2863: The Top 10 Healthiest States In America

9:48Sal Di Stefano:Wouldn't you agree then that this just highlights, and we talk about this a lot, just this low-level stress that we all have a lot? And that's, of all the states, that's probably the most consistent. I don't know anybody who's ever talked about Hawaii being a stressful area. No, no. No, that's where you want to go get away. Even Honolulu.

10:06Adam Schafer:Yeah, I was going to say, even their busy place.

10:07Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, that's like San Francisco on the beach. That's their city. It still has got chill vibes. Chill. Yeah.

10:13Adam Schafer:They also have a culture of family in Hawaii. So locals are very family oriented. My friend Ryan, I don't know if you knew Ryan Junk. He was from Hawaii and he would talk about this all the time. I had other friends that were from Hawaii who did jujitsu and they would talk about this all the time. That there was just like this, especially the locals. Very tight knit. Yeah, tight knit, kind of family oriented. And you see this in the data. When people have good, strong connections to their community and family, they just live longer. They just do better. like some of the states with the highest suicide rates are also the ones where people tend to be the most isolated and sometimes it's a distance thing or a location thing like i think wyoming if i'm not mistaken has a really high suicide rate washington's the highest isn't it doug no look up highest suicide rate i think so washington because the rain yeah washington is the highest look at what's the ten states uh with uh top 10 states suicide rates yeah washington's up there but um family culture weather access to uh fruits vegetables and healthy in like i mean i think the

11:16Sal Di Stefano:family and the stressing are the two big big ones yeah i mean really i mean because you have everywhere it doesn't have the best diet so even people eating off the rails a little bit everywhere you go like i'm sure body fat percentage is high there like everywhere else but that just community walking sunshine those things have to be oh look at this top states oh alaska i forgot alaska is higher than scroll down it goes alaska it goes alaska montana wyoming oh wow new mexico didn't

11:43Adam Schafer:even make it yeah those are all the okay you want to know what's the super sparse populated states you know what's crazy about this is that scroll down a little more utah is number six for suicide

11:55Justin Andrews:rate they're also number nine for longevity huh that's wild that is weird that they made it in

12:01Sal Di Stefano:both yes do they count suicides wow i would not have guessed idaho and utah on that on the top six that's or colorado yeah yeah i i'm not familiar with the states too much what i what

12:15Adam Schafer:i kind of know from about utah because i have family i have a cousin um who's got family over there is that utah's kind of like california in the sense that you know in california is like you're like you're in one area and it looks like everybody's doing well you go to another area and you're like, what is going on? Are we on another planet? I think Utah is kind of like that too, where there's like a high drug rate in certain areas. Oh, yeah. And in other areas.

12:38Justin Andrews:Sort of concentrated in certain areas.

12:40Adam Schafer:Yeah, yeah. But just by talking about this. I definitely would have thought of it. I know. It's all the potatoes. Just kidding. I think the thing to take away from this is daily activity. I think what you'll find in a lot of these states is people are relatively active for the most part, either because the culture of the state encourages it or because of the way the cities are designed. It tends to encourage. In fact, big cities where it's inconvenient to drive tend to have better health, even though their air quality is so bad.

13:14Sal Di Stefano:I didn't even think California is the only one that has a blue zone of all the ones you named.

13:21Adam Schafer:Loma Linda? Loma Linda. That's the Seventh-day Adventists. Yeah, but it's still in California. Yeah, it is. So that would boost California's numbers. I don't know how many people are in there to make that big. California is such a big state. I don't know how much of a skew that's going to be.

13:34Sal Di Stefano:Well, there was no other ones, were there?

13:37Adam Schafer:I think Loma Linda is the only blue zone in America, if I'm not mistaken. I think you're right. Yeah. But those are the Seventh-day Adventists.

13:45Justin Andrews:I feel like San Diego makes up for most of it because L.A. isn't doing too well right now. No, no. Like health-wise. No, no.

13:52Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, you would think L.A. and San Francisco would bring the numbers way down. Yeah, bring it down quite a bit. You would think they would. Yeah. but I mean although San Francisco probably counters because it's a it's a walking city so there's a lot of walking going on that probably counters

14:02Adam Schafer:so that's a great point I have family that lived in San Francisco back and forth and they're like dude it's so crazy how easy it was for me to stay kind of fit and I didn't go to the

14:12Sal Di Stefano:you actually don't see so when you walk San Francisco I was just there last weekend when you walk the streets and you go I just went to a big like play thing and there was lots of people you actually don't see a lot of obesity no you don't not like you see you're not walking up just a lot of poop the things just needles stuff like that but i mean no really you don't you don't you're uh in fact uh i would say i'd see a smaller percentage of obesity walking san francisco than i did now there's a bit of a bias there right so people the people that are probably obese they're probably

14:44Adam Schafer:not walking the streets no you know no and i you know this at one point i was really interesting interested in this kind of data. And we have this idea with longevity that workouts, scheduled workouts are what is best for longevity. It's actually not. Now scheduled workouts are good. So I'm not saying they're bad. And certain workouts have a more of a protective effect in relation to the time that you spend doing them. Like strength training is one of those things. you don't need to spend a lot of time strength training to receive a longevity protective effect from it everything from insulin sensitivity mitochondrial health uh you know a little bit of a metabolic boost which helps uh with you know excess calorie consumption strength which helps with mobility and you don't need to do a lot of it like the average person did a couple days a week literally in uh doing strength training the protective effect that you get from just a couple hours a week outweighs any other kind of workout you would do for the same amount of time that being said if you want to move for longevity uh it's daily it's daily and it's throughout the day yeah so it's not like uh yeah i do a couple workouts a week uh or i work out once in the morning and then the rest of the day i do nothing which is what it looks like for fit people fit people who are fitness minded oftentimes what it looks like for them is they do one workout most days but then the rest of the day they're they're sitting such a such a great conversation

16:13Sal Di Stefano:and probably would ruffle some feathers that there's some arguments to be made that some of the most impressive physiques that we might see are not the most healthiest in terms of longevity when you compare to some of these people.

16:27Justin Andrews:The health markers might not be what you think.

16:29Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, no, like you're saying. I mean, you might train at the gym five days a week for an hour, hardcore, but then you sit all day long. And you're good about measuring your macros. and so way better than nothing oh yeah yeah but again not protective but it's not but i mean we would look at somebody maybe who you know walks 15 20 000 steps every single day gardens every day the longest maybe once a week they live some way so they do a lot of body calisthenic type stuff you might look at that body and go like come on they're not that but they are arguably healthier in terms of longevity especially if he's outdoor gardening walking doing stuff like that i will

17:10Adam Schafer:never this was such a paradigm just just crushing moment for me as a i was 19 went to sicily to visit uh to be with my family my my dad's side and my mom's side too she's got some family there and i remember we went to visit one of my either one of my cousins or my aunts i don't know her very well but she was she was like i think she was 80 she was almost 80 or she was 80 and we went to visit her and she lived in this really old town in sicily okay and when i say old town it's like the roads were made for horses. So there were roads you can't drive through or some of them in the tiny car that we had, you'd fold the rear viewing windows to the sides because you're going to drive by and people, if they're outside, had to go inside or stand up against the wall to let you through.

17:55Adam Schafer:So this is what the roads look like and there were roads you couldn't go through. So we get to it, we park at the bottom of this hill. We walk up this old cobblestone road and I mean, I'm 19 years old, like I work out or whatever And I'm like huffing. I'm like, oh my God, where does she live? We walk all the way up. Then we get to the bottom, to the door. She buzzes us in. We open the door. And then we go up like three flights of stairs. And then we're where she lived in this tiny little apartment by herself, a widow. And she was like so functional, could do whatever. And I remember I'm looking at her.

18:28Adam Schafer:I'm like, how does she live alone? Who brings her groceries? Like, how does this work? And so we left. I was talking to my dad about it. And I'm like, Bob, how does she live here? He's like, what do you mean? I'm like, well, how does she do everything? She does it herself. She walks down the flight of stairs and goes down this hill and comes up this hill every single day. He goes, she does it probably twice a day, every day. This is where she goes to the market. She gets her food. She goes down. She goes down to meet with her friends at the piazza every single day, a couple days a week.

18:58Justin Andrews:Don't even think about it, yeah.

18:59Adam Schafer:This is just what she does. This is what she does, yeah. There's no elevator. That's the thing. you know and she was like 80 and so uh you know for people listening you don't live in a situation if you don't probably live in a city if you're listening in a modern uh like like America in particular uh where this is just party life and so if you want longevity it's like I guess Europe

19:18Justin Andrews:has it all kind of still structured like that yeah yeah yeah they get that a lot yeah well I

19:22Adam Schafer:think one of the things you do is just you gotta it just sounds stupid but it's super this is what the data shows do a lot of little walks all day long yeah so simple so basic but you throw a little bit of strength training and you've got you've got it covered well i mean this is what's reframed

19:38Sal Di Stefano:the way that i look at even chores and stuff around my house um i know if you've been listening to the podcast it makes it more enjoyable right yeah i mean there was there came there was a time where we've talked about this if you go far enough back or you know i made a big argument for you know outsourcing that to buy more time with family and stuff like that and there's a part of that i can get behind for sure because i still utilize that to an extent but not so much now where i go like you know what though like this is a big part of me staying active and like so i look at it completely different now it's just like i need to do this activity for my health and longevity it's like i outsource all that activity then i become more sedentary if i'm more sedentary then I don't live long enough.

20:21Sal Di Stefano:And if I'm claiming that it's for this time with my family and stuff like that, what good am I if I'm unhealthy and not living long? And so it's like, okay, there is a balance of -

20:29Adam Schafer:It also makes it more valuable, which makes it probably more enjoyable.

20:33Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, totally.

20:33Adam Schafer:Because I'm not just doing this because I need to clean the house. I'm also doing this because it's good for me.

20:37Justin Andrews:Yes, yeah.

20:38Adam Schafer:And it makes you more present. It reframes it for sure. It's funny.

20:40Justin Andrews:I've been slowly affected by Courtney's passion for gardening. I've been avoiding it because it's like, it's gardening. It's not that exciting to talk about. it's for old people you can't but you know like yeah but now i'm like i keep getting drawn in and like it's just explaining the process and like all these different uh well there's a show on netflix now it's funny with zach alfanakis and it's only like they're like 15 minute like shorts but it just he's kind of like in a kind of a really funny way educating using kids and stuff to to kind of describe like the process but like going to farms and kind of like explain their process and showing he's like the future is egalitarian and he's like trying to show these like things you can do uh to to be self-sustainable and like all the stuff and it's really interesting and that was like on the nose was like the whole apple like tasty apples you can't get tasty apples without really grafting one to the to the other plant otherwise you'll never get like a good tasty apple it's like always going to be kind of bitter i don't know that you know as we're as we're

21:45Sal Di Stefano:talking about this too oh that's why like fresh apples are typically like kind of a sour taste Is that why? Because you have to crossbreed them in order to get that flavor. You have to crossbreed them, yeah, for them to be tasty.

21:55Justin Andrews:Oh, interesting. Yeah, I was like, with all of them? And they're like, yeah, all of them.

21:58Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, we had apple trees at one of my houses when I was a kid. And I remember how sour they were in comparison to the grocery store apples. I never really actually thought about that or knew why. But I tripped out.

22:09Justin Andrews:Because, yeah, and they're describing the tomatoes and, like, oh, my God, they taste so. And I've experienced that. And that's what started to pull me in was because I talked to you guys. like the carrots, like they taste completely different. The tomatoes taste like nothing I've ever had. Totally different. It's just like, yeah, you're not going to get that unless you literally cultivate it. That's awesome.

22:29Adam Schafer:Yeah. As we're talking too, I'm thinking to myself, the other downstream effects of living in a town like the one I described, she did live alone, but just the simple act of going and walking through the town and walking to the store and she's not alone.

22:46Justin Andrews:Yeah.

22:46Adam Schafer:She's got community.

22:47Justin Andrews:she sees people every single day yeah she people say hide her all the way down yeah so so like i

22:53Adam Schafer:make it a point um when i'm at home with the kids that i always try to do activities with them that require that i take them on a long walk to get there because that's for me the long walks for me put them in a stroller i have one of those double strollers with the like jogging strollers yeah and i'll put them in there and i'll just okay we're gonna go to this place or we're gonna go to the store and i make sure it's i try to pick like long walks and almost every time i see people and we say hi to each other well you just surround people rather than like being just by yourself the whole time so that's got to be another another plus do you think that makes a comeback

23:27Justin Andrews:i think it's starting to shift in that direction it does so i mean again i'm always like i question

23:33Sal Di Stefano:like our our bubble yeah i know you know because we talk about hope for it but yeah it's a priority for us and something you're trying to foster so it's like hey it feels like it's making a comeback is it though like i'm because we're obviously we're moving more disconnected and more digital

23:45Adam Schafer:and all this i was just talking to a guy yesterday yeah uh he's uh in his 30s and uh i was talking about uh dating and i asked him about dating apps and he's like no i'm sick of them i'm like why he's like it's not real he's like you're you're putting up this like this is who you know and then this other person you're picking out like you're going through creating an identity that's like and i've I've heard more and more people say that about the dating apps, that they're just like done with them because of that whole process.

24:11Sal Di Stefano:It's crazy that we all missed that. Yeah. Thank God. I mean, yeah, but it needs to be able to nice, be able to talk about it from experience. I was on eHarmony once. I have no experience with it at all. Zero. Don't know what it's like to make a profile, swipe right.

24:25Justin Andrews:You guys never did that one time? Never. I did it one time. You did? Yeah. I didn't know that. eHarmony. One date. No way. How do you not?

24:33Sal Di Stefano:God, this guy. Fucking, we've known each other 20 years. It never came up.

24:37Adam Schafer:How's it going to come up? I'm going to randomly ask you?

24:40Sal Di Stefano:What else do we ask this guy? We've talked about dating apps a thousand times. There was plenty of opportunity for you to share a story where you go, by the way, guys. We have to think of every question to ask this guy, bro. Yeah. Have you killed anyone? Have you ever been stabbed by a cracker? Have you ever killed anyone who had to ask that?

24:56Justin Andrews:I'll have to think about that. So what happened? Yeah, no. So this was obviously before you were with me. Yeah, it was before I was married. It was a weird confession. she's gonna look at you later.

25:06Sal Di Stefano:It was last year. It's really awkward. No, it was actually late.

25:10Justin Andrews:The irony of it was kind of funny because, well, I'll get to that. So yeah, I was at my parents. I was living at my parents and I was still working at 24 Hour Fitness. Okay, so this is when you worked for me? Yeah, so I was commuting to work. At Santa Teresa or Hillsdale?

25:24Sal Di Stefano:How early is it? Hillsdale. Oh, this is early, early.

25:26Justin Andrews:Yeah, this is early. Actually, no, I take that back because I met Courtney at San Teresa. So yeah, it was San Teresa. But I hadn't moved yet. And so I was like kind of in limbo. And my parents at that point were trying to like set me up with people. And like, you know, my, the one best friend I had growing up, you know, like their parents and my parents like have always tried to like, you know, connect us. And I was like, no, I, she was like a sister to me, you know? And, and, you know, and it, it sucked. Cause it was like, she was like into me and it got weird. I'm like, no, I gotta, I just gotta do this myself.

26:00Justin Andrews:You know? And like, I gotta get out there. And so it was like dial-up. Back then, I think it was really slow internet. So it was like the very inception of the whole - Early days. Yeah, very early days of it. And you fill out this long form. Dude, like forever. They tried to make it different in that they wanted to get to all your core values, like your morals, blah, blah, blah, all that kind of stuff. Was your profile pick? What was your profile pick? I just picked the hush check.

26:27Sal Di Stefano:No, what was your profile pick? What did you use? And we'll get back to what you did. With a fish. Come on. With a guitar. You had a football helmet. Yeah. Oh, my God. Guitar, football helmets in the back. Come on. What did you do? Your truck? What did you do? What did you do?

26:41Justin Andrews:I have to think about it. Come on. Oh, you know what it was? What was it? I could probably find it. It was like when I was in my rockabilly phase. Oh, I can picture it. I know what picture it is. Yeah, you probably do. It's like black and white. Black and white. Yes, I know what picture it is. Bro, that's a winner. I had like my, yeah, it was. That's a different. For you to pick that, because that's just a part of you, in my opinion. Oh, it was like a very small face.

27:04Sal Di Stefano:That's right. That's like a small part of you. So to use that as like - He's like, I'm hot. That's what it is.

27:08Justin Andrews:Well, I just thought I liked it because it was like, again, the portrayal, the person that you're like, oh, yeah. I thought it was like, I looked kind of cool like that. But I'd never rock that. I had a full on pompadour and everything. And I had, yeah, it was like a country western kind of shirt.

27:26Sal Di Stefano:I remember the pick.

27:27Justin Andrews:Yeah, so anyway, yeah, so I put that out there and, like, I was going through the – I think I finally matched up with somebody, you know, the next day, and it was, like, I had a few to look. And I connected with her, and then we ended up going to, like, Dave & Buster's and, like, set this whole thing up. And she lived, like, far. It was at the, like, Milpitas area, kind of, like, far end. and so i was like oh this is this is she lives far and i was like this is gonna work out but then we ended up going and having a good time and i felt bad because like i was like she's a really nice girl you know this stuff but while we're sitting there i always got a text message from courtney and like she was like oh hey you know i'm at mount charlie's like come come hang out and i'm like because she had been ghosting me at this point because i gave up on her because i was I was pursuing her so hard before this and then was just like, you know what?

28:27Justin Andrews:Whatever, dude. She came in in the nick of time. Just literally, dude. She could have lost you.

28:31Sal Di Stefano:Was this girl good enough? We even kissed. Who kissed? You and your date? Dave and Buster's? Yeah. Oh, wow. So you would have ran it back. Yeah.

28:39Justin Andrews:Oh, wow. Oh, yeah.

28:40Sal Di Stefano:But then. What are you saying, dude? Come on, bro. Like another date. You're not saying anything. Yeah, that's right, man. Okay. That's right, man. Okay. But what do you think I'm saying? Oh, I'll tell you, man. i don't know the link yeah dude i never dated i meant go right another date

29:00Justin Andrews:i knew you're saying yeah i just said he was on the same page i'm just going on another date um but yeah she and i was like oh man and my whole my whole like thought process just shifted

29:11Adam Schafer:immediately with her and i hold on did you kiss her after the text or before the text no i kissed

29:19Justin Andrews:right before, well, I got a text that was just like, hey, what's up? And it just kind of like, where do you make out of dating busters? Outside the parking lot because she had to leave from there and I left. I've just been there before. Well, there's not a lot of places to make out. There's no kids. Yeah, I know. Who goes on a date? Just as in front of the basketball hoops. Who goes on a date and doesn't close the deal? Some kid's like,

29:39Sal Di Stefano:hey man, it's my turn.

29:41Justin Andrews:Oh, we're just going to hug awkwardly.

29:43Sal Di Stefano:You know, like, oh, wow. So, okay. So, okay. you make out with this chick. How do you make out?

29:49Justin Andrews:Well, I mean, you kissed her.

29:50Sal Di Stefano:So you kiss this chick. How do you let her down that you're not going to return her dick? Because she thinks she's getting a second date. I know. You're ghosted her, bro.

29:57Justin Andrews:No, I didn't, actually. That was before ghosting was a thing. Yeah, yeah. No, like, I was still kind of, like, conflicted because I didn't know how serious court he was. And so I was, like, still, like, you know, talking to her. And then, you know, I went home, and she was like, oh, like, all excited to do another date. and I was like, well, we'll see. Wow, dude. Wow. And then I came clean. I was like, you know, I got to come clean. Like, I've been pursuing this girl for a while. You were honest? Yeah.

30:27Adam Schafer:You're a good guy, dude.

30:29Justin Andrews:No, but it felt terrible. No way. I would definitely be honest like that. It was like ripping the Band-Aid, dude. I would too, Justin. And still dated both of them.

30:36Sal Di Stefano:Now, that might be true. Here's the deal. I really like you too, though. I got to test you both out. I want to put Adam on the bus. Whenever he gets a rose. Whenever he gets a rose.

30:46Justin Andrews:so you had to let her down yeah she was crushed i bet crushed yeah she i mean she understood but she actually you could tell she was like super super bummed and like yeah i did feel really bad about because i totally let her on like and i'm like yeah yeah we're gonna hang out again well yeah you kissed on the first date of course you let her on but yeah it was whatever so so okay so

31:07Sal Di Stefano:then courtney you you go meet up with her how much short laughter like did you guys go on your first date or are you still not even sure with her she's like yeah so that's she just cracked the door you're like the door's finally cracked yeah he's like it took a few weeks after that i

31:20Justin Andrews:think and then i finally got a date with her and then and then our first date was like uh hills have eyes like the worst movie you could take like a that's a terrifying she picked it

31:31Adam Schafer:dude i'm like i wanted to walk out you know they've done studies on that that horror movies cause physiological arousal in women when they're with their date. So they might not have... Well, I was banking on that.

31:45Justin Andrews:Justin's like, this is the only reason why I'm sitting through this torture movie right now. But it was so messed up. It ruined the whole vibe. There was no romantic feeling.

31:54Sal Di Stefano:I'm such an anti-scary guy that would kill it for me. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, this is not going to work. If you want to do this on a first date, this is not going to work. I was like, oh, she's going to get scared.

32:05Adam Schafer:wow that's a cool story dude I can't believe you did that speaking of which we got a DM I think it was a Mind Pump Media page it might have been a Mind Pump Media page someone DM'd us and they're like I can't believe that you guys advertise with Ashley Madison I'm so disappointed and so we got to set the record straight I almost don't want to bring attention we talked about this because

32:30Sal Di Stefano:McDonald's was on the front of one of our things one time it's not like we partnered with McDonald's Spotify, it's Spotify, right?

32:36Adam Schafer:It goes through Libsyn.

32:38Justin Andrews:Yeah, there's actually two. We have Spotify and Libsyn. They both have their own ads.

32:42Adam Schafer:So they add their own ads in front of our podcast if you listen. Same with YouTube. And YouTube. Yeah, we don't choose any of those. We are not, there's no connection to Ashley Madison or McDonald's.

32:53Sal Di Stefano:Our ads are when it comes out of our mouth.

32:55Adam Schafer:Yes. Because we do not advocate for that terrible, horrible, family-destroying site. That's not something we support at all.

33:03Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. I didn't even know that's what that was until you said that. And by the way.

33:07Justin Andrews:Well, she had a huge data breach. Yeah, I thought it was furniture. I didn't even know it was still a business. You thought Ashley Madison was furniture? Oh, just hearing that sounds like a furniture store.

33:14Adam Schafer:There is an Ashley furniture store. No, it's a freaking site for people to cheat on their spouses. That's an actual dating site.

33:19Sal Di Stefano:There was a whole documentary on them because they got busted. Remember? No, they're still around. That's great. They had a huge leak. Didn't it leak? All their stuff leaked out and people got found out and everything. People were getting divorced. Oh, my God.

33:30Adam Schafer:Have you guys heard the stories of couples that go on Ashley Madison? Like they're trying to cheat on each other and then they link up with each other? No.

33:37Sal Di Stefano:Yes. No. Yes. Oh, my God. That would be hilarious. How do you get mad?

33:40Adam Schafer:You can't.

33:41Sal Di Stefano:Like, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Yeah. Oh, crap.

33:44Justin Andrews:Whole nother conversation. Does it bring them closer?

33:48Sal Di Stefano:God, we're kind of alike, you know?

33:50Adam Schafer:Why don't we just pretend? Yeah. What a dysfunctional.

33:55Justin Andrews:I mean, that's like. I'm just going to treat you as a stranger from now on. Oh, God.

33:59Sal Di Stefano:Wow. I know. Terrible. Have you ever known anybody who's done that? Ashley Madison? Yeah, who's used it? No. I don't think anybody would tell anybody. Yeah, yeah. That's probably a big secret. They'd advertise.

34:08Adam Schafer:Like, hey, bro, I know you know my wife and kids, but I met some chick on Ashley.

34:12Sal Di Stefano:Come on. People tell you. Maybe not dudes. Chicks definitely tell each other. That they do stuff like that? Yes. Maybe. Of course. Tell your girl.

34:19Justin Andrews:That's a good question. I wonder, yeah. I bet you women, more likely, men would tell their friends. Their friends? Yeah.

34:26Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, definitely. I mean, you're a pretty example of who, you know, we just found out you did a Yarmony after. Nothing wrong with that. Nothing.

34:31Adam Schafer:20 years to tell us. I wonder. I got to think of weird questions. I know. That's why I sound like,

34:35Sal Di Stefano:I'm going to make a list when I go home of like all the things I need to ask. Weird. Yeah.

34:40Justin Andrews:Well, I guess you guys missed the boat for the online dating.

34:44Sal Di Stefano:Well, we've talked about online dating so many times. It's like, if I had done it one time, I would have shared the opportunity. I would have been like, Oh, you know, I tried it. I brought it up.

34:51Justin Andrews:It just got blazed over.

34:53Sal Di Stefano:You're only at your default move now, bro. This is like, you know, I did talk about, you guys talk so much. Which we didn't hear it.

35:00Justin Andrews:That's why I protect myself.

35:02Adam Schafer:Justin, Doug, have you ever done a dating site? I did. I have, yeah.

35:06Justin Andrews:How do you have? See, he's old now too. Well, Rachel, that's how I met Rachel actually.

35:10Sal Di Stefano:Oh, you met Rachel that way?

35:12Justin Andrews:Yeah.

35:12Sal Di Stefano:I did not know that.

35:13Justin Andrews:That was right 2020 in the heart of COVID. Wow. You know. So you're a success story. I am a success story, I guess you'd say.

35:21Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

35:21Adam Schafer:Doug, wow. Were you on multiple ones or one? No, just the one. What was the one you were on? E-Harmony.

35:27Justin Andrews:E-Harmony. I think that's the one I was on. Was it Plenty Fish? No, I didn't do that. I just did the one. Too lazy, you know, creating those profiles. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work trying to get on those things.

35:38Sal Di Stefano:Did you do any failed dates before, Rachel? No farmers only.

35:40Justin Andrews:I think I've gone on, I went on a couple others. Yeah. That you didn't tell us about? Well, why would I tell you? I mean, honestly. Because we're friends. So we can tell the whole world. Well, exactly. It's just between us, you guys. You know, Justin and I. It's just us here. I won't tell anybody. Justin and I share that we're like, okay, we kind of keep our private life to ourselves. You know, that's kind of why we don't share every little detail. Tell each other stuff. No, we don't even have a separate, we have a separate text. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. No, I think I went on a call.

36:11Adam Schafer:The thing says, don't sell salad. Half of it is them complaining about us. Talk so much. While we're talking, they're texting each other. No, I don't, I like this.

36:23Justin Andrews:I don't talk that much in real life. Like, so this is all,

36:26Adam Schafer:normal yeah yeah you don't you're not that quiet though i don't know why you say that it's like

36:29Justin Andrews:you don't talk no i'm not i just you know i like i like listening and and engaging when it's well

36:35Adam Schafer:you know that it goes along with your strength you have a really good discernment you really do you have like gifted discernment for for people justin's almost so well that's why i think well as i said it goes well he listens so you know how many times we've met people and just like i don't really know about that guy or whatever it turns out they're they're dirtbag and uh he picks up on it yeah you'd be good too if you listen sorry don't listen huh oh yeah

36:56Sal Di Stefano:exactly what'd you say I feel like you'd have a radar dude just don't listen you know what I'm saying how many times I go Sal Sal this is for you Sal we're talking to you yeah Justin's just as good at listening I'm just bored yeah

37:10Justin Andrews:you just gotta say peptide lean into that yeah yeah

37:12Adam Schafer:hey speaking of peptides and stuff so Caldera Lab so their their products they sent us they have five peptides that they work with in many of the products and then they use the natural botanicals and they looked up some of the botanicals that are in their products.

37:27Justin Andrews:Yeah.

37:27Adam Schafer:Doug listed them here, which is pretty cool. And I'd like you to look some of these up, Doug.

37:30Justin Andrews:Okay.

37:30Adam Schafer:So one of them is Spilanthes, which I've never heard of. That's for wrinkles. Plant stem cells for free radical damage. I'm familiar with that. Astragalus root for tightness. Snow mushroom for hydration. Elderflower for skin tone. And then there's fireweed for healing and for balance. I'm not familiar with Spilanthes, Doug.

37:50Justin Andrews:Fireweed and snow mushroom. Can you imagine having to go forage for this stuff? I feel like you'd be all over the world. Yeah. So it contains something called spilanthol, which is interestingly a local anesthetic.

38:05Adam Schafer:Wow.

38:07Justin Andrews:Yeah. It's good for oral health. It has medicinal properties such as anti-inflammatory, antimicrobial, immune-stimulating properties. And in cosmetics, it's referred to as the natural Botox. Oh, wow. Due to its ability to relax facial muscles and reduce the appearance of fine lines. Oh, wow. Yeah.

38:29Sal Di Stefano:They crush it. And that's a peptide or that's something else? No, no, no. These are all plants. Those are all plants. These are all herbs and plants. Okay. And then they pair that with some peptides.

38:38Adam Schafer:They have peptides. You know what's crazy? I learned about retinol. So retinol is one of the most popular common ingredients in like skin products. Do you know what retinol does? It dramatically increases cell turnover. So in other words, it helps kill cells on the surface to get new ones to produce. So this is why one of the side effects of retinol is like dryness, irritation, sun sensitivity. So retinol can make you sensitive to the sun where you burn easier.

39:06Justin Andrews:Because your top layer is gone.

39:07Adam Schafer:Yeah, but the stuff that they're using, Caldera Labs, works with your natural skin. So I've noticed with, like I always use the example of me and Justin because we have such different skin, right? Mine is more oily. His is more dry. We both use this serum, which is an oil, which I would expect to work well for dry skin. I would expect it would make me too oily. It doesn't. It actually balances me out. And it does the same thing, too.

39:32Justin Andrews:We should rebrand that somehow. Like, you're equator, and I'm, like, north. What?

39:40Justin Andrews:Equator skin is north.

39:41Sal Di Stefano:The serum is the good. That's the good. Yeah, that's my favorite. Yeah, dude.

39:45Adam Schafer:That stuff's amazing. I told you guys, my cousins, when they came to the Christmas party, they got the gift bags where we included it. None of them are like skincare. We're all dudes, right? Yeah. Now all of them, they've seen the text thread. They're like, oh, I can't believe I used stuff all the time. It converted us.

39:58Sal Di Stefano:It converted us. Yeah, dude.

39:59Adam Schafer:So anyway, the Hydro Layer is what I've been using a lot lately as well. The Hydro Layer is the cream. The cream. Right? Yes, yes. I actually need some more of that. And it works really, really well. I just ran out of mine. I got to tell you guys, dude, about what Aurelia said to Jessica the other day. What? Huh. You know, so he's in this phase right now. he's five he's such a fun phase so he's in this phase where he idolizes me which i gotta tell you not you you got you know this you guys both know this yep as a dad when your kid especially your son idolizes you it's such a wonderful thing does it get better than that it doesn't it doesn't they just think you're awesome and then they want to do it they want to be like you yeah you know so he says things like hey what do you want to do when you grow up i want to work at mind pump you know he says stuff like that.

40:41Adam Schafer:Yeah. And he makes, he'll steal her phone and he'll record videos of himself. And every video he'll get on there. He makes this funny face. He flexes. And then he goes, you know, my name is Aurelius and I work at mind pump. I make muscles. And he does this thing. Anyway, you know what he told her? Yeah. He said, he goes, mom, can I ask you a question? She's like, yeah. He's like, am I looking muscular? And she's like, uh, why? And he goes, I've been bodybuilding. Can you tell? I think so. what is he doing he's watching you I gotta ask him what does he think bodybuilding is what is he doing

41:15Sal Di Stefano:I love when they're like that Max is still there Katrina's always trying to change it she's just like what do you want to do because he wants to do what I want to do he likes the foods that I like and I love it she'll be like well what do you want to do Max for this and he'll be like I want to do what daddy wants to do and Katrina's like well what do you want to do I want to do that that's what I want to do that's what he wants to do yeah yeah I'm always getting his back hey let him do it he wants to do it I want to do it too. It's the best feeling.

41:40Adam Schafer:I was watching the other day on the, we have a, what is it, like a nanny cam? And he was having trouble going to bed. He's going through this little phase where he's getting like scared at night. And so Jessica tries to, you know, encourage him and leave. Well, anyway, one of these nights he was, he just kept saying he was scared. So she reluctantly, because it's late, you're tired. And she always does a good job with this, but she's like, oh, okay. So she went down there and she'll sit next to his bed until he falls asleep. And he's so, so I was watching it on the camera. and he's so funny he's sitting there laying there and he sits up and he goes mom i just want you to know you're the best mom in the world thank you so much for doing this and i could just see her just oh it's worth it yeah just nick her bar for seeing it's so worth it when you hear we still

42:21Sal Di Stefano:we still let max come in i'm like telling katrina i'm like we're probably getting close to her we're

42:25Adam Schafer:gonna have to stop that pretty soon here because he's just come in your bed yeah he comes so our

42:29Sal Di Stefano:rule is that he has to he goes to bed he stays in bed and in the morning time he come in and morning is sometimes five in the morning six in the morning it's always it's early like that but

42:37Adam Schafer:he can climb in at that time does he go back to sleep oh yeah oh good yeah oh yeah that's part of

42:41Sal Di Stefano:the rule if you're gonna be otherwise we'll be like if you're gonna be up you go play in your room like it's five o 'clock in the morning you can't stay and he will sometimes sometimes he'll stay up and he'll go play and entertain himself for the next two hours whatever but we we've let him come in and i still uh i lay with him every night so it's seven almost seven years straight where i mean i just remind myself that like that's gonna end at some point yeah at one point he's not gonna want me to do this and so i'm gonna i'm gonna gobble it up for as long as i can it

43:06Adam Schafer:reaches a point where i know you've done this already justin because you got teenagers where you're like hey buddy do you want to do this thing like no i'm gonna go do something else right and it's like there's like this switch that happened it's supposed to happen but there's a pc

43:16Sal Di Stefano:that goes oh yeah it's where he dies and oh of course and i every dad dad buddy of mine i know that's told me that like i remind myself that of that like i will i'm gonna not get this not to mention at least for me this is this way uh some of the best conversations because he wants to stay awake right yeah so it's when he becomes the most talkative or shares the most is laying in bed so i love to come lay in bed with him because then he'll tell me stuff that he wouldn't have told me during the day he's playing he's doing his thing it's how was school oh it's fine what'd you do oh nothing he has nothing to share but laying in bed when it's time to go to sleep and you're supposed to be sleeping then he'll tell me all about his day and all the things he learned in a conversation yeah so i'm like uh you know what this is so worth the same thing so worth it

44:02Adam Schafer:i remind myself because uh what he'll do dahlia is still too young but she gets i'm sure she'll hit this phase but he's like at a stage he'll just ask me question after question after question and i find myself getting like a little tired then i remind myself like you know but his questions are hilarious like he's like you know i'm going on a walk you know like on those long walks hey papa yeah and he goes uh can i have a sleepy dart gun like no you can't have a well why not and i'm like well i think they're illegal for for people to own he goes but they use them on animals i'm like if you shoot an elephant with a sleepy dart gun how long will it take for them to fall asleep and then it just turns into the cycle he just watched utopia or what uh he did maybe that's where he got it from it is from that oh gosh because max asked about the same thing that's

44:45Sal Di Stefano:what i know about that he asked if they were real he's like daddy are those real oh i was like He didn't watch Old School, did he? No, it's from Zootopia. In Zootopia, they make that, I don't know if it's part one or part two, but one of the Zootopias, that's what he's shooting the animals with. Yeah, yeah, with the sleepy darts.

45:03Adam Schafer:Oh, God, he would put that together. Yeah, yeah, so he probably, and he loves to ask me.

45:06Sal Di Stefano:Because Max asked all about that, too, and I'm like, Did you get those versus books for him?

45:11Adam Schafer:The what? Animal versus books? You know what? I don't think I ever got those. Oh, you got to get them, dude.

45:16Sal Di Stefano:I ordered them.

45:16Adam Schafer:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

45:17Sal Di Stefano:You totally made me forget. I forgot all about it until you just said that.

45:20Adam Schafer:We got all of them. Yeah. They're crazy, Justin. They're like, who wins in a fight? And it pairs the animals against a king cobra versus a lizard. He loves that conversation. They're great books. And you go through and you read about, and then the battle at the end, you have to guess who wins. Oh, that's even better.

45:35Justin Andrews:Yeah, we did that with videos on YouTube for a while. Oh, you watched real ones? Yeah.

45:40Sal Di Stefano:Oh, no. This is pretend. I can't get him to watch. Oh, man, I did this. Speaking of the thing. so did i send this to you guys that that wasp and i think it's south africa with it oh the one that grabbed the spider yeah it's a bro there is a wasp and i think i think it's south america yeah okay so it grabbed on the pain meter it's like number two i believe to the bullet so listen to what this thing does tarantula hawk yes yes it's a tarantula hawk is a walk it's a wasp it's a good size one and it's carrying a big tarantula up it's flying with it no it's yeah oh it's carrying it up like it's walking.

46:16Sal Di Stefano:And so it stings the back of the tarantula and the tarantula can't move. So it totally paralyzes the spider. Then it carries it up and then it cocoons it alive and then burrows its young and lays its eggs inside the spider while it's alive. And then so it's young can eat it.

46:34Justin Andrews:And then the young eat every organ that's not vital. So they eat everything that keeps it alive as long as possible until the very end. That's terrifying. That's terrifying. Is that not the most terrifying thing you've ever heard? I've never heard that before or seen this thing before. Imagine if we had a predator just stalking us like that to do something horrible.

46:55Sal Di Stefano:Cocoons you alive, then puts its children in you to eat you alive. That is wild. The fact that it's a spider, that's okay. Yeah, I know.

47:03Justin Andrews:I'm like all for it.

47:04Sal Di Stefano:All the video I was showing was the wasp carrying the spider up a thing. And so I was showing Max. I'm like, dude, check this out. And he doesn't like watching video. I'm like, it doesn't do anything scary. I'm just showing you. It's like looking like this. Pull it. Yeah. So that night, he has a nightmare about getting stung by a wasp. Oh. That's what I get laid into. I say, you know he doesn't like stuff like that. Why don't you show him? I'm like, it didn't have anything scary. It was literally a wasp and a spider in nature. Yeah, dude. He does not like videos like that. Of course, he had a nightmare.

47:34Sal Di Stefano:Katrina had explained to him, those don't exist over here in California. You don't have to worry about those wasps. The wasps that we have aren't like that. It's just like, oh, God. I forget his name.

47:43Justin Andrews:It's like Cody Peterson or something. He has like a YouTube channel. And he's like.

47:47Adam Schafer:Is this the guy that stings himself?

47:49Justin Andrews:Yeah. You test him out? He tests out on the pain scale, like every one of those bites, like personally. And then he's like, it just bit me. And then he like isolates it and he shows, you know, it growing. And then the next day what it looks like. And I'm like, dude, this guy, he needs like a Nobel Prize or something. Yeah. But like it's all for nature. He's not doing it just. I mean, obviously, he's going to get a lot of views because we all just want to see him get stung.

48:16Sal Di Stefano:I don't know if I can watch that. Oh, it was gnarly. I mean, after I saw that and I read what it does, I'm like, I don't think I know of anything more vicious or bad. What other animal does something?

48:29Adam Schafer:Well, what is it? Is it a praying mantis that they'll mate and cut and then snap the other person's head off? It eats the head off. Yeah, they're done. I'll take that all day long over injecting your children

48:40Sal Di Stefano:into me to eat my insides out. Does it get worse than that?

48:44Justin Andrews:Yeah, there's insects. There's other insects that do that kind of stuff. Really? Yeah, I'm trying to remember.

48:48Sal Di Stefano:I'd never read anything like that before. And I was like, I dug deeper. I was like, this can't be true. This is really what happens. And it was like everything you said. It was like they literally, not only do they do that, but then they eat the organs that keep it alive. And they're conscious. Yeah, and you're trapped. Like, please, just snap my neck. I would much rather just go. Please kill me. Yeah, like that's got to be the worst, right? Awful, man.

49:13Adam Schafer:I think there's a tribe somewhere that uses bullet ants as a coming of age. They put on gloves. It's a glove, yeah. They put on these like wicker gloves filled with bullet ants. And it's like as a boy becomes a man, he has to withstand it. And they stand there and let these ants sting the crap out of them.

49:29Justin Andrews:It's the most painful thing that there is.

49:31Adam Schafer:And you're not supposed to like yell or cry. Look at the picture of the dude just wearing the glove and just letting him just bite his hands. I wonder how long they have to do that for. I forgot. Oh, my gosh.

49:44Justin Andrews:I know. Yeah, and there's some hornets and, you know. Ten minutes. Oh, God. Hey, quick, real quick. They cause paralysis, hallucinations, and days of shaking.

49:56Adam Schafer:Oh, God. All right, listen. We have to do that 20 times. Is that going to be our next YouTube channel? No, I got to ask you guys. We're about 45 minutes in. I gave you ketone IQ at the beginning of the podcast. What do you guys feel? Always more clear. It's wild, right? Sharp.

50:07Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

50:07Adam Schafer:Isn't it wild?

50:08Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

50:08Adam Schafer:it's like the best thing i mean i like that i can have it with my caffeine too so that's what yeah because there's no caffeine in it yeah it's the best i i mean i use it and i notice every time i i take one of their shots of ketones it takes about 20 minutes or so yeah and i just feel

50:23Sal Di Stefano:really sharp you'll do up to three in a day i haven't done that yet yeah i'll do one in the

50:27Justin Andrews:morning one at lunch and sometimes i'll do one before i leave so ketones themselves are a bit neuroprotective right yeah because i've recommended this my friend recently because he had like an unfortunate stroke it was like kind of a random thing but like i'm like this might be for the

50:42Adam Schafer:brain it's a really easy clean source of energy so your brain just operates really well on ketones and uh oftentimes mental fog issues with clarity where you're like what's you know why do i feel like i'm not that sharp it's actually the energy systems of the brain so creatine that's why creatine helps with it creatine yeah and then ketones um and because ketone iq you just take a shot of it instead of having to go on a ketogenic diet.

51:06Sal Di Stefano:Well, what's cool is that you can get the benefits of going into ketosis without being in ketosis, which is really cool.

51:11Adam Schafer:Yeah, dude, because ketogenic diet sucks.

51:12Sal Di Stefano:Well, yeah, you either got to fast for a good 24 plus hours to get into ketosis, or you got to be on a ketogenic diet, which is unbelievably restrictive to get yourself down. Because I remember it took a few days of the ketogenic diet before I actually even fell into ketosis. Because you have to be really, really strict on the carbs. You can be dialed, yeah. Yeah. And that's just, I mean, that's not a realistic way. But there's all these incredible benefits that we were aware of. So the fact that you could just take an exogenous supplement and then get in there is awesome.

51:40Adam Schafer:It's great. You want mental clarity. You want athletic performance. You want whatever.

51:44Sal Di Stefano:Now, do you know how long it – because you're not technically getting into ketosis. All you're doing is – You're using up the ketone. You're producing – You're getting the benefits of it. Hours.

51:52Adam Schafer:Yeah, it lasts hours. You can actually test it. You can get a ketone strip. You can drink ketone IQ, wait 30 minutes, pee on the strip. Oh, it'll show that you're – Oh, yeah. Yeah, you're in ketosis, like straight up. You'll measure into a nice... Oh, I didn't know that. You'll get a nice purple color on the ketone screen.

52:07Justin Andrews:You just kind of shift over and prioritize it. You use both. You're using both. You're using both, but your brain loves ketone. Well, yeah, it loves it.

52:15Sal Di Stefano:It'd be kind of a cool test to actually use the urine test to see how long that you're still showing that.

52:20Adam Schafer:Yeah, and those strips are cheap. You can buy them on Amazon for like eight bucks.

52:22Sal Di Stefano:No, I didn't know that. Uh-huh.

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53:01Justin Andrews:First question is from Ali Mac 122. One of your most recent podcasts, the title is Lose Weight After 30, keeps talking about removing processed foods. Can you please clarify what you mean by process? Because pre-washed spinach is processed. Canned and flash frozen vegetables are processed. Peeled and frozen shrimp are processed. Just curious as to what you all consider is good versus bad in the world of process. All those would be fine.

53:31Sal Di Stefano:Sal says minimally processed is another way to say it. There's another I've heard people say, which I think is a great way. If it didn't exist 200 years ago, that's an easy way to do it also. All those things that you just listed existed 200 years ago.

53:44Adam Schafer:Yeah, they did. This is so funny. I had a client once who got in this crazy debate with me. When you say processed, what do you mean? They have to wash the apple. That's like, okay, listen.

53:52Justin Andrews:It's the same thing with bad chemicals, and they reduce it down to molecules.

53:55Adam Schafer:No, we're referring to heavily processed foods. These are foods that typically have a lot of ingredients. they're not in their natural form. So like a cookie, there is no cookie tree. You can find flash frozen vegetables, but those vegetables exist in nature. Yeah. So minimally processed would be there. But yeah, food that has a long shelf life, but like one or a few ingredients is okay. When we say processed, we're talking about heavily processed foods, foods that are not anywhere near their natural state. Okay. They're foods that are - Engineered. They're engineered foods. And the reason why they're not good is because the science that goes into making them is geared towards making them hyperpalatable, which means you're going to overeat them.

54:36Adam Schafer:It throws off your satiety. You're just not going to feel satisfied at the same time as you would with something that's, let's say, whole and natural. And so it just causes you to overeat. So one of the easiest ways to eat an appropriate amount is you simply eliminate those foods and you'll naturally fall into a caloric intake that's much more appropriate.

54:53Sal Di Stefano:I mean, can you poke holes in the 200 years? I can't think of a situation where like, what's been around for 200 years that you couldn't? I mean, that's one way to say it, I guess. You can totally say that. I mean, I feel like that simplifies this for people because people do ask stuff like this all the time. Well, there's technically, even like meat is processed somewhat. Like they had, you know what I'm saying?

55:10Justin Andrews:They cut it and yeah, there's processed meat.

55:12Sal Di Stefano:It's like if this was around 200 years ago, you could eat that food and eat it.

55:15Adam Schafer:It's typically single ingredient kind of stuff. Like all the stuff that this person listed. Fine. Yeah, like frozen shrimp. What's the ingredient in there? Shrimp. You know, flash frozen vegetables. what's the ingredient vegetables it's pre-washed spinach it's spinach now if it was like um you know uh vegetable chips yeah that's totally different uh if it was shrimp flavored chips

55:39Justin Andrews:that's different yeah so well it was usually for me it was like the middle of the grocery store like you just avoid like you just like would do the perimeter that's 100 that's where you're find it better all right our next question is from pretty pretty uh patty 10 what is better conventional deadlifts or sumo what are the big differences does it truly make a difference doing

56:02Adam Schafer:one over the other so they're both called the deadlift they're both they both qualify in power lifting so conventional that was better if you power if you compete in power lifting they'll accept either a sumo or conventional uh as your deadlift this has added a lot of confusion because it's made them the same exercise. They're not. They're not. Conventional deadlift is better. It's a fuller range of motion. It is, but they're different. It's like doing both. It's like saying a hack squat versus a barbell squat or a front squat versus a barbell squat.

56:30Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, but if you were only going to do one of them, which one are you picking? Conventional deadlift all day long.

56:34Adam Schafer:Probably. Yeah, not probably.

56:36Justin Andrews:It hits the whole posterior chain.

56:37Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, yeah. No, it's a greater range of motion.

56:39Adam Schafer:I think it's probably more functional. Yeah, definitely. But I think both. Do both in your routine.

56:45Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, I mean, I love, I program sumo deadlifts all the time, especially for my female clients that want to develop their glutes because I think it's great for glute drive. I think it's great for that. And your glute meds more involved because of your stance. And so if you want to develop your butt, both are great for developing your butt, but it's I program both and use the sumo for that reason. But if you're not competing and you're only going to primarily do one, I'm going to have you do conventional deadlifts.

57:10Adam Schafer:That's what I would teach. Yeah. Almost always was the conventional. But again, the confusion is that they're interchangeable because they're not the same exercise. Powerlifting is added to that confusion because they accept both, but they're not. Yeah, you said it well.

57:22Sal Di Stefano:It's like comparing a front squat to a back squat. Yeah. Very different. They're both squats, but they're different. Yeah.

57:26Justin Andrews:Next question is from Sarah Beth for Prez. Can I train abs with cable crunches, decline sit-ups, and leg raises through the week while still doing vacuum poses daily?

57:38Adam Schafer:Yeah, you can do vacuum poses all the time. Yeah. That's a low intensity, low tension exercise. It's isometric. Vacuum poses, you know what they're good for? Connecting to the muscles that brace the core.

57:51Justin Andrews:Yeah, getting that TVA.

57:52Adam Schafer:That's something. Now, the only downside is don't do them so much that you're not breathing well. Don't try and hold it all day long so that you're shallow breathing. But practicing, that's the best way to do vacuum poses is to do them frequently. Absolutely.

58:05Sal Di Stefano:This is what I used to tell my clients is I would put them in that posture pose where it naturally draws you in. And I'd be like, you feel that, like the way you're drawn in? Totally. Just practice that all day. This is something I try. I notice when I'm driving in my car or sitting on planes, I'll slouch and then I'll feel myself do that and then I'll activate and just tense up for a while and just try and do that as frequently as possible.

58:25Adam Schafer:Yeah, my post, what is it called? Post-pregnant or what's the term I'm looking for? I can't remember. I can't believe that. Postpartum. Postpartum, thank you very much. My postpartum clients' daily vacuum poses was always part of their routine. It made such a big difference with bringing their midsection in, but also just giving Oh, reconnection is huge with that.

58:46Justin Andrews:Next question is from Nay Glintz. At 54 years old, I am following anabolic and lifting two days per week. Is that enough to prevent the muscle loss associated with menopause and aging? Or am I just slowing down the muscle loss process? Am I actually able to build muscle at this age? Because right now I feel as if I'm losing muscle fast and gaining fat equally as fast.

59:11Adam Schafer:One strength training session every two weeks is enough to prevent the muscle loss. You're going to build muscle at two days a week. Now, if you're not building muscle, it's probably diet and or maybe you're doing the routine wrong or the intensity is wrong or your sleep is off. So I would recommend, this is what I recommend to clients who are like asking questions like this. hire a trainer. For like two months. Hire a trainer for two months. Learn how to do things properly. Have them coach you.

59:38Sal Di Stefano:You'll get so much

59:39Adam Schafer:out of that.

59:40Sal Di Stefano:The other thing would be hormones too Sal, right? Like, I mean, hopefully you have somebody who's, because if someone like this is on like, if they're estrogen, progesterone, everything's all off really bad. A lot of times too, you could be. They'll still build muscle.

59:52Adam Schafer:Just not like they normally would but we have a guy in here that trains a little over clients who's on testosterone suppression. You know what I'm talking about. He had a testosterone sensitive cancer. They had to not just, they put him on medication to bring his testosterone down. It measures at like 20. He just hit a PR on deadlifts at 225. The muscle building process still happens. When your hormones are off, it makes it harder. I've trained many women in menopause. Many of them didn't do hormone therapy and they still built muscle and got results. Hormone therapy makes it easier for sure. Yeah, but they still built muscle.

1:00:31Sal Di Stefano:Menopausal women were one of the hardest clients I had to show good results with. And I felt like the ones that did get their hormones balanced. It does make a difference. It made a huge difference. Especially if you are listening right now and you feel like you're checking the boxes. My sleep's pretty good. I'm hitting my macros. I'm following a good program. And then still not seeing results. Then most often than not, fixing the hormones are going to see someone to get hormone replacement therapy. Like that made a big difference.

1:00:59Adam Schafer:But two days a week is plenty. Oh yeah. It's plenty. I mean,

1:01:01Sal Di Stefano:one day a week will,

1:01:02Adam Schafer:she can see. Most of my clients that were menopausal did one day a week with me. They were active the rest of the week. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. It's mind pump media.

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