2828: The "Goldilocks Zone" - Build Muscle WITHOUT Bulking or Cutting

18:35Adam Schafer:Listen to it. And it's really interesting. And I do think so many people are ruining their experience in the relationship with fitness because they're so hyper-focused on macros, cutting, bulking. I got to do this. I got to do that. I think that it becomes this really stressful process to the point when other life stresses start to get high. It's just overwhelming. I don't want to do this anymore. I'm done. I'm going to stop. I just want to enjoy my life.

19:02Justin Andrews:Yeah, it's interesting because it is definitely like an advantage to have a coach identifying those things and being able to forecast it and, you know, tell you're going to run into this and, you know, to be able to kind of calm their own urges to, you know, to just fully cut or to fully bulk or, you know. So I think that, you know, it simplifies it. So you can make an argument like the cut in bulk, like initially it's like kind of the new trainer. That's like the easy way to handle that situation instead of like really identifying a lot of those things that are going on in their process of, you know, cutting out the processed food and really sticking with whole natural foods.

19:50Justin Andrews:You have to kind of identify those things and really have them visualize it.

19:56Sal Di Stefano:Well, the truth is that, and I know for sure that each of you would handle this case by case because there's clients that come to you and the first hour, they're communicating to you their goals, their challenges, their previous history with diet and workout and all that. and where you where how you guide them is completely dependent on that of course you know there's there's a there's a there's a scenario there's a scenario example for uh someone that you absolutely put on a cut or absolutely put on a bulk or absolutely tell them we're not going to do either that we're like and so the question becomes you know where do and i think that's where my argument is right now is that I think that most people aren't ready for kind of hovering around that, that place yet.

20:48Sal Di Stefano:I think they have to go through the education process of even knowing what, you know, 150 grams of protein looks like knowing what, Oh yeah. Yeah. You still have to do that.

20:57Adam Schafer:You still got to feel like, what is protein centric? Do I have an egg? Yeah. No, no. Like it's probably more like 30 to 40 grams.

21:04Sal Di Stefano:And what does it look like when I actually intentionally try and eat in a surplus of calories and what does that feel like when i do that and what does it feel like when i decide to restrict a little bit like i mean that's the other thing too i've always had to communicate is like there's this idea of like you know being in a in a cut you won't feel hungry like of course you're gonna feel of course if it's a specific if it is a

21:23Adam Schafer:directed structured cut right right it's gonna be all right and so to me there's there's a bit of uh

21:28Sal Di Stefano:there's a there's a bit of an uh education process that goes through the the teaching of cutting and bulking. Totally.

21:34Adam Schafer:I think the people that I'm talking to know who I'm talking to right now. I think there's people listening who are like, oh God. And I know who you're talking to.

21:41Justin Andrews:Like over and over.

21:42Sal Di Stefano:Right, right. There's people that are beyond that. They understand what their macros are. They know what maintenance probably is.

21:50Adam Schafer:It could even be the beginner right now that's overwhelmed with all of it. And it's like, okay, what do I do? How many calories? And it's like, oh, really? Just eat that? Just eat whole natural foods? Eat high protein meals? Eat it first? That's all I gotta do? You could be a big weight off. Yeah, but to your point, Adam, I had, I mean, look, I was on a coaching call with Will and one of his clients. Now, this woman had been inpatient several times for anorexia, and she had just gotten released, and she wanted to hire a coach. And so she hired one of our coaches. My advice to her was not listen to your appetite signals.

22:26Adam Schafer:Right. Because if she listens to her appetite signals, she's not going to eat because it's off. so my advice to her was this is going to feel uncomfortable you're going to eat well beyond what you think is enough because your idea of enough is so off that you have to relearn what that feels like

22:45Sal Di Stefano:I guess that's where I'm coming from too I have that in the back of my mind right now because I know that Katrina is booking a call for me to hop on with Corinne and one of her clients and I know that her client struggles with eating enough and I know that if I if I tell her to listen to her body she's going to be like oh i'm stuffed all the time it's just like yeah your your signal is is off and you need to be in a bulk and we need to to understand that there's going to be a bit of this uncomfortable feeling and we'll you'll get so yeah and i guess again back to the point that this is what makes personal training so special and so unique right is that there's some general case there's some general rules there's some some principles that you know over decades of training so many people that we've really distilled down to some like core values of like eat whole foods hit your protein that's going to work for like 90 of the people for like 90 of the way but you always get those wrenches but exactly there's always gonna that that's not a it's not like a blanket statement of like just do that it's like there's going to be these people that that come to you that oh no this is somebody who i need to put you know you should hear my cousin's feedback

23:50Adam Schafer:too because he's doing this right now so he's trying to eat uh 200 grams of protein a day stick to whole natural foods and remember his goal is to drop about three percent body fat yeah but he's stuffed he's like he's like i can't eat yeah i can't eat that much protein yeah he's stuffed he's like i can't do it i'm like well you're gonna be in a natural car there you go that's what you wanted it limits you i said do you feel like you're dieting right now he's like no i said that's exactly that's exactly the point but yeah i think the people who know people who should uh hear this no because they're hearing this right now and they're like oh yeah this is overwhelming this is stressful i don't want to live like this anymore and again the premise that uh the average person has the just humans in general had this appetite that if we let it run wild we're gonna go crazy that's not true with natural food it's just not it's only true with food with drug-like effects that have been engineered uh to be that way that's why uh we

24:46Sal Di Stefano:overeat for the most part well this is why i was such a fan of uh whole 30 when it was created it was such a good that's right you know talk about there's not a lot of a lot of diets or modalities that i think i get way behind and be like oh that's really like most people would be very well served to spend 30 days of shit like because it's hard let's be honest it's very hard it's hard especially for the average american i mean you're radically changing how you eat suddenly just a lot of people eat out and eat a lot of processed foods and so it does take some serious planning to plan a month of i'm only gonna eat you know what's another part of that too we actually

25:25Adam Schafer:talked about this i don't know if this was with a caller i think it was with a caller recently but i had this realization that um we've taken meal preparation which used to be this communal it used to be a great way to spend time with people and it turned into like a job i gotta do real quick and i'm just gonna say this like straight up like husbands and wives you guys are looking for time to spend together while you do something and have time to talk meal prep together it's a hack for sure it's some of my favorite time that i ever spend with my wife is when her and i are cooking together it's like a great way to to connect and we're gonna do it anyway uh but why don't we turn it into this like by the way if you have kids include your kids my wife is great at this she'll send me pictures and i have little kid i got a three-year-old and a five-year-old so there's not much they could do but what they can do is like peel things yeah throw things in the blender and so she'll involve them she'll put them at stations and they'll do this and she turns cooking meals into this wonderful experience for the family and i think that's such a hack because now you've you've not just you have the value of meal prepping you don't just have the value of the value of eating uh whole natural foods that are healthy but now you've added the value of connection and this kind of community effect which just makes it so much now it's something i look forward to you know we're at we're trying to um we're in the

26:49Sal Di Stefano:process we're on day three i think we're the third day we're getting there um we're teaching max how to make me coffee in the morning oh really yeah french press oh wow yeah yeah it's great i mean i have all the right tools with the hot water and everything yeah yeah yeah yeah no i mean i want it to be a little risky right so i want to say yeah it has to be a little like that's he's uh we got this again his school so cool his school sends him home with uh this kind of thing for parents and it's like their age breakdown um from you know one to three i think three to five five to seven seven to nine the different things they should be capable to do oh that's great and so it's just a real and katrina and i got that just recently like oh wow we're there's some things in here that we're not making them do we're not in doing more of and so we're we're trying to incorporate that and one of them was like you know making making breakfast or doing things like that for himself and i was like you know what he's in this like money earning phase right now too so i'm gonna like pay him a dollar for every time he makes coffee of course and so yeah so i'm trying to teach him how to how to make coffee right now but he's already connected that cleaning the toilets is ten dollars and doing coffee is a dollar and so he's like trying to get me to pay

27:56Adam Schafer:more for the tell them they're both connected you make dad coffee you'll get to clean he's trying

28:00Sal Di Stefano:to get me to pay more for coffee i'm like i'm not paying you starbucks is already overpriced at three dollars i'm definitely not paying you ten dollars for a cup of coffee they're going backwards so but dude that's yeah yeah it's funny watching uh watching him try and do it right now so we'll see uh we'll see if it backfires on me or if it works out but that's that's my goal i want to ask

28:18Adam Schafer:you guys adam you're the one you've been using the troscriptions calm and sleep i'm a believer dude they nailed yeah whatever the formulations are can you okay that's the most like like i could

28:30Sal Di Stefano:feel it what am i feeling okay i want to know what i'm feeling i can feel the calm which is uh impressive there's a sleep there obviously sleep things like melatonin and stuff like that really

28:39Adam Schafer:most there's a form of gaba is that what it is in the calm that crosses the blood brain barrier So traditional GABA, which is a neuroinhibitory compound. So it basically calms the brain. If you take traditional GABA and you feel it, Scott actually made a point of this. He said it's because you have a leaky gut. You're not supposed to feel it. It's too big of a molecule. But they have a form of GABA in there that crosses the blood-brain barrier. So when you take it, you feel.

29:09Sal Di Stefano:Okay, so explain this to me because I've always been a fan of Ned's product, right? But I feel this more than I feel that. You have a magnesium.

29:21Adam Schafer:You probably need magnesium. But this is not filling nutrient deficiencies. These are compounds that actually have physiological effects. So it's not just filling a nutrient deficiency. It's like this has an effect.

29:32Sal Di Stefano:So Ned didn't have GABA then? No. Oh, that's why. Oh, so it's the GABA that I'm probably filling. Because I couldn't wrap my brain around why.

29:40Adam Schafer:There's a Garin in there. And then this sleep one, I believe, has the GABA, Doug, if I'm not mistaken. Pull that one up. So there's compounds.

29:47Sal Di Stefano:No, I was on the Calm.

29:49Adam Schafer:No, no, no.

29:50Justin Andrews:Go on Troplus Calm. That's the one I was on, yes. Let me go find the sleep here.

29:55Adam Schafer:No, and then there's the Duo right there. That's it. Gabamike Duo. That's the one. That's the combo right there. Yeah, you put those together.

30:04Sal Di Stefano:So I take the Calm about an hour first. And then right before bed. And then right before bed, I take the other one.

30:11Adam Schafer:And then Justin, have you been doing the Methyl and Blue? Yeah. Yeah, I have consistently.

30:15Justin Andrews:Yeah, it's helped a lot with my energy. Usually when I drive home, I seriously have been having this issue where I'm like, I bonk so hard. I'm like dozing off and I'm driving, I'm waking myself up and playing a lot of music. But yeah, there's just moments, a lot more times during the day where I've just like crashed that it's just, it's been consistently good.

30:37Sal Di Stefano:So he recommended to me that I take the methylene blue early as part of my sleep routine. What is it about that?

30:47Adam Schafer:Mitochondrial efficiency. So it's supposed to help with just better mitochondrial health. But if you take it too late, it's a bit energizing. So if you take it at night, then it might interfere with sleep.

30:58Sal Di Stefano:Okay. Because that's the one I've been really good about the calm and sleep consistent. I haven't been as consistent with the methylene blue.

31:05Adam Schafer:And there's cordycepin in there, which is an interesting compound from cordyceps, which has got an effect on increasing REM sleep.

31:13Sal Di Stefano:Oh, this is part of what's in the sleep? Oh, yeah. Cordycepin, the CBN. Dustin, I got that next. Yeah, dude. And it has five milligrams of melatonin in it.

31:21Adam Schafer:When you, the blue pee is funny, though, huh?

31:24Justin Andrews:I got used to it, man. It's so funny. Because, I mean, I have a weird story. I don't feel like, you know, I'll go outside and like pee on the tree, you know, and I forgot that I was like. taking methylene blue a lot. My son saw it. Oh, no, what did he say? He was like, what? He was so confused, dude. Why is your pee blue? He's too young to scare her. He could have made up a total bad one. Oh, no, what does that mean, son? Yeah, yeah, exactly. I could have made up a story or something.

31:51Adam Schafer:You should probably be a really good boy. I don't know if I'm going to be around.

31:54Justin Andrews:It just threw me off because I was like, what? It just became normal now. Dude, that's hilarious. Yeah, I'm peeing blue. That's so funny.

32:01Adam Schafer:Dude, I got, oh, speaking of supplements, Did you guys see the post that – I'm going to pull it up – that Mike Matthews did on the study that they did on supplements? Oh, dude, watch this. I'm going to pull this up. So there was a 2025 study that tested 200 popular sports supplements, and they tested them for banned substances. Okay.

32:28Justin Andrews:Banned substances. Banned. Okay. So this is like anabolics and –

32:32Adam Schafer:200 supplements. One third of them contained banned drugs. One third?

32:39Sal Di Stefano:Third of them. What was in the category of these sports supplements?

32:43Adam Schafer:Like athletic performance, strength, muscle building, nootropic, pre-workout, whatever.

32:50Justin Andrews:Was it John Jones? I remember some fighters making this claim a long time ago. And I'm like, is that true? Because they were saying it was like spiked.

32:59Adam Schafer:Bro, here's what they found. Okay. Now, this is a lot, bro. That's one third. Okay? That's a lot. That's a big old chunk. No wonder the FDA is trying to regulate supplements. These supplements are so stupid. They're going to bring it on themselves. Here's what they found in some of them. One of them, they found a SARM. Oh, wow. Which, like, that's not even an approved drug. Yeah. Okay? A SARM. There were banned stimulants. There were amphetamine-like drugs. ADHD medications and cardiac drugs. Wow. Yeah. Yeah.

33:33Sal Di Stefano:That just goes to show you they know the power of just a supplement that people feel. Yes. They want you to feel something. So you feel something from it.

33:46Adam Schafer:Have you guys seen the study? I don't know if I ever showed you guys this. I don't know what you call them, the boner pills category, right? Like sex supplements or whatever? Yeah, yeah, yeah. They did a whole bunch of them. They tested a whole bunch of them. Yeah. And a significant percentage of them had - Viagra? Yeah. Yeah, of course. Like Viagra. I actually put the drug in there. Oh, wow. Like, this works. This herb works.

34:08Sal Di Stefano:I mean, that's what they used to do with the old fake steroid stuff, right? They used to put, like, real testosterone and real stuff inside it to make people – they used to do things that would –

34:16Adam Schafer:Well, they didn't have to back in the day. They were legal. Did you guys know – by the way, did you guys ever take Superdrawal in the early 2000s? Do you guys remember that one? I don't know if I took Superdrawal.

34:26Sal Di Stefano:Which one did you do? I took the one that – I didn't do any of the pro-hormone stuff. The one I did take was the one that Mark McGuire got in trouble for. Oh, Andrus Stanidale?

34:33Adam Schafer:Yes. Oh, that's nothing. Andrus Stanidale. Yes. It's nothing. Actually, I tried that one. That's like vitamin C.

34:37Sal Di Stefano:And I did the trend one that ended up getting knocked off the counter also. So I did a few of the designers.

34:43Adam Schafer:So I remember in the early 2000s, okay, Superdrawal, what do they call it? Pro-hormone. Pro-hormone. It's not a hormone. It's a pro-hormone. It's before hormones. It turns into a hormone. So they kind of like sold it that way. it was called super draw and i'll never forget i took it and i was like wow like i i got like no joke i probably added 30 pounds to my bench press in like two weeks well that's all the side effects do you know what super do you know what you know who uses super draw now power lifters and bodybuilders they say it's stronger than anadrol which is one of those classic steroids what yeah dude it's a it's a real well i remember that it's a designer story that the that i forgot the brand

35:23Sal Di Stefano:into that trend, the trend over the counter was. But I remember it was so strong that I took two bottles back to back and I had side effects. I started to get gynecomastia from it. That sucks from a supplement? Yes, from a supplement. I was like, this is crazy. So you know I had something.

35:42Adam Schafer:Bro, Superdraw is now a black market steroid, dude. I bought that at the store. At the supplement store, dude. I'm like, this is my favorite supplement. Well, yeah, bro, you're taking steroids, dude. Why does this work so well? that's crazy that's the supplement industry for you ladies and gentlemen you gotta be very very good get into your own research okay here's some good news on supplements uh and doug's been using the supplement for a while natto kinase am i saying that right doug natto kinase you gotta

36:07Justin Andrews:say it in a japanese way don't you yeah well the natto part okay natto kinase where did you get this well i've heard about it for a long time uh he's so undercover about everything no i share these things. I'm not secretive. Come on.

36:21Sal Di Stefano:You know, it's just hard to get a word in edgewise. You always defy. Get out of here with that bullshit. We've been together for over 10 years. I can't get a word in edgewise. I forgot to tell you guys about that tax break you guys could have had.

36:33Justin Andrews:Ah, come on. We met the girl he's dating like three years after they were dating. Hey, I am a little secretive. What can I say?

36:44Adam Schafer:He's like, wait a minute. So anyway, I'd heard

36:47Justin Andrews:first heard about natto kinase because of you know like supporting uh spike protein removal

36:54Adam Schafer:removal yeah um so this was a big study doug this is crazy they took a thousand over a thousand

37:02Justin Andrews:people shot spike yes yeah in covid yeah spike protein so it's part of that protocol that one

37:07Adam Schafer:doctor said that you could use to get rid of spike proteins yes but that's not what the study shows So this is on arterial plaque and heart health. They had over a thousand people take nato canace for a year. I hope I said that right again. I like your little accent. Dude, this is wild. Every person had an ultrasound at the start and another at 12 months. The people who were taking 10 ,800, I don't know what FU stands for, per day. It's not what you think, Justin. I was going to say it. It's a measurement. Doug, look that up for me. I'm surprised. I'm embarrassed. I don't know what that is. Here's what they found.

37:43Adam Schafer:At that dose, carotid artery plaque shrank up to 36%. Wow. 36%. Arterial wall thickness decreased by 21 % on average. Those are big numbers. 77 % of the people showed measurable improvements in arterial wall thickness. 66 % showed measurable reduction in plaque size. Improvement rates across all markers range from 66 % to 95 % for the majority of all 1 ,000 people.

38:15Sal Di Stefano:What rivals that, Sal?

38:15Adam Schafer:They saw total cholesterol went down, LDL went down, triglycerol went down, HDL went up. This is like - Do we even have a pharmaceutical drug that has -

38:24Sal Di Stefano:This is either as good or better. Well, that's what I'm saying. What would compare to that?

38:29Adam Schafer:There's a lot of things you could take to help. On the pharmaceutical side. Yes, but they all have side effects. There were no adverse effects recorded at all. Interesting. Yes. It's crazy. Now, they co-administered it with vitamin K2 and low-dose aspirin, but that's it.

38:48Sal Di Stefano:Fibrinolytic units. Fibrinolytic units. I didn't know what the heck that was. Measures the potency and enzymatic activity.

38:54Adam Schafer:So it breaks down fibrin, a protein involved in blood clotting. Dude, this is like - It sounds like something that everybody should kind of take. Why would you not take it? For heart health? Prophylacra, yeah. For heart health, this is a remarkable supplement.

39:08Justin Andrews:It's really, really good. Of course, Doug doesn't show up. And this was... This guy. He's like, I'm trying to live long. Yeah, yeah, yeah. After one of us has a heart attack, then he lets...

39:15Sal Di Stefano:You should have been taking that Nidocanize, whatever. After we did that. I'm going to tell you everything now. You tell me... Everything.

39:25Adam Schafer:But isn't that remarkable? That's like a huge measurable effect on just like a cheap...

39:31Sal Di Stefano:Now, we don't have any sort of partnership or sponsorship or anything to do this. Who does the...

39:36Justin Andrews:Well, I mean, Cabral has... Oh, Cabral does. Yeah, Equilife. They have a version. Oh, they do. In fact, one of his emails was highlighting the fact that this, you know, can address plaque buildup. And I responded to it and bought some. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't tell you. I'm sorry.

39:54Adam Schafer:Well, I started taking it... Oh, you take it too. I just started taking it like... Dude, trying to kill us. Yeah, I take so much money. You got to listen to the show. I'm less. I got a slot. I'm good, bro. Yeah, yeah.

40:05Sal Di Stefano:It could take him an hour and a half just to get through all the stuff that he takes. So I don't even want to hear everything he's taking.

40:10Adam Schafer:I've been taking it for probably two months or three months or so. This was, I remember we did our full body scan. Yeah. But they did, but it didn't look at artery health, right? It looked for like pre-cancer stuff. And I still have yet to schedule. I'm actually going to go see a doctor soon because I want to schedule one of those ultrasounds where they look at your, you know, all your arteries to see if you have any, any bill, just as a precaution. um actually have a i have a family member who at my age had a heart attack not that long ago which is kind of wild yeah and i just found another friend of mine at my age had cardiac arrest so i think we're getting the age now we start to hear these weird things yeah so uh you know usually supplements i would take in the past were related to muscle building or performance now i'm more interested in kind of longevity stuff yeah so for for the past few months i've been taking uh

40:54Justin Andrews:interesting yeah yeah wow yeah have you guys seen i haven't watched uh snl in a really long time but there was like a clip and i was watching it and uh it was interesting because so they were trying to kind of dig at rfk and like a lot of the the health uh movement that he's making and kind of attacking big pharma and all that and so there's this one sketch which is i mean it was reasonably amusing but it was like they're taking this guy through like the er and like quick give me a steak and they're like give me a steak like inject him with methyl and blue and you know and they're going through all these like things like we bring up as like you know like preventative like yeah supplements and they're just like throwing all that at them and like totally like putting a dig in in at uh you know this space and i'm sure it's like a dig at joe rogan and like you know all that kind of stuff but it's it was interesting for me to see like that other side of the culture that's like still in the course like we're not out here like promoting for interventions like on the you know western medicine's amazing for you know to save your life trauma and like yeah it's like it's silly and stupid i know it's a joke but it's it's just kind of funny because that puts it like that thought in you know other people that like have these preconceptions that like oh this is all bullshit you know it's like doesn't even fit in that category no it's not the

42:24Adam Schafer:same yeah i have a news article i'm gonna read it just because not because it's because i think we should talk about the news article but i just want to see if i can read it without you guys laughing oh yeah so impossible this is that this is a it's real this is a real news article it's the most amusing title i've ever read in my entire life so this is uh abc news chicago quadruple amputee cornhole champion facing murder charges in fatal shooting it's not real yeah it is dude yeah it is bro james uh is accused of fatally shooting the front scene passenger as a vehicle during an argument in La Plata, Maryland.

43:07Adam Schafer:So he's the quadruple amputee cornhole champion. Wait, quadruple amputee? He's got no arms or no legs. How did he shoot him? He's got like, I think he's got, it shows pictures. He's got arms like to his elbows. Okay. And yeah, dude. And so he's a champion at cornhole and then he shot someone. Wow. So now he's in trial. Yeah. I have so many questions. Is that real? Look, look, look, look. I told you, bro.

43:32Sal Di Stefano:professional this is real

43:37Justin Andrews:wow that's like you like put a bunch of things I have a lot of questions and shake it up

43:44Sal Di Stefano:throwing cornhole

43:47Adam Schafer:how did he shoot someone though he doesn't you become a professional cornhole shooting a gun is easier maybe that's how the argument started yeah he won that last match he's like yeah you can i can shoot you know you can't what blam yeah i know we're laughing it's terrible but yeah i read that it's so

44:10Sal Di Stefano:that's absurd you have to be so careful with the ai stuff dude now i know dude i had multiple times i've sent things now where i'm like man i can't send anything anymore without how like it's so

44:21Justin Andrews:lame that i have to go if it's on fox news it's real right yeah right i do that's what this so

44:26Sal Di Stefano:This was the, did you see the viral video of the lady acting like she was a dog in front of the grocery store? Oh, and the dog attacked her? Yes. You know, that was AI. That was AI. It had to be. Okay. So that was fake. I knew it. Oh, wow. But it went viral like crazy, and so many people commenting on sharing it and thinking it was real, and then - I'm just laughing, because I can just imagine if that really happened.

44:47Adam Schafer:Me too. Yeah, it's almost like poetic justice.

44:49Sal Di Stefano:It looked really real, that it was plausible, but that's how it gets you, right? It's like it's something that's plausible like that, and it does a good job. It's like, man, there's so much of this that's going to be going on where people... Do you think you've stopped sending stuff to your buddies?

45:06Adam Schafer:You know what AI is doing? AI is detecting AI. I see that on X. So something will get posted, and then someone will underneath it say, hey, Grok, is this real? And then Grok will say, there's an 87 % chance or whatever this is AI.

45:19Justin Andrews:Yeah. Well, there needs to be that, I feel like. You have to. within the next iterations of these like social media platforms if they could have that as options you could scan it first before you share it because like people will just it is kind of cool

45:33Sal Di Stefano:though how uh it organically we kind of self-police it though yeah so like what you have to check the comments oh yeah you check the comments a lot of times you'll see and that's my my telltale to go do a little digging is if i see a hand if i see more than one person going oh this is ai yeah like Like, oh, wow, maybe this is. And then I'll read.

45:51Adam Schafer:Dude, there's a picture that people keep. Yeah, we're in a weird spot with that right now. There's a series of photos that people keep saying are real. But I can't believe that they're real from the Epstein emails.

46:00Justin Andrews:Oh, yeah, with Stephen Hawking. Dude. In a dress. Bro, it's Bill Clinton. Did you look it up to see if it was real or not? One of them. People are saying it's real. One of them said, yeah, they screened it through a lot of the AI detection. And it said it was real. Yeah. And he's like, bro. I'm like, what?

46:15Adam Schafer:Bro, did you see him? Yes, I did. Okay, so Stephen Hawking is like. but then you dress like a little doll there's other ones where the ai can see this is what

46:22Justin Andrews:they do though it's like information then disinformation look at that dude so so that that one is claimed as real but there was another one recently where they had like epstein um bill clinton so disturbing i don't know if it was uh bill gates or not but they're all like you know hanging out with him like on the ground yeah and you're like and so i feel like that they're going to add AI versions of like real pictures just to kind of convolute it all. Right. To throw you on the set.

46:51Adam Schafer:Yeah. Yeah. So is that saying it's real, Doug? Is it, did it say? I don't know. Oh, you had it. You had it. I don't know what happened. Recent. Oh, look at that. Yeah.

47:00Justin Andrews:They just disappeared off. You're racing.

47:05Adam Schafer:I hate the internet. Recent unsealed documents from the Jeffrey Epstein investigation, investigation results in the release of various photographs, including authentic images of Bill Clinton and Stephen Hawking as well as several AI-generated fabrications. See? So just adjusting that. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Okay, so that one's real.

47:21Justin Andrews:They tried to discredit it by adding all this extra AI image.

47:25Adam Schafer:No, see, they're not. The ones where he's dressed like a doll.

47:30Justin Andrews:The princess outfit they're saying is AI-generated. Okay. Thank God. It's so disturbing, dude. It's just weird. I mean, that's the least disturbing out of anything. that's come out with that.

47:43Sal Di Stefano:I wanted you to go down the rabbit hole what we talked about when we walked the other day, the thing that I've never heard of until just recently, the neurological thing I was telling you about, the aphantasia. I think, am I saying that right? Look it up, Doug. I think it's aphantasia.

47:53Justin Andrews:Oh, you finally remember the term?

47:55Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, I think it's called aphantasia. Athentasia or aphant? Aphant, like A-P-H. Oh, okay. Like A-P-H, like A-P-H, there it is right there, A-P-H-A-N. Oh, aphantasia.

48:04Adam Schafer:That sounded interesting. Is the inability to voluntarily create mental images in the mind's eye often described as a blank screen when attempting to visualize scenes objects or faces it's a form of neurodiversity which occurs in two to four percent of people so so two to four percent of people if you tell them hey can you picture a car in your mind yeah they can't well no at all at all

48:28Sal Di Stefano:but there's actually a sliding scale so that two to four percent is at all right but a lot of people are somewhere on the spectrum of that like so it's like in and there there's i don't know if Doug looks up the graph, but the graph looks like at all is what, 2 % to 4%. And then a lot of people will fall.

48:44Justin Andrews:So does that also mean that they can't, if you ask them a piece of paper to draw it out? No, it says they can. They can draw it, but they can't see it in their mind? Yeah, they can.

48:54Adam Schafer:They can still. Yeah, that's weird. Yeah, there's the scale right there.

48:58Sal Di Stefano:See, not at all. Then there's a two. Then there's a three. Then there's four. I was trying to figure out where I fell on that spectrum because I can see the red apple, but I can't see it to like the five where the, like the one example.

49:09Adam Schafer:I can picture it. Okay.

49:11Sal Di Stefano:Like really like the five is like deep, like the shimmer off the apple. And no,

49:15Adam Schafer:I'm probably in the middle. Yeah. The details. So it's, it's a form of neurodiversity. So I'm, I'm, I have a neurodivergent mind, which, which has been labeled ADHD, but I don't think I really fit neatly in that category. Weird. Yeah. Thanks dude. You just offended. Well, your,

49:30Sal Di Stefano:your ability to recall words is really fascinating. That's why I was really curious to bring it up to you because I was shit when my buddy and i who were talking about this i was like oh i can't wait to bring this up to sal because he and i was explaining to him that you know the three of us can all read a study the same exact study for the very first time uh together and you asked me to recall it and i'll mess it up all over the place like i won't be able to recall it exactly and and i'll need to have read it five to ten times messed it up four or five times repeating it and then finally it that comes like i can explain it where you can do that and then almost verbatim it's almost like i need a story behind it for it to capture for me right right otherwise i'm like i've got to connect it to some things i gotta apply it i've got to teach it a few times details are lost yeah then now i'm starting to get where i feel you can look at a study read it and then 10 minutes later so i

50:21Adam Schafer:didn't know that was weird my family no my family would say i was like that too oh she can do that

50:27Justin Andrews:Very photographic memory.

50:28Adam Schafer:Yeah. So when I was a kid, my family would call me. They'd say I was a walking encyclopedia. I didn't know that was weird. But what I do know is weird is that I have such a terrible sense of direction that it's so frustrating. I get so disoriented so easily. And I had a client once that worked in that field. And I started explaining to her how bad my sense of direction was to the point where I was like, I said, you don't understand. I've driven to this place 500 times. I will have to use navigation every time. I won't know how to get there. And if I go and park in a, in a, in a parking lot and I walk in 10 feet, turn back around, I'll forget.

51:08Adam Schafer:I won't know where I am or what's going on.

51:10Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

51:11Adam Schafer:And she told me that that was a type of neurodivergent, actually a type of dyslexia. She said, yeah, it just with, no, I've seen it before.

51:17Sal Di Stefano:I've teased you before. We've, we've left our, our house that we've, we've owned for like eight, eight years. I don't know. Do I go left or right?

51:26Justin Andrews:You can go either way. Yeah. Crazy kid. You don't know.

51:31Sal Di Stefano:This is your house. You know that. Yeah. I was like a beard. A couple times. It's really bad. So yeah. I'm bad too. I attribute mine though because I used to think I had that skill really well when I was younger. Well, I'll tell you right now. I can't get home from here.

51:46Adam Schafer:You guys know that, right? You can't get home from here. No. I could probably. Be really concentrated. I could probably figure it out, but it would be a really long way because there's a few places I know where to go. But the way that I always go home, I use navigation. If you told me right now, if the power went out right now, that's my biggest fear. That we lose power. I won't be able to go home to be with my family. Poor kids and wife will be like, the power's out. I mean, there's a... When I go the back way,

52:12Sal Di Stefano:right now I'm driving the back way a lot. It's not that much different. It's maybe like 10 minutes back, like kind of country road where Doug is at. And I I actually so I still put it on but I'm trying to train myself to not to know all the back road kind of turns and it is it's like a muscle you have to train too because I know I used to be really good at that but I've become so dependent like you where I just put it in

52:37Adam Schafer:so mine isn't I didn't develop after navigation we drove long enough without navigation they didn't exist when we were kids I would get lost

52:46Sal Di Stefano:so you recall that even further okay yeah see I recall bragging about how good I was at it. Oh, one time I go somewhere, I got it.

52:54Adam Schafer:I was actually terrified of getting, because I would get lost so often. I used to hate it. I used to hate it, hate it, hate it. If I miss a turn, oh God, here I go. I'm lost now. I'm stuck. I'd have to ask for a direct, figure things out. When navigation first came out, it was like a gift from God, man. It was like, oh God, finally, I can go places. Whereas before, I was totally screwed. Couldn't get to the mall from my house. From where I grew up, to go to the mall is one, two, three turns. Couldn't get there. Couldn't get there. It's crazy. That is funny. Anyway, I want to talk to you guys about the green juice.

53:30Adam Schafer:I had a message from someone who said it really helped with their anxiety. What? Yeah, so it's the ashwagandha. Ashwagandha, yeah. Yeah, it's got to be ashwagandha. They were saying that they had anxiety, kind of on and off, kind of physical symptoms of anxiety, and they started using the green juice for health because they heard us talk about organifies green juice, and it went away, and they started connecting the dots and said, oh my God, it's like one of the best things I've tried for feeling anxious.

53:55Sal Di Stefano:I want to know how Organifi makes ashwagandha taste good. Have you ever had straight ashwagandha? Do you know what ashwagandha means?

54:02Adam Schafer:I think ashwagandha, maybe look this up. I think it means horse piss, if I'm not mistaken. It tastes like that. Yeah, I think does ashwagandha look that up? Is that really mean? Or like horse tail or something like that.

54:15Sal Di Stefano:Horse tail sounds right.

54:16Adam Schafer:Yeah.

54:17Sal Di Stefano:yeah obviously you guys have had

54:20Adam Schafer:Doug what does ashwagandha mean I don't know why you don't have to use google he googles in a strange way like a boober

54:34Adam Schafer:smell of horse this is what Doug will google ashwagandha info

54:41Justin Andrews:I was typing in the origin of the ashwagandha name But yeah, what does ostrogonamine mean is easier.

54:50Sal Di Stefano:Poor Doug.

54:51Justin Andrews:I know.

54:51Sal Di Stefano:Poor Doug. I can't wait for this. It's kind of not fair. And you wonder why I don't share anything. This is why he hoards all the secrets right here. He's resentful. Yeah, he's resentful. Hey, he takes his longevity supplements. Screw those guys. I'm going to live so much longer with those guys.

55:08Adam Schafer:I'm going to save all this money. Doug's good side. He'll get back at us when we need him. Doug, can you hand me my... Why don't you Google it? Oh, really? Why don't you Google it, Sal? What's wrong? Can't Google it right? Yeah, yeah. Why are you so mad, Doug?

55:21Sal Di Stefano:You guys need ivermectin now? You are the Google master, though, everybody. You Google the fastest, for sure.

55:27Adam Schafer:But AI requires a whole different way of searching. Totally.

55:30Sal Di Stefano:The prompt different.

55:30Adam Schafer:Yeah.

55:31Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, you definitely have to prompt different with AI.

55:33Adam Schafer:I got to figure that out. I don't use AI the way you're supposed to. I just use it like a Google. Yeah, like Google.

55:37Justin Andrews:I know. It's actually better than Google, though. I like it. Really? Yeah. You prefer it? I like it. You prefer it? Oh, you like it better than Google? Yeah. oh by far oh yeah yeah i've trained myself to use that more because i still was like you know i would just use search engines uh for all that stuff and it's like stupid have you

55:55Sal Di Stefano:like this is immediately give it to you there's so many cool we don't even use it i mean we're still getting better at like that like we have an example right now like uh katrina and i uh we're talking to our um car insurance company and you know he's trying to convince us to is which is separate from my house and you get like a better deal yeah if you you package the house with it and stuff like that and Katrina's like I don't want to do that because I'm so worried that what we originally negotiated there there's coverage that I need to go through the contract do that I'm like dude plug it in put it into AI and have AI compare it for yourself you're gonna read all of it like literally just go like give me the pros and cons of this one give me the pros and cons of this one compare the two of them and and like it like the things that we you can use it for we still don't completely you have to imagine it's like a really smart person that's

56:39Adam Schafer:how you talk to it so you can be like hey I'm gonna be flying into this place at this time I have to be at this appointment at this time i'd like to find things to do uh that are going to be fun in between i'm with my 16 year old daughter she's into this kind of stuff what do you recommend yeah boop boop boop boop it'll tell you and then the layers that you can go for that because then

56:54Sal Di Stefano:it kicks off and you go like oh we'll keep the budget between this price and this price and and the driving distance i mean you can just keep going have you guys asked your ai yet if it knows

57:05Adam Schafer:if it knows who you are no ask it say who am i what do i do and what are the things i'm into

57:11Justin Andrews:too it stores anything you've ever done well it'll tell you it knows who you are yeah it'll say adam

57:16Adam Schafer:schaefer host of mind pump yeah you have this you have one child it like picks up even i haven't

57:21Justin Andrews:used it in the months and it just picks up like we never stopped talking you should ask it because

57:24Adam Schafer:mine knew me and i don't talk about any of my whatever yeah it's like oh you're selling stuff

57:29Sal Di Stefano:well i know that that we were just i was talking to my buddies this how good the the tv listening and phone listening stuff is oh man i mean it's on another it's so creepy it's on another level now that and it's we were talking about this uh my buddy's reading like the snowden book and he was he was talking about this while we're hanging out this last weekend um and he's like he's like he that was part of snowden was talking about that stuff a long time ago right and so we've all kind of known it's been happening for a really long time but the level of sophistication that it's at now is is crazy it'll be there'll be something super obscure like that i've either never talked about or katrina and i haven't had a had a conversation at least in the the years that we've known each other about and we'll have a conversation about it and then like turn our tv on and it's like recommending a documentary related to it or and it's just like dude come on yeah like this is random yeah it's so like way in left field or or pull up your computer screen and all of a sudden you're getting an advertisement for like but like we're he was using the example he's like dude my wife and i were literally just talking about oh we didn't take the kid their kids are getting older we should take them camping this and that he goes 15 minutes later i'm on my computer and it's just like tents for sale and this like all can't like lantern and all this

58:38Justin Andrews:it's like geez it reminds me of uh this comedian the stand-up comedian i forget his name he's he's really funny but he like one of his bits was just like right in the middle he's just like i want to buy a humongous dildo you know he just keeps like repeating it over and over and over he's like you're welcome you're gonna go home and have all these ads yeah yeah hey you're welcome from people listening. That's funny.

59:04Adam Schafer:Yeah, did you know that the US government used, which, Plantier? I think they used Plantier to hit the first thousand targets or something like that. Palantir? Palantir, sorry, in Iran. So they used the AI to find targets and like it was so accurate, they're now outfitting everything with AI to be able to find targets. Maybe look that up, Doug. You know, government using Palantir for targets in Iran. I'll just tell you what to say. I'll just do it, yeah, verbatim. Doug puts it, Palantir information.

59:43Adam Schafer:Doug's taking shots, dude.

59:45Sal Di Stefano:Doug's catching strays today, dude. I feel like Iran right now. Wow! Wow! Wow! Wow! Too much, dude.

59:55Adam Schafer:Based on reports, in March 2026, U.S. military utilizing artificial intelligence technology from Palantir, specifically its Marvin Smart System. Maven, yeah. Maven, sorry. To identify and prioritize targets in Iran, this technology, often referred to as AI-driven kill chain. I don't like the way that sounds.

1:00:13Justin Andrews:None of this sounds...

1:00:14Adam Schafer:Has been used to significantly speed up targeting process, allowing the military to process vast amounts of intelligence data to strike hundreds of targets in a short time. Wow.

1:00:25Justin Andrews:Yeah. Cool. Not unsettling at all. No. Not at all. And by the way, we have something releasing on Sunday.

1:00:32Adam Schafer:Is it coming out Sunday? It's coming Sunday. Oh, boy.

1:00:35Sal Di Stefano:Here we go. MAPS PPL. Maybe one of the hottest programs yet. Push, pull legs. Any bets? Let's take a bet on where it lands. Let's take a bet on it.

1:00:44Adam Schafer:In the context of just how they've been recently.

1:00:47Sal Di Stefano:Compare it to launches. We've done so many programs. I think we all predict it's going to be a good one, right? What do you think it will in comparison? Top three, top five, top ten? It'll break top ten. Top five. Top five, you say.

1:01:06Adam Schafer:God, what's top three? Muscle mommy?

1:01:09Sal Di Stefano:Yep, MAPS 15. MAPS 15. Anabolic. Anabolic? And or aesthetic would be right there too. That would be in the top five.

1:01:16Adam Schafer:I'd say top five. People are asking for a PPL split forever. Yeah. And this is the first time that we've done a MAPS PPL for men. and for women so the programming is a little different so we programmed it differently for women based on what they're typically interested in which is more lower body volume more glute focus and uh and more shoulder focus than let's say it'd be interesting to see if uh women bought

1:01:43Justin Andrews:more than men in which oh good right like i bet you that's gonna be the case we have a pretty split

1:01:50Sal Di Stefano:uh audience it is split so when i look at the analytics on uh buyers and mouse programs it's

1:01:55Adam Schafer:it's it's pretty you're gonna let the girls beat you guys that's what i'm saying i'm calling you guys out right now yeah that's it's a really it'll be really interesting to see if more men by the women or vice versa but it's the first time we've done that so you'll get you can buy one that's programmed for what men typically want to work on and one for what women typically want to work on

1:02:14Sal Di Stefano:and then probably the coolest thing that we're doing that is unique we've only done it one other time is the the coaching that's coming along with it right so yeah three days of yeah so that's really helpful so cole cole is launching that with it and it'll so by the way like it's within i think three days so after the launch i believe wednesday it will be live right away the coaching will be live with it so as soon as as soon as you pick up the program um it's free it's part of it uh you'll be able to join that if you can't make the times there'll be a recording and you'll be able to access it but if you want to be live on there and ask questions it's also the first time

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1:03:45Justin Andrews:our first question is from lindsayd2015 i am training to be a spin instructor and currently made it through my first round of auditions i'm hoping to coach twice a week but i'm currently cycling three times a week and running anabolic and i'm struggling with recovery i'm 29 years old mom of two i've been weight training five days a week for eight years what are some tips on structuring my week so i can do it all you can't yeah you need to reduce that you can't do it all

1:04:13Adam Schafer:So spin is very intense. Very intense. Lots of stress on the body. MAPS anabolic, even if you do the two-day-a-week version, you're now competing strong endurance signal from spin, which spin is intense. It's not like just a leisurely bike ride. With MAPS anabolic, it's not going to work. It's just not going to work. You might be able to get away with MAPS 15 or one day a week of MAPS anabolic and then feed your body. Yeah. And no more stuff. That's it. Three days a week of spin, one day a week of strength training, or three days a week of spin, MAPS 15, and make sure you hit your protein targets and eat.

1:04:51Adam Schafer:Or less spin and more antiblock. That's it.

1:04:53Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, but she's trying to be her spin instructor, so I'm sure that's not going to happen. Yeah, that's probably not going to happen. So this is, I mean, for this person who's going to be a spin instructor, your strength training routine is going to be one day a week or maybe MAPS 15, right? That's it. I mean, that's most likely. If you're going to be doing three or more days of teaching spin and doing spin, you only really need one day of strength training or one day broken up over.

1:05:18Adam Schafer:The hardest, the people that I had working in my gym that had the toughest time building muscle were my spin instructors. Yeah. They all had it. And why? Because they would teach so many classes. Yeah. Three, four classes a week, five classes a week.

1:05:30Justin Andrews:All adds up, that volume.

1:05:31Adam Schafer:And if you've ever done a spin class, it's all hype, motivation, intensity. That's what they're all about. It's like, go, push, whatever. And combining that with a bunch of strength training It's not going to work.

1:05:42Justin Andrews:Next question is from Midwest Sweetheart. Do I have a higher caloric need as a full-time mom of a two-year-old, or is stress just sabotaging my goals?

1:05:52Adam Schafer:So if you're not getting your goals and your question is, I'm not hitting my goals, is it because I need to eat more? Is it because I need to do less? I would need more information.

1:06:03Sal Di Stefano:I was going to say, I need more info to give you a good answer.

1:06:05Adam Schafer:I would need more information. But the fact that you're asking this question tells me that you probably do need to eat more and do a little less. So typically when I'm training or working with a full-time mom who's coming to me and saying, man, I have a lot of stress. You know, what do I need to do? Your strength training routine would look like mass 15. And I'd make sure you hit your protein targets and then walk and no additional like crazy workout stuff. And you'll know it's working because you're getting stronger. You feel good.

1:06:38Sal Di Stefano:I mean, that's the best advice based off of the information we got that we're getting right now. Because obviously, like, if her goal was to lose weight, then maybe it's, and she's not hitting her goals. Maybe it has nothing to do with eating more calories. But if you're having, if your goals are to build strength and build muscle and you're not, then most likely you need to be fed more or reduce the stress by like a MAPS 15 program versus something that's higher volume and intensity. so i think the way you said it is the best we can with what we got totally next question is from

1:07:11Justin Andrews:justin jd99 what is your advice on a blue collar maps program maps 15 works great but i wonder if a powerlifting slash performance mix would be a better approach to help day-to-day construction

1:07:25Sal Di Stefano:life well you're in luck we have we have 15 minute versions of that we have maps 15 performance if

1:07:30Adam Schafer:you know and mass 15 power lift yeah maps grade eight would be another good option for you um for people you know blue collar uh workers are very active um and so they rarely need more you know activity but strength training is a good idea believe it or not this is not that much different

1:07:46Sal Di Stefano:than answering the question regarding the spin instructor that thinks they need to do more like you're already a very active person doing physical labor uh you don't need to send a super loud signal to build muscle and if you push it too much you're more likely to get trapped in that kind of recovery state that sal always talks about versus actually adapting and growing and building muscle and so a maps 15 protocol is probably the protocol i would keep this person in and then cycle through the different programs and we have a powerlifting one and a performance

1:08:17Justin Andrews:one yeah and you can even venture to try like the the symmetry 15 only because a lot of times there's overuse uh you know within some of these trades where you're getting a lot of activity just on one side and to kind of address that and balance it out with symmetry would be a good idea. Next question is from Big Rigs Gym Gal. How do you stop the cycle of constantly starting and stopping if you're just bored with the workouts or one day of skipping cascades into weeks or

1:08:46Adam Schafer:months? Typically, this is because you're doing too much too soon and that's why you're stopping. Also, I want to just encourage people like it's good to follow a structured program, especially if it's well programmed uh but second place is just working out uh so long as you're not doing things that are gonna hurt you so if you're like i'm bored with today's workout i'm looking at my today's workout and i'm bored okay uh you can either not work out or just do something else yeah even if it's not ideal you're doing something break it up yeah think to yourself like what would i enjoy doing i'm at the gym or i'm gonna go to the gym today i'm supposed to squat I'm supposed to you know remaining deadlift I'm supposed to bench press and I'm bored of doing that what should I do go in there and do something you enjoy uh rather than skipping I like what you

1:09:35Sal Di Stefano:said first because I think this tends to be the more common thing with someone who says a statement like this where uh you're you're kind of all you're always you're all you're all in or you're all out type of deal uh is what typically happens like you're motivated and so you're training five days a week type of deal and then you're not motivated so you skip a day or miss the two days and then that two days turns into weeks and you're off the wagon again, you're on and off. And a lot of times that's just a little bit over committing yourself to too much too soon. So instead of being on or off and on looks like all these days of working out, it's like you just become the person that, you know what?

1:10:07Sal Di Stefano:I'm going to always make sure I squat every week, at least one time, you know, for five sets or something. And to your point, it doesn't pick whatever you want. Pick an exercise that you enjoy doing and become the person that always just does that thing. And then be consistent with that and then add another thing and then add another thing. I think we tend to do this like because we're motivated right now, we do as much as we can. And that's unrealistic for you to keep that momentum and consistency. And so build something that is something you can be very consistent and then build on that, I think is a better strategy than the all or nothing.

1:10:42Adam Schafer:Totally. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. It's Mind Pump Media. We'll see you there.

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