2873: The Best Way to Train for Strength AND Endurance at the Same Time

12:34Adam Schafer:choose that as a protocol 100 uh the other option is the different days this is pretty common right where it's like you know this day i run or i do my sport this day i strength train yeah this day i do my spore this day i strength train um this allows you i in my opinion to better gauge uh intensity

12:52Justin Andrews:and volume i think the intention's way better with this because now you could really focus on like that just that thing yeah this is what i'm doing all day and like and you can manage yourself energy system wise a lot more appropriately well this is how most college and professional

13:06Sal Di Stefano:athletes do stuff yeah right so you and they and the strength conditioning coach is communicating to the endurance and skill coaches. And it's just like, hey, Monday, Wednesday, Friday, we're in the weight room. Tuesday, Thursday, the rest of the week, we're doing skills training or running through plays and stuff like that. And they're communicating with each other on the volume and intensity of each of the things they're doing and like laying off that. I think that's the most important thing when you're doing different days is recognizing the level of intensity that you're applying to the opposite things that you're going after.

13:35Sal Di Stefano:So for example, if Monday you're strength training and then Tuesday you're going to do your endurance training, you also need to be very mindful of the level of intensity of those two days because they're back-to-back. 100%. We don't want to go all-out intensity on our weight training and then go all-out on our skills or endurance training on Tuesday back-to-back like that because they're going to hinder each other when they're toggled.

13:57Adam Schafer:You've got to make your choice, which is more important. There's obviously many, many times in my training career as a coach or trainer where I really learned a lot. and I would say, to be more clear, I was so super wrong. And I learned finally to do it the right way. And one of them was when I finally got clients that were competitive, Ironman, half Ironman, Ironman or triathletes. So these were like legit athletes. You know, they were in their 30s. High volume of training. Lots of, I mean, crazy, crazy amounts of volume, very high performing individuals. It wasn't just like, they actually took it seriously.

14:34Adam Schafer:Okay. And then they hired me for the strength training component. and their performance declined because my approach, I thought I was doing the right approach, but their performance on their runs and their cycles and their swims would decrease because of how we applied strength training.

14:51Sal Di Stefano:And you were just doing too much. That's probably what it was.

14:53Adam Schafer:And I thought it was like not that much. I had to scale it down to the point where the average person that I trained, this wasn't even up close to a race. When it got close to a race, we didn't do anything. We just did a little correctional exercise mobility. We stopped the strength training. But off-season, it was once a week. Once a week. And it was like three lifts. You know what?

15:11Sal Di Stefano:Now that, okay, so, and this is how I would, if I'm a coach who trains by the hour, obviously still probably do this. But knowing what you know, if it was your kid, you would probably do more micro workouts. 100%. Right? One lift. Yes. So that's the difference. So that's also the challenge, too, is like most coaches and trainers work by the hour. Right. And so you have an athlete like you're describing right now. You have that structure. We all learned probably the exact same way, doing it the wrong way first, realizing like, oh my God, I barely need to be lifting weights to this person. We all were hired by the hour.

15:44Sal Di Stefano:And so, okay, logically then one day a week, I'm training this person in a full body. And it's not even going to be like a crazy intense one hour. It's going to be like a full body and it's going to be kind of moderate intensity.

15:55Adam Schafer:Dude, it was three. It literally looked like this. It was three lifts, long ass rest periods, moderate intensity. To the point where, and this is how we got there. I remember one person in particular. I started with them what I thought was appropriate, which was too much. And they, and I'd have them report back to me. How do you feel on your runs and your cycles? Ah, I just don't feel as good. Or they'd have to start to develop a little nagging pain, even though I was doing things that I thought would help with that kind of stuff. So I'd scale it back, scale it back, scale it back. And then finally I scaled it back so much that they would actually say to me, like, I don't like, are we really doing anything?

16:28Adam Schafer:And I'd say, let me know how you're, how you perform with your other training. And then they'd come back to me and say, I'm faster. i'm stronger i'm like okay this is the right amount even though most of our session is me and you sitting down and me stretching you in between these long recipes oh yeah i had cyclists

16:45Justin Andrews:like the same thing and it's like yeah you one day a week like and even the strength train itself kept shrinking the amount of volume it was like because you had to keep that feedback going you

16:55Adam Schafer:had to keep communicating that's right now you could flip this you could be someone who says i am way more interested in the strength and muscle i like endurance i want it right But I'm way more interested. You just flipped the script then. So then what it looks like is three days a week of strength training, two days a week of strength training, one day a week of this high-intensity kind of or challenging endurance type of training. So you just flipped the script there.

17:16Sal Di Stefano:And by the way, people tend to overdo that, right? So what they typically do is they're – this is, I think, the most common mistake why we hear people. And also we also get this rap of like we're anti-running is that we'll get a caller who really wants to body comp, wants to build a physique. That's their number one thing. but they also love to run and so they're always asking us like you know how many miles and how often and it's just like listen run once once a week or you know do a one mile one mile run after a workout like a very small short bout or one one like long run and that's it a week that's plenty for you to kind of keep your endurance up and be okay but focus on that but they always want to do two three days of these like hour long runs in it with a three day a week type of muscle building routine and it's just counterproductive well you're gonna you're both are gonna be hindered you're not gonna be a great runner and on top of that you're not gonna build muscle like you

18:11Adam Schafer:want to build muscle but one of the benefits of this kind of training is i can focus entirely in the workout on perfecting what i'm doing so i don't have any exhaustion from previous workout i can focus on my technique with my strength training because it's just strength training that day. So there's some benefit to it. It's also beneficial if you have a coach, because you're going to have a coach who's good at one or the other. Rarely do you find a coach who's good at all of it. So you may have a running coach. Well, that's the day that I run. And then I got my, my person that does strength training.

18:37Adam Schafer:Well, that's when I'm meeting with them. Um, and then we have the alternate weeks and this is the, this is the least commonly used with this is good for. So alternate weeks literally looks like this, this week I'm strength training. I'm not doing anything else. And then the following week I'm doing my endurance training and I'm not doing anything else and i just continue to alternate now what this is really good at is developing the physical attributes yeah strength and endurance muscle and stamina minimize muscle loss that comes from the endurance training gradually progressing both just very gradually that's right this is not for people who don't have the skill of running to do it uh this is not for people who need to learn how to strength train this is for people like i want to be strong and i want to have endurance i like doing both what's the best way to apply this and i like them both

19:21Sal Di Stefano:I'd say this is also not for the competitive athlete. No, definitely not. This is somebody who, maybe a weekend warrior, maybe somebody who likes to do sport or stay in shape for sport, but you're not trying to progress. You're not trying to get to the collegiate level and then the professional level. You don't want to, back to your skills point, skills are so important when you're trying to continue to get better.

19:45Adam Schafer:I think of Justin for something like this. Justin's, he's already got the skills of a lot of different things. he does strength training Uncle Rico no he played college he didn't just stop at high school but you know Justin genuinely values all of them whereas I endurance for me it's like I do it reluctantly Justin likes it he also likes strength training so he enjoys it so much he wants both I could see someone like Justin

20:16Justin Andrews:it's interesting yeah it totally would fit more of my protocol I tend to go in spurts of endurance. So I'll do like, you know, two to three months where I'm just focused on that. I'll come back to strength training as the main priority. But, and two, this is another one that we didn't list, but like I've helped to convince some of my clients that we're athletes or we're cyclists or we're, you know, to have like two months devoted to just strength training as like an off season. Like we're building the body back up. We'll get back to the endurance training. But again, to the loss of skill, we're going to have to make that up.

20:49Justin Andrews:and so it is a trade-off.

20:50Sal Di Stefano:You know what, that brings up an interesting point to add to this discussion is what Justin is saying and I don't know if I would, I might do it the way Justin does it based off what, because here's the thing, he doesn't, he can sacrifice not really lifting weights to build muscle for a month. Right. One of the benefits that we all have is that we've been building muscle for a very long time and it's very similar to what I experienced when I intentionally lost all that weight

21:17Adam Schafer:and then it's like you can get muscle back so quick and and he has so much he has such a good

21:22Sal Di Stefano:base for strength that even if he decreases strength by 20 because he's been training endurance for a whole month who cares it makes more sense for somebody who's probably still on

21:32Adam Schafer:the rise of building both i can see somebody who just loves them both and just wants to just do it for the rest of their life i think this is a great way to manage intensity manage volume uh not have to not be so tricky about when i do each type of deal yeah i could totally get into the strength training mindset but then hey i miss my endurance stuff oh no problem that's next week and i feel like this is a really good long-term approach for someone who kind of wants all the attributes they like the endurance they like the strength they want to minimize the hybrid type individual

22:05Justin Andrews:totally feel like they're constantly in shape but also still strong so we've had it and it's cool

22:10Adam Schafer:about this is we've had a couple callers yeah that we've called in who fell in this category these are people that like them both they've been working out for a while like look i like both how do i do this i say hey experiment with this and come back to us we've had people come back 90 days later and say it's the weirdest thing i both got stronger and got faster yeah with my endurance there's something to it for sure which is which is really really interesting anyway speaking speaking to you justin i gotta ask you because you're not a huge supplement taker yeah but you've been taking the prescriptions uh methyl and blue pretty consistently yeah i want i want to know your

22:42Justin Andrews:experience i tend to go like one thing is like a focus or maybe two at the most but like um with the methylene blue i've been very consistent with that over the last i would say like two months uh so far and uh i found my dose and so it's like that's the other part of it for me is to really like figure out okay how this is affecting me my energy level is like so it's two so that's from yeah it's like basically half of the uh the cube oh shit i was doing a full one so

23:16Justin Andrews:i don't know that it's interesting because i i definitely know it affects people like completely different like i had courtney using it and she's barely notices any effects and she's done like the full dust and still not much for me i feel it like dramatically it's it's something too like my caffeine levels i can kind of taper down a bit and then i'm like pretty consistently

23:40Adam Schafer:energetic all day when i'm taking it yeah jessica's had a good experience with it so she'll sometimes get a like an energy crash in the afternoon the and the problem with that is like if it's three o 'clock four o 'clock even you get an energy crash like you can't have a lot of people just if they have caffeine at that time yeah it'll affect your sleep and so she's like what do i you know what do i do so i've been giving her one or two of the little squares of the methylene blue and you could take it at three and sleep it's it's not now you don't want to take it right before bed but you definitely take it in the afternoon yeah and then not have this negative well i remember when we uh

24:13Sal Di Stefano:what was the guy's name the owner the founder oh gosh stop thank you thank you uh when scott was on such a great guy his stack that he he he had me taking was methylene blue in the daytime and then taking the two the calm and then the sleep before bed before bed and i forgot why he said

24:31Adam Schafer:that he said methylene blue in the in the morning will actually help sleep later too yeah that's

24:35Sal Di Stefano:what he said that was like my sleep stack so my sleep stack included the methylene blue and it was to and i couldn't remember why why that played into that because typically it's more like

24:43Adam Schafer:mental clarity and like yeah it's a bit of an upper right it's not like a it's not like a pre-bed

24:48Sal Di Stefano:but he i forgot what he said was going on i don't remember he explained on a neurological level what was happening uh early on in the day to take it and then later on well you know what i felt the

24:57Justin Andrews:most was like i think it was because i was doing a lot more constant like manual labor and stuff around the house and i'm like you know very like a lot more kind of activity overall throughout the day a lot more steps like and i was like when i would take the methyl and booze a lot more of a boost than when i wasn't i would i would bonk heart you know when i wasn't using no it boosts

25:18Adam Schafer:it boosts dopamine uh and and so it gives you a little bit of that drive you know since you brought

25:22Sal Di Stefano:up transcriptions i should share too because i had so i'd been sharing a lot on my uh my instagram stories my sleep scores uh part of why i was sharing that uh was that i had that's what i had done was i took scott's stack for me and was improving my sleep and so when you saw me uh sharing all those great scores that was me experimenting with that so i saw i saw great results from that so my sleep has been really really good and that stuff is amazing all right

25:49Adam Schafer:I just got to talk about something real sad. It's very, very sad for my people. For your people? The EV Ferrari. Oh, bro. Can you pull up a picture of it, Doug? I just want Justin to look at this, the ugliest thing. EV Ferrari. Listen.

26:06Justin Andrews:Blasphemy.

26:07Adam Schafer:My family, my cousins, I mean, Italy is in a state of despair. First, we didn't make it to the World Cup. Again.

26:17Sal Di Stefano:The stock dropped big time. Okay. That's it right there.

26:20Justin Andrews:They've always been known for beautiful cars, dude. That's like the thing. Like, what are you doing? They hired the iPod guy.

26:27Sal Di Stefano:They hired the iPod guy to design the inside.

26:29Adam Schafer:It would be like, yes, this is an Apple engineer, I think. This would be like a famous Italian chef making a hot dog. Like, what are you doing? Why would you do that? Yeah, Chef Boyardee. Look at this car, bro. That's a Ferrari right there. You know what that looks like? An iPhone on wheels. Look at the interior. The interior is horrible. Dude. It's so ugly. It is not Ferrari. That's horrible, man. In fact, I think that car. It's like a painted Prius hybrid. Yeah, it was designed by former Apple chief designer, Sir Johnny Ivey. Doug, put the -

27:06Justin Andrews:Oh, he's famous.

27:07Adam Schafer:Look up the interior. I want Justin to look at the interior. Everything about it. Dude, my brother-in-law is just like, he goes, first, we don't make it to the World Cup again, which is devastating. He's like, and then we make this car. He's like, what is happening to us, bro? It looks terrible. No. Why, man? No, it's like, okay, that one on the right, you look at the interior. Look at that, bro. That's a Ferrari. It's horrible. What is going on? It's horrible. It doesn't even look like a Ferrari. Yeah. It literally looks like Apple made a car.

27:39Justin Andrews:Are they going to start serving pineapple on the pizzas over there?

27:43Sal Di Stefano:I mean, I've been telling you guys this for the last couple years. So obviously, I follow all this stuff. Didn't their stock, is 4.5 Star, are they public? Yeah, yeah.

27:52Adam Schafer:Didn't their stock plummet?

27:53Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, they've been on a downward spiral for the last two, three years now. It's been ever since they introduced all these hybrid, futuristic-looking cars. This is not their first one. So they had already released a car before this that was all electric. And then all their -

28:11Adam Schafer:Oh, by the way, that ugly car you just saw was$600 ,000. Just don't throw that out there. No. $600 ,000. Yeah. And you have to own other Ferraris to buy it. Yeah.

28:21Sal Di Stefano:It'll tank. It'll tank. All the cars that have been released by Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, all the ones that - Yeah, see, they've been on a downward trend for a while now. I mean, a decent buy. They'll turn around. It'll turn around. They already listened to, so the SF90 came out. So they first started doing this about two years ago, maybe three now, actually. All the steering wheel, they got rid of the actual push button start. Well, first they got rid of the key, then it became a push. And now it's just a digital screen that you touch with your finger. Turn it on. And nobody wants that. And then same thing with all like you're like, like you're driving a car.

29:03Sal Di Stefano:You want buttons. Yeah. You want analog. You want analog. Like nobody wants, like I remember when, uh, I remember when Range Rover did this years back. Uh, it was my biggest knock on that transition when they went through this. There was, there was nothing that pisses me off more when I'm trying to drive and change the AC with a digital button. Cause you gotta look at it. Yeah. You gotta look at it. And then you miss, you know, you're driving over a bump and you miss a little bit. It's like, you want to grab a knob and just turn a knob. You don't want to have to look. And so a lot of these cars made that mistake.

29:33Sal Di Stefano:And even more so on a high-performance car. It's one thing for Range Rover to do. It's a whole other thing for a sports car like a Ferrari.

29:41Adam Schafer:And it's$600 ,000. Let me ask you this, Adam, because I don't typically ask your investment advice, especially not on stocks. But for cars, you seem to be on point. Do you think that this car could potentially go up in value because it's the ugliest Ferrari ever made? No, definitely not. You don't think it could happen in the future?

29:59Sal Di Stefano:No, but it's doing, and this is why I was pushing Doug so hard a while back. You want to know what he would have made on the ones I've been begging him to buy for two years now? Yeah, he would have made about$150 ,000,$200 ,000 on it. Wow. And I knew this was all coming down the pipe. And so what it's doing is everybody who is still a lover or an enthusiast of Ferrari or Lamborghini or any of these is all the older ones, which are no longer made are rising in or skyrocketing in value everyone's going back to the older car nobody wants all this all this futuristic shit in their sports car this is why a manual a manual version of any model is worth 50 to 100 000 more than just this so to the same ferraris yeah but one with stick shift one with a stick shift is 50 grand to 100 grand more just

30:51Justin Andrews:for being it's funny any car personally no that's like they wanted a manual like transmission like they're looking for like old features none of this new so what it is and i've had the opportunity to

31:03Sal Di Stefano:drive a lot of older stuff newer stuff is uh you lose the feeling of the experience yeah the excitement of the whole process it's gotten so and there there's a point and i i believe there's middle ground there like i'm a i'm a big fan of like i do like that we like traction control yeah Yeah, yeah, yeah.

31:21Adam Schafer:You get 400 horsepower in a muscle car, it's dangerous. Oh, very, very. You can have a 600, 700 horsepower modern car, not dangerous. Right. You get a muscle car, 300 horsepower, and you don't know what you're doing. That's exactly right. That's exactly right.

31:35Sal Di Stefano:So there's certain things that I think was modern. And what's cool is the little bit older Ferraris, right? I can control that, right? So on mine, I can control 15-degree play, it gives me. I can control 50-degree play. The older, older ones all off. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Nothing, you know what I'm saying, right? And then newer ones, it's just, it's like the steering is all, you don't feel like you're connected to the road. You know, it's so responsive, you know, and it's so good that you also don't feel the road. And so it loses some of its feel and vibe. And so what this is doing is, so it'll sell for 600.

32:11Sal Di Stefano:And by the way, the only way they'll sell this, talking to like one of my buddies who's a dealer at Ferrari. And he's like, imagine how I have to pitch this thing. I said, you only have one pitch, which is what they already do, which is, hey, listen, I know this is a piece of shit. And it's going to be a little. This is the pitch. It's a piece of shit. And it's going to lose you$300 ,000 as soon as I sell it to you. But if you buy this, I guarantee I'll get you the one of 500 speciality that comes out.

32:39Adam Schafer:So buy this to get the other one.

32:40Sal Di Stefano:That's exactly what they already do. That's the game is that when you're in with a dealership like that, you have to buy seven, eight of them.

32:46Adam Schafer:Because they're so hard to get.

32:47Sal Di Stefano:Yes, because there's only 500 made of the speciality and everybody in the world wants one.

32:53Adam Schafer:That's the best sales pitch I've ever heard in my life. That's the only sales pitch. There's nothing.

32:56Sal Di Stefano:That's the only one. Because anything else is full of shit and anybody who's an enthusiast knows that's what's going to happen. And that's how they will still sell them. They will still sell them because they'll use it as leverage.

33:09Adam Schafer:It's not just ugly for a Ferrari. It's ugly.

33:11Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

33:12Adam Schafer:A Tesla looks better than that. It does. And it's way cheaper.

33:16Sal Di Stefano:And that's$600 ,000? That's crazy. What have they done? I think what happened is - I'm so sad for you. Well, I think what happened is, because we're communicating this in real time, but these decisions were made two, three years ago when everybody told you that every car is going to be electric. Everything is going to be electric. Yeah, all the laws were coming out saying that all these brands had to be all electric by a certain year. I mean, so there was a lot of companies that made these commitments.

33:39Adam Schafer:Maybe you'd come out with a coal-powered car, Justin, just to go the other direction.

33:44Sal Di Stefano:every once in a while you still see those guys that have converted their diesels to those diesel stacks out the back what is it

33:49Justin Andrews:that they turn it out on the crowd that's so douchey we see other extremes

33:55Adam Schafer:how do they do that what's coming out of that is it just it just mixes particulates yeah here let me just

34:01Sal Di Stefano:I don't know how they don't get pulled over right away for it when you see them they're just I mean this is like a black cloud of smoke

34:08Adam Schafer:it is just straight black I don't know it looks like it's running cold

34:12Sal Di Stefano:I feel like the two are that way. Both douchey. Yes, dude. It's like the two extremes. You're both douchey. Super wild, though, what's happening and watching all that. I know.

34:23Adam Schafer:It's funny to me to see my family and all the people who are like, you know, because Ferrari is.

34:29Sal Di Stefano:Well, you also have a lot of car enthusiasts in your family, too. I do. And Ferrari is a very.

34:33Adam Schafer:How depressed are a lot of your family about that? Everybody is. Everybody's embarrassed. Jeez. Embarrassed is the right word. so uh italian culture it has so much pride in certain things sure like food and cars fashion well ferrari has to be one of the most cars yeah most ferrari is it's italy dude it would be like it would be like a bald eagle for america you know what i mean it's like if bald eagles turned into a pigeon suddenly turned into a pigeon americans would be crying you know what i mean what happened no way i kicked these things or we got we changed it to a different bird yeah like

35:03Sal Di Stefano:oh we're gonna move away from this bald eagle thing we're gonna be a pigeon now majestic

35:07Justin Andrews:yeah

35:09Adam Schafer:trash eating pigeon it's going to be the blue jay we're going to be the blue jay anyway alright I'm going to change direction so there's lots of articles that are floating around right now going viral on the use of GLP you know like you know terzepatide of course some aglutide the new one that just they just came out with the phase 3 trial for retitrutide which is like it's even better than the other ones in terms of like weight loss and there's all this like speculation that's coming out so I'll read to you guys Bill Maher this is my whole interview with shalene johnson was it all she wanted to talk okay so so bill maher had somebody on his show uh that talked that where they talked about this and there's some i'm gonna pull it up there's some interesting things about what people are thinking that these glps are potentially causing so and i and i would love i'm trying to find my notes here they are i would love your guys uh speculation on this because this is a there's a i'll just i'll just read to you what this what this says here so this is on bill maher and he said that uh or this person that was on the show said that ceos are worried or concerned about employees on ozempic because they don't they they're seeing that they're losing their motivation they don't want to work as hard no shit okay hold on you guys already know the answer there's other people that are like and there's people speculating it takes away your desire for pleasure yeah so now and people are reporting less desire for sex for sex less desire to do things that they normally enjoyed and they're blaming the glp because we also see what glp use is a lowered with it seems to have a positive impact on habitual impulsive uh behaviors like smoking and drinking i mean they're all hedonistic

36:56Sal Di Stefano:like dopamine driven responses.

36:59Adam Schafer:Now what they're trying to connect is they're saying, okay, if it's reducing your desire for cigarettes and alcohol or hedonistic foods, then maybe the fear is you're just not going to like things as much, period. And you'll be more depressed or whatever. And so they're trying to connect the two. And so I think, and I'll say this now, I could be wrong, but I don't think I am. I don't think that's the connection. Here's what's happening. Everybody. People are under eating like crazy.

37:24Justin Andrews:That's it. You look how, I mean, just going through that process where you're like in a deficit for a long time you will not

37:32Adam Schafer:you'll have no energy you'll be depressed and you won't want to lose you to be i feel like

37:36Sal Di Stefano:i wish that maybe somebody who's like uh savvy go through and make a compilation of all the conversations you guys had with me during that whole experiment yeah because i remember sharing this with you going like there's times when i would come home and i had to make a decision like do I go get my little 15 minute workout in or do I help my wife and kid around the house for the next four hours? I had to choose because I was so just, I had no energy, desire to get up and do anything.

38:06Adam Schafer:You're underfed.

38:07Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. And it's in your, your malnutrition, you're underfed. Um, and so, yeah, you lose a lot of the desire to do anything and, and you had to have that now, granted, I, I went through it trying to go through it the way I thought everybody else would, you know, if i were to go do it now which i've considered this too i've considered running it back again with my trainer brain like now what happens when i make myself eat protein even when i don't want to i take a lower just the right dose of it to curb some of the appetite like watch me get shredded watch me be fine watch all those things like that but it's like nobody's like very few people are

38:44Justin Andrews:this is a lot of discipline you're throwing in there in my strong opinion because there's another

38:48Adam Schafer:study. There was a study that was published in the Lancelet of Psychiatry, which found that people on GLP-1s had lower risks of depression, anxiety, and substance use disorders and other psychiatric outcomes. Over 95 ,000 people actually did better besides weight loss and stuff like that. Better sleep, better mobility. So they felt better. But why is it that some people are reporting or employers are reporting or they're saying, hey, I have less desire to do everything in life. They're undernourished. It's just undercalorie. I'm going to tell you this right now. Don't give anybody a GLP. Put them on 900 calories a day.

39:24Adam Schafer:Yeah. And at some point, probably within a month or two.

39:27Sal Di Stefano:They'll report all those same things back.

39:28Adam Schafer:Same.

39:28Sal Di Stefano:Not motivated to work. Don't really feel like having sex. Don't want to get up and help my wife around the house. Depressed.

39:34Adam Schafer:Yes. Like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, you're under eating like crazy. No shit. Because the truth is, these GLPs, if they do anything in combination with not eating too little and some proper strength. You know what I like to see so? It probably improves all those things. You know what I'd like to see?

39:48Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. Okay? Because I think part of what's happening right now too is we're lumping in a huge percentage of people that have no business even taking it. Yes. Yes. And don't have 100 pounds of energy stored in fat on their body. I need to lose 15 pounds. Yes. I need to lose 15 pounds and I'm taking this. You know what I'm saying? And they're taking it. And so I actually think it's hurting and making those people have more negative effects than the obese person who already feels lethargic, who already feels tired, who already feels depressed, who already feels unmotivated. And now they're bringing this weight off and they're actually feeling the opposite.

40:21Sal Di Stefano:They're actually feeling, wow, I feel more energetic. I can do more because they've been living in that place for so long versus the average person is like, oh, I need to shred. I want to lose a little 15 pounds. Let me take a zip. It crashes their appetite at 900. And now they're feeling the opposite.

40:36Adam Schafer:And this is a perfect example of how we skew or distort success. Why are people staying on these things if they feel so terrible? I'll tell you why. They see the scale going down. The scale going down is how they're judging how successful they are. Meanwhile, libido's gone, low motivation, low energy, but they're like, hey, I'm losing weight. Let's keep going. I've seen this in gyms before GLPs. I've seen this so many times with people where they're just, I'm looking at them and we're talking, I'm like, you feel, I'm thinking in my head like, you feel terrible, but you're telling me you're successful because you keep losing weight on the scale.

41:10Adam Schafer:But I know you're losing muscle, and I know you're under eating. And that's why you're having all these issues. And you're blaming other things. Look, I'll use another example. Bodybuilders who are on enough hormones to make you feel libido no matter what will have no libido pre-contest. Yeah, that was me. Yeah, you've experienced that. Oh, yeah. Why?

41:30Sal Di Stefano:Because you're starving. Yeah, yeah. The last 10 to 14 days of every show, I'd lose my sex drive completely.

41:37Adam Schafer:and taking you know steroids testosterone yeah yeah but it would just but it had more to do with

41:43Sal Di Stefano:that it was the i'm just i've been depleted i'm depleted and that your your body has no desire to do those things it's trying to survive that's right last thing he's doing is extracurricular activities that's trying to do that that sounds like work and you're like i can hardly do anything

41:56Adam Schafer:the other part i want to address is that because you see these criticisms and i get the criticisms they're true but the way they're positioning them is not 100 accurate they're like what happens when you get off the glp say well same thing that happens when you get off your statin or you get off any other medication like everything goes back yeah to the way it was before so now i there are ways to set yourself up and i believe very strongly we've seen this with our clients here with our coaches and trainers of setting yourself up for a higher degree of success coming off yeah but it is not i went on it ate less and then just went off of it because then it'll go back i'm glad

42:32Sal Di Stefano:Why do you say that? Because I do want to point that out because it does sound like if you've listened to the show long enough, like maybe we're going one direction and then changing our mind about something like that. And I definitely have openly said that I've definitely changed my opinion on what I think it's going to be a net positive. I think it's going to be a net negative now because too many people are doing it. But we've seen huge success with it with our coaches. Yes. With our coaches that have, we have a lot of people that are on GLP-1s that are getting coached by our trainers. But our trainers are taking them through reverse diets and they're teaching them how to do it or they're asking their doctors to reduce doses if it's crashing the appetite too much and so i think with the proper and then we're also teaching people to journal like why were you you know when you would normally go eat that thing what were you going through what was happening so there's where there's more work to be done than just take this glp1 and lose the weight it's like you were using food if you were somebody who is carrying 50, 100 plus pounds overweight for a long period of time, you are using food to medicate.

43:34Sal Di Stefano:Okay. And so you have to ask yourself, what was I medicating?

43:37Adam Schafer:And also, when you medicate with something, it's because it works to an extent, even though the side effects may be terrible, how do I replace this? That's right. Because you can't just take something off. I mean, you can, but your odds of success with that are very, very low. What do I replace this with that can help me feel better?

43:55Sal Di Stefano:You know, talking about medication. medication and no energy so that dude my uh my house got hit with the norovirus literally on wednesday night so we left we all left here wednesday wednesday and wednesday night it was max first yeah max first he uh he had his last day of school on wednesday so i'm assuming picked it up from school yeah no signs until literally the middle of night he was we were up in reno and we with my sister and uh he was he was sleeping with my sister and katrina and i were in another room and he comes walking into our room at like two in the morning or something that and he comes around to my side daddy i got bad news and i'm like what's wrong buddy he's like i threw up and i'm like are you okay yeah i'm okay i said did you make it to toilet uh not all of it i'm like oh great so we get up to go clean up the mess and do our thing and then katrina takes him to the other room just to check keep stayed by him and then i wake up in the morning and she's been up all night she's like he was just vomiting vomiting diarrhea just also just came on like full on poor kid real yeah it was really it was so bad that so he couldn't hold fluid down couldn't hold anything that's terrible i mean we couldn't uh we couldn't even uh we were trying to tablespoon uh water to him and he was just i mean you give him a little bit and then within 15 30 minutes he was throwing up again and so he couldn't so we had to take him to urgent care urgent care was

45:25Adam Schafer:like now was it because you saw dehydration symptoms you know well because it uh two days

45:30Sal Di Stefano:had gone by and the kid or a day and a half had gone by and he couldn't even hold a tablespoon of water down you know and so we're like this is really bad like if i food's expected but like not

45:40Adam Schafer:even be able to hold water no that's that's dangerous yeah not even able to hold water down

45:44Sal Di Stefano:and and vomiting and tiring that much you know so we're like we took him to urgent care and urgent care was like i think you need to take him to the hospital i think he's going to get worse and so katrina and i were like man i don't want to take him to the hospital because taking a kid who is six years old which all they're going to do is they're going to hydrate they're going to put an iv in them yeah that can be traumatic as shit yeah the whole thing yeah and and he's going daddy i don't want to go to the hospital i don't want to go to the hospital and I'm like, well, we got to drink water, dude.

46:12Sal Di Stefano:You got to be able to drink water. You have to. And so I'm like coaching him through it and you can see him just doing everything he can just to get it. And we would start to get some tablespoons of water in every like 15, 20 minutes. That's what it was. And then I'm like telling Katrina, I'm like, we're all the way up here in Reno. I'm like, and this is not looking good. And like, we're probably going to get sick in this. If it's nor a virus, like the urgent care said, where it's super contagious. I'm like it's going to hit all of us and then we're going to be stuck up here away from family away from our doctors I'm like we got to get on the road and get back home and she's like there's no way I'm taking him like this like we can't even hold water for an hour how are we going to drive four hours and I'm like well as soon as he gives us a window like that we just got to go I said and we had two cars I'm like well I'll just leave one car we'll all go together you lay in the back with him so we were kind of go back on that then my sister starts going she started and I'm like honey this is coming our way and like what are we going to do when it's all of us and we're stuck up here and so we get on the road and uh you know for sure not what she wanted to do did he make it the whole way without so he did oh wow um he was so uh fatigued and drained at this point like Katrina is scared to death in the back seat because he's like he has like so little energy he's he's passing out yeah and she's trying to every 15 minutes give him a tablespoon of water because that's all we can give him he can't drink he drinks he's throwing up right away so it's like table you know a teaspoon of water teaspoon of water and uh you know he'd fall asleep because he's just so exhausted you're talking about so low calorie and depletion right and uh i'm like watching looking in the rear mirror as she's holding back there poor guy would be out you know and then like 15 minutes would go by and she wants and she'd be like matt and she'd try to get to him talk to him and he was so out of it that he wasn't responsive and so she'd be like shaking him and yeah she's freaking me out should we go to the hospital i'm like honey let's just get home he hasn't thrown up we're okay we get there that night same thing you know he's he's like so kind of out of it and seeing him that out of it and my son doesn't cry like he's i've told the story before like we've always been so consistent with throwing up that he'll throw up and like talk to you yeah that doesn't upset him yeah and so this is the first time i'd seen the negative effect of that because we're so scared, but we also know he's just so chill.

48:34Sal Di Stefano:They're like, God, is he not telling us how bad he is? And he's really, really like on the edge right now. And that's what Katrina is wrestling with. Like, he's not crying, you know, he's not saying he hurts or anything's bothering him. He's just kind of out of it, you know, like, cause he's so fatigued. So we get that night. I convince her to, you know, hang in there. Let's just, let's just make it through the night. And if he's still this bad tomorrow, I said, we'll go to the hospital, but I really don't want to take him to the hospital and get an IV because I just feel like that'll be more traumatic for him.

49:04Sal Di Stefano:And then 1 o 'clock in the morning, she comes in the room just out of control, vomiting. So now I got both of them just out of control, vomiting, and diarrhea, and the whole thing, and just messed up. And I'm like, boy, it's only a matter of time. I mean, I don't get sick, dude. I didn't get sick. I have no idea. Thank God, dude. Miracle.

49:27Adam Schafer:the only when did her symptoms get so she got it so when did he get better when she get better

49:31Sal Di Stefano:so she wednesday night it hit uh thursday was the scary day friday morning was so thursday night was when she went to the hospital friday morning was when i saw life come back into him he wasn't good still dying but he but he was going the other direction and so it was like positive like we could hold sips of water down that was friday morning she is by friday morning she's i don't even see her she's in the restaurant i'm taking care of max and and just checking on her when i like can i get you anything she's like i can't even hold what she couldn't even hold water down she was she was going downhill fast and so that was on what i say friday so saturday she was really bad i think that's when i text you guys my house is does that like where it's all bad Max is starting to drink water a lot we're snacking on little foods poor guy looks like a skeleton he's lost so much weight at this point Katrina is full in it though she can't hold water down but she's forcing it she's forcing the Pedialyte but then right back in the bathroom Sunday she's able to hold some water down can't eat food yet monday uh i call a nurse to come and and bring an iv to it and that was like

50:58Adam Schafer:life changing oh yeah ivy's life changing you know you see it within 15 minutes it's crazy when uh

51:04Sal Di Stefano:because i've now like we've done we've talked on the show a lot about the benefits of nad glutathione and things like that and you know when we've taken it when we're healthy it's not something i really feel but when you're sick i've now done it twice now coming off of like being from a flu and then when i was recovering from the kratom and boy and getting an iv of like hydration glutathione nid so is that what they gave her they gave her electrolytes yeah they gave her they basically gave her i forget what they call that stack or whatever oh there's a name for it there is not the meyer cocktail no i've ordered it for yeah i remember yeah it's like an iv hydration something stack and it has b vitamins all the all that in it it was the drip wasn't even finished and you could just like i could see the life come back in her and she's like i'm hungry and she was like ready to eat and she ate her first meal and was able to hold it down it's like she's okay now yeah she's she's like today was the first day she woke up she was still on the men yesterday um and then today she's like she's thank god perfect timing right so he's back he's 100 by uh he was i wouldn't say 100 but he's yesterday i was like swimming with him and we were we're doing stuff he's low energy norovirus is the worst that's so it's the katrina and i have been together for 16 years obviously we had that crazy mexico scare where she went septic and almost died that was the only time i'd ever seen her so this is the second worst i this is the closest and she said that she's like i asked her i'm like how do you feel i've never seen you this bad she goes this reminds me of mexico and i'm like damn i'm like really like i almost lost you in mexico like but i have not seen she doesn't get sick that bad she rarely gets sick and then even when she does get sick it's like so mild the last time that happened

52:50Adam Schafer:to us because there's a lot of stomach bugs but norovirus is violent now you could throw up and you know whatever and you throw up like a few time norovirus feels like uh yes but like it lasts like two days yeah it's brutal and the last time we had it aurelius was an infant a long time which scared me because he's an infant so i'm like if he gets this that'll kill a baby jessica got it i got it and i just remember like holding my son trying to put him to sleep but having terrible stomach cramps and no energy and being like and he was hard to put to sleep so i'm like just please go to sleep dude i can't hold you much longer bro please go to sleep it was a brutal three i mean

53:25Sal Di Stefano:that's the best way to explain it is exactly that that's what so our first initial thought was that he caught food poisoning yeah i was like he because we were like he's not been around it's violent yeah it's just like that it's just like food and just like what you said i because food poisoning normally is hard and heavy for 24 hours and then done and then you're kind of like on the mend after that norovirus is a good 48 hours and so when we saw that it had carried over 24 that's what made us go to urgent care because we were like he's this is not you know noroviruses are

53:52Adam Schafer:what shut down cruise ships yeah yeah if that happens on a cruise ship they're like quarantine shut everything down because that'll it spreads like oh yeah

54:00Sal Di Stefano:I don't think it's airborne

54:03Adam Schafer:petri dish is it not airborne like I think it's only through contaminated surfaces so it's not it lives on the surface

54:11Sal Di Stefano:for like 72 hours you gotta bleach things yes that's the only thing that'll kill it

54:15Adam Schafer:and you're probably bleaching the hell out of here I mean

54:18Justin Andrews:I still understand the appeal of freaking

54:21Adam Schafer:cruise ships it can become airborne but it's not a typical airborne okay yeah dude i i'm like i was like lysol and bleach lysol and bleach i was i washed my hands

54:32Sal Di Stefano:every time i was near them or touching anything that they touched i was i was washing my hand i swear by this okay and i looked up i went down the rabbit hole of like how the and it for everything all the studies that i found there's a lot of great research around sauna use and the cold punch for immunity immune system and i've told you guys before on this podcast there's been stents when I'm really consistent with that and there's stents when I'm not. And when I'm really consistent, I've had several times now where I'm always the first to get sick. We get in a room when you guys, like I'm sick.

55:08Sal Di Stefano:It's guaranteed. The only time I've been able to survive those types of situations is one of the, and I have not missed a sauna and cold plunge day in like the last 45 days. Since I got that, since the plunge sauna came, I've been religiously, every day, doing that and plenty. It's just so, I love it. So nice and convenient. Oh, yeah. And I'm telling you right now, I'm the only one who's been doing that. And it's, that's the only thing I can achieve. It is wild.

55:35Adam Schafer:I would, I definitely think it had an impact. It is wild though how sometimes you can be in a house. Like my mom was like this. We would all get sick. My mom wouldn't get sick. Every time. So that's normally Katrina. Yeah. Oh, she's the one that doesn't get sick.

55:47Sal Di Stefano:She's like, we could all be sick. Katrina would be taking care of us, kissing on my son. which is why she attempted to take care of him that way. She's kissing on him. I'm like, honey, if he's got the norovirus. And I'm like, so I was all nervous. But that's normally her. She can normally take care of all of us and not get sick. It's been so frustrating. For 16 years, I've seen her like that. So to see her go down, I was scared shitless. I'm like, fuck, I got her. It's getting me.

56:12Adam Schafer:You know who rarely ever gets sick? Doug. Doug.

56:15Sal Di Stefano:And then he does. It's like 24 hours.

56:17Adam Schafer:I think I've seen Doug sick twice, maybe. like legit sick twice and it's like a day and doug shows up and he's at he's here at work yeah i'm a little under the weather i'm like doug if you're a little under the weather we're all gonna die get out i think you had your worst one not that long ago yeah uh so i did have covid one time yeah that was weak for you yeah and then uh i you know one time i shit out of that yeah i think it wasn't even a virus i think it was because i had this humidifier in my room and maybe there was some type of mold or something had gotten in there. And I woke up in the morning, I was just weak.

56:53And then I didn't throw away the humidifier. And then a while later, I used it again. And I got the same symptoms. So I just threw the thing away.

57:04Sal Di Stefano:You know, Doug is Chuck Norris. Since Chuck Norris died, Doug's Chuck Norris. Chuck Norris.

57:15Adam Schafer:Probably. The new memes are going to be Doug. Dude, those memes where he's taking care of us when we're old, that's what's going to happen. I'm sorry to tell you, bro. Those were so good. Well, you know, a couple weeks ago, I went up and interviewed my mom and my uncle together. Well, you got your mom's genetics. You actually interviewed them? I interviewed them. And you recorded it? I have a 45-minute recording of them. What a great idea, dude. My mom's 93. My uncle's 95. They're going to both go up a year this year. They haven't had their birthdays yet. And they're like kids. They're like kids.

57:48So I'm hoping I have those genetics. You know what?

57:50Adam Schafer:Fully independent, full mobility. They both drive. You know what? My mom's gardening all the time. And my uncle, you know what his hobby is? What? Splitting wood. Wow, and he's 95? He'll drive his truck around the neighborhood, find a downed tree. He'll take his chainsaw out. He'll cut it up. He'll bring it home. And he'll put it in his little wood chipper he has. Yeah, wood splitter he has. And he'll stack it up for the winter. That's his hobby. That's awesome.

58:18Sal Di Stefano:You know, you've inspired me. I want to do something that is such a good idea that you did that. I like how I'm thinking right now, I was thinking about Katrina and I, because we're 16 years deep now, like how cool would be like every decade that we do an interview of like our relationship, the things that we love, what are we doing right now? What's, what's our, what's our son? What's our, how old are our son? And what are we, what's he doing right now? Just to have like a, every decade, you know what that's great for is your kids and your grandkids. That's what I mean. Like how cool is that?

58:47Sal Di Stefano:I mean, I think it'd be cool even for us. Like,

58:49Adam Schafer:yeah,

58:49Sal Di Stefano:you had 20 years from now to look back like oh remember when we were oh that's right i remember around that time that was happening and that would be and then like you said when max is 30 40 years old he can listen to his parents i think that's correct every decade talk about him as a child talk about their marriage like you know what a good idea there's like a viral video that was

59:09Justin Andrews:like these graduating seniors that um i think it was when they're in elementary school that's what they had mentioned all those like, um, questions that they, then they, uh, played them the video once they graduated. Yes.

59:23Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. That's what inspired me. So this, so we're coming up on Max's second one for first grade now. And I have a, I have a list of questions I ask him. I'm going to ask him every single first day of school.

59:34Justin Andrews:Yeah.

59:34Sal Di Stefano:And then I'm going to compile it all together. So I, so I'm doing that for him and that inspired me to do that. That's super, super thoughtful.

59:41Justin Andrews:Yeah. It's pretty,

59:41Adam Schafer:so bad at that. Jessica has it. she has a Bible that she writes notes in the, in the sides with, and she's going to leave that to my daughter. Yeah. And I think that's so wonderful. You imagine that reading it and be like, wow, this is what my mom was saying during this time.

59:55Justin Andrews:I got my kids like PRs like on video. So that's pretty good. That's awesome. Did you record their PRs? Yeah. Yeah. Well, over the weekend, well, we had a completely different experience.

1:00:07Sal Di Stefano:It was actually,

1:00:08Justin Andrews:I think you all had a better, all better. I'm sorry, dude. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, but we were able to go to the gym. It was like a world gym back in the day. It was like total bodybuilder. I know exactly which gym it is. Yeah. Yeah. Palm Desert, right? Yeah, we were there. Because they normally notice that I go to the gym, and then they'll kind of like hang out and sleep in and go to the pool, whatever. But they get bored, and it's like this time we went, I was trying to really motivate them to hang out and like let's do things you want to do. So we were trying to do all these things with them in mind.

1:00:45Justin Andrews:And I was like, I'm going to the gym. You guys come with me if you want. And Ethan has just been on this kick because he just has been learning all this weight training at school. And I was like, I want to see it. I want to see what she can do. And he's like, yeah, let's go. And I was like, yeah, Ever, you come along too. I didn't know if he was too young. It was like the cutoff is like 12, I guess. So he was able to come with us. But, dude, it was like, and I tried to be, just, like, go with their curiosity. Like, where do you want to, like, you want to learn about this machine? Let's do this machine.

1:01:17Justin Andrews:Like, we started out with bench because I knew, like, Ethan was familiar with that. And then. Did you flex real quick? Did you show him what time? I had to at least throw, you know, three or four plates on there. But, well, three. Yeah. That's all. Yeah. But, yeah, I mean, eventually. But yeah, so, you know, I was spotting him and he had really good form. And so it's Everett. I had to kind of like constantly cue. And it was just fun, dude. I was trying not to be like super trainer brain over the whole thing. Just like pick kind of like a machine or an area. And then let's like discuss like how this works and like what's your body position you need to be in.

1:01:55Justin Andrews:And yeah, it was rad, dude. We had a great time. And so to the point where I didn't want to like, you know, have them get too sore or fatigued or anything. And so we kind of stopped, you know, after like 45 minutes, an hour. And then, you know, they wanted to come back the next day. We ended up coming back, you know, another day after that and to do just like more legs and core focus. So we kind of split it up. But yeah, dude, it was rad. And Everett, he did like 225 trap bar deadlift. Everett did? Yeah. and he's just like how much does he weigh yeah he's probably he was it was like 120 oh my god yeah he's like 120 pounds we went that's hella strong it's like bro yeah so potentials there i was like okay well what's great is like at least just sparked something and now they like they're okay well we want to do this more because i feel good dad like that was the takeaway after we left was like oh i feel so much better i'm like yeah instead of sitting around and doing nothing and you know like now you have energy and you want to like be engaged and we had better conversations so it was it was rad i can't wait to be able to do that well such a cool

1:03:00Sal Di Stefano:example too because we get a lot of uh we get a lot of callers and people that message us about you know how how to introduce strength training to their kids like they need to like force it or need to be like oh you know every day bring them in and do this has to be a particular program you know it's like you're such a good example that is it's so much your part of your lifestyle and you've never made them come down and like you need to come live with me or you're at that age now it's like they'll come to you and if they if they see if they see dad that's a part of his

1:03:30Adam Schafer:lifestyle and he cares not only that but what the most important thing you do with a kid is you have them uh develop a good relationship with it and enjoy it right much more important you don't force

1:03:41Sal Di Stefano:it down their throat and make it a thing because you want to stick yeah and that's why it's so powerful they come to you and they ask you and they want to be a part of it and then you share with them and then it doesn't turn into this big ordeal and you know what that's going to look different for every kid some kids might show interest at five years old you know other kids may not show interest until they get in the middle of high school like it's going to be different for every kid and i think the most important thing as a as a parent or a father is you be consistent you be that like you you you make this a part of your lifestyle and you focus on that and don't worry like kids see what you do more than they listen to what you say totally and so it'll happen and i think that i think sometimes parents are like so concerned that they need to build something for these kids it's just like no be the example crazy structure and it's really it's like yeah

1:04:29Justin Andrews:it was a hangout we we literally were just hanging out and and just like having fun and trying things and then it's like it sparks more interest and then it's like okay let's build on that the next

1:04:39Sal Di Stefano:time yeah i don't do i don't max is now at an age too where he we don't we used to when he was really young we brought him in the garage and he'd be doing play-doh like katrina and i worked out he just he's been around it and he's i don't really talk about it bring it up or invite him to come with me it's like at one point he's he knows that mom and dad that's a part of their life so much he'll have interest in it and then i'll be excited to introduce it to him yeah and until then it's not really a thing to worry about right all right i wanted to touch on there was something viral going around about heavy metals in protein powders oh i did see that i saw both

1:05:16Adam Schafer:huel and legion on that on that post so here's a deal uh that it's really important to understand with uh with what's going on so first off um heavy metals are always in the soil lead is always in the soil always here's the problem and by the way it's measured uh in parts per billion so or millions of a gram so like uh if you get like a typical meal of potatoes and vegetables will have about five micrograms of lead most adults naturally consume 20 to 80 uh micrograms uh per day through everyday foods and water so it's just they're found everywhere it's found in the soil you know where the problem came from you guys are familiar are you guys familiar with california's proposition 65 you've seen it before it's on everything it's on everything is that the one that's like in coffee shops it's like oh it's on every bottle of wine it's on everything and it's like why is this on everything like what's going on the problem was that regulators took the lowest level ever associated with harm in humans and then divided it by a thousand creating what they call the safety buffer in other words this is the lowest amount that's ever caused problems now let's reduce it down by a ton yeah and then that's our new safety limit in other words the safe harbor level is 0.5 micrograms per billion or whatever per day, which is a thousand times lower than the level shown to cause harm.

1:06:39Adam Schafer:So you'll see this everywhere. And this is where the problem came from. So like Huell is well within what would be considered anywhere near, uh, what the FDA or anyone else would consider too much lead. It's the prop 65. That's just insane. You can get anything, almost anything is going to, it's going to have. Well, I remember when you interviewed, uh, Dr.

1:07:02Sal Di Stefano:bush um years ago yeah you remember that interview so he's the one that talked about even all of our organic foods have it in it and it's because it's in the rain and the rain like so even if you have like so even if you have like this perfect soil this perfect all these perfect conditions you're still going to get it from the rain that's coming down that's then in this old soil and it's like it's almost impossible to completely have even true true organic right so i remember him talking

1:07:29Adam Schafer:about that years ago yeah they're well well they're very very low in any of these things it's just they create a lot of confusion so people were using it as a percentage of prop 65 in which case you could do almost anything okay by the way uh plants uh and plant products are always gonna have higher amounts because they're directly from the soil than animal products yeah it's like a piece of steak is gonna have less of these things than like a potato or a piece of broccoli or broccoli or something like that yeah so it's all good everybody's good you can look it up yourself

1:08:00Sal Di Stefano:and see how they test well i i think something that i'd like to share with the audience just so they know kind of where where we're at where we're standing this happened uh years ago uh when an article came out about i think organifi and i think uh you immediately when sal gets stuff like

1:08:18Adam Schafer:this you know i reach out to the to the right away company right away to the company what well i'm see the third-party testing let me see what's going on right but then when i look deeper i'm

1:08:27Sal Di Stefano:like oh this is what they did yeah and so same thing happened with huel so i saw the message the text message that came across to katrina from sal because katrina manages all the partners like hey uh what is this we have to get to the bottom of this immediately because we'll drop a partnership immediately if it's something that we can't stand behind or something that we don't believe in or a problem and so um and that's in all of our contracts so we have the right to do that we will do that uh if if something like that were ever to come up just so it's just so that we know

1:08:55Adam Schafer:yeah prop 65 is a their limit is a thousand times lower than what we've ever seen to cause any harm in humans yeah so if something comes up uh two times higher than that standard which is still you know nine you know 900 times lower than whatever the human standard you could put together their chart and say they had 200 of what prop 65 would say is amount and it was aluminum right is that what it was uh metal i don't remember which ones they were but uh again it's um like how much

1:09:27Sal Di Stefano:when i i saw saladino but you're like you can you i saw saladino talking on a podcast the other day about how many micrograms of like aluminum that we get every single time we drink out of a like a soda can that's right like i don't know how much that is and what that rates on that list as far is like how close does that come to the obviously it's under fda because there's no way everyone to be able to have those soda cans so we're obviously ingesting it in a lot of things every single day it's probably the accumulation of it that worry gets really dangerous is you know if

1:09:58Adam Schafer:you're doing all these things no but he'll he'll's third party too you can look it up you go on the website um and they have a great product uh they have a great meal replacement product uh people love and it's uh non-dairy vegan so a lot of people can digest it well and it tastes good i got it when

1:10:12Sal Di Stefano:when i was driving this is actually when i was driving with uh katrina home and uh mike matthews sent it to me because i think legion was on the list too and he's like you see this bullshit right away and then he i said you got to break it down for me because i'm driving i said and i i said i think sal already got it too and so he had sent me basically a lot of the stuff that you had said he goes it's just it's like and i so supposedly the person who put the article out to is like some competitor, some other company that's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So it's ulterior motive.

1:10:42Adam Schafer:Oh, no, totally. But by the way, if you look at like whey proteins, I was going to have less of these things, even if everything's, even if it's super low on everything, because it's not plant-based. Plant-based is typically going to have more of these things. Yeah, they absorb more of the minerals. It's right there in the soil. It's right there in the soil. That's interesting. Element is the best electrolyte powder you'll find anywhere. You add it to your water. No artificial sweeteners, no sugar, Thousand milligrams of sodium per serving. You need to have that much sodium if you need electrolytes.

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1:12:11Adam Schafer:I think it's important to give yourself, you know, people call them diet breaks. I don't necessarily like to, to use that term because it implies that you're going to have a cheat meal or go off in the other direction. I think it's important though, to have scheduled intentional periods of time where you're breaking the deficit up with what we would call eating at maintenance or at a small surplus, where you increase your calories. And there's a few reasons for this. One, it gives you a mental break, okay? I've been intentionally eating a deficit now for six weeks. It would be great to have a week where I'm eating more food, okay?

1:12:48Adam Schafer:The other is the energy that you get from it, the athletic performance, strain gains, whatever type of gains you tend to see from that. It also helps with the metabolic adaptation in my experience. I don't have a ton of data to support that. There's some that suggest it. But in my experience, when I've given people breaks like this, I tend to see less of the adaptation where their metabolism, for lack of a better term, slows down. So I don't like straightforward, all the way through intentional deficits for that long.

1:13:22Sal Di Stefano:I wish we had some good research to support what you're saying because this has been my experience. In fact, I found it so interesting how common in the bodybuilding space it was to put these competitors on these three-month deficits where they were cutting for three months straight, doing cardio like crazy. and I can't tell you how you know what I what I noticed out is uh it seemed to work okay for someone doing it for the first time but boy once they got to their second or third show of doing this again and it's like stop working yeah and it's like the only thing that makes sense to me is that the body just kind of figures it out it gets more resilient it realizes like oh this again you're not going to feed me and you're going to make me do all this cardio like I'm going to really hold on and reserve.

1:14:14Sal Di Stefano:It just, and again, I don't have anything to prove that's what's happening. I've just seen it so many times and I've experienced it with clients. And this is what led me to like the small diet breaks or reverse diets, whatever you want to call them, but these shorter bouts of going on these cuts, then giving them a maintenance or a surplus for a week, then going on a cut, then a maintenance, and it was just toggling back and forth. I just seem to have way better. And that's not including the psychological, but I can see the difference. Like, we just didn't seem to stall the same way I would stall with clients that I just put on these deficits for long periods of time.

1:14:56Sal Di Stefano:And so I don't know exactly what's happening from a physiological point. I do know what's happening from a psychological point. It was very obvious how many clients and the feedback they would be like, oh, it's so nice to.

1:15:06Adam Schafer:I'll just add that in any other scenario that we can think of where you're applying a stress on the body, it typically reacts better when you give the body a little break at periodic times. Like when it comes to workouts, like you could train intensely, but at some point it's smart to have like deload weeks. You actually get better performance.

1:15:26Justin Andrews:A planned interruption or recovery.

1:15:27Adam Schafer:That's right. So to me, like a deficit is a stress on the body. It is, right? Because you're taking in less energy than you're burning. your body has having to tap into its own energy stores, body fat, hopefully.

1:15:38Sal Di Stefano:And you got to think that's exacerbated when you're also pushing it in the gym too. It's not just a calorie, because a calorie deficit is a stress. And then what are people doing when they're in that? They're also increasing activity, lifting in a gym. And so it's not just that stress. You're kind of stressing the body from all different angles. And the message you're sending it is, hey, I'm going to keep pushing this body. I'm also going to feed it less than what it needs. you know hoping to use these reserves the fat but at some point the body's like okay we're gonna really slow down because i don't know how long we can do this it's also mentally fatiguing to

1:16:13Adam Schafer:being a deficit for that long you know it sucks your performance suffers a lot yeah it just just mentally you're just like oh my god i'm eating this many calories wouldn't it be nice that if after three weeks you could have like five days or four days of bumping your calories 400 or 500 under maybe setting yourself up at maintenance or maybe a little bit and what you might think is a surplus giving you that mental break because what's the what's the challenge with cutting the challenge isn't that you got to lose weight that is a challenge it's not the big child the big challenge is consistency and maintaining it afterwards that's the big issue because everybody gains it back so i think the way that we need to view losing weight is less about what's the most effective way to lose weight and more about what's the most effective way to keep it off keep it off Because that's the big problem.

1:16:56Sal Di Stefano:I will add one more bit of nuance to this. I also think the context matters too because somebody in a very mild cut for three months, different scenario. So like, let's say I have somebody who's just eating under maintenance. In fact, we're kind of targeting maintenance or a little less. Totally different. Totally different. In fact, and this tends to be kind of what we call the Goldilocks zone where somebody is just having this beautiful exchange of sometimes they build a little bit of muscle, sometimes they lose a bit because they're hovering very close to maintenance to a deficit sometimes.

1:17:28Sal Di Stefano:They're really trying never to be in a surplus too much, but they're really trying to hover around maintenance most of the time, and it sometimes dips in.

1:17:34Adam Schafer:I oftentimes would accomplish that with clients without even tracking. Right. Just have them hit their protein targets, eat only whole natural foods.

1:17:40Sal Di Stefano:Eat when you're hungry, whole foods, get the protein. And it'll kind of fall there. It kind of naturally falls in this place. That's sustainable for three months. That's sustainable forever.

1:17:49Adam Schafer:That's more sustainable for lifestyle.

1:17:50Sal Di Stefano:Right. And what's happening there, so people understand, is there's probably periods of time when they're in a little bit of a maintenance or surplus, then there's other periods of time that they're in a deficit. And there's just more of those times they're in a deficit, which causes it to be a nice cut and then to lose body fat. And so that's different, but aggressive cut, 500-plus calorie deficits for sure or more every day for three months, that's long. Next question is from Better Mang. Bang, what's the best way to program goblet squats and what are they most effective for? Loading is limited, but I hear experts talking about their value all the time, so I'm curious.

1:18:28Adam Schafer:I typically like, because the loading is limited. So with a goblet squat, if you're not familiar, you're holding a dumbbell in your hands in front of you. You're putting your elbows underneath and you're doing squats. And typically I like to do them with heels elevated. So I'll have someone stand on a slight ramp or have their heels - So you can get depth. Yeah, on 10-pound plates. Yes, loading is limited, right? You get real strong. You can only hold so much in your arms. So I typically save this as the second or third exercise in the leg workout. Heels elevated, real full range of motion. Like you're going all the way down, sitting down, coming up, and it's great for quads.

1:19:06Adam Schafer:I can really emphasize quads with a goblet squat with my clients and even myself. Like I'll get a crazy, but it's typically after i do the heavy loaded like back squat type of stuff i mean yeah from

1:19:18Justin Andrews:a functional it's it's great for yeah targeting the quads but i mean i kind of would even probably value more of a zurcher squad as opposed to that you know um just because of the loading is so limited and you can load quite substantially more i like the centric type of loading where we can keep that load close to the body and you know you can manage that and control that a lot more effectively um but again like it's i think it's lower on the on the stack when you look at the overall like what's going to move the needle the most is probably not one so interesting i don't

1:19:54Sal Di Stefano:know who picked this question or not i did okay so it's cool you picked this up because i had actually just uh got hit on social media a lot by uh a lot of the experts talking about it oh really yeah and i'll give you the the the takeaways that and i agree with them and i think you guys will too. One, goblet squats were a lot of times the first squat that I taught. People that couldn't barbell back squat... Yeah, loading isn't an issue with the beginners. That's right.

1:20:21Justin Andrews:It's a natural way you'd load in real life.

1:20:23Sal Di Stefano:It also promotes good posture. That's right. Somebody who has never really squatted before... It's easier to do than a back squat. A goblet squat is an excellent beginner place to start. It also can encourage really good depth and good core strength. You have to You have to activate the core, keep your chest up high, good posture, which is good mechanics for learning how to squat properly. We're not worried about loading. This person's never really squatted anything, so holding a 50-pound dumbbell is good load. It's plenty of load for this person. And so it does – also, when you hold it, it kind of naturally pushes kind of the knees out.

1:21:02Sal Di Stefano:Because your elbows are in the middle. That's right, because your elbows are in the middle, so knees caving out is a very – or caving in is a very –

1:21:06Justin Andrews:Countering that front weight that's pulling you forward, so therefore you can gain more depth. That's right.

1:21:11Sal Di Stefano:So it's a great beginner squat. And so this was the argument that a lot of the experts that we're talking about that I came across, and I agree. I would argue that I goblet squatted with more people than I back-loaded squatting.

1:21:31Adam Schafer:Back-loaded squatting took longer for me than my clients to do. That's right.

1:21:35Justin Andrews:It's a skill, yeah. It takes a while to teach. Sometimes months.

1:21:38Adam Schafer:That's right.

1:21:39Sal Di Stefano:My average client was a middle-aged to advanced-age female client who had never really lifted weights. And so I did not take that client to a barbell back squat in our first month of training. We goblet squatted for a while, and goblet squatting got them in a really good position. So that's where you're getting a lot of what makes it so amazing. Now, if you can barbell back squat, to Justin's point, but this is why I think you guys took that angle. It doesn't come close to a barbell or even a front. No, for me, I would say it was goals. Yeah, what they're trying to achieve. In the ranking of barbell back squat, barbell front squat, maybe even the suzerge.

1:22:21Sal Di Stefano:Lunges. Yeah, it doesn't hit that. But a deconditioned client who's never squatted before, awesome.

1:22:27Adam Schafer:Well, I'll tell you, when I've goblet squatted, it was at the end of my leg workout. When I'm already fatigued, I'm looking for a pump. So I pump the quads that way.

1:22:34Sal Di Stefano:So I love at the end of my workout, I've already done heavy barbell back squat, maybe lunges or Bulgarians. And I want to just get a massive pump on my quads, elevate my heels, grab an 80-pound dumbbell and pump them out AMRAP style or high rep and just blow my quads up. Next question is from Gabriel992319. If each one of you guys could pick one peptide and the rest disappear, what would it be and why?

1:23:04Adam Schafer:Yeah, so let's talk about our experiences. Okay. Maybe because I have taken the most, but I'll start first.

1:23:11Sal Di Stefano:I feel like there's one of us way more qualified.

1:23:15Adam Schafer:So, I mean, I've used every single one. I could get my hand on it. But you only get one. All the rest have to disappear. Well, I'll talk about some of the ones that made the biggest impact. Yeah, but you got to give me. And I will pick one. I will pick one. But the ones that have made the biggest impact where I'm like, whoa, I could tell I'm taking something. I feel like you're going to steal Justin and I's if you do this. Yeah, that's all right. I'll run through the list.

1:23:36Sal Di Stefano:Give me your one to make a case for it, and then we'll all give our one, and then you can come back around and tell. Otherwise, you're going to steal our thunder. Yeah.

1:23:43Adam Schafer:Look, I'll pick one that you guys haven't taken, I know. Okay.

1:23:47Sal Di Stefano:They all got to disappear, and that's the one you're keeping?

1:23:49Adam Schafer:Well, I'm going to put it in a category of like you want to gain size. You want muscle size. Part of it is because it makes you hungry. Part of it is because it makes you hold water. Ibutamora? Ibutamora.

1:24:00Sal Di Stefano:Oh, I've taken that.

1:24:01Adam Schafer:Oh, you have. Oh, yeah. For gaining. That made me. I will put on seven pounds. Eight pounds. Sleep really goes. That was a radical muscle building. Wow. Get rid of all the rest and that? For muscle building. Impact. Okay. For muscle building. Muscle building. For like energy, MOTC blows me away. Yeah. I did MOTC and I was like, oh my God, I feel a bad one. It's like Justin's impact. I know.

1:24:22Sal Di Stefano:He's still going to steal his thunder. He can't help himself. They're good. It's good. It's good. You only get to pick one dog. You don't get to sell all of them. You only get to pick more.

1:24:32Justin Andrews:I'm 100 % in on Dihexa, so that would be mine. So yours is Dihexa? You noticed that one a lot.

1:24:36Sal Di Stefano:Wow, so interesting you guys went these directions.

1:24:38Justin Andrews:Like, not even close. Like, all the other, even C-Max, like, you know, somewhat. But even any nootropic I've ever taken, any kind of, like, vitamin or brain vitamin, anything anybody's ever promoted has not even touched it. Like, Dihexa has been one of those things that's like, whoa, that's wild. When do you notice it? does it take a day or two or it takes about a day or two yeah and then if i'm because i'll it's

1:25:04Sal Di Stefano:weird because i like try and save it you know it's like that limitless pill yeah drop it when

1:25:11Justin Andrews:i have the most impact you know so uh before recording i'll make sure and like do a day before and then start the sequence of that and then i'll kind of taper off the rest of the week uh but yeah like i i could and i've messed with like higher amounts and then it's it's too much I'll get like a headache. And so, you know, there's just like sweet spot, but yeah, it's like, I'll start noticing that I could recall something and I just, Oh yeah, this. And then it's like more fluid in conversation with anybody. I'll just think of a reference and boom, I never have access to that. And it's so frustrating.

1:25:44Justin Andrews:And so now it's like, wow, one thing that's actually helped at least somewhat, it's not like there's potential for me, like, like huge potential to be able to remember things like i i still have a really hard time man i am

1:25:57Sal Di Stefano:so fascinated that you both went that direction i would totally not well i'm saving the other one

1:26:00Justin Andrews:well i know i have i have more but that's just the one that impacted me well yeah no if i had

1:26:04Sal Di Stefano:to like pick one it has to be one one over another for me that's it it has to either be a glp one or it has to be ppc it has to be one of those two ppc because be a common one just because uh and less of my personal self because i could give two shits about glp1 i just know the impact of it like if i only get one peptide and the rest of the disappeared i think of that peptide as our glp1 would have helped so many of my clients that i had oh my god if i use that as a tool with my oh yeah are you kidding me life life changing for that and the other one is injuries is just i mean bbc cuts the injury time recovery time in half yeah like literally 50 and so when i think of the things that I dealt with as a trainer with clients, uh, obesity, diet issues for sure.

1:26:48Sal Di Stefano:Top. And then second would be in nagging pain and injury.

1:26:51Adam Schafer:I just, I just started one I've never done before. Um, with our partners at MP hormones.com and they recommended five amino one MQ. It's in capsule form and it, it, uh, it brings down an enzyme that degrades NAD. So you actually get NAD through a different pathway and it, It definitely elevates NAD. So you can take NAD to try to get more NAD, or you can just get your body to break down less of it and have more of it. And 5-amino-1MQ is pretty effective at it. So they recommended it to me. I'm like, sure, I've never tried it before. Let's go. I can tell. Yeah. No, I can tell. It's the most I can tell of all the energy-producing.

1:27:32Adam Schafer:Yeah, it's like, Amat-C did that for me as well. I like Amat-C. But it's different. But 5-amino-1MQ is a capsule, and I'll do like 100 milligrams or 150 milligrams. You can do as little as 50 milligrams. And for sure, I could tell. Sleep deprived, I could tell when I feel good, I could tell.

1:27:49Sal Di Stefano:With NAD just in general, I'm kind of meh about it unless you're like sleep deprived really bad, right? Like you need it. Like I just flew from Florida type of deal, right? I'm all jet lagged. Yeah. Or coming off a serious flu or sickness like that or like when I recover from the Kratom thing, man, holy cow. yeah like i felt a huge difference other times i'm like yeah do i feel better i don't know it's hard to tell but if you're depleted or you you're down holy smokes you feel the difference now i'll

1:28:19Adam Schafer:i'm going to report back on so our again our partners at mp hormones have something called the clo stack k-l-o-w that's a skin one it's bpc yeah it's uh tb500 it's kpv uh and i can't remember GHKCU. GHKCU, yeah. And all of them are synergistic. All of them help with repair. All of them. And people like it for skin. But it's great for skin, hair, nails. It's great for ligaments. It's great for injuries, inflammation. It's good for gut health. But people love it for skin. My wife's been on it for, I'll report back. She's only been on it for like five days. So we're giving that to her.

1:28:57Sal Di Stefano:She did look 43 years younger than you on that post you just did.

1:29:00Adam Schafer:Did you see that? Hey, you know why I did that? Adam's response to that. You know why I did that? You know why I did that? So I did that because we were at a wedding. Somebody thought it was your daughter? No, not again. By the way, that doesn't offend me at all. Of course, that's a cult way. What are you talking about? I'm saying that about your wives. People are like, oh, sorry, I'm sorry.

1:29:17Sal Di Stefano:That was like when those people were talking about Katrina behind my back. You know what I'm saying? I'm saying like, of course, I don't want to date some young chick. But we were talking. That's a compliment.

1:29:25Adam Schafer:We were with this couple. And then one of them, I don't remember, she said something about her birthday. I don't remember what it was. And they're like, what? I thought you were like, I thought you were like 30. And she's like, no, you did. Cause my wife's 39. No, no, no, we didn't. No, you didn't. And she never believes anybody. So I'm like, watch, I'm going to ask people on Instagram or age difference. The average person on there said 15 year age difference. There's an eight years age difference, everybody. Well, it doesn't help that you look 70.

1:29:55Adam Schafer:That was the angle.

1:29:56Sal Di Stefano:When I said 43, I was going that angle.

1:29:58Adam Schafer:I was like, well, he looks like 75 here.

1:29:59Sal Di Stefano:She looks like she said.

1:30:01Adam Schafer:All right. Back to the peptide thing. I will very carefully talk about some of the not so, you know, like some of the gray market. I've traded gray market peptides as well. So I will say that there's one called FLGR. I can't remember the rest of it. It's like a weird name. It's a long-acting form of folistatin. I don't recommend you go get it. You can make you do your own decisions or whatever. But that stuff works for sure. But it's not something you would get from an FDA-regulated compound pharmacy. This is if you want to be stupid.

1:30:32Sal Di Stefano:I went on a rant with Shaleen Johnson on all of it. I just kind of like, I poo-pooed a lot of it. There's certain things like BPC, I said, and a GLP one for the right person. But I think for a majority of people, and I think you're an exception to the rule too because, I mean, I haven't seen you miss a meal in fucking 11 years. And so, you know, like the average person who can't keep their diet in check for freaking three weeks and you can't exercise more than 60 days in a row. It's like taking all these different random peptides.

1:31:04Adam Schafer:My brother's that guy. He sent an ad for a mushroom-like drink. He's like, should I take this? Like, bro, you're putting a spoiler on a 95. Exactly.

1:31:13Sal Di Stefano:That's exactly how I communicated to Shalina. It's just like everybody's asking about, oh, what's the best for this? It's like, dude, go eat right for a month. Go train. So to my point about you, to me, it's fair. And so anybody who doesn't know, like Sal doesn't miss a workout, doesn't miss a meal, and has done that for the 11 years I've been around him. And so, yeah, makes sense that you would toy around with all these other next layer of stuff. For the rest of us, like get your shit together everywhere else, and then it makes sense to do that stuff. Next question is from Joe Pack. Favorite moment when playing sports for Adam and Justin?

1:31:53It'd be nice to have Sal take the back seat for a question. You picked this? Yeah, you did. Oh, look at you. You just wanted a break? You know why? You just wanted a break? Yeah, I'm tired.

1:32:01Adam Schafer:It's time for my meal. No, I'm actually curious. I read this. I'm like, I don't think I've ever heard you guys tell. Personal stories or ones we're watching? Yeah, while playing sport. No, it's while playing sports.

1:32:12Sal Di Stefano:Oh, wow.

1:32:12Adam Schafer:Yeah, like what's your, I don't think I know from you guys. I know from Justin when you did the reunion game. Oh, yeah. But I don't know if that's your favorite moment. No.

1:32:21Justin Andrews:Yeah, that was like, yeah, way later on, it was like recreating my favorite moments, you know with my buddies and it really was football was probably the most impactful sport because uh it was just so much training and everything leading up into these and you only get a certain amount of games uh so they mean more you know and it's like uh the overall for me to play with like a big team and like dominate other teams was like such a good feeling i think um the most impactful was actually when we lost though uh which is ironic but it's we played we we had a season where we were just undefeated and we were just dominating almost everybody was this high school or college high school okay um yeah i'm gonna go back to the uncle rico are you a senior here or junior don't worry i have i have more i have a way more pathetic story this is senior year um um and so i mean there's a lot of story i'll try and condense this so it's not so ridiculous but um we had a pretty traumatic like so junior year uh one of our players um he was part of a car crash and died in this like uh accident and and it was all drunk driving related and all this stuff and so we actually like decided collectively like nobody's gonna drink is like we were all just like so dialed in training and like we were all at each other's houses we had we shared dinners with each other and it was like this like total synergy you'd never get and i i didn't realize you i never got it again you know in sport uh and so it was just like one of those kind of magical seasons and we just kind of came out the gates just fighting everybody and just destroying people and it was like all the speculation of like where we could go uh we got a lot of press like the whole community was just like following us around all over the state of California, like playing these games.

1:34:16Justin Andrews:And we were just trying to, we were trying to call out like the biggest schools and, and play. And we ended up like making it all the way to the end. We played, um, in this championship game, uh, for division one and it was against Palma and Palma was, um, just as talented. We were literally like the perfect match with them and we didn't know how good they were, because we were just destroying everybody. And we finally kind of met our match. And so we're out there and we're fighting. And they had a completely different type of offense. They ran the fly sweep and they ran a lot of this misdirection stuff.

1:34:57Justin Andrews:And so I wasn't able to play in my normal position. I was like outside linebacker and I used to just take quarterbacks out and that was my job. And I was basically a lineman at that point. And so it was like I was playing different position. Everybody was kind of switched around. And so it was kind of disoriented. But we played really well. We were down. We were back up. We were down. The game kind of went back and forth like crazy. We got to the point where we were down, I think it was like two touchdowns. And we threw this bomb to our receiver, Orion. And he just broke away and like score. And we're like going crazy.

1:35:34Justin Andrews:We go kickoff. We kick off like an onside kick. We recover.

1:35:40Adam Schafer:Oh, God.

1:35:40Justin Andrews:We go down. We get back. We score. We're ahead.

1:35:43Adam Schafer:Oh, hi.

1:35:44Justin Andrews:We're ahead by like, you know, two points or something. And so they get the ball back. We kick it off as far deep as we can. They get to like the 10-yard line or so. Again, this is like where we all have this like, you know, regret kind of like with the coaching and this and that and the other, like what we could have done better. Like it was the whole pre-event defense. And so we're kind of backing off and we're like, we don't want to let them, you know, easily throw the bomb because they're going to go for the end zone because they have to score. And so I think it was like four points. So it was like it wasn't like they could kick a field goal to tie it.

1:36:21Justin Andrews:So it's so they're going down the field and they're just chipping away. Boom. Get it out of balance. You know, the same time, it's like you get down to the point they were at the 50 yard line, I believe. And so the quarterback, I'm running in like 100 % effort, tackle the quarterback. Because at this point, I was like, coach, just let me go. Like he was like, everybody's backing off. I'm like, I'm blitzing. I'm going. And so I just went, hit the quarterback. He throws like just a prayer in the end zone. Our cornerback grabs it in the end zone. The air catches it. their uh receiver rips it out of his hands mid-air lands touchdown score they win the game done and we're just left there like what just happened we just like literally came back and we were fighting our crowds going crazy and we're just having this momentum and we're gonna win this is the championship and then just gone everything gone uh but it was like one of those kind of t-shirt games where it's like everybody remembers it everybody knows who's part of it who fucked up we're looking at the film to this day if I go to one of these bars where I grew up it's like you'll hear people talking about it I swear to god you'll see pictures and stuff of people I wanted to go there I can show you dude it's embarrassing because it was such like a local like event like everybody was all bought in so so so you guys lost because you blissed

1:38:03Sal Di Stefano:so it's all your fault no no this is not i told you that was a split second i was gonna end with something like great like oh he fumbled the ball no he lost oh no i mean i made a lot of plays in

1:38:15Justin Andrews:that game and like i got you know a bunch of tackles but it was like bro i'm excited just

1:38:20Adam Schafer:hearing it right now.

1:38:21Justin Andrews:That's just so memorable because it was like the hardest fought game I've ever made in. And we still didn't win. Still a good story though. But yeah, it was like just to be a part of that was like magical. You know what's funny?

1:38:34Sal Di Stefano:You, me, Katrina, we all have similar stuff. I didn't play. The only winning team that I played for that we went to a championship was in eighth grade. And the coolest story that I have was the game before the championship game, I scored three goals coming back from being down to put us over and to win. Was it soccer? Yeah, soccer. Eighth grade. So that's like the best. Well, tell the story, man.

1:38:55Adam Schafer:You made it boring just now.

1:38:56Sal Di Stefano:Did you have three goals? Did anything cool happen? I mean, we were down. We were down two goals. I scored the three goals in a row to win. So for me, that was a highlight in sports for me. But I played for a lot of losing teams. So when we were in high school, we got our asses kicked. I rode the bench a lot of the time. So I don't have a lot of really cool stories that I got to experience. In fact, I think that's what built a lot of character in me is having to work so hard and losing. And so going through it sucked. Being an adult later on, like Katrina and I talk about this all the time, Katrina, even her whole experience, she went D1 and played on a team that lost every game.

1:39:35Sal Di Stefano:And she came from a high school that went undefeated. So she used to tell me, so in D1, she'd come home, she'd cry every day after playing in the game. Because I come from being this dominant high school team to going to a D1 school, my dream. What a hard pill to start. And then losing every single game. She goes, I cried every single game afterwards like that. You know, my best sports experiences, it's so Uncle Rico and sad to say, was playing rec ball in my 20s. Because in my 20s, my best friend, who I went to high school with and played basketball with, moved in with me, and we played rec ball together in our 20s.

1:40:12Sal Di Stefano:And one of the funnest times I ever had. And we won some rec ball tournaments, which I don't really count that.

1:40:18Adam Schafer:Get a medal.

1:40:19Sal Di Stefano:But exactly. Like super lame. You don't even get that. It was like super lame. It's more bragging rights. But playing ball with somebody, and Justin's probably experienced this, playing ball with someone you've played ball with most of your life is so fun because you have this other sense with him. Makes sense. I knew where he was on the court. And so getting to play as young adults in these rec ball leagues with a guy that I've been playing basketball with for 10 plus years, there's all kinds of great plays and moments that happened within the games that i can still like recall you know like these like no look passes and things like no way how you saw him there but man i never i i played for a lot of bad losing teams and and rode the bench when i was in high school my freshman year i was a uh i was a star player because i played for a division four high school it was a small school and so i dominated i was a leading scorer led in steals we didn't have any we didn't go to the championship or anything like that but I had a great season and then the next year I get transferred to a bigger school where I end up I know nobody who becomes my best friend I'm playing point guard behind another guy so I rode the pine and didn't play a lot and so went from being this great star player to being a bench rider and so I don't have really good sports stories of a cool moment I have more.

1:41:46Sal Di Stefano:I just like,

1:41:47Justin Andrews:I'm holding back. Oh, I want to hear another one. You probably have way better.

1:41:50Adam Schafer:They psyched me up, dude. Yeah. I want your autograph.

1:41:55Justin Andrews:Especially like, it's funny. Like the, the rec stuff was, was, was huge because it was like, like you said, like you grew up and you all played on the same teams. Like most of the guys that were like my best friends, we played like every sport. So it wasn't just like, you know, football was like baseball was, so you know, it was rugby. It was, yeah, we, we played like all these things together. like my same kind of crew and we played like a um a three-on-three term remember those like three-on-three like a basketball tournament and um this is where it is the one up or what was it called yeah and one and one yeah yeah and so we're in san jose and and we're we're playing and um you know we're we're like three dorky white guys you know and like there's just like there's anyway we were getting dominated by by like a lot of players there that were just dunking yeah just like throwing whatever up and they're just making everything and we're i bring that up because you look at us and we stood out and we're like you know playing like uh wooden basketball where you're like throwing up bank shots and we're doing like bounce passes to each other all fundamentals fundamental basketball and so it was like we're kind of laughing about it but uh because they were just like you know talking so much trash to us and like you know trying to kick us off the court and like so we lost our first game which was like one of those things it was like they just were just totally like um messing with us the whole time the crowd was just like making fun of us you know and and so and we rallied back because you get like one loss and then you kind of get in the loser bracket you make your way back up and so we ended up winning and then we won again and then we won again and we're just like dude fundamental basketball we're coming back we made it all the way to the end so we win like you know the consolation prize and like the loser bracket but it was like we played the same team that beat us yeah uh in the beginning and we smashed them the second time so anyway it was like one of those things it was fun because it was um there was i really enjoy when people like they throw all this venom at you before they even know what you're capable of uh and i've experienced that so many times my favorite part about sport is like like they underestimate you put up or shut up yeah and and then there's other football games where people like my favorite thing was when people would throw stuff at us when we're just waiting to get on the field and like just the venom and vitriol and like you guys suck like they're just like you know really like territorial i'm gonna kill you like oh my god yes i was like yeah more you know we we would feed it we were like one of the only teams that like fed off of that energy and we came out and just i remember i had like the best game i've ever had in football where i was like i had like four sacks i had like two interceptions and we just like we came back and it was it was one of those where we we were on the bus and we're just like singing because everybody was just throwing stuff at us hated us and we're flipping them off and well i can't tell the rest of the parts what you guys offer that best part of getting justin going

1:45:10Sal Di Stefano:you know you start talking about these stories there's stories that justin and i experienced together that a long time ago we shared on the podcast when we played the 49ers and that was crazy we shut the gym down and justin was a personal trainer and i was running the san

1:45:23Adam Schafer:and teresa club and that was crazy right you got a bunch of bunch of 280 pound yeah samoan linemen

1:45:30Sal Di Stefano:that was Isaac Sapoaga was playing for them. Manny Peterson was playing for them. I had to cover Isaac. Yeah, and to see these NFL players who you could tell by the way they dribbled the ball and played that they weren't like basketball players at all. But the athleticism was just insane, and we just got destroyed. And we were all like ex-basketball players, and so that was really fascinating to do that. You talk about people talking shit before and stuff like that. Some of my favorite memories were with Katrina. where we would go down and play this, you know, we go play pickup ball. And we go down to like 24 hour fitness on a Saturday.

1:46:08Sal Di Stefano:We're in all the gamers are playing in there and we have the girl on our team. And so everybody does, you know, this is like, I mean, on Saturday down at like 24 is like when all the college players are down there and stuff like that. And so, you know, they'd see Katrina and then like automatically they pair up the worst guy that they have on the girl. And then it would be the best, like within like three, four points after she stole the ball twice, blocked his ass, they'd have to switch the dude on a different guy on her because she was just schooling some guy. Oh, that's awesome. Yeah, those were like great memories.

1:46:38Sal Di Stefano:That's what you're like, I'm going to marry her. Yeah, I know. So I have like all these like Uncle Rico stories like that that were great, but I never got to play on a good competitive team.

1:46:47Adam Schafer:I got one story, but it's not about me. I didn't play lots of sports. I did judo, jiu-jitsu, but nothing crazy. Yeah, but you had to have a cool like to get to a purple belt. You had a good win. Yeah, I had a good win. got a couple of stories, but one that stands out to me is with my dad. So my dad, when I was a kid, I was 12, I was doing judo. We did it over San Jose Buddhist judo club. So the oldest judo clubs in America, it's in a Japan town, downtown San Jose. And I was 12. My cousin was 12. My brother was there. He was a little guy. He did it. And my dad, he did judo as a kid in Sicily. And he stopped forever because he was working, sports family, finds a judo school, signs us up and so he signs himself up so then we signed up for a big tournament and it was one of the bigger tournaments uh around here and my dad says i'm gonna compete too so the kids typically go first so we do our thing then the adults go and my dad at the time he probably weighed 185 pounds not a huge guy not a small guy not a huge guy five nine or whatever and i don't know i don't remember exactly how this happened but they put him in a uh like a pool with much with much bigger guys and so my dad's first match he throws the guy wins the second guy he went against was this dude as a kid i don't i would love to see this guy now as an adult but as a kid he was very scary he was he looked jacked so as a kid i don't know how jacked he is but to a 12 year old yeah my cousin and i were like oh no your dad's going against that guy so he was definitely bigger than my dad dreadlocks like big dude he had this camo gi on before warming up which is funny because you're not supposed to wear that for judo but he had this and he took that gi off and he was like just jacked in his first match he hurt the guy like really bad the guy hit the ground super bad whatever so i go up to my dad like a blood sport movie it does remind me of that well judo judo is uh it's it's a karate kid it's like it's like wrestling like and in judo you win by throwing someone so it's not like point fighting like you're blasting somebody you're it's very explosive very uh contact so we go up to my dad my cousin and i and my uncle go up to my dad so my uncle's full grown man to convince my dad to not do the match because i'm like because i mean my cousin and i were like i almost was ready to cry i'm like my dad's gonna get hurt what are we gonna do i tell my uncle my uncle's like it's probably a good idea because he has a job he's got support so we go to my dad and we try to convince him like hey don't do it and i'm like begging him.

1:49:12Adam Schafer:I'm like, Papa, please don't do this. He's like, he's, he's going to hurt you. Please don't do this. And my dad's like, he's just a man. He's just a man. I'm a man. He's a man. If he beats me, it's okay. It's not a big deal. Yeah, but you're going to get hurt. He's like, it's going to be okay. I'm going to be okay. So we're on the sidelines watching my dad go up there and I'm like terrified. I'm like really scared. My uncle's scared. My, my mom at the time, she can't watch. She couldn't watch our matches either. To be fair, she couldn't watch anybody's matches. So my dad goes against this guy.

1:49:37Adam Schafer:My dad throws him, but it's not a full throw. So you don't get a full point so you have to keep going on the ground my dad holds him down in a pin so you can pin someone in judo you have to hold him for 30 seconds though and he holds this guy and he's got he does a side what's called a side pin and he's got his chin on the guy's chest head and arm and one side in between the legs of the side and it looked like my it looked like the my dad took uh this guy and drilled him to the floor he wasn't moving there was no movement he was just on the ground like i don't know how my dad and my dad's very strong he's got good technique but this dude was just pinned and he starts yelling but he ain't going anywhere my dad just holding him and then they throw they throw a bean bag to the floor and he win and I was like the most hero movement of my life to see my dad win this match especially at that age

1:50:22Sal Di Stefano:12 years old like at that moment like it's oh he was you kidding me dude super mad oh yeah dude I looked at my dad

1:50:27Adam Schafer:and I was like he's like I told you I told you it would be okay but I was scared we were all scared after that what a great story such a great such a great moment look if you like the show come find us on Instagram It's Mind Pump Media. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Super Bundle at mindpumpmedia.com. The RGB Super Bundle includes MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, and MAPS Aesthetic. Nine months of phased expert exercise programming designed by Sal, Adam, and Justin to systematically transform the way your body looks, feels, and performs.

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