2848: The #1 Longevity Factor Nobody Talks About (It's Not the Gym)

11:23Justin Andrews:afterwards and bump your VO2 max. Well, you know, it's interesting too. I've noticed since cardio hasn't been as crazy of an emphasis for me. Like, you know, over the last few years, I've been more focused on strength training. I don't sweat that much in my workouts because I rest, like, you know, big rest periods. And then, you know, when I get in the sun, I'm actually sweating. It's like, you know, the benefits of actually sweating and getting all this stuff out is I could feel a difference.

11:49Adam Schafer:Yeah, big time. Here's the other thing, by the way, with the strength training, which is kind of cool. 30 minutes a week. That's it. Gives you that benefit. That's it. 30 minutes a week for the cardiovascular training what did i say it was it was uh 70 minutes a week yeah it was a it was like a yeah no it was i think it was it was 75 to 100 150 minutes a week so like uh 30 minutes of devoted time yeah um and you get this huge uh benefit half to a quarter yeah so it's like very little time uh needed to provide this huge boost where strength training really shines because both strength training and cardio training are they show benefits for the heart cardio seem uh according to the current data edges it out uh for heart health for cancer risk strength training crushes it's got this incredible cancer anti-cancer effect uh which is which is pretty cool which that's just because bigger gas right uh insulin sensitivity maybe it has to do with it.

12:52Adam Schafer:By the way, if you combine them together, it's like a 47 % reduction in all-cause mortality. So if you do a little of both, and again, it's dose dependent, but also too much is not good. So again, I'll go back. Strength has this incredible correlate to longevity. The stronger you get, the longer you live. Past a certain point, when you start chasing extreme strength, then you start to sacrifice longevity. The extreme examples will be like competitive power lifter, bodybuilder, something like that. Same thing with endurance. Although endurance seems to have more of a negative effect when you chase it, all things being equal.

13:30Adam Schafer:But you see like when they've examined, have you guys seen this before? Well, they'll look at the hearts of highly competitive, like hardcore endurance athletes and their hearts are damaged because of the repetitive kind of stress. Yeah, which is kind of crazy. Healthy eating, what do you guys think? How much does that contribute? That's got to be up there. Yeah, it's got to be high, right? 18 to 24 % lower all-cause mortality, which is, by the way, a percentage like that means you're going to live about a one and a half to three years longer. So, you know, so one and a half to three years longer.

14:04But what this really means, we do a good job.

14:08Adam Schafer:Again, when you go into the data, it's really important to understand what you're looking at. Yes, you live longer, but Western medicine does such a good job of keeping you alive right what we really want to look at isn't quality of life health span yeah right so although he's self-sufficient that's right although the data may show that you live three years longer the end of your life looks way different yeah the person

14:31Sal Di Stefano:who's doing these things uh at 65 70 looks a hell of a lot different and it is and it's different quality of life yeah he's been able to enjoy different things in life than the person who is just 65, 70. Yes. So it's not just about the age.

14:48Adam Schafer:No, because again, when you look at the medical interventions for heart attacks, we've had some incredible breakthroughs in recent decades on keeping you alive. Like really incredible breakthroughs with that. But quality of life, that still requires a change in your lifestyle. So yeah, you might not die from your second heart attack or third up like you used to, but how are you living and how do you feel? And so that's the thing to consider with this. So when you look at the data and you're like, oh, okay, two more years of life, big deal. It's like, no, no, no. Your last 10 years of life look different when you're fit versus when you're not fit.

15:26Adam Schafer:Because the last, especially the last five years tend to look really, really bad for people who aren't exercising or eating right. Stress management, what do you guys think? Probably the lowest of all of them. Yeah, it's actually pretty damn high, 23 to 30%. Oh, damn.

15:41Sal Di Stefano:What did it rank higher then?

15:44Adam Schafer:I mean, it's up there with cardio and strength training. Interesting. Isn't that wild? Yeah, that is. Now, think about this, though.

15:51Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, if you strength train and do cardio, you are also managing stress. You're managing stress, yeah.

15:55Adam Schafer:Yeah, there's that part, too, right? And also, imagine living 25, 30 years in a very stressful situation. Have you guys seen the data on caretakers? So like your parents get old and then you got to take care of them. In the last 10 years of the life, it's like, you know, you're dealing with Alzheimer's. You're dealing with like, in the last five years, you're like, really? Your, the toll it places on a caretaker is insane. The stress it places on the caretaker is absolutely insane. Or like if your spouse gets sick, something happens and you have to take care of them. You know, I had a friend who's, years ago, whose wife had multiple sclerosis.

16:39Adam Schafer:and um the last i mean he was like fully taking care of her for the last 10 years like did everything the whole time and uh he was a great man great husband you know stuck by her did the whole thing but that's brutal you know that's a very high stress yeah i would say it takes a very

16:56Sal Di Stefano:special person to be able to handle that in stride most people i think that would that i mean most everybody i think that would hit pretty hard yes yes yes all right so here's the here's the cool

17:06Adam Schafer:one uh so moving just moving daily daily activity this one people ranked pretty darn low people thought like 12 percent of people thought this was like really impactful i actually think that's way

17:17Sal Di Stefano:more impactful it's the most okay yeah so i i'm so i have my uh my aunt and uncle are in visiting in town right now and they're in their late 70s and they don't strain train you know they they They don't drink, they don't smoke, and they walk like crazy. I've got them up right now in Half Moon Bay, and they're walking up and down the coast, and they love to go to the city and hike. And they live in Seattle area, so they take all the boats everywhere, and they look phenomenal. And they're active and can do a lot, and it's just purely from that. They make relatively good choices eating. They don't watch, really.

17:56Sal Di Stefano:They're not tracking. They're not eating garbage all the time. Yeah, they don't eat fast food. They don't eat garbage. but I'd say the one thing I noticed about them more than anything else I've seen in my relatives or people close to me or clients is this. They are extremely active with just walking out and about every day, and it's a part of both retired for a long time, but you would think they're 10, 15 years younger than what they are.

18:18Adam Schafer:Yeah, it's 47 to 70 percent. Wow. Lower all-cause. 70 percent on the high end. Wow. And it's just moving every day.

18:28Sal Di Stefano:Well, you know, I just, because then you have the other so then i have the other side of of a close family friend of mine he was a truck driver his life retired and it just sits all day and just doesn't go out watch his tv it's just and you could just see him aging so fast so fast because of that you know so it's like i've got a front row seat right now to two people very close to or two couples close to me and they're total different lifestyles and uh it just to me it highlights just how which always it brings me back makes me feel so guilty when i was a 20 something year old trainer and i talk about how

19:10Adam Schafer:i used to scoff at my clients daily activity wasn't even on my radar no no it was workouts yes that's what i talked about yeah it wasn't about like oh i like to garden every day and i I'd go for walks twice a day and I'd look at them like, well, you're not working out. Yeah.

19:25Sal Di Stefano:Yes. Shame on me. I know. You know, because, and then I look back to how we talk to people today and recommend. It's like the first go-to thing is like that.

19:35Justin Andrews:Yeah. It's getting out and garden, get out and. Everything in your body works better if you give it adequate movement.

19:40Adam Schafer:I remember going to Sicily as a kid. I think I was 12 and we were visiting. She might've been a family member or a family friend. I don't remember. I have such a big family. and this old woman, she was a widow and I think she was either late 70s or early 80s at this point. And I remember we went to visit her and this is old world. So these cities were created before cars. So oftentimes the roads are really narrow or they're not really accessible by car. And she lived in one of those houses. And every day, every single day, which is the custom, this is like the culture back then, maybe not so much now, but back then that was a culture that every day you go to the shop.

20:21Adam Schafer:So every day you would walk to the grocery store to get your, what you're going to cook and use for the day. You don't go shopping once a week. You go every single day. Plus this is how she socialized or whatever. To get to her house, you had to walk up this street. It was like a big steep street. Then she lived on the third floor and she would, there's no elevator. And you had to walk up all the stair. And I remember as a 12 year old kid, we had to park at the bottom and walk up there. and I'm a 12 year old kid. I'm like breathing heavy. And I remember we get there and I'm like, it dawns on me, she lives alone.

20:54Adam Schafer:And I'm like, and my dad's like every day she goes, and she's, he's trying to make fun of me. He's like, you're tired. He goes every day. She goes down these stairs, goes, walks down. She does it maybe like at least once or twice a day, every single day. It's just built into her life and she was fully dependent, you know, independent. Nope. She'd go to a gym.

21:10Justin Andrews:But this is what she did every single day. Yeah. We have this lady in our neighborhood who she has a, an interesting property. It's like it's her house is, you know, kind of at this corner of this like blind turn, but it extends pretty far. It has like its own trail and all the way up the trail. Like it hits a few houses along the way, but she's always there picking up leaves and raking. I swear to God, every single day and she gets different sections of it. Merc works her way down the other way, like cleans. I'm like, she's like a saint, but like continuously works in this happy smile. like she's just like doing something every single day and it dude it gives her purpose if you don't

21:50Sal Di Stefano:it's wild how fast the body will prune it yeah and decline yeah so fast it's like if we're not going to grab anything above our head you know for a year or five years in a row the body will just be like we don't need to do that anymore you got are you guys you know this is totally like dating us because i i totally am aware of this stuff now and i try and be come aware of a lot of that stuff throughout my day and do silly stuff like oh when i put my socks on i try and challenge myself to balance balance and balance on one leg when i walk up my stairs i'll do like these like this calf raise to a balance to a cat like i just because i don't want to lose some simple things like that and if i'm not programming it into my training it's like i

22:36Justin Andrews:jump a lot now so i get i'm trying to get more springy so i'll just like especially upstairs i'll kind of like hop so you just look like you're excited hey guys yeah well i'll get up from a chair

22:46Sal Di Stefano:with one leg you know so i'll stand up out of the chair and with one leg just well what's what's

22:51Adam Schafer:cool about this and this this is really good uh it's really good uh part of this conversation is when you're aware of this it adds and this is important it actually adds value uh to physical activities like chores yes so you might look at a chore like i don't want to get up and you know do the laundry i don't want to do the dishes i don't want to go clean the the room or make the beds or whatever i don't feel like doing it but then when you realize the value of it which is movement and activity it actually makes those things less annoying it actually is kind of like

23:24Sal Di Stefano:maybe the maybe the biggest change in my life in the last five to ten years is that understanding yes and you start the value moving 100 like i there is times where i find chores to do because

23:38Justin Andrews:i'm like i haven't really moved much today yeah and i'm sure there's something in my house that

23:42Sal Di Stefano:needs to get done yeah that's my car whether it's cleaning out yard type stuff the car stuff dishes whatever it's like there's something i can do that is labor that takes time for an effort for me to do it never looked at it like that before never in fact not even that long ago had the attitude of oh i can afford to outsource it and so i'll outsource anything that i can so i can buy back time well that's great to an extent right because i do think there's a lot of value in that like if it comes to helping me out with certain things that gives me time to spend with my son or just with that but there's plenty of times too when he's at school or something and that's like i'm not with him anyways yeah and i'm sitting on my butt not doing anything it's like i could go do this thing that is makes me active and well when i see stuff like this what's crazy because i'm a

24:27Adam Schafer:trainer. I'm in the fitness industry. I like to work out, right? I get that. But when you look at the value of just moving every day, like you realize this, what we've done to ourselves, because we've really organized our cities and society, uh, in a way that, um, it, it does the opposite of promote movement. Uh, it actually becomes a place where you have to consciously move because nothing requires movement anymore. So we've really designed our lives in a way that is so anti-longevity. It's just so bad.

24:58Sal Di Stefano:I have a prediction on that. I believe with the self-driving cars that are around the corner, that the robots and automation of everything, that everything can be delivered or soon to be flown to your house. I think that we're going to see a decrease in real estate in city, inner city, and an increase in suburbs and further away. The opposite of what we've seen historically sure because i think that we're going to value space

25:29Adam Schafer:like that value people move less in suburbs huh people move a lot less than suburbs well yeah

25:34Sal Di Stefano:it's because they don't have they're not walking to work and stuff like that but that's all going

25:37Adam Schafer:to change though well i think they might design what you're starting to see city planners are starting to create cities yes yes in ways in cities that promote uh movement that's happening

25:45Sal Di Stefano:where i live right now they're designing all that right now so i that's what i think you're going to see a suburbs being designed like that there's another place that i forget the it's one of the most desirable places i want to say it's in i think i sent to you doug and i said i know you're talking about investment an area that i was looking at for investment and a lot of like

26:01Adam Schafer:cities are they're kind of making them see like you have town square yes you have your a lot of

26:06Sal Di Stefano:greenery and everything's designed to be able to walk walk to and i think that's what we're going to start looking like less of this like indiana we'll say it was something like that

26:14Adam Schafer:you know you were you were saying about what you were saying about relationships uh adam yeah uh I think of all of the things, like if you're like, okay, what's the one thing that I can do that will contribute positively to the rest of these? And I got to say, it's probably good relationships and community. I do. I think that promotes activity.

26:36Justin Andrews:Yeah.

26:36Adam Schafer:Promotes daily activity. You got the socialization. You got the stress management. People who are in good community tend to eat healthier. I know that sounds crazy, but it's actually true. We tend to help each other, check each other. good community in gyms. This is something that more and more I'm realizing is a big miss with gyms. Part of the reason I miss this is I'm such a fitness fanatic. It doesn't matter to me who's in the gym or not. I got my headphones. I'm going to work out no matter what. But most people, if you look at what keeps people consistently going to the gym the most, it's community.

27:12Adam Schafer:CrossFit figured this out. Totally. They had crappy gyms. They got garage gyms or whatever. We're building equipment. Programming's not the best. People getting hurt, all that stuff. But they keep showing up. I got a buddy of mine who keeps going to CrossFit, and it's funny because I'm his friend. He's got another buddy that's a really experienced strength coach, personal trainer, and he was talking to him about it. We both razz him about it. Yeah, we're razzing about the program, this and that. And he pushes back, but then at the end of it, he's like, look, guys, I go because I love the community.

27:42Adam Schafer:And I'm like, you know, that's what gyms used to be. it really used to be that where it was uh it was about community and that's why people showed up that's why people kept going it wasn't for the workout it was for the community and shame on me i should have known this because as a personal trainer when i became successful yes i knew how to train people properly i knew how to coach them properly but they kept showing up because they liked the place they liked me they liked the other trainers in there they liked each other um and i think that's probably one of the more important things uh that will help with everything

28:12Justin Andrews:else yeah it's interesting because the movement piece i was thinking of that when you're talking about it that's what brings the opportunity to like meet up with people totally interact with uh you know even strangers or like you know start conversations it's like if you're not even getting out of the house like and you're isolated uh it's it's pretty much a downward spiral from there i

28:34Adam Schafer:saw my grandparents decline so quickly during covid it was actually terrifying oh yeah when When COVID was happening, everybody was freaking out.

28:43Justin Andrews:There was like a - That's why real health people were just like, this is all bogus. Because it's just like, it was telling you all the opposite advice that we know is detrimental. No sunshine.

28:55Sal Di Stefano:Stay indoors. Stay indoors.

28:56Justin Andrews:All this stuff just fostering more disease. Close down the gyms.

29:00Adam Schafer:Keep the liquor stores open. My grandparents, I think we all avoided them. We would drop off things, right? But we'd avoid them because we're scared. They're old. Oh, you got this COVID. We don't want them to get the virus. And I think the family kind of stayed away from them for the most part for like four months. That's it. And I remember when we were finally like, look, that's it. We got to go hang out with them. Like, this isn't good. We got to go see them. And I remember seeing my grandfather and my grandmother. And I was like, they look like they aged five years. Yeah. In four months. I believe it.

29:27Adam Schafer:Yeah. It was really, it was almost traumatizing to see. Yeah. And so that social part, such an important, such an important.

29:35Sal Di Stefano:Well, yeah, I think you're right. I think it feeds into a lot of the other ones. Totally. Difficult though as you get older. Yeah. You know, it takes...

29:41Justin Andrews:You don't have as many friends, you know, especially dudes.

29:46Adam Schafer:Widows, widowers, husbands who lose their wives. We don't do good. We do terribly. I know. We just isolate the hell out of ourselves. Courtney gets me out of the house all the time. I'm just like, I don't care about this. You know, the angry hermit guy, you know what I mean? That stereotype. I could totally turn to that. Oh, I could see myself totally.

30:01Sal Di Stefano:We just had this, my family and I were all talking about this. My aunt and uncle who are visiting, you know, who are in their late 70s. So they grew up in a time where neighborhoods were so different. And the last neighborhood I lived in was my first experience like that since I was a kid. And I tell you what, I missed the hell out of it. I love where I'm at, but I missed the hell out of that neighborhood. I haven't had a neighborhood like that since I was a kid where everybody's garage doors were open. It was really actually - It's so awesome. It took a minute for me to transition and actually be okay with like, I would pull up to my house and I would just go straight for my door because I'd been trained to do that for so long.

30:45Sal Di Stefano:But then my neighbor would stop me and want to talk, and then I'd feel rude if I didn't. And it was like, man, I just need to relax and be okay with that and just stand outside. We'd talk for a little bit. Then I'd go in the garage. They'd be sitting in the lawn chairs having a beer. Other neighbor down the corner would come walking over, just walk right into his garage and help himself. It just was such a cool vibe to have that. I just hadn't had that since I was a kid that was like that. And it's rare to find neighborhoods in the Bay like that that still foster that.

31:12Adam Schafer:We had a friend of ours. This never happens, right? She's just randomly, wonderful woman, Tammy. She goes to our church. And she just was in the neighborhood, knocked on the door. Hey, what are you guys doing? Came in. And it was just so wonderful. We felt so filled with just love and whatever. And she laughed. And me and Jessica looked at each other like, that was like the highlight of our day, that she stopped by just to say hi. Like, nobody does that anymore. Yeah. People don't like it if you don't text them first. You know what I mean? Like, how dare, let's hide. People at the door, don't let them in, you know?

31:41Adam Schafer:Pretty wild how that's all turned out. Anyway, speaking of strength training and mortality, it's important to communicate, because oftentimes we communicate how important it is to build muscle. But when you look at the correlate with health and longevity and all the benefits that come from muscle, it's actually the strength that has the strongest correlate, not the muscle. Muscle's a correlate because it correlates so strongly to strength. Yeah. Because you can have muscle and have poor strength, poor mobility, and you start to see not that great longevity. It's actually strength that we're looking at.

32:20Adam Schafer:I think it's important to understand because moving ahead with or looking forward with these drugs are trying to come out to combat the muscle loss that you're getting from GLPs.

32:28Justin Andrews:I was immediately thinking about that. like in dr gabriel line describing the marbling and some muscle just building muscle if it doesn't

32:39Adam Schafer:isn't accompanied by strength uh doesn't have nearly the protective uh or longevity effects it's actually the strength you're looking for yeah anyway um i want to hear justin was sharing a story with me yesterday that i'm like oh yeah what are you guys i've been begging him not to

32:53Justin Andrews:to wait yeah no i was telling him about so there's a show on hbo now i should have already like been aware any show on hbo you kind of have to know that it's going to get wild at some point um it was like there's it's called neighbors and um is it a documentary isn't that documentary reality show yeah it's a reality show and i'm like they're so smart because i guarantee on youtube it's already proven that they get like millions of views because these spats like neighbors get into like they start filming each other they put like nest cameras facing each other over the fence and you knocked over my fence you know and they just they clash and it's like this crazy drama and so um i kind of i'm not real into like the whole drama or like hoarders and this kind of stuff like courtney loves it so a lot of times i'll compromise i'm like okay so this is kind of a show i might be able to get into so we start watching it um and we got into i think it's like the third or fourth episode where this one i was like excited about this one because they look like real crazy people like straight up like these these people are like there's something there's something seriously off uh this one guy he he was like getting a lot of attention from all his neighbors because he was wearing this like bright yellow thong he's like this really old guy that he's outside like riding his bike and like everybody's like in the neighborhood in the He's just like in his garage, like, but he brings his bike out to the front of his property.

34:25Justin Andrews:Oh, just so everybody can see his stationary bike. Is that him right there? Yeah. And the thing is, he's like, he's trying to make some kind of statement about like the fact that he should be able to wear little to nothing on his property. He's a pervert. Yeah, it is. It's like, it's very in. Oh, my God. there's this part where like they're filming him and, and he's like, I guess he has an only fans or something. And he has an only fan. Yes. Yes. And it shows everything. And then he's just like sitting there like, I'm like, ah, but anyway, this isn't even the best part of the story. So that's his story.

35:03Justin Andrews:It gets into another kind of similar one with this, this older lady who she's in the backyard. This other neighbor of hers, like is, you know, constantly kind of like they're, they're arguing over the fence and this is where, the fence kind of got into the thing and they're filming each other. They're fighting. She starts filming it and putting it up on YouTube. And, and so this lady gets all mad. This lady obviously wanted attention. She's like a real like sexual freak, like out there, puts it all out there. Like she's like the old money off the older, the older woman. And so anyways, all this is happening.

35:40Justin Andrews:I'm kind of watching this with Courtney. It's like watching a car crash and we, we stopped because we hear the, uh, somebody drives and pulls up to our driveway. And, um, my parents wanted to take, um, Ethan out for like a belated birthday dinner. And so they went and came back and I, I paused the TV. I actually didn't even pause the TV. It was just running. And I opened the door and we're like, Oh, hi mom. And hi dad. and my mom's kind of, you know, turns, walks in, and like immediately on the TV screen, it's like, it's not just like, okay, yeah, it's an old lady, like naked or something, right?

36:21Justin Andrews:Because this is like HBO. It's like naked and like butt cheeks like open. It's like starfish. And like, I'm like, ah. Yeah, and my remote was all the way on the other side of the couch. I jumped and like jump for it. And I'm like, turn off the TV, dude. My mom's like, what are you guys watching? And I'm like, mom, it's a long story. It's you and Courtney? Yes, me and Courtney. And Courtney was like, oh, my gosh, she turned bright red. And I'm just like, we had to actually explain the show. Like, look, we're not watching porn on TV. I'm sorry, mom. It reminded me of being a teenager again. I was like, ah, just panicked.

37:07Justin Andrews:We take the kids out of the house, give you some time alone. exactly exactly i'm like i must be running her head like gosh man these guys are how old was this woman that she was on the stage she's like she had to be like late 60s almost oh is that is that her right there no it's not heard oh gosh uh no she's i mean she's pretty good looking for hbo shows all that yeah i didn't realize that any of it the rest the rest of the show wasn't like that it's just that one part it's just this one part that's hilarious yeah um and and the other guy like kind of ends up joining this like nudist colony and all that and it got all you know it's

37:44Sal Di Stefano:just like this has been ongoing for multiple seasons I see huh I didn't even know this was a thing

37:49Justin Andrews:it's new I

37:50Sal Di Stefano:think it looks like it's on multiple seasons I thought maybe I was reading wrong when you had it up there did you guys keep watching the one that I told you guys about did you ever watch this I just watched a few more

38:00Adam Schafer:episodes of the same season my my youngest loves that show dude we're into it it's so funny it's so good yeah it's pretty we were laughing i was watching my daughter and my niece and my

38:09Sal Di Stefano:my wife yeah i want you guys did you guys get to the the the speakers yet the guest speakers

38:14Adam Schafer:the ones that are teaching them like sexual harass man and that one or was no no there's actually like guests like motivational speakers oh no i didn't get there yeah i haven't got there

38:23Sal Di Stefano:yeah yeah i'm waiting for you guys to get to that because that's because what they do what what they do which which makes another layer to the the show great is obviously all the actors are in on the joke on the guy, right? But then they bring in these motivational speakers and they don't tell the actors what the motivational speakers are going to say or anything like that. So they're staying in character while this motivational speaker is coming in and just saying outlandish stuff. And you can see, because you know, right? You know that's going on, that you were watching the show go and you can see all their faces trying to keep their staying character so this guy doesn't figure out what's going on.

39:01Sal Di Stefano:And so you can see their faces. You know what scene was hilarious,

39:03Adam Schafer:although embarrassing with my daughter and my niece, was the dude, he's like, oh, I found this in my closet. It looks like a water container. He's drinking it. Then he takes it out. It's all blah, blah, blah. It was a sex toy. And while they're doing it, I'm like, I figured out what it was. I'm like, uh-oh. Right away. But then I'm like, if I fast forward it, then I'm going to signal to my daughter and my niece that this is not what this is. So I'm hoping they don't recognize what it is. Did they ask you or did you just keep it moving? Well, Jessica calls it out. Oh, Jessica calls it out. Yeah, because they're like, what is that?

39:37Justin Andrews:That's weird. What is that? I don't understand. Well, they described it right after that, too, on the show. But yeah, it was so good. So gross.

39:44Adam Schafer:I got to tell you guys about, Viore has this, it's called a tech waffle pullover. Tech waffle? Pull up. Dude, it's so nice. It's so comfortable.

39:54Justin Andrews:The pattern of it is kind of waffled out?

39:57Adam Schafer:Yeah, it's like, what is that called? Thermal? You know what I'm talking about, right? Dude, it's nice. quilted kind of it's nice dude it's for me there it is right there i like it um i think i might like it more than the seaside pullover i love there's a there's a strato version and there's

40:12Sal Di Stefano:a hoodie the herdy vision look oh i didn't notice that that's the hoodie is still my favorite

40:17Justin Andrews:hoodie look at that dude it's so comfortable it does look so nice oh i didn't know they had that

40:22Adam Schafer:yeah i like that color i like the seaside pullover i like the seaside line is just i do too but that

40:27Sal Di Stefano:looks lighter though which is i sometimes i don't want to wear the seaside oh that's warm the seaside one is warm yeah yeah it's like super super thick yeah i didn't even know they had that ribbing i

40:36Justin Andrews:hate to say that yeah i wish they would i wish they would hit us off when they when they do

40:40Sal Di Stefano:new drops like this i told you guys when the last time when we did a shoot i was in the store and there was so many things that i ended up picking up because i'm like i didn't even know you guys had this i'm like how do we not get informed when but a lot of stuff man it drops

40:51Adam Schafer:and then it goes who is who's there's someone doing their commercials now that actor what's

40:56Sal Di Stefano:his name he's working with fury now uh they've signed some tom holland tom holland yeah there's

41:01Adam Schafer:He's a Spider-Man. Yeah, they've got him on there.

41:03Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, they've signed some big-name actors, some big athletes. Yeah, they've been making moves for a while now.

41:10Adam Schafer:Dude, I got a conspiracy. It's not even a conspiracy theory. They're actually trying to investigate this. Although the conspiracy theory may be, are they really trying to investigate? Have you heard of all the dead scientists? Yes. Have you heard of this? No, I've heard of missing scientists. Dead. Dead. Many of them are dead.

41:24Justin Andrews:How do they know that?

41:25Adam Schafer:There's missing and dead. Because they found bodies? Someone shot them or this person drowned. Oh, wait. This was connected to what, though?

41:31Justin Andrews:This is connected to like anti-gravity technology. Oh, I did see this.

41:35Sal Di Stefano:I saw this.

41:36Adam Schafer:There's a number of scientists that have been. I think I sent this to Justin actually. Did you? I think I might have sent this to you.

41:41Justin Andrews:I believe it. You sent me a lot of stuff now. It's almost overwhelming.

41:44Sal Di Stefano:I sent Justin stuff all the time now. Too much. I'm like, what have we done now?

41:49Adam Schafer:So there's a growing number of scientists who have died or gone missing under unexplained circumstances. Yeah, I think I did send this to you. And these are scientists that are connected with defense research, gravity science. There was this one female scientist who actually made a video, and she's like, I'm getting death threats. I don't want to kill myself. This is really weird. She was found missing or killed. There's a ton of them, dude.

42:14Justin Andrews:How much weirder can this timeline get, dude?

42:17Adam Schafer:Listen. Okay, there's Amy Eskridge, June 11th, reportedly researching anti-gravity technology. uh technology frank maywald principal researcher at nasa's jet propulsion laboratory monica reza director of materials processing and nasa's jet propulsion laboratory michael david hicks research scientist at nasa's jet propulsion laboratory worked on the dart project in deep space one mission anthony chavez former employee at los alamos national security melissa shirley cassius administrative worker at los alamos national alamos wasn't that bob lazar wasn't

42:51Justin Andrews:Bro, there's more.

42:53Adam Schafer:There's like six more. Yeah. And they all worked on this tech. So now they're like going to probably investigate it and say, like, what is going on to all these scientists that were doing all this research? They're going to investigate it.

43:08Justin Andrews:Just like the Epstein files. Investigate it. We're just going to dump it out to the public.

43:14Sal Di Stefano:Those have cooled off big time, huh? What? The Epstein files? I don't know. Yeah, it's gone. Look at that. No, right? No, I mean.

43:20Justin Andrews:look at all the dead scientists i saw i'm pretty sure i sent this to justin you might have yeah i'm pretty sure you're like an enemy of the state now if you bring it up i'm sure it's like this is

43:28Adam Schafer:like a movie though like it's like did they discover something that note that they don't

43:32Sal Di Stefano:want anybody knowing about hey you know it's crazy okay this this is such a like i was talking i don't know i think this is hype for like talking to my uncle about this stuff and you know what the average person is this there's so much misinformation there's this the the you know the the knee-jerk reaction if i share with someone this yeah but do you know it's true yeah there's just that's they they've won dude by design yeah they won already it's like they already put so much stuff out there like i brought up the epstein stuff and he was just like yeah but do you know if any of that's true and i'm like what do you mean do it it's like on government it's like on a government website you can pull it up and look at all the stuff like yes it's true like are you not reading any of it or do you know anything he's like no just like completely because it's closed yes it's crazy how that like either you uh are aware of all the conspiracy theories that have become true and are now that's how i think people keep their certain belief

44:24Justin Andrews:system intact you know you have to yeah they're just it's it's too too much for them it's it's too contrary to you know what they formed in their head of reality and so they're like i've said this

44:37Adam Schafer:before i think we're in we're going to get to because ai is making content that's like it's almost indistinct like you can't tell almost pretty soon it'll be you definitely can't tell we're going to get to a point where people are going to demand an arbitrator of real or truth like we need a certification where if it has this on it you know it's real and then of course who's going to be

45:00Justin Andrews:that person's going to be honest

45:02Sal Di Stefano:that or we'll all just start to agree to just like who cares I mean just stop

45:07Adam Schafer:I believe what's right in front of me societies can't work that way when everybody doesn't trust anything uh that's like recipe for disaster yeah in large societies true yeah well i mean when i guess if if

45:21Sal Di Stefano:if a majority of people put their faith in man then yeah you're right and that's that's the problem you know but i mean if you see if you believe in the other side which you've brought up the the rise of people seeking out something greater than themselves and a higher power and And I think that that leads to letting go of all this BS man-made narrative. So, I mean, if you have an optimistic view, it goes that way. If you have an optimistic view, it goes in the direction of sooner or later, all this becomes white noise and everybody's just like, it doesn't even matter. If it doesn't impact me and my family, what does all this stuff even matter to get caught up in it?

46:00Adam Schafer:Dude, the data on how much it improves people's mental health when they stop paying attention and everything is incredible. Just stop paying attention.

46:06Justin Andrews:is that funny but don't stop paying attention to the fraud please we're making like strides with that are there what's happening now is there more coming out of california yeah dude of course and and you know it's just funny because you get confronted and all these like lawmakers get confronted by it and they're just like oh like don't want to take any kind of responsibility but it's just like finally at least like why what i don't understand is if you get that kind of impact and you get somebody that's just with a camera this nick shirley kid and he's just documenting it he's just like literally just a youtuber why isn't there more youtubers just like him doing the same thing like we need more of that investigative journalism but nobody else is like nobody our government's obviously going to like spy on themselves bill doug they're trying

46:57Adam Schafer:to pass a bill called the stop nick shirley act yes yes which is absolutely that should piss anybody off let's create an right or left of the people from revealing our fraud so we'll pass that

47:10Justin Andrews:yeah yeah yeah if you look into this like you're the problem yeah let us steal yeah don't stop it you know stop putting cameras on me i want to steal oh my god that's insane i just came across

47:25Sal Di Stefano:him for the first time i didn't know who he was not that long ago i just i he popped up in my feed

47:29Justin Andrews:i was watching some of this stuff smart kid like what are people hearing you know opposing this

47:35Adam Schafer:like i know why would you how would they sell it how would you sell this they have to just attack

47:39Justin Andrews:his character that's like what else do you have he's just an independent journalist what's the

47:44Adam Schafer:bringing this up how do they sell this act why would you want to stop nick shirley what are they saying like how would that well i don't think that's a real name of the bill i think that's a

47:53Justin Andrews:What's the bill? The name that was given to it. I'm trying to get some. It's called AB 2624. And what's it do? It says provide protection through the same tried and tested process. California already offers to domestic violence survivors and select healthcare workers. Hold on.

48:10Adam Schafer:Did you see how they sold that? What? First of all, if you're a domestic violence survivor, you're protected so that you don't get targeted again by the person abusing you. But you see how they package that? We need to give people the same protection. so this is what this is their justification people working in immigrant services are being

48:27Justin Andrews:followed home receiving death threats and having their personal information there's another keyword

48:32Adam Schafer:they threw in immigrant yeah oh lord boy that's slimy wow that is a slimy and it'll sell yeah

48:39Justin Andrews:theft is theft man however you want to spin it you're spinning it yeah dude that's wild that's

48:45Adam Schafer:crazy all right i got i got it or i'll change look at the viore thing popped up in his thing are just from like the talking about it look at that what did you are you searched on you i did search that's right so ads follow you uh so did you guys know that there's a fit bit for farts have you heard of this for farts yeah yeah yeah there's there's there's uh so there's a device that can yeah there's a device a sensing device that will tell you if they're healthy or not yeah oh yeah it'll take it'll take your fart and it'll break it down tell you if you're healthy Order one, Doug. Wow. Yeah. This will be fun.

49:20Adam Schafer:We should do that. We'll have a little comparison here. You know what's crazy? I got to read more about this. Are you going to put this in clothes? That'd be crazy. So it's a wireless sensor. Smart underwear? Yeah. Look up Fitbit for farts. Let's read a little bit about this. Is that what he did? Yeah, smart underwear. It's to track flatulence and analyze gut health. The wearable sensor measures hydrogen. What happens if organic material? Hydrogen and flattus. They don't want to use the word fart. aimed at diagnosing digestive issues and establishing healthy baselines. 32 farts a day are normal, you guys.

49:54Adam Schafer:What is that, like amplitude? We have literally figured out a way.

49:57Sal Di Stefano:We have so many tracking tools now. So crazy. What are we missing now? I didn't even think of that.

50:03Adam Schafer:Did you have your client wear this?

50:04Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. I'm going to need you to get that.

50:06Adam Schafer:You were hitting the double.

50:07Sal Di Stefano:Do not be surprised. Some trainer will, 100%. You've been hitting up Taco Bell, man.

50:11Justin Andrews:Yeah, yeah.

50:12Sal Di Stefano:I know you're lying.

50:13Justin Andrews:Is it the 4th of July over there? What's happening?

50:15Sal Di Stefano:Talk about calling your client out from that. You know what I'm saying? Shoot him a text. I know you're bullshitting.

50:20Adam Schafer:Normal is 32 farts a day. You're at 75. Hey, bubble guts. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're at 75. Your hydrogen levels are way too high. I can see it right here. I could also see dudes competing. Like, hey, put yours on. That's exactly how I'd use it.

50:32Justin Andrews:Why do it for the health reasons? That's dumb. Yeah. Compare numbers. Yeah. Would you eat your stuff?

50:37Sal Di Stefano:I mean, that's why I told Doug to say order one. I mean, that would be it. So does it link to Fitbit?

50:42Justin Andrews:I don't think so, no.

50:44Sal Di Stefano:So are you sure?

50:45Justin Andrews:Well, let me research this a bit more.

50:48Sal Di Stefano:Wait a minute. Because it says Fitbit for farts. I mean. That's just.

50:51Adam Schafer:Yeah, they're just calling it for that. You know what, though? Government's collecting this data, bro. We shouldn't. They're going to use this against us.

50:59Justin Andrews:They don't need to know. Yeah. I don't know if you can even buy it. I mean, depending on.

51:04Sal Di Stefano:It's called Fitbit for farts. And no, it's no joke. You know, if it gave you some really good insight on gut health. And imagine. Okay. Okay.

51:13Adam Schafer:But why do you need something to tell you that? If I'm farting a whole bunch, I don't need something to tell you. My stomach's off. Yeah, but it's doing more than that, it said, right?

51:20Sal Di Stefano:So it's measuring the... The hydrogen, is it? Yeah, yeah. So it's not just how many times you are. That would obviously be... So hydrogen in your fart tells you a lot, apparently.

51:29Adam Schafer:Is hydrogen the thing that smells? No, it's methane, right?

51:32Justin Andrews:I would think of sulfur or something like that. What makes farts smell?

51:35Sal Di Stefano:Okay, imagine this. It's a great search.

51:38Adam Schafer:Sorry, your search is so messed up.

51:40Sal Di Stefano:Imagine you had this data, and then you take a probiotic-like seed, and then you track it before and after and you see a significant improvement. You could do an experiment, yeah. I mean, that would be the only way I could make sense to.

51:53Adam Schafer:It is hydrogen sulfide, so it is, Doug, which causes the rotten egg odor.

51:58Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

51:58Adam Schafer:So if your farts have the rotten egg smell,

52:01Sal Di Stefano:it's high levels of hydrogen.

52:03Adam Schafer:It sums off.

52:03Justin Andrews:Doesn't methane have a smell like that too? I don't think I produce methane, though.

52:08Adam Schafer:Methane might be odorless, actually.

52:10Justin Andrews:Yeah, you might be right. I always thought that was part of it.

52:16Adam Schafer:Again, I don't need a device. If I'm hitting them off and it's like...

52:21Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, but you have a measurable tool. This is, to me, another example of... Okay, so it is a little ridiculous. But I mean, it would be cool to test something like a probiotic and see how much that's improving or not improving.

52:36Justin Andrews:Do you get extra points for a Dutch oven? Hey, babe. Hey, babe.

52:40Adam Schafer:I need to beef up my fart bit. Hey, do you know how long you were able to stay under the covers? All right, Blake. It's good for you. My hydrogen rating was a seven, dude. You did it. It's healthy. You know, speaking of seed, I was just thinking about this. That's the one. You're going to love that ad. Listen. You're going to love that ad. Well, it's for, I mean, gut health, among other things. It's going to a good place. Among other things, it's great for gut health, right? It's the most, by far, it's the one supplement, like, I hate missing. If I'm consistent with it, my gut health is significantly better.

53:11Adam Schafer:that's the thing significantly yeah like i every night every night i take it like it's one time a

53:16Justin Andrews:day right it's not twice at night yeah it's such a difference if you're consistent with it i've done it like sporadically but then when i go in like stints of like a couple weeks and i'm just dialed

53:25Sal Di Stefano:bro it makes such a big difference in my gut health does it go in your in your little supplement baggie or do you keep it somewhere next no i keep it upstairs because i take it before bed because

53:33Adam Schafer:right before bed yeah i take two capsules right before bed it's part of my little sleep you know supplement stack or whatever yeah and i'm like so consistent with it and i notice if i stop taking it for a week or two i can definitely tell makes a big difference yeah i mean it's when you think

53:49Sal Di Stefano:of the companies that we've worked with and we get feedback from people it's one of the ones that you get i get we get a lot of feedback the best the best yeah because it's the top of the line

53:56Adam Schafer:yeah i was having a conversation with my daughter which it's so great like you know when you have you have your kids you start to learn what what kind of communication they respond well to okay so like some kids i'll just you know throw things out there right some kids you have to be more gentle empathetic and other kids you can kind of talk to them in a way that drives them or whatever and um just because i've managed teams lots of sales teams and gyms i really know how to communicate uh in that style like you can do it you're a killer you're strong nothing will stop you like that type of talk you know right and uh my daughter responds so well to it it's such a blessing yeah like when she's struggling with anything yeah that's cool like you know there's the initial like oh i'm sorry honey that really finally one of the kids align with your style i know well we'll see about the little ones we'll see how they align but you know it's like you know i go in oh man that really sucks and whatever yeah and then i know i can go in an hour or two later and just have one of those kind of conversations and it just she's like a machine dude oh yeah dude she's like just like she's like it's like you could tell it it's like something clicks and so it's just you know i have those conversations but i feel so proud as a dad because

55:08Sal Di Stefano:i can hit i still got to figure out what my my son's is i'm not sure what what his is like what will make him want to do something like he's it's got to be on his terms i tell you the other day too he i'm in the i'm in the living room talking to my aunt and uncle and this is just a few days ago and uh we're in there talking and all of a sudden i hear a ping pong table going back and forth And I'm like, it's only us and Katrina and Max in the house. I'm like, who's Katrina hitting the – I peek around the corner. There's Max playing ping pong with Katrina. And I go, like, afterwards. I said, hey, what – she goes, he just came up to me and said, mom, I want to hit – You were trying to look for the secret?

55:45Adam Schafer:How did you convince him? Yes. Yes.

55:48Sal Di Stefano:My son. Yeah. I asked him a million times. His idea. Yeah, exactly. As soon as it's his idea, he's about it and wants to do it. You've tried all kinds of – Oh, I have. Trust me, I've tried. You can't beat me. Yeah, I've tried the competitive. I've tried the like. You're making a treasure hunt. I've tried all kinds of different strategies to get him to do things that I want him to do. And if he does not want to do it, there is no getting him to do it. And then all of a sudden, he'll come around and on his terms decide he wants to. And then I even know, too, that I can't like keep pushing and encouraging.

56:18Sal Di Stefano:Like, hey, let's do it again. I'm over it. Exactly. I just got to leave it alone. Like, okay. You know, when he's done, he's done. And then it's just hope it comes around again. You know what I'm saying? It's so wild, dude. It's so funny. I mean, every time it happens, though, Katrina's like, oh, my God, is this kid yours? You know what I'm saying? She's like, that's your ass. Yeah, that's totally.

56:38Adam Schafer:I told you guys, sometimes my son, my five-year-old, will grab one of our phones, and he'll take selfies and pictures, right? So you'll open your phone and randomly go through your pictures. That's the best. You're like, what is going on, dude? Bro, he took like five pictures himself flexing on Jessica's phone. Dude. Like a picture of him, and then he's going like this. Yeah. He's going like this. He's doing all this. And she's like, do you? Like, yes, save that. He's going to love that. Dude, you know, I'm like, oh, this kid's.

57:03Sal Di Stefano:I have an album dedicated to like all those. He does little videos or movies. So he knows how to record. And so he'll get it. And he'll record like a, he'll set up his toys, like a scene. And this is, and he'll do like the characters. And he's filming it like he's a producer. You know what I'm saying? And then he wants to, after he's done, then he wants to sit down and watch it. Daddy, come here, you want to watch this? I'm like, yeah, let's watch it. It's just so good.

57:27Justin Andrews:dude that's like yeah everett would really got into stop motion and with his friends oh yeah so they'd hang out and they're like setting all this stuff up and then they're outside like

57:36Sal Di Stefano:blowing things up and it was like oh this is the best dude oh did your there was a period i remember this was years ago when we first kind of started mind pump they started to get on a little youtube kick and stuff like that did they stick with it or did they no and i probably was a bit of an

57:51Justin Andrews:influence with that oh really yeah i didn't really i didn't really try and like usher that um energy in that direction because it was just like you don't want him in that space you know like if you have really good videos and ideas and things i was like i i was encouraging him to do it but not to post it yeah like like we saved it and we like banked it and then the momentum kind of like dissipated yeah towards it but um everett like it's interesting because he really likes to entertain and he he likes to be um he likes podcasts and he likes to have deep conversations and all that kind of stuff so he he started to kind of record some with his friends oh no way yeah and he's just kind of saving them and banking them and i'm like i've listened to a couple and it's like it's it's great and he he interviewed me one time yeah uh that was for like a school project right yeah for a school project and he he asked me all these really cool questions like it's so it was it was really fun i i don't know i think there's something that might be there down the road but like i was just like just keep just keep at it but we're not like posting it

58:58Sal Di Stefano:who's he who's he most likely to replace the three of us me for sure me yeah yeah he's funny he's

59:07Justin Andrews:funnier than me oh really smarter than me look out look out dude he's i mean he's like beyond 4.0 He actually is doing high school level math next year. He's going to be in eighth grade. Good for him. Yeah, and it's like he's got the whole engineering brain, but he still has kind of my personality, so it's weird.

59:27Sal Di Stefano:What's so funny, because I remember when he was younger, you were worried about that. He wasn't going to be that one.

59:31Justin Andrews:Because I was like, oh, he's so much like me. I'm like, he's going to struggle. He barely even studies. You know what it was? He's just like Courtney.

59:37Adam Schafer:He was not stimulating. He was probably bored. He was probably hella bored in class. when you're really smart yeah sit there you're like oh yeah this sucks probably yeah he did he's yeah i'm not worried about him at all he's really what a dream imagine if our kids like ended up taking over what a dream i would love that that'd be classic that'd be so awesome yeah oh god it'd

59:59Sal Di Stefano:be funny it would be it would be hilarious but it'd be awesome i mean obviously i have one so it'd be my son your daughter probably yeah and then probably everett yeah i think everett would

1:00:08Justin Andrews:be the one ethan doesn't really show as much interest in that although he does like the whole you know being social and and you know like hanging out and chatting i don't know aurelius

1:00:21Adam Schafer:says he wants to work at mind pump so he says it all the time yeah but he's five so you know five year olds always want to do what dad does yeah so we'll see dude i tell you guys that that uh you know we don't spank we don't spank yeah yeah but jessica tried it the other day oh she did she did because i told you guys my game in a whirl huh because my three-year-old just is just well

1:00:41Sal Di Stefano:we talked about this i told you she reminds me so much of my goddaughter and my my buddies is like dude we have to and she told me we don't have a choice she's like the thread of the wooden spoon

1:00:49Adam Schafer:they never use it but it's there well she texted me she's like i you know i did it she's like i wasn't mad i made sure to show i wasn't angry i made it very you know calculated and she's like and it worked and i told her i said look i said and i'll tell you what my daughter said my three-year-old said but i said you know i grew up in a spanking household okay and i had uh younger siblings and my sister and my brother especially my brother was just a terror and spanking works until it's not novel anymore this is just true at some point kids will give don't care they don't care anymore and it's just not a novel thing and the reason why i worked on my three-year-old in my opinion is because it's never happened before so kind of snapped her out of it you think i don't think

1:01:27Sal Di Stefano:it's a novel thing as much as an age thing i think you get to a certain age when it doesn't hurt anymore then it's like you're kind of it doesn't i remember getting spanked and being able to turn around and just look at my mom yeah like that's that's what it doesn't work up to that point it fucking worked and it was yeah but there's it was no longer novel after year five

1:01:44Adam Schafer:between spanking and like you're trying to like really instill you know what i mean uh and so anyway i just don't think it'll work if she if she keeps and i think she's gonna do it i think

1:01:53Sal Di Stefano:the way jordan peterson explains it is is how i've always kind of it's a it's a pattern interrupt yeah right and so if there if you have a daughter or a child that is just you know fixated on mine or this or what and it's hard to interrupt that and you can't interrupt it with anything else like it interrupts that and and that's really what it's more about than it is she told jessica

1:02:13Adam Schafer:well now knowing it's a threat she told jessica afterwards she goes real mom she goes mama i don't want to get spanked again so jessica's like oh no she's like why she's like i don't want to ruin my clothes so she's like what she thought she was like it hurt hurt my feeling you know i don't want to ruin my clothes you know she walks away well you'll have to keep us posted

1:02:36Sal Di Stefano:how it how it unfolds because i know i do know that uh that i have seen the difference right and i really do think it's it's kid dependent right i mean i'm the guy who said i'm pro spanking i've never spanked my kid so it just doesn't he doesn't call for it like i don't have but i could totally understand if he was like that where like i had to i see my godson i see my goddaughter uh you know i hear you talking and i'm like yeah i could see where that could happen where it's just like they're just super disobedient and not listening that you you shake them up a bit like that where yeah and i think that like you don't have to do it very like that's the thing it might

1:03:11Justin Andrews:be just that one time you never know you know what i mean like it's i think it's just knowing that it exists as like you get to a certain tipping point like of intensity and it's like a super defiance you know it's like and you say this and they're like oh yeah i actually think

1:03:26Adam Schafer:the threat of physical uh like that physical kind of threat i think it becomes more important uh in particular for uh teenage boys and their dads that's a truth i think a teenage boy if he's really you know i've heard stories i've never you know i've heard stories of i've had friends with teenage kids where their sons are just like dude what are you doing bro you disrespect your mom like that or you're you're using your physicality to impose yourself and i could see how dad is going to have to be like i'm the big dog in the house let me show you yeah let me grab you let me hold you down and show you so i could see that that value right there but that's because you're dealing with a teenage boy teenage boy i wonder if that's more damage yeah but i wonder if that's more or less

1:04:07Sal Di Stefano:likely to happen to the dad that that didn't set that that set that groundwork earlier but then

1:04:11Justin Andrews:it's like the elephant right that gets chained uh and you put a stake in you know what you mean you know what i mean like it's it's if i was to wait till they're a teenager to now like have a physical like then it would be like ugly that's right that's what i'm saying my point is

1:04:26Sal Di Stefano:the dad who who laid that foundation early like you don't test it yeah no i i'm saying i think i

1:04:32Adam Schafer:think you definitely dad has to sometimes show that he's he's gonna get louder show that he's strong uh so not come out of nowhere yeah i'm thinking of an extreme example i'm not really arguing like i had a friend of mine told me that he's like you know you know he's a he's a he's a very consistent father loving dad but also very consistent and he's like i never had to spank my kids um we were very consistent he goes i've had to raise my voice a few times they know that i'm in charge he goes but my teenage son he came home from a party and he was so uh disrespectful to my wife and i don't remember what he said he called her something like really bad and he goes and i grabbed him and i pushed him up against the wall yeah i said you never talk to my wife that way

1:05:13Justin Andrews:and he goes in it it definitely makes a big imprint yeah right there yeah yeah what i remember

1:05:17Sal Di Stefano:sky donnelly shared a really good story about uh that what did he do i don't remember remember that's what and then he made he made uh his son i don't know if it was him or he he coached somebody up on this i can't remember if it was him or he coached somebody he told him to take his mom to

1:05:31Justin Andrews:to lunch yeah that he needed to repair that relationship i love that yeah so did i and

1:05:36Sal Di Stefano:like that's like yeah shook him up big time like that and it wasn't like a grounding spanking physically it was a this is what you will go do you know i'm saying like damage now you have to go repair yeah yeah that was i thought that was really cool yeah you know and put it on him to to do that and i think just that after a situation like that with his his mother and i'm as i can imagine too you're as this kid you're that's a you just got in a big argument or fight with your mom to have to take her out to dinner later on that night or the next day. It's just like awkward. But so much maturity is required in order to do that.

1:06:10Sal Di Stefano:And so you can see the value.

1:06:11Adam Schafer:In my house, my mom was the spanker. My dad rarely ever did anything like that. But he was very intimidating. He'd get loud. And he'd hit the table or something like that to show us he's upset. But one time, one time, I was a teenage boy. And I called my mom stupid. and I didn't know he was around the corner. And that's when he grabbed me and he put me down on the ground and held me there and I could feel his strength. And I remember being like, oh, I better not do that ever again. I think I was like 14 years old feeling my britches, you know? I made an error. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1:06:45Sal Di Stefano:That's what I mean. Again, there's times that it's such a controversial topic, right? Totally. Because people feel so strongly about one way or the other. But I mean, I think it's really child dependent. It really is.

1:06:56Adam Schafer:You know what the data shows on that? that kids who are raised in a loving house with no discipline don't do very well. In a house with discipline with no love do the worst. Yeah. And a house with both discipline. Discipline would be like structure, structure, discipline, boundaries. And love do the best. So discipline, structure, love, the best. If it's just love, they don't do too good. If it's just discipline, this is when you raise psychopaths. Yes. And really bad kids.

1:07:25Justin Andrews:It's an authoritarian tyrannical environment.

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1:08:04Adam Schafer:Go to zbiotics.com. That's Z-B-I-O-T-I-C-S.com forward slash MindPump26. Use the code MindPump26. Get 15 % off. Back to the show. How much time and effort should be put into stretching before and after a workout? What warmups and cool downs do you recommend? This is a really, really good question. and it's actually quite nuanced. So first off, priming is what you want to do before your workout and what priming is attempting to do is to get you to move better with the exercises you're about to perform. So a good example is if I am about to bench press but I find that my shoulders roll forward, okay, so it's hard for me to keep my shoulders pinned down and back which would be the correct technique for bench press and I just find that my shoulders want to roll forward, I want to kind of cave them especially towards the end of my set, then what I'm going to do is priming movements that help me activate and connect to the muscles that pull my shoulder blades down and back.

1:09:02Adam Schafer:Another good example is if I squat, my knee wants to travel in and it's hard for me to keep them really aligned with my feet, then I'm going to do some correctional exercise or priming to activate the muscles that stabilize that position so that when I squat, I'm in a better position. so that's the idea now the reason why this is so nuanced is the more advanced you are um and the better you are with the workouts the less of this you require somebody who's really advanced can do a set of the exercise they're about to do with lighter weight and do perfect priming they can get in the groove pretty quickly very quickly like they know what to feel they know what to activate they know like i know my first set of bench press uh because i have you know one part of my body where i don't have terrible mobility is my shoulders i actually have pretty good shoulder mobility.

1:09:49Adam Schafer:So when I bench press, I could do a couple warmup sets or maybe one. And I know I'm really focusing on that downward, you know, retraction of the scapula. I'm really focused. And I can do that with lightweight and boom, that's my priming session. I don't need to do anything else.

1:10:04Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, I would, I would agree except for I, I still prime. So like, even though I can get into a bench press, know the technique of that, I still benefit when I do W's before. I just, I feel it every time. It's so different. And I feel so much safer and more confident to get after the weight. I mean, shame was -

1:10:25Adam Schafer:What about back exercise? Do you find yourself having like rows? You don't have to roam up. No. You just do a set of rows.

1:10:29Sal Di Stefano:No, I can get right into it. If I go do a row, a lap pull down, a seated row, I don't got to prime it. Like a set of warm up. Yeah. Anything pushing. So if I do shoulder press, I do bench press. If I squat, I've got to prime before. Squatting for sure. I don't have to. I could go in and just do it, but I can feel a huge difference. In fact, the other day I squatted and I didn't prime. And I must have had to do three warm-up sets before I felt like I could really – and it's just like I could have just spent that same time priming. Because my thought process was like, oh, I want to get into it. I'll just take my time light and I'll warm up a set or so.

1:11:05Sal Di Stefano:I actually found myself having to do three sets with rest periods in between just to – I was like I could have sat down and primed for five minutes and actually got right into it.

1:11:12Adam Schafer:That's a good point too. Like you've got to know yourself. Like for me, uh, pushing, pulling, even deadlifting, deadlifting, I'll warm up with the deadlift. If I'm squatting, I'm priming. Oh yeah. Like I got a prime before I squat. And so everybody's a little bit different. Yeah. I mean, this is.

1:11:27Justin Andrews:Yeah. Well, I was going to say too, there's different versions. I'll, I'll apply. So like if, if I'm like more in a power phase, like for instance, or I'm doing something like explosive, very explosive with acceleration, I'm going to do a lot more dynamic warmup. It's going to take a really long time, too. I'm going to allot like 15 minutes sometimes, you know, my warm-up for that versus like, you know, if I'm just getting into a regular workout, like I'll do just basic priming movements, like some mobility, not too long. But then, too, if I'm trying to like really, you know, get some intensity, I'm going to do some isometrics and like hold these positions, like irradiate and, you know, really try to recruit, then go to the bar.

1:12:11Justin Andrews:and I feel a major difference.

1:12:13Sal Di Stefano:I mean, shameless plug on our program here, Maps Prime, but this is one of the - Prime will figure it out for you. This is why it's still to this day one of the programs I'm most proud of that we created. Totally. Because this is so nuanced and individualized. Totally. And I'm such a strong believer in stretching with purpose. The way we were taught in school as kids to stretch and real basic funding -

1:12:37Adam Schafer:It actually can cause injury. Yeah, it's such a waste of time

1:12:39Sal Di Stefano:to do these silly, silly, you know, moves that we all, you know, we all did before we started, started, you know, started our workout with that. Yeah. It was just a bunch of bullshit. It really was. And it's like, it really depends on the person, depends on the movement you're doing. It depends on what you're, and this is what prime is about is it's about helping somebody do this themselves, take a test at home and individualize what is ideally the stuff you

1:13:06Justin Andrews:should be doing a good priming session will make you stronger oh yeah you actually lift more weight i feel like it's like a 10 increase yep yeah um we didn't address the cooldowns but the cooldowns is something i like to do just to reinforce certain positions i felt unstable yeah which i spent some time actual static stretching i tend in foam rolling i tend to actually bring more to

1:13:26Sal Di Stefano:the cool that's when you would do that that's it that's the i think of cooldowns of static stretching yeah yeah yeah holding holding poses and relaxing and trying to calm calm down where it's the opposite when we're getting ready. We're trying to do something that's a little more like an active stretch.

1:13:42Justin Andrews:Next question is from Paul Godfrey, 83. What would you suggest for females program-wise after giving birth once they are cleared to work out again? What would that year look like? I've heard you say starter, but what would be the programs after that?

1:13:58Adam Schafer:Honestly, most women, now there's going to be some differences depending on your current fitness level or fitness level before pregnancy, how easy the, the, the pregnancy was or hard it was the delivery. Was it a C-section or not? So there's a lot of, uh, variables here, but for most women, a starter run once or twice is ideal. Uh, the second time around, you just add load. Now, some women are gonna be like, that's too little, but you're going to make great progress with it. Um, otherwise it looks like starter and then maps anabolic and you start in pre-phase. You do three, four weeks of pre-phase, then you move into the rest of the program.

1:14:35Adam Schafer:But the reason why I said starter twice through is because oftentimes, yeah, three months later, four months later, you're still not getting a great sleep. You're still dealing with some muscle connection issues. And so for many women, starter run twice in a row would be the way to go. Do you guys remember what I did with Katrina? Yeah, I think you did.

1:14:54Sal Di Stefano:I know you did starter first. And then you know what I did after that? What was it? I did anabolic in reverse.

1:14:59Adam Schafer:Yeah, you did the higher reps. Yeah, and so the logic behind that of why I did that. Well, see, pre-phase would do something like that.

1:15:05Sal Di Stefano:So the idea was she'd felt great after a starter, and she was ready to really get after it. And I was like, you know, you're doing great. Why don't we get an anabolic? I want to start you in phase three. The reason why I want to start in phase three was because of the higher reps and keep her at a lower weight, so she'd put her at a lower risk.

1:15:22Justin Andrews:Yeah.

1:15:22Sal Di Stefano:Right? And that way another two more months before she – Now she's five months heading into the sixth month post-pregnancy and really feeling good. And had been training weights for almost six months now, now we're finally loading the bar and getting after it. Now, granted, remember, she went into pregnancy in really good shape and strong, training the whole way through. And so that's the recommendation. To your point, I could see a client cycling starter for almost a year. depending on how post-pregnant and depending on how fit they went into pregnancy so it really is dependent on the feedback from my client you you can't really go wrong just continue because you could cycle starter and i guarantee the first two times you do it you'll be progressing weight yep so it's how you're going to plateau and not really so you can you'll be getting stronger yeah yeah you could run starter two or three times and keep just progressing that if you're feeling good and you're more concerned about, I don't want to push it too fast, that's the recommendation.

1:16:28Sal Di Stefano:If you're the other person who's like, I'm ready to go early, which was Katrina. Katrina was ready to go right back into aesthetic like after four weeks. And I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa. We're going to run starter. And I made her go through starter all the way. And then I also made her go reverse on anabolic. And then she was great. So it really depends on the person.

1:16:45Justin Andrews:Next question is from Janie Ewell. What is the best way to bulletproof your knees? I had ACL surgery two years ago, and they still aren't the same. I squat and deadlift heavy. So besides those exercises, what would help with knee pain? This has less to do with your knees. Hips and ankles.

1:17:02Adam Schafer:So this has less to do with your knees. Your knees are fully healed. It has more to do with your ankle strength and mobility, and your hip strength and mobility. So when you look at the joints, so the knee basically flexes and extends. It really doesn't rotate. It doesn't bend laterally. doesn't hyperextend. It flexes and extends. The ankle has rotation and it, it bends laterally. It flexes and extends. The foot itself has got some movement. The hips are also very mobile. So the knee, whatever the hips and ankles can't do, the ligaments of the knee try to keep everything in place. So what usually this looks like is lateral strength in the hips, uh external internal rotation of the hips and then ankle strength and mobility and foot strength and if you work on those the knees are going to feel amazing yeah but this is a neat this is not

1:17:55Justin Andrews:a neat well and also too like unilateral work and and definitely lateral and um different different planes of motion to address for strengthening as opposed to just these kind of fixed positions um obviously you want to build up overall strength and foundation but just to reinforce that so it's tracking well. So the thing is we want the needs to be balanced. So everything is tracking well, so it can hinge properly.

1:18:20Adam Schafer:Yeah. You know, map symmetry would be just a kind of nice catch-all program for this person. For sure. And that should help a cycle of that, make you feel a lot better.

1:18:29Justin Andrews:Next question is from Matt Fit Realtor. How can I become one of your personal trainers?

1:18:35Adam Schafer:Yeah. Well, I'll tell you, we'll start talking about what it takes to be a process. There's a process. Now, experience is great. Education is great, but we're looking for character. And we're not necessarily looking to hire trainers, looking to make trainers. Working here, this is a big deal for us because we were trainers for years and we didn't start offering coaching and personal training up until less than two years ago. So consider Mind Pump's been on air for 11 years. We've been at the top in terms of fitness podcasts for almost that entire time. Personal training and coaching was always a business we can go into, but we waited, waited, waited, waited, because it's like, look, if we're going to do this, we have to offer the best because these people represent, these trainers represent us and we were trainers.

1:19:24Adam Schafer:And so we have, so now we have the time and energy. We have people on staff. We have a great fitness manager that trains and develops our trainers. And I'll tell you what, the training that these trainers go through, I'm so jealous. Like the stuff that I see them get to learn and what they get to do and train just on the job is incredible.

1:19:41Justin Andrews:It's like an incubator here.

1:19:42Adam Schafer:But to work here, typically what it looks like is you apply, you get an interview, and then you get to intern. And the intern process is your trial. And then we see if it's a good fit to work here.

1:19:55Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, mindpumpjobs.com. And you'll end up most likely interviewing with Kyle and Katrina. And then if you make it past that, then you get your internship here.

1:20:07Adam Schafer:I'll tell you this. If you apply and you don't have our course, not saying we won't hire you, but that's kind of a knock. If you're like, I want to work here so bad, I'll do anything.

1:20:18Sal Di Stefano:But you haven't been to the course.

1:20:18Adam Schafer:But you haven't gone through our course. It's a nationally recognized course.

1:20:23Sal Di Stefano:That also teaches our training philosophy. That teaches our philosophy.

1:20:26Adam Schafer:If you haven't done that, it's a knock. What does it mean? We won't hire you, but it's definitely a knock if we look you up and we're like, oh, they don't have our course.

1:20:35Sal Di Stefano:So, yeah, maybe start with that.

1:20:37Adam Schafer:That's right. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. It's Mind Pump Media. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump.

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