2813: Pilates for Aesthetics? What Actually Builds a Sculpted Body

17:42Adam Schafer:So you could look at like an ice skater or a ballerina and be like, whoa, I want to look like that. It must be their training. No, I mean, part of it, but a lot of it is their genetics and they were built to do that thing. So Pilates sells well to women. It does. And when you watch people do, if you watch a woman, same woman, lifting weights or doing Pilates to the average woman the one that same woman same look same leanness same muscle right one she's over here she's dead lifting squatting overhead pressing over here she's doing Pilates on a reformer to a lot of women it's gonna be much more attractive to see her do it on the reformer because it looks well it looks more what I would what they may think is feminine yeah it's a little more feminine that's right I you know I want to do I'm going

18:24Sal Di Stefano:to defend Pilates because I will say this I love Pilates to complement a great strength training program sure i somebody who end of range stability it's great yes so i love a two to three day a week strength training routine with a one day a week pilates routine great awesome i had lots of clients awesome like this is normally where i took somebody that said but i love it that's right i love i want to look like this but i also want to do yes i love it it feels so good i like my class i like my teacher it feels so good when i do it and i'm like rad let's keep doing it let's do it once a week and then the other two days a week let me strength train 100 and then i'm going to give you that body that you you love and then you get to still do that thing you also really enjoy too you can have both but doing it through pilates good luck you know good luck you know i'm saying you're if you're trying to obtain a look which is most people and if you're not that person did not that's not who we're talking to because well there's a lot there's a

19:26Justin Andrews:lot of uh benefit and of a variability of movement and i think that you know that's something that you can incorporate activities and like hobbies and like you can figure out how to factor that in your schedule but in terms of the training the core of your training and what your goal is in term if it's a static or performance driven you have to really factor that in is this is the biggest mover i can i can sprinkle in my activities and hobbies and i'll throw i'll throw a wrench in

19:55Adam Schafer:this uh if someone loves pilates so much that that's the only way they're gonna be consistent with any exercise and we're preaching strength training like i hate it yeah and if i did it i just won't do it and i won't exercise yeah you know i'm gonna tell you to do stick to it stick to it uh keep doing it then yeah uh but of course but that's not the point the point i'm trying to make is if you're doing it to achieve a look you're it's a there's a much faster better way

20:20Sal Di Stefano:well you're you're at so i want to add to that um because that's let's let's let's play that client conversation i'll say but know that you're at the mercy of what it can do that's right so the limitations exactly it's limited strength training is not no i mean you not in that way No. I mean, you can keep changing sculpting. I mean, it's one of the things I love to communicate on here is that I've talked openly on the show many times about my physique has been from 180 to 230, and I've looked different, good and bad, at every weight along the way. I mean, that's crazy, but that's because of strength training.

20:59Sal Di Stefano:because of weight training you at all different weights you could have all different looks but depending on how you're you're training and sculpting the body that's rad there's no there's

21:10Adam Schafer:nothing else no other modality could do that also for you know i'll just say this because i had this experience this morning i was at the gym this is my cardio week so i'm just uh using the elliptical which is hilarious by the way you said you suggested a video no bro that's like your thing we have to do i'm making gifts just the up and down you know just the up and down motion yeah i'm like oh god but anyway i'm on the elliptical i'm going listen to my book and uh in front of me uh there was a older guy i would guess uh probably in his late 60s on the recumbent bike and uh i mean he's going slow but he's trying to move he's trying to exercise yeah and i was on uh the elliptical for like 35 minutes or so this guy probably around 30 minutes so he gets up before i'm done he gets up and he's just man he's having a tough time standing up and he stands up and then he kind of walks real slow first off i'm like in my head i'm thinking like i'm proud of you man for doing some exercise but then the other part of me is like my friend you're doing the recumbent bike but what you need is strength you sat on this bike and pedaled which is better than nothing it's way better than sitting at home so i'm proud of you but i'm watching you get up out of that chair i'm watching you walk you have a hard time getting up and it's it's what you need is strength dude that will change your life this bike better than nothing but it's not going to change your life if he just strength trained one day a week if he did three exercises at his age with his condition from what i saw three exercises once a week that's it three he would it would blow his mind yeah he would get out of that chair so much faster within months versus coming in every day and doing that little recumbent bike the whole time all right so i can't wait to take it i had I've been waiting and holding this story in since this morning, dude.

22:50Adam Schafer:What a crazy experience. You're hyping this up, dude.

22:54Sal Di Stefano:This is yesterday? This was yesterday.

22:56Adam Schafer:And at the gym? No, it's at home.

22:57Sal Di Stefano:Oh, it's a home workout.

22:58Adam Schafer:So I get home, and my son wanted to shoot the BB gun in the backyard. So we have a big backyard. So we go back there, set up a table, and him and I are shooting the pellet gun, and we're shooting cans. Cans are full of soda. So you hit them, they explode. And we're just having all this fun, right? We're shooting. and he's got really good aim, by the way. It's pretty incredible. This five-year-old kid, man, he's like 80 % of the time hits the can. So anyway, we're out there shooting, and, you know, it's like at this point, now it's like 545, almost 6 o 'clock, time to go inside for dinner. So I fold up the table, and I got – don't push play on that yet, Doug.

23:37Adam Schafer:Don't push play on that yet, dude. So I'm walking in with the table. Oh, you got the video from your nest? Hold on a second. Okay. So I'm walking in with the table and the gun. Yeah. Okay. So I'm walking back and I hear my wife come out the side of the kitchen door screaming, Sal, fire, fire. And I see smoke a little bit. So I, right, take off alongside the house, run in. What she had done is she had put taco shells on a pan in the oven to warm them up, but she had it on broil. so i guess it caused a fire inside the stove really yeah it caught the taco shells yeah and they were on fire and it was flaming up in there and so i run in and i see the fire in the stove in the oven but luckily she had turned it off it had come down i was able to grab them with the oven take it out it was a whole ordeal it was a whole ordeal apparently i didn't hear she had been calling for me but we were way in the back my niece had run outside you know she was there so they were panicking because my wife said she opened the oven a couple times and like the flame came out and she closed it so and she had the fire extinguisher ready to go so we all come down so then i'm retelling the story uh we're sitting down i get i open the doors the windows because it's full of smoke everything comes out fire department even shows up oh my god because we have we have an alarm system that that alerts the fire oh and they were such cool guys dude they they pulled up i walk outside they're like smells good i'm like dude i'm saying taco shells so So I shook everybody's hand.

25:07Adam Schafer:I'm like, I appreciate you guys coming. We're all good. But anyway, so now everybody's calm. We sit down and I'm like retelling the story. And I'm like, man, I'm like, I heard you yell my name out. I'm like, I'm like impressed that I could still run.

25:20Sal Di Stefano:That's what you're impressed with. So my wife's like,

25:23Adam Schafer:wow, you really? So that's two weeks of cardio. So yeah, I took off, dude. So, and we're talking like, Hey, I want to see.

25:30Sal Di Stefano:Oh God. I want to see. Yeah. In your head. Hey, in your head, In your head, it was real fast. You called it, bro. You called it. Let me see the video. Hey, watch the surveillance. I can't wait. I can already picture it. He's like, man, that was lightning fast. I just want to guess.

25:45Adam Schafer:In my head, bro, I was such a hero, dude. Let me see. No, watch the video, dude. Did you watch it right now?

25:51Sal Di Stefano:I did.

25:51Adam Schafer:Let me see it. Let me see it.

25:53Sal Di Stefano:I already know. You got to rewind it.

25:54Adam Schafer:In your head, you're like, yeah, bro, I got there.

25:57Sal Di Stefano:I got there.

25:58Adam Schafer:Okay, watch, watch. Look, ooh.

26:04Adam Schafer:Hey, listen. I trotted to a rescue bro. So my wife pulls up the video, the recording, and she's in her head. She tells me afterwards because we watched together. Bro, we were on the floor dying. She goes, by the way, you explained it. She goes, I thought you took off like a rocket ship. No, dude. You know what it looks like? It looks like I drop things. And then I go, da, da, da. I'm coming. Yeah. I will be there slowly.

26:34Justin Andrews:probably better that way though you would have probably pulled you didn't pull something

26:40Sal Di Stefano:because that that's normally what happens in a situation so we have cameras all around the house

26:45Adam Schafer:so we're like and there's like i have a video of me walking out with the pan you know smoke coming out of it and my niece she's she said she was yelling fire bro we watched her come out and i'm like bro you sound like you were calling your dog like your dog's name fire she's like fire fire like nobody can respond to that

27:04Justin Andrews:dude it's hilarious bro in my head

27:08Sal Di Stefano:I've been there I've been there you know what this reminds me of

27:13Adam Schafer:that was the slowest thing I've ever seen

27:15Sal Di Stefano:so you remember a nice little stroll you remember when I tore my pack year before last it's been two years now almost two years since I tore my pack wakeboarding uh you know i hadn't been out in a while and i'm with a family that like they they've only had a boat and tower for so long i've been riding since i was a kid so like that so everybody gets all excited for for me to go out and go ride and stuff like that and i'm like warming up and doing my thing and stuff like that feeling myself and my son's watching and my wife's videoing and stuff like that and i'm like and i and i hadn't i haven't ridden and really jumped on time and i hit my I first jump and I'm just like, yeah, you know what I'm saying?

27:54Sal Di Stefano:And I come back in and I see the video. Yeah, it's like a quarter to the size I thought. You know what I'm saying? I swore I was 20, 30 feet in the air. You know what I'm saying? It was like four feet.

28:04Adam Schafer:You know what I'm saying? But my body felt like, oh, yeah, I was up there. You know what I'm saying? I'm telling you, bro, the way I was selling it to everybody, I'm like, oh, man, I'm surprised I had dropped and I took off. I heard you calling me. You know, in my head, I'm like, yeah. Yeah, we watched the video. I'm like, bro, is that slow motion? Did you hit regular speed? What's going on?

28:25Justin Andrews:That was your turbo, dude.

28:26Adam Schafer:I sent it to my whole family, bro. We were all, everybody was laughing. I knew that was coming the way you were sitting at the table.

28:31Sal Di Stefano:I was like, oh, God, I've been there before. You think, and it's like, that's it. I think you're so awesome. Hey, you know what's so funny? It's like, I think it just keeps going like that. You know what I'm saying? By the time you're 65, 70, it's like, oh, yeah, I was sprinting. It's like, dude, you should have seen me.

28:46Adam Schafer:You should have seen what I did. That was crazy. Well, we got cameras now, everybody. We can now record a great equalizer.

28:54Sal Di Stefano:Dude, last night, I'm in the kitchen. I'm cooking and cleaning and stuff. And I got my jazz music on. We have a little speaker inside there. Hey, Google, play jazz. And Katrina, I'm listening, and I'm doing my thing. And Katrina and Max are in the living room doing their thing. And Max is like, Mommy, this song is sad. And I can hear her in the distance. I'm doing my thing, and I can hear her talking to him. She's like, let daddy listen to his music. He's cooking dinner for us, this and that. And I just hear him go, hey, Google, skip. Skip my soul, you little shit. Dude.

29:44Adam Schafer:I told you guys, my three-year-old, my daughter, when she gets mad sometimes, we call her the incredible sulk, by the way. She gets mad and she's angry. She's angry for a while, dude. So we're just like, all right. But she'll get mad and she'll walk around the house. She'll make this face. And then she'll walk and just knock things off tables and throw things. And we know this. This is like her thing. It's like her thing. She's going to throw things. Well, anyway, she was, I don't remember what happened, dude. She got pissed. She's like, no. And we're like, no, Dahlia, you can't do that. She's like, ugh.

30:12Adam Schafer:And we had a bag with two one-gallon bottles of water in them. So the big gallons. So there's like two of them, right, in the bag. she looks at it and I'm like oh she's gonna try to throw that I'm like go for it right so she gets down she's it's not moving and she's like trying like she's like committed like she has to throw this thing she can't lift it so she finally stops and she like kicks it over walks over walks over we were just cracking up like she's just trying so hard to be a little turkey

30:39Sal Di Stefano:they have to be getting close to that age I'm trying to remember because my godson and godfather they're similar and it's right about now or the next year or so when I remember, and you guys are, your kids are just like his, like the older boy, already kind of a rough and tumble boy, but then it makes the daughter like even more, and I remember when she got strong enough to start wrestling with him on the couch, and so yeah, I don't know if Dahlia's there yet, but before long, she will be, and I remember seeing my little godfather, just whooping up on my godson, who's not like a little softy kid, he's a tough little kid, but his little sister is even tougher dude and it's so funny to watch her like wrestle him and then him cry to mom and

31:23Adam Schafer:dad mom mom oh she's just she's you know she's three so she's super honest she's like um uh you know she what happened we were hanging out and she goes uh papa i like mom a lot more than you i'm like oh okay that's you know i love mom too she goes yeah but i love her i'm like do you love me she goes not now sometimes i'm like wow so you don't love me she goes well i just love mom a lot I'm like, okay, thanks. I guess we'll just keep playing and we'll just take it from there. I appreciate you telling me that, dude. Hey, did you see that we finally have the meat sticks stocked up? Oh, yes.

31:59Justin Andrews:I'm so excited about that. Finally. Dude, I've been having such a hard time getting my lunch consistently. Yeah, why do you? What's wrong with you? I don't know, man. I just like, it's an oversight, you know? Like I've actually been up in my breakfast a lot though. So I think that's probably part of it because I just don't think ahead of time to cover that.

32:20Sal Di Stefano:So you're eating before you leave the studio? Yeah. Oh, okay.

32:23Justin Andrews:Yeah, yeah. I'm more substantially than I was before. Oh, because I don't. But yeah, it's happened too on the weekend when I'm working really hard and then I'm like, oh no. It's like 3, 4 o 'clock and I totally forgot to eat. When you have the meat sticks, are you doing like 3, 4? Yeah.

32:38Sal Di Stefano:Oh, you do. Do you like cramming? What's each one? Nine grams of protein? Is that right? Yeah, about nine grams.

32:45Adam Schafer:I think another six grams or nine grams of fat. It's grass-fed. Do you like the buffalo chicken? That's pretty good. That's my favorite. Yeah.

32:54Justin Andrews:Jalapeno, bro. They stopped making that.

32:56Adam Schafer:Jalapeno is fire. I just ate one. Oh, wow.

32:59Sal Di Stefano:Jalapeno, turkey sausage, and what was it? I like the summer sausage.

33:04Justin Andrews:Because you guys won't eat it.

33:06Sal Di Stefano:I'm like, oh, sweet. That's not the turkey sausage one, then. No. Oh, okay. Summer sausage, I think. And then jalapeno. And then what you got, Doug? How many grams? It's six grams of protein in this.

33:15Justin Andrews:And I'm trying to find the fat. Five grams of fat.

33:18Adam Schafer:Yeah, so it's protein, fat, low calorie.

33:21Sal Di Stefano:So three of those is a nice little 18 grams of protein.

33:24Adam Schafer:And then fermented, meaning that's why they're not dry. Yeah. They actually ferment them all. They're the best healthy beef turkey you can get, for sure.

33:31Sal Di Stefano:Everything else is gross.

33:33Adam Schafer:Yeah. They've totally spoiled the heck. I know.

33:35Sal Di Stefano:I remember before Payload, we had bigger name brands that came after us, and we were just like, yeah.

33:41Adam Schafer:Yeah.

33:42Justin Andrews:I'm not going to eat this.

33:43Adam Schafer:Dude, I got to tell you guys, I was reading an article. Do you know how big – I'll pull up this article. Do you guys know how big of a problem AI therapy is becoming? Oh, still?

33:55Justin Andrews:I mean, I know one or two states regulated that already, right?

33:58Adam Schafer:Dude, they're trying to.

34:00Sal Di Stefano:I thought I saw a percentage of – is it Gen Z that uses it? It's a large percentage use it that way.

34:08Adam Schafer:So this was a study down at a Brown University. This is in Science Daily, so it was published March 2nd. This is what it says. It says, as millions turn to ChatGPT and other AI chatbots for therapy-style advice, new research from Brown University raises a serious red flag. Even when instructed to act like trained therapists, these systems routinely break core ethical standards of mental health care. In side-by-side evaluations with peer counselors and licensed psychologists, researchers uncovered 15 distinct ethical risks from mishandling crisis situations and reinforcing harmful beliefs to showing biased responses and offering deceptive empathy that mimics care without real understanding.

34:47Adam Schafer:So let me tell you why this came up for me. Because I don't use AI like this at all. I don't talk to my AI. My AI is Google. I use my AI like Google, and I have it organize things for me sometimes. But that's it. That's about as far as I go. I was in this group. I won't say too much, but I was in this church group. and the topic came up of loneliness among men. So this is like a, we know this, like middle-aged men in particular just don't make friends very well. Majority of them, if you ask them, who's your best friend and who do you hang out with most? My wife, which is, that's nice, but you should also have a male friendship and the data and studies around that is pretty, it's really, really good.

35:24Adam Schafer:It shows a lot of benefit from having male companionship for men. But anyway, this guy's talking about how we were going around and he's like, I use, I hate to say this, but I use ChatGBT. he's a middle-aged man it's not even a gen z kid he's a dude that's in his 40s and he's talking about how he talks to chat gbt throughout the day like it's a buddy yeah and it's just crazy so i think it's happening it's way more than we realize and it's only gonna get now can you see

35:54Sal Di Stefano:um obviously that's the alarmist negative bad implications can you see any positive to it you can't you can't possibly think it's all net net negative right you can't possibly think that or else that many people i think the positive for ai for that for that purpose only i'm not saying there's obvious reasons why ai is positive no i think there's zero zero benefit to companionship zero that'd be like saying well okay i think companionship is is a is a is a too broad of a stroke to say for everybody who's using it for therapy. For example, let's say you just got in a fight with your wife. Yeah. And it's 10, 11 o 'clock at night.

36:38Sal Di Stefano:You're not calling your best friend, nor you probably would anyways. So you go to your AI and you implement it and you go, here's the argument, here's the thing. And it gives you, how can I see this from her perspective and to better understand where she's coming from. And it gives you a relatively good answer and maybe opens your mind a little bit to, you know. No. You think it's better to stay in your mind. That's like saying, I'll pose a different question to you.

37:08Adam Schafer:There's a guy who's lonely. He's got a high libido. So pornography is better than nothing.

37:13Sal Di Stefano:Wait a second. You just added layers to that complexity that I did not. Let's say exactly what I said. Let's say it's you. Yeah. Okay, and it's late at night. You have a mental block, and you see there's no value of you working that out with an AI tool.

37:32Adam Schafer:No, not like that. I don't. I think it's not just a slippery slope.

37:38Justin Andrews:I wouldn't really trust this advice.

37:39Adam Schafer:Not just the advice, but if I go to you or you with a problem, it's not just the advice I want. It is, but it's also the connection.

37:48Sal Di Stefano:I'm playing devil's advocate right now. Of course. right because it's not like i even use it this way um he's an eating advocate by the way uh good job so uh so because i think sometimes uh some people's friends are toxic and give terrible advice sure uh matter of fact a lot of people operate from a play and this is i mean what do we always talk about is like you're you're you're you're the average of your five circle and some whenever I talk to somebody in their 20s, I'm almost always repeating myself with like, you really need to evaluate the five people you spend this time with. Many of them are friends and attachments you've made through childhood trauma and insecurities.

38:29Sal Di Stefano:There's jealousy involved in there. They act like they want the best for you, but in reality, they only want so good as long as you do good, not better than themselves. So if that's your circle that you seek counsel and advice from, I can't imagine that being that much better than a AI tool that I prompt. Speak to me as if you're Jordan Peterson, and I'm trying to understand my wife here.

38:55Adam Schafer:I think if you want information, the Internet's there, and you can read articles and find information that will help you. But AI poses as a person. It poses as a human, and it creates this false sense.

39:09Sal Di Stefano:I think you're focusing on the dangers and the bad only, and you're not looking through it later. So what's the benefit of the advice? You just use Google. Why use AI? Because you can't prompt that the same way. Why not? And by the way, when you Google now, it is AI, bro.

39:25Adam Schafer:Right, but my point is, why not just get the information? When people use AI, it's conversing with you.

39:31Sal Di Stefano:It's talking with you. You lack the understanding then of the tool very well. Googling it is the long form when you have a calculator. It's you being able to go. If Jordan Peterson was sitting in this room, you could prompt it.

39:47Adam Schafer:But it's not Jordan Peterson.

39:48Sal Di Stefano:It takes from all of Jordan Peterson's work and conversations and then gives you that answer.

39:51Adam Schafer:I could look up the data and information, but to tell it to communicate to me like Jordan Peterson, not good. It is acting like a human, and it is creating a false connection, which is very, very dangerous. And it's causing a lot of problems.

40:06Justin Andrews:I think you're highlighting an interesting way to use it. I think that most, if we're talking about general people that are using it, I don't really think they're going to prompt it in that regard. They're just going to ask it directly. Sure. So I think that's where the problems lie when you become, it becomes its own living force that you're communicating with and developing a relationship with. Yes. And so the relationship of that starts pulling you into using it differently, not like you're mentioning, like Jordan Peterson, like somebody that already has wisdom, authority, you know, within the psychological realm, which is great.

40:48Justin Andrews:I think using it like that would make sense if you have the wit to do that.

40:53Sal Di Stefano:Well, don't you guys believe, too, that part of that is because it's so new, we're still learning how to prompt it and use it correctly. By the way, this is not me arguing. No, I know. No, we're just, we're - I'm probably just as much anti this stuff as anybody is. My point is, I don't think it's fair to only look through the pessimistic, fear-mongering type of lens when we are in a time when this is early adoption. Anything, I mean, the first planes that we tried to fly were very dangerous to try and do that.

41:25Adam Schafer:We were pretending to be a human. Anything that is going to take the place - When we were pretending to be a bird at that time. No, but that's different. Therapy is a tricky one, though, the human psychology. I mean, yeah. It's different. Yeah, it's different. I think it's not good at that. Anything that replaces a human or tries to pretend to be a human is not good. It's dangerous. It's human connection and real human connection is so important to who we are, whether you believe in the spiritual side of things or not. Just look at the secular data. It's very important. And the way people are using it is precisely what you're saying.

41:57Adam Schafer:It is replacing relationships. There was a survey I read there's an alarming amount of people that have already had an ai boyfriend or girlfriend i mean

42:06Sal Di Stefano:you uh juggling knives bad idea you use it to cut your steak pretty smart i i think that you're the

42:12Adam Schafer:way you're painting it is the way i'm well yeah but you're you're you're assuming it's uh what

42:16Sal Di Stefano:is it not possible for the guy who has a very healthy circle of friends in the real world that

42:24Adam Schafer:you're creating like this perfect scenario well you're doing the opposite you're just saying a

42:29Sal Di Stefano:blanket statement of it's all bad it's all dangerous it's all evil I think if you use it for work

42:35Adam Schafer:you use it for programming using it to solve problems I think it's brilliant if it is a friendship or therapy or any kind of human connection substitute

42:45Justin Andrews:to be able to discern that it's giving you good information so that's the part I think I struggle with that

42:52Sal Di Stefano:I agree with that I think that's also part of Justin that's early adoption of anything though I mean we're like and you guys what we're going to crack a couple eggs to make an omelet like you're going to make better versions of it too that there's gonna be better versions and then the generation coming up isn't going to sound like the the bunch of us old old fuddy duddies trying to use it they're they're going to have they're going to know that they're going to be like hey listen these people have decided to use it as a companion look what happened to them bad idea don't use it that way but to problem solve different like and which could be what i just gave as an example my wife and i just got into this argument i am having such a hard time seeing it from a female's perspective or from her side of the argument let me prompt this thing as if it was jordan peterson who's going to then and man that's not a bad tool bro i i think it is anything again it's it's yeah that's where i

43:42Adam Schafer:disagree with you it's acting like a person it's it's uh replacing a human being in that sense but if you're like uh show me the articles you don't have that you i can't call jordan peterson at 10 o 'clock at night of course not but you but i don't think an ai jordan pearson is a good alternative

43:57Sal Di Stefano:you don't think he's better than susan who's jealous of your shoes and your wealth that you've created recently for yourself you think you think she's better to call do you think the state's

44:05Adam Schafer:better to raise kids than parents that aren't perfect i mean we i could create all kinds of weird scenarios where if i paint the parameters and maybe we could create an argument but i'm gonna tell you right now if it's replacing human actual human relationship and connection bad bad bad always always always and even if it if the result sounds good and feels good it leads why can't it be the pilates of strength training we can make it work yeah i'm not advocating for

44:31Sal Di Stefano:pilates full pilates dog but it can compliment your strength i read a study and i i want to

44:36Adam Schafer:make sure i have it right look up what percentage of people have had a uh have admitted to having an ai boyfriend or girlfriend it was a weird study i read and it's actually it's growing i

44:47Justin Andrews:Bro, it's wild.

44:48Adam Schafer:It is growing. It's way more than people realize, and it's only going to get worse. I mean, I don't – But numbers-wise, yeah.

44:54Sal Di Stefano:I wouldn't argue that.

44:56Justin Andrews:If you teased it out, you're going to get outliers, and that's the thing. I think it just needs to be in the conversation, the caution in the guardrails, and this could happen. So the examples of where this has gone sideways instead of just allowing people to figure that out. And a large percentage of people use it precisely for therapy.

45:17Adam Schafer:Every time new technology has come out. Look at this, bro. What? Recent surveys from late 2025 indicate that approximately 19 % to 28 % of U.S. adults have admitted, admitted, these are the ones that have admitted to having intimate or romantic relationship with an AI chatbot. Look at this. Gen Z, 33%. You guys, that's one out of nine, one third of Gen Z. Wow. Is have an intimate relationship with AI. Okay? I'm going to tell you right now, again, no. If it replaces any human type of connection, it's bad. This is the beginning. This is 2025. What do you think it's going to be in 10 years?

45:59Sal Di Stefano:I mean, what did the stats look like when, you know, television first came out? what percentage of those kids when they first start were sitting in front of the television all day long because it was a new technology that's totally different that's totally different my it's totally different it's always totally different because technology is always evolving and changing my argument my point is that there is always a bunch of 45 year old guys nobody was having when something comes out that reads the statistics on something that is so bad this is

46:28Adam Schafer:very specific bro this is intimate or romantic relationship this is not how long are you using it are you using it instead of working out are you on this for this many hours it literally

46:40Sal Di Stefano:specific yeah but doesn't this follow the natural curve of how us human we do a bunch of stupid shit and then we go look at what hopefully we're already seeing the degenerate the next generation coming up start to auto correct itself on social media and that's addictive as shit but you already see you already see like yeah but nobody nobody you guys is young your youngest kids are already becoming aware of the generation above that became zombies on their tech and are going it's cool to not be on there it's cool to not post you're saying that it's gonna get real bad

47:09Adam Schafer:people will figure out maybe yes yes but we've never knew it's so it's so but we've never had anything that's not human that creates what people would label as deep emotional i know but

47:20Sal Di Stefano:there there was always different there's always been an argument that we've never had this thing is what i'm saying sure it is different i hope you're right i don't know but we've always at At every decade and a half, there's always a thing that we've never seen anything like this. And look at how bad they're using it. So your argument is it's going to get worse and then get better? Yes. Maybe. I hope you're right. And maybe we're at peak worse already. Maybe people are already realizing. I don't know. I'll gamble and say no.

47:47Adam Schafer:We haven't seen it in robotic form. Thank you. We're still on your phone, bro. You got a hot-looking robot that does this?

47:57Justin Andrews:I was just watching Westworld again. I started watching this all over again with my kids. And it's really interesting to go through that again because you start to see like, I mean, there was a lot of interesting ideas that they portrayed in there where they collect memories. And this collective memory, like as they go along, it builds this consciousness. And then it almost becomes to the point where it's unstoppable, where it just becomes its own. I will make this prediction right there.

48:25Sal Di Stefano:I'm more worried, Kay, of this utopia that we're chasing than I am this because that will fuel this more than anything else. If we get to a place, which is where we're moving right now, where the robots and AI does all of our jobs, which, I don't know, 80 % of all tech jobs, finance jobs, right now you're all working, training your replacement right now. And every big company is fully aware of that. And so then what happens from there is a mass adoption of these AI tools that enhance these companies, that lays off all these people, that then government has to come and get involved and UBI comes out to make sure everybody can actually live and survive while all these robots now are doing our jobs.

49:14Sal Di Stefano:And then the most dangerous thing happens, which is you get everything you want and you don't have anything to do and you don't have purpose. And then that number right there, of course, explodes. But I think that's far more scary of a thing than that is. I think if the job thing and utopia thing doesn't happen like I'm saying we're chasing, then this autocorrects. This gets to a point where enough kids grow up and realize having a relationship with an AI is dangerous, doesn't lead to having more children. It could very well do that. Yeah.

49:47Adam Schafer:What are the odds that the next civil rights movement is to give rights to AI robots? Because you get 70 % of adults. We've covered everything else. Yeah, you get 70 % of adults who have intimate relationships with AI robots that are humanoid. They're going to vote. They're going to want their companion to have rights. I mean, that's one speculation. But who knows? We're betting on this. Look, this is what we're betting on. we're investing heavily in in-person personal training because i think in the future yeah as people have more available resources because of this highly efficient you know world that we may live in in the future where these robots are gonna do all of our work for us i think there's gonna be enough people are gonna be like man i really first off i have time yeah number two mindset shift i want to i want to exercise and get fit never had the time and the energy when it gives me a sense of purpose so there's a little bit of a sense of purpose there and I want to be around people.

50:46Adam Schafer:And so that's one thing that we're investing in. I mean, I 100 % agree.

50:50Sal Di Stefano:I have no idea what the split is going to be. It's probably going to be like 80-20. I know I've been saying it's going to be split, not like right down the middle. There's going to be the plugged and unplugged, dude. There is going to be people that reject this idea of that. And I 100 % – I even believe to go even further on investing in real estate and all this other stuff that I'd like to pay attention to, I think Justin's style of living and out further from the city is going to be more desirable than in-city. It'll be more expensive. Yes, the city's going to be automated. The city will have all the self-driving cars.

51:28Sal Di Stefano:Efficiency, everything that's the cost. It'll be low cost. And why would you need to live in the city if you're not even working? Exactly. And so having an acre to two acres around and space is going to become where the uber wealthy go. not in the high rise in the building that is, that serves you all. You know, it's wild. And we'll see. And by the way, if we go this direction, you will see it from the city out. It won't start. You won't have rope. People that have five acres, 20 minutes out from the city are not going to be the first people to adopt all the robots. It'll be the people that are inside the city to make all that stuff more efficient.

52:03Sal Di Stefano:That'll drive that cost.

52:04Adam Schafer:If it does work that way where people have more time, things are being done for you. Resources are, you know, things are efficient. you're going to see an explosion of interest in fitness is what you're going to see you saw during covid which is wild during covid gyms were closed and more people because they couldn't work got into fitness uh and so i think it's well there and i think personal in person that in music and

52:30Justin Andrews:art and i do yeah because like if you guys have noticed like so even this summer and then the whole year slotted out i have never seen this mini bands touring like it's insane is it because it's hard to make money now but i don't i think there's interest there i think people they're in there they're selling out like everywhere is selling out for these live events um and i just think that it's an experience people are seeking like real experiences not digital experiences yeah and so i think that i mean that's my speculation on the music the super optimistic view of this

53:06Sal Di Stefano:although I don't think I have this, but the super optimistic view is that this frees up so much time, people realize they lack purpose in their life, and the journey towards that is self-development and growth. And they seek things like spiritual growth, like physical health and things like that because it will give that sense of purpose. I can see that. And the question becomes how long do they have to go down the direction that you're sounding the alarm for because you will have to. It's going to be so alluring. You can't Netflix and fuck your way robots-wise to happiness. That won't happen.

53:48Sal Di Stefano:That could numb you for a short period of time, but you will eventually have to find something that gives you real meaning and purpose.

53:56Adam Schafer:I had this crazy thought of the poor, awkward dude who has no friends, so he goes to the robot bar. and he's hanging out with his AI buddies and they're all just having a great time. He's like, why would I want to do anything else? It's going to be interesting. It's going to be very interesting. But that's what Doug brought up, what Doug pulled up. It's like the blow up.

54:15Justin Andrews:It's the matrix. Bro, it's the matrix.

54:18Sal Di Stefano:Remember the part where he's like, we had to recreate it because it was too perfect. Everybody was happy. They got what they wanted. It was told how pretty. You lost entire crops. Yeah, we have lost entire crops. And so we had to go back and create adversity and challenge. and struggle and all the things.

54:34Adam Schafer:Speaking of trainers and stuff, we have a group. Our school group. For trainers.

54:42Sal Di Stefano:Elite Trainer Academy.

54:43Adam Schafer:It's literally about helping you become a better trainer. You don't work for us. You're in there. And we teach you. We have stuff in there that teaches you. It's a great community. And we're going to have people in there for free for a little bit, right?

54:56Sal Di Stefano:So the way we've created it, and we agreed to do this, is we moved it away from a public platform so we could focus on the development of trainers. We have a full-time educator in there and we dip it in there. We have webinars, all kinds of tools and content that's constantly up there. There's meetings every single week. The goal for us is to level up the next generation of coaches and trainers and to really help them. And it isn't to go huge. It's to really, we can't possibly make 20 ,000 great trainers all at once. And so it's like, we're taking groups of these trainers through and making them really good.

55:29Sal Di Stefano:And so it's an exclusive group, okay? And so it's not public for everybody, but we're opening it for seven days for free just so these people can come in and experience what it's like. During those seven days, we'll have two webinars. One of the webinars is Ann, the educator. She's the one who's going to be doing that. That's more business focused on how to be a great trainer, that side of it. And then the other one is James, who James and Eli run our CRM. So the back end of our business, if you've ever been interested in email marketing and sales funnels and lead generation and how that's all automated to run and scale a business, we have a CRM side of the business.

56:11Sal Di Stefano:And that's a full training on that. Both webinars are completely free. You get seven days into the group to check it out and see what it's all about. But it'll be only open for those seven days. And then we close that off again.

56:23Adam Schafer:It's what, EliteTrainerGroup.com, Doug? Correct.

56:25Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. And it's a school group. incredible platform. We've fallen in love with it. This is now our third group that we've created in there. It really allows us to educate and foster incredible communities. That's why we moved away from Facebook. And we're only going to open it up for the seven days of free for the small window for you to go check out. And both these webinars, if you are an aspiring trainer or already a personal trainer and you want to build and grow your business, these two webinars, the one that Ann is running on the business side and the one that James is running on the CRM side will be paramount to your success.

56:59Sal Di Stefano:I urge you to get in there for free.

57:00Adam Schafer:Speaking of groups, I told you guys we signed up our five-year-old for soccer. Did I tell you guys this? No. So he's going to start playing soccer? First sport.

57:08Sal Di Stefano:Now, did you even have to convince him or was he like, yes, I want to do that?

57:13Adam Schafer:He seemed like he's like, I want to do it. So we'll see. We haven't played yet. We just showed up, got the jersey, met the team. it's this uh this um christian soccer league that my wife found and everybody in there seems super cool uh so he's got his little jersey we got him cleats got him shin guard so he's super excited oh wow so he's all pumped about it we got him a little soccer ball so we'll see we'll see how it's funny because my three-year-old sports ball watches him and she wants to go play soccer which so we'll because they allow three-year-olds but i don't know do you guys have you guys been kicking the ball at home like do you have a setup i mean a little bit not much um so we'll see we'll see how he does we'll see if he if he's uh competitive if he likes you know at that age you know kids are funny they want to go play on the side without you know playing oh i i you you're

57:57Sal Di Stefano:gonna have a kid that's gonna be maybe huh oh the son maybe you can this is the part that like i i like everyone always wants to tell me everybody just because everybody's like you know your son's still young and you'll see it's listen i've been around kids my whole life i'm the oldest five and you can just, you can see what a kid's got it. And really, and the most important part about it is that he - They like it. He'd love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They love it, right? Like, I bet your kid, if you go, let's go outside and go kick the ball, would never say no to him. Yeah, that's true. I can't convince Max to go outside.

58:28Sal Di Stefano:I cannot convince him to do that. I try every day, hey, let's go kick the ball. Hey, we'll go there. No, I'm cool, Dad. No, no, doesn't want to. He had a window of that and then it was gone. Dude, I joke. every once in a while, Katrina got him to do it the other day. She's like, and part of that's because his best friend Julian was over who loves football, soccer, all sports. And they were both over and Katrina said it in front of him and said like, hey, we should go out and keep the third ball. And Julian's like, yeah. And Max was like, okay. And then he came out. Fine. But if he's by himself, yeah, no desire to do it.

58:58Sal Di Stefano:Where I bet your son, anytime you ask that, would be like, hell yes. So that's, I mean, that's.

59:05Adam Schafer:We'll see. We'll see. It'll be fun. It'll be fun to see how he handles losing. he doesn't handle losing very well so we'll see about that so anytime we play games see i love

59:12Justin Andrews:that that's gonna be great lessons that's it you know have you heard me and katrina talk to max

59:17Sal Di Stefano:about like trying to like care about like he's just oh oh daddy you won this time no bro not

59:23Justin Andrews:getting playing time phase the there's people better than me phase it's all great learning oh dude it's so much there it's been so great for both of my kids for sure no we will now when i play

59:36Adam Schafer:a game with him any game i used to just always let him win because it just wasn't worth it if i beat him it was just he was so upset like i'll wait till he's a little older he gets really mad right so now when i play him it's like three to one so i'll win but then i'll let him beat me like two or three times yeah i'll win then i'll let him beat me two or three times uh and he's i'm helping him like be okay with losing because he just gets so pissed yeah but anyway we uh jessica signed up uh for like the snacks like managing the snacks and stuff i can't wait to see what she brings well so she doesn't it's not just bringing it she's also organizing it so she's gonna health nutted or what oh yeah bro of course have you ever seen the snacks some parents oh of

1:00:13Justin Andrews:course yeah i know we did that mainly because of that if it wasn't so egregious you know we wouldn't have done all just like do you have plans for like the first water what do you guys

1:00:22Adam Schafer:well i'm gonna we're gonna we're gonna bring element so i'm gonna have her yeah i mean we're gonna bring a big jug what an awesome yeah water with element with the kids will love the taste It's got the electrolytes in there, especially when it's hot and sunny outside. Oh, yeah, dude. So totally.

1:00:35Justin Andrews:I'm getting all the student athletes involved on Element. Really? Oh, yeah, dude. Your kids drink?

1:00:41Sal Di Stefano:I mean, they're so physical and active. Do they drink it on the regular or what?

1:00:44Justin Andrews:They do. You know, there's certain flavors that we all compete for. And so it's just like, you know, it's gone already. Yeah, grapefruit is definitely one of us. Like my favorite. That one and the black cherry one, those two.

1:00:57Sal Di Stefano:Their new ones, the new skinny ones that they have, the pineapple and the lemonade ones are bomb, too. I mean, I love most all the flavors. You know, the ones I care less are the ones that I think are probably really popular, like watermelon and black cherry, which I think is kind of— They're all right. Yeah, they're good. Yeah, they're not—

1:01:13Adam Schafer:I didn't think I'd like grapefruit. It ended up being our favorite. Oh, that's my favorite. That one won me over.

1:01:17Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, I don't know what it is about that, but the grapefruit— This is refreshing, dude. I'm not even a grapefruit guy. I don't like grapefruit, but the grapefruit— Real grapefruit's gross. You ever eat a grapefruit? I like grapefruit. It's bitter, dude.

1:01:26Adam Schafer:You like actual grapefruit? I like it, yeah. Really? It's bitter. It's bitter to me. It's bitter. Yeah, it has a penny aftertaste. As a kid, I was like, sugar. You know, that used to be a diet food? Yeah. Grapefruit was sold in the 80s as a diet food. Really? Yes, in the morning for breakfast. And so you would see fitness, you know, whoever. Because it left such a bitter taste in your mouth? I don't know why they sold it this way, but it was like running and eating grapefruit in the morning. And you'd see people cut a grapefruit in half. I wonder what the,

1:01:56Sal Di Stefano:I wonder what the, there's gotta be, I bet you're some sort of science. I do remember if you eat it with a spoon.

1:02:00Adam Schafer:There's no science, but there's a, there's a component in grapefruit that slows down.

1:02:03Sal Di Stefano:Maybe because of how high in vitamin C it is. Maybe like what's a.

1:02:06Adam Schafer:It's because it was a weird fruit. Nobody ate. So they popularized. Oh, so you're saying it's like the cancer, acai berry thing.

1:02:12Justin Andrews:That's right. It's like, yeah. Always an exotic fruit out there.

1:02:15Adam Schafer:There is a compound in grapefruit that will slow down the absorption or, or the, the, the clearance of certain medications. You actually have to be careful. Okay.

1:02:22Sal Di Stefano:Well that could be the science of it then.

1:02:25Adam Schafer:content so there you go oh in the 1930s it started the hollywood diet fad wow so it's they claimed it contained an enzyme that burns fat yeah i knew there would be like a science there's always a science angle you want to know what that you want to know what a classic 1980s diet breakfast was half a grapefruit and tang non-fat cottage cheese that was like a very popular common non-fat cottage cheese yeah and eating a grapefruit that was like a thing in the 80s which is weird because i was so young i know this but if you look it up you'll see uh that's

1:02:57Justin Andrews:back back in the tab cola days oh god my mom drink does that brand still exist no i think it may actually what's tab it's like a diet cola it's like yeah it was the first right it was like

1:03:10Adam Schafer:the first female version of coke i think it was i think it was just the women i think it was the

1:03:14Sal Di Stefano:first diet so it was it was it was it was positioned towards women oh yeah oh so no it's

1:03:19Adam Schafer:It's no longer. It was Coca-Cola.

1:03:21Justin Andrews:It was part of Coca-Cola. So I think they made, okay, was Tab.

1:03:25Adam Schafer:What was the first diet soda, Doug? Look that up. I want to say Tab. I think you might be right. I think it was Tab, dude. Really? Yes. And I think that they - Wow, they only just in 2020 discontinued.

1:03:35Sal Di Stefano:They were all the way till 2020.

1:03:37Adam Schafer:Yeah, because all their consumers got - Did they die?

1:03:41Sal Di Stefano:Oh, so actually 1952. Wow. Well, that would be right.

1:03:45Justin Andrews:Like a ginger ale called NoCal.

1:03:48Sal Di Stefano:NoCal? Mm-hmm. Wow. Bro, you're so right. That puts their, what, 76 or so? Yeah. Yeah, so all their consumers passed away.

1:03:58Adam Schafer:They lost their consumers. They had a good run. Yeah, they had a good run. It was a good brand. Wow. What year was Tab? Yeah, so Tab was popular in the 80s. I know that. Yeah. Let's see what it says here. 1963. Wow, way before. What?

1:04:12Sal Di Stefano:Wow. It's super interesting. Crazy. Yep. Wow. Oh, wait. it originated as a Coca-Cola brand. So they didn't buy it like they do most of everything else.

1:04:22Adam Schafer:No, so I think what happened was Coke was afraid to offer a Diet Coke. So they made Tab, and the whole thing was it was a calorie-free soda. Yeah. So it was its own brand.

1:04:34Justin Andrews:Okay. Yep. So interesting.

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1:05:18Adam Schafer:Anyway, try it out. Try it for yourself. See how you like it. Go to fatty15.com forward slash mind pump. And on that link, you'll get an additional 15 % off with a 90 day subscriptions. And with starter kit, you just got to use the code mind pump. Back to the show. First question is from Caroline Ruck.

1:05:37Justin Andrews:What are your thoughts on the high rocks trend? I like it better than CrossFit. It's CrossFit light. I mean, it's conditioning. It's CrossFit light. If you like conditioning, then it seems reasonable.

1:05:49Adam Schafer:They tend to pick movements in combinations that are lower risk of injury. It's still hard. You're still trying to tap into a wide spectrum of ability.

1:06:01Sal Di Stefano:I would say CrossFit was 80 strength training, 20 % cardiovascular. High rocks is the flip. It's a little more cardiovascular focused. And then they don't do Olympic. They don't have high. Yeah.

1:06:14Justin Andrews:Olympic lists. They don't have the high skills. They flipped.

1:06:18Sal Di Stefano:They flipped it a little bit more on the cardio side. And then that's really what they did.

1:06:23Adam Schafer:It's interesting, right? That there's these competitions that are athletic, but they're not. It's like exercise. It's weird to me.

1:06:31Justin Andrews:It's always been weird to me. I don't know. Cause I guess I just, I've always used exercising to perform better. That's right. That's right.

1:06:39Sal Di Stefano:It's also, I mean, you always have to understand the perspective that we come from when we answer something like this, too. Because I don't hate high rocks. I don't hate CrossFit. It's just that 90 % of the people that we ever talk to or ever have to help or get callers or questions or emails, which is over the course of our career, it had now been millions, are people that want to change their physique. They want to look a certain way. they want to lose body fat percentage um that and these modalities are not the best strategy doesn't fit in that goal long term for that you know what i'm saying it's a it's a it's a fun thing to do when you're in your 20s and early 30s and you like to challenge yourself and you and your buddies do awesome cool but uh the client who comes that which is ever almost everybody that says i want to look this way i want to lose body fat i want to build muscle it's just it's just not

1:07:36Adam Schafer:the right tool that's right you know for it and it's not it's not like a workout it's a competition

1:07:41Sal Di Stefano:yeah and it's not it's not sustainable like if like if the goal for you is just to be this healthy fit strong looking person for the rest of your life uh competition based strength training uh is is not the the approach could it serve a place in a in a in a block of time in your life Sure, why not?

1:08:03Justin Andrews:Next question is from Healthy But Make It Fun. Is MAPS Anabolic Advance good to run on a cut? What would be an alternative? I just ran Aesthetic. We always get this.

1:08:13Adam Schafer:Any program, any strength training program can be run on a cut. But I will say this. When you cut your calories to the point where they're below what you're burning. In other words, you're burning more than you're taking in. So your body's losing weight, hopefully body fat. You want to reduce your strength training volume and intensity, not the reverse. Everybody's the opposite. Everybody's like, oh, it's time to get leaner. Let me cut my calories while simultaneously doing more, more exercise and higher intensity. That's actually setting yourself up for failure because lower calories means you have a reduced ability to adapt and recover.

1:08:49Adam Schafer:So the best programs on a cut tend to be the lower volume ones.

1:08:52Justin Andrews:And not the most intense either. Because your output is going to suffer when you're low calorie. So for MAPS and anabolic advanced, the math's anabolic to me i would prefer that's right you go that direction you know what shame

1:09:05Sal Di Stefano:on us we get this question so much and our trainer nuanced brain resist answering this in a generic fashion but what we should really do should have our editing team do this and we should create a little because because there is uh anabolic any of the 15 minute programs more often than not are

1:09:26Justin Andrews:are better for cuts uh yeah you could you could generalize yeah because because here's it because

1:09:32Sal Di Stefano:it just to what sal is saying when you're in a calorie deficit okay when you're in a calorie deficit for cut you're not building so you just want to preserve muscle you preserve and anything that is high volume or and or high intensity is is going to work against you in a calorie deficit you're not building anything at a time so recovering so so why why would you exactly and you don't have as much nutrients to recover so why would you want to push the body any harder than what you were just doing before so what you'd want to do is really scale back intensity and volume and go into cut now you now that our our trainer our trainer brains that get in the way of answering this all the time is because we know it's more nuanced and it's like i could take any program and tell somebody to reduce the volume and intensity and going to cut and any program you can do a cut or but there are some generic there is a good general rule that we could probably tell people like hey these programs are served best in a cut yeah these programs like like another program would be terrible in a cut is like performance uh aesthetic aesthetic split yeah these are all high volume high yeah high intensity yeah people like programs like split and aesthetic are the ones that people like to try to right right so those programs are not ideal now those are great to run in a bulk or a reverse diet before you go into a cut then when you switch short of the cut, run a lower volume type of program.

1:10:48Sal Di Stefano:So maybe we should put together something that explains that.

1:10:51Justin Andrews:We have a lot of 15 options to your point. So I mean, I think that would be a good. Right.

1:10:56Sal Di Stefano:So it'd be like this, best programs to run in a cut. And then we'd list all the ones, like all the MAPS 15s, MAPS anabolic, programs best run in a surplus or maintenance. And then we'd list all the other ones. Just to keep it cut dry, even though the truth is you could do any of it. But I think that would help a lot of people.

1:11:14Justin Andrews:Next question is from Untamed Fitness AU. How do you train your client who just had a breast augmentation and is very athletic and returning? What are the top exercises?

1:11:26Adam Schafer:So this depends on what kind of augmentation. My answer depends on it. So if it's under the muscle versus over the muscle. Now, majority of augmentations done today are under the muscle. When it's under the muscle, you will get clearance from your doctor for exercise. but in my experience with clients and also working with plastic surgeons who do this, you're better off avoiding any chest exercise for like a year. So if it's under the muscle, don't train your chest for a year. Now, what you want to do is you want to focus on strengthening your mid-back. Yes. You want to work on shoulder mobility.

1:12:00Adam Schafer:You want to maintain a good range of motion with your shoulder, good scapular mobility, strengthen the upper mid-back. You can train the rest of the body, but you want to avoid chest exercises for a while because when you contract the pecs, they press on the implant and it can cause it to move and do different things. And so you want to take like a year off. Now, if it's on top of the muscle, when you're cleared, go ahead and work out really doesn't change much, but under the muscle, wait a year.

1:12:26Sal Di Stefano:I mean, all I, even both, I would, my, all my clients that had implants, we basically took any sort of chest exercise volume, switched it to upper, upper back stuff. and that that is the because it went after the surgery you're going to be tight and they it will start to round the shoulders round the shoulder shoulder becomes an issue and yes and so uh any sort of shoulder scapula mobility stuff and upper back exercises to develop those muscles and strengthen that posture for a year that's the main focus and then if and only if we had chest it's like some incline press and that's it and then it's not very much and you don't have to do it you absolutely could get away with not doing it the thing you want to be careful

1:13:08Adam Schafer:for with the chest exercises you could actually cause movement with the implants yeah and make the capsule that's why the the larger and so then you'll see like risk versus reward is it wasn't

1:13:18Sal Di Stefano:there for that person you know so we're not we're not really trying to develop obviously that area you you've bought it so we're focusing on the upper back to hold you upright and good posture

1:13:28Justin Andrews:Next question is from Jack Lewin Mann. How to progress towards repping pull-ups? I'm at a point where I can do two or three, but would like to be able to do more.

1:13:37Adam Schafer:The best way to get better at anything is to practice it often. So we tend to look at this as a strength issue, and that's part of it, but it is a skill. So if you could do two or three pull-ups, what you would do is several times a day, you would do one. One. That's it. Every day, maybe take a day off here or there.

1:13:54Justin Andrews:So you do like 10 throughout the entire day or 12, but it's just one.

1:13:58Adam Schafer:You just do one. Walk by it. One. Walk by it. Two hours later, do another one. And it's got to feel easy. It's got to feel relatively easy like you're practicing it. Take days off if you feel any soreness or tightness or it starts to get hard. And over time, this is the fastest way to be able to rep pull-ups I've ever, ever seen in my life. I've had many clients go from being able to do two or three to doing eight or 10 over just months of this protocol. Now, what about their back workouts? We actually avoided doing a lot of back exercises because they were doing pull-ups here and there every day and just practicing this movement.

1:14:34Adam Schafer:You get really good really fast if you practice this week. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. It's Mind Pump Media. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build

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