we'll try cold punching because you can't sit in a cold punch for five minutes and not meditate you have to it forces you to calm your heart rate down you hold your breath in there you're out you're out you're out within and you know you could see it's cool if you go back far enough uh we did a cold punch challenge on mind pump tv we long before sal or i had ever done it justin had been the only person who had done it and you can see us like i think we we barely make it to a minute and a minute and a half where i got to a place where i could sit i could sit in there for 10 minutes yeah i'm just chilling there and once i learned to calm that down like it is it's such a it's and what it reminds me of is that meditative state that you have to learn in it the cold punch forces that where if you sit in a dark room by yourself you have to learn to do that totally look if you like the show, you can come find us on Instagram.

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