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17:19Adam Schafer:So almost the same body fat percentage. Yes. 20 more pounds. 20 more pounds. Yeah. Same body mass.

17:24Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. Looks way different. Radically different. Like so much to the point where Katrina was just like, that's not right. There's no way you're that. That's so much different. It's crazy how that can make such a difference because from a body fat percentage, it's not technically that much better, but looks night and day difference because I'm carrying so much lean body mass on me.

17:45Justin Andrews:There's not a lot of charts out there that really depict that well. No. Based off of like, oh, percentages, you want to kind of fall in this range, but it's like to understand that you put muscle on top of that body itself, it's going to totally look good. It adds shape.

18:00Adam Schafer:It adds curve. It adds firmness. It looks very different. You're absolutely right. I would love, that would be such a great and powerful picture depiction because typically what we'll do is we'll show, you know, a 200-pound man in two pictures, one lean and one not lean, which obviously looks radically different, right? You know, 12 % body fat, 200 pounds, 25 % body fat, you know, 200 pounds. They look radically different. But what we don't often see, which is also - Same body fat percentage, but give that guy 25 pounds of muscle. Yes, and do it with women too. A woman with way more lean body mass, same body fat percentage, and heavier on the scale.

18:36Adam Schafer:Yeah. Looks way different. Way heavier on the scale. Way heavier on the scale. Looks way different.

18:39Justin Andrews:Looks curved. It would be so psychologically beneficial, especially, I think, for women. Because to the points of bringing that trainer example in and telling them how much she weighs. That's such a profound thing sometimes for people. It is.

18:54Adam Schafer:Not to mention, from a health perspective, you guys, if you're strong and fit in the sense that you've got good function, decent stamina, good strength, body fat percentage, again, I'll use the numbers for men and women. 19 % for a man, let's say 29 % or 30 % for a woman, which is above what, you know, it's a good six, 7 % above where people would say they'd want to be. But one of them is fit, strong, and has some stamina. The other one is just sitting at that body fat percentage. Their health is way different, way different. Health markers, way different. Longevity, well, way different. Quality of life, way different.

19:30Adam Schafer:Hormone profile, way different. different uh it's as if muscle is this active uh miracle tissue that people just don't realize

19:37Sal Di Stefano:this is why i keep i mean i keep you know sounding the trumpets about what gabriel lyon's message is is so uh so important and i think it's it's it's so much more true we and we and it's like can we change that conversation it's like we actually really don't have an obesity problem we have an under muscle problem we that's really because a lot of these people that are quote unquote 30 to 50 pounds overweight if they were the exact same weight but that weight 20 of that 30 pounds or whatever like that was muscle oh very you have a radically different body and health

20:12Adam Schafer:markers i remember i don't know if it was in the 90s where they started they would show imaging of uh people who were you know in the category of obese and they showed how much muscle they had so these were sedentary people who were obese and the belief used to be that if you were overweight, you probably already also had more lean body mass. And the rationale was you're bigger, carrying all that weight. No, I used to think that too. They have less muscle. They have less muscle. Sarcopenia is very common. A lot more prevalent. Yeah. That's right. So the question is, does it cause the obesity? Does it contribute to the obesity?

20:49Adam Schafer:Yes. Well, yeah, when you're muscled it does it definitely does and you're right uh this my my well i mean they're my favorite studies not because i like the outcome but because i think they really demonstrate what we're talking about are these grip strength tests uh studies on college aged uh males it's wild you guys like and grip strength is just a proxy for overall body uh you know body strength so it's an easy

21:12Justin Andrews:way to test if you're strong can you recruit muscles on command the last it was 2015 so it

21:19Adam Schafer:was something like that was like maybe maybe eight years ago they did one where college-aged males today have the average grip strength of a 50 something year old in 1986 or 60 year old in 19 it was ridiculous like they're as strong as like their grandfathers were you know uh as a grandfather was in the 1980s just to kind of illustrate how weak uh we've become because our lives require very little strength and so our bodies adapt yeah our bodies adapt how much of a role do you think

21:47Sal Di Stefano:monkey bars played oh dude all those old videos i mean i revisit that a lot i think about that for just a second we used to play everybody in here everybody in this room grew up swinging and playing on monkey bars yeah right yeah yeah when was the last time you saw a kid do that

22:04Justin Andrews:i mean brianna used to do it all the time did she yeah but they were the anomaly the so your point like that's none of the kids were just like inclined to go i mean every every school playground had them that was like that was taking them out that was like a standard thing that everybody had and you just did not to mention that bouncy rubbery uh surface is detrimental too uh for kids as well like they've they've done research on that what is it what's detrimental about well so aside from its tire rubber yeah the chemicals yeah the chemical exposure is one big part of it but like yeah i think it's some somehow like the the impact of it um uh like too soft is Yeah, it's too soft.

22:44Justin Andrews:Yeah, interesting. I'll have to go back and research the study. I don't really remember what they found, but it was problematic.

22:50Sal Di Stefano:I mean, I remember a simple game, and I'm trying to remember at what age did I stop doing this. It was probably, for sure, by high school, but definitely all the way through middle school we were doing this. But you would swing and see how many you could skip and go, and going back. I mean, that was like a part of a normal day.

23:10Adam Schafer:physical hard physical play was what we did yeah that's that's how you played because you went

23:15Sal Di Stefano:outside and you did but i bring up that because i know you bring up the grip strength test so much and i think that uh being able to hang from a monkey bar is like great for the like the the dead hang test that we all test that everybody talks about so much now about and that we all everybody fails at and then the the grip strength and it's like i wonder how much in when you look at our society as a whole.

23:37Adam Schafer:Oh, of course.

23:38Sal Di Stefano:That just no monkey bars.

23:41Adam Schafer:They're just not playing physically. Kids now play electronically. That's how they meet up with each other. That's how they play.

23:47Justin Andrews:You guys ever watch those videos?

23:48Adam Schafer:I mean, they still got recess at school. They do, but that's it. It's actually structured, I think. I know, but that's what... No, when you went home, did you stop playing? Or were you outside playing? Yeah, but I wasn't doing something in particular for my grip strength. Forget the grip strength. You were just stronger. Everything you did was physical. When you got home, there was nothing to do other than go outside and go throw football, run, wrestle, climb trees. Like, you know, you weren't at home. You weren't sitting down. If you were that kid at home sitting there, you were that weird kid when we were growing up.

24:24Adam Schafer:Like, nobody did that. You were outside, dude. There was nothing to do inside. You're sick. Yeah.

24:28Justin Andrews:Now it's like. I've told my, that's actually something I tell my kids all the time. like you know like the kids that do that they're the ones that were sick all the time yeah it's like i don't understand you guys at all like yeah like what's wrong well it's funny it's like i make

24:43Adam Schafer:this joke all the time it's like when we were when we were kids the punishment was go to your room now it's like get out of your room and go outside yeah and you gotta set a timer go stay outside for 45 minutes yeah or whatever you guys ever watch those videos i think we brought up before on the show of uh playgrounds in the 50s bro they were dangerous back in the day well yeah like the metal slides you die i told you i cut my toe once a year we lose a kid you know

25:10Justin Andrews:they said actually the monkey bars where i broke my arm so it was like it was not it was like 12 foot it wasn't even like 10 it was like like higher than the normal and i just fell right in my arm and broke it and then that same year i broke it again we were playing um look at that

25:29Adam Schafer:bro look at the size of that playground look what kids are climbing i know that no way a parent would let their kid climb look at that he's sitting on the top of that thing and that's how high do

25:41Sal Di Stefano:you think that is right it's wild that we it's it's wild how much that how much society played a role that it's even conditioned you like you wouldn't do that yeah no that terrifies right you wouldn't let your kid do that no but yet we know that we know that that was a part of our society and that was normal yet you would freak out if you saw your kid it freaked me out i actually

25:59Justin Andrews:intentionally tried and that was like rough because we go to the dog park and there was like these trees and the kids were inclined to climb the trees and they get to a point where they get like about halfway i'm like oh it's like hey guys you know then they keep going all over the top and i felt like the parents around me were going to call cps or something yeah you know i'm just like and so i'd have to like coach him like okay we can't go like that high like maybe like midway

26:25Sal Di Stefano:this is an area where katrina and i are challenged because i'm i i know i have to do more of that with him and my son's not inclined to do stuff like i shoot i just the fact the last pictures i took of him and i posted you know you know i read on his private thing i post his stuff like once a week it's actually i'm like i get so excited to see him take risk because he just doesn't he doesn't do enough of that like it's like and he needs to do more than that and him and his buddy had built this you know fake bridge between his two beds and they were jumping and flying across you know the bed and just like that's like the and then it's come on dude it's a bed yeah pillows and yeah but i mean i can't he doesn't climb trees i can't get him to do stuff like that he's not into anything like that i remember when we tried to do gymnastics for way back when when he was right before covid and then covid hit which kind of threw a monkey wrench and everything um but i i want him to do more stuff like that kids just are not inclined well

27:19Adam Schafer:to want to do that stuff let me ask you this here's something that's crazy right uh when we were kids in elementary school there was always always at least one kid if not two who had a cast

27:31Sal Di Stefano:on yeah always always always that was me yeah justin was that kid always signing a cast it's actually pretty rare now i think to see that was a thing you your friend signed your cast yeah yep like that was a thing that's how that's how common i'm having to wear that was a common theme in school that you sign somebody's cast you remember that yeah i do like ever you get a cast and all your friends have their signature on your cast yeah that was like a thing that's

27:57Justin Andrews:you don't see that ever no yeah i wonder if if like er visits have dropped you know or it changed into more like chemicals or you know like i swear i swear like switches over into something else typically look up the look at the what the percentage of uh kids kids under yeah 15 breaking

28:15Adam Schafer:their bones versus our kids yeah or uh kids breaking their arms less common today or something

28:20Sal Di Stefano:like that i feel like those numbers probably which is interesting because i don't see kids well here's the thing that's interesting about that because you would think malnutrition would play a role too and so we're less nutritious than we would be so you would think that would but they're not doing anything that would break it i know that's that so what my point is if the number went down in a time when we are less nutritious we're eating less nutritious food it would it would be it's kind of crazy when you think about that because and it just shows you how much less risk we're taking

28:43Adam Schafer:you know the whole nutritious thing though i'll push back on that because we grew up in the 90s we ate garbage everybody ate garbage in the 90s you guys it's it's not like it was radically maybe when done microwave food but when we were kids you had squeeze it's that's what you were drinking it was it was candy son everybody had twinkies in their lunch it was like white do you

29:03Sal Di Stefano:think our generation eats horse this generation i don't think so the kids yeah i don't think so i don't know i i don't by by the way by no means do i think our generation was good but i don't think this generation's gotten better i don't know not better no not better yeah but i don't think they're worse oh i don't think that either yeah but um what does that say well that's a

29:21Adam Schafer:percentage down from 2008 to 2017 i'd like to know from like 1980s 90s yeah yeah because by that point i mean kids were still but it did show there was a drop so i know it's not funny how

29:34Sal Di Stefano:much is cova though those three years of cova play a huge role in that too although actually

29:38Justin Andrews:no that would put everybody outside although i did see the other day like there was um some kids in the neighborhood setting up ramps. I was like, yeah, ramps. And this kid, he's skateboarding through, and then they hit each other. He jumped off, and I was like, ah, man, yes.

29:57Adam Schafer:Look at this data, dude. Data suggests a 12 % decrease in overall fractures since the 1980s, but there's other research that shows a 32 % to 56 % rise in specific forearm fractures due to calcium deficiency. Ah, ah.

30:12Sal Di Stefano:Ooh, there you go. There you go.

30:15Adam Schafer:Click show more because that's a... So in Finland, there was a drop from 1983 to 2005, 18%. Then there's the forearm fractures in children increased because of what you're saying. Lower bone mass. Wow. Children in 2017, 2018. Whoa. 10 %? 10 % to 11 % lower bone density than 1979, 1981. Wow. Whoa. Dude. 10 to 11 % lower bone density. Monkey bars, dog.

30:47Justin Andrews:Dude, if you're not stressed, monkey bars. Yeah. I'm serious. Think about what else is strengthening

30:53Sal Di Stefano:your forearm muscles and your hands and your grip and everything than that as a kid that you're doing. You're not doing Red Rover. No kids are out there doing wrist curls or doing forearm exercises. You're hanging from monkey bars and climbing trees.

31:08Adam Schafer:Dude, you ever look at old pictures? Sometimes I look at old pictures, like family pictures right like when my dad was younger my grandfather and i look at them like god they look like they get beat their crap out of like a kid like they probably could were they just tough they were they were just tougher yeah because they were stress tested well yes great depression will do that to you they also look older it hardens you ever see you ever see like there's old movies and they'll show the actor like he was 30 in this movie like dude

31:36Justin Andrews:looks like he was 45 like what's going on i feel like just going into like cold weather environments did that for me like just going into chicago i was like oh just always just tight and hunkered down you know how cold did it get out there dude it was like 30 below like wind chill my first year i was there 30 below i've never experienced that like it obviously here we don't you get like um up to like candlestick i'd go every now and then it was like you know oh this sucks but it was like that was probably like negative five or something.

32:09Sal Di Stefano:Well, isn't it Chicago, the places where they had those, I'm sure if Doug will come online, the pictures of when the wind is crazy and it's freezing cold and the cars look like ice. Yeah, it looks like the ice is moving.

32:20Justin Andrews:Yeah, they've had ice where it just covers the entire city. Yes. And you can't even get in your car. Yeah, I just wasn't ready for that. I was wearing like three sweatshirts. Yeah, there it is right there. I've seen pictures like that before. yeah that's crazy i don't like i don't like cold weather like what do you do you're just like not

32:39Sal Di Stefano:going to work today yeah you're not getting into that they got underground yeah there's tunnels

32:45Justin Andrews:and things that to connect is downtown but like yeah you have to really prepare and plan around

32:52Sal Di Stefano:your day when we were in colorado it was cool but it's a different kind of cold um yeah because chicago's got the wind and the wind and the water canada just come down the wind and the water Colorado is dry and so and so it's doesn't like I remember I remember the opposite like it would trip me out I remember that first time coming down so I used to have to we lived in this um kind of cabin right above this like trailer parking I mean there's long dirt road to where I had to walk down to to get to school um I mean to the bus stop and uh you know I remember walking down as a kid in uh in the snow and there's you know five feet of snow next to you and you're a t-shirt and it's minus three but it doesn't it i mean minus three somewhere else feels i mean like you said san francisco 30 degrees with wind is like freezing cold yeah it's a whole yeah so it's a it's wild how like you could be a different like climates like that where the temperature isn't just the the only factor but chicago i hear is like that i was for sure made for the heat like

33:48Adam Schafer:i don't mind heat make it halt all day long humid i don't care i'm comfortable cold i would die i'm I'm done, dude. I can't stand it. I had buddies that went up to Tahoe. Was it last weekend when it got super crazy?

33:59Justin Andrews:Uh-huh.

34:00Adam Schafer:Snow up there? Oh, yeah. So my buddy, he's lived out here for a while, but he's like, hey, man, we're going to go up to Tahoe. First time ever going. I'm not a big fan of snow, but the kids really want to go. Bro, he picked the wrong weekend, dude. Do you know how long it took him to get up there? Oh. 15 hours.

34:15Sal Di Stefano:I've been stuck on 80 before. It's the worst.

34:17Adam Schafer:15 hours.

34:18Sal Di Stefano:I've been stuck on 80 times where everybody just gets out of their car, and there's snowball fights and everybody's just no i'm serious you just you're not it's not moving it's not moving and you're just so everybody just gets out of the car and they're hanging out and what if you have

34:30Adam Schafer:to go poop like what do you do that's always my worry like you're stuck and you're just like what do you do you're stuck on the road nobody's i mean i've never had to go poop but i've had to go pee

34:39Sal Di Stefano:in that's on that road and then you just go you'll find a tree sure sure that's not a big deal but

34:43Justin Andrews:having to go yeah if you got a number two always keep wipes in your car dude yeah i do because i

34:48Sal Di Stefano:little kids i mean yeah with kids that would be a nightmare do you have did he have kids with him he had his kids with oh god yeah i was like at least a young adult you know i'm saying so that's like whatever i'm bored and my buddies and i are pissed stressful dude but with kids that would be a nightmare because i could just imagine kids being stuck in a car for 15 years oh yeah forget

35:08Adam Schafer:that speaking of kids and playing dude i was playing with uh my five-year-old and my three-year-old so my five-year-old's boy right three-year-old's a girl and it's so funny to see the difference in how they play. This is kind of stereotypical of like boys and girls, but we all have these like, I have a bat in my hand. It's a long foam bat. My son's got a shield. My daughter's got a sword. And I'm like, all right, we're going to go kill dragons. All the pillows on the couches are dragons. Let's go, right? So we're out there like killing dragons. And so my daughter stops. She goes, and she has to tell a story behind it.

35:39Adam Schafer:Well, this dragon, he came from this place. And then his mom, and she's got to create this complex story around the whole thing. and she's always telling she's like creating this whole complex scenario she's three dude and i'm cracking up i'm like you don't have to make a story hey and then she picked up my son has this is hilarious he has a plastic t-ball bat but it's hard you know but it's the one that you hit the bat with yeah so we're killing dragons and then just out of nowhere i thought she thought she thought it'd be funny she grabbed the bat she blasted me full speed with that bunk i'm like oh honey she's laughing i'm like that was hard dude that was a little hard honey yeah we're trying to

36:23Sal Di Stefano:we're right now we're really trying to implement the the the the money stuff right now so the like the save the give and the invest and so i'm trying to that's so great i gotta do that i mean it's like it's just it's a process like i don't know if it's because we're well i'm early you know i'm saying trying to figure that out like he's still trying to wrap his brain around it but like the the latest obviously he's been into Legos forever. So Katrina and I are now like, okay, it's time to implement the money thing. And so let's start to create these little jobs, ways he can earn it. I think I told you guys that like, he spent like all of his money on his, on his Lego.

36:54Sal Di Stefano:He was like, okay with that. And then he knew too, like, Hey, we're not going to get another one until you do like chores and, or do jobs. Right. So, and so, you know, folding, folding laundry. I shouldn't, you guys, the picture of the toilets and stuff. No. Oh yeah. So if it was, he cleaned, he cleaned the toilets and everything. You had him clean the toilet?

37:10Adam Schafer:Yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's advanced. It was$10 a toilet. You know what I'm saying? That's not bad.

37:15Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, yeah. They made$30. You know what I'm saying? They made$30 by doing the toilets. Was I how old's your son? Huh? Six. Six cleaning toilets. Wow. That's a hard job. So listen, he's cleaning the toilet, and he looks up at my tree. He goes, this is way harder than washing the car with daddy. And then he's upstairs in the master bedroom, and he's like, he's like mommy somebody uh peed on the floor and she's like well who do you think did that he was probably daddy he's like no probably you bro that's you who misses the toilet all over the floor you blamed it on me yeah you blamed it on me that was you homie yeah yeah so i was like so katrina sends me she i was uh out running errands and uh there's this like you know 30 dollar uh t-rex lego that he wants and uh she sends me that he's already doing the chores and stuff like that to add it up to figure out how much she has to get.

38:09Sal Di Stefano:And so I'm super proud of him. Well, I'm going over to her mom's house to pick up chicken soup for us because we're sick. And I'm super proud that he was the one who came up. He was asking her, what can we do? And the reason why we came up with toilet, I'm like, I don't know what the hell else he can do. He helped her fold laundry. That was something. It was like, okay, well, we could do the toilets. We could do something like that as a project, see if you want to do that. And he was totally down. So we said, okay, it was too rainy and cold to do the cars. so I'm over there picking up the soup from my mother-in-law and Katrina sends me those pictures that he's doing that so I know he's gonna have enough to do that and so he has this relationship with my mother-in-law where she's always gifting him and stuff like that and so the soft part of me is dad I go like oh you know I'm gonna swing by I'm gonna pick up that Lego and I'll say it came from Nana you know what I'm saying because I actually want him to take this money and save it so I'm trying to teach the saving best

38:59Adam Schafer:but you can't give him the thing exactly because you created the job exactly

39:02Sal Di Stefano:so i so i i come home and uh i i bring in the soup and then you know daddy tells me he cleaned the cleaned it tells me what he's earned and stuff like that and you know i can get the thing i said hey guess what i said uh when i went and saw nana i said uh she had a gift for you he's like what what did you and he gets all excited i go outside i grab it and i and i head to him and it's it's the t-rex logo or whatever so he he oh so that totally i didn't see that coming he makes a big deal about it and he's he's open up and he's sitting there and katrina told me earlier she's like you know he's tired he's feeling under the weather and when my son is like that he's like a little emotional and she's like he's emotional today and i'm like oh really and i'm like why she's like he's just not feeling good so he's over there and he's doing the legos and um i hear katrina kind of like talking to him it's okay buddy and so with that and uh he's he's starting to cry and i'm like i'm like what the fuck like this doesn't make sense he just got this thing he's all happy and so i come over and i'm like hey what's going on and he's and he's trying to like get control of his crying and get his emotions and and she's like it was the wrong it was the wrong lego oh and he's like he goes i know i know this but he doesn't want to let you know that he's just he's like he's like i know this this is a gift from nana and i i'm i'm i'm not crying i'm i'm and he's like trying he's getting control and he's just like he's talking himself and he's getting his breath and and i just like give him his space or whatever like that and then she she katrina pulled me aside and she's like it was it's the wrong lego it's the it's not the one that he wanted but he knows it's a gift from nana so he doesn't want her oh and so but watching him try and like work through that so it's so interesting i've seen this now with him multiple times where uh it's so cool to see how aware he is he's aware of the great being grateful yes but he also has of course he's disappointed he's a kid wasn't what he's a little kid and i remember being a little kid like that.

40:51Sal Di Stefano:As a matter of fact, I have a very vivid memory of that.

40:53Adam Schafer:Even adults are like that. You have an expectation. Right.

40:56Sal Di Stefano:And so he knows that he doesn't want to be ungrateful or cry about it and stuff like that. And so he's like fighting these natural emotions that cry.

41:05Adam Schafer:So did you get him the other one?

41:07Sal Di Stefano:Well, so yeah, we went eventually. Yeah. Good man. Of course. Especially because the way he handled it, you know what I'm saying? Like he literally, he didn't throw a tantrum. He wasn't even crying out loud. He was like, you could tell he's like holding it and fighting it back. And I hear Katrina talking. I'm like, what are you guys talking what's going on what's that oh it's the wrong it's the wrong lego and i'm

41:22Adam Schafer:like oh fuck i fucked up you know what i'm saying the one time i did that uh because that was a big deal like if you got something and then it wasn't what you wanted but you were upset about it like i would get it's not a good thing when i when i grew up right my dad grew up poor so they have their own thing right right but i remember and i was probably 12 i want to say and i got my gift from santa not that i still believe in santa but i have little younger siblings so i still got a and it wasn't the nintendo and i got something else and i kind of was sad about it because i thought i was gonna get the nintendo and i was really sad about it and i'll never forget this my dad i think it was the day after he's like hey what you know i saw you were upset like what's going on and my dad's he didn't he didn't talk to me this way so it was a big deal and so i told i thought i was gonna get the nintendo and he's like okay and then he walks away and he goes follow me so i went in the car and he drove me to the toy store and bought me the nintendo oh

42:15Sal Di Stefano:never forget that oh so i have i have a same age too i'm right around probably like eight nine ten somewhere around that age and uh um my grandma was the one who always got like the big christmas gift and like so and that year i wanted a remote control car and like i was like so those are a

42:33Adam Schafer:big deal back oh it's a huge deal and i i knew i knew grandma would come yeah come through with

42:39Sal Di Stefano:like the and and i open it and it is a is it the one with the cord yes oh no and i every boy i remember being devastated just devastated that you know and and so i like this one sucks that oh yeah i was like ruined my whole day you know saying like my grandma came through on christmas every year on what i wanted you know saying and it's like i'm at an age where i like i want to like the gas power like i'm ready i'm ready for like the real deal like remote control and she got me one with like a cord to it like i'm fucking four oh bro it was just devastating i mean i remember crying all the whole whole deal and so when i saw that like mints immediately put me back in that and i'm like man just the the level of control yeah that he has yeah dude you know and and to communicate it so that i'm like dude so it was so much better than i remember the stupid

43:29Adam Schafer:remote control cars that they would go forward but the only way to turn is to go backwards if you went backwards it naturally turned you remember that this one sucks dude yes dude I mean I think

43:40Sal Di Stefano:the cord is the worst

43:41Adam Schafer:that's another level it's only gonna go four feet super slow we have the technology why are we still yeah

43:50Justin Andrews:why are we just run over GI Joes but you know it's crazy as a kid

43:54Sal Di Stefano:like you can't those emotions whether you know you're trying to figure all that stuff out so to watch him try and to work it out is pretty wild

44:03Adam Schafer:you know it's pretty wild to be that hey i gotta ask you guys when we did the uh the big uh photo shoot with ketone iq uh was that your first times for both you guys taking like multiple servings

44:14Justin Andrews:in a day oh in the same day uh yeah for me it was yeah because i because i do two to three

44:19Sal Di Stefano:one typically but yeah what do you guys what do you guys think i so i i took it again yesterday and today uh i i like it it's great yeah yeah i'm on a kick now ever since we had to do all that because I did feel so good because I'm drinking caffeine. So they have the ones that are non-caffeinated too. So I can still do that and feel the benefits of it. Ketone IQ, I thought the best part of that day was meeting the guy who did it. Oh, he's great. Oh, yeah. And literally was like Justin.

44:48Justin Andrews:How random was that? And he went to my high school. I was like, dude, of course you have the same kind of sense of humor as me.

44:55Sal Di Stefano:The fact that he was, when we pulled up his YouTube channel, that he was responsible for that fitness uh scared what's it called scared shitless fitness yeah scared shitless fitness i shared that video with so many of my friends yeah it was on comedy

45:10Justin Andrews:central there yeah so his group that did like sketch comedy uh i think they're called the clunes but um yeah yeah it was weird because i was like oh i've totally seen all their videos remember all that like vividly have you guys gone hilarious have you got because this channel

45:23Adam Schafer:because they sold to comedy central he doesn't do it anymore but have you guys gone through They go hard, dude.

45:28Justin Andrews:Bro, they go hard, bro.

45:29Adam Schafer:Well, I mean. One of their top videos is for a product called The Thruster.

45:33Justin Andrews:Yeah. Oh, I haven't seen that one. Bro. The best part was that we had spent the whole day with him. I love it, dude.

45:37Sal Di Stefano:We spent the whole day with him doing all the shooting and stuff like that for all the ads and commercials to come out later. And it wasn't until the end when we got into the studio to do this part that that conversation comes up. And you're over there and we ask him, oh, you had a YouTube channel. He had a big YouTube channel back in the day, like 15 years ago or more. Yeah. and so you're over there looking at it and you're like oh my god oh this is and then i see the title of it i'm like oh this is so just this is so just right here guys the thruster one it's a bit

46:06Adam Schafer:inappropriate but it's like there's this couple and they're like oh you know let's get intimate like i'm kind of tired it's like are you sometimes too tired or whatever introducing the thruster and so you put it on you and your partner and it does the work for you

46:22Adam Schafer:hey and they're like they're like do it while sleeping do it while reading it was hey you know

46:27Sal Di Stefano:what i felt i can only imagine how good justin felt because i felt it for you it was so to to feel uh the validation for the ads that justin did years ago to show him that right to show somebody uh that that does that professionally it was a little awkward because you know obviously they

46:44Justin Andrews:crushed it and they they uh you know got signed and all that by you know so i'm just like ah we were just like meddling and trying ideas and uh yeah to have him watch that he was just like

46:55Sal Di Stefano:into it yeah it was oh he was very impressed like you could see you could see it on him i mean he sat like indian style in the middle of our floor like watched all your ads because he was just like

47:04Justin Andrews:this is so good it's cool that's like one of those hidden passions these i wish it worked you know with our business uh you know who knows like at some point it might you know i went back and i

47:13Sal Di Stefano:watched them all over again and i don't know where we have we put them on the youtube channel so they can can they we should put them out there so they just so we can at least people can search them and find them because they're so good i know you have you have them on your instagram yeah you put them in your in my your your uh bubbles yeah your little bubbles or whatever like that but dude that the the juve one is probably my favorite the juve alien dude that was the most ridiculous yeah those were so those were so long got a big budget make commercials

47:43Justin Andrews:you guys say that hey you guys always give it dude ask eli he did a lot of that for with me and we worked it was just me and eli like coming up and then doing all that and like i mean he went out of his way to help me try to like do something with that so he didn't he didn't charge even near what he should have you know for those no what you know what though

48:04Sal Di Stefano:is such an example of how different we are i mean right before we got this podcast i was telling you guys this the way my brain works is like you know how cheap how inexpensive what's how can i test this theory like it's fast as fast and as quick as possible to get a good answer and justin's like elaborate i go complex you give him and he's just like i am gonna he's creative dude he's got

48:23Justin Andrews:that creative mind but hanging out with you guys has helped me to really bring that and distill it down yeah to like the core of it and so i feel like i don't know man we might be at a place now

48:33Adam Schafer:where we need that dude we might be in a place where we need that creativity

48:37Sal Di Stefano:maybe that's why i want to put it out there again i think when the i think as those those those companies and i would love for you to i mean yeah he wanted to link up so i would love for you to do some collaborations again i know it's been a long time since we've done that and i know doug probably freaks out just hearing that going like oh great just what we needed more more distractions but it's like i agree with you sal i think that stuff is getting so ai fake whack produced that something authentic and funny and real like that like that i think i can't think up that stuff

49:08Justin Andrews:i just i don't know i like original ideas like there's just so much carbon copying of this is the trend and this is the trend yeah the algorithm it's like i don't even get impressed anymore that's why i think that's why i think i think you now's good time maybe you were just way way you're out of your time bro yeah i think you're everything i'm over in the future and once they're caught up, it's like dead news. Oh, man. Oh, we got AI for that now.

49:35Adam Schafer:Hey, speaking of news, dude, are you guys seeing what's happening in Mexico? Yeah.

49:39Sal Di Stefano:Puerto Vallarta, too, which is like where a highly traveled place for - It's locked down.

49:44Adam Schafer:And the cartel - It's a war. So how did it start? It killed one of these cartel leaders and then it spurred this crazy war. Who did? Government? Yes. Yes. So military, government, whatever. And I mean, it's to a point where like Like highways are shut down. Airports are shut down. Airports are getting taken over. Hostages are being taken. Yeah. Gas stations on fire. Civilians are driving on freeways, getting pulled over. Cars get set on fire. Like it's, bro, the video is coming out of Mexico in some of these areas. It's crazy. Did you say that you heard that we're going to get involved? So there's a couple of things.

50:18Adam Schafer:Trump's like, let us do something. And then also they're trying to put forward a bill that will allow the U.S. to hire, I don't know what you would call them, but like private. Mercenaries. I mean, they don't use that term. But that's what that is. So it's like all these retired special forces guys that are at home for it.

50:35Sal Di Stefano:So what would our – Sal, what is our – why would the U.S. get involved in that? What's the desired outcome?

50:41Adam Schafer:Because it spills over, and the cartel, they're responsible for a huge percentage of the drugs that come over the border. And so if you want to stop that, then you need to go after the cartel. But the cartel is wealthy and powerful. Have you seen the pictures of what they own for their military stuff?

51:01Sal Di Stefano:They look more military than the Mexican military looks.

51:05Adam Schafer:Bro, like full body armor, night vision.

51:08Justin Andrews:Hopefully the CIA doesn't fund them this time.

51:11Sal Di Stefano:Thanks, Justin. Just got to put that out there. You got to drop that conspiracy in there.

51:16Adam Schafer:Hey, you want to hear conspiracy theory? Did you hear about the files they dropped? And this was government stuff in the 1950s. I love it when they drop it a million years later, right? Did you hear about what they just dropped, dude? So declassified, they just declassified these CIA files. So these are documents that basically reveal a blueprint to manipulate minds through covert drugging experiments. This was called Project Artichoke. And it ran from 1951 to 1956. It focused on behavior control, interrogation techniques, and psychological manipulation. And they looked at chemicals. How can we use chemicals to manipulate people?

51:57Adam Schafer:How can we put it in the air, put it in water, alcohol, cigarettes? By the way, another thing that we could do is put them in vaccines or injections. This was in, this was literally their plan. Government, CIA documents. This was operating. You can look it up and read it. Many of these files were just stored in the 1970s. So we don't know the full extent of what happened. Finger in eye.

52:21Sal Di Stefano:Is that the same time? What was the other one? MKUltra. Yes. Part of it. Okay, that was part of it. I was going to say, that's right. It sounds like very similar to MKUltra stuff, right?

52:30Adam Schafer:So before, it was before MKUltra.

52:32Sal Di Stefano:Oh, okay. So MKUltra was later. Yeah, so emerging from Project Uber. In other words, never has stopped.

52:38Adam Schafer:No, that's the hilarious part. In other words, it's still going.

52:42Sal Di Stefano:No, man.

52:43Adam Schafer:Isn't it wild? So they were discussing methods for drugging entire populations. Wow. That was our own government, dog. Yeah. Oh, my God. It involved a secret program emphasizing that long-term compounds should be capable of producing an agitating effect, anxiety, nervousness, tension, or a depressing effect, feelings of despondency, hopelessness, lethargy.

53:05Justin Andrews:Yeah, but you're crazy for questioning things.

53:08Sal Di Stefano:Have you guys got any phone calls from friends or family, some of that, like apologizing for how wrong everybody was? No, most of my family, remember, we're Sicilian.

53:17Adam Schafer:We don't trust anybody anyway. So when this comes out, it's like, oh, my uncle. I told you. yeah of course yeah of course we're just they're just naturally skeptical yeah yeah but so i don't

53:26Justin Andrews:have a lot of family well they're still fighting on like the surface stuff and i'm like way over

53:31Sal Di Stefano:here you know yeah i'm curious about all like the like remember all the covet talks about that like how much like how much of this has all came out with that like how many people that were so crazy

53:39Justin Andrews:on that side i think people just like just want to just kind of you know homer simpson their way

53:44Sal Di Stefano:out of that conversation i feel like that's exactly what it's been like for on my side with like anybody that was like that yeah i keep waiting i thought i was so crazy this is all

53:53Adam Schafer:bullshit type of deal during during covid excited during nobody wants to engage yeah they did a huge poll this is the scariest thing i've ever seen they did a huge poll of registered voters uh and it was uh democrats so they vote they they did a huge poll over 60 so majority supported uh taking people's children away if they refuse to vaccinate. A majority of people polled during COVID were like, yes, take their kids away. They need to vaccinate. Can you believe that? I can't. You better believe they're Homer Simpson. That's where I put my tinfoil. You can find the poll. People don't believe me.

54:33Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, look at that poll up. Imagine being that person that voted that and then all this stuff comes out about it. You were so quick to say would have voted for something like that in a time that was completely manufactured by a bunch of fuck. Yeah, like crazy, dude. Yeah. Crazy.

54:50Adam Schafer:I know. Remember the pictures of people who were like, they'd have like big plastic like walls where you could put your arms through. Yeah. And then that's how they'd visit each other with that. The silliness of it. Or the pictures of the bands. The bands. With the masks on, but they had the opening so they could play their flute. So stupid. What?

55:08Justin Andrews:So many inconsistencies. Just so stupid. No brain. Just no thinking. Did you find the poll, Doug? I did. They say it's 29%, but then who knows if that's real or not.

55:20Adam Schafer:If it's 5%, that's crazy.

55:23Sal Di Stefano:Okay. Well, that's a little more. Poll did not show. Okay, so it wasn't 60%, bro. So there's only 30 % of people that are - Scroll down, click show more, Doug. Wacky. To see - Oh, 29 % said temporary removing parents' custody. That's right.

55:39Adam Schafer:59 % supported confining them to their homes. 50, yeah, fines for the unvaccinated.

55:47Justin Andrews:That's crazy.

55:48Adam Schafer:Here's another one. 45 % favored allowing governments to force the unvaccinated into designated facilities. So relocation. What? Yeah. 48 % favored imprisonment. And these people call everybody else Nazis.

56:01Justin Andrews:Yeah.

56:02Adam Schafer:Who publicly questioned the efficacy of the vaccine. Almost 50 % said, yeah, yeah, we'd like to. Well, this is why, I mean, this is, I mean, what's that?

56:09Sal Di Stefano:What's the statistic on the, what people, people would trade freedom for safety all day long yeah yeah that's crazy i know it's like give me you would trade freedom for safety like that that is crazy to me and what's that old quote if

56:21Adam Schafer:you trade freedom for safety you get neither yeah yeah you end up with neither one i think so i know i know president i know anyway i gotta tell you guys my buddy i have a buddy who uh like you adam i would say like you if something doesn't taste good he's not gonna take it yeah so i got him the legion peanut butter cup protein yeah bro he's he called me yeah he's like is this really protein yeah he's like this is the most delicious i can't believe this is protein yeah yeah i've

56:48Justin Andrews:never i've never had it you guys haven't uh as i say you don't you don't you don't do you guys have the peanut butter one that's our go-to yeah it's so good it's like yeah it blends so well and like yeah they're tripping out they're like what else are you putting in here and a lot of times it's just ice and and we just blend it up wow i mean i wasn't using the peanut butter but that's

57:05Sal Di Stefano:what i was using when you saw me this morning when i was making my greek yogurt that's i put a scoop of the vanilla the vanilla way in a greek yogurt makes the greek yogurt taste amazing even better oh yeah and then it boosted an extra what 26 or whatever grams of protein so i can't have i can't

57:20Adam Schafer:have dairy but i do their egg protein and their egg protein is really good yeah it's really good

57:24Sal Di Stefano:the vanilla is really really good yeah yeah no no mike's got it mike's got a nail yeah you know i I meant to ask him, remind me when we get off to hit him up. I keep my Legion protein bars right down below me right here. And I just got the new box. And the chocolate chip cookie dough one that I always eat is totally different. The texture. So he's changed some sort of a formulation. Is it better? Oh, yeah. It's way better. They used to be kind of like hard. Okay. And it's like a real soft texture now. So I'm super curious to what he did different. Have you had one lately? I haven't, no. Oh, yeah.

57:58Sal Di Stefano:So you'll have to try one.

57:58Adam Schafer:Justin, you eat the cookies. all the time. Yeah.

58:01Sal Di Stefano:I don't know why I have a thing for them too. The cookies? Yeah, yeah.

58:04Justin Andrews:I think it's just in the form, you know, because it's a cookie,

58:07Sal Di Stefano:but it could just be a bar. To be honest, I don't even like them. I still eat them like crazy.

58:12Adam Schafer:I do. Worst commercial.

58:15Sal Di Stefano:I mean, they don't taste like a cookie. They taste more like a protein bar, you know what I'm saying? But there's something, you know what it is? It's got to be psychological. It reminds me of a cookie. Yeah. And I know too, it's a little less grams of protein than the protein bar, but I still choose to eat the cookie all the time. And it's like, I know I don't like it more than the protein bar. I've got both right here. I have the cookie and I have the bars right here. And I eat the cookies all the time. Their shakes are way better.

58:37Justin Andrews:But yeah, it's convenient.

58:39Sal Di Stefano:I think there's something there. I think there's like, because I'm aware that I have both there. The protein bar has got a little bit more protein, so even better. I'd rather have that. It tastes better. But you like the cookie. But I still eat the cookie. Yeah. Because it's a cookie. What is that? I have no idea. I have unlimited access to both. and so yet

58:58Justin Andrews:I was a big cookie guy growing up I think that's my treat

59:03Sal Di Stefano:I think that's what it is I think there's a psychological thing of that like it makes me feel like oh I still get to have cookies every once in a while I know I'm dead serious look at me it's got protein because people have asked me like hey do you really like that I'm like no I don't really like it that much actually I mean just being honest it's not like my favorite thing of all they got a ton of great stuff it's not my favorite like I love their cereal I love their boxes how many of you guys

59:24Justin Andrews:our cookie sales went down how many sponsored

59:26Adam Schafer:How many times have we had a sponsor write in to us to be like, yeah, Adam, you shouldn't say that. It's great, but it tastes like crap. Take the taste test. Adam's actually said that. I'm not going to say what the sponsor was. We're not with them anymore, but I remember we had a commercial with them. They were so mad.

59:43Justin Andrews:I like that Ketone IQ leans into that.

59:46Adam Schafer:Yeah. Oh, they do. Although it doesn't taste that bad.

59:49Justin Andrews:They've improved their formulation.

59:50Sal Di Stefano:Listen, exogenous ketones. Yeah, but if you lie and say it tastes amazing or you'll enjoy it. It's tolerable.

59:56Adam Schafer:old exogenous ketones tasted like jet fuel, like actual gasoline. Well, that's what kept me from really using it

1:00:02Sal Di Stefano:was the experience I had with it originally. But it has gotten... You could light your breath on fire. It still is not good, right? It still doesn't... You're going to drink it for flavor. I can't sip on it like a Celsius. I ain't doing that. You shoot it because it's not... It doesn't taste good. But there is a significant difference between the way they taste now versus what they tasted before, for sure.

1:00:22Adam Schafer:You were a big cookie guy, huh, when you were a kid? I was a big cookie. Cookie Monster. Were you crunchy or soft cookies?

1:00:28Justin Andrews:I actually liked the fresh baked cookies, the chocolate chip. I'd always pester my mom to make me some chocolate chip cookies. Soft and gooey. Yeah, but I would steal my dad's Oreos. He would hide them. He was funny, dude. He would always buy things just for himself, and he'd try and hide them, and then he'd get pissed off if you found them. I'm like, why don't you just buy more so we can all do the same thing that you're doing? But I would find them, and me and my brother would be sneaking and grabbing his cookies and eating them.

1:00:57Adam Schafer:Oreo cookies are the preferred treat for children with food allergies. You guys know that? What? Yeah. It's like allergen-free. I know this because I have family members with lots of food allergies. Oreos? And Oreos are like - Because it's not food? Yeah, I know.

1:01:12Justin Andrews:You can light it on fire, and it's like fire-retardant. Because there's nothing food about it? Is that why?

1:01:16Adam Schafer:Have you seen that?

1:01:18Sal Di Stefano:You could look it up. I mean, literally, it's not food. Is there nothing food about it? I'm not proud I ate all this.

1:01:23Adam Schafer:When you're around kids with food allergies and they bring out treats, like 10 out of 10 times, Oreos is going to be a thing. Yeah, they could probably eat plastic and not have any food allergies.

1:01:32Sal Di Stefano:I think that's what's going on. It's not real.

1:01:36Adam Schafer:That's because there's no dairy, egg, or peanuts.

1:01:38Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

1:01:39Justin Andrews:What food is in lard? It's lard and sugar. I don't think it's lard. It's not even that just lard. No, I think look up what is an Oreo.

1:01:49Sal Di Stefano:I thought it was lard.

1:01:50Adam Schafer:There is nothing real about it. There's no animal lard in there.

1:01:52Justin Andrews:I think it tastes better, but it was.

1:01:54Adam Schafer:Oh, yeah. No, it's vegetable oil stuff.

1:01:57Justin Andrews:Wow. Yeah, dude.

1:01:59Adam Schafer:I know this because, like I said, I have family members. Unbleached, enriched flowers. Palm canola oil. See? There you go. There's not a single animal product in there. Lame. High fructose corn syrup. Come on, Oreo. Make some lard. Did you guys like the double stuffed ones, or you guys stick to the traditional? Yeah, double stuffed.

1:02:13Sal Di Stefano:Do you know what a, like, talk about a cool business, like, marketing. I would love to see. Look up Oreos, like, Comeback or, like, business ups and downs. They did a thing that I don't know if you guys, there's people that collect Oreos because they run limited runs of certain flavors. Certain flavors, yeah. And so they did the most brilliant thing. They created scarcity around types of.

1:02:40Justin Andrews:Yes.

1:02:41Adam Schafer:I had those. So there's Oreo, Cakesters, Confetti Cake, Thins Chocolate, Ganache. What? And Minnie's peanut butter, Justin? Oh. Oh, that's. So they have all kinds. They have.

1:02:55Sal Di Stefano:I'm like dying right now. This is just an thing. I mean, we know somebody who collects them and actually freezes them and stores them. Has like 100 plus. What are you going to do with them? It's like they become like collector type things. Why? What are you going to do with them? It's a thing, dude. You probably watch Mad Max and they're like. I'm telling you guys right now. You have to look it up. There's all these. limited runs of flavors. They probably lost forever.

1:03:23Adam Schafer:See, now that pulls up all the weird flavors. I didn't know that. Interesting. That's weird. You know what people don't do with Oreos anymore? Eat them with milk. That's not a thing anymore.

1:03:35Justin Andrews:Kit Kats have a lot of weird flavors. In Japan, they have really weird ones.

1:03:42Adam Schafer:Oh, Japanese people love the Japanese culture loves Kit Kats. Ask Doug. With wasabi. Oh, bro. Yeah, it's like wasabi, yeah. There's like sauce flavored.

1:03:50Sal Di Stefano:I want you guys to see all these Oreo flavors. There's literally like a hundred. Maybe they took notes from that. Yeah, I don't know.

1:03:57Adam Schafer:Doug, do you remember Kit Kats in Japan? Yeah.

1:04:00Justin Andrews:Yeah, they're popular. Yeah. In fact, I was at the World Market the other day. They had a bunch of them from Japan there. They're like shrimp flavored. Shrimp flavored.

1:04:14Adam Schafer:That's so gross. They always have shrimp-flavored something. Yeah. Like, they have shrimp-flavored crackers and chips. Yeah, ramen. Yeah. I would never eat a shrimp-flavored treat. What? Yeah, what is that? What is going on? Yeah, look at all those weird flavors, dude. That's nothing. That's not even.

1:04:29Sal Di Stefano:I would have Googled how many total Oreo flavors have there been. That might be a way to do it.

1:04:34Adam Schafer:Okay, so here's what I'm going to do. The Reese's Con. I don't know about you guys, but I'm going to do the peanut butter one. For sure, I'm going to try the peanut butter one.

1:04:39Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. I didn't even know that existed. They have, like, red velvet cake. They've done birthday confetti. they've done like how many over 240 collab i'm in see so i so i what why i brought it up was because uh you know when we were kids oreos were a thing like that but then they kind of fell out of favor it wasn't like a thing that you hear about all the time but they've recently in the last i want to say handful of years i don't know the exact timing have exploded on the scene again and i i think it's due to they started coming out with all these like limited flavors and additions which caused all this crazy buzz in social media posting and talking about it.

1:05:13Sal Di Stefano:And so I'm just curious of how it did to the business. Was it trending a certain way, and then all of a sudden it just exploded? Who owns them? What stock? What are they under? Is it Nabisco? Is it Nabisco? I think it's Nabisco. And then Nabisco is owned by a bigger one, isn't it? Yeah. It falls under one of those. Monsanto.

1:05:31Justin Andrews:They're actually owned by Mondelez or Mondelez International.

1:05:35Adam Schafer:It's a spinoff from Kraft Foods. Oh. Yeah, they used to be Nabisco, but now they're owned by, well, I think there's like two food companies that own everything.

1:05:44Sal Di Stefano:No, the others. Oh, yeah. That's why I was asking. They're normally owned by one of the big ones that owns, like, you know, 50 of the brands.

1:05:51Adam Schafer:You know what sucks? This happens all the time. A healthy food company will get bought out by the large company, and without telling consumers, they'll change the ingredients.

1:05:59Sal Di Stefano:That just happened with somebody was just telling me about that when I was eating something.

1:06:04Adam Schafer:Oh, was it those chips? No, not those chips. They make like gluten-free siete. Was it siete? Oh, no. You know what it was? Oh, no. It was my toothpaste. Tom's?

1:06:15Sal Di Stefano:Yes.

1:06:16Adam Schafer:They bought out by someone?

1:06:17Sal Di Stefano:Yes. Oh. Yes. Tom's got bought out by one of the big ones, Crest or one of those other ones like that, and then they reformulated. Wow. Yeah, yeah. Sneaky.

1:06:25Adam Schafer:Now they sprinkled COVID vaccine in there.

1:06:27Sal Di Stefano:I have no idea. I have no idea what I got, but I was a fan of Tom's for the longest time, and then they ended up getting bought out, and someone's like, yeah, you know they changed the formulation. They do.

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1:07:27Justin Andrews:First question is from Sweezy for Real. Bill, is adding daily calisthenics, 100 push-ups, pull-ups, squats, etc., on top of a MAPS training program overdoing it? Probably. So maybe.

1:07:40Sal Di Stefano:Depends, one, how you break it up, and two, what program?

1:07:42Adam Schafer:Of course, depends on the person and all that stuff. But here's the deal. When we write a program, we write it with the intention that this is what the person's going to do as their primary form of exercise. Yeah. Now, we, of course, being active on top of it with, like, walking, hiking, maybe some cardio, totally fine. but when we write a strength training program we write it and the intentions are that's what this person's going to do and they're not going to do anything else now I could pick programs where doing more would be more appropriate than other programs like you're not going to do MAPS aesthetic and then drop a bunch of calisthenics but you know like a MAPS 15 program if you've got good recovery you could do that you could definitely add it to some of our programs but if you get a MAPS program that's how we write them we write them with this is what your workout is

1:08:27Sal Di Stefano:I mean, it's good you brought this question up because we haven't said this in a long time. We used to say it a lot when we first started because this was actually really common. We get a lot of people be like, hey, I want to do this. I want to do that. How much cardio do you do this? I actually remember being like, we would get frustrated with like, follow the program. So what we tend to recommend to people is like, follow the program exactly how it's laid out. And then we modify, tweak, add, do things like that. Second time around. Yeah, second time around. That's the best way to do something like this.

1:08:52Sal Di Stefano:And so if you have a question like, because here's the truth. with like uh the answer could be yes could be no could be depends it's it's it and it could be yes right now because where you're currently at in your life or no later on depending on what's going on inside of your life so there's so many variables that make this uh a possibility or not a possibility the best thing to do is to to trust the programming and that we kind of know what we're doing follow it the way it's laid out and then if you want to make tweaks to it then make tweaks with it. Then you have an idea of what it's like to follow it exactly as laid out and what happens when you add or take away or change things and you can go like, oh, that improved it.

1:09:29Sal Di Stefano:Or, oh, wow, I got less results this time. That's the way to go about it.

1:09:33Justin Andrews:Next question is from Brad Barber. Would grade eight be a good program for a 40-year-old doing BJJ?

1:09:41Adam Schafer:Of all the strength training programs, either the Mass 15 or the grade eight, I think the grade eight would be the best yeah uh because one movement one lift a day and then you do your everything else is sitting around brazilian jiu-jitsu oh yeah i guess you think like again

1:09:54Justin Andrews:this kind of reflects a little bit of when we had cory schlesinger on totally where it's like you know in season training so if you think if you're um you know if you're doing a sport even if it's like you're just going to practice consistently and you're not in season or you're in season you know that type of format is perfect for that yeah i'm glad you took this we get a lot of bjj

1:10:15Sal Di Stefano:questions with our programs with that. And I actually didn't think about grade eight as being like a nice compliment to somebody who's doing something like that.

1:10:22Adam Schafer:It's great. This is how, I mean, I've trained clients like this. And the other option is to do a few lifts one day a week, but this is even better where you do one lift a day, even better.

1:10:32Justin Andrews:Next question is from Not Not A. What is the most important thing when it comes to sleep? Sleep length, sleep quality, same wake time, same bedtime, leading up to bedtime, waking up routine, for example, exposure to sunlight to help with circadian rhythm and any other factors.

1:10:49Adam Schafer:So the two most important, uh, yeah, quality and length. Okay. So those are two, you can't get around those. Now, if you want to improve those, the single biggest impact you can make, uh, is going to bed at the same time and waking up at the same time that, that of all the things you can do, of course, uh, you know, not talking about the crazy, right? Like drinking coffee before you go to bed or sleeping in a room with disco music playing or something crazy like the the if you go to bed at the same time i'm just thinking like someone's like oh cool

1:11:20Sal Di Stefano:case there's somebody out there doing that case there's somebody out there that's trying to fall asleep to disco music stop that maybe stop the disco no way to sleep with that music you gotta

1:11:30Adam Schafer:dance dude no but you have to it's it's of all the things that you hear people talk about that improve your sleep that's the biggest one is you go to bed at the same time wake up at the same time every single day that'll have the best impact across the board i mean if you've been listening

1:11:45Sal Di Stefano:to my journey the last couple months i've been talking quite a bit about this and i'm tracking it diligently and uh i mean i was just i was expressing my frustration last night that i to katrina that and i haven't checked my score today but because part of that's because i know it's not going to be great because i didn't go to bed on i didn't that i the preparing for it like you prepare for a workout or you prepare prepare to start your day every day by brushing your teeth showering doing all the things that you do to start your day treating your bedtime like that and as much as i know that the hardest part is actually doing it consistently all the

1:12:21Adam Schafer:time it's just like what was it was a tv would you were watching a show just her and i were up

1:12:26Sal Di Stefano:talking and then she was watching her office on her phone and i can hear laughing and i'm laying in bed and so it's like not like i'm blaming her or anything like that i was up late talking to her two we at least weren't watching tv but we were just up we were up we were up till 10 45 uh when i finally said to shut it down and then she on top of that watched tv on her phone for a little bit before she went to bed and uh the combination of that meant i didn't get to bed till like 11 30 which is i know if i'm not attempting to be in bed by 9 30 and like like really shut everything down by 10 i it messes i don't get the best i can get okay but optimal is having a like a discipline routine of like i shut the dinner down by 6 37 at the latest um no more tv by by nine o 'clock and then if i'm shutting all lights everything dark by 9 30 like and i and i actually can do that

1:13:18Adam Schafer:days in a row i'm well the thing that messes people up is they'll think uh well i can get eight hours of sleep if i go to bed late and sleep in technically that's true but then it's not the same it throws off your circadian rhythm so that when you try to get back on and typically happens friday night saturday night and then sunday comes around you got to wake up early monday morning and without realizing you've jet lagged yourself yeah you just changed your circadian

1:13:44Sal Di Stefano:it's not the same which takes a couple days to get back i have plenty of time to sleep i don't have to i don't have to get up super early right we don't get here overly early or anything like that so i have plenty of time to sleep in but i've literally figured out that i have to prepare and be consistent about that time. And I have enough length and time, but that my quality isn't as good unless I do those things and be consistent about those things. I disrupt it, it makes a difference.

1:14:07Justin Andrews:Next question is from Kristen Strauser. Have any of you used BPC-157 and TB-500? You have a rain stack.

1:14:17Adam Schafer:Best peptides that exist in my opinion. It's the best combo I've ever used. When you use them both together, so today if you get BPC, BPC, they have a better version. Especially if you go through like mphormones.com. This is FDA regulated pharmacies. It's not research chemical stuff where you don't know what's in there. They'll give you something called pentadeca-argonate, which is essentially a better form of BPC. And then TB500, or you'll get thymus and beta, which is the longer amino acid chain. TB500 is an isolated part of it. But that combination for recovery is the best. Muscle quality. I get this look to my body that's different.

1:14:59Adam Schafer:I get, I almost, I feel like I get leaner on it. And I've been talking with some friends about this. And it upregulates the growth hormone receptors on the body. So now it's like you've got enhanced fat burning effects. It's the best of all the peptides that I've used. And there's a lot of great ones. That combination is my absolute favorite. It's been the most impact for me.

1:15:21Sal Di Stefano:for sure. I've been injured multiple times and used it and had injuries that I've done before. And what I've distilled it down to is it cuts recovery time in half. And anybody that I've put on it or introduced it to that has experienced it has noticed the same thing, the two of those. It's an unbelievable combination. And of all the peptides that exist and i've tried most all of them it's the one that i like feel see a difference yep like it's it's like there's not like a i think i feel this or oh i felt a little like it's yeah it's a it's a difference you notice the tb500 or the thymus and beta knock down the inflammation and you recover at a significantly faster rate totally mphormones.com is if you're interested in something

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