2840: Breakthrough Muscle Building Peptides with Jay Campbell

23:51Adam Schafer:One more time, mphormones.com. Back to the show. All of us have done the de novo exams. Two of us have done the, what do you call it, the DEXAs. And everyone else has done in bodies. And all of us have gained seven pounds. If I took my shirt off, you guys see like my chest definition, like my androgen receptors. You do look like you're seven, 10 pounds heavier from the last time we saw you. Yes. Yeah. Yes. And, but I mean, my arms and my shoulders, if you look at the picture that I just put on Instagram, uh, my Instagram came back for the first time in three months. I can't talk about peptides.

24:23Uh, you can see the size that I put on, but all these people are attacking us in the bodybuilding world because they're like, there's no way, but they don't understand that this is a totally separate patented delivery system of folistatin that actually allows muscle to build isn't this what's is this similar to what's in the newest glp1 the the it's not but it's the same they're targeting a similar pathway what they're doing with those drugs is they're using mononucleal antibodies and unfortunately without getting into the science that that's a that's a dead-end path so where we're really going with this is they're going to eventually have like a stage four and a stage five agonists that will use folistatin in a format the way ours is.

25:06And also, and I don't want to again, rabbit hole on this, but where we're going with say GLP technology or science is it's more small molecules moving forward because Lilly and Novo Nordisk are going crazy to enforce their patents. So all the compounders, the research companies, everybody else who's out there, who's attempting to sell or manufacture, or even create GLPs, they're going to shut it down because they own all the patents. Now they haven't been doing that. They've just been sending cease and desist letters to compounders, to research companies, but nobody really did anything with it because FDA wasn't enforcing them.

25:38But now Lilly and Novo are going to enforce the patents because they're going to be approving retitrutide very soon. And once they approve retitrutide, everybody knows how amazing retitrutide is as a drug. And they're like, we don't want anybody using retitrutide other than if you buy it from Lilly. Oh, wow. So, okay. This begs another question then, because we had this discussion with uh dr seeds and who dr seeds shut up stupid i fell for that so we what's up doc so one of the things that we talked about was uh you know being able to build all this muscle but it uh potentially being almost useless muscle similar to like those bulls non-functional non-functional it's like so the body you block this muscular person yeah so you block this you put on 20 30 pounds of muscle great you look cool but it's you're not stronger you're not so is that a concern with the fall stat yeah so it's a great question so previous fall statins yes because of the way it bound and it could the the risk or the concern would be that it could increase uh organ size or it could increase like the heart valve or the aortic valve.

26:50Again, ours, the way it's, just call it recombinant engineered, it only binds to activant. So, and if I'm saying this wrong, we can edit this, but the way it works is that it only will bind to androgen receptors that are not organ sensitive. So it's, you know, shoulder, delt, quad, it's not going to build muscles or increase the size of organs. It's only going to target the actual muscles. So I just want to make sure that I said that correctly. But again, it's a 19-day albumin binder. So the linker on the actual binder extends, as you said earlier, the efficacy, so it becomes systemic and it's not local.

27:28Adam Schafer:So albumin, so somebody can't use this if they're allergic to eggs. I don't know about that. I mean, no one said it. I don't think that's the case. I think that anybody can use this. I mean, again, so just so you know, so we've tested this product for close to 18 months. It's been tested in monkeys. It's been tested in humans, six months in humans, dogs, cats, and of course, rats it started with. And he's already applied for the patent and we'll have the CAS number at the end of this week, literally by Friday, we're going to have a CAS number for it. So there's so many people in the scientific community interested in this product right now that we're like fielding inquiries from some of the biggest companies literally in Europe who want to sell this.

28:07Because again, you know, and we haven't talked about clotho, we'll get there in a second, but like clotho and follow statin is like, we're all the research in the longevity space is going to like, how can we re-engineer? How how can we molecularly recombinantly change these molecules so that we can make them for everybody in the scientific community who's interested in

28:24Adam Schafer:longevity to have besides building muscle on false that, because of its effect on, it also burns fat. I know you were going to ask you what else do you get? What is that just to the metabolic pathway though? Because you add five pounds of muscle, you're going to burn more calories. Yes. I mean, in theory, yes, but we're actually going to be coming out with a product from, because our chemist was like, after he used it for six months, he's like, dude, it also has this insane, uh, ability to burn fat. So yes, from a metabolic pathway, but then here's the other thing. And this is why it makes it so interesting because you guys already talked about all the people, especially women who lose muscle on GLPs.

28:57This is the answer. Give them a micro dose of this recombinant form of folistatin and they can't lose muscle because of the way it binds. And again, it binds so powerfully. Again, it has a 19 day half-life. So I mean, imagine how many people will be okay to inject it just once or twice a month, you know, and that's where it's going with small molecules, we should have another product that I don't want to let the name out of the bag because he's working on the patent. It's patent pending. That will be a super retitrutide. Super retitrutide. What makes it super? It binds. I'm literally not exaggerating.

29:31Yeah, with a cape. I should put my cape on real quick. It binds somewhere between 50 and 75 times harder than retitrutide does. Oh, man. And it's not a GLP. So it's a small molecule. So again, according to our chemists, you might have to only, it will be both oral and injectable, but you only have to inject it like once every two months. That's how powerful it is. So that's where we're going with these. Again, you guys have obviously heard of the guys at the MediCenter where they do recombinant engineering and they inject all these different, you know, gene therapies. These aren't gene therapies, but you're getting to where the drug manufacturing and the delivery system is so powerful that you don't have to inject it.

30:08Like we've always come to know.

30:10Adam Schafer:Jay, do you also, so you've, you've used the full statin. Yes. I'm on it right now. So you're building muscle to get stronger. I'm way stronger. So, so back to what you're saying, the functionality of this, because of the way it binds, uh, again, to the androgen receptor. And you're exercising with it. Well, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, again, we don't, obviously this is a very intelligent audience, right? Like if I was on a different crew, I would be like, guys, you have to do all the things. I mean, everybody that listens to you guys and to me, uh, and by the way, your audience is now my audience.

30:37So thank you guys for that. But, but, but it is true. Like it's not a magic pill. none of these things are magic pills. I mean, we always disclaim that, right? But if you train and you take this phallostatin and you eat one gram, say, per pound of lean body mass and you understand how to train in the way you guys recommend training, positive failure, progressive overload, et cetera, you will build muscle way easier on this. And when I say way easier, like I notice more from this now. And again, this is today, nine weeks that I've been on it. And I've been on, again, let me just pull this up for the audience real quick.

31:13so this is the actual vial it says f or i can't read it flgr242 which is again is the actual novel uh patented uh albumin bound pharostatin and it's five milligrams so you can inject this once every two weeks or you can inject it as i was telling you once a week with a lower dose exactly so i like and again you know obviously the gorilla chemist you guys know brian um he is like our chief science officer, we hired him back in August and he's been doing a lot of research on this, but he kind of thinks, and I agree with him based on what I've been doing, that if you inject it once a week, you increase peak plasma compensation slightly more, even though it's the same dosage, you're giving that little PK curve bump by injecting it once a week.

31:58So you might, as a bodybuilder or as somebody who's looking to build more muscle, you might notice a little bit more, but the net dose at 19 day half-life is the same.

32:06Adam Schafer:What do you notice with joints, tendons, ligaments any difference yes yes like better way better yes really yeah so i mean so does myostatin also inhibit uh the car like carly is it also work on that i mean it's not technically and again i'm not the guru when it comes to the science on that brian would be a guy that you guys could want to talk to possibly to go deeper on that but i definitely know that one of the things our chemists recommended and and we can talk about this is like what's the ultimate muscle building stack right now in 2026 and you would add tb500 while you're taking this which i've been taking right and that's obviously to increase plasma uh and increase and of course to help with the binding right by the way i gotta tell you this man and i know you started saying this after i told you so i'd like to take the credit you did you did i know what you're gonna go okay dude listen bpc plus tb500 together consistently at the at the higher doses yes it does work it's a muscle building fat 100 it totally changes that's like that's an expensive stack though these days right no it's so much cheaper now oh it is did it come back down because so so it's funny you just said that so we just launched another product which i highly recommend to everybody who's got injuries used which has cartilax added to it oh okay and cartilax is that it's a bioregulator right exactly but it's injectable if if there's something that actually helps to regenerate cartilage or regenerate the nerve fiber bundles in cartilage.

33:32I would think it's that because I've gotten so much feedback from people with low back problems. It's like a better Wolverine stack. It's way better than, way better Wolverine stack.

33:40Adam Schafer:But I just noticed that I get leaner and I have a different quality or different look to my muscles. It's like they look harder. When you told me that two years ago, I went, and I remember I told you guys this, I went and looked at the research and there is research out there that does say that it improves and upregulates androgen receptors. So it makes sense that that's what it's doing. So absolutely, you would take less testosterone, less anabolic agent. Or the same amount. Yeah, and get a better effect, right. So what's the, because you say it's a larger dose. What would you consider a larger dose of TB500 and BPC?

34:11Adam Schafer:Well, so they'll tell you a range. I don't know what the number is, but they'll give you a range and I'll stick to the higher range. Do I have to talk off air to you to get the number? No, I'll give it to you right now. We just talked about this. I just don't remember. Chris Cavallini, the owner of Nutrition Solutions, has an issue in his back right now. And he's like one of the most conditioned guys in the world. And so we just designed a new healing stack for him with this. We call it the Regeno blend and it's TB, BPC and Cardilax. And so it's like one to two milligrams. And by the way, it's 10, 10, 10 in the blend.

34:40So you get 10 milligrams of each, but it's one to two milligrams injected locally at the origin of the injury once to twice a day, depending on how acute the injury is. So if it just happened, you probably want to do it twice a day, morning and night. and then you would throw in, if you want, you can throw in two things. You can throw in obviously copper peptide GHKCU, right? And some people when they inject that locally, they get it burning. Yeah, it burns. So what you can do with that is you can just dilute it more, right? Put more back water in it. Or, and a lot of people are now doing this, you can also take the other bioregulator, which is oral, which is called Sigamir.

35:15Now we are now the first company in the United States that are selling the actual bioregulator, the Russian Cavinson ones, the ones that Seed says don't work. Um, I had, you knew I was going to get that in there. We're the only company in the United States that's manufacturing our own and they are Cavinson. So what we did is we said, you know what? We're going to prove that these work. We're doubled the net ingredient. So all of our capsules have double all the Russian blister pack bioregulators now. So we have one called biocartilage, which is just sigomir, which nobody knows what sigomir means, right?

35:46It's a Russian name. But if you use that in addition, you will definitely get better bonding or better binding because there's just something about that. Again, I've had all these different influencers who use that, who've had shoulder issues that are like, dude, it literally made my shoulder better. Why is there such a divide in the bioregulator thing? Why do half my doctor friends say one side and the other half say the other side? Because it's very easy. You don't notice physical change or feel physical change like you do with peptides. and so the bioregulators are more of a maintenance thing right but i mean i use them i take the bio male my wife takes the bio female um i also use the prostate one it definitely works i mean i'm absolute living proof i also inject prostamax look i brought these with me today you know because i wanted to talk about like the latest stuff but no i mean like look like this is a real pen of prostamax which is straight this is straight from lithuania this guy is a really cool guy he sends these to me but this is literally if i do not inject this once a day i have to go piss twice a night when i go to bed twice a day what with one with i injected every day i only have to go to bathroom once and i pee three times bro you need

36:55Adam Schafer:to be on this my whole life bro you need to be on well yeah yours might be different bro yours is your whole life he's talking about like as you get older well i mean my my prostate i i had to piss twice a night starting at 27 and the doctor that taught me or not taught me but kind of educated to me on what was happening was when i was using rip fuel um you know those things do they do stimulate the smooth muscle lining of the prostate walls right so like they could have increased slight slight hypertrophy and so that would you know cause that compression making you have to piss multiple times but i'm telling you since i started injecting this i only go to bathroom once a night and as you know dude if you don't have to wake up more than once you sleep so much better yeah yeah but again what is this what is this doing so i mean it literally is suppressing the inflammatory cascades that are happening around the prostate as you get older which all men have yeah right i mean the older you get matter time yeah exactly how do you jay how do you guys so because you you guys operate in this like interesting space gray area how do you like what is that like yeah what is that like because that's a that's a i mean you got your instagram taken down you said you just came back but you can't talk about peptides yeah because you because you work in kind of this chill it's so insane what is that like code words and here's the other thing too that space yeah is so crazy it's insane it's wild wild west it's complete wild wild west because you don't know what you're getting you know the only you're i mean i know you i trust you i know where your address is so if you send me something that stuff i'm coming after you we'll get you but what's so tell us about that whole space and what the like what's that like no it's It's an awesome question.

38:29Adam Schafer:How do you operate a business? No, it's an awesome question. So in truth, research use only, which is RUO. Well, first off, we have the best attorney. I'll give him a shout out. If you guys ever need an attorney, we have Jeff Cohen, the honorable Jeff Cohen, who is literally the guy who's created the American Peptide Association. I mean, he's just amazing. He works for pharma. He works for compounders. He represents everybody. He's also got, obviously, research clients like us. but he knows the space from a legal, you know, regulatory standpoint better than anyone else. So obviously we take our advice from him, but the truth is, is, and I told you guys this before, the research community is not under the purview of FDA, right?

39:09So it's not in the legal deal where, where the weird part, the gray area is now with so many people, like you said, in the peptide space, like, you know, there's people literally, I don't know if this is a real peptide company, but I'll just use the name Lone Star Peptides, right? They just pop up and you see on your Instagram or your Facebook. And you're like, oh my God, who's this? These guys are brewing this up in their kitchen or their basement or whatever, their bathroom. But at the end of the day, the reality is, is that all these different companies are not in the research space, again, called RUO.

39:40They're not under the purview of the FDA. They're not technically allowed, which is what we have to deal with every single day, to give advice because they're not a medically authorized or licensed company. So for example, if we sell you bioregulators or these small molecules, which we have all over here, there's nothing wrong with this because the FDA does not care about these oral products. In fact, bioregulators are considered supplements. These are supplements. Small molecules are supplements. So there's nothing illegal about doing that. The FDA though also says with like our peptides, with our injectable peptides, which are considered non-sterile, we cannot promote them for human use.

40:17So that's why it says on the vial for research purposes only, but legally anyone can research on themselves. You can research on yourself. You can research on your dog. So no, but it's true. Right. So, but here's where the divide is to your question. Cause it's the best question anybody can ask me is like we now, and there's not just me, there's tons of other influencers and people talking about it, like if we promote human use from our platform as this is my experience using this, whether I use peptide sciences, biolongevity labs, you know, seeds brand, whomever, I'm allowed to do that because I'm promoting my personal experience, right?

41:01So the line is gray and being straddled when it's an, and again, this comes from our attorney. When an influencer is promoting this as my experience, it's perfectly okay. It's perfectly okay. So what we can't do is I can't I can't be on my company, which is BioLongevity Labs, and sending emails to people saying, this is how you do it. But I can from my personal brand, jcampbell.com, my personal email list, my social media, et cetera. But obviously where it's getting weird is in the social media companies, which are completely under the power and purview of pharma. They're like, oh, delete this guy.

41:35Adam Schafer:Even though I get ads. What I'm doing is wrong. I get ads for research chemicals. Exactly. All the time on Facebook. Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. It's perfectly okay to do that. that's what I'm saying. But if you're somebody like me now and you have a lot of a big audience, which thanks, thanks to you guys, very truthfully, uh, seriously, like it is retarded because like, you're right. There are thousands of people promoting it and they don't even know what they're talking about. Right. Cause they're like imitating and regurgitating stuff. They hear, how do you guys operate your company? Where are you guys based out of?

42:05And how do you guys do all that? Yeah. So, I mean, very, very well, I can say, uh, so we're based out of, uh, Akron, Ohio. That's where our 3PL is. So all of our shipping and our warehousing and all the manufacturing. And then we are in the process of completely owning all of our own API. So we're going to eventually be manufacturing our actual raws in the United States, which is really good. I want to get back to your question because there's a lot of stuff to answer into that question of where this is all going. But right now we buy our actual non-sterile injectable peptides from a couple of places in the U.S.

42:38a company in philadelphia um who actually by the way supplies the majority of compound pharmacies and then uh we get another uh we have another company in california called data in fact data is awesome they're down in uh orange county and in newport um they're going to be responsible for our hair and face product so we actually have a hair and face product coming next year you guys it'll be i mean you guys already know better than already what you have oh yeah i mean well you guys know nick's stuff and and you know nick is amazing and a brilliant chemist but like we decided to just build a kitchen sink product.

43:07So like a product that, so put it this way, I used it for three weeks. We only had a tiny sample bottle of this and it was a spray bottle. And I have pictures. This was back in September, third week of September to the third week or second week of October. And my hair grew like a weed. I mean, it's not going to be a cheap product because it has every single bioactive and under the sun. And they actually spent six months formulating the hair products so that they could know what they could put together, which wouldn't render the other product inert. So it's going to be an insane product. It's probably coming out in February, It's going to be called BioGro.

43:37And then the face and the serum and the cream, because it'll obviously be like a sister product called BioJuvenate. And both of them will be the strongest products in the industry.

43:45Adam Schafer:Do you guys ever get letters from regular leaders that are like, hey, stop talking about this? No. So we do. So back to your original question. So what is coming? And this is all obviously tentative and could change. But we were told, and this is just going back two weeks, that in 2026, Lilly and Novo would just completely enforce all their patents. And so compounders who, as you guys know, 80 % of the compound business is GOPs. Right. 80%. 80%. Wow. Yes. So what we've been told and what their attorneys, and when I say their attorneys, I'm literally talking about FDA level and Lilly, which, by the way, I don't know how you tell the difference anymore because Lilly just became a trillion dollar company.

44:26Did you guys say that? No. trillion dollar market cap. Wow. So imagine the power they have. We've also been told they have a billion dollar legal defense lobby. So that, so I mean, they, they, nobody can compete with them. But so what we've been told is that in 2026, you cannot as a compounder or as a research company make any GLP product. They are going to own the rights. They paid, you know, the billion dollars that they paid to go through stage three trials of all their products and the cease and desist letters, which by the way, We've never gotten a cease and desist letter because we've never sold any of their products, right?

45:00We've sold GLP three, but it's not approved, right? So legally we have the right to do that, but we're not playing the game. We're at the end of this month. We're never going to sell another GLP again because we don't want them coming after us. But the problem is the compounders and I won't name names, but you guys know some of these guys there. I mean, they got problems because they've got massive overheads, massive employees, and 80 % of the revenue is coming from GLPs. and they're being told, again, from what I've been told, that they can't make it anymore. They will have to have ExpressRite from Lilly or from Novo or any of the giant manufacturers, pharmaceutical manufacturers to make it.

45:35So the other side of the coin, and again, this is all what we've been told. I don't know if it actually comes true, is they are going to roll back, which is good for the clinical space, the class two restriction. So all the peptides that are in class two right now, which is most of them, they're going to make them class one, which will mean that anybody can go get a peptide from their doctor so that they'll be legally able to be compounded at most pharmacies. The problem will be for the compounder, if 80 % of your revenue comes from GLP, now you're going to have to scramble and you're going to have to try to market to your clients all these other peptides that you don't know anything about.

46:09Adam Schafer:Now, do you think that, because you guys are smart, do you guys think that someone's going to come out with a kind of a little bit of a different GLP? I already told you about super rata yeah okay which which will be totally different exactly and it's a small molecule so we don't compete with their compatents and and and like i said where i think this goes in in the space is the smarter chemists and people in it are all in the small molecule route because again pharma is like we just want to own gl what do you mean by that by small molecule route like what is that versus big molecule route what's the expensive so yeah no so i mean it's just like a technical term so saying like you don't go down the glp patent pathway you're right and you just start working with all these novel agents that are out there now that are like in the biochemical space that are considered small molecules like for example like shred max like the sloop is a small molecule yeah yeah right um bio mind like you know this non j147 small molecule right the other ones are peptide nupept is obviously a racetam but you've got all these different small molecules that do all these amazing things and right now pharma i mean these are technically small molecules i mean they're peptide proteins but pharma doesn't care about the patent pathways right now of a lot of these they just care about the breadwinner which is glp3 that's where all the money is and and and i didn't tell you guys this and i wanted to bring this up but i'm writing a book which is going to be my best book ever it's called metabolic awakening with glp peptides and it's amazing i mean i my writer's been in there for eight months and i've been in there now for about two and a half months and every time i get out of there my brain is like spinning because i went through all the research i can conclusively tell you guys this and this is going to be good for all the listeners no one is getting side effects from glp drugs they're getting them from their lifestyle yeah i've looked at all the research i've looked at the eye you know i you know i sight eyesight issues gallbladder issues i mean everything every possible conceivable side effect that is all lifestyle related yeah it's all because they're not strength training, eating enough protein, they're starving their body.

48:10And it's from pharma telling them, exactly, giving them too much. That's a big one. Too much. Way too much. It's all too much. Everybody that we've gone through and trained, we've had to tell them to go back and talk to their doctor about going lower. You guys, I'm going to send you, because nobody's seen this yet, because my copywriter subscribes to the diabetic whatever, and they have this new thing. It's coming out in probably February or March, but it's a list of all the things that GLPs do good. It's the most mind-blowing that you've ever seen in your life. It corrects gambling. I mean, all these bad, obsessive-compulsive things that we do, it rewires people.

48:48Do you think there's a fear, Jay,

48:49Adam Schafer:because it is working with the reward pathways that there could be a negative side to that? I mean, I'm sure that there is, but I think, again, everything is dose-related. If we do this, like you guys know how to do it, to use them as microdoses, tools, they're amazing. And imagine the small molecule stuff when we get to like once a month or once every two months, like how much better they'll be. But it's conclusive that it's the dose, the dose response curve is what causes the side effects. If you start high and go higher, which is what pharma wants and which most doctors, and again, you can't blame the doctors.

49:22Is pharma going to correct that ever? No, they're not. It's going to be up to us to correct the doctors so the doctors learn. But you guys know Dr. Taina, there's a lot of doctors that already know and they're doing a great job. you know um but it's up to us and people like us to actually continue to be in the field and experimenting with the micro doses but i'm telling you and the here's the craziest part too the research shows that the micro doses work because you know what the research shows if you start them on a micro dose 95 of them maintain the weight loss 95 and all of the other studies when you start high and go higher it's less than 40 so they all rebound they all have thyroid issues They all have muscle loss issues.

50:04If that research is out, it does not make sense to me why these companies are putting them in the preloaded. Because it's about money, dude. Yeah, but wouldn't it be just as advantageous to keep them on at low dose over a long period of time? No, because they don't make as much money. It'll happen eventually. Yeah, it will. But right now, it's just money. I mean, it literally is. I mean, you guys know this. Trump, I mean, I don't want to say this because we're all fans. But like he, at this point right now, it looks like he sold out to Lily and Novo to give everybody the lower price through their insurance.

50:33But we all know, that's a whole nother podcast. But no, but seriously, like, yeah, once a fan, right. But think about this, like, why would you do that? If you know, cause we all know this from history. If you give complete price control to one or two companies, what happens? Yeah.

50:52Adam Schafer:It's stupid. Yeah. No competition. It's insane. Yeah. So I, the final, to give you, to spin around one more time to your big question, which is a very important question. I see lawsuits in 2026. I see the compounders saying, this is bullshit. You can't do this to us. This is literally antitrust. You're basically saying that Lilly and Novo and whatever other giant, you know, pharmaceutical manufacturer owns everything. It's a monopoly. Exactly. So like if you're Empower, you know, Sean Norian, shout out to Sean, the owner of Empower, the biggest compounder in the country who does very well and has thousands of employees.

51:23you know chris bell works for sean now you know he just called me yesterday like that's not fair to them to say you can't make glps anymore so you're also does does peptides become like marijuana the 90s what do you mean it's a good question so so i mean just what was marijuana in the 90s yeah well what's a billion dollar underground industry everybody was like this shit ain't that bad well i'll tell you what it's a great question rick collins just did an awesome post on Instagram about that because you've got all these doctors that are writing them. And by the way, when they went to class two and restricted, the smart doctors didn't care because they knew they could still write them as off label as a script.

51:59But it's, you know, the younger normie quote unquote docs that don't understand that think, oh, it's illegal. Yeah. But it was never illegal. You just had to write a script and say, hey, I had to find a compounder that made it, right? And you guys know there's compounders that never shut it down.

52:12Adam Schafer:They're also going to kill innovation because if you limit it and say, these are the ones and they're going to be this cheap and there's no competition. Now this rapid innovation into the GLP receptor, the money dries up. And the innovation I think is so important because it went from semaglutide to terzepatide to retatratride. And there's more that's out there. Oh, there's insane stuff. So that's my last chapter of the book is like what's coming and it's insane. I mean, retatrutide, again, I think personally that it could be, and you guys already know this, but I think it could be the drug that could end obesity.

52:48Obviously, we would have to get it to everyone, right? But it's one of those drugs that would help doing that if you could get it to everyone. But there's stuff after retitutide, you guys. I'm not joking that I think retitutide will be a distant memory in two years. Wow. Maybe 18 months. I mean, that's what's coming. I mean, like I said, this super retta, imagine that, and then imagine taking folistatin or something in that pathway and adding to it. So you would create superhumans. You know what I mean? No, but I mean, you will. You'll create metahumans. you take a genetic freak we're gonna need to fight the ai you're already doing that you kind

53:23Adam Schafer:of have to figure this out i gotta tell you what's crazy is i have friends that compete in pro bodybuilding and now they all use uh reda yeah they all use pre-contest and they're like this is the easiest greatest thing this is the easiest pre-contest ever but you guys remember i told you that two years ago on our podcast i said reda true tide when it first came out and you guys thought i was probably even crazier than you think i am now i was like this will revolutionized bodybuilding and it already has and you know and that's that's the hardest part of bodybuilding is getting ready exactly if your diet was crushed naturally and you know your muscle i think it's better what we don't talk about is because you guys know how bad it is for women right they over diet they crash their thyroid and then they rebound and they get fat and they never train again or exercise again it's it's solving the women problem better than anything because they don't have the food noise after and so they don't you know gorge and yes Yes.

54:12Yes. So it's a total game changer for women. And I hear that because I have so many women in my private membership group who tell me that red or fruit tide changed their life, you know, competitors because they don't, they don't rebound anymore. Yeah. I mean, I could see actually just using it. I've never, I didn't think about that. When I think back to all the ways I dieted, like what a smart way to use it to reverse diet. Exactly. So I actually wouldn't. Oh, a hundred percent. Like I probably wouldn't even use it in the competition. Yeah. You would do it. Because I can do that, but when I get off, control the crazy rebound of aggressive eating.

54:43Well, dude, I would actually, dude, you're so smart. I would actually say that you would even be better in that way anyway, because you would put muscle on after. Right. You would permanently keep. Yes. Yes. No, it's a game changer.

54:55Adam Schafer:Red Hat's got some muscle building effects. It does. Because of its insulin sensitivity effects. It does. It does. Nutrient partitioning, insulin signaling, 100 % builds muscle. Yeah, really. Or definitely preserving. That's for sure. Tell me about clotho. What is clotho? that's the other one i hear you talking about yeah so so clotho is incredible so first off if we look into the research i sent you guys the articles um clotho comes from a greek goddess of vitality and so these japanese chemists discovered it like in 1998 or 1999 same time i met uh dan du chan by the way how funny is that um and some subsequently since then millions if not hundreds of millions, probably billions have gone into researching it.

55:36Like, how can we use this protein? It is an endocrine hormone technically, but how can we use this to forestall aging and extend life? Because it's responsible for almost every single bioenergetic and cellular cascade in the world, right? From heart, sexual function, brain function, endothelial function. It's incredible. So Monica and I have been using it since the end of August. Our chemist gave it to us then so i've technically now been on it for about close to four months and it's very subtle the thing that you will notice especially being in monogamous relationship is that like your sex is like what is going on because it's increasing endothelial sensitivity right so like three days after our first shot we were just i can't remember we were having sex and i was like what the fuck is going on like but both of us like we were like you know this is strange or like she doesn't know me or like i mean it was so insane and so since then our sex has become amazing like in the very beginning of our relationship and we've been together for 14 years right so like every time we have sex now we're like really looking forward to it so like that's one of the noticeable things um why do you stack it why is it with fault with false well you don't have to so anybody can use clotho in fact i would just say this if you're 35 and older you want clotho because if you look at the science we start dropping our clotho levels at 35 in fact it literally goes from like you lose like it's like the testosterone decline but it's greater so it's like one and a half to three percent is it connected or any relation to like if you were on hgh or you were on testosterone does that clotho level come up no no so it's just it's just an endocrine protein that affects aging and all the cellular cascades of aging so if you take a tiny bit exogenously as you get older you will maintain a younger biological age.

57:24And I'm already noticing that like, no lie. I just did a presentation at hack your health two weekends ago and I only had 30 minutes and I had an 86 slide deck and I'm like, how am I going to do this? Right. And I went through it so fast. I figured in my mind, I was like speaking so fast that nobody in this audience even has a clue what I was saying. And all of a sudden I look at the clock and I got two minutes and 30 seconds for my 10 minutes of Q and a, and I'm like, Oh my God, I just went through an 86 slide deck. So when I got out, I'm like, okay, I must be thinking like I went so fast. Nobody understood it.

57:52And everybody came up to me like, whoa, bro, that was amazing. And I was like, was I too fast? No. So I think your brain, the clock speed, it's working. It's improving your brain too. I will tell you guys this. The one other thing that I've noticed about how amazing it is in the four, four months in a week that I've been on it, not had a single morning. I woke up depressed. Not one day that I woke up where I was like, ah, you know, I'm just, cause you know, we all have those ups and downs and those ebbs and flows. But that's one of the other things it does. It improves wellbeing. Wow. So it does so many things.

58:24I mean, this really is the fountain of youth molecule. Now there you gotta be careful because there's other companies out there that are selling this. There's people in the clinical space selling it and they're selling it between five to 10 times more expensive than us monthly, right? Like right now and we're out of the fall statin, but you can get a month supply of this for 380 bucks. So we had tons of people buy this for an entire year. I

58:46Adam Schafer:bought it from the whole year what's the other there's one peptide that's supposed to be good for telomere epitilon yeah so how does it compare to epitilon for way better not you can't i mean epitilon is good don't get me wrong it's just not noticeable yeah i've used it yeah yeah yeah this is noticeable like you want to take this because you feel the end where you really feel is the endothelial sensitivity right so you get better erections like my wife stays wetter faster and again you know for people in their 50s this is a serious thing you know what i mean and i can't imagine what it's like for people in 60s 70s 80s so this is without a doubt a billion dollar product um you know our chemist told me this he started telling me this in april of this year you know at that point it was just like whatever dude that sounds cool but then we started using it i'm like oh my god right so um there'll be other versions i would assume and other companies will reverse engineer this and you know it will come out and by the way it's the same 19 day album in binder in this product that he has in the fall stat yeah so he's just a very infrequent yeah twice a month in fact you don't want to inject too much of clotho like more is not better because we only have a tiny bit amount from our cellular cascade standpoint anyway so it's like i think and i'm going from memory but i'm pretty sure that the human adult male or female is the same has anywhere from like eight to 15 micrograms plasma concentration over a seven day period.

1:00:11So this is just 10 micrograms every two weeks. So it's technically five a week. So you're just slightly bumping where you would be. And that's all you need because it dramatically improves cellular signal.

1:00:22Adam Schafer:When you, when you work with people, Jay, uh, you must have a lot of fun when you work with like the, the bodybuilder cosmonauts, because you get to push the limits and have a lot of fun with that. What do you learn from working with people like that? Just what the upper limits are of performance? I mean, yeah. So it's a good question. With these products, like 10 milligrams, like folistatin just to switch, 10 milligrams is the most you'd want to go, like really push the limits. Yeah, because what happens if you take more? Well, if you take more, you just won't get more of an effect because of the saturation, right?

1:00:54Because of the way it binds, it's saturation. Now, that's not to say that if somebody did take 15 a week that they might gain more muscle faster. But over time, the way it saturates and binds, you're not going to see that much more. Is it not relative to the size, like the difference of a 130-pound woman versus a 250-pound bodybuilder? So for folostatin, it would be for a woman, it would take less for sure. But let's just say you get to 200 pounds as a man, it's all going to be kind of the same. And now if you maybe had a 300-pound bodybuilder, maybe they could go up a little bit but again it's just the way it binds actually to androgen receptors and the way it's again has a 19 day plasma half-life it doesn't there's a certain level where you're you're saturated and so you won't get that much but um yeah to your question i mean i definitely have people that push the envelope um i think where we're going with small molecules uh and obviously just newer and newer because there's novel peptides coming out now too there's like a cancer killing peptide it's impossible to get it um i've recently i'm sure you guys have but i haven't personally until recently but i've been experimenting with cerebral isin oh my god cerebral yeah so what is it so tell me about that absolutely amazing i might have injected this morning i'm guessing it's for the brain oh my god with the name it's i'm not well so here's what's so crazy about cerebral isin you cannot sell it as a research company you cannot sell it as a pharmacy they will come and shut you down padlock your door arrest you and put you in jail i'm not joking and and the reason they say that is because it comes from pigs.

1:02:26It's porcine. That's how they make it. But if you look at the DNA of a pig and you compare it to the DNA of a human, it's almost like an anatomical blueprint. Yes, it's insane. Which is another podcast probably. Yeah, it is another podcast. We don't want to go down that. Pigs are filthy animals that root in shit. Samuel L. Jackson. It is amazing. I just started using it a week ago. uh our friend who i won't mention yeah uh you know gave it to me and he's like bro you got to start taking this and so it's a 60 milligram vial and both my wife and i have been taking it we've actually only had three injections today was my third it's dude they they actually give it on they actually have it on emt trucks in the balkan countries when somebody has a heart attack or they have an aneurysm or they have a vent you know what do you call it a sclerotic event they they give them a giant IV of this stuff because it prevents damage to the brain.

1:03:24That's how amazing it is. Wow. So yes. So like all of us should literally be on cerebral is in, uh, why we're not again, you know, blame the pharmaceutical companies, blame whoever is in control of the United States. But I mean, it's absolutely amazing. Yeah. I've only had three shots. Uh, you injected, I am it's water, you know, it's like a normal aqua space peptide, but you want to inject it into the, into the vasculature to get effect right away. But I'm not kidding you. My first injection was on today's Tuesday, Friday, did one Sunday, did one this morning. And my first injection within 30 minutes, I was like, you sound smarter today.

1:03:57It's not even that. It's not the smarter. You think it's smarter. It's well-being. Maybe that's what I feel. It's doing weird things in your head that makes you feel better. Like you actually just have this sense of like everything is awesome. I have a left field question for you. how does a guy like you find someone like monica 14 years ago willing to be a guinea pig like you and try all these things how did you find it dude it's honestly a miracle so this is so weird i mean with like you know katrina's mom and the whole stuff like we just had a woman that came and spent time with us she's from southern california too were you were you uh spiritual before her yeah okay yeah yeah but like she made me much more spiritual okay like you know i didn't even really know that about her or you until all that yeah yeah no no no so i like always have been in that path i mean obviously we were both of us were raised catholic so we had like that whole abrahamic catholic stuff but like in the background we were you know more into like i would call it the spiritual i mean i don't know really what it is it's just like we have love in us right but um and by the way props to you guys for taking a stand on that now i know you guys are doing a lot of that stuff and that's awesome you know if we want to talk about that we can but uh um she this woman came for us for thanksgiving and she brought her machine and it's like a i forget it is it's some sort of machine that measures like uh the bioenergetic wave of the person and so they can kind of tell if you're in trauma you know if you have like a lot of trauma energy or if you're like you know balanced and centered yeah and she ran our energy and she's like i've done 1600 people in my life and you and your wife have the exact same match oh wow and so i was like this was her first date this was on this she ran us on thanksgiving day and she ran monica in the morning and i was like that's bs like you you must have you probably didn't maybe it just took the same inputs and she's like no i literally shut the machine down and i unplugged it and i reran it and you guys had the same three attributes that it measures and again it's it's measuring you know you could probably say it's kind of a woo-woo machine but it does measure like your bioenergetics.

1:05:59Adam Schafer:It's not like Dianetics, is it? No, no, no, no. No, no, no. This machine, no, this machine is like$26 ,000 machine. It's a serious machine and it measures like your waves and stuff like that. Right. So anyway, we, we each have the energy that your body emits. A hundred percent, a hundred percent. But it, but it also gives you like a, a qualitative of like this energy is saying that you're here and you're here and you're here. And she said she had never seen two people that had the exact three top qualities that she measured. And she also measured everybody at the house. My daughters, Monica's sister was there.

1:06:33We had a couple of friends. And so everybody had different things, but she's like, you guys are so in sync that you had the same three things. I was like, that's pretty weird. How far into the relationship was it at that point? Well, this is brand new. So we're 14. She just did this on Thursday. Oh, you're telling me this just happened. Oh, that's interesting. So it was so weird because we're like, I mean, I didn't believe it. Well, I mean, it's crazy when you, you share that of all the stuff that she's willing to do, it's just like, uh, that's so well so i mean like i i really honestly do feel like we probably shared a past life or past experience or something our souls you know met up how did you meet how did you originally meet match.com shut up dude the story monica has told the story but it's incredible she she basically was with her girlfriend and their kids they're both divorcees and they were in hawaii and they did the whole bottle thing of like what i want to meet in a man and they put it and threw it out into the ocean and then she came home she flew back from they were in waikiki and that she flew home and um she sent a message to like 20 guys on match.com and she's like and she and she canceled her account and she gave her real email address and i was the only person who responded this is in 2012 and and i was like i mean dude i was so in the ego mind and such a bad not where i am now spiritually um i was literally like on my match.com profile it was like if you look like a 10 in a bikini do not respond to me that's how whacked i was of course you did if you are not a 10 in a bikini do not respond to me that's how whacked i was right so so she actually wrote an email back to me and her her this was fascinating she didn't have a picture of herself other than you know mock turtleneck with her daughter i mean i could tell she was an attractive woman but i was like this is so weird so anyway i responded to her and her and i met at match.com I mean at a restaurant in Pasadena California Conrad's which is now gone and uh and literally I just met her and sat down at the table and just threw all my crap at her for 30 minutes thinking that she would be like get up and say all right bro I'm out of here and she was like oh that's interesting here's my story and then I was like I was like enamored at how spiritually advanced she was because I had been meeting and of course I'm attracting the worst people because I'm a mess but like I just met nothing but women that were a disaster and I meet her and she's just like this I'm like holy shit like I I really was so broken but I was into like learning from her like how to become like her because she was so centered so balanced so calm you know and she was coming out of a divorce too and she had three kids and stuff and so everything attempted to destroy our relationship in the first six months because I lived in studio city you guys I was living in a 220 foot studio apartment just coming out of a divorce I was destroyed I mean I was put in jail my kids were kidnapped from me everything that could go wrong was bad and she lived in San Dimas I gotta know why you went to jail I didn't know you went to jail oh dude that story is incredible yeah no no

1:09:31I'll just tell you the whole story so my ex was dating a ex sheriff without me knowing when I was working and they cocked up a scheme to put me in jail. What? Wait, how do they get after? Okay. So she's, she's dating the sheriff post you. No, no, no. We're together. You're together. She's cheating on you with the sheriff. Yes. And he's like, I got an idea. He wasn't, he wasn't, I would get rid of this. He was actually now a, like he, him and his partner had a fitness photography thing. i won't tell you who they are but you guys probably know who they are okay and um because they're pretty well known and anyway they were carrying this on and i came back from a um a corporate meeting in chicago and i went to bed we were living in las vegas at the time and i woke up with las vegas metro mr campbell what were the charges oh you know i beat her up or domestic violence or something like that you know just made up but that just sent me that put me back i mean i I lost my standing as a corporate wage slave, which was obviously for the good because I ended up meeting Monica like nine or 10 months later.

1:10:39But I had my kids kidnapped from me. My daughters were only 18 months. My youngest was 18 and my oldest was about three and a half. Oh, my gosh. No, no, no. So it was a disaster. I mean, I literally had to rebuild my life completely. I mean, I lost my job over it. I had charges. I had a record. So I couldn't get a job back in my industry. And I was a very accomplished guy in the digital automotive marketing world. This was all the way up until I was 42. So it happened when I was 41, and then the whole effect was lasting for a year. And then I met Monica when I was 42, when I was forced to come back to Southern California because I couldn't get a job.

1:11:17I couldn't pass a background check because all the things were on me. So it took four years for me to suppress my record and to do all the things I had to do because I had community service and I had to deal with all this stuff. But it was all fabricated. All the stuff was suppressed. Uh, my wife actually admitted it to me, which was crazy. Cause she wasn't the ex-wife, excuse me. And, and by the way, we're totally amicable and you know, she's done a good, you're amicable with her after all that. I mean, it was, it was, it was very tough in the beginning, but you know, as you know, forgiveness is a big thing.

1:11:47You know, it takes a very, very spiritually sound and centered and balanced person to forgive. You're right. And, and, and as you guys know, forgiveness is not for them, it's for you. And that's what people don't understand, right? It's always for you. Holding your grudge is swallowing poison. Exactly. So I forgave her, even though in the first two years, it was like, I remember attempting to explain to my friends and my inner circle people who didn't believe me. I bet. Because the charges, you know, you had the picture, you know. I mean, I got into a fight one year after that with one of my brothers at Christmas because he came in and he showed my mugshot.

1:12:27He's like, oh, you must be such a winner. And I was like, why are you doing that? And he's like, because you're a tool or something like that. I just turned and just, I hit him so hard, like knocked over the Christmas tree. It was awesome. Oh, I mean, I would probably, I mean, that would make it, I mean, to be accused of something like that. The next three years of my life was insane. Yeah, I bet. I didn't have my kids. And so when I met Monica and I gave her that whole story and she found out that I didn't have my kids and I was a disaster and that, you know, I mean, it devastated me to lose my daughters.

1:12:58I mean, I, of course. And very truthfully for one year, the only time I heard from them was when she would call me or text me at the end of the month. She never called me. She texts me. She might leave me a message, a voice message. And she says, where's my money? Right. And, and my attorney at the time, because of all the charges that were against me told me, he's like, you can't respond. You can't call. Cause they can just reopen the charges and go after you, you know? So I think you guys probably have a ton of men in your audience that have gone through the family court system and had these tape of, you know, it's called, what do you call it?

1:13:28Domestic violence, DV, charges because a lot of them are made up. And in Vegas, in Nevada, when it happened, the rule is or the law is they have to arrest, if they come out, they have to arrest the biggest person. So my ex was a tiny little, you know, ex fitness model. But she wasn't there anyway. They planned this, took my two daughters in the middle of the night and then the cops came to the morning. Were you able to rekindle your relationship with your kids or to destroy that no um well man it would make me cry if i told you guys this but when i first saw my baby girl a year later she was crying she didn't know who i was and that was oh my god that was unbelievable but yeah we have an amazing relationship now um i ended up raising them so this is the cool thing about monica so once i told monica the story and we were dating she said we're gonna get the kids back and they're gonna be living with you in a year and i was like okay okay woo woo woman right okay you know like i totally doubted her 11 months we had him back shut up she met my ex and convinced her like the kids the girls were going to be much better with me and her and and my ex was a broken person way way more broken at that point even than i was because that guy had of course dumped her right so she's now living in florida with the two girls and she doesn't have much money.

1:14:49And just out of spite, she was keeping them from me. So once Monica met her, we had them.

1:14:56Adam Schafer:No way. And so then we ended up raising them from, they were four and a half, well, no, technically almost five. And Gabby, the youngest, was like three. And so we raised them in Southern California until then, until we ended up sending them. When I met you guys back, remember I told you that I was sending them back to Florida because the whole letter I got from Gavin Newsom about where we know you're homeschooling, your daughters and if we find out if the homeschooler is not vaxxed we're you're committing a felony blah blah blah so to her credit being my ex she stepped up when we sent them back to live with them in um in florida bro that's so rad that you wow yeah that's rad i did not know that yeah no i i mean i mean everything happens for a reason you guys know that man you know you know god puts obstacles i mean that's why we're here right we're here to evolve and grow our souls and it's like Like you can choose to grow and evolve through the contrast or you can just, you know, detach and become a victim.

1:15:51And so many people do. Right. And that's why, like, I had to learn to forgive. And I had so many of my friends were like, how can you forgive her? I'm like, bro, how can I not? Right. Like, that's why we're here. We're here to forgive people. Yes. You can be you can be hurt and you can be blinded and you can be affronted. And clearly I did things that got me there. Yeah. You know, I was not the best person. I was living in a pure ego mind. I was a bad person. I mean, I take total full ownership of all the bad things I did, but that happening to me, I didn't think I deserved, but I learned that, you know what?

1:16:24It was part of the process. And so I evolved through that. I met this amazing woman who, you know, helped raise my daughters. Both of my daughters are very advanced, you know, souls and girls. Now, uh, my 18 year old is she got a 1480 on her SAT. Wow. You know, so she's brilliant, you know, off the charts has full scholarships everywhere. and then my sophomore is not as smart you know on paper but she's very advanced too and so both of them really learned from me and monica and they got really awesome you know upbringing that's a badass that she called that and 11 months later you had dude it's incredible i mean that's like such a rare story totally i mean especially when you figure your record yep you being the dad like and that's why i had to tell monica that that hey because her brother was a lapd cop and he was a detective with rampart right like downtown in the worst division of la i said you know because i know i knew he would run my record sure and so i told her from day one i was like because she told me she had a cop i was like oh well just so you know here's the full disclosure and he did and he was messaging are you sure you want to be with this guy yeah you know so there was a lot to overcome but um but you know what it was worth it um and she also was coming out of a horrible divorce too and her her ex is was a total um how you want to say he's like the the parental alienation syndrome you know dad who pitted all their kids because she had three kids from him yeah and she pitted that was the one middle son didn't talk to her for seven years so while we were together he would not come around because like he kept telling them that like monica was just going through a midlife crisis and she would eventually come back to him even though we had already living together and married so yeah it was uh it was it was a very interesting time but um there's no doubt that i think monica and i came together for a very very spiritual purpose and and obviously now with our community and all the people that we're working with and helping it's all worked out perfect because we have that like experience to really sound off on yeah it's always fun having you and so when can we expect false staten i mean you guys honestly are going to have false staten and clotho probably within the the next seven to ten days i mean if i have it on thursday i'll just have it mailed to you guys

1:18:36Adam Schafer:please yeah i'll talk about it no you guys definitely definitely want to have it and and and you know we didn't talk about any of these products but for sure definitely try the shred max i got one of these for you too because he won't take it uh but you guys you're like the best friends for sure the bio mind oh no no this one too what do we got here that's the the bio at max. I see the ingredients. Well, just open it. All of you guys take it before you guys lift because you'll be like, whoa. Yeah, you don't mess around. That's for sure. At all. For sure. It's always great. Always good time. Guys, I love you.

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