2844: You're Destroying Your Bones Without Knowing It, Here's the Fix

15:43Adam Schafer:Right? Oh, yeah, because you could lift weights and see that you're stronger.

15:47Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. It's something that, exactly. They're getting like real-time feedback. You don't have to go to the doctor and get a bone density test every three to six months just so you can find out, am I doing the right things? It's like if you are feeding your body properly, getting stronger in your workouts, you're more than likely going to be improving bone density.

16:05Adam Schafer:Yes. And, you know, the thing about this, too, is when you look at causes of death, like the major causes are heart disease and cancer, right? Diabetes is up there because it can lead to both. But what we don't see are falls and breaks and injuries that then lead to those things. So there's a saying in medicine. I remember I trained a lot of doctors and they said. I break a hip and. Diab pneumonia. Diab pneumonia, yep. You know, if you break a bone and then you're incapacitated for a while and you're in your 70s, your health, it goes down a hill fast, like very quickly. And you see this. It's well observed, well documented.

16:49Adam Schafer:So the last thing you want to do is fall down and break something. And by the way, falling down and losing your balance is less about your vestibular system. Like it's less about the balance of the vestibular system and more about weakness. This is why people fall. So yes, you can also lose your balance because of vertigo or the vestibular system being a bit off. That can definitely happen. But more often than not, when people fall as they age, it's because they're weak. And weakness leads to instability and loss of balance. And so when you see someone who's older fall, it almost looks like they can't catch themselves and their body doesn't move fast enough.

17:29Adam Schafer:And then they kind of tip over like a tree and hit the ground. And that's just, they're just not, they just don't have the strength. And so strength training is like imperative. When you, when you look at all the factors that affect us as we age, like one day, a week of strength training, this is what, this is the best part about it. One day, a week of proper strength training, miraculous two days a week. Perfect.

17:53Sal Di Stefano:You're done. Well, wasn't, wasn't you brought up a study, before it's like once every two weeks just to just to not lose muscle it's just not lose muscle i mean it's very minimal to that you have to do to actually see you possibly i i can't stress though enough the wit paired with the nutrition because i just think that a lot of people um gets overlooked a lot yeah especially with my female clients that have either yo-yo died their whole life or kept their calorie intake so afraid of gaining weight gaining weight and so um and and that's been the challenge that i had as a trainer was like getting those clients to increase calories in conjunction with lifting weights it's like okay we're doing the right things inside the gym i know we are because i'm training you but i also need you to go and go after those calories go after that protein intake to make sure that we go build yeah and so that

18:40Adam Schafer:that's so important to this this process totally this is why one of the reasons why i used to love training um people and we used to classify an advanced age uh one of the one of the classify that anymore because you're in there what was that advanced age for trainers was what 55 and older i think that's what the the training manuals would say and doug you're in advanced age what's up that the cotton top yeah era that's what we call them silver sneakers yeah there you go all the people listening right now just pissed off now um the one of the reason why i like to train people in their late 60s 70s and up uh was you know it's so rewarding as a trainer to work with a client and to see them, you know, lose weight, become healthier, more fit, you know, they like the way they look.

19:28Adam Schafer:Like, it's so rewarding to hear that. But when I would train people in their late 60s and 70s, the stuff they would come back with was so life-changing. It wasn't like I lost 30 pounds. Like, that could be life-changing too. But it was like, I can go up

19:43Sal Di Stefano:the stairs yeah it's the abilities that they regain it's it's so encouraging yeah i've had old clients like that where it's like you know now i can i can lift this and i can be independent and and go to the grocery store and you know they could do all these things now like and they're

20:00Adam Schafer:self-sufficient yeah i've told you guys a story before i'll never forget it was like almost got me uh emotional i had a woman that i trained in her 80s and um she walks in and she was the condition when she hired me her daughter hired me to train and we'd been working together at this point for i don't remember how long it was like a couple years very basic stuff right and again late i think mid to late 80s and she walks into my studio and it wasn't a time that we were training and i'm like oh did i mess up on the schedule whatever i say hey what are you what are you doing here it's like oh i was grocery shopping next door and i had to come in and tell you something i'm like what is it she goes i closed the trunk of my car for by myself for the first time she goes i always have to ask the bagger to load it and close it she's like but i reached up with my arm and i was able to close it and she came in to tell me that yeah and i remember we're like and i had other trainers in there we all kind of you know applauded and everything but you know

20:53Sal Di Stefano:it's like so incredibly what's the saying you don't you don't realize how much you appreciate something until you don't have it yes you know it's like one of those simple things in life that we all probably take for granted until you don't have it you can't do it anymore totally and so super rewarding when you give it back to a client yes all right speaking of health thug bring up

21:09Adam Schafer:that study from dose this is really cool what is it on so so dose is one of the companies we work with um they have two main products one is for liver health and the other one is for cholesterol and what they did and this is what i like about dose so a lot of supplement companies will sell products for particular things dose actually uh invested in a study like a legit clinical study So it's like, does it actually work? Here's what they found in their 90-day clinical study. Read those results for me. Yeah, so LDL, 95 % of participants had an improvement. Triglycerides, 90 % an improvement. And total cholesterol, 81%.

21:52Adam Schafer:Three months. Yeah. Just by supplementing that. With dose. It's all natural. Read the ingredients, Doug. So people will go on a statin with all kinds of side effects and stuff like that. This is a natural product. What are those ingredients that I feel? So, yes, it's amla fruit extract, inositol, pomegranate fruit extract, organic ginger, organic turmeric, coenzyme Q10, lycopene, black pepper extract. And you just take like a few ounces of it every single day. Two ounces, yeah. Two ounces of it every single day. And the odds, the high odds are you'll see an improvement. There's also niacin and folate.

22:32Adam Schafer:In all of those numbers.

22:33Sal Di Stefano:I mean, more than high, 90%. Yeah. Isn't that great? That's a huge.

22:37Adam Schafer:I love it when companies put out studies because then you're just like, all right, is this going to work? It's like, yeah, dude. Here, 90 days. Give it a shot. Yeah. Go get your blood test. Watch what happens.

22:45Sal Di Stefano:That's great. I always think it's so cool when we have, I mean, those are all things found in nature.

22:49Adam Schafer:Yeah. That's what, it's awesome.

22:51Sal Di Stefano:I know. It's just ideal.

22:53Adam Schafer:Well, I think, too, when it comes to like certain things like blood tests, there's just skepticism around supplements. It's like, okay, yeah, I know that supplements are good, but I think I need a medication.

23:06Sal Di Stefano:My doctor says I need a medication. That's my point. Normally you go to the doctor. Or like a radical change in your lifestyle.

23:13Adam Schafer:This is just you take a few ounces of this day. This gets downplayed all the time. You don't know the actual efficacy of it.

23:18Sal Di Stefano:That's right. I mean, I wonder what those studies look like paired with some exercise.

23:22Adam Schafer:Oh, that's exactly what I was thinking. Do that with lifestyle change?

23:26Sal Di Stefano:It's like if that's just by, their study is just showing by adding that, it's like what happens when you add one day or two days of strength training per week totally and a walk every other day or something like that person probably i mean that number i mean i mean

23:38Adam Schafer:of course truth be told i got people to improve their their blood lipids without supplements just exercise and diet that's just a bigger thing to do yeah that's all lifestyle change this is like super easy here drink a little bit every day yeah and see what happens yeah that's red pretty cool stuff i got i read the coolest it's kind of sad but cool story uh today um so i've been going through and reading let's see i wrote it down um i've been going through and reading about people that were deemed saints by like the traditional you know churches catholic and orthodox church and there's this one saint, St.

24:19Adam Schafer:Vitalis of Gaza, and his story is really wild. So this guy was a monk from a monastery near Gaza. So this was modern day Palestine. So this was a long time ago. In his old age, he worked as a day laborer and he would do really hard manual labor to earn wages. And every night he would take his money and he would go and visit different brothels. and he would hire a prostitute every night. That's what he did. Everybody on the outside was like, this is scandalous.

24:51Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, they're going to scoff at that.

24:52Adam Schafer:This is horrible. Who is this? How dare he be a monk? He was doing it for her to do something else. Dude, so he would go in and it was a different brothel. Night after night, he did it for a decade, for a long time. And eventually, somebody killed him over it. So he got hit over the head and murdered because they thought he was a scandalous, horrible person. and reality what he was doing was when he would be alone with these women in the room he witnessed he would pay them yeah first he'd give them money yeah and then he'd say i've paid for this night so you can spend it without sin and then he would encourage them to sleep and he would stay awake all night and pray over them wow and he would do this every single night and they didn't find out until his burial his funeral when many of these women came forward publicly and say he saved me I got married.

25:42Adam Schafer:I became a mother. I was able to leave the brothel because of this man. So he became the same. But he lived his whole life, the whole town.

25:49Sal Di Stefano:He had that stigma up until his death. People didn't know. That's his actual. What's crazy. So wild that somebody wouldn't have found out beforehand. It's so weird.

26:00Adam Schafer:Because they wanted to keep it quiet. He wanted to keep it quiet. They were just like, maybe they were afraid of the owners of the brothel. Who knows?

26:08Sal Di Stefano:Some of the backlash.

26:09Adam Schafer:Yeah, what's cool about this is he, because I'm sure he knew that everybody thought he was this horrible man, but without elevating himself and saying, you guys don't know what I'm doing. I'm trying to help these girls. He let himself be thought of as this piece of crap while protecting these women. Yeah. And. Interesting. Doing something like that every single day. Isn't that crazy? That is crazy. I know. I read that story and I was like, man.

26:30Sal Di Stefano:That's cool. That's super rare to find. Super rare. Super, super rare. Super interesting.

26:35Adam Schafer:Anyway, I got a Florida doctor story. Yeah. Florida doctor. And it always starts with Florida.

26:40Sal Di Stefano:I know that what we did the other day was hilarious. We just pulled up the date. Florida man. And your birthday, what was it? Is that going live yet? My favorite pastime. It probably has. Has it? It's been a while.

26:49Adam Schafer:We should do Dylan's birthday. Let's see what Dylan comes up with. What was it? It was Florida man. And then your birthday. And then your birthday. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Or just the date. The month and the day of that. What's your month and day for your birthday? February 28th. So February 28th, Florida man. Let's see what Dylan. I remember whose was the worst? Was yours, Justin? I'm pretty sure it was mine. You had a pretty bad pizza break.

27:10Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, I had some real douche bags.

27:12Adam Schafer:Florida man ends a standoff for a slice of pizza. That's not bad, dude. It is. So there was a doctor in Florida who was supposed to, I'll pull up just to make sure I get the right details. He was supposed to remove a person's spleen and instead removed his liver. What? And the guy died. What? Wow. Yeah, dude. How does that happen? Dude, it's rare, but it happens. You know that happens too when people get an amputated limb? Oh, yeah.

27:48Sal Di Stefano:I've actually heard people mark themselves before surgery because of that.

27:53Adam Schafer:They actually do that in surgery. Yeah. So they'll have several people mark the right. Don't cut. The right, the proper arm. This is a good one. Keep me. Can you imagine going in there? You're supposed to remove your right leg. You're sad about it. Imagine you wrote.

28:08Sal Di Stefano:How do you get the wrong organ, dude? That's a whole different thing. That's a whole different thing. The limb one almost makes sense. Does he refer to the charting was wrong? I don't know. How does that? I don't know, dude. That's messed up. Yeah, the limb makes sense because in the chart it says right, and you're facing them and you think to your right or something like that. You've got to lose your license for that. The wrong organ is like, what are you doing?

28:34Adam Schafer:I don't know about you guys, but if I take my car to the mechanic and they do something wrong, I'm furious, dude. Oh, yeah.

28:40Sal Di Stefano:Something like this, bro.

28:42Adam Schafer:Well, it's tough, dude. Did that just happen? Yeah, it just happened. It's like a big deal. Yes.

28:47Sal Di Stefano:Forgery is always risky, man. There's always things like that happen.

28:51Adam Schafer:What do you say? I actually feel, I mean, I know the documentary. How old is the guy? Do you know? 70. I feel bad for the. Not that that's better, but I think. I know. Imagine the doctor, like, after he finds out.

29:00Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. Well, especially if it's obviously unintentional.

29:03Adam Schafer:You remember that feeling you got when you were a kid, when you got caught, like your parents caught, and you're like, oh, my God, they fell down. And that dread feeling? Oh, yeah. Multiply times a million. You're responsible for that? Oh, man. This guy's like, uh-oh, I just, what do I do? Yeah.

29:17Sal Di Stefano:I mean, well, you're fired right after that?

29:19Adam Schafer:You're done. Oh, yeah, of course you're going to lose.

29:21Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, you know, I mean, and also probably mega sued, right?

29:24Adam Schafer:I mean, you got insurance and stuff that I think covers that, but. Doesn't it cover something? Malpractice? Well, a lot of hospitals. There still has to be a lawsuit, I'm sure. Yeah, malpractice will cover. through that but i i would just i mean what do you do i think i'd hide i think i'd hide in the covered in a situation like that they have malpractice insurance yeah they have to be

29:43Sal Di Stefano:insured yeah yeah dude no i get that to be insured but i didn't realize like like for for

29:48Adam Schafer:mistakes negligence so malpractice is the main basically and it okay and then it covers even

29:54Sal Di Stefano:like death you make a mistake and kill somebody which which uh medical practice has the highest

30:00Adam Schafer:malpractice. I think in California, it's OBs. Oh, really? Yes, because I think that they're... You think it'd be cosmetic? No, I think it's OBs because they're responsible for... I think they're responsible up until the kid is 18 for things that can be tied back to the delivery.

30:16Sal Di Stefano:Oh, interesting.

30:17Adam Schafer:I think that's in California, if I'm not mistaken. Interesting. Yeah, so, but... All the way up till 18? I believe so. I trained an OB and I'm... That's wild. And I think she told me that hers... I wonder

30:27Sal Di Stefano:how often that is somebody comes back

30:29Adam Schafer:17 years later and it's like we've well it looks like my autism was connected to what you did when i was born or something like that wow they can wow look at that what is it neurosurgery and thoracic cardiovascular uh highest annual malpractice claim rates oh wow yeah okay so ob's and general surgery i also have the highest surgery nearly 19 of these specialists facing

30:52Sal Di Stefano:claims yearly that's rough well that's almost a almost a quarter of them are are yearly facing claims yeah well i mean that's about what you're doing imagine i well no of course it's one of them it's probably the isn't that the most risky yeah it's risky surgery as it gets

31:11Adam Schafer:yeah yeah dude yeah i don't know about you guys but when i meet i don't know you know i know like uh it's like i don't know i think sometimes especially in our space people talk about doctors in a particular way. When I meet doctors, especially surgeons, I'm like, for me, it's like a celebrity. And I don't mean that like I'm like, oh, I mean, that's like, man, you're doing it.

31:30Sal Di Stefano:It's incredible.

31:32Adam Schafer:They're so skillful. I mean, for me personally, it's automatic respect. Automatic respect.

31:38Sal Di Stefano:Well, isn't that what, I mean, surgeons are like the, you know, F1 drivers of the medical field. I mean, when you think of like F1 racing as like the pinnacle of racing is like there's only 20 in the world that make it to that level. It's like that would be surgeons for the medical field. I mean, it doesn't get higher as far as the technical skills.

31:55Adam Schafer:You know, within surgeons, this is going to get some heat. Within them, there's also different respect rankings amongst. Yeah, right. I mean, you've talked about this before

32:02Sal Di Stefano:about what they say about orthopedic. I think orthopods are the bros, right? Are they what I was like, the bros?

32:09Adam Schafer:I think they think they're like bros. Is that like on Scrubs?

32:12Sal Di Stefano:Now, does that have to do with how low of risk in comparison? If you're dealing with - I don't know if it has to do with like - I mean, it makes sense for that. I think it's because they're all fat. Vascular, brain, back. I mean, these things, that's high risk, right? Organ stuff. If you're dealing with knee, shoulder, ankle, this is not like -

32:33Adam Schafer:I don't know. I don't know if it has to do with the complexity of the surgery or if it has to do with the fact that they're -

32:38Sal Di Stefano:I want to know. Why?

32:39Adam Schafer:Because I've known a lot of orthopods, and they're all workout people. Yeah, yeah. They're all like, they cycle, they bike, they lift. Kind of buff guys. Yeah, so I think maybe that's what it is because they got that reputation.

32:51Sal Di Stefano:I don't know if - You can't search that? What is it?

32:53Adam Schafer:Do you want specifically - Search why - Which surgeon has the least - No, no.

32:57Sal Di Stefano:I mean, I think you already say, like, you would Google this better than I would. Help Doug here. Like, this is -

33:05Adam Schafer:Among doctors, which types of surgeons get the most and least respect? There you go. There you go. Put that up there.

33:10Sal Di Stefano:I just remember watching a knee surgery, and it looked like Thanksgiving card. Oh, bro, I watched mine. I watched mine, and I swear to God - This is what they use? this is the tools i swear to god i did not have i had 50 of the pain i had pre-watching the video after i had the video my pain increased because i saw how they went in there associated and you watched him just like jabbing away and everything like oh and then i remember my knee this whole laparoscopic thing like oh we'll just send you home the next day i remember getting that you know done when they removed my adrenal gland it was like yeah no big deal it was for them it was a no big deal but then like oh man the next few weeks i was like all right so here's the surgeon

33:51Adam Schafer:this is according to what is this ai surgeons with the most respect or prestige uh neurosurgery cardiothoracic surgery plastic reconstructive surgery orthopedic over trauma orthopedic often seen as the jocks of the medical technically demanding high paying very competitive to enter okay okay trauma surgery duh and then with less perceived procedure general surgery uh vascular surgery. Vascular surgery? Yeah, well, they work with a lot of your population. Urology and ENT. Interesting. Okay. Yeah, interesting. I would love to be in that space just because every space has their, you know, politics and...

34:31Sal Di Stefano:So interesting that trauma was where it was at, but yet it's badassery factory. Surgery that requires high-level skills at 3 a.m. would be trauma emergency, and so it doesn't get as much prestige. That's weird. No, that's

34:42Adam Schafer:high prestige. High prestige. Badassery factor. yeah yeah trauma to me is a trip imagine you're in that's what that one show

34:51Sal Di Stefano:that one show that we got gunshot wound that they recommended to us to watch I can only watch like a couple episodes and I couldn't watch it even oh yeah what's the name of that episode it was it was highly stressful to watch yeah it's rated really high it's and it is good but it's tough it's not a show you or at least I am with you Doug I can't watch it at night it just it's so intense

35:11Adam Schafer:I feel like if you work in trauma for a living everyday life has got to be so flat yeah yeah you know what i mean i i it has to be right because

35:22Sal Di Stefano:you start to you say that but like so i so i i get to smoke cigarettes i mean you got i i did i

35:27Adam Schafer:trained i trained hold on i trained a uh why am i not remember my cancer surgeon where the uh oncologist oncologist okay who smoked yeah and i remember i took him aside and i'm like i'm like because we became friends right they know right i took i was a friend of mine and i'm like i'm like dude i'm like i gotta tell how are you smoking bro you like you're a cancer doctor yeah and he goes it's the stress yeah it's just so stressful yeah and i remember being like oh i mean yep you're right you can't really argue that yeah that show's called the pit the pit that's right the pit yeah i started watching that thing and it was so stressful to watch yeah it just wasn't my thing i felt the same way too but people love it i mean it was good like it was good enough

36:09Sal Di Stefano:to pull me in for a couple episodes. And then I realized the same thing too. I couldn't calm down and sleep. And so I can't watch it at night, which is when I would watch TV.

36:15Adam Schafer:You get affected by movies real easy. They do.

36:19Sal Di Stefano:You can watch some. I cannot watch some. Oh, bro.

36:22Adam Schafer:I can watch the most terrifying. You've seen me do this. I can watch the most terrifying, anxiety-inducing thing, turn it off, go right to sleep. No problem. My wife thinks there's a psychotic part.

36:32Sal Di Stefano:As I say, I think that makes you more likely to be a serial killer than me. Maybe. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but you're left-handed, so. It's always it Yeah dude Oh yeah What are the stats What are the stats It's left hand in this Left hand in bed wetters And then You did bro No I wasn't Awesome Yes you were Abusing

36:48Adam Schafer:You said you pooped the bed No I did not poop the bed You said you said poop the bed My pants Oh outside of bed

36:54Sal Di Stefano:It's totally different dog Totally different

36:58Adam Schafer:Oh my bad It was when you were awake I always bring this stat up To like

37:02Sal Di Stefano:Yeah Courtney's family Because there are a lot of left handers It's pretty funny

37:06Adam Schafer:Left handed makes someone more likely There's no evidence. See, bro, you do crap. That's not true. What? But I bet if you watch high-stress shows right before bed, it has to put you up there. Oh, I think AI is trying to. Oh, let's see. Oh, baloney, dude. Okay, hold on. Some studies in behavioral biology have suggested that because left-handers may have a frequency-dependent advantage in confrontational one-on-one or violent situations, a surprise factor, there could be a highly— Get out of here. What are we even talking about, dude? Dude. Because you're a southpaw? Yeah. The more successful. Someone has too much time on their hands.

37:42Adam Schafer:So antisocial personality disorder. Adam's used to, his social media handle was, we love to hate Adam. I'm not saying that's right. Superficial charm. There's something there. You are pretty charming. It's real.

37:54Sal Di Stefano:It's real charm.

37:55Adam Schafer:Need for control or power. I'm just going to leave that one. Talk about that one real quick. Childhood abuse. Oh, bro, this is getting sad, dude. Oh, no. Oh, no. This is getting real sad. please don't be a serial killer no way this is hilarious McDonald triad what's that look up the McDonald triad now Justin was a bully you were a bully Justin you were a bully

38:25Sal Di Stefano:but only because I got bullied and then I was bullying the bully there's gotta be a quiz there's gotta be a quiz that we could all take that we could put in there. To see who's the most likely? It would kick that off.

38:36Adam Schafer:So look at this. This is the triad. Animal cruelty, fire setting, and bedwetting. Interesting that bedwetting

38:43Sal Di Stefano:would be up there.

38:44Adam Schafer:But they put left-handed in that cat. I remember seeing that. I read that, dude. So I never had - Fuck you, AI. I never animal cruelty. I was not. No, me either. Definitely. I didn't ever pee in my bed. Not once in my life. Not once in your life? But I used to set things on fire, dude. I think we all did. I think every boy likes fire.

39:02Sal Di Stefano:I tortured insects. What is that? They're not animals. That's different. Yeah, that's not an animal. Pull their legs off. Yeah, yeah. Everyone used to burn ants with magnifying glass. If you didn't, you're not a boy.

39:14Adam Schafer:They're not animals, dude. They don't have souls. I mean, I did the frogs, too. I felt a little bad. Frogs are closer to animals now. Yeah, you are pushing it.

39:19Sal Di Stefano:I put one in a rocket and lit it.

39:21Adam Schafer:Whoa!

39:22Sal Di Stefano:Blew it up. Whoa, dude. Justin, we should.

39:25Adam Schafer:These are things we should keep to ourselves. We're not gaining any sympathy here. These are things you should not share. Okay. This keeps shut down. One time my cousins and I, we were being watched by my great uncle. So he's like really old at this point. So he'd just sit in a chair and watch TV. And I don't know why the moms thought it was a good idea to leave us with him. And there was a bunch of us boys. And we were not. We were like rambunctious kids. And we'd go in the backyard and we'd light things on fire while two or three of us held a hose and would put it out like firefighters. And we just kept doing this.

39:56Adam Schafer:And we made a big-ass fire once. And we were like, put it out. We were like real scared. and then someone came up with the idea of, hey, go tell uncle that there's a fire and just like, let's just see what he does, right? So we call him and he runs out. He's old, dude. So he's like kind of coming out, whatever. And we just hosed him down, dude, with the hose. Yeah, dude, we got beat, dude. Oh yeah, I bet you did. Oh yeah, no, our moms came home. He was wet. He didn't get dressed because he was old. So we sat cold all day while we were outside realizing what we did. We're like, uh-oh, we're going to get in trouble.

40:31Adam Schafer:And our moms had us sit in chairs. So we had all the boys sitting there. And then they tied us together. And they went around a circle and just hit us. They tied you together? We had to stay in the chairs.

40:44Sal Di Stefano:Why is it that most young men have gone through a stage or a phase of their life where that was like a common thing? Setting things on fire? Well, not even just that. Just being destructive or doing things that are just. I think we want to know the line. Yeah, it's an interesting thing because it's like violence is definitely in our nature, but it's like how you control it. And I think that's why it was good for me to have sports and it's good for me to have like high impact sports especially.

41:14Adam Schafer:Yeah.

41:14Sal Di Stefano:Because I leaned high on the violence side. I had to be able to channel that into something more healthy, productive for society.

41:22Adam Schafer:You know, it's like kept me out of jail. Well, I think that, who is it that was, I heard someone talk about this, about for what's really important for young men, like an important thing that they have to develop is discipline. Because a grown man with no discipline is hedonistic, violent. He has power that he utilizes to get people to do what he wants. Or he can be manipulative, but more likely not it's the other ones. And so a man, a boy that grows up that learns to control his outbursts, that learns to control his desires, that's what makes a boy into a man. Otherwise, you have a wild dude, which is not good for society at all.

42:04Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. Which I feel like is a lot of teenage boys is what happens, right? That's right. When you go through that. That rush of testosterone and everything else that's like hitting you all at the same time. Yeah.

42:14Adam Schafer:And by the way, men know this inherently. We know this as grown men. When we're around, like, have you guys ever been around a dude that is legit, like, tough? Either a big guy, athlete, or, you know, a fighter, and you've seen them be in a situation where they totally controlled themselves. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And how much instant respect do they get from every guy? The best, yeah. Rather than lashing out and, you know. Yeah, those are the ones that get respect. Exactly.

42:43Sal Di Stefano:I'm trying to take myself back to, like, teenage years when you were getting into trouble like that and seeking that stuff. What was going through your head? What was going through my head at that age? It's exciting. Is that what it is? Yeah. Test your own strength or whatever. I mean, what is it that - It was more frustration, I think, for me. You had all the pent-up anger. Yeah, I had pent-up stuff I unleashed from people. He laughs all evil. Yeah, I think justice was different. Yeah, yeah, it was different. I learned how to like turn that more into like humor and like see more humor and things like instead of like turn into violence.

43:25Sal Di Stefano:But yeah, I think it's I think that's yeah, it's just a formative time. Like you have to kind of work through a lot of this like big emotional, you know, surges and like how to how to like deal with how to get to a calm state. Like I think that varies from everybody.

43:41Adam Schafer:yeah i for me i was i did get a lot of fights but it was only because um i i really had this really deep sense of like if i saw something that i felt was like mean uh or like injustice

43:53Sal Di Stefano:that's such a yes it's a justice thing yeah if i saw someone getting picked on or i saw a guy

43:58Adam Schafer:like kind of just impose himself then it was something inside of me that was like stir and it would burn and burn and burn and then eventually i'd pick a fight with them and so that was that

44:07Sal Di Stefano:That would only bother me if it was part of my inner circle. Inner circle? Yeah. I connect a lot with - Like your tribe? Yeah. You know what's the movie? Good Will Hunting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. With the - Like with your boys. Yeah, yeah. And I think that has a lot to do with seeking a family outside of your family. Oh, wow. Right? And so I think that's where that comes from. And so I think back to the more I'm sitting here and trying to ponder on what is it that got me into that trouble and stuff like that. But a lot of that was like standing up for your quote unquote family that wasn't your family.

44:41Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, most of the time it was like sticking up for somebody else. Yeah. And I'd get in those situations. Because otherwise, I wouldn't really get in those situations. You know, it was like somebody would start something. And I was like, oh, no.

44:53Adam Schafer:No, for me, there was always that. But then there was always like, I didn't even know the person. I would just see someone doing something. And then I'd leave it because it's none of my business. And then it would burn inside of me. And then what I would do eventually is I would seek out a way to instigate something with that person. Oh, interesting. Yeah. So then they wouldn't even know why, but I'm starting something with you. I either the shoulder bump you or I grab your drink and throw it on the ground or throw the basketball at your face and it starts something with you. In fact, I still have that feeling.

45:23Adam Schafer:Like if I'm driving, I don't do anything anymore, but if I see someone aggressively cutting people off, they get this feeling inside where I'm like, I'm going to go cut him off.

45:31Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. I'm going to go show him.

45:33Adam Schafer:And then I'm like, in my head, I'm like, what am I doing? you think you are Batman? Relax, dude. Batman. Calm down, dude. Oh, speaking of Batman, do you guys know who that's based off of? I think I told you guys that. Yeah. It's based off. Teddy Roosevelt.

45:48Sal Di Stefano:Batman is?

45:49Adam Schafer:Yeah.

45:50Sal Di Stefano:I didn't know that. Yeah, he used to walk the streets of the Billy Club at night, and he'd do it without anybody knowing, and then obviously somebody picked up on it. But yeah, he'd go down to the streets and fight crying.

46:05Adam Schafer:dude teddy roosell's got the craziest stories so he's the one that wrote that famous speech um what's in the arena uh man in the arena yeah he was he was like this sickly kid uh had asthma and he basically exercised and worked out and himself out of it and then he would seek out uh crazy dangerous situations like he would he enrolled in the military to fight in a war he put himself at the front line he charged forward uh he learned judo he would practice wrestling and judo in the white house and he'd invite people over to wrestle them and then he when he was police i think it was a police chief before he became president if i'm not mistaken he would go out at night in a disguise and he'd fight try to fight crime is that what it is yeah he worked with the to reform the police department anyway interesting interesting story i didn't about that guy.

46:57Adam Schafer:I didn't know who that was. I knew there was...

46:58Sal Di Stefano:He's the one that got shot, right? While he was giving a speech? Yeah, and it didn't hit like a notepad or something? No, it got in him and he finished the speech. Oh, that's what happened. Yeah, so according to this, the original 1939 Batman was inspired by figures like Zorro and Shadow. However, like Christopher Nolan took inspiration when he did The Dark Knight from Teddy Roosevelt. Okay.

47:20Adam Schafer:And he was shot, right? While giving a speech. Is that the right guy? Yeah, let me look. He got shot and then he's like, I got to finish the speech before I go go to the doctor.

47:28Sal Di Stefano:I thought it went into something. I thought it went into like a notepad or like the bullet didn't fully. Is that what happened? Yeah, I thought. I don't know. Could be wrong. Bullet speech.

47:36Adam Schafer:No, he was bleeding. Yeah, dude. Oh, yeah. And then he said into the crowd, it takes more than a bullet to kill a bull. A bull moose. They don't make them like that anymore, do they? No, they don't. Yeah. Kind of cool. Interesting. But anyway. Pre-corruption? Yeah, I got an interesting study for you guys. So I don't know. I don't think you guys will be surprised. This might make people mad.

48:02Sal Di Stefano:I was surprised that we talked about the study that I sent over to you. I didn't realize that you brought that up. Yeah, we did. I didn't realize that. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

48:08Adam Schafer:Do you remember that, Justin? The Max Lugavir one? Yeah, yeah. Were you eating the same thing every day? I didn't know that was how Max brought that up.

48:17Sal Di Stefano:I didn't realize that he brought that up.

48:18Adam Schafer:So, okay, now we got to talk about it. So the study compared, they followed a bunch of people, and people who tend to eat the same thing every day lost more weight than people who didn't. 35%. Yeah. But what you're doing with that is you're selecting people who prep. Oh, I thought I didn't tease that out.

48:36Sal Di Stefano:I thought it was just purely – you could prep too, but you just prep different stuff versus people that actually just prep the same thing.

48:42Adam Schafer:People who tend to prep tend to prep the same stuff. Also, eating the same thing over and over again, it reduces palatability. So you're not going to have as much hunger and cravings.

48:53Sal Di Stefano:It also improves consistency, too. That's right. So it's like, I know that's 550 calories. I know that's 550 calories because I've, you know what I'm saying?

49:01Adam Schafer:This is why a whole food diet causes weight loss. It's less palatable. Now, if you want to make it even more less palatable, here's what you do. Take a whole food diet, limit yourself to four foods, eat those only, and I guarantee your calories will drop because it's boring. Yeah. You just eat less as a result.

49:15Sal Di Stefano:Well, when you get novelty, you get those fluctuations, too, that kind of throw you all over the place versus a consistent calorie amount.

49:22Adam Schafer:All right, I got a study for you guys that might make people angry, but whatever. It's obvious. I think you guys might find this obvious. So there was a study that was conducted. They analyzed more than 18 ,000 OkCupid users. And they discovered... Is this a dating site? OkCupid is a dating site.

49:39Sal Di Stefano:Oh, okay. I think, right? Yeah, I think so. Is that one of the ones you're on?

49:42Adam Schafer:No, I'm not on that one.

49:43Sal Di Stefano:He knew pretty fast right there. He was pretty quick to that answer. yep that's right yep don't look into it though don't search Doug Iggy no need to search that he's got a secret name on there yeah that was way too fast dog hey I've heard of these things I've heard of match.com plenty of fish I knew where that cougar bar was

50:09Adam Schafer:oh yeah you knew right away the blue pheasant oh yeah the cougar bar yeah I did know where that one was they have a picture alright so so this is what the study 18 ,000 people they discovered a correlation between unconventional hair colors and increased reported instances of depression so people who tend to dye their hair

50:35Sal Di Stefano:nice way of saying blue hair

50:37Adam Schafer:people who tend to dye their hair in bold colors blue, pink, green purple may be more likely to report mental health struggles.

50:48Sal Di Stefano:I took a study for that. That's a pretty funny study. Yeah. You ever seen the meme? Are those on the rise still? Or do you think they're on the decline? I think they're on the decline. What? Dating sites. Oh, dating sites. Yeah. They were so popular and they exploded. I wonder, yeah. I think they've slowed down. Let me see.

51:09Adam Schafer:Yeah, I'm looking at Doug because I'm like, you're the Google guy. Yeah. He's looking at me like -

51:13Sal Di Stefano:Now he's pretending like, I don't know. Let me check. Well, I've been using them more than ever. That's a great question, Adam. Let me Google that.

51:22Adam Schafer:He's got stars. Hold on. Let me swipe real quick. Yeah, dude. Yeah, are they becoming more or less popular? Yeah, I think less popular. Let's see. Yes, yes. Massive growth. Oh, in the past decade. Boy, recently. Long-term growth grew nearly six-fold between 2010 and 2020. But there's a recent trend. Wait, scroll up a little bit. Like this? No, it says that there was a little burnout at the upper of the paragraph towards the top, Doug. Oh, okay. Right there. It says, while usage surged during the pandemic and remains high, recent trends in 2025 suggest potential user burnout and a growing desire for alternative in-person.

52:05Adam Schafer:Yep. You know what's happening with this? In-person, dude. It's coming back. It's also what's happening is a very small percentage of men are getting all the attention.

52:13Sal Di Stefano:I know. We've talked about this already. So we've now. It's becoming like polygamy. We've now figured this out. I forget. That stat's crazy. If you're like a high value. The stat on this is insane that I saw too, which is like a small percentage of the men get like 80 % of the women.

52:29Adam Schafer:Well, check this out. So when women say what they're looking for. Yeah. Watch this. Doug, look this up. What percentage of men are six foot tall and make$100 ,000 a year? It's less than 5%. In America, watch. I think it's 4%. Just that right there. Yeah, yeah, just that alone. And then if we add in 15 % body fat, it gets down to life. There's like five dudes. Let's see what this percentage is. Have good teeth. All right. We're getting an answer here. 3.6 % to 4.5%. So women who are like, he's got to be six foot tall and make$100 ,000. you're looking at about 4 % of the men.

53:10Sal Di Stefano:Which I think that it coincides with this stat that I was going to have to look, which is I think 5 % of the men, like 80 % of the women on the site. So top 10 to 20 % of men receiving 80 % to 90 % of the likes on these type of sites.

53:24Adam Schafer:Did I ever tell you guys the fail that I did once to my wife? Because I thought it was going to be funny, but it totally just tanked. I listed all my stats. Yeah. My high body fat. I do this at Katrina. Bro, what are the odds? I had layers to that,

53:43Sal Di Stefano:bro. So last night, I came home and cooked dinner and then cleaned the house. Oh, dang. Yeah, yeah, right after that and then I add to that stat. Six foot three. How many guys make this much money, this tall, do this, cook for you, clean? What was the percentage at?

54:00Adam Schafer:It's very low, dog. Very, very low. She's lucky. Yeah. Did you tell that? You're so blessed. You hit the lottery, man. That's how I presented it to you, I think. I said, you're so blessed. It didn't work, you guys. You didn't feel blessed when I said that. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. Anyway, so we're going to mention Crisp Power, which in the studio here, it has to be the most commonly used product that we work with, right? I see everybody eating them. Even amongst the staff. Everybody. That's a good question. It's got to be Crisp Power. Is that one of your top ones?

54:33Sal Di Stefano:I see Dylan eating them. Eli eats them. Is that one of your top ones, Dylan?

54:35Adam Schafer:Doug eats them all the time.

54:36Sal Di Stefano:I mean, snack-wise, yeah. Trainers eat them all the time. Does Eli eat them? I don't ever see Eli eat. Does Eli eat?

54:41Adam Schafer:He does eat, dude. Does he eat? You know what? Never see him eat. All I see him do is work. Yeah. Doug just works them all. He's a very hard worker. We have to feed him. Yeah. He's very hard working, but Adam will always make him feel like he needs to work hard. Eli, he worked hard enough, bro.

54:53Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

54:55Adam Schafer:Everybody crushes them. All the time in here.

54:57Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. All the time. Do you have a favorite, y 'all? Super convenient. The cheddar.

55:01Adam Schafer:Oh, you're a cheddar guy. Justin.

55:02Sal Di Stefano:I like cheddar too. Big cheese, guys. You're still the everything bagel? I mean, I like a lot of them though, dude. Everything. I like the fire one.

55:12Adam Schafer:There are 25 to 28 grams of protein in a bag. It's like eating a bag of chips, except it's hella protein.

55:17Sal Di Stefano:Honestly, I think there's only one flavor. I don't care. The cinnamon one's not my favorite. Oh, because it's sweet.

55:22Adam Schafer:Yeah. What if you add them to a bowl of milk?

55:25Sal Di Stefano:I thought about that actually the other day. I thought about that. I thought about you making a cereal out of it and seeing what it would taste like. Holy cow, that's delicious. Maybe. Maybe. I don't know.

55:33Adam Schafer:But then it might get soggy.

55:34Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, I don't know. I don't know if that's a good idea or not. But I mean, considering how many flavors they have, and there's only one that I don't like. The flaming one's pretty good. I love the flaming one. They always had those cinnamon, sugar, pretzels. So I guess that was what they were thinking with that one. Did you like it? Do you like the cinnamon one? Yeah, I don't mind it. I mean, it's not my top one. Definitely cheddar is my top one. I like them if I'm in the mood for something sweet. I know it's not a great commercial for them, but what's your least favorite? I know. I'm not a seed guy so I'm not like the oh I like that yeah the everything bagel

56:06Adam Schafer:the cheddar and the flaming are super good too the sesame's good

56:10Sal Di Stefano:I like the sesame seed one so it's only it's literally only the I think it's sesame seed one

56:15Adam Schafer:I thought it was

56:16Sal Di Stefano:alright so here's a question

56:18Adam Schafer:here's a question then for you guys because you guys eat them the most yeah because it's high in protein does it produce more satiety than if you let's say ate a bag do you notice it yeah yeah so you eat it yeah I've actually tried I'm good with a bag I'm actually going to the bag.

56:31Sal Di Stefano:I've actually tried eating two bags of it. I don't want to. So it's because of the protein. Yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, one's enough. If you gave me regular pretzels, I could eat a bag twice that size. Easy. Oh, easily. Yeah. You need to crush. That's a few bags. What do you pull up there? Yeah, it is sesame. It is sesame. Yeah, yeah. I don't know where I got it.

56:46Adam Schafer:Yeah. And how's the fiber in those? Are they pretty good? Oh, the fiber's actually good. It's high fiber. It's also high fiber. They say it's, I think, I don't recall exactly.

56:54Sal Di Stefano:High protein, high fiber, low carb. I think it's like 30 % of your daily recommended. They're in Costco now, right? Are they? Yeah, I believe so.

57:03Adam Schafer:That company's crushing it. Jeez. Oh, they've blown up. Ever since they started doing commercials with us. That's what we tell them. Yeah, the vine pump's bummed. Yeah, 10 grams of fiber. Wow. Yeah. Of course it's going to produce satiety. See, this is good because when you eat a tasty snack, what you don't want is also just to overeat the hell out of it.

57:21Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, it's to increase your craving.

57:23Adam Schafer:But this, because it's protein and fiber, you get your protein. No, Justin said right.

57:27Sal Di Stefano:One bag, you're good with it. And I intentionally have tried to eat two. And I could do it if I make myself do it, but I don't crave it. Where other snacks like that, like - Overeat. Yeah, easily. Wow, that's great. Good job, guys. No, it's well done. Probiotics have been shown in studies to improve gut health, lower inflammation, improve longevity,

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58:38Sal Di Stefano:from oklahoma what's up randy what's happening how you doing randy mind pump how are you guys doing good man how can we help you good hey i started a gratitude practice earlier this year and now i get a chance to thank you all in person. Really privileged for that. I've been trying to lose fat since 2016, as in 10 years ago, 2016. And it seemed like no matter what I did, no matter who I followed, I always ended up right back where I started, which was just fat and weak and frustrated. And I had gotten to the point where I was about to decide that my body was just like impervious to exercise until my wife sent me a mind pump episode about eight months ago.

59:18And after that, I changed up my routine. I dropped the volume, added some rest periods. Um, I upped my calories by about a thousand over the course of like, uh, probably about two weeks. Um, and by week two, I was already seeing some changes in my body. Um, after three months, my big lifts were up by about 50%. And now everything is better post mind pump. So energy is up. Strength is up. I'm 46 and I'm seeing definition for the first time in my life. And I can't seem to gain weight, which is incredible. So that's great. Thank you very much.

59:52Adam Schafer:Awesome. You got it, dude. What's your question? How can we help you? Yeah. So when I went through doing all these things, following your advice, I figured if I actually buy a maps program that, you know, I I'm going to start to see, you know, changes that are going to make me look like a Greek statue by the time all this is said and done. And so I bought the map super bundle back in November. I ran anabolic all the way through trigger sessions and all. And I was a little disappointed when all was said and done because it seemed like those body changes stopped all through the program. I took it through and about halfway through phase three, my wife was talking to me and she was like, you know, you seem like you were doing a little better before, which I got to be honest with you, that stung a little bit.

1:00:36And so then after anabolic, I went back to what I was doing before, which was mostly a three by five program, six or seven compound lifts, and then throwing in a few like bicep curls, tricep exercises. And all of a sudden, those strength gains just exploded again. Body changes started back up again. So my question for you is what the hell?

1:01:02Adam Schafer:Yeah. So in your email, it says you also increased your calories. after following Maps Anabolic? I did. So I increased my calories before anabolic. I was 2 ,400 before I started anabolic. By the time I got to anabolic, I was up to about 3 ,400. And since anabolic, I've bumped those calories again. At this point, I'm actually up to about 4 ,200. Still can't seem to gain weight, which is kind of awesome, to be honest with you. I don't mind that at all. and I'm back to running those three by fives. Here about three or four weeks ago, I actually moved to kind of a like a MAPS reverse performance anabolic 15, just kind of something I'd put together from various exercises from your programs and sticking to that 15 to 20 minutes a day.

1:01:53And that seems to be working well for me as well. So pretty much so far, everything that I've gleaned from you except for MAPS anabolic has done wonders for me.

1:02:01Adam Schafer:And you did, I'm assuming you did the three day a week version of MAPS anabolic when you followed it. I did. Yeah. The volume is just too high for you. Yeah. That's what it sounds like. Yeah. For a lot of people, MAPS anabolic is going to be appropriate volume. But sometimes it's too much, especially when you get into phases two and three, which is probably when you started to feel some of those effects. So phase three. Yeah. Phase three. So volume is sets and sets weight in reps. Okay. So, uh, three sets of 20 reps, uh, is typically going to register as more volume or damage or require more recovery than three sets of five.

1:02:42Adam Schafer:And so oftentimes if the volume is too high, a person will go back down to lower reps, same sets, even though the weight is heavier and they'll start responding better again. And so now you're doing something like a couple lifts a day. It sounds like. Yeah. So here, um, about for the last three weeks or so, um, I've been doing just a couple lifts a day, sometimes three, um, but really no more than 20 minutes at the gym. And then plus, you know, doing some, um, yeah, I might step on the treadmill or something like that. Yep. So now it sounds like you're, you're hitting about appropriate volume and just, you know, I just want to highlight, uh, how easy it is, uh, to do more than is necessary, uh, for the body.

1:03:21Adam Schafer:So even though MAPS anabolic, oftentimes people follow it, love it. In many cases, some cases, you'll see, especially as people get into middle age or if they have other stresses. Like, for example, I'll have a woman call in and, you know, she's postpartum or somebody's calories are low or their sleep is a little off or they have other responsibilities. We'll send in MAPS 15 and they'll get better results.

1:03:44Sal Di Stefano:Just curious of what the rest of your – what's your day look like? Are you a pretty busy guy? What's the size? Because the fact that you can eat 4 ,000 calories and train on that volume and not put bad weight on is actually impressive in itself. That's a really good sign. Yeah, so I'm 6 '237 right now, and that weight has not fluctuated by more than about a pound and a half since I started listening to you all. And it seems like, I mean, you know, I just keep ramping up those calories up, up, up, and I keep thinking I'm going to hit that point where I get on the scale and I see the weight actually go up.

1:04:18but it just doesn't move. Um, I, I do get my, uh, 220 grams of protein per day. Um, I, I do creatine. Um, I take about 13 ,000 steps per day. Uh, mostly that's, that's not related to my work. As you can see, I'm, I'm just in an office here. Um, but, uh, but I do try to get out, uh, pretty regularly and get those steps in.

1:04:39Sal Di Stefano:Um, and I get about seven hours of sleep a night. That's good. That's good, bro. That's really good. 13 ,000 steps is a good amount of move. You're moving good. That's good. You're active. The average American's only moving 4 ,000. So I was like, there's, you gotta be a big guy and you gotta be moving quite a bit if you're eating 4 ,000 calories and you don't see that scale move. That's a really good sign.

1:04:56Adam Schafer:What are the lifts that you, cause you, how long have you been doing like consistently strength training now where you're seeing like good progress and feel like you're doing things right? Yeah. So, uh, strength training as you would define it would be since I, um, started listening to mind pump in August. Um, so this has only been for eight months for me. Uh, before that I definitely did, um, you know, a lot of programs where I was lifting weights, uh, but never anything with more than, um, 60 to 90 seconds of rest. And, you know, when I started to add that three minutes of rest, it was, it was like magic.

1:05:27It was just awesome. Um, and it seems like anytime I go away from that three minutes, then, you know, things just don't quite work out.

1:05:33Adam Schafer:Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Building, uh, I mean, you're building your metabolism. This is a great example of how that works. Um, so the reason why I asked you that is, and give me an idea of what your, what your, your lifts look like now, uh, Like squat, deadlift, and bench, because I have some ideas for you. Yeah, so I don't really try to do PR for a single rep, but I have tried to do some 3x5s and things like that to check. My deadlift, I can do 285 on a 3x5. My squat is, I think up at 235, it's up to 255 now. Wow. And chest press at 180. All those are the 3x5s. Perfect.

1:06:10Sal Di Stefano:Bro, you're moving good weight, too.

1:06:11Adam Schafer:So here's what I'm going to encourage you to do now. So now you're going to start to get into soon. You're going to get into a place where you start to notice a little bit of nagging inflammation or injury because you're getting so strong. You've been so consistent, but the movements that you're doing are very sagittal plane. And so what will happen, you'll keep getting stronger, but you'll start to notice like, ah, this kind of hurts a little bit. Maybe I need to warm up more or something like that. So it'd be really smart for you at this point to train different planes of movement. So like maps, 15 performance would be a really good idea to follow, to interrupt kind of what you're doing just to get ahead of, cause you're getting really strong and you're probably, you're probably going to end up somewhere, you know, five reps, you know, deadlift to 85, you're probably gonna end up somewhere around three 50, which is really strong.

1:07:00Adam Schafer:But before you get there, it's really important. We work on rotation, lateral stability, because the stronger you get, the greater the risk of injury when you move outside of perfect form, even if it's just half a degree. And I have tried to pull in some exercises from performance as well. So I've got some chops in the routine, suitcase carries, windmills, and trying to add those additional things.

1:07:29Sal Di Stefano:I don't have access to a sled, so that's been a little unfortunate. Those ones you just named are great movements for you to continue to do.

1:07:38Adam Schafer:And how often do you train those, or how consistent are they in your routine? I do them two days a week. So when I do the three exercises, one of those is going to be one of those rotational. Yeah, that's great.

1:07:51Sal Di Stefano:Okay. That's great. That's great. Yeah, you keep progressing that windmill, and you keep doing those.

1:07:57Adam Schafer:Don't stop doing those. Yeah, yeah.

1:07:58Sal Di Stefano:You're doing good, bro. Yeah, you're doing really good. I like what you're doing.

1:08:01Adam Schafer:Stay on path. And when you get up to a point where you're like, man, this is a lot of food, you could try cutting. And what you'll probably see is some really good fat loss.

1:08:09Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. Yeah, I'm getting close. I'm getting close. It's becoming a bit of a chore at 4 ,200. Such a good place. Yeah, you'll see some - That's the ideal place when I want to cut. I want Clyde to be like, I can't eat anymore, Adam. Cool. Yeah, you'll see some real good fat loss. Go down to 3 ,500 and just watch yourself lean out.

1:08:22Adam Schafer:Exactly. You get up to 4 ,200 and you're like, okay, I'm good now. Drop to 3 ,500 and watch fat just fall off your body.

1:08:30Sal Di Stefano:do you have i can't wait yeah i feel like too okay do you have our 15 program i feel like we should give you a power lift 15 and then just so you can toggle between the two because you're kind of doing that on your own like intuitively you're kind of mashing it together but we've we've put that together almost exactly like you're describing yeah i would i think it'd be really

1:08:50Adam Schafer:smart to follow uh to follow we'll send that we'll send that to you we'll send that to you

1:08:54Sal Di Stefano:send them both power lift awesome you send them both power lift 15 and then the performance 15 To be correct, volume, and I think, yeah, it'll just keep you going strong here. Yeah, the power lift is really exciting because I've gotten to where I'm, you know, I'm focused more on the actual lifts than the numbers from the lifts, and I really have gotten to where I just don't care about other things. I don't really care about the mirror, the scale. That has been a huge change for me, and it's been great. So power lift is going to be awesome. That's awesome, man.

1:09:20Adam Schafer:You hit the sweet spot.

1:09:20Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, you're doing great, bro. Yeah, yeah.

1:09:22Adam Schafer:The only mistake you can make is if you do too much, which lifts your body up. That's right, dude.

1:09:26Sal Di Stefano:Keep it up, Randy. all right thanks jensen you got it man yeah it's great he's crushing it yeah it's really great uh

1:09:34Adam Schafer:i mean it's a good conversation around volume because um when i was younger i thought all i considered uh volume was sets so if i'm doing three sets if i'm doing three sets three sets

1:09:45Sal Di Stefano:it's all the same volume no it's not yeah i didn't factor in the load or the reps yeah like you do

1:09:51Adam Schafer:three sets of at the same intensity right so we're talking about like within a few reps of failure Three sets of five in squats or three sets of 20 at squats, okay? The 20, way more damage on the body. It requires way more recovery. It's just very different because those reps count when it comes to volume. And MAPS, anabolic phase three, the volume actually is quite high for a lot of people. So sometimes people are like, man, I love phase one. Phase two is great. Phase three, I start to feel burnt out.

1:10:21Sal Di Stefano:Also in the context of where he was at calorie-wise, It's obvious that he's a big guy. He moves a lot. 13 ,000 steps for a 6 '2", 230-pound guy is a lot of movement. So that's a lot of movement. And his size, that low of calorie just wasn't – and that high of volume wasn't serving him whatsoever. So just cutting back down on the volume a tiny bit, boosting calories, and then boom, all of a sudden he sees a response again. And to be able to be eating 4 ,000 calories, not putting body fat on, is freaking awesome.

1:10:50Adam Schafer:And you know what's really interesting too is just a little side note here. Um, there are some people that respond exceptionally well to really low volume. Like one of my favorite examples, uh, was six time Mr. Olympia, Doreen. Here's a pro bodybuilder. He won to Mr. Olympia six times. He's also all, uh, on performance enhancing drugs. And he goes from, I don't remember what year it was in 1998, maybe Mr. Olympia where he took second place, Lee Haney, I think it was 98. And then he comes back 15 pounds heavier. What he changed, and everybody thought he did this crazy drug cocktail. No, that's not what happened.

1:11:25Adam Schafer:What happened was he went from traditional strength training to one set to failure. Like the lowest volume he could possibly do. And his body responded tremendously. And there are people like this. Most people aren't like this where they just go lower, lower volume. At some point, you need a certain amount of volume. But some people just do really well with the lower volume. And it's really interesting. The individual variance will always be a wrench. Yep. Always a factor.

1:11:48Sal Di Stefano:I would argue more people, especially in the context of how rare it is that we all get perfect sleep, how rare it is that we have no stress. It's lower than they think. It's lower than you think. I think more people, if you put more energy and effort on nutrition dial, good sleep, you could get away with very low volume of training and probably see incredible results. Our next callers are Melissa and Easton from Minnesota. What's up, guys? What's happening? Hello. How are you doing? I'm just going to read and shorten this off because I'm shortened my email because I'm a little nervous. I'm just going to read it.

1:12:25Adam Schafer:No worries. First, this is my son, Easton. He's 13. He's here with me. How you doing, Easton? Against his will. A little bit against his will.

1:12:34Sal Di Stefano:Okay. First, I just want to thank you guys for all you do. You've changed how I think about my health and wellness. But I also love how you talk about family and friends and faith. And I love that my son can hear other positive influences besides his crazy parents about how he can live a positive life. So thank you guys very much.

1:12:52Adam Schafer:You got it. All right. So I'm 44 and I'm looking for a program that we can do together this summer as a punishment for having his phone in his room. We decided to make Easton do a weightlifting class at school, which turned out he loved. And we kind of expected that he would love it. He is now doing track and field and he misses lifting. He wishes he was still lifting. So we're making plans for the summer. He loves to come home after he was doing weightlifting and tell me how he would beat my PRs. I maybe have a year of being stronger than him before he passes me and everything, but he's getting close.

1:13:30I'm a member of a cardio kickboxing gym that also does weightlifting. But after listening to you guys, I realized it's more circuit training with weights. And so I've been supplementing with real lifting, according to you guys. at the big box gym for a few months. And I just finished phase one of maps 15, which I love. I still go to the kickboxing gym, but this summer I want to take a couple of days for he and I go to go to the big box gym and at least work out next to him because who works out with their mom. So do you have any recommendations for a program that we could do together?

1:14:04Adam Schafer:Yeah, absolutely. And you're, so you're going to be going to a gym to do this and you want to go about two, three days a week. Yeah. Is what you look for. If not more. Oh, you'll go. Okay. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, that's good, man. And just the Easton, good job, dude, working out with your mom, bro. That's great. You're a good kid. Yeah, good young man. Okay, so you guys, now, are you going to keep doing a bunch of cardio kickboxing stuff, or are you going to focus on the strength training? Because I need to know what the balance is going to be. I'm in a contract at that gym through the end of the year, so I still want to do that a couple, three days a week maybe.

1:14:38But I'm not sure whether to skip the kickboxing days or skip their weight training days when I go. But the priority will be to go with him.

1:14:47Adam Schafer:Okay, because that makes a big difference because I'd like to put you on a strength training program that's really going to make you guys strong. But I'm going to need you to not add a bunch of other intense stuff. So it would be ideal if you skipped all of it. But I don't know what your community is like there, if it feeds your soul, or if you just like the workouts, or you don't want to waste the money. Because that makes a big difference. I do go with a couple of my best friends. It's a really, really good community. I'm a stay-at-home mom, so it kind of feeds that too. Okay, that's good. Yeah.

1:15:18Adam Schafer:No, that's enough. That's enough. I like MAPS Anabolic. Why? I like 15. MAPS 15 is a lot in the gym. They're only going to go two days a week or three days a week. You stack the days. I mean, you could do that too.

1:15:29Sal Di Stefano:It's very similar. MAPS 15, what I like about MAPS 15 is if you go more than three days, like Eason says you might, you follow it as it's laid out. or if you only make it three days, you stack two of the days. And so it's basically you either do two exercises or four exercises in the gym. And it's a more appropriate volume paired with your kickboxing that you might be doing. So I think anabolic is too much with her kickboxing and stuff.

1:15:55Adam Schafer:Two days a week, we might be okay, but yeah.

1:15:57Sal Di Stefano:Even one. She's talking about three times a week kickboxing.

1:16:01Adam Schafer:Yeah, that's a lot. Don't do the weightlifting in the class. You can skip that, right? Yeah. Yeah. yeah so if you still have mass 15 you could do because you do have that you could do that program and what adam's saying would be good the elder alternative is if you skipped all the other stuff that you're doing would be a power lift and then you guys can both really focus on getting strong at dead lifting squatting and bench i mean that's what i'd love to see you build that skill would be amazing i mean and you guys would hit some prs by the end of that program for sure i could i could skip for the summer it's not gonna yeah I've been listening long enough to know that it might be what you said

1:16:40I could always go back to it in the fall

1:16:42Adam Schafer:your body will benefit from it you guys will hit some PRs

1:16:47Sal Di Stefano:you'll just get way more results that way if you were hell bent on going to the class and it was something really important on the community part I'd still let you do it as my client I would just warn you that we're not going to get the most out of the power lifting and if you're not seeing the results you want, that's part of the reason why. And so you'll get the most, you'll feel the best, you'll get the strongest from running power lifts just straight up the way it is.

1:17:12Adam Schafer:Yeah, you guys will hit some PRs in the three big lifts. Now with diet, here's the thing though, and I'll speak to your son because this is difficult for teenagers. You got to hit your protein intake, which means don't skip breakfast. That's a big one. Uh, so you want to hit your body weight plus maybe 10, 20 grams of protein in grams every single day, every single day. Cause if you do that at your age, plus follow mass power lift, you'll go back to school. You'll go back to school after the summer and everyone's going to look at you and be like, what happened to you?

1:17:52Sal Di Stefano:That's what'll happen. The key is that the key is going to be eating the protein. The protein. That's the hardest part.

1:17:57Adam Schafer:And then the other one's sleep. so those are the two that teenagers mess up is asleep and i'm telling you it doesn't make a little difference it makes a huge difference so it's like turbocharging all your results so you hit your protein you go to bed and wake up at the same time every day follow maps power lift with your mom you'll be uh you'll blow people away how are how are we with breakfast right now what's breakfast look like um my school starts a little early so normally it's just like microwaved something.

1:18:26Sal Di Stefano:A decent investment, mom, would be like Magic Spoon cereal. He can have 30-40 grams of protein that's quick and easy. Something like that. The key is to stay ahead of the protein. If you get in, you have an 8-gram, 10-gram protein breakfast in the microwave real quick. Then you're playing catch-up. Lunchtime, you have some sort of a sandwich or something, which is only another 15-20 grams of protein. Before you know it, you're way behind on protein. So hitting protein consistently day in and day out with the weightlifting will radically change strength and weight. It'll look totally different.

1:19:02Adam Schafer:Yeah, but because it's summer, you've got access to more food, you're not at school, this should be a little easier. But you do that plus sleep plus follow power lift together. And then, Mom, same thing for you. Hit your target body weight and grams of protein consistently. Get good sleep. Keep your steps up. 10 ,000 steps a day is good. You're also going to see radical change. Uh, and especially if you skip by skipping all the cardio classes, you're going to see the sculpt, the shape, metabolism boost, the whole thing. So this will be a lot of fun. You guys, in fact, I want you guys back on after the summer.

1:19:35Adam Schafer:I want to hear about what happened. Yep. It'll be fun. I, uh, they always, you know, turn their nose up as my Greek yogurt and cottage cheese. Here's it from you.

1:19:46Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. So I'll tell you this with the cottage cheese, I'll tell you a secret that makes it taste better. Take some vanilla whey protein powder, put it in it, stir it up, and throw some pineapple in it. I'm not a big fan of cottage cheese by itself, but if you put some vanilla whey in there, it sweetens it up, and then with some pineapple, and it's got a real good taste to it. Now you're talking about 40, 50 grams of protein, too, in one shot.

1:20:06Adam Schafer:And here's the thing, and I'll just, you know, again, I'll speak to Easton. Separating yourself from your peers, so you want to be stronger, you want to be more focused, you want to be more successful, more jacked, all that stuff, it means you're going to have to do things different than everybody. And so food is, is different than just what tastes good and what's convenient. It's like, I'm fueling my body and I'm fueling these gains. And so that mentality, I'm going to tell you right now, your age, cause you're young, you get that mentality. Now you start strength training now, bro. By the time you're 19, you're going to be in another universe.

1:20:40Adam Schafer:Absolutely. So this is a great time to start. What do you think? Okay. okay so like three days is power lift a three day a week uh three or four yeah three or four

1:20:51Sal Di Stefano:okay perfect yep okay we'll send that we'll send that over to you guys yeah let's get you back on a few months yeah yeah hit that protein you guys all right you got it thank you guys so much good

1:21:02Adam Schafer:job guys all right good luck i uh but i love like uh first of all i think that's cool that he's working out with mom um and that mom is taking the time out to do this with her son such a great experience together. But you start with the right idea and discipline. This is the big one, especially for young men. Discipline is so important for young men because it's so easy for us to be on discipline. But strength, training, diet, you figure out that discipline. Now it can go off the rails, but if you start to figure that out at 13, bro, you're so far ahead of your peers by the time you're 16, 17, 18.

1:21:39Adam Schafer:It's incredible. And you have some crazy gains in strength this summer.

1:21:43Sal Di Stefano:I hope they do it. I hope he does it. It'd be really cool to see if he sticks with it because, yeah, he'll definitely, he'll come back to school radically different for sure. Our next caller is Tiffany from Ontario. Hi, Tiffany. Hi, Tiffany. Hello. Hi, thank you very much. I'm excited to talk to you. So my question is, I have been training, I'm 44. I've been training since grade nine. So I've loved fitness my whole life. And when I started around 19 years old, I started trail running on top of lifting. And I noticed I was sore all the time in the hips. So for the last 16 years, I've been seeing chiropractors and physios and everyone under the sun trying to figure out, you know, why I'm, you know, my one hip, especially my left hip was bothering me.

1:22:33And because I'm a landscaper, everyone just kept saying, you know, it's your job and your exercise. and so I would do physio and I wake up every morning at 4 a.m. and I do physio and then some nights I you know would come home limping some days I couldn't make it through work some days I go to the gym and I can lift and other days I can't so I found that I have hip dysplasia and because this has been going on for so long now I have arthritis and I have spurs in my hip And so my question is, I do have some exercises that I've been finding are helpful, but I'm having my hip replaced in eight months and I want to know how I can kind of prepare for that so that I come out better than before.

1:23:18Adam Schafer:Yeah, good question. Typically, when I meet someone like you who exercises consistently, but with chronic pain and kind of like flare-ups of injury or arthritis, so we're not talking about sedentary people, we're talking about someone who's active. there's usually a few culprits uh it's either overtraining uh poor movement patterns which they have a tough time correcting because they exercise so much that they continue to strengthen the poor recruitment pattern or nutrient deficiency or too low of caloric intake or all the above yep maybe possibly is that all of you said what did you say sorry i said probably all of those yeah Okay.

1:24:04Adam Schafer:Yep. That makes sense. Now tell, okay, let's, let's start with the last one that I said, tell me about your food intake. Do you know how many calories you eat a day? You sound very active. So yeah. So when I'm off season, cause I'm in Canada, so I don't landscape over the winter. Um, in my off season, I honestly, I eat intuitively, but I do eat a lot of red meat. I eat a lot of carbohydrates that are whole foods. Like I love plantain and rice and oats. So I'm not, I'm actually an eater. I would say I'm someone that eats, but I also have a lot of output. I'm a little bit of a hummingbird. So I'm always on the go.

1:24:36And then in my working season, I struggle to eat maybe throughout the day because I'm so busy and I'm so active. And then I come home and I crush like a big dinner. So I'm not, if I'm under eating, it might be not intentionally. But I am very restrictive with what I eat. I try to eat, you know, as close to nature as possible. and I don't really have treat meals. I feel like I have good digestion when I eat whole food. So I just eat a lot of the things that I love that are healthy for me.

1:25:10Adam Schafer:Okay, so let's back up. So you started exercising in the ninth grade? Yes. What was the motivation back then? I don't, you know what? My dad died young of diabetes. And so I watched someone who could have helped themselves not help themselves. And I think I just started loving that I could kind of be healthy based on how I lived. And my first job was a fitness instructor. Like I taught aerobics when I was in grade nine. So there was just something that I guess it was I like to be the opposite of what I was witnessing at home. Okay. It must have been scary to watch your dad go through that. Yeah, maybe scary, but I'm a little stubborn.

1:25:51So to me, I just never understood the rationale behind being able to fix something and then not fixing it.

1:25:58Adam Schafer:Yeah, I get it. I get that. Has anybody ever told you that you're too controlling with your diet or that it's too restrictive? Yeah, definitely. But I would also say, I don't know about quantity. Like people are always surprised how much food I can eat, but I'm not someone who deviates from the foods that I eat. For one, like I do do it from time to time. Like I love pizza and for my birthday I'll have cake and I won't feel guilt about that. But I do find I just feel better the rest of the week when I stick close to like the foods that I know work for me. Okay, cool. And you've had bone density tested along with all of this?

1:26:42No.

1:26:43Adam Schafer:Okay. You should. Yeah, I would get bone density tested along with all of this. And then let's talk about exercise. What is your, like, what does your daily activity look like and your workouts look like? So when I'm working, I get up at four, like I said, I do my physio and I might do, I'll call it a trigger session in the morning because I'm trying to maintain the muscle that I put in the winter. And then I go to work and I put in a 10 hour day of labor. So I have a very active eight months of year. and the winter I would say my activity is walking my dogs. I don't do cardio. I just walk my dogs for my cardio and then I hit the gym for afternoon.

1:27:25And then the rest of the day I kind of like, because I'm so burnt out for eight months a year, if I want to be a little lazy or if I want to clean the house, I don't put a lot of pressure on myself in the off season.

1:27:36Adam Schafer:Okay. And then what does your strength training look like? I try to lift as heavy as possible. I take long rest periods. Um, my legs because of my hip dysplasia and which I didn't know it was hip dysplasia until this year, but I would lift what I felt I could do without the pain. Yeah. It's body weight. Some days I start warming my hips up and I have to go to upper body because it's just too painful. But if I can lift, I might lift six to eight reps heavy. Okay. But if it's a day where, you know, that doesn't feel good, then I'll drop the weights and I'll lift to 10 to 15. It just, I kind of like, now that I'm older, I don't push through it like I used to.

1:28:18Okay. I turn a little better.

1:28:20Adam Schafer:Okay, good. Okay, good. And then if you don't mind me asking, height and weight? I'm 5 '6", and I'm 103 pounds. Okay. Okay, so what's going to help you the most? Obviously, continue moving, continue strength training. you're going to want to go into the surgery with more muscle and more body fat at your height and your weight and what you're describing. So you're active. So it's like, you're not active. You're doing some, you're doing the exercises, you're doing the right ones. You do physio. So you're doing the correctional exercises. So that's all good, but you're going to have a easier time recovering, uh, going into the surgery with more weight on your body.

1:29:03Adam Schafer:Yeah. Uh, because you're going to be catabolic post-surgery. This is what happens. So post-surgery, you can't move much. And the name of what happens, this is just natural, is you're going to lose some muscle and you're going to lose some weight. Okay. This is what happens. And if you don't have a lot of weight to lose, this can be very detrimental. So someone like you is going to want to go in. I'd like to, and when is your surgery? November. Oh, you got time. Oh, good. I'd like to see you

1:29:31Sal Di Stefano:gain 15 to 20 pounds yeah even if it's body fat so don't don't overthink the the what you're eating it's like it's better that we put on body fat than we put on no way if you could do it with

1:29:42Adam Schafer:healthy food there's nothing i think that's great oh of course i think that's great but you but if i

1:29:46Sal Di Stefano:had to choose you not not eating something or eating something with high calories like you right just eat you i want i want weight on going into that yeah you're gonna want to go in a good

1:29:55Adam Schafer:15 to 20 pounds heavier, feeling strong. Uh, and that's going to give you a nice buffer. Um, I would also suggest a, uh, bone density test.

1:30:05Sal Di Stefano:Dex scan will do that.

1:30:06Adam Schafer:Yeah. And just see where you're at. Uh, and if your bone density with all the exercise you've been doing, if the test says that your bone density is in the lower range, for sure, your, your, your caloric intake has been too low for too long for sure. Cause the only time you see that when When people are active in the exercise, but they have low bone density, it's because they're not eating enough. Yeah. Because obviously activity, strength training sends a signal to strengthen bone. It just does. But if you don't feed your body enough, you're going to lose bone density. So I really suggest you do that.

1:30:38Adam Schafer:And if you are my client going into surgery and we're like, oh, we got till November. My goal with you is continue strength training, traditional strength training. Make sure you pick the right exercises, which it sounds like you're doing the right ones. Make sure you have good technique. and I'm going to have you gain weight. I want you to go in 15 pounds heavier at least and that'll give us a nice buffer because if you go in at 103 pounds, you're going to get down to 90 and you're going to feel not great because you just don't have much to lose there.

1:31:06Sal Di Stefano:And it'll be all good weight you'll lose. And if you go in with some body fat, at least we have some body fat for your body.

1:31:12Adam Schafer:We want to gain muscle and body fat going into it.

1:31:14Sal Di Stefano:Yes, definitely. My other question is, and I don't know, maybe this is a Justin question, But like I don't move well laterally. And I think because my hip is so unstable and I'm trying to like, you know, build muscle on my glutes and stuff like that to like, you know, stabilize my hip. But I think I'm nervous now because I've hurt myself so many times. And like I would try something and then I wouldn't sleep for the week because I was sore. But I don't move well laterally and I don't move well with instability. And I don't know, is that something, do I wait till after surgery that I work on or do I try to work on it now?

1:31:57Sal Di Stefano:Very gradually, very progressively, you can make steps in that direction. Something like a tube walk to start in terms of like having you slightly hip hinged or squatted and then kind of walking laterally to get some kind of resistance to that would start kind of help to build and develop. isometrics would be amazing. 90-90 work in two walks would be awesome.

1:32:25Adam Schafer:Well, you got to be careful with the hip dysplasia with 90-90. But I would go isometrics and press against something like you're doing an abduction. Not fully abducted, but like halfway, press into something really, really hard for 15 to 20 seconds and rest. Very safe for people with joint instability and it still builds strength. And it's actually

1:32:47Sal Di Stefano:a great way to get like a yoga block against the wall that would be ideal yep um yeah and i think too at some point if it feels comfortable just to um you know in a wide stance you just you know bend one knee kind of shift your weight to one side come back so it's not necessarily like a depth thing it's just acclimating to that lateral stability if you had like a suspension trainer to help support that way you do that would be great so i don't know if you have a suspension trainer or not, but anchoring that, holding that while you kind of do what Justin's saying, almost like a Cossack squat where you're going right to left.

1:33:19Adam Schafer:But don't go full range of motion with what you have. You're going to go shorter range of motion.

1:33:24Sal Di Stefano:And we're just gradually, incrementally like inch by inch. That's right. That and a calorie surplus would serve you really well. Yes. And did you guys ever have people that recovered from hip surgery that like, am I going to be able to do different movements that I couldn't do before? Or is this kind of like same but no pain?

1:33:40Adam Schafer:No, you'll be fine. No, so I've had great success. But it all hinges on how well you go into it. The corrective work. And then after. Okay. Now, your range of motion will be limited with hip replacement. So if you're really hypermobile now, you're not going to have that same mobility, but you'll have good mobility. So it's not like you have bad mobility. The mistake people will often make with replacement is they start to go crazy. They try to really challenge. And those joints, those replacement joints are not made to do that. And so they can cause problems. But if you get, if you do good, uh, like you go into it strong and healthy and you come out of it and you're very diligent about your rehab and your strengthening, you'll be fine.

1:34:26Okay. Thank you guys very much.

1:34:27Adam Schafer:I have a question, Tiffany, would you be open to working with a coach between now and November to work on the things we talked about? Cause I think it would be very helpful to have somebody, uh, work with you, especially with nutrition to get you that point. Is that, would you be open to that or? absolutely absolutely for me my biggest thing is i don't train as much like i my training sessions are closer to like the triggers that i'm not trigger you're 15 minutes or 30 minutes because

1:34:55Sal Di Stefano:i'm that's okay yeah that's good that's okay better yeah yeah that's fine that's totally fine

1:34:59Adam Schafer:okay i'll i'm gonna have a coach call you tiffany perfect thank you very much you got it thank you yeah so um i mean i have my um uh i have my suspicions on what i think that the challenge is um uh that's why i asked for a bone density test will tell us uh right out the gates if that's the case but i'll tell you what look if you go into surgery okay if you have two people that work out one person goes in overweight remember they both work out so they're both they both exercise One goes in overweight, one goes in underweight. Underweight, far worse recovery. Oh, of course. Far worse recovery. Being underweight puts you at a high risk with any kind of illness or injury or surgery.

1:35:42Adam Schafer:You just, because you're catabolic post-surgery. Well, and there's nothing to tap into.

1:35:46Sal Di Stefano:No. That's what I mean. That's what my point was. Of course, going through old foods. But shit, she's allowed to have cake. She's allowed to eat. I want calories. She needs to put calories.

1:35:55Adam Schafer:But I'd like to see where they're at. Because she's saying she eats a lot. But people are always knowing you. Yeah, but that's, no, no. Who knows?

1:36:00Sal Di Stefano:You're not eating, it can't be possible. A lot from her perspective, for sure, but not a lot as in enough. Whatever it is, it's not enough. Calorie dense wise, maybe not. Yeah, exactly. I mean, you could be eating a lot of very low calorie foods that are not, and she needs calories.

1:36:14Adam Schafer:And the reason why I asked her, just for people listening, we've worked with enough people. And when you go back to the initial motivation for why in ninth grade, so that's a young age, to really getting into work out, getting into working out. And if it's like I was really overweight or somebody died, there's often this fear attached to what you're doing. And that can lead you in a direction that is often not great.

1:36:39Sal Di Stefano:Well, it could lead you into the very thing that you fear, something unhealthy. That's right. Because if she gets that test back and her bone density is really bad, that's just as unhealthy, just in a different direction. Our next caller is Heather from Michigan. Hi, Heather. How you doing, Heather? Hey, guys. Very excited to be on the podcast. I've been listening to you for going on seven years, I think. So, yeah, you've been my source of entertainment, education for fitness for a long, long time. So I really appreciate it. Cool.

1:37:10Adam Schafer:How can we help you? Yeah. So like most people, I'll just read my question. I'm a 28-year-old female with an immense passion for health, fitness and helping others. Throughout my life, I've played many sports, including running cross country and track at the collegiate level. However, now that I've graduated college, I have solely focused on staying active through resistance training and walking slash hiking. I have a bachelor's degree in athletic training, and I've always been super interested in health and fitness. However, I don't have a personal training certificate. I've been listening to Mind Pump for going on seven years now, and I've learned so much from Sal, Adam, and Justin.

1:37:45I even got the chance to meet you guys at the Olympia a few years ago. so I'd love to know what's the best path for someone who doesn't have direct experience with training clients to become a mind pump certified personal trainer I just think fitness has always been a big passion of mine and I've been working in the supplement industry for for several years now and I'm just considering starting it either as like a side hustle or maybe even a career change but I'm just curious what your guys's thoughts are because I know a lot of people or a lot of companies, they want someone with experience, right?

1:38:17I mean, that's, that's the biggest thing that they're looking for. So for me, beyond getting maybe some certifications through NASM or something like that. Yeah. I'm just curious what you guys are, your thoughts are on someone who's looking to get into personal training.

1:38:33Adam Schafer:Well, this is cool. Yeah. So you want us to interview you? We'll do a little pre-interview right now. So, okay. So we've, we've fully empowered Kyle who runs our fitness department. So he makes the decisions on who works here. but we could talk a little bit about the culture and what we're looking for with our coaches. And we've said this before, we don't hire trainers, we make them. So I'm far less interested in a trainer who's got all this pedigree, but if they don't have the right character, I could care less. One of our, like who now runs our sales department, who's excellent, does a great job, Bob Marcello, uh, less than a year ago, I think it still was a police officer.

1:39:13Adam Schafer:So he had no, uh, experience. I mean, he worked out on his own, but he had no experience and now he does a phenomenal job for us. So we're looking for character more than anything. So, but I want to hear from you, what makes you want to work, uh, at mind pump? What makes you want to be a mind pump trainer or coach? I think it's, it's mainly the message you guys put out, you know, obviously being a fitness fanatic, I've always went after like, you know, optimizing everything. And I think now that I've kind of gone through my own fitness journey and I'm getting older, I'm starting to realize how important it is to be like more simplified and have a more realistic approach to training.

1:39:50Like not everybody has time to train or even wants to train, you know, five, six days a week. So I love the message you guys preach in terms of sustainability and making these small changes that really impact people's lives. Like, and to me, I feel like beyond the paycheck, beyond all that, like that makes such a bigger impact. It's like if I could use this knowledge I have that I've gained and also build upon that, maybe from learning, you know, from you guys and the trainers and whatnot that I could help others. And I mean, to me, it's like a win-win situation. So I just love, like I said, the message you guys preach and all the things that I've learned.

1:40:26And through experience, through, like I said, my own journey, I've realized like, wow, this is something where there's so many people out there that, you know, their lives could benefit from this. And I would just love to even just help some people. It doesn't have to be, you know, it doesn't have to be like thousands of people. But, yeah, that's just where my true passion lies. I think I have experienced that through even my own career. I'm like, oh, I really enjoy this. And if it's like if I could build a career through that, I mean, that would be a dream for me.

1:40:55Sal Di Stefano:What are you currently doing? What do you do right now? I'm a regulatory analyst for a supplement company. So basically helping on project teams to develop different nutritional products to make sure they're compliant with like U.S. and Canada regulations. So how long have you been doing that for? Just a year, because previous to that, I was working for some other supplement companies doing product development and formulation. um but uh this company is located in michigan and that's where my family's from so i wanted to get back to being closer to family it was very important to me so i used to live in pennsylvania and then i lived in jersey and i worked for a couple different sports nutrition companies doing um yeah product formulation so was it always the career that made you move was that how you left i mean how did yeah okay yeah basically but you know as you get older and your parents get older and you know all my siblings and whatnot i was like i don't want to miss out on that i feel Like, you know, I kind of did what I wanted to do and experienced leaving, you know, leaving my home state and everything to do those things.

1:41:59And I was fortunate enough to to get those opportunities at a young age out of college. It was kind of a nontraditional path for me because I had a like I said, I had a degree in athletic training, so nothing to do with supplements necessarily. So it was all like self-taught and just worked my way up from there.

1:42:16Adam Schafer:OK, that sounds good. I like that you want to be around family. The only challenge is what we're really interested in right now are people who live here in California because we're looking for, we want, we like the culture or should I say we value the culture that we're building. And we do have remote coaches, but it's the culture that we have here is what we're most interested in. So I don't know if that's even something that's plausible for you to move and live somewhere else, you know, like here in California. yeah i've visited california a handful of times we actually had a manufacturer out there um we used to work with so i've been out there that's why i wanted to kind of chat with you guys if there was any opportunity for maybe whether it's maybe doing training in person and then eventually going remote i don't know what that would look like but i guess that was part of maybe this question as well um if you guys are looking to because like i said i i know based on my athletic training degree it's very valuable to get hands-on experience and to be there and you get the most out of any experience doing that.

1:43:18But I don't know if you guys, like, I wanted to get an understanding of your goal. If it's like, hey, we want to be able to have trainers accessible across the U.S. or what that looked like.

1:43:26Sal Di Stefano:We have both. We have, so we have remote coaches too. And, and you would get a training, you'd get a week here. So typically what Kyle does, if you pass the interview with him and you want to live where you're at currently, then he'd have like a week where you would fly out here and you do in-person training with the team. You'd meet all the trainers here. You'd meet us, work here for a week where you learn all the systems and then he'd send you back home. And then some of the trainers, they're currently remote with the ultimate goal to move up in the company and then maybe come back this way.

1:44:00Sal Di Stefano:Some of them want to stay remote and just be a remote coach for us. As far as career wise, there's way more money in coming back and moving up. And so it's kind of how the system we've built is we understand people have lives over there and they want to slowly scale. But ultimately, if you wanted to make a career out of it, you'd want to work for the company where the company is at.

1:44:24Adam Schafer:That's where all the opportunity.

1:44:24Sal Di Stefano:That's where all the opportunity for growth and actually real income is at. But you can still make money by being a remote coach and doing that. And we have quite a few of those. We have more remote coaches than we have personal coaches. We've only got about nine here and we have about 12 that are remote. And so that is a possibility and that's what that pathway looks like it would look like interviewing with kyle he thinks you're a great fit uh then he would schedule a week where you would come out here for a week and you you would work uh with us for a week and then send you with all our systems and how it works and then they'd slow you scale you up with clients and then that's how you would do

1:45:00Adam Schafer:that but just just if i you know just to give you an edge uh there's a higher consideration when someone's like i'll be willing to live here because that's what we're most interested in Uh, you know, I don't, I don't get face to face time with my remote coaches, uh, and neither does Kyle, uh, very often, but the coaches that are here, uh, this is, these, this is the family. This is what really, now we all consider everybody family, but when you're here, uh, this is, this is where everything happens. Uh, and so that's the edge. So when someone's like, I'm willing to move and I'll come intern for a month and learn and show you, uh, that I'm good.

1:45:36Adam Schafer:And then I'll move here and make it happen. That places you near the top of the list of people to consider. So just for you, if you end up applying and talking to Kyle, if that's in, if that's something you're open to, then I would communicate that if not, don't say it. But it does give, it does give you an edge. Are you in our certification course? Not yet. No. And so like, ever since I started thinking about this and I submitted my question, I've been, you know, I've been considering this for a while, but I started to look, you know, more into obviously NASM and then your guys' elite trainer course as well.

1:46:09So I started to look into all those things and that's why I was like, well, I'd love to talk to them to kind of chat through what they recommend me maybe starting with or what, based on my goal of, you know, becoming a personal trainer. And like I said, I wouldn't really want to learn from anybody else. Cause I just, I align with your guys' message, your values. And yeah, that's what I would want to.

1:46:30Sal Di Stefano:My recommendation then would be to get into the lead trainer course for sure. because then no matter what, you're learning from us there. All our systems are in there. Right? And it's designed to help somebody from where you're at build a business. So whether you end up working for us directly or not, the next step I would go is go right into Elite Trainer Academy, get in there, and then also apply with Kyle. And that's at mindpumpjobs.com. And so if you do that, that would be your first one and two step no matter what.

1:46:55Adam Schafer:You already have a bachelor degree in athletic training. We would look at NASM like your degree, but our certification weighs much higher. because it's, again, it's our philosophy, it's our culture. And we're teaching you the things we would teach you if you worked here in that course.

1:47:10Sal Di Stefano:And even if you didn't work for us, it still would be the pathway. Because like Sal said, you already have a degree in the field. And so in the field, that's as weighted as an NASM is or anything else is. And so you already have some good formal education. Ours is more heavily on our philosophy and application and then the business side, and so I, which I think will serve you no matter what, whether you're working with us or not. And so I would get into that and then I would, and then I'd reach out to Kyle by applying.

1:47:37Adam Schafer:Let me do this, Heather. Let me have my education director call you and talk to you about our course. Uh, cause she runs all of our education. And then, uh, if this all sounds good, you apply at mindpumpjobs.com and you can say in there that you talk to us, uh, here on the podcast. And we sent you there.

1:47:53Sal Di Stefano:Yep. Okay. Awesome. I'm really looking forward to this. Like I said, This is surreal since I've been listening to you guys for so long. And I've learned so much, not only about like how people say this a lot, you know, fitness, but just life in general. So I really appreciate all the, you know, all the value you guys provide beyond just fitness education. So, yeah, thank you so much. Appreciate that. Hopefully we'll see you. Yes. Yeah, I'll do that. I'm looking forward to connecting with them. So thank you. And we'll call you. See ya. Yeah.

1:48:20Adam Schafer:I mean, for anybody listening, that's going to give you an edge. and you're willing to come intern for a month and show that you got what it takes. It's definitely a privilege to be a coach here. The amount of learning, exposure, training, leads, types of clients you get here. Obviously, we have the largest fitness podcast in the world, so it's just a crazy amount of potential clients that come through. But you got to reflect us and our philosophy. That's it. And what we want is character. more than anything else, more than education, even more than experience. Experience is good, but even more than that.

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