2833: Why Fitness Gimmicks Keep Fooling You And What Actually Works

12:17Adam Schafer:Yeah. Well, because what they do is they say, again, this person told me, they said, well, you should try it. This is like how people try to sell me Pilates or a bar.

12:24Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

12:25Adam Schafer:Well, why don't you try it? it's really hard

12:26Sal Di Stefano:yeah it'll make me sore yeah yeah

12:27Adam Schafer:so what yeah you're it's so hard I could do

12:30Sal Di Stefano:we could do what was that drumstick class we took I got sore from that but dumb enough to return I told you we would never talk about that she had us drumming yeah you know I was dying I was burning it was so hard you know what I'm saying like doesn't mean I built more muscle and burnt more body fat

12:50Adam Schafer:perceived difficulty doesn't necessarily translate doesn't at all

12:55Sal Di Stefano:that's silly but but all the gimmicks that keep coming out um what they're doing is they're taking

13:00Adam Schafer:people away uh from what actually works this is the part this is the part that gets me a bit

13:05Sal Di Stefano:frustrated well i also so the point i would argue so is because we we we tend to advocate for leaving two in the tank anyways and not training to failure anyways close enough so when i think about all of my clients that i trained all these years uh the ones that didn't get the results the ones that never saw their goal. It wasn't for a lack of intensity in their workout. It wasn't because it was like, oh man, if I could have just got them to push harder in their workout, we would have got the results. It was adherence to the diet and consistency and everything else like that. They could have worked.

13:40Sal Di Stefano:In fact, those same clients that didn't see the results, I could have got them to work out with half the intensity. If they could have got the other stuff right and was consistent, they would have seen all the results. And so it's not like this is the answer that is going to solve most people that, so and to your point okay if anyone's gonna mess with this my pro bodybuilder friends that are i say astronauts and that's about it astronauts because of the lack of resistance lack of resistance oh okay muscle stimulus okay in zero gravity and that's that makes a lot of i draw the line okay that makes a lot of sense okay i'll put you behind that i'll tell you this

14:17Adam Schafer:much okay you have uh occlusion training occlusion training has actual data support therapy it does activate muscle fibers with way lighter load. We know this. Is it even in the category of staples or things we would use with clients on even semi-regular basis? No. No. In fact, I probably would never use it with a client. And that has data supporting it because it's kind of gimmicky. There's some applications for rehab. And again, the super advanced bodybuilder who wants to throw in a little bit of novelty, maybe, you know, type of deal. But nothing is going to ever replace just traditional strength training with resistance, eating a good diet, having good sleep, unless there's some radical, I don't know, gene therapy or some kind of medical intervention.

15:03Adam Schafer:I know GLPs have made a big impact when it comes to weight loss just for suppressing appetite, but like exercise gimmicks, exercise equipment, that kind of stuff. Even when you go to the gym, I'll tell you what, there's some awesome exercise equipment that's out there. Awesome exercise machines. and the science that goes into those are remarkable. There's a company, I can't remember the brand, it's out of Italy. They call them the Ferrari, of course, because they're from Italy, but the Ferrari of machines. I can't remember the name of it. Maybe, Doug, you can look it up. But they're like really cool looking machines.

15:36Adam Schafer:Biomechanics are amazing. You're not talking about the ones that Transcend had. Yeah. I believe they used them as well. I think they might've used them as well.

15:41Sal Di Stefano:Well, I know that the reason why they were called, they actually used the same manufacturer does the leather in Ferrari offer the leather on there. Okay. It's like hand-stitching.

15:48Adam Schafer:Yeah, so it's not Panada. Panada, I've seen some equipment. In fact, if you click there, the equipment looks... That is them. Okay. Some of their equipment looks incredible. Is it like hammer strength or what's the type of... It's like another level. Yeah. Yes. Now, would any of that... You saw it? Yeah.

16:05Sal Di Stefano:You saw it? I did. I wasn't there. No, check it. You didn't go to the Transcend thing? No, it was just you and me, Adam. Oh, it was just you and I that went there. Oh, these two. Why weren't they with us? What were you guys? Because it was negotiation stuff. That's your thing. What are we going to do? oh that's what that was just eye candy oh that was the contract thing yeah oh but they didn't

16:24Adam Schafer:finish paying but so my point is you could take some of the best machines that are out there and could any one machine replace a barbell dumbbells no no they couldn't uh just that our boy right there just basic uh is that phil heath uh that was phil heath on the front really yeah go back they've got really interesting equipment but my point is uh the gimmick stuff is just and this equipment's super expensive yeah you know yeah yeah so it just you know it comes out every year it comes out every year there's a new piece of exercise equipment the new i remember one we went to what was the convention i know what you're talking about the one rep thing that yeah so it was a machine that's what it was yes it was a machine that you like imagine it's a bench press push as hard as you can and the machine adjusts its resistance to give you one max out rep no matter what yeah and so and they're like you could get a full workout three contractions so it like emphasizes the isometric portion and the eccentric and it like loads like one rep is like doing 50 reps and 10 sets yeah all based because of intensity yeah yeah it's not true dave asprey was all about asprey's like yeah no big big proponent it doesn't it doesn't work that way.

17:38Adam Schafer:None of it works that way. Yeah. And if people took the money that they spent on these types of things and just hired a good coach.

17:46Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. Everybody's looking for the novel, like quick answer. Well, that's why I wanted to bring it up because you, like I said, it's reached general pop when it, when it was my, I seen it a long time ago. I think I brought it up over a year or two ago on the podcast when I saw my bodybuilder friends and people doing it. I was just like, Oh, this is the new thing. That's hilarious. I thought it was hilarious. They're doing things, but it's like, I mean, I'm not going to criticize, bodybuilder guys that are doing everything yeah it's like why not you know why not do this novel thing that's kind of cool or whatever like that so it is what it is but the average person who's trying to get in shape waste of time sculpt their butt a little bit more lose two inches on their way waste of time it's like this like you're gonna suit up in this inconsistent to begin with stupid this thing and shock the shit out of yourself so you're sore for two weeks like this is that's the dumbest idea i've ever heard in fact i'll say i'll say this i'll say this because there's a belief

18:35Adam Schafer:around personal training that you have to, and yes, ideally you'd want to work with a trainer weekly, but would you get benefit? Could you get benefit from training with a trainer once a month? Yeah. Sure. Yes, and it's more valuable than anything else. Because you need guidance. A really good one for sure. Yeah, if you spend$100, because the typical trainer will charge anywhere between 60 to 120 bucks an hour. So let's say you spend 100 bucks once a month, meet with a trainer. There is nothing else you could spend 100 bucks a month on that will come close to the value you're going to get from just a good coach.

19:06Adam Schafer:And what's that coach going to use? A good coach? Traditional, basics. They understand workout programming. They don't know how to manipulate it for you. And when you follow a good program, here's the thing. When you follow a good fitness program, most of the time, it doesn't feel like you're going to die. Most of the time, it's hard, but you feel good. And occasionally, you have those workouts where you feel like you're going to die. But it's not the other way around, which is what people, I think, that's how they judge fitness equipment.

19:31Sal Di Stefano:Our whole concierge program is built off of that exact philosophy. Yes. It's this idea that, you know, even just meeting with a coach once a month with them, even virtually, is significantly more valuable than 90 % of all this gimmicky stuff that you can do out there because of the guidance and information and knowledge that you're getting every time you get on a call with them. That's right.

19:53Adam Schafer:When's the last time you guys got anything that was fitness gimmicky that you used? Oh, my God. Like, us bought it personally? Yeah. Have we ever? Yeah. Have you ever bought a gimmicky fitness thing? I've been given a lot of weird stuff, you know, like, let's see, like that one door frame, like foam roll thing. Yeah. I mean, it's like novel because then you don't have to lay down, but it's like you can kind of do it in your doorway.

20:19Sal Di Stefano:Are you talking about that? Well, we had that one that company wanted to work with us, gave us that plastic one that was like you stick your arm in it and stuff like that. Yeah, that too. Those are all still ridiculous. The vibrating ones. Yeah. Yeah, those were cool. Yeah, no. Those are all given to us, though. Yeah, I know. None of us have bought any.

20:37Adam Schafer:I'll tell you, I've used a couple, and they're not even gimmicky. What did you do with? They've stood the test of time. What's that? I used the shoulder, what was it called, shoulder horn? I think it was, for rotator cuff exercises. Yes. That's been around for decades, and it's actually pretty good. It's not the best thing you could do for shoulder stability, but it's a great, it was a decent tool. Oh, the preacher curl ones are kind of cool.

20:57Sal Di Stefano:The preacher, oh, yeah. Those are not preacher curl. Arm blaster. Arm blaster.

21:00Adam Schafer:That's been around since the 60s. That's kind of cool. Yeah.

21:03Sal Di Stefano:That's the one that like. You wrap it around your neck. Yeah. And then it hangs over you and it keeps your elbows in a locked position like that. That's right.

21:10Adam Schafer:Those are cool. That's right. The wrist roller where you to work your forearms. That's been around for decades. I was into the rope battle conditioning for a minute. Yeah. I was into that. I could see that for stamina. I liked it. Honestly, like just because of like. Can I help your flabby arms? I had that whole turkey neck thing on. I was really insecure about it.

21:35Sal Di Stefano:That's a good call. I mean, that was boot camp era, right? Yeah. And that was the only reason why.

21:41Adam Schafer:Did you bring ropes to the park? Yes. Wow.

21:43Sal Di Stefano:That's the reason why it was cool is because it was an easy tool you could carry. I could buy four of them and carry them in my little wagon to a camp. Boot camps are just about keeping people busy. It's about keeping people busy. That is so true. And what is the smallest equipment that you can bring with you that is hard for people to do? that's the science behind it. This is how you science, dude.

22:05Adam Schafer:This is what you need to do. Make it hard somehow. You need cones. Yeah. A rope. Yeah. What else? A kettlebell. TRX. You're good. Yeah, yeah. And ropes. Yeah, and ropes. And a whole startup business right there.

22:16Sal Di Stefano:I think that's most of what I had right there. Yeah, bands. Bands. And some bands. Yeah, you're done. Yeah. And then you got yourself like a seven station little. If you get weights, you got to be kind of careful. Well, that's because you're a rich boot camp if you're doing that.

22:28Adam Schafer:If you get dumbbells at a boot camp, that's an expensive boot camp.

22:31Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, that's a lot of unloading and loading, too. You don't do that. Maybe a kettlebell or two. You know what I'm saying? Did you have to pay?

22:38Adam Schafer:I just had a question. Did you ever have to pay the parks?

22:40Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, I had to get a permit. You did, huh? Yeah, you had to get a permit. I just kept moving park to park. That's what I did. So I was a little more established. There was like... Okay. You're running seriously. I'm just saying. I'm running a little bit more legitimate here, guys. You're five ladies and you're running all your parks. I was like, yeah, screw this. I was like one-on-one.

23:01Adam Schafer:for a hot second.

23:03Sal Di Stefano:I had a trainer underneath me and everything doing it. I had multiple camps running. What was the name of it? We Love to Hate Adam Fitness. Wow. Why do you like that? What's up with that name? My clients used to say that.

23:14Adam Schafer:We just love to hate Adam.

23:15Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, they used to say that. But you're so likable.

23:21Adam Schafer:I hate you.

23:22Sal Di Stefano:Says the guy who never says that.

23:26Adam Schafer:I was just being sarcastic. Anyway, yeah, that's crazy. All right, I got a study for you guys that's interesting. Do you guys know what erythritol is? Eurythritol. Eurythritol. Do you know what that is? I've heard of it. So this is an organic sugar alcohol. It's got almost no impact on blood sugar. Either low or no calories.

23:49Sal Di Stefano:Used as a sweetener?

23:50Adam Schafer:It's used as a sweetener, and it's often used as a sweetener in like keto, whatever, or sugar-free products that— Um, or, or, you don't get any like insulin spike or any, it has almost negligible effect on insulin. Um, it's super low calorie and, and because it's not artificial, you could say something's natural and, uh, no sugar, right? Okay. There's a problem with it though. It's been connected to blood clots. Oh, interesting. Yeah. In fact, I pulled up some, some, some studies are going around. That's not good. No, there's some interesting studies that are, uh, popping up about this. so in 2023 they looked up they did observational data for more 4 ,000 patients higher circulating erythritol levels were associated with an increased risk of major adverse cardiovascular events including heart attacks, stroke and death so they said let's look at the mechanisms is it just like a random association or is it actually causing this at physiological concentrations erythritol enhanced platelet reactivity and accelerated thrombosis formation.

24:56Adam Schafer:This was in a mouse model and in vitro. So then they did a small pilot intervention of eight healthy volunteers, and they showed that ingesting erythritol, the amount that you would find in a processed food, caused a massive and sustained rise in plasma erythritol, which you would expect, high enough to trigger the platelet changes that would seem in lab tests. So then they did a follow-up human intervention study. And with this study, it was a randomized crossover parallel design with healthy volunteers. They consumed a drink with 30 grams of erythritol, which is what you'll find in like a sugar-free soda or a similar product, or 30 grams of glucose, so comparing the two.

25:34Adam Schafer:Erythritol, of course, you consume that. You see it rise in blood plasma. In every single subject, platelet aggregation response has increased significantly to multiple agonists at various doses. Platelets also showed enhanced release of granule markers. so it very well may be one of those quote-unquote natural uh you know sugar-free sweeteners that's

25:58Sal Di Stefano:not good that's not good now is that partly because is it like we do with anything else even though it's natural um just like cane sugar is we concentrate the hell out of it and so probably

26:09Adam Schafer:i don't know where you would consume it naturally where do you find erythritol i have no idea plant But this sucks because people consume these products. If somebody's consuming a product that is sweetened with erythritol, it's probably because they're health conscious. Like you're not seeking that out unless you're trying to avoid sugar, lower calories, improve your health. And what they're finding is that it might actually be really bad for you. Small amounts in fruit. So yeah, they concentrate the hell out of it. See, that's... Yeah. So I know. Kind of crazy, right? Yeah. I know. Just made everybody sad.

26:48Adam Schafer:Sugar-free options are getting slimmer. Well, I tell you what. I mean.

26:53Sal Di Stefano:Regular old sugar is probably better for you. It probably is. Most always. I mean, it's one of those things.

26:59Adam Schafer:I know people go sugar-free to control their calories. Stevia seems to be good. Some of the artificial sweeteners have lots and lots of studies. But I'm not fully convinced. and I do think that if something tastes sweet, there's always some kind of an effect, even if it's just behavioral, which is still an effect, right? So I don't think it necessarily, like, okay, to give you, as a coach, did you ever have like this huge success with clients who were just like, I'm going to go artificially sweetened with everything? Did that ever solve? No, I didn't get to the root of it. Yeah, never. I know, interesting, right?

27:37Adam Schafer:That's crazy. I know, I know, I know.

27:39Sal Di Stefano:Like you said, it sucks because you think you're making the healthier choice and you end up making something that's arguably worse for you than just drinking a regular old soda. There's something that he said, and we've talked about this before, about having something like that that has the sugars in it is it has a natural limiter on it. Because you know there's calories? Because you know there's calories. And I know I'm guilty of this. Yeah, you were a big sugar-free... Yeah, a big Diet Coke drinker. You still drink a lot of Diet Coke? Not a lot. I still get them, but I limit. So kind of our rule is, I buy a 12-pack of Diet Coke at the beginning of the month, and that's got to last me.

28:14Sal Di Stefano:Are you diet or Coke Zero? Diet Coke. Okay. I don't like Coke Zero. It's too sweet. Wow. The reason why I like Diet Coke over regular Coke is - Because one's aspartame and one's sucralose. Yeah. Okay. Yeah, yeah. I think Coke Zero is better for you.

28:26Adam Schafer:I don't know.

28:27Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, yeah.

28:27Adam Schafer:I know aspartame is diet.

28:28Sal Di Stefano:Look it up, Doug. I think I do the worst one. Okay. Yeah, I think aspartame is Diet Coke. Only when you smoke cigarettes, you have it, right? Huh? Yeah, only 12 cigarettes, too. No, so that's kind of been my thing. is like i'll get a 12 pack at the beginning that's got last katrina has diet coke also so it's like the two of us yeah i've got you know six or so to to last us through the month and then when it's gone it's gone type of deal that tends to work really well for me because i do still like it

28:53Adam Schafer:what which one's which done yeah aspartame is uh is diet coke zero is a blend of aspartame and uh

29:02Sal Di Stefano:ace k oh i thought it was sucralose i thought it was too sucralose is the big uh fitness supplement

29:08Adam Schafer:sweetener that's the one you'll find in um artificially sweetened supplements it's always

29:14Sal Di Stefano:sucralose what they pick what's in celsius because that's my other my other poison i take

29:20Adam Schafer:sucralose i think maybe look that up and see that's got to be that one yeah i know um i know i read this about urethritol because uh back in the day i would point to that one as a better option uh as a trainer probably 15 years ago as you know when i would talk about natural media yeah but i

29:38Sal Di Stefano:I mean, like I was saying, though, the downfall of it is that what I think is that you justify having more and more and more. And then I would argue the behavioral stuff because the Coke by itself is normally not that good. You want it with something else.

29:51Adam Schafer:What I found that's interesting is that people who consume – I find this really interesting. People who consume a lot of diet soda begin to prefer its taste. That's me.

30:01Sal Di Stefano:The reason why I drink Diet Coke, it has nothing to do with the calories. You like the taste of it. Oh, yeah. I won't drink a Coke inside. If I have no Diet Coke and I have a Coke in the refrigerator and I'm under my calories by 1 ,000 calories, I won't drink the Coke. I don't like it. It's too sweet. Regular Coke is too sweet? Yeah, yeah. Interesting. Yeah, yeah. I like the taste of the Diet Coke. Have you tried?

30:21Adam Schafer:You've tried the Coke Zero. No, the real Coke. The glass bottle. So I do like that.

30:26Sal Di Stefano:I do like Mexican Coke. That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, I do like regular. It does taste better. The other Coke, though, and Pepsi, of just, I don't like it. So yeah, no, I prefer the, that's the reason why I like it. It's not, it has nothing to do with dieting. I'm not choosing it. It's the taste. Yeah, for the, like the calorie saving at all. But my point is that because you know it's calorie free, you can easily go, oh, I have another one.

30:52Adam Schafer:Especially when you're like a fitness person and you're just trying to.

30:55Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, so I absolutely have been guilty before of having three in a day, you know what I'm saying? So, and that's why I've put parameters of, okay, here's my 12th of the month. I can have them all in 12 days in a row, or I can use it judicially when it's like, oh, it's Friday movie night, and we're having popcorn, and I'll enjoy a Diet Coke with my popcorn or something like that.

31:13Adam Schafer:So I got something else, too, that's interesting. I just read this article. They may have, this is good news for you, Justin, a pill for sleep apnea. I was just going to ask you about that. We were just talking on our walk. Yeah. Because one of those things I just heard the other day that a lot of cavities are actually more related to the fact that it's apnea or like your mouth's open when you're sleeping versus you actually just consuming sugar yeah and i was like oh man true yeah saliva is anti-cavity so if you have like people who suffer from dry mouth or people have surgery or chemo let's say for mouth cancer they don't produce saliva their cavity rate goes through the roof goes yeah through the roof crazy yeah more than sugar yeah it's your this is look your mouth microbiome it will make or break whether or not you get cavities or anything so like in my family i don't get cavities i've never had a cavity ever my sister she gets she just think about cavities she gets it for whatever reason yeah um and he's like that she gets amazing she doesn't get i get them yeah yeah so but anyway so there are clinical trials that just came out that they may uh have found a uh medication that stops sleep apnea it's an anti-seizure medication so you just gotta wait but you know what's weird about this I thought sleep apnea, I didn't realize, and I guess it is, I didn't realize that it's related to muscle control.

32:37Adam Schafer:I thought it was just because you're bigger, bigger neck, whatever. Big tongue. Yeah, but it actually makes sense because I exercise it. I do know that when I eat gluten, and I know gluten can have effects on some people's central nervous system. I know people are going to light up the comments, but you can look it up. When I have gluten, I'll snore way more. So I know there's some kind of an effect. but this anti-seizure medication uh they're finding uh had a really positive effect okay now the question is you want to take an you know anti-seizure medication or just wear just wear the natural mask or whatever or lose some weight i feel like i'm doing the dark side if i do that yeah gosh well some people don't even don't even have to be overweight they just they just snore yeah yeah i know gaining weight makes it worse but that's it's only that's when

33:24Sal Di Stefano:And I feel like if I will, is if I'm overweight. If I'm down weight, I don't seem to have any issues like that. Or I should take that back. Allergy season can get me sometimes, too. If I'm really congested up here or sick, that will get me. Do you every night? Are you every night, Sory? I used to justify because I'd sleep on my side. And Courtney was like, yeah, you don't really snore if you're on your side. But then when I roll and I'm on my back, it's bad.

33:50Adam Schafer:Do you ever wake yourself up snoring? I have before. The only time that happens is when I'm on the couch and we're watching something and I'm just out. Because I do that a lot lately. You have a big neck. Because you're exhausted. You've got a big old all the labor you're doing.

34:04Sal Di Stefano:You've got a second job right now. I do. Are you doing more digging at home? Yeah, but I'm finally kind of like I. So I have a tractor now, which is, you know, a blessing. Huge blessing. A buddy. Are you driving it? He's like, yeah, he showed me. It was cool because he was like, you know, every dude, when you see a big piece of equipment, it's like you're a little kid again. Yeah. Yeah. Like, so, yeah, he showed me all the levers and whatnot. And I'm out there, like, you know, digging and using the bucket. So, yeah, we just started kind of finally making progress. because dude me by myself and then you know and courtney is so funny because like um these contractors will come by the house and like courtney's there and she's talking about how much digging she does and like she'll point to the digging but they assume it's all the digging and then i meet them you make your wife what are you doing like they all think she did all that herself i'm like no dude but anyways you know she did that yes she did this but But I let her take credit.

35:12But anyways, yeah, a lot. We've been doing a lot. We've been doing a lot of digging and chopping. I'm tired.

35:20Sal Di Stefano:I ever tell you guys my tractor story? I told you my tractor story, right? Tell it again. You lost control. It was a long time ago, huh? Did we talk about it on here?

35:27Adam Schafer:No, yeah, a long time ago. Oh, you did. Yeah, real long. You, like, lost control, right? Yeah.

35:31Sal Di Stefano:So I was, let's see here. I had just got the job there. So I'm 16 or 17. it's early early in the early in the job because it's the first time i ever because i ended up driving it a lot but it was the first time i've ever driven a tractor at all and my boss uh teaches me and it's a so i've got a front loader and then we have a big tractor that's hooked to a huge trailer that's got all the fertilizer in it and i'm or i'm loading and dumping it having a blast like i learned all the stuff i'm like oh this is cool and there's a big pile and i'm like loading it up and then it's a bunch of wood ash that we're taking out to fertilize the 100 acres and learned how to do that all fine, loaded this whole big trailer up, and then it's got this old tractor that's going to pull it out to the back.

36:17Sal Di Stefano:And the way this ranch is set is it's on the crown of a mountain like this. So we're on the top of the hill is where the dairy sits, and down below in the valley is like the 100 acres of grass. And then we have a giant canal that runs down it that you irrigate with. and at the very bottom of the of the of the valley where it goes out into the all the the pastures is a huge telephone pole that's been cemented like into the ground that we run all the barbed wire fences off where we can run all the gates and stuff and so i'm on the top of this he teaches me how to drive and i'm having a blast and then he teaches me how to use the second one he's like hey this second one you're going to drive it all the way out to the back of the pasture and uh and mind you he like teaches me and then he goes off and he's doing his own thing so i'm by myself this whole time i'm doing this and uh he's like when you when you drive this one he goes it doesn't have brakes so you just need to keep it in a really low gear and if you've ever driven a tractor tractors all have what i call a granny gear which is like it like crawls yeah it'll go down a hill slow yeah oh yeah you you could take a tractor down a hill as slow as you want to go basically and so he's like just keep it in a low gear as you go down the hill and then after you get over the hill then you can shift up and then you can speed up what could go wrong give a kid a tractor with no brakes yeah i know i think back now it was like a 40 something year old man because he's only in his probably 30s at this time and he's like who gives the keys to like it tells a key no brakes first day you're learning how to do this right so i would get on there and uh and so like i said it's at the crown of this mountain so we're kind of at the top and i've got the trailer behind me and i'm like okay i put in grand gear and it's like and i'm not kidding it's crawling it's like this and i'm like oh my god at this rate at this rate i'm gonna be an hour before i just get over the crown so i'd like put it in a little bit higher gear first gear so just so i get a little bit of speed to get over over the hill so i want to get it over the hill to get down and then as i get over the crown of the hill it's picking up a little bit of speed but i'm still you could walk as fast as it so i'm not tripping yet and it keeps going and then as it starts to start to pick up a little bit of speed, I go to downshift it.

38:22Adam Schafer:Oh, no, you can't get it in.

38:23Sal Di Stefano:So I go to downshift it into the granny gear. It was just in neutral? It's in neutral right now, and I'm trying to get it down in the granny gear with the clutch in, and it keeps kicking it out, and it's slowly starting to pick up speed. And I'm panicking, trying to get it into the granny gear, not realizing I probably should just put it into first or a lower gear. And so now I'm realizing I can't get in there, so then I'm trying to put it in the next gear, and I can't get it in the first gear because it's too much speed. So at this point, this thing is, now it's just, I mean, I got a ton of wood ash behind me.

38:51Sal Di Stefano:Oh, no, dude. That's pushing this thing. I get so much speed coming down this hill. My front two tires are bouncing off that. So I'm like, now at this point, there's no gear. And I got this big steering wheel. And the front tires are bouncing. And I'm heading down this hill. And I told you, there's a huge canal. And there's a little bridge that goes over it that's no wider than, I don't know, half of our studio. And on the left is the water. And on the right is the water. and then down the middle is the trail. And I'm like, wheels are up. I'm pointing towards the water over here. And then I'm spinning the wheel.

39:26Sal Di Stefano:Then the wheels catch this way and then I'm pointing at that water. And so the whole time I'm doing this, going down the hill, I hit that telephone pole like a toothpick. It doesn't, just shatters. You know what I'm saying? Right through that. Catch the tires at the bottom. Yanks me over. I go flying into the canal. Into the canal. And then half of where I'm at, I mean, the battery comes up flying out of it. There's shit everywhere. Wood ash from behind me over the top of me, so I'm covered in black soot. Wow, dude. You could have died. Oh, totally. I was totally fine. I mean, a little bit of bumps and bruises.

40:04Sal Di Stefano:Did you think about jumping out? No. I would be afraid for it to run me over. Yeah. Especially the way it was going. Oh, yeah. It was so out of control. I knew I had to try and ride it out. Oh, my God.

40:15Adam Schafer:Yeah, yeah. I rode it out.

40:16Sal Di Stefano:What did he say when he saw you? I mean, I'm like frozen. I'm so scared and sitting on it still after it's all crashed and done. And I look back and I see him like running down the hill like a full speed to come over. And luckily he was cool. Like he was obviously more, I'm sure at that point I was like, what was I thinking? Putting some 17-year-old kid, you know? So he was probably scared to death, you know, that I didn't get, you know, I wasn't hurt. And, you know, I was so embarrassed that I'm not like, I don't think I told my parents. Like, I don't think I was like, I shared that story way later to people.

40:50Sal Di Stefano:Wow, bro.

40:51Adam Schafer:You could have died. That's gnarly.

40:53Sal Di Stefano:You know, it didn't feel like life or death carry. I think as I'm going down, I'm like, I'm going to get in trouble. Yes. I'm more like, I'm about to crash this track to be like expensive. Yeah. Yeah. I'm definitely losing this job. I didn't, I worked there for like three years after that. And for us, it was all good, but dude, I'll never forget that. That was my first day ever driving a tractor. That was, that's what went down.

41:20Adam Schafer:Yeah, you just made me remember back in the day when I had to go work with my dad. One of his helpers had me turn a light off so he could switch, so he could like fix a wire. Yeah. And that piece of crap, dude, totally just pranked me so hard, bro. He goes to touch the wire and acts like he's getting electrocuted because I'm the one holding the switch. Oh, God. Oh, God. And I'm like, oh, and he starts laughing at me. I'm like, oh, my God, dude. I had to walk out of the room. I thought I electrocuted the hell out of it. It's so good. Yeah, that's typical. Anyway, I wanted to go over what women can expect from using testosterone because it is getting quite popular now.

41:56Adam Schafer:So hormone therapy is popular. It's pretty mainstream now. It's pretty destigmatized, especially with women, I feel like these days. It's very destigmatized. It's going mainstream. and the part that more women are opening their minds to is the use of testosterone because testosterone is, we would widely consider it male hormone, but a lot of people don't realize that women have testosterone just like men do. It's not a male hormone. It's a higher percentage in men, but women need testosterone just as much as men do. And it's responsible for the same things in women as it is in men, libido, drive, energy.

42:37Adam Schafer:and it is one of the aesthetic hormones. So of the hormones that you could take and use therapy for, the ones that will produce the biggest visual change in your body in terms of body fat, muscle, that stuff, testosterone and thyroid. Those are the two. But testosterone is, this is the one people feel the most. Women, they'll talk about it and say, oh yeah, going on testosterone was like life-changing in terms of how I feel.

43:04Sal Di Stefano:I mean, it's so cool to see how far we've come with that. I mean, when you look at all the great female doctors that we've had on this show, that they all, I mean, that's part of like normal therapy now. It's getting to a place where it's like, especially once you get to a certain age. I was listening to Katrina's conversation with her doctor she had on speakerphone while we were driving. And it's like, it's just, it's become almost common practice now that once you reach a certain age, they introduce thyroid and testosterone almost as like the go-to. In fact, it sounds like that's the go-to first two.

43:37Sal Di Stefano:Is that correct, normally? Which ones? Thyroid and testosterone are the first two. Yes. That's what he was telling her while she was going to hers, because we talked before she got on. And I'm like, I'm really curious to hear if he plans to put you on testosterone anytime soon. It's one of the first ones. Yeah. But he told her, hers is so good. She's so good everywhere else. He's like, thyroid is the only thing that you can use a little bit of it. And he even has her on a minimal dose. He's like, if you notice that you don't have energy, this or that. And she's like, no. He's like, we could turn it up a tiny bit.

44:08Sal Di Stefano:He goes, but I'd rather save that until you're feeling that way. And he goes, eventually.

44:12Adam Schafer:It's just a very straightforward hormone when they use it. Now, they could play with the dose a little bit. But hormone therapy will involve sometimes progesterone, in some cases estrogen. But testosterone, you're right. It's one of the first ones. Because you feel it, improves your quality of life, build muscle, burn body fat. It's a safe hormone.

44:29Sal Di Stefano:Well, and then what I think is so powerful about that is then you couple the downstream effects you get from building muscle, having energy. Like it's not just it gives you that direct energy and strength and muscle, but it's like then the downstream effects of having more muscle, having more energy.

44:47Adam Schafer:Libido is a big one.

44:48Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, libido, sleep, all those things.

44:50Adam Schafer:So there was this big study, and I got to bring this up because they, and you'll see this, there was a study of over 80 ,000 women age 50 or older on hormone replacement therapy, and they tied it. So I'm just talking about this because it's going viral. They tied it to cancer and vascular events. Now, here's why this is super misleading. What's included in this is birth control, is non-bio-identical hormone. So if you took a, like a lot of women are put on birth control type hormone therapy, either to stop, to regulate bleeding or for acne or for period pain or for other reasons. You know, a progestin is not the same as progesterone, right?

45:37Adam Schafer:It's like anabolic steroids versus testosterone. Testosterone is a natural hormone in men. Does that mean you can go take D-ball and you're not going to get negative effects? No, that's a derivative of, it's a type of an androgen, but it's going to cause all kinds of negatives. So what they took with this is they took a lump of women, most of them on what are called non-bioidentical hormones. So these are not hormones that are like the ones in your body. These are chemically altered like hormones. Like birth control. Yes, and those are the ones that cause issues. But when you want hormone, like if you go to, like our partners at mphormones.com.

46:12Adam Schafer:if you go there and they test your hormones and say okay we can do hormone therapy with you they use the same hormones that are in your body they don't put you on yeah these other uh you know derivatives or or chemically different uh hormones that you'll sometimes see women be put on these are actual like progesterone testosterone thyroid like the like the actual have you guys been getting

46:34Sal Di Stefano:all the uh phil with vita bella is the company who we work with now and stuff and phil's the founder the amount of i was just visiting my my godson had his his birthday just like the past weekend and we were out there and uh my my best friend's wife is a nurse and has like i didn't realize how many nurse friends that she had that was that have gone through us and oh really yeah and they've been going through us for a long time and they've now experienced the transition and they're like oh Oh, dude, so much. I mean, to the point, I didn't bring it up. I didn't even know. I didn't realize all of them.

47:11Sal Di Stefano:We were at a big birthday party, and everyone was like, oh, my God. I guess Phil's gotten on the phone with a few of them even. I saw that. Yeah, yeah. That's pretty cool. And they're like, the founder called me. I was like, oh, I appreciate that. You're tripping out on that. So shout out to Phil. I know that. He knew that when we made this transition that it was so important to us that our customers felt that first. right like obviously we shot the round for what was going to be the the best dose legally obviously we went for the the no sales team thing too to where you're actually speaking to a medical professional like all these other things were obviously super important but then at the end of the day it was like take care of our customers because that's what i feel like what wasn't getting done and so the experience that i've been getting or feedback i've been getting has been has been incredible so it's it's really cool so did you guys hear about what they did with the fruit

48:02Adam Schafer:fly brain in a computer? The fruit fly brain? Did you hear about this, Justin? I did. What do you mean by that? What do you mean by that? So I'm going to pull this article up, and I'll kind of read what they did. They're able to literally digitally map this fruit fly brain. So we often use fruit flies because - Predictively. They're very basic, like brain, very easy or whatever.

48:23Sal Di Stefano:Oh, I think I heard you saying something about this.

48:24Adam Schafer:So a neurotechnology company, Eon Systems, took a complete digital map of a fruit fly's brain so they took the whole brain and recreated it digitally yep then they ran it inside a virtual fly body yeah in a simulated world so the fly on the computer was running off of this this digital map of an actual so it's just like what a fly would do so in other words there wasn't like some

48:49Sal Di Stefano:sort of a mathematical formula or equation or pathway that it was it was programmed to follow

48:54Adam Schafer:it was random it was just they took the brain of the react yeah how the mapped brain and they Essentially digitized it. It's an exact copy of this brain, but in the computer. How do you prove that? I don't know. I know. Stop it. How do you prove that, Doug? What do you mean prove that? Don't put holes in it, Adam. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, you can technically you can do this, but they started with the fruit fly brain because it's super, super basic. Yeah. Super basic. I mean, what's more basic than that? Maybe like a worm? So they did this. Then they turned it on. and the fruit fly in the computer, which now had a brain that's like a fruit fly, it behaved just like a fruit fly on its own.

49:32Adam Schafer:They didn't tell it to do anything. It literally did everything that a fruit fly would do on the computer. I'll put that in Sims. Well, now listen, it's not stopping there. They're going to try to do the same for a mouse brain next and eventually they're going to try and do a human brain. This is that show upload, dude. Bro, can you just hold on a second? if they did if they technically could do this let's say they do a mouse brain does the mouse on the computer think it's in a real world of course it does it has to if that's the case why would they do a human brain are you gonna have like this human on your computer that's like thinks it's real where am i let me out some black mirror crap right there dude

50:14Sal Di Stefano:the horrors i mean so it's not until we we reach a conscious brain that we can even prove how valid this is or isn't right i don't know because like okay so like i don't think they know what they're doing so go down the chain from fruit fly to mouse to these animals like and you we're all watching this this thing act on there uh how how do we prove it's it's it's i don't know yeah i can't where i the human brain is the only way because because then the human would get in there and be like let me they freak out right it's reactive it's not necessarily like uh consciously that's what i mean it's not until and not until you have a conscious mind map it's a sequence it's a good question so until it's a conscious mind that that they try and map they're not they're not digitizing consciousness it's not happening no they can't they theoretically

51:05Adam Schafer:they think they will they're not did you guys watch that black mirror episode where people had like they look like phones and on there you had a a clone of yourself in your phone as your assistant and it literally thought it was you. And so this woman turns her phone on and it's her on the phone. She's like, hey, where am I? Where am I? She's like, hey, you work for me. You're my assistant now. Let me out of here. Let me out of here. She's like, no, you're going to do what I say. You're my new assistant. And she's like, I don't want to do what you say. So she pushes a button and it simulates 30 days where this woman is in this blank room for 30 days.

51:37Adam Schafer:Like punishment. And then she turns and she's like, I'll do whatever you want. I'll do whatever you want. I can't watch that show. Bro, it freaks me out. It's too twisted. Yeah, but it's like those concepts are almost like you could believe something like that. Yeah, it's like, ugh. I feel like we're going down that path. I hate that. It's creepy. I'm going to change subjects. Did you guys know that ButcherBox has tater tots? Tots? You could buy tater tots. Dude. Yes, dude. Tater tots. Are they healthier? I don't care. Nobody eats healthy tater tots for healthy. I love tater tots. I love tater tots.

52:12Adam Schafer:Love them. They could be healthier the way they're fried, right? Because, I mean,

52:17Sal Di Stefano:all they are are white potatoes that are deep fried in something. Yeah, why wouldn't it be healthy? Are they deep fried in something else, like peanut oil or something healthier? Normally, they take the potato and they may coat it with a little bit of oil. Then you put it in the air fryer and you make it.

52:30Adam Schafer:But these come in a bag and you just throw them in the oven. Well, yeah, because they've already been done that. So I'm curious. Yeah, but they're not fried prior. No. They're typically, I think, they're raw tomatoes. Oh, I see.

52:41Sal Di Stefano:The oil is on the potatoes. It's on the potatoes. And then you cook it in the oven. I see I've purchased not from ButcherBox but I've purchased other ones look up the tater tots on ButcherBox

52:53Adam Schafer:oh tater tots I am a huge tater tots I don't know about you guys but that's like one of my favorite did you sneak them in your cargo pants

53:03Sal Di Stefano:hey where you went with the boys did you know they're famous for their tater tots that bowling alley oh they are did you not have any No. Oh, bro. Did you have the pretzel? Did you have the pretzel there? No, we didn't really eat there. Oh, I'm so mad. Yeah, we ate before we got there. Well, that was what makes that place so sick is they have a famous chef that is working out of there. Oh, serious? So all the stuff, all the food is amazing. Wow. At a bowling alley. No one thinks it's amazing. I had no idea. Yeah, there was nobody there when we went. It was wide open. I was like, oh, this is rad.

53:37There's nobody here, all the lanes. Oh, I wish I was. What's it made with? I didn't know that. Yeah, so I stand corrected. I thought you were talking about the French fries, but the tater tots are fried in avocado oil.

53:48Sal Di Stefano:Oh, okay. Well, that's better. Yeah, so that's right. I figured they would do something else, right?

53:52Adam Schafer:There's two foods that I'll eat until I'm really upset. Chips and tater tots. Well, three foods. Potato chips, French fries, and tater tots. You could put, I don't care how many you put in front of me, I'm going to eat them until I can't. Yeah. That's how much I like them. I wonder if my son would eat those in Irish. I'll have to try and get some of those. Why, is that an Irishman?

54:10Sal Di Stefano:Do they have a special going on? Normally they have something cool going on where if you sign up, you get something cool right now.

54:15Adam Schafer:You get free ground beef for life in your box.

54:17Sal Di Stefano:That's what I cooked yesterday, three pounds of their ground beef.

54:21Adam Schafer:This is the ultimate meal prep. I'll give you guys. This is the meal prep hack for everybody, and it's cheap. You cook a bunch of ground beef and a bunch of rice, and you can mix it together.

54:34Sal Di Stefano:I'll give you even the crazy, the tasty version of that what I do. So I do three pounds because that's all I can fit in my big old iron skillet. I would do four if I could fit four in there. Three pounds fits inside there. Montreal steak seasoning. That's all it needs on it. So season it, season it with that. No, you don't need no oil, no nothing inside the iron skillet. Just literally straight dump it in there and do that. I cook it slow so that I can also take a whole onion. I saute the whole, put a little bit of olive oil in a pan.

55:05Adam Schafer:First you saute the onion separately.

55:07Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, they're separate. it so are the mushrooms and so is that so i got three pans that are running okay no it's not it's because it all gets done at the exact same time and it's amazing so the mushrooms are being sauteed in ghee and garlic salt so mushrooms are on a slow simmer with and i do two whole things of mushrooms with uh with the ghee and garlic salt in it and then i have my onions with olive oil also on low simmer and then they're all cooking around the same time takes about 30 45 minutes and then when they're done, you just mix that all together and then you add your scoop of whether you're doing one cup or half cup rice.

55:41Sal Di Stefano:Katrina's half cup rice on one cup rice. There's your meal prep, bro. It's so good.

55:45Adam Schafer:It sounds delicious, but it's too much work for me. What? Yeah. I know you and Doug are like little chefs.

55:50Sal Di Stefano:That is not, that is like easy, dude.

55:52Adam Schafer:Yeah, it's way more hard than what I do. I go ground beef, seasoning, rice, done. Yeah, but you're - It's like I'm a bachelor in college.

56:02Sal Di Stefano:I mean, the hardest part, I guess, is I got to chop the onions up.

56:07Adam Schafer:You can buy chopped onions.

56:09Sal Di Stefano:I guess you could skip that part, too, if you really want to. And you just literally dump it in the oven and you just leave it.

56:14Adam Schafer:If Justin and I were roommates, we would eat pretty super big. Frozen burritos, top ramen, tater tots all day long.

56:23Sal Di Stefano:Burger patties. I mean, that's got to be one of the most cheesy, basic block of cheese, dude. It's so easy to cook what I just said. there's no there's it's not tricky at all it's super easy quick so good well yeah you get because you get the i got married dude the ghee and the garlic salt that soaks gets soaked up with that mushroom so that adds a little nice to that lean that no no listen it sounds delicious it sounds

56:46Adam Schafer:really delicious you don't have to sell me on the flavor but when you said too hard you said multiple hands just too hard hey you went multiple pans my hour is already in my head i was like nah

56:54Sal Di Stefano:so what i okay so the the i guess the bachelor brain of me okay that that has entered the the cooking world because I by no means think I'm any sort of a chef.

57:03Adam Schafer:Bro, you are super into barbecue. You go crazy. You time everything, the perfect air temperature, what altitude we at. I'm not even making this up. People listening, he knows how much longer it needs to go if we're in Truckee because of the altitude. This is how much science he goes into.

57:19Sal Di Stefano:What I'm not good at is ask me to cook something where different things have different times. If I can figure out a way to make things that take the exact same time and there's downtime while you're waiting. So it's easy to do a couple.

57:35Adam Schafer:So I go ground beef, rice, tater tots in the oven, done. Tater tots. I'm excited about that. Let's get back to the tater tots.

57:44Sal Di Stefano:I will order some of those though because I do want to try. For sure. Ironically, it's so hard to get my son to eat carbs. So I've never thought this would be the day that I'm like, eat your french fries. My youngest to see. wild that my son doesn't like french fries doesn't like rice does not potatoes nothing like or rice yeah he doesn't like it yeah really kill me what do you eat for carbs i mean he'll eat like uh like corn tortillas for like tacos but he eats tacos he likes tacos he'll eat tacos but he's not a

58:16Adam Schafer:carb he wants meat dude you know what my son will do my five-year-old i i could feed him 18 eggs a day i don't know what it is about eggs he'll eat them as many as you want that's cool hella eggs He's five. Yeah. He eats two eggs in the morning. And then probably another two or four throughout the day. This is a five-year-old eating four to six eggs in a day. Whole eggs. Dang. I have to stop.

58:37Sal Di Stefano:I'm at that stage right now. Justin probably can relate to him because your son was like this. I'm trying to sneak calories in everywhere. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. It's part of why I opened up the dessert can of worms with him because I want the extra calories. Same. I might let him have dessert and stuff because I'm like, he needs to eat more calories.

58:54Adam Schafer:Pour hella olive oil in his stomach. Yeah, I do.

58:56Sal Di Stefano:I sneak all kinds of stuff with that honey on things. I sneak all these calories because he'll just eat just straight meat all the time. I told you this was the last time I tried to take him through drive-thru and get chicken nuggets. And he was like, nah, dad, I'll wait until we get home and eat my leftover steak. He brought me reheat steak from yesterday. Then drive-thru and get chicken nuggets and french fries. I'm like, dude, come on, bro. I never thought that would happen. I know.

59:19Adam Schafer:It's hard to talk him out of that. My three-year-old, I have to peel nuggets for her. She likes the white meat. I know, dude. I'm like, that's the best part. What are you doing? That's funny. He's making me peel the nugget. Who peels a nugget? This guy does. This guy does.

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1:00:13Adam Schafer:Back to the show. All right. Our first question is from Lucas Keen 03. My wife is pregnant and I was wondering what lifts or exercises she can do to prepare us for carrying and holding the baby as I know it can cause imbalances? So that's a good question. And so I'll start with this. Overall, general strength is the way to prepare. But the pain, because a lot of women will get wrist pain, shoulder pain, sometimes hip pain.

1:00:41Sal Di Stefano:Like this all day.

1:00:41Adam Schafer:Yes, from holding a baby. Wrist pain being the most common one, but shoulder pain probably being second. Because they always carry their kid on the same side. Same side. That's the thing. Switching it, yeah. Switch it up. This will prevent issues is switching from side to side. And everybody's got their favorite side that they like to carry the kid on. But besides that, it's just overall strengthening. There is no specific way to train unless we're already correcting an issue. But just traditional strength training gets stronger overall. And then when baby comes, you have to be aware that you're going to be, you know, that you're holding the baby on one side or the other and switch it up.

1:01:18Sal Di Stefano:I used, what's it called, the baby? Bjorn. I use that. We use that a lot. We use that a lot. You know,

1:01:25Adam Schafer:they make these new ones where they go around your waist and it's like a little seat. Have you seen it? And you put your kid on it. And so it's like, it's like the baby sitting on a seat and you kind of hold them. Oh yeah. My wife had one with, with my youngest. It's really cool. Cause it's not like, you know, the Bjorn, you have to put them in. Yeah. This is literally, you just wear it. And then when you pick up your kid, I think I have seen somebody doing that before.

1:01:45Sal Di Stefano:Actually. I love that thing. I think we used it like crazy. I mean, can you flip them? you can flip them forward or back and instead of the old traditional like turning on your hip type of deal like that gets uncomfortable doing that for a while justin go hold kids for a while yeah

1:01:58Adam Schafer:i was the bjorn thing i tried it for a bit i just felt stupid with it i can see just hold his kids like a tiger i hold back of their neck yeah i just switch arms put them on my back you know dude you just see it i swear to god never use it yeah nothing i just held them oh did you hold on your shoulders uh-huh yeah i got a buddy like that he's always got his we just like we just grew

1:02:21Sal Di Stefano:out of that we just i loved it every minute of it i did i did it all the way i did it all the way till just maybe six months ago like max he we just it was just like yesterday or the day before he can't get your shoulders like nah bro we're past that now yeah yeah yeah you're coming up on seven we're in different states here dad's got arthritis oh my neck and so now he's i mean he's not little anymore and his legs his head's hanging all the way down and past my hips you're way too yeah he's a big boy have your kid pee while you

1:02:49Adam Schafer:were holding them up there you know in their diapers still oh yeah oh that has not happened to me next question is from morgan b peterson can you talk more about body types you touched on it recently with the collar having a more athletic body as a woman and how to capitalize on it and not have remorse for it so you know the beauty of part of the beauty of strength training is it's the most targeted form of exercise. You could target, build, and shape muscles just because of the nature of strength training. That being said, like, there's certain things about body type that you can't really get around, like bone structure.

1:03:26Adam Schafer:You have wide hips, narrow hips, wide shoulders, narrow shoulders, long femur, short femur. You can't change that. You also can't, to an extent, can't change how you store body fat. Women generally store it in the lower body. Men typically in the midsection, although hormone changes can start to affect this. So earlier we talked about hormone therapy. Sometimes women will find when they're in perimenopause or menopause will start storing more in their midsection. And hormone therapy seems to change that fat storage. But aside from what I said, getting leaner and more fit, building muscle like that makes everybody look better.

1:04:07Adam Schafer:but you got to be careful with comparing yourself, your body type to other body types. Yeah. You got to be careful with that.

1:04:13Sal Di Stefano:So I'm going to say something that's a bit of an overgeneralization, but in my experience, this is what I've seen time and again. And correct me if this is different for you guys, but what I have noticed is each client or body type that I've trained has a strength and has a weakness. and as a trainer, I felt I had a lot of success when I understood that and then I leaned into that example. So my clients that were really skinny, that had a hard time like trying to build muscle, those clients, it was always easy for them to get lean. That's what they never had a problem. And so me worrying about that or leaning into that strength is that, the opposite is true with the other client.

1:04:58Sal Di Stefano:The client that really has a hard time losing weight, like fighting that and always just trying to lose weight with that client. I did so much better trying to build muscle with that client. So lean into your strength. If you have a more athletic body type, you hold muscle really well, but you always want to be leaner. I was trying to do that. And you're always fighting low calorie and trying to get lean versus I'm going to lean into what your body does really well. Like it builds muscle really well. Let's go build a bunch of muscle that will speed your metabolism up. That will help the process of, of leaning out.

1:05:26Sal Di Stefano:And so I've had more success when I had body types that were like that, where they have this kind of athletic build and they always wanted to be smaller or leaner. It's like you're always fighting against the body where your body wants to build muscle. Let's lean into that. Let's build muscle.

1:05:41Adam Schafer:I also think we give too much credit to or put too much blame on body types and genetics. Like there is no genetics. There is no widespread genetics for like obesity. There'll be a difference of 15, 20 pounds from person to person depending on the genetics, but that's it. Not the 60 pounds, 70 pound type of deal. the vast majority of the effect you have is really lifestyle, so exercise and diet. And everybody can look more fit and healthy or less fit and healthy. But don't get caught in that game of comparing your body type to somebody else's and saying, oh, I want to – that's a losing game. And the best success I ever got with clients where people were like, hey, this is my body, and I'm going to become the fit – I'm going to be fit and healthy for my body and be okay with it.

1:06:29Just trying to be objective from where you started, where you are, like, and think of all the different metrics beyond just the aesthetics, like with the strength, energy, and, you know, all those other things. Next question is from Julie E. Holmquist. I started deadlifting today, but my shoulders hurt. Is that something that will eventually go away? Or are there other shoulder exercises I should be doing to build up to the deadlift? That's interesting. Shoulders hurting from deadlifting. That's a new one for me.

1:06:58Adam Schafer:She's probably referring to her traps. You know, sometimes people say, I see shoulders. My shoulder area. Yeah, they do associate traps with shoulders.

1:07:06Sal Di Stefano:When she's probably getting into it, she's probably in a little bit of a shrug position. I mean, she just started deadlifting. Yeah.

1:07:11Adam Schafer:If you just started deadlifting, oftentimes the initial soreness you'll get will be in the mid upper back because a lot of people are weak there. The muscles that bring the shoulder blades back and support that shoulder girdle tend to be weak. Right. Unless you strength train. Maybe some protraction too. Yes. Yes. And so I'd say go lighter and go slower. And you can have like a friend or someone press on your traps a little bit to give you a little bit of myofascial release. But I mean, that's probably what's going on here. Because the shoulder joint itself shouldn't get hurt in a deadlift. That's very, it'd be very strange.

1:07:49Isometrically stabilize it there.

1:07:50Sal Di Stefano:I also want to point out that this is one of the most valuable parts about our Mind Pump private forum or our Muscle Mommy group too. We can sit here all day long and try and guess why it's her shoulders. If I saw your movement in the deadlift, I'd know right away. I'd know right away why, and I'd be able to explain it. Because it could be a lot of different things. She could also be arching her neck while she's doing it. Yeah, she could be rounding her back. Yeah, she could be standing up and then kind of shrugging a little bit. I mean, there could be a lot of things that we're not saying right now that could be going on if I saw the movement pattern.

1:08:23Sal Di Stefano:And so one of the probably the most valuable things or commonly used ways of using the forum is to video yourself doing a movement and then ask this question. And then you'll have either one of us or one of our trainers get in there and answer and help you with it. Super, super valuable. Next question is from Untamed Fitness AU. for your own personal training, do you follow the doctor's textbook order when you can officially start lifting again or follow your own body's cues and start when you feel ready? Slowing yourself back into it, of course.

1:08:59Adam Schafer:So this is an interesting question because - Sounds like a setup. Yep. So here's the deal. For most people, you want to listen to your doctor because you just don't know your body well. And when you think you're ready, you're probably not. And even people who are well-trained, like fitness people, oftentimes overestimate how well they're doing. We're all guilty of that. That being said, you know, look, if you really know your body, you've got a good background in exercise, you know your movement, you know how to listen to your body, and you're already fit, oftentimes what the doctor will tell you in terms of when you're ready is a really conservative estimate.

1:09:39They're overly cautious.

1:09:39Adam Schafer:They're very, very conservative. They're like, don't lift over five pounds or, okay, you should be able to move your shoulder in 10 weeks. I had shoulder surgery and I had full function in half the time the doctor told me. But that's only because I had worked out before. I was already fit. Pre-existing muscle and, yeah, like experience. And I knew how to rehab it. That's it. And I knew how to rehab it myself. I remember I went to the PT and the PT's like, all right, lift your arm up. And I was able to lift it all the way up and they looked at me like, whoa. And I'm like, well, I know how to rehab it.

1:10:07Adam Schafer:but that being said I've also had injuries where I'm like oh I'm good and then I re-injured myself

1:10:11Sal Di Stefano:yeah this is such a loaded question for that reason because I don't think any of us probably follow exactly the doctor's orders afterwards but then I've also made the mistake of more than once re-injuring myself did my knee, did my pec I mean I go down the list I've done it with a lot of things so I guess the other way to look at this too is it's like okay you doing it faster or doing more, is it really going to get you that much better, that much quicker, that much more results? I mean, building muscle, burning body fat, that whole process is such a slow process anyways. Is it worth going outside the boundaries that the doctor has given you between your appointments just so you can try and get a little bit fat, like results that aren't going to be that measurable?

1:10:58Sal Di Stefano:Like, I don't know.

1:10:59Adam Schafer:I'll tell you what, I know a guy who just had, weeks ago had shoulder surgery and used BPC 157 and thymus and beta. Half the time. And he was like, bro. Half the time. The doctor was like, I can't believe. Well, that's where you're, yeah, exactly. You start getting real confident. I mean, it's a little like, it's like, it'll cut like 40 % of the time off of your recovery. I think I,

1:11:22Sal Di Stefano:you gotta calm yourself down a bit. Being the one who's probably been injured the most here, I feel like I've tested it so many times, it's half. It's half the time. it cuts the recovery time in half but to Justin's point that's part of the dangerous part is all of a sudden I'm like oh my god I'm back, I'm back in half the time let's go and then all of a sudden you start ramping up and then that's where you can get hurt again

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