2864: America's Most Jacked Cities, Parasite Cleanses, Coaching Callers on Building Muscle, Bone Density & Fat Loss

20:13That was weird to watch. It was straight up. All right. I want to talk about. So Adam, you were telling me about Cannoli. Oh, yeah. I was calling you.

20:23Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, he hit me up. I guess their parasite cleanse is just exploding right now and he asked if we had taken it and I said no I haven't taken it I said Sal talks about that all the time in fact last year I said he put me on something I said but tell me about it and then he was just saying the reviews that they've been getting I wanted you to look at it and tell me because I know you've looked into this before you've encouraged me to do a parasite cleanse I think Doug's done one before too like I think so tell me what is it one is it work yes okay yes so they have a parasite cleanse supplement there's two of them that they've put together they're all natural so yes you can treat yourself for parasites naturally now pharmaceuticals are like a nuke so if natural doesn't work sometimes you got to go in there with the drugs but the natural ingredients that are in their parasite cleanse have been shown in studies and have been used for a long time for parasite cleanse.

21:26In some cases, 89%, 97 % efficacy. Wow. And they have a combination of ingredients. So the mimosa seed, pumpkin seed, Ceylon cinnamon, papain powder. Then they have another bottle that comes with ingredients that are to repair your gut. Okay. Which is important because you get rid of parasites. A lot of toxins are released. Parasite die off can make you feel like crap. then they have another bottle that comes with this that has stuff in there that heal the gut and so it's a combination of two bottles yeah and they're and they're effective i i brought up the data i researched a lot of them which i had in the past but i just kind of um just refresh my memory and they do work they do work so you can treat yourself naturally for parasites again if it doesn't work then you got to go with the pharmaceutical route but uh for most people it will do a good job but anyway there's this belief this myth uh that i believed for a long time I used to hear this all the time that parasite infections, well, that's for like third world.

22:26Those are third world issues. Like we live in modern societies. Everything's so clean. Parasite infections are rare. So it's not a big deal.

22:35Justin Andrews:People attribute it more to like unsanitary environments. Yeah, dude. Like you're going to go to another, like you're going to go to a third world country or you're going to go to some area, you know, with bad sanitary conditions. And then they'll say, make sure you treat yourself with parasites or watch out. only eat food that's well cooked, that kind of stuff. But if you live in America, what I thought was, yeah, it's rare. It's actually not. It's actually not rare at all. It's rare for you to catch a parasite in the next year. But over the course of years, it's actually quite common that you may encounter and have parasites.

23:14and if you've never done a parasite cleanse and you're 30 or 40, now the odds go up quite a bit. So like one example, this is a silly one. You also talked about like sushi eaters. If you're somebody who's a big sushi. Listen, if you eat uncooked food, which could be sushi, it could be raw vegetables, fruit. Yes, it's all washed, all that stuff. But remember, you're doing this over years and years and years. And once you get a parasite, they ain't going to go anywhere. They evolve to live in your body. They're there.

23:42Justin Andrews:And they grow. So, yeah, they could be tiny and almost microscopic. And they spread. Like, you have them, your family probably has them, you know, type of deal. Like, pinworm is a real common one. Pinworm is like 38 % of children who go to daycare have pinworm. Oh, wow. 38%. Okay? The symptoms of parasites sometimes are obvious. So this is when people tend to go get tested. So they have really bad symptoms, like really bad gastro issues all of a sudden or whatever. But some of them are kind of subtle, kind of low energy, skin issues, hormone issues, teeth grinding. Teeth grinding, believe it or not, is a sign of parasite infection.

24:21Fogginess. Food intolerances. Like, I didn't have food intolerances. Suddenly I have all these food intolerances. Like, that could be a sign of parasites. Inflammation. Itchy butt. Yeah. That's a very – No, it is. It's one of the top ones for a kid. Yeah, pinworm. Pinworm will do that. So they're quite common. so if you have never done a parasite cleanse like and this is all natural do around and what's funny so i was talking to drew about this so they released their um parasite cleanse and what's the name of their product doug so i can quote them uh properly yeah so uh let's see here it's called parasite cleanse kit okay parasite cleanse kit straightforward yeah very straightforward so i was talking to drew and he goes he goes dude the pictures people are sending me oh god he gets

25:03Sal Di Stefano:picture i'm not surprised i mean gross yeah so you could get rid of parasites and notice nothing in your stool yeah some people they're seeing stuff come out okay and it's like what is that

25:16Justin Andrews:so this is where it ends up typically yes is in your poop yeah so what happens is when you take these when you take a parasite clean when you take their parasite cleanse kit there are compounds in there that paralyze the parasite so parasites will have to hook on or hold on as food passes through so they don't go through and get pooped out. Pumpkin seed, for example, is a very common or famous one because it paralyzes them. So suddenly they can't hold on and they come out your body. There are other compounds in there that prevent eggs from hatching or prevent them from laying eggs. There are other ones that are toxic to the parasite.

25:51So they combine a bunch of them to kind of hit them from different angles. And so anyway, he was like, man, the picture's good for you. You get pictures of people poop. You should send them to us. I'm curious. Well, my personal experience is I had gut issues. If you've listened to the show for more than five years, you know this. I had gut issues for, I don't know, two decades.

26:13Justin Andrews:Yeah. And they would sometimes get worse, sometimes get a little better, never completely go away. It was always a challenge. I could never really push my food intake because once I did, I'd have all these gastro issues. I couldn't have eat so many different things. Sometimes I'd get issues out of nowhere. it really inhibited my progress because I couldn't feed myself properly so my calories were always low so I couldn't push muscle building or strength because every time I'd bump my food up past a certain point after a week or two it caused problems I'd have to fast regularly to reduce the inflammation and symptoms this was just going on for a while it wasn't until I did a parasite cleanse that I finally got better okay but everybody wants to know did you see it in your poop?

26:59I didn't no I didn't see it

27:01Sal Di Stefano:Oh, so there's a chance like you will get relieved of some of the symptoms but not see it in your stool. No, no. Not everybody's going to see stuff. Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, okay. I mean, if I - There's some resolve there, though. You're like, wow, it was you. I mean, I feel like you'd want to see it. I don't want to see it. Nothing. Yeah. I would, too. I would be like, good. You got him. Got you. Jumps out.

27:26Oh, my gosh. Try to get back to you. Oh, my gosh, dude. Oh, hell no. Yeah, dude. So I was, but it would happen with me. So here's what it feels like when you do a parasite cleanse. This is what I experienced. I did the cleanse. I got way better. Then I had to do the cleanse like 10 days later, because if you have any remaining, this sounds so gross, right? If you have any remaining eggs, so you kill the main parasites, but there's eggs that may remain. Then 10 days later, I did it again to kill the potentially hatching eggs. And I got way better, but I was still kind of sensitive because my gut had to heal.

27:57Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. so it wasn't for like a month or two of me I remember when it flipped for you yeah it was like night and day bro I gained 10 pounds of muscle and like 10 pounds of muscle just came on my body cause now I could eat I could suddenly eat which I haven't heard you have to make that clear just to the audience cause someone's gonna hear that and be like percycloids made you gain 10 pounds it's like well the cleanse it was the food it was your ability to now bump your calories 500 to 1000 calories that's right and push hold it down yeah that's right it was preventing me from being able to fuel what I was doing with my training.

28:29Yeah. And once I was able to eat and eat more, boom, I got.

28:33Justin Andrews:Well, yeah, I remember being motivated, but I didn't actually do the parasite cleanse yet. I bought all the stuff, but it was because of the teeth grinding part that was like, oh, man, maybe there is something related to that. And, of course, I've had gut issues for quite a while, so I mean, I guess it's time to take the challenge. Yeah, you eat all kinds of weird stuff. so if you do this just give people advice on this if you do if you get organified parasite cleanse you're going to want to give it to your spouse also yeah because you probably both you share i mean uh sexual contact intimacy uh whatever can spread parasites you sleep in the same bed type of deal so you do it you your wife or your husband should do it also because what'll happen is you'll get rid of your parasites your wife has them and then yeah three four months later They're like, my symptoms are back.

29:24What the hell is going on? Yeah, yeah. It was because you passed them back.

29:27Sal Di Stefano:Justin, did you do that app thing that you were going to mess with? Oh, I think so.

29:31Justin Andrews:So, Dylan, did we get that all set up? Okay, all right. Well, tell us about this. Yeah, one of my friends sent me this last night, and he was just like, this would be kind of a funny thing. So some of my friends in college, I don't know, they were always measuring and stacking each other based upon like all kinds of weird, like, so how good you look in comparison to your other friends or like, you know, who's, who's the most athletic or, you know, whatever, you know? And so we always have these kind of debates and yeah, stupid crap like that. And so, uh, my friend actually sent me like, there's like a specific kind of prompt you can send to like Claude or one of those AI, uh, things.

30:13Justin Andrews:And, um, it, it ranks you and it, like, it gives you all this detailed report based upon like you know symmetry or like wrinkle or like so you do a picture of your face folds of your eyes or like yeah so it just it scans and analyzes you and it gives you like you know uh an attractive score and so i was like i thought it'd be funny if we just like did you guys do you guys remember

30:36Sal Di Stefano:what could go wrong do you remember me hey do you remember me telling you about this so when i went down this was uh when did kyle and i go down to the hormosi school thing a few months ago yeah it was a while probably six months it's more like that was a while it's been a while when we went down there i told you guys what i one of the i was uh first of all i was like the old guy you know all these young super successful kids like and one of the kids i ended up talking to forever 19 years old wow 19 yeah 19 multi-millionaire wow and one of the things that he had created was he created this app that score that you and you had to buy tokens so basically if I whatever I don't know the exact price don't quote me it was like 9.99 and I get five five faces that I could score yeah and and so but he developed it for plastic surgeons so they could use the software the technology and and the way I guess the way right now the the way that the technology they use right now is kind of outdated and this this new technology that he had trademarked this formula or algorithm machine tell me how handsome or not well and so anyways so he that was his so that's how he made big money but he was making tons of money just from all the people curious and just curious yeah like not for actual plastic surgery but just be like man let's do ours and let's see and so he was making millions of dollars just from the that market the just the open market of people wanting to score their face yet it was developed for plastic surgery and that's the way he he came up with it was he worked at like an office like that and so he had he had seen he knew how they were using this this technology in order to and they were it was and he's like he basically developed a better technology through this app and the app gone went viral from just kids sharing it wanting to it's funny because obviously you see all the

32:29Justin Andrews:negative aspects of this you know like it's like really like gonna push people into insecurity land but at the same time you know amongst you know my friends who are all a bunch of yeah i

32:40Sal Di Stefano:a bunch of old dudes who don't give a shit yeah yeah we don't care it's funny you know it's like

32:45Justin Andrews:especially when like you end up lining up right next to your ogre friend that you're like no way

32:50Sal Di Stefano:dude like i'm way better looking at you well i'm super nervous because you guys say that i'm the handsome one but i have a feeling i'm not gonna score very well i've told you guys before like model symmetry is like the distance of your eyes your nose the ratio all that stuff like that i'm a fat face now fat face is not gonna work to my favor shut up chisel jaw justin's jawline shut will outscore me. Listen to Adam right now. Pretend to be humble. You guys, I'm not good looking at all. That's not me pretending. I'm going to look backwards. I'm going to roll my eyes on it. We just got to settle the score, dude.

33:21That's all I'm saying. I don't want to throw this out there. You know what's sad about this? What's wrong, Silver Fox? I know. Why are you nervous? One person said that. One guy said Butterface?

33:30Justin Andrews:One person. Thank you.

33:34Sal Di Stefano:You know who that was, though, right? No, no. You dick. You're the one that put that in there? What a jerk. Actually, it kind of means you have a nice body.

33:44Justin Andrews:Bro, it was a joke because it was like, you know, they're grossed us. And I'm like, and so I'm just sending them. I know. In my heart, dude. I felt really like a guilty conscience about that. I told my wife, I was like, be honest with me, baby. I was like, one day I'll tell Sal. You just did. I literally told my wife, I'm like, be honest, honey. Am I a butter face? I thought it was a fan, dude. I was like, oh, bro, I'm just roasting you. That hurts so bad. Of course it's not real. It would have been better if it was a fan. I know. That's why I let it run for a while. I was like, maybe you'll think about it.

34:18He was going to leave it forever. Yeah. On my deathbed. They saw, by the way. That was me. Ah! Oh, my God. You know, it's crazy because what's obvious to me here, or sad, I guess, is if you want to make a quick buck, feed into human brokenness or insecurity. Easy money. and it's so sad everywhere it's so sad to me it's like here you want to make a lot of money here here's here how you do feed addiction or insecurity or brokenness come up with a product that feeds you gotta tell them they have a problem and boom you're like a ton of money you know speaking of

34:53Sal Di Stefano:insecurity uh did you see the hormosi video that got pulled down so is that really why he pulled it down i don't know why yeah i have no idea why why do you think uh i don't know but you know did Did you even watch it? I did. Okay, you did. And it's, what's his name? I'm not going to say his name. I don't want to make fun of him or say anything about it. No, no, no. Tony Robbins. Did you watch Tony Robbins? No, no, I know that, but the person commented on it. Yeah, yeah, but did you watch the real interview? I did. I didn't watch all of it, but I watched a lot of it. It was really good. It was great.

35:17It was really good. Which is weird as to why he would pull it. Well. I know what the speculation is, is that he looked like, you know, like he was. Yeah, vulnerable, not super powerful. He looked like the little guy. He was getting schooled. In a good way. Yeah. But I could see how that would make it feel. Yeah, I mean, I think it made—

35:33Sal Di Stefano:I feel like everybody needs mentors, right? I think it made him way more likable. Yeah. But we were speculating on why do you think he got taken down, or did he take it down? Did his PR person take it down? Did Tony Robbins' team have him take it down? Like, what is the most likely of the three? I think he explains. Someone in the comments said, Hormozzi explained why he took it down. But I don't look that up. He has? Someone in the comments said, I don't know. I mean, our team had looked at it. I don't think they said they had found that. Maybe Doug had died. Doug, you put, why did Hormozzi take down his interview with Tony Robbins?

36:06By the way, do you guys - It was a mystery. Just a side note. We'll go back to this. Last few weeks, I've had three different people tell me that I look and sound like Tony Robbins. Three different people. Seriously? Separately. The only time I'd ever heard that before was when Doug told me 20 years ago. Just recently? Yeah. Randomly. Maybe your delivery, but not like your voice. Yeah, you remind me of Tony Robbins. I'm like, I never heard that. I only heard that one other time. Like two other people did the same thing. That's interesting. I don't know. I take it as a compliment. Yeah, for sure.

36:34Of course. That's a major compliment. Okay, he took down his interview. So this is speculation. Because it shifted from a promotion of his hustle culture brand to a vulnerable coaching session where he appeared. That's the scope. Yeah, but what did he say?

36:46Sal Di Stefano:Well, I mean, if that pops up as the first thing, you would think it would be. Yeah, yeah. I don't know. We'll see. Yeah. I don't know. But I liked it. I thought it was a great. I don't think it reduces his. I think it only strengthens his I think that's what we would think because we built a brand on authenticity and being vulnerable and sharing our flaws and our weakness he has not built a brand off of that he has built a brand off of being an authority, a know-it-all you can't lean into being working and being miserable you're weak so that's been part of his mantra for the entire and so it does make a little sense from a brand perspective yeah now a big hole in exactly from a from a humanizing and from a like i mean i like him more because of that and i think i think everybody i think a lot of people felt that way but if you've built your brand this is like something we have people okay in the space that we know okay that uh you know built their band off of their brand off of being alpha good fathers all this so like that and they preach to everybody with that and then end up getting a divorce or cheating on their wife or and it's like boy and you just see their shit when you build this whole brand around a a certain message and then that gets dismantled or unpacked like it did in that interview like the vegan girl that got caught eating yes it just like versus when we open when we started this and nobody was listening from jump the jump we came from a place of well we learned that from coaching people that's right You have to do that.

38:18Sal Di Stefano:And so none of us, in 13 years, okay, that we've been doing this, we've all had some rough years or mistakes. So I just came off of sharing my addiction that I had. And it doesn't hurt us because I never came off preaching like I was perfect or that I don't have flaws. It's also like you want to talk about a dangerous path is to build a bunch of or create a bunch of admiration and glory or we'll say love, but it's not real from the world based off of something that you, that isn't real because it will. And people will wait for you to come crashing down. Right. Uh, what's his, what's the guy's name?

38:58You think he's, he's super funny. He also does kickboxing. He, uh, he was in Romania. Andrew Tate. Okay. Andrew Tate. He's, he's, he's the comedy side of it was great, but he also puts out this persona that he's like the super alpha, whatever. Yeah. And then he got in a kickboxing match recently. Got his butt kicked. Yeah. Destroyed by in the comments, destroyed. because he pumps himself up as like, I can beat anybody.

39:18Sal Di Stefano:Everybody's waiting for him to fail, yeah. Yeah, so it's like. Oh, I thought he handled himself so well after that. I thought he did too. Did you hear how he lost? Yeah, yeah. But after he lost, people were destroying him because they were waiting for him. They're waiting for him to fall. I mean, I don't know if that's a good example because fights are like that, right? You just saw Strickland's fight last week, and they're part of, they build themselves up. They talk so much trash. Just to sell the fight. Yeah, to sell the fight. And you know the best way to sell a fight. you need to make enemies on the other side.

39:46Sal Di Stefano:You need to be, you need to hope that you want, okay, Jake Paul's the best of that. Look how much hate that guy takes on, but he knows damn well what he's doing. He knows he's bringing on, so the fighters aren't a good example of that. I think better examples are like these people that build brands around a persona that isn't their full truth. Or they're still scarred from childhood stuff and insecurities and they put on a front like it's not a big motivator or driver of who they are today. and so I think that's what happens is you put this facade on that you're this image or this person and it serves you so well you get all this admiration and love for it the irony is being vulnerable will get you more um influence if you lead with it yeah but if you've built a persona that is so big and powerful for that and then especially if you talk down to people yeah especially if you do that well that and that's what I'm saying I and so again I don't know why this guy there could be a whole host of he actually said it doug pulled it up well he said it didn't match his hustle uh brand no that was a speculation it was still not him that was not him he hasn't commented i mean that's that's exactly what we're speculating right now is exactly what i think is he's built this brand on your if you can't do something hard and hate it you're a pussy yeah i mean i lean into that this is suffer i'm suffering i don't know the guy tony basically unpacked that and was like that's a terrible way to live i don't know him i don't know his wife i don't know them i think they have great um information when it comes to building business stuff like that i don't know him i don't follow him deeply but the things that i have seen when he talks it does come out to me that he's uh i don't know i feel when robbins was talking to him i was like that's what i've noticed that's what i feel he's kind of lost and he's chasing something because he feels like he's lost yeah you know so that's maybe why who knows yeah no i I mean, he admits being unhappy.

41:35Sal Di Stefano:I mean, it's not like he's faking that. I mean, but that's, again, I think that the reason why I think the speculation is probably pretty accurate. I mean, Katrina brought up another point. She's like, you remember how many NDAs we had assigned and stuff that we, I mean, of all the interviews that we've done, we had to go through more legal stuff with Tony's team than we ever have, right, to protect all his stuff. And so there was a lot of rules that we had to follow. And so her speculation was like, are you sure that his team didn't have him pull it down? Oh, true. Because something didn't...

42:05You know what's funny about that? Just to give kudos to Tony. When we talked to him off air or whatever, he was like, he was very candid. Yeah. And I'm like, maybe that's why they put it in the game. His team kind of comes in and cleans it up. No, that's all right. Totally.

42:18Sal Di Stefano:He's one... I would put him up there with one of my favorite people that we've met. Totally. Because for the most part, especially like uber famous like him, don't live up to what you expect you know like uh i mean i've met her mosey in person i met uh when we met robbins we met jordan peterson jordan peterson was like this too um they they they have this ability about it whether it's authentic or not i tell you what it makes you feel like it is they have this ability to make you feel important in that you're the only person in the room yeah and as busy as they are and as famous as they are everything else dissolves and it's like the attention is and not a lot of like really uber famous people have that most of them have kind of an arrogance about them give two shits like i'm busy whatever tony did not come off that way at all peterson didn't come off that way at all like they were two of probably my favorite people i think that we've we've ever encountered totally agree all right i'm gonna change uh directions here so they just can't this is going viral right now i can't wait to read this because i know Justin is going to love what I'm about to read here.

43:23Exciting. So, yeah, dude. And I'm just like, okay. Is this more UFO stuff? No, no. Although I do have some of that. Boom, boom. This is a study that is out and they're like, it's flying. Okay. The single strongest personality predictor of conspiracy thinking is narcissism. Wow. Narcissists are particularly prone to conspiracy theories because they have a strong need for uniqueness, are prone to paranoia and can also be remarkably gullible. Now, here's why this is interesting.

43:53Justin Andrews:Wow. Or maybe they just want the truth. Here's what... No, no, let's break down the person that wrote this. Well, it was a study. It's a study that they're showing. So here's what I think, 100%. I'm going to push back. And right now, this is why I think this way, is that quote-unquote conspiracy theorists are like 10 and 0. I know.

44:12Sal Di Stefano:That sounds very narcissistic, Sal. No, they're just proving. 10 and 0. you know uh covid was a wonderful time for conspiracy theorists they all came out looking yeah great see what this can ufo disclosures epstein with the you know what the quote-unquote elite do like it's all like conspiracy theorists like they're batting a thousand yeah right now so i think they're doing this to to try to marginalize dismantle it a bit by the way conspiracy theorists was a term that was created by the cia yeah yeah they came up with it because of the JFK assassination. I thought it was the other one. It was the other studies they did.

44:51Sal Di Stefano:What's it called? Sourced with an M. MKUltra? Yes. Look up when did the CIA come up. I believe it was over MKUltra. So I thought it was after JFK. You might be right. After he got killed, everybody was like... It was you guys who I think dropped that knowledge. I wasn't aware of that. We brought it up one time before. I thought it was a way to throw him off from MKUltra. Yeah. No, it was because people were speculating. Like, hey, This doesn't seem, something's off. Like, this doesn't seem right. Yes, I got the facial beauty report. For who? For each of us. All right, how did they put our picture?

45:22Can you put it up on, can Doug put it up or not?

45:24Justin Andrews:Thanks, Dylan. Oh, yeah. Okay, I'll text it to you. According to this, the CIA did not invent the phrase. But they played, so this is where AI cracks me up, but they played a significant role in weaponizing and popularizing it in the 1960s. To discredit critics of, there you go, the Warren Commission's finding of the JFK assassination. The aim was to associate questioning the official narrative with irrationality and fringe insanity. So maybe they didn't even create the term, but they popularized it. What year was MKUltra? Well, we didn't know about it for a while, but I believe that was the 60s.

45:59Yeah. I think it was in the 60s. So it was after JFK? Yeah. But you remember, see, people don't realize this. When the first time that the - 1953.

46:07Sal Di Stefano:So I think that this is the first time it was used, Sal. and then it got popularized maybe in the JFK thing. I don't know, but what I do know is that for the first time in American history, the population largely questioned the narrative. It was like one of the first times where the population was like, we don't believe this. This doesn't seem right. It was the JFK assassination. Didn't we, what? What you got? Oh, so here we go. Look down at the bottom screen. That's not a good picture of me. Pick a better one.

46:387.2, that's not bad. it's above average 7.2 out of what okay is it out of a 10 oh wow out of 10 yes all right so my

46:46Justin Andrews:friend did last it was like 6.3 or something so my symmetry and i'm not even looking straight at the camera guys yeah symmetry 7.3 proportion 7.1 bone structure 7.6 skin quality 6.8 wow oily

47:01Sal Di Stefano:7.4 for justin well how okay justin is more handsome that's not bad winning yeah you're doing good. AI likes you more. I've been nice to AI. Okay, so let's go for Adam here. So 7.3, 7.4. We're all close. Oh, yeah. Can you even use my own Zipic picture? And you know why? My cheeks aren't as fat there. Oh, maybe

47:27Justin Andrews:that's the factor, bro. 7.6? Oh, that's... Crushed us. You're almost an 8, dude. They gave me an 8 in bone structure? No. Is that an 8 in bone structure? Yes. eight. Oh, that's good, dude. Did Doug on there? No, they didn't do me. Put Doug in there. Don't put him in there. He's going to beat all of us. Let's do it. Let's put Doug in there and see what's going on.

47:48Sal Di Stefano:I mean, we're all kind of close. We are close. I'm barely more handsome. Dang. I was out for more discrepancy. Yeah, you can't be talking like that. I'm.2 more handsome, dog. Now you know you're a solid seven. I'm not even a full point more handsome. but hey we're all just a bunch of average a bunch of mids you know how much I care about this rating I don't I don't, not at all I don't know, but I bet Doug's going to be up there Kyle's pretty handsome Kyle's pretty handsome you gotta be careful, he works for us Will Will's pretty handsome Will you stop ranking our staff on how they look at him they work for you why are we waiting for Doug's results I got dude I read this has to be one of the most crazy terrifying things I've ever read uh in a long time like a stud like a story which is uh it's it's actually it's crazy all right so let me read to you guys what happened uh to this poor young uh lady so this 19 year old girl uh who went went to a coma for three weeks so she was in a coma for three weeks in her coma she lived a life that lasted seven years so in her coma she literally sounds like a black mirror bro and this can happen i looked it up that's crazy this can actually happen this it's rare but it can happen so in while she was in a coma she lived an entire life that lasted seven years in that seven-year life she gave birth to triplets named them lost one shortly after birth when she came out of the coma she asked for her kids and everybody's like that you don't have kids what are you talking about she's like what do you mean i raised them i raised my kids i live with them i had a whole life so this poor girl now is going through uh therapy she woke up with grief because she had these kids that she loved and raised that didn't exist.

49:49What? How old was she again? 19. 19. Isn't that crazy? That's insane. And she was in the coma for how long again? Three months. Three months, but thought she lived seven. It felt like seven years. So there was a novelist, Karen Levitt, who wrote about her own coma in 2021. She also experienced it.

50:09Sal Di Stefano:Dude, I would love to see her do one of those sketch artists and actually have her describe her kids.

50:14Justin Andrews:Well, how long was she in the coma again? Three months. Just it. that's it but she lived seven years in her mind so another woman wrote about this that happened to her too was in psychology today in 2021 she said waking up felt like being pulled violently from one world to another where she like she was in another dimension living you ever watch rick and morty you've seen yeah there's this one episode where there's this arcade game uh and they plug in and morty lives this whole life as a little boy they show him growing up he has a family he has a heart attack comes out of it yes and then he dies in old life and they pull a plug and he's like crying like oh my family it's like that dude wow i i'm so terrifying it's a bit scary all right yeah oh my god i know yeah i didn't know that was real like i thought that was just some narrative like somebody came up with you know to make a cool story no apparently it happens it's rare but it can happen when people are in a coma yeah it's the same thing is like you know you hear about when people hit their head really hard, get some kind of traumatic brain injury, and all of a sudden they're a savant of some kind of, like they can, you know, play, or they can like speak Mandarin.

51:21Sal Di Stefano:Think about some of your, I mean, you guys have had probably dreams at night before that. Seemed real. Well, not only seem real, but also are like days long or like the dream, like the actual, the dream only lasts two hours, but like it's a whole story. Yeah. Right. Could you imagine feeling like you lived seven years? Well, I know that's what, it's crazy. but you can see how that could play out and it's like a if a night when i fall asleep and i could have three different dreams in that night and all three have a full-on plot and you know probably felt like a whole day each of them when it was really only have you guys ever lucid dreamed yeah yeah oh yeah all the time really when i was a kid all the time so you could you knew your dream yes literally manipulate i would do it i would i would fly i would i remember when i learned how to do that.

52:05Sal Di Stefano:I remember as a kid understanding that dreams were something bad was going to happen, I could change it. I could make myself wake up. So I could make myself in a scary dream. You change the scenario. Yes. Yeah, same. So you know how I learned how to do it? It was from scary dreams. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'd have these terrifying dreams. There was a period of time when I was a kid when I was getting these nightmares and someone told me, pinch yourself. You ever hear this? Pinch yourself, see if you're sleeping or dreaming and so i remembered it my dream i pinched myself and i'm like wait a minute i don't maybe i am dreaming and then i jumped off a cliff uh in my dream to get away and when i hit the ground i woke up so this i realized like that's a way to wake up out of a bad dream but then i learned how to just wake up and then it turned into well i'm not going to just wake up i'm not scared this is my dream yeah now i'm going to do whatever i want which is actually harder than you think yeah because like the matrix you have to believe yeah so i remember i would dream that i could fly and i'd start flying but i'd question it and i hit the ground yeah and i have to keep practicing over and over but i haven't been able to do this oh you know i just remember this the

53:07Justin Andrews:the comma thing reminds me of inception on some level because it's like you're yeah the further down you go like the longer the time links did you ever see that one woman i don't know if you ever see this video i think she hit her head real hard or something like that and she came out and she had a Chinese accent? Yeah. Yeah.

53:27Sal Di Stefano:It's almost like... British woman. British woman. Oh, that would be funny coming out of a British woman. British woman gets Chinese accent from head trauma. You can see the video of her talking. It's... Shut up. Yeah, dude. Oh, my God. It's like she's poking everybody. Yeah. That's it. She's trolling her. Do you guys remember... This was a thing when we were in high school. Right here. Right here. After a stroke, she woke up... Watch. Did you guys go... Hey, did you guys go to school? Did you guys ever go to school with any girls that traveled abroad for a summer or something like that? I remember two different - She came back with an accent?

53:58Sal Di Stefano:Yes, came back with the accent. Yeah, yeah. That's embarrassing. Yeah, it's totally embarrassing.

54:03Justin Andrews:It is. Come on. You know, it's a thing. It's called foreign accent syndrome. Yeah, but click on her video, dude. Foreign accent syndrome. It's kind of messed up, dude. This is a British woman speaking. Cheerio. Yeah, no, no, watch. Let me play. Okay, let me. Watch. in England it's a dead set pong

54:19Sal Di Stefano:who now sounds like she's from Shanghai it wasn't until I was in the ambulance on the way to the hospital oh my god oh my god oh the way USB gang and I said oh I sound like a wrestler and she said no you sound like you can work at a Chinese restaurant

54:40Justin Andrews:that's messed up dude why are we laughing I don't know

54:43Sal Di Stefano:it doesn't look right it sucks

54:44Justin Andrews:because it's like yeah she's not trying to do that and it's not like she's speaking it's not like she's speaking Chinese that's why no it's like broken English if that ever happened what do you guys I would roast you all day long I would roast you all day long I would roast you all day long I would roast you I would roast you Adam wakes up with a Jamaican accent something like that I would just roast you all day long I can only hope for that

55:09Sal Di Stefano:I would hope for something like that to happen oh my gosh maybe the best podcast I would make for great content for like the next year, dude. Are you faking it? You're like, yeah, man. No, man, I'm just faking it. What are you doing, Adam? Oh, my God. Hey, all right, I'm going to tell you the subject. So, you know, okay, seed, you know, they make their probiotics, their main product, but you know they have the multivitamin. Did I tell you guys about this? I take it. Do you like it? I take it daily, right? I do too. It's a great, it is a great multivitamin. And there's new studies that are showing that people who take multivitamins regularly have lower biological age because, and they're putting it to the multivitamin because of the fact that nutrient deficiencies are so common.

55:51Justin Andrews:I know it's like, you know, it's sort of association, but like my house has been consistently taking it for the last, I don't know, like six months. And it was like, no, like a lot of colds have come and gone through, but we haven't, we've been very healthy and it's not like it's been not stressful. You know, multivitamin, in early days of fitness, I was taught that it was a waste of money. Later, I was taught, there was a study where, and we've talked about this, where dieticians were trying to create. That's what changed my mind about. A diet, a natural diet. And they had like full freedom to like combine whatever foods you want.

56:29How many calories does a perfect nutrient diet have in terms of micronutrients? It was like 3 ,000 calories.

56:34Sal Di Stefano:It was 3 ,500 and a serving of liver every week. I remember this clearly. It's what changed my mind on multivitamins. The first half of my career as a trainer, I remember shitting on multivitamins. That's right. You get all that from food, blah, blah, blah. Nope. So you're basically deficient. You're either deficient or you're just not optimal. What is it? And so it's like, it's an inexpensive supplement that I think everybody should take, multivitamins. Seed does such a good job with how they deliver the nutrients. Yeah, the delivery system. Yes, because that makes a big difference. Dumb question because I should know the answer to this.

57:07Sal Di Stefano:what is it in a multivitamin that will make you nauseous if you eat it on an empty stomach uh i don't do that it doesn't happen to me but it does happen to some people it's probably the vitamins oh that's not everybody no oh i thought everybody no i can take bro i could take can you take a multivitamin empty stomach no i can't oh yeah i can't either see three out of four of us cannot no i totally can oh yeah it'll make me nauseous almost 100 of the time i know especially if i do like a caffeine empty stomach and that oh really oh god that's like i've made that mistake so many times in my life where I'm just not thinking about it and I'm trying to be consistent.

57:41Sal Di Stefano:And I'm like, I haven't ate yet. So eating with a multi, although seed, their delivery process makes a big difference, but it is a good - I kind of want to experiment with that. See if it bothers you. Yeah. I bet you it'd be better. But what I was going to say is all multivitamins are probably better to take with food because of the fat that you have in the food with the fat-soluble vitamins and helps slow down the digestion so it can get where it needs to. So it's probably a good idea to always take a multi. with food yeah but i don't get nauseous from any i can take anything on empty stomach i can take all any anything else it's multivitamins multivitamin on an empty stomach will make me nauseous wouldn't 10 out of 10 times yeah i haven't because i know that and i've only been taking the seed for you take it with food yeah i've i've known i've known to do that i take it after lunchtime is when you normally see you take it and so uh but that makes me curious to see if that one because of the way the capsules are yeah but i don't want to i really don't want to risk Because then I feel like shit for like two hours.

58:38Oh, no, zinc. Iron or zinc. Iron or zinc. Because it irritates the stomach lining. Interesting. Oh, God. Yeah. I thought it was the B vitamins. No, the B vitamins are why your pee gets so yellow from them. One more UFO thing. We've been doing this every episode. Did you see Japan is doing disclosures? No. Japan says we have information, and we're going to start disclosing. Oh, wow. It's so weird to me that all of us were on the same page of that. I think it's going to be our allies. I think it's us and our allies are going to be. So do you know what they released? A video? So I know they've released information, but is there anything significant so far?

59:16Apparently the stuff that's going to make us all shaking our boots is coming. But so far what they've released are videos and stuff. Yeah, they're just teasing us right now. So Japan has these videos the government released. Remember they had their big earthquake that caused the Fukushima nuclear power plant that whole deal over there. I remember what year that was. But when that happened. 2012 or so. Was it 2012? There were several warbs flying over the area that they were monitoring that then disappeared. And there's always a lot of speculation around UFOs and nuclear, anything nuclear.

59:50Justin Andrews:Yeah, any kind of natural disaster they've noticed or like around nuclear plants and stuff like that. Oh, by the way, you know who else said that aliens are demons? That one priest you talked about, who was on that podcast, Father Chad Ripperger, who does all the exorcisms. Yeah. Yeah. And he said, if you actually look at what the aliens are supposedly doing, it is identical to the same things the demons do to people who are possessed. If you strip the veneer of the alien aspect of it off, in point of fact, what you're dealing with is they're just demons. So this is an actual expert on demons.

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1:01:26Justin Andrews:Our first caller is Nathan from South Carolina. What's up, Nathan? Hey, what's going on? So about six months ago, I was almost 300 pounds. And so I'm 22 now. I'm at like 195, 6 '4". And so what started it was, let's see, one day I was like heavy drinking. You know, I was really unhealthy. My buddy hit me up. He told me I look rough and I should do the 75 hard challenge. And that's what started it all. So I did that. I used AI through most of it and then turns out half of that was wrong.

1:02:05Sal Di Stefano:So I thought,

1:02:08Justin Andrews:I thought I was eating 1800 calories. It turns out I was eating around 1500, 1600 calories every day. This was what I did when I started out. So, Christmas and Thanksgiving came around. I kind of dropped off. And then after that, I went on like a hard 1 ,400 cut for like a month. And now currently I'm sitting at 195. Chad GPT is around 14, 16 % body fat.

1:02:38Justin Andrews:and now I'm working out on a chat GBT provided workout plan and that's what I'm doing now

1:02:48Sal Di Stefano:how are the calories right now? hold on why did you call us?

1:02:53Justin Andrews:so I don't know where to go from where I'm at I don't know what to do I just stopped using AI all together recently about a couple months ago Hey, can we back up for a second? Because I was reading your email, and you wrote in your email what your friend said to you. Yeah, he called me a fat piece of shit. That's a good buddy right there. Yeah, I can. That's a good buddy. Hey, it's good to have friends like that. Hey, are you familiar with, there's a proverb, Proverb 27, 17. It's like, as iron sharpens iron, one man sharpens another. It's so crazy, because it's like, you know, for people listening to this, guys get this.

1:03:31So women listening are like, oh my God, your friend said that to you? I can't believe it. But, like, when you got a close buddy, it's pretty interesting what they can say to you that'll get you to move in a particular direction. So he must be a good friend of yours for that to work.

1:03:44Justin Andrews:Yeah, he's the one that got me kicked. So, like, a week later, I think he said that. I locked in. I went cold turkey on alcohol because I was drinking every day for, like, two years. I went cold turkey on that. I got lucky because apparently there could be serious health problems with doing that. Yeah, good for you, bro. First off, incredible discipline. That's a hard thing to stop. The alcohol plus the eating, those are both ways of self-medicating something. So phenomenal. Now, where you're at now, there's a very clear path to getting you to a place where you're going to feel way better, way stronger, and it's going to be much more sustainable.

1:04:26Yeah. Okay? what we need to do is we need to do it are you have you listened to the podcast have you heard

1:04:31Justin Andrews:us talk about reverse dieting yeah so okay so for me listening to y 'all so i found y 'all in january i started reverse dieting and in the middle of january because i was at like 1800 calories so right now i'm maintenance seeing uh 3000 calories right now oh good job good job and you're and you're are you lifting weights or you're still doing the the garbage 75 whatever it's called uh yeah i'm lifting weights i'm doing some strength training by like ai okay how many

1:04:56Sal Di Stefano:days a week are you lifting right now?

1:04:59Justin Andrews:I try to go for three or four.

1:05:01Sal Di Stefano:Alright. Is it full body or is it like a split?

1:05:04Justin Andrews:So I listen to you. I switch to full body. Good. How's your strength?

1:05:13Justin Andrews:I guess I can bench 205 for two reps. I can squat 235. Okay. How was this versus how you started? Like, how big of an improvement was that for you? I've seen a lot of strength gains because I started around 125, 130 on bench, and I'm close to 200 now. Yeah, dude. Yeah, you're doing good. And are you seeing pretty good strength gains through the reverse diet? Yeah, yeah. I feel so much more better and way stronger.

1:05:45Sal Di Stefano:I bet. Bro, you're killing it. Are you maintaining weight, too, at 3 ,000 calories? Are you holding around 195? Is that where you're at?

1:05:52Justin Andrews:I'm flexing between 180 and 185, yeah.

1:05:56Sal Di Stefano:and eating 3000 you're doing great so what are the challenges that you're running into right now are there any challenges or are you just asking us to see if you're on the right track

1:06:06Justin Andrews:so right now I feel like really small I want to get bigger I feel like really skinny I'll send you a program that'll help yeah

1:06:17Sal Di Stefano:if you've been holding your weight around 185 190 and you're at 3000 calories we can jump to 3500 put you on a program and then you will start gaining. Yeah, I'm down with that. What's your protein intake at? You hitting at least 200 grams?

1:06:33Justin Andrews:I think around, it's flexor weights between 200 to 225. Oh, you're great, bro. Let's put you on mass power lift. Yeah, I'll do that. Let's get you strong as hell. Bump your calories between, you know, four to 500 calories. And let's get you really strong. And then there's a second part to your question. You might want to be a trainer. Yeah, I was looking into being a trainer. I got a CBT workout, like a certificate training course, and I've been setting up on that. I've listened to every podcast so far for the Academy podcast. Good. Oh, good. I've done the 30 days of coaching, and I've listened to over 100 episodes of yours.

1:07:14Oh, good. That's great, bro. So you got the NASM CBT? Is that what you're on?

1:07:18Justin Andrews:It's called Action CBT, a cheaper version. Have you finished it yet? or are you just getting into it? I'm still in the middle of taking my classes. Okay, good deal. After that, look at our course because it will teach you how to build your business. And I'm just to encourage you, Nathan, in my experience, one of the best ways to maintain what you're doing, including the sobriety, is to train other people. Like when you start to pour, because right now you're fixing you and you've done a great job, dude. This is like an incredible success story. but one of the best ways to maintain that is to pour into other people is to help other people through this process and through that that'll give you so much more it's so rewarding especially if you like people especially if you want to help people especially if you feel so blessed by what you've been able to accomplish being a personal trainer will be so amazing for you dude so in so many different ways doing really good bro doing really good especially from where you came from

1:08:17Sal Di Stefano:how hard you went and then to be back up to 3 000 calories holding your weight that's you're in a

1:08:23Justin Andrews:good place dude in a really good place growing up i didn't really have a mentor and anybody to look up to so i didn't really have like a career or future to choose and then i started listening to y 'all it's like they like snapped in me it's like dang i want to be a personal trainer what a fun what a what a blessing bro what an absolute blessing you mind if i ask you a couple but just because because there's someone listening right now who i think who could really benefit from hearing more about your story. Do you mind if I ask you a couple more questions? Yeah, that's fine. Okay. How do you feel emotionally, mentally now versus before?

1:08:59Because obviously you're not self-medicating with the food and the alcohol, but now you're working out, you're eating, you're strength training. What's the difference in how you feel, lifestyle, all that stuff?

1:09:10Justin Andrews:I feel great. I don't feel as much stress as I used to. I mean I feel I feel like I can move more every day I don't feel lazy anymore I don't feel like sitting around the house like I used to I want to get out and do something and I basically just want to be more productive and keep moving to be honest that's great dude that's great bro thanks for calling in man yeah

1:09:29Sal Di Stefano:yeah we'll send over the Mavs Power Lift to you bump your calories to about 3500 calories maintain that through the whole program you want to get back on in three months I'd love to talk to you again yeah

1:09:39Justin Andrews:yeah I'm down yeah I'm down with that Let's do it, bro, and keep in touch with us. Yeah, yeah. Report back.

1:09:44Sal Di Stefano:3 ,500, follow Power Lift, just get strong, and watch what happens in three months. All right, man.

1:09:50Justin Andrews:Appreciate you.

1:09:50Sal Di Stefano:You got it, brother. Bro, great story. Yeah. Great story. What a testament to just how resilient the body can be at a young age like that. Yeah. To be able to cut that hard, that aggressive, and then instantly he can be back up to 3 ,000 calories. You also are looking at, it's not just the cut in calories. What you're looking at was the amount that he was probably drinking, because we didn't get into it, but it sounded like it was a problem. It sounded like it was a problem. How damaging that is to the body. And the reason why it sounds like it's a lot is because he said the way he stopped could have been dangerous.

1:10:32In order for that to happen, you have to be drinking a lot.

1:10:34Sal Di Stefano:Well, and to put on that much weight, that much weight on a 6 '4 body frame is, at that young of an age, means you're putting down calories. But just not even just that. There's a certain level of alcohol consumption where it gets so bad that if you cut cold turkey, you can actually die because of the withdrawal. So he must have been drinking a lot. So the switch, thankfully, he was okay with it, but it made him so much healthier, which is where we get a lot of the resilience. and it's just such an incredible success story but I do love how he talked about his friend and you know what this is just listen I'm saying this

1:11:11Justin Andrews:there is a difference between men and women and how we receive certain information and guys know this if you have a buddy that you trust they can say things to you that nobody else can say super blunt and it can snap you into action which is great and I'm glad that it worked for them and I can't wait to hear about his success. And to be honest with you guys, just between us, I want to keep hearing about this because these are the kind of trainers I want working for us, these kind of success stories. Our next caller is Cindy from Connecticut. Hi, Cindy. How are you doing, Cindy? Hello. How are you?

1:11:45Good. How can we help you? Good. I have a little bit of history. First of all, thank you so much for letting me be on here. I have a little bit of history to tell you. um not not too remote but in uh 2024 I began taking terzepatide for weight loss and during this time I would listen to your podcast and um I would listen because I wanted information on muscle building because I knew that fast weight loss can stimulate um muscle loss so um um i knew i would hear that you said um that you needed to bulk to uh gain muscle and as i listened to that i was like oh baloney i didn't like that everything else you had to say but i just kind of was like no no so during that time i was a family or i am a family nurse practitioner and I owned my own practice and I was prescribing semaglutide.

1:12:52And I would always tell my patients, make sure you lift weights, eat at least 100 grams of protein. Now I know that that's not enough, but from my own experience. And so I would impress that upon them. But fast forward to March of 2025, I found out I had breast cancer and I had to have a double mastectomy and then breast reconstruction. So during that time, weightlifting was not an option. I stopped taking the terzepatide, which is what most people know is Zep bound. So during that time, I couldn't lift weights because I had one surgery, couldn't lift weights, had another surgery. So 2025 was not that great for weightlifting.

1:13:48So I started lifting weights in November for about a month. In June of last year, I found out that I had osteoporosis, and I declined the medications and wanted to do lifestyle to see if I could reverse that. So my endocrinologist, God bless her, sent me to physical therapy. And I had been reading about the Liftmore trials, and I knew I wanted to do that. Once I found out I had osteoporosis, I realized that you really have to lift heavy. So I was concerned about hurting myself, and my plan was to hire a personal trainer. But she sent me to PT. During this time, I sold my practice because when I found out I had osteoporosis, I was like, that's it.

1:14:46I'm done. Sold my practice, and I'm going to be a gym rat in the garden. That was my plan. So I went to the physical therapist and I started out training and December 5th was my first day. I barbell squatted 55 pounds and just this Monday I barbell squat 110. So I'm increasing. Deadlift started out at 75, ended up at 115. but I, in December I had a DEXA scan because I wanted to see exactly how much muscle mass I had. Not so much for bone density, I already had that, but fat and muscle mass. So I had, I had gained 12 pounds during this time. I was trusting the process, but I gained 12 pounds and um i seven and a half pounds of it in 13 weeks was muscle yes very good and i i'm 61 years old i'm five five for they tell me five four five four and a half now but um i started out at 153 and i'm now 164 so i um i have been consuming 130 to 150 grams of protein without fail daily good Since, I guess, November.

1:16:16I'm eating much cleaner. My calories have been about 1 ,750 per day. For the past five weeks, it's been about 1 ,900. And I've gained, I think, five pounds in the past month. um i walk a lot and um but i'm increasing that now that the weather's getting nicer but i i want to know am i at a point where i could start to cut calories no because i'm still i'm still gaining weight no no no you're still too low cindy we still gotta go more yeah first let me start off you're so lovely uh i really appreciate you calling in um and i like you a lot and I think you're moving in the right direction but you're scared of the scale and I'm just going to tell you if you we got to make a choice here yeah what's more important to you bone strength and longevity or the scale you got to make a choice right now okay yeah so 100 % if I was coaching you we don't even need the scale I would not let you weigh yourself because that's going to mess with you okay definitely not in a place to cut you're at 1900 calories where are we're going to go?

1:17:2514 calories. We'll see a little bit of weight loss and then we'll plateau and we'll stop all the strength gains and muscle gains and increases in bone density that we're seeing. Bone density increases follow strength increases. Now muscle mass is a proxy for strength. So muscle gain is great. The best measure is, or the best correlate to bone density is increased tension on the bone, which comes from strength. Right. So that's what we're looking for is strength. So if you're going to track anything, it's going to be strength. That's the most important thing. Are you working with the trainer, by the way?

1:18:02Or you're working with a PT to do all this? Right. Well, so I was working with the PT since December up until Monday this week, and I'm done with her because insurance is paying for it because I have the osteoporosis diagnosis. But they're not going to let me, they're not going to pay for a personal trainer. So I'm pretty independent. I'm independent. I know when I need to increase the weights and stuff. And I have a membership at Planet Fitness with my son. So we're going to be going there. So I have a couple of questions about that because now I'm going to be by myself. And I have to be able to, you know, cause I never thought I could lift as heavy as what she showed me.

1:18:51I never would have done it if I didn't, hadn't had a trainer at all. And you're, and you're going to get a lot stronger than that. Is working with a trainer once a week feasible?

1:19:05Um, well, I have a lot of, um, ideas. There's a, there's a new gym in our area that has like group.

1:19:14Sal Di Stefano:no no no no group no no you got you need one-on-one yeah but but i need to know if it's feasible because then i have some other potential options for you well i don't know what what resources it would okay so typically where are you located i might have better okay so a personal trainer is probably going to cost you anywhere between 70 to 100 a session a good one so you're probably looking at three four to five hundred bucks a month four to five hundred dollars a month to work with a good trainer and the kind of trainer that you're going to want in person is someone with a correctional exercise background and someone with experience training people like you okay okay so that's what you want to work with right and so those are the questions how long have you been training people uh and uh have you been have you trained a lot of people like me In fact, if you go into a gym, the best way to find this out is to talk to the fitness manager.

1:20:09And you're going to tell them, I want to work with a trainer. I will hire a trainer, but here's what I'm looking for. Then the fitness manager will know who to set you up with. And then you could take it from there. But you wouldn't need more than once a week with a trainer.

1:20:22Sal Di Stefano:That's your best option. If that's not an option or that's not feasible, then for under$100 a month, you could join our Muscle Mommy group, which I think you'd get tremendous value. And that's more like virtual coaching. It's virtual coaching, but you're meeting. We have once a week meets in there. It's all women. Most of them are on reverse diets or working on very similar goals as you have. And so it's an incredible community of other women trying to build muscle, reverse dieting. And one of our best coaches, two of our best coaches are in there and they're in their weekly meeting with all the ladies.

1:20:57Sal Di Stefano:And so that would be a great option. Obviously, in person, like Sal's recommending, would be the best. Yeah, because that would allow someone to actually take you through the exercises and watch your form and do all that stuff. How long were you working with a physical therapist? Since December 5th. Okay. So, I mean, if you strength train and do it well and work with a coach for the next, let's say, six months to a year, that is about as long as it'll take for you to be able to get a really good feel for how to perform exercises and how to progressively overload yourself. It does take that long.

1:21:34So people often think, well, I just need to learn the exercise, but there's a much longer learning process with knowing what it feels like to go heavier and how to lift properly and all that stuff. So it would be about six months to a year, but once a week is all you would need. And I'm not joking. You would only need once a week with a trainer. And then another day a week, you could go to the gym and do the easy strength training stuff. So you could leave the easy exercises for yourself to go in. And so you're only going to let strength train twice a week. That's it. The rest of the week. That's all I have then.

1:22:05Yeah. Good. That's good. And all you would do the rest of the week is walk and you would see nice, consistent increases in strength. And I I would want you to eat more calories. I still would want you to bump your calories. I think a good start would be to go up 200 calories. A good start would go up 200 more. Okay.

1:22:28Sal Di Stefano:And then the goal would be to stay there. And then when we start seeing strength increases and or, this is where the coaching is nice, right, is because I'd be talking to you on a weekly basis. If I hear you telling me things like, man, Adam, my appetite's increasing. That's a good sign to me. That means our metabolism is kicking up, and then I'd probably bump you again. So I'm watching both strength, and I'm listening to you with appetite. And if I hear appetite increases, I'm bumping calories. If I start to see strength grains in the gym, I'm bumping calories. So you can support that continued growth.

1:23:00Yeah, and this is what, just to comfort you and encourage you a little bit, this is what fat loss looks like when you do it through strength training. You tend to go up first before you see the fat loss. Right. Okay. So, so, so, and that why, because the metabolic rate kicks up with the muscle, then the fat loss starts to happen. Weighing yourself on the scale is going to mess with your head through this process. I promise you. I know. I know. I know. I know. You're right. You're right. You're right. But I will say this, uh, uh, building bone and I have more questions for you, but I'll get to, but building bone is as predictable and consistent as building muscle.

1:23:40it's not this it's not this mysterious weird thing like oh my god how do we do this yeah it's literally you will it's consistent uh and predictable as building muscle barring any crazy autoimmune issue or something like that okay uh right it's very i've done it so many times with people and the two things that prevent it from happening are inadequate nutrient so it could be not enough calories that's very common it could be a nutrient deficiency Sometimes the women that I would train were so afraid of eating too much fat that their fat intake was too low. And so I'd have to bump their fat intake.

1:24:18In other words, Cindy, I wouldn't want you eating anything less than like 65 grams of fat a day. I don't know what your fat intake looks like. About 85. Okay, you're good. Good, good. I document everything. I have it, you know, being a nurse practitioner, I have my calories, the protein. I have it so dialed in. I don't really know what to do with the fat and carbs, though. I used to be a very low carber. No, whatever feels good.

1:24:43Sal Di Stefano:Whatever feels right to you. So what I would do with you is I would play with the two of them. In other words, one week, the way we get those extra 200 calories, I would bump your fats, and I'd ask you, how does that feel? How's your digestion? And then you'd give me feedback. Do you like eating that? Hopefully, if you don't, then I'd say, hey, next week, let's get those extra 200 calories with carbs. And then I'd say, how do you feel? All the same questions. And then we'd do something somewhere in the middle, half from carbs, half of it and like really because at that point if you're hitting protein intake you're hitting a good minimum number of fat like salsa if you're hitting 80 grams you're doing good so if you're doing if you're getting the minimum i want of fat you're getting the what we need protein then we can really divide up the carbs and fat however you like yep yep however you like and whatever makes you feel better whatever and and most importantly since the main thing we should all be focusing on right now is strength that's actually what i'm wanting to know the most from you is like hey which ones are fueling those workouts when you eat 200 grams of carbs or something, does that all of a sudden make you have great workouts or does it not?

1:25:40Sal Di Stefano:Does it make you feel lethargic and you don't feel good? So I would like to hear your performance from messing with those. Well, it's funny. Um, um, after I wrote this letter to you that, so that was about a month ago, um, I started getting really, really achy and fatigued, you know, and not achy, like, you know, like doms or anything like that. Just like this joint hurts, this spot hurts. So now it moved over here, blah, blah, blah. So I was talking to my trainer and she said, why don't we deload you? Yeah. So a couple of weeks ago we did, instead of doing four sets, we did two sets for two weeks.

1:26:20Did it feel better? I did. I felt a lot better. Good. But yeah, so I went back to my full thing. So could that be I needed more calories or just, it was just time to just take a break? It could be both. It could be both. Yeah, so they've done studies on deloads and well-trained athletes, like young men, okay, well-trained athletes. So we're talking about even a category where they have even greater recovery and all that stuff. The groups that do the deload week build 20 % to 29 % more strength and muscle than the ones that don't. So it's just the recovery thing. Now, lack of calories can definitely hamper recovery, so it could have been both.

1:26:58But I think your physical therapist was totally right on point. uh i'm assuming you're supplementing with all the essential nutrients you probably have your vitamin d levels i've got okay i'm i take um essential amino acids i read that um the essential amino acids that are not the branch chain amino acids not not only help with osteoporosis because you build muscle but they also support osteoblast activity yes and suppress osteoclasts that's right And I was like, I'm buying, I'm taking more. I'm spending a lot of money. Are you taking creatine? Yes. Good. Yeah. 20, 20 grams a day. Oh, you're killing it.

1:27:40I'm very puffy. No, no, no. You're doing great. You're doing great. And for, for bone, for bone density, you don't even need 20 grams. Shilajit, I take that too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're doing great. You're, you're, you're doing everything right. You're doing good. Yeah. We just bumped the calories, uh, work with a good trainer. I know it's a large investment but it will set you up it'll set you up forever

1:28:01Sal Di Stefano:if you can't do that at least get in the muscle mommy movement you will get a lot of value here's the perfect this would be the perfect formula Cindy I'll give you the perfect perfect formula you would work with one of our coaches in what we call concierge coaching and here's why that would be a good addition they'll help you with the reverse diet they'll help you through the process that's what they'll focus on the nutrition aspect of it they will also be able to coach you to find the right trainer Whenever I recommend somebody go find a personal trainer, there's always a piece of me, and I hate to say this because this is my field, but there's always a piece of me that's like, man, I hope they find a good trainer.

1:28:35Because they're lost our fingers. Yeah, with the Lift More trial, I mean, not everybody knows about that because you've got to lift heavy. It's not just that. It's not just that. There are a lot of trainers that know exercises, but there's not a lot of trainers that know how to train people appropriately. It sounds like the physical therapist you work with was good. but there's a lot of trainers out there that they'll just beat you up. They'll just put you through a crazy workout, make you sweat. They don't understand correctional exercise. So if you're working with one of our coaches in conjunction, you can ask them questions and they'll help coach you to find the right coach that you could work with.

1:29:14And if you work with both of them, you're, you're perfect. You've got not, you've got the diet, you've got the workout, maybe give yourself six months of this. At the end of that, you can reassess. Do I feel like I'm good going off on my own? It is a large investment, but it's not a forever one. And then you'd be totally set. And here's the other question. Are you on Novodex or are they doing anything hormonally with you? Are they blocking estrogen receptors? Are they doing anything like that? Tamoxifen. My oncologist wanted me on estrogen blockers. I wouldn't go on it. I'm a bad patient. Because, you know, what am I going to do?

1:29:50I'm going to take this medication that's going to turn me into a 90-year-old in six months. and I won't be able to lift a feather. Yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay, we're good then. That was just another consideration. Yeah. I have another question. I went from deadlift at 105 pounds to 115. I don't know if that was too big of a jump in a month, but I feel like my lower back is so tired. And when I first started doing deadlifts, it was like I had a new life and I could empty the dishwasher without strain in my back. I could feed the chickens without strain in my back. I could, you know, everything was easy.

1:30:29Now I feel like my back is like vulnerable. Yeah, it depends on your technique, the intensity, how you're progressing. I'd have to watch you to know if that -

1:30:41Justin Andrews:The frequency of that exercise. Yeah, so let me do this. Let me have one of our coaches call you. They can answer more questions. concierge coaching uh when they call you say hey sal mentioned concierge coaching essentially you would meet with them uh monthly and they would work on your nutrition but then they'd also coach you on finding a good coach and then they can work together for you i want you to do that or

1:31:04Sal Di Stefano:the muscle mommy movement at the bare minimum sydney because even with that so to what you're asking about the deadlift you're you're one of our trainers would have you video yourself deadlifting and they'd be able to coach you virtually and say oh i noticed this or and they'll be able to be able to look at the way you move and be able to give you some, some feedback at least. Obviously coaching with a trainer in person, that's good is ideal. But if at the very minimum, having someone with a virtually will help too. So we're going to help you through this. Okay. Thank you so much. I really enjoy your show and thank you for, you know, how you stand on your faith and everything, you know, thank you.

1:31:41Yeah. I appreciate that. I love that. I do too. I appreciate it. I like how you talk about it. You know, Jesus said that, you know, any man declares me before men, I will declare him before the Father. And you're doing that. That's awesome. Thank you so much. And you are doing a great job, Cindy. You are. You wait, you see, if you do this right and you're consistent and you train properly, you're going to see your bone density improve. It's very, very predictable. Thank you. You got it. Some people say, oh, no, you can't do it on your own. Can't be done. Can't be done. Yeah. You're doing it. You're doing it.

1:32:18I've done it every single time I've tried. You're doing it. Stay the course. Yeah. It takes work. It's easy to take a pill or take a shot. That's right. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Well, great job. 100%. Yeah. I hope I see you with our coaches. If they end up working with you, I'll pop in and say hi. Okay, great. Thank you. Thanks, Andy. All right. All right. Take care. Bye-bye. You know, I'm so glad she said that last part about bone density. the reason why it's so hard to increase bone density is because it requires systematic application yeah of proper strength training and proper diet and it takes coaching it is not a prescription you tell you tell the average person with osteoporosis or osteopenia uh oh you got to go lift weights and then make sure you eat right huh yeah what does that look like weight-bearing exercise uh i guess i wear a weight vest when i walk or maybe i'll go try something they don't know intensity they don't know exercise a long conversation and then and then on top of it oftentimes uh this is people who are afraid of gaining weight and so then like her her calories they weren't even super low but they're still too low and so you have women i've trained i've worked with so many women who've come to me who've been osteopenia so this is before osteoporosis we're like but i lift weights i don't know what's going on i look at their diet you're not eating enough let's bump your calories boom bone density goes up yep our next caller is rodney from Wisconsin.

1:33:36What's up, Rodney? Hey, guys.

1:33:40Justin Andrews:Thanks for all the content and everything you do. I'll just jump right into it because I don't want to forget something here. Alright, I'm 49 years old, 6 foot and 210 pounds. I'm a husband and father of two girls, ages 10 and 6. We are quite busy, especially now as I coach both girls' softball teams and the oldest doesn't travel. I consistently eat 200 grams of protein and I'm currently eating about 3 ,200 calories a day I average 10 ,000 steps a day I take magnesium glycinate and ashwagandha and my diet is about 90 % whole foods I work 4 10 hour days as a delivery driver for a major soda brand which can be quite physical So prior to last September, I was training for ultramarathons and did that for about the past five years or so.

1:34:39Justin Andrews:And I would run anywhere from 30 to 80 miles a week. And I also lifted one to two times a week, too. I realized I enjoyed being in the gym more than running because it felt like a part-time job. And so I started anabolic. I recognized that that was too much. So I switched to MAPS-15. At first, I was skeptical, thinking it wasn't enough. But my strength started going up in the gym and at work. And I just felt more energetic overall. So the beginning of this year, I started working on sleep, which is difficult because I wake up at 3 a.m. for work. But I'm trying to get in bed by 8, 8.30 now. So ultimately, I'd like to get to 15 % body fat because I just feel like I'm doing all the right things.

1:35:31Justin Andrews:So I started Cemetery 15 on a cut at 2 ,500 calories. But I started to feel more sluggish at work and at the gym. So I pushed my calories back up to 3 ,200. And it was like instantly within a few days, I felt better, stronger, less we're going up again. And so I feel like I'm ready to take off. I just need the right flight plan. You know what I'm saying? So I keep trying to push up the calories and then just cut them slowly. My thought was power lift 15 after this. I'm in phase three right now, symmetry 15. There's two approaches. So you got a pretty busy life. You move a lot because of your job.

1:36:18Your sleep is not optimal. I know you're working on it, but you're probably getting six and a half hours most nights, right? At best. At best, right? So that really plays a big role in recovery and stuff like that. There's really two approaches with this. Approach one is you hover around 3 ,200. You manage your sleep, like focus on that, and just let your body slowly improve. the option two is you bump your calories uh and see where that where that takes in how do you feel what you don't want to do is go on any cuts i don't i think a cut for you would be not a good idea whatsoever you'll feel it right away which like you did which i did yeah yeah so i don't think it's a good idea to go on a cut at all so you could stay at about 3200 and just kind of do this nice yeah you know recomp uh and really try to get to sleep that's going to make the biggest difference uh but math 15 protocol is best dude i wouldn't add any additional exercise because your activity and your lack of sleep and just stay nice uh and consistent with that and then again you could play with increasing calories you could bump it to 34 and if you feel better and you're stronger um then stay there then just stay there but definitely don't do a cut

1:37:37Sal Di Stefano:okay all right that's it yeah i think you're doing really good it's a if i have a client who has a lot of discipline around eating and if i tell them hey let's go up to 3 500 calories and they can do that through good food choices and that it's not difficult for them versus a client who i tell to do that too and then all of a sudden it gives them permission to eat treats and do other shit that's the client i i would say stay at your 3 200 but if you feel like i could bump to 34 3500 i'll do it through whole foods and i don't have a problem keeping that discipline to do that then I think there's some value in increasing calories and seeing if you notice a difference in performance inside the gym and keep going that direction.

1:38:20Sal Di Stefano:Because what that will do is if you see an increase in performance by bump calories, it also might improve sleep. And then all of a sudden we get to a place where you're eating 36, 3 ,800 calories and you're not putting on body fat. Now we're at a place where we can come back down to 3 ,000, 3 ,200 calories and you'll lean out and you'll still feel satisfied. And so that's kind of the other, But those are the two options I see here. I see either just hovering where you're at because it sounds like you found kind of this spot where it's like anything lower, you don't feel good. So I don't want to cut you from there.

1:38:49Sal Di Stefano:3 ,000 calories for a 6-foot, 200-some-pound guys, you want to be eating around that. I mean, even when I was at peak competing, I never liked to get below 2 ,500, and that's trying to get crazy for a stage, and that's unhealthy. So most of the time, I'd want to be well into 3 ,000-plus, and you're an active guy. So those would be the two options. If you want to try and play with the calories, bump them. I would only just caution you if you're the type of person who knows, oh, I've got to bump calories, so all of a sudden you start eating out of bounds and 3 ,400 turns into 3 ,900 or 4 ,000 quickly, then maybe that's not the best strategy.

1:39:23Sal Di Stefano:But if you're good, I'd push you up if you were a client. I think you'll feel better with adding 200 calories. Yeah, most likely. How many days a week are you working five days a week?

1:39:33Justin Andrews:Four days a week. Four days. On your three days off, what does your sleep look like? It's better. But how? How is it better? Like what time do you go to bed and wake up? Pretty much right around the same time because I'm so tired. So I try to get to bed by those days, 9, 9.30, and I'm in bed until 6. Okay. Your best bet is to try and keep it consistent all week long. And what's more important is going to bed at the same time. So sleeping in a little bit is better than going to bed later. what you don't want to do is throw off your circadian rhythm because here's the deal it's very you're because your sleep is so uh it's kind of subpar consistently it's very touching it's very touchy so on the days off if you're like i want to sleep in go to bed at eight and sleep in versus go to bed at nine and sleep in uh it doesn't sound like a big difference but for someone like you that's kind of on the edge uh that would make a better that would make a better impact

1:40:34Sal Di Stefano:Rodney, are you going off of just feel or do you have any metrics? Do you have a Fitbit or a ring or any tools like that to track sleep?

1:40:43Justin Andrews:Just a Garmin that I wear.

1:40:45Sal Di Stefano:Okay. Does it have sleep? Does it give you -

1:40:48Justin Andrews:It has sleep. Yeah, it gives sleep scores.

1:40:50Sal Di Stefano:Okay.

1:40:51Justin Andrews:I've been really paying attention to that a lot lately. Yeah.

1:40:54Sal Di Stefano:For someone like you, I find a lot of that. Sleep has been my main focus for the last six months. I've been really tweaking things. And I think just having a feed, a tool like that to give me feedback of, oh, I, you know, I made sure to hit my magnesium. Oh, I noticed I turned the TV off by this time. Oh, I had dinner at this time. And like in paying attention to those little minor tweaks. I know it sounds like a pain in the butt. But in your case, because this, this is like a, it's very difficult because you wake up so early. It is an area of focus. So because I know it's like, oh my God, I got to go to bed at eight.

1:41:28And, you know, it's like a big thing. but but that's like the big like your training is good your diet is good uh the thing that you could that you if you focused on that would cause the biggest improvements it would be sleep yeah okay yeah i definitely feel like i could push the calories more because i feel like i'm always

1:41:44Justin Andrews:hungry anyway so oh for sure yeah that's a good sign then go up to 3400 calories yeah bump the

1:41:49Sal Di Stefano:calories and let's see what happens strength wise for sure yeah in the gym okay yeah like the sleep

1:41:55Justin Andrews:thing it's you know during the week when i do work it's like i'm happy if i my sleep score is in the 70s you know so yeah yeah no i feel you no that'll be the biggest impact dude but yeah bump your calories after you said you were hungry for sure bump your calories yeah okay all right that was pretty easy yeah it is good job dude well not but not really but yeah no good good job good job with trusting us by the way yeah it's not easy for an ultra marathoner to look at math to look at math 15 and be like that's my workout yeah i know it was like that's it yeah but i'm glad you trusted it dude so good job for that yeah definitely keep it all right thanks guys all right yeah that's good i'm uh everybody looks at well not everybody but especially people the history of just working their butts off with with workouts looks at mass 15 two exercises i know we just

1:42:46Sal Di Stefano:recorded an episode the other day about mouse 15 and just it's been such an interesting uh journey like how we i mean look how long it took us before we wrote a program like that and then the results that are people i mean it really highlights the listener that we get it's just it's the it's most people you know when you look at the data on volume and training majority the studies are done on college-aged males uh who are who don't have all this stuff going on the average person's got a family a job stress and it's not that it's this intensely stress thing that's happening it's just

1:43:19Justin Andrews:cumulative dude this is how i believe people don't factor it in and it does make it i've been living like this for 10 years 20 years yeah it adds up and so uh you just need the right dose and more than that sets you back yeah our next caller is robin from maryland hi robin how you doing robin hi there how are you guys how are you how can we help you well i'm gonna read just to get us started um i've listened to you guys and your podcast for many years my daughter turned me on to your content years ago and I really enjoy what you guys have put out. I'd love your advice for someone in my particular situation.

1:43:56I'm a 60-year-old woman in menopause. I'm between 5 '5 and 5 '6 right now ranging around 130 to 134 pounds which to me is a little higher than usual. I work as a real estate agent, very busy. And one week every month, I'm also the primary caregiver for my elderly mother. So my schedule is pretty unpredictable. Generally eat pretty clean, but probably only getting around 1700 calories a day, sometimes less, realizing that on some of those days, I may not be getting enough protein as well. Started tracking my macros again in the last few months, trying to get myself back on track, trying to steady the bit of weight gain I was seeing, and just feeling overall frustrated.

1:44:52I feel like I'm not making progress aesthetically, especially since menopause. I know strength training would be beneficial for me to get back into and maintaining muscle and overall health. but I struggle to stay consistent with lifting because of my workload and caregiving responsibilities. Though when my kids were younger, I was an avid lifter. I was at the gym all the time. And I'd love to get myself back to some version of that same self. Love your advice on how to finally see the aesthetic changes I'm looking for again. Things seem exponentially more difficult in this stage of life, struggling to find balance of health, longevity, and aesthetic goals.

1:45:41Would love your input on how to finally start seeing physical changes in my body, protect my hormonal and metabolic health. I want to be strong and healthy as I age, but feeling like I need some guidance and, frankly, a definitive plan. Thanks so much for your consideration. Thank you so much for calling in. By the way, did you say 60? You look phenomenal. Yeah, you look great. I am 60. Yeah, I just turned 60. Okay, so I'm going to ask you a few more questions about your background a little bit with nutrition. Would you say in the past you've always been someone who kind of watches their diet so they don't gain weight?

1:46:17Is this like a pattern for you that you've always kind of? I've never needed to even consider it. I've always been very active. the weight I am now is probably the most I've ever weighed with the exception of being pregnant with four children. So me seeing those numbers now, I think that's the part that frustrates me because it's harder for me to maintain where I've always been. Okay. Are you afraid of eating more? I'm not afraid. I mean, concerned because I know my activity level, as far as being consistent with my lifts and my workouts fluctuate. So I have these conversations with my daughter frequently and she'll encourage me, you know, the same philosophies.

1:47:04And I think she called in a few weeks ago. You guys talked to her as well. I understand what the philosophy you guys have to build through it. So I know that's right. It does concern me, but I try to just not let the self-chatter get in the way. Yeah, because you definitely are eating too little. And I don't think you're inactive, even if your workouts are inconsistent. Just based off of what you said and your schedule is so busy, I don't think you're like a sit around and do nothing kind of person. You're moving a lot. Your calories are too low to try to build into what you want. So everything, your body's holding on to body fat because your calories are too low.

1:47:47And you can strength train all you want, but nothing's going to happen unless we feed the muscle. And so the way to look, the way to look, and you'd have to get off the scale and not look at it for a little while because it'll mess with your head. But the way this looks when you do it right is you build into the body that you want, which means the scale may move up a little bit, but then that metabolic rate kicks in and then the fat loss starts to happen. If we don't do that, we're just going to be spinning our tires in the dirt. You're just going to be staying in the same place and nothing's going to happen.

1:48:21You could cut your calories and you'll just end up losing muscle and energy and you'll just feel terrible. And so what's happening right now is your body is just holding on. You're eating just enough to stay where you're at. And what that's going to feel like is going to feel like burnout and fatigue because it's just not enough, especially if you start to add strength, especially if you send a signal to burn calories, especially if you add more stress on your body, which is what exercise is. That's why it induces changes. It's a type of stress. It's a good stress, but without adequate, consistent nutrition, calories and protein, it's just not going to do anything.

1:48:58And so what this would look like, and this is easier said than done, would be a nice controlled, monitored reverse diet. And through that process, proper strength training. And what we're looking for are strength gains. That's what we're going to want. We want strength gains. And then that's what's going to make you feel like your body's working for you again. And what it feels like when people do this right, people in your situation, is the comments that people come back with is, I can't believe this is working. And I'm getting leaner. I don't even feel like I'm trying. Is what it starts to feel like.

1:49:32Because your body's working for you. Right now you're kind of fighting your body. And a lot of it has to do with the fact that you're just not eating enough.

1:49:40Sal Di Stefano:She's also mentioned aesthetics. Sal, what about like, I mean, thyroid and testosterone? Are you, has your doctor prescribed you thyroid or testosterone? Are you on anything right now? No, they've not. But I started working with a functional medicine doctor several years ago. Went through a lot of the testing. I was having some gut issues. So we did the Dutch test, among other things. I actually did a three-month complete cleanse where I was gluten-free, dairy-free, histamine-free, all at the same time. hard, but I'm a rule follower. So if it's what they told me I needed to do to get to the other side of it, I just did it.

1:50:21I felt great. I did drop a little bit of weight, but probably at that point I wasn't having the same considerations I'm having right now. I just feel like the further along I get in menopause the next birthday or whatever, I'm just, you know, watching numbers change and I don't know. I just, I don't like it cause I don't like the overall, um, composition of my body right now. That's probably it more than anything. You would get remarkable results. Uh, if we, if you allowed yourself to build, if you fueled it properly and allowed yourself to build muscle, you would get really good, nice, consistent results.

1:51:00Hormone therapy could be a cherry on top, but not necessary. I've worked with so many women in menopause, hormone therapy or not. And yeah, the hormone therapy helps, but it doesn't come close to proper strength training. Well, yeah, if she's not feeding with the extra hormones,

1:51:16Sal Di Stefano:it's not going to do anything, but hormones with increased calories and strength training could be absolutely magical. Yeah, totally. What would probably benefit you, well, definitely what would benefit you, Robin, is to work with somebody through this process. Because a reverse diet, it is, it's great. Sounds great on paper. You understand the philosophy, which it's, you know, as you said, like you understand our first philosophy, it sounds right. But there's a difference between knowing in your head and then knowing it because you've experienced it. It's a very scary process. Oh, you want me to eat more?

1:51:49You want me to eat more? Like what's going on here? And I'm working, I'm getting stronger, but I feel bigger. And that's not necessarily what I want. And it's a really difficult process for someone to get through without a coach coaching you through the process of doing it. You had said something, you just said something like, you know, I'm good at taking direction. If you're good, if you're really good at outsourcing this and allowing a coach to coach you through the process, that would be your best bet. And then they would take you through this process. And the reverse diet typically looks like, depending on the person, 100 to 200 calorie increase, and then we stabilize and then we do it again.

1:52:28and we monitor your strength training. We look at your strength gains and how you feel. And then depending on that, then we can bump it again. But with your activity level, your size, what you're looking to do, you're probably going to end up somewhere around 2300 to 2400 calories. At least. At least. And that's a lot more than you're eating now. Yeah, yeah.

1:52:47Sal Di Stefano:I would argue higher. I'd argue 2600 to 2800, and then you'll eventually come back down if we want to lean out from there. But there's no way I'm cutting calories until I get you up over 2600. No. I mean, if you just went up to 1 ,800 calories right now, you'd feel great. But I think it might mess with your head. As I say, you would and you wouldn't. You'd feel great maybe in the gym and how you perform, but psychologically is the hardest part here. Whenever I take somebody on a reverse diet, especially if we're in menopause and stuff like that, the water weight fluctuation, the dips in energy up and down, a lot of this stuff starts to mess with my – and it's a constant conversation of like we're doing the right things, trust the process, I got you.

1:53:25Sal Di Stefano:it's not the first time i've seen this stay the course we're going to come out the other side you know can i ask you some more questions robin would you say that you're the kind of person that's like uh you kind of wrap your hands around everything i manage this i manage that i manage that okay you got to outsource it you got to outsource it hun i i don't i don't think adding more things for you to manage and control is a good idea it's a lot of mental stress for sure I think it might be a good idea to just here, give it to you. And then you tell me what to do and I don't need to think about it.

1:53:57And I'm just going to trust you and I'm going to trust you until I realize I don't need to trust you anymore because I can see it's working. And that's probably going to take about six months. So if you know that about yourself, um, then I would work with a coach. Right. And I, I mean, I used to years ago when I was at the gym all the time, I started with a coach, did that for, gosh, quite a while, and then became such good friends with the coaches that we became workout partners. And they were like, you push me as hard as I push you. Just come in. You know, we'll come in the same time, and I'm just going to jump in with you.

1:54:34And then that's how I trained for the next, gosh, probably eight years. That's wonderful. But, you know, my life changed. And, you know, things happened. a divorce came into play and I, at that point, um, had to kind of adjust things that I was doing and I became, um, or I stepped away from being a stay-at-home mom with our four kids and started in real estate. So at that point I was growing a new business, um, which has been wonderful to me, but I kind of sacrificed that other love that I had, um, of the gym. And so that's kind of, to me right now is what's frustrating. I feel like I'm comparing myself to what used to be and trying to figure out how can I, can I ever get there again?

1:55:24And not that I need to get there again, but at least to feel confident and strong.

1:55:29Sal Di Stefano:And, um, this is, this is, this is also one of those things that we cannot just will ourselves there too. It's more of a delicate dance when we're talking about hormones, everything you have on your plate right now, where we're at calories. this isn't a matter of you pushing yourself harder or being so much like it's a it's different it's different at the stage of life you are at right now and i think that's the value of the coach a good coach will be able to coach you through that process as we have these setbacks and changes in schedule and the like it's just also just different it's also just robin it sounds like you've taken care of people for your whole life and uh you got to let someone take care of you a little bit.

1:56:10And so, I mean, you could try handling all of this on top of everything else that you're doing, but I don't know if that's a good idea. It sounds like you got your hands full. Um, I've worked with people who've taken care, who've been caretakers for their parents. Um, and I know what the, what that place is on an individual. There's a lot of things to manage there. Um, plus you got a business. Uh, so you might want to just, I really think your best bet is like, I'm just take care of me. I'll do what you say. I'm not even gonna think about it. And, uh, and then let's just go. And then six months into it, what'll probably happen is you're like, oh my God, this is working.

1:56:50This feels good. And it's not scary anymore. And then, and then you're set up. Yeah, I think that probably would be helpful. And I guess in the back of my head, I kind of knew that's the direction I needed to go. But, you know, I am who I am and try to take care of things myself and do as much as I can on my own. But I also have the personality to kind of push myself harder than I should in that moment. I had a situation two years ago where I hadn't been working out. It was, you know, end of January. I'm feeling guilty that I hadn't been working out. I got back into running, started running some, running on the treadmill with some elevation, trying to get my five miles that I had kind of intended I was going to just, I'd work myself up to, started having some knee pain.

1:57:41And I did my entire self-talk of pain is the body's way of releasing weakness. Keep going. This is you get what you get. You did this to yourself. Get to the other side of it. By the end of it, I had a stress fracture, and I was on crutches for the next six weeks, completely non-weight-bearing. So that's a little bit of my personality. And I know it's not, you know, this phase of my life, it's not necessarily, it doesn't hit me the same way it used to. No, Robin, yeah, that has worked. I can relate. Yeah, you went through a divorce. you built a business taking care of mom kids uh grandchildren yeah that that works until it stops

1:58:24Sal Di Stefano:yeah so uh i think the good news is though you're you're a great client so somebody like i mean yeah once you make the same direction you don't you don't lack discipline and i you know uh you'll be you'll do really really well you're gonna kill it i got i prefer a client that i've got to pull back rather than yes 100 you just need great direction and a good quality coach i think six months uh would be a good start i think six months would be a good start we could reassess there i could have um one of our guys call you uh who manages this and what they'll be able to do is identify who the best coach is for you to work with and then let's go six months and let's take it from there but i i don't think it's a good idea for you to manage all this on your own anymore I appreciate that and then I'd love to check back in with you I'd love to hear where we're at we'll see you in the coaching, I'd pop in yeah, that would be great, I'd like that okay Robin, alright, I'm gonna have someone reach out to you excited for you, this will be good thanks, bye bye yeah dude, like there comes a point, first off divorce, which stay at home built a business, she's taking care of her mom she said she has eight grandkids oh yeah, go manage your reverse diet manage your workout let's just add more stress on your plate which is all this managing and everything I mean when you're a badass like that though it's one more thing you can take it on too you can feel like that yeah but she's at a point now where she's like this isn't working she'll be a great client though but I'll tell you I can tell the thing she's the type of person I'd be like no no no we're just going to do this you know what I'm saying that's right just trust me that's what the coach it's going to look like that it's not going to be a lack of like oh I don't know are you on top it's not a good idea yeah yeah so she'll do good totally If she releases, outsources, and then just trusts the process, she'll kill it.

2:00:09Sal Di Stefano:Totally. She'll absolutely kill it. Totally. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. It's Mind Pump Media.

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