2876: GLP-1, Wearables & Longevity Fads; The Fitness Traps Nobody Warns You About

17:54Adam Schafer:He's the extreme. But I think the trap that a lot of people will fall into, because Brian Johnson does everything. He does everything, everything, everything, which is dysfunctional. Let's be honest. It's kind of orthorexic, right? Yeah. But I think the average person falls into this trap because they don't focus on the basics and they focus on the longevity fad part, believing that the fad is going to give them the biggest bang for their buck. So a good example. I'll give you a simple, a stupid analogy. It'd be like someone going to the grocery store and buying super organic, locally sourced candy.

18:30Adam Schafer:But they're not getting the chicken, the rice, potatoes, the vegetables, right? They're just like, they're eating food that is not healthy, but they're getting it and making sure that it's like super organic, super clean. It's got all these different things that I've read that are supposed to be good, but it's candy. It's still candy. It's still potato chips. You're not eating, you're not focusing on the basics. So this can happen with things like, and these things have real value, right? Like red light, sauna, like all these things have like real value. all the compounds you could take that work on your mitochondria

19:00Sal Di Stefano:I was just going to say that's a better example for me is all the peptides that are out for mitochondrial health, for increasing telomeres, for doing all these things and then you're driving through Taco Bell and you're drinking until 2 in the morning

19:14Justin Andrews:blood transfusions when it just needs to work out

19:16Sal Di Stefano:yeah, we're doing this and this was a conversation I had with Chalene Johnson when she interviewed me when I was in Florida, a lot of it was around all these like longevity peptides and all these things i think about i'm just like listen they are amazing they're all it's all great stuff red light therapy amazing all these things are amazing but it's like the amount of people that are are putting that in front of the basic hitting their protein intake consistently or getting good night's rest it's just like the and and those things like the analogy i gave her is like listen you could take all these crazy peptides do all the light red light therapy you can do all this stuff like that and if i can get a client to improve their sleep by 20 it trumps all that stuff yeah i don't they don't have that perfect just improve it by 20 that one thing will move the needle then more than all of all of those things so you have to attack it that way it's like now granted if you're the person who's checking all the boxes then yeah why not cool add that stuff but it's like we're we're so focused on these these quick hacks i'm in a text thread with family members i won't out who this person was but

20:19Adam Schafer:they sent a picture of a product. It was like a mushroom drink product. So it had all the like medicinal, you know, mushrooms that have all the health benefits and stuff. It's like, Hey, should I have cordyceps and all this stuff? cordyceps and all this, like, you know, all these, uh, lions, maine, right now. And it was a good product. Right. I saw all the ingredients. I saw the doses look like a good price. Like, Hey, what do you think of this? Now I know this guy. I know him cause I'm related to him. So he sends it. I'm like, bro, you're putting a spoiler on a 1991 civic.

20:47Justin Andrews:Yeah.

20:48Adam Schafer:Like, let's do the stuff that's going to move the needle. Let's exercise and eat right before drinking this mushroom drink. Yeah. Because it's not going to make that big of a difference.

20:57Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, totally.

20:57Adam Schafer:Then we have the chasing aesthetics over everything. So rather than focusing on the things that cause the aesthetics, the end result, or the side effects, we're focusing on the side effect. So the snatched waste, the, you know, I want to look this particular way. And they're chasing that through diet and exercise and ignoring performance, ignoring energy, ignoring strength, ignoring stamina, ignoring how they feel in pursuit of a look. And this is backwards. This is a backwards formula. The truth is if you focus on improving your fitness and your health, the aesthetics always, always follow. You always look better when you improve your health and you become stronger and you improve your stamina.

21:39Adam Schafer:It always follows. What doesn't always follow is when I chase the aesthetics that I get everything else. I don't always get the health. I don't always get the performance. And oftentimes I get nothing. I get neither because I'm chasing the wrong thing. We've talked about this.

21:52Sal Di Stefano:Well, I mean, I think this is the entire fitness space. I think that this is, and I think this is why it's this kind of perpetual cycle, is because the people that are communicating the message largely are still cursed by this. driven by our insecurities.

22:12Justin Andrews:Still the cell, yeah.

22:13Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, driven by our insecurities of whether we were the overweight kid or the skinny kid that didn't have muscle, but we're driven by the way we look. And we were so obsessed with that that we got to a place where we now have the aesthetics, we look awesome. And then now we communicate health and fitness through that lens to the masses. And so we're just breeding this whole - The visual side effect. Yeah. So we are now just breeding this whole generation of people coming up thinking that this is the pursuit of health and fitness.

22:42Adam Schafer:Someone who is really fit and someone who is really healthy. So someone's really fit and healthy. They probably look pretty darn good. Okay. Somebody who chases the look oftentimes sacrifices health, sacrifices their fitness, and the aesthetics don't follow. In fact, the aesthetics tend to drop because they become less healthy. They lose their performance in pursuit of this look, and they get none of it. So it's a total, complete trap. It reminds me of other things we tend to look at. And we know this, by the way, we know that there's more value in what's creating the side effect than the effect itself.

23:15Adam Schafer:So for example, I don't think it's a mystery that a man who has high net worth is more attractive to a woman. But if you took two men with the same net worth and you actually told the women what they did, this guy got it because he's a trust fund baby. This guy over here built his business and created it. who do you think becomes far more valuable yeah we know yeah because it's really not the the money that that is valuable it's really the it's the character that's the character that's built through yeah i got the i got the segue here a little bit i got the most interesting strangest like compliment or conversation starter ever i was out with my kids hanging out and this dude also in his mid-40s no no why is it always coming from a dude that's first of all i mean that's how

23:58Sal Di Stefano:Part of what makes it weird. That's always how many. I mean. I know. How many. We probably all in this room count on one hand how many times a woman comes up. Yeah, we remember that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Exactly.

24:07Adam Schafer:One time. Impressionable. Girl said I had nice arms. Exactly. I'll never forget it, dude.

24:13Justin Andrews:Yeah, so I actually started working out.

24:14Adam Schafer:No, I'm out at the park when my kids were hanging out, and there's another guy, and he's got his kids there, and he's in his 40s, and he's like, hey, man. And I thought, like, oh, he must listen to the show, you know? Hey, dude. He goes, where'd you get your joggers? I'm like, oh, these are. you're wearing your Viori's yeah these are Viori joggers he's like what's the name like Sunday joggers he's like those look so good dude he's like he kept telling me how good he kept telling me how good they look you know then I got a little uncomfortable I was like whoa bro I really gotta hold your package he's like I've been looking not that far he's like I've been looking for joggers that do that that really he's like do what dude what are you talking about what's happening hug my glutes like that but he literally is like give me the name give me the brand and I'm like well we're you know they're sponsored by them.

24:59Adam Schafer:They're not like baggy. That's like form fits you. Yeah, I gave them more discount code and everything so it was pretty funny.

25:04Sal Di Stefano:I've never had a man. It's amazing how much they have taken over the space. I don't know when the last time Doug checked the update I'd be curious to see where the company is. I see them everywhere now. Everywhere. Everywhere. In fact, I would say nine times out of ten if I see a dude wearing joggers or athleisure wear it's almost always The Sunday joggers

25:24Adam Schafer:is that one of their top sellers? It has to be. I think so. I think it's definitely I would imagine. It's still my - My core shorts, I think. It's still my favorite. I like the seaside. That's the other one, right? That's the sweats, yeah. I like them, but they're so hot. They're warm. For winter, it's magical. But now that it's warming up, I'll stay. I wear them all the time.

25:41Sal Di Stefano:You know, Sunday joggers, which is funny, because I have probably 10 pairs of those, were my original favorite. And then the meta joggers, I moved. That's what I wear now, more. Really? Yeah. They're just a little, like - I see. They're a little thinner. Yeah. Yeah. So they're - Thin and stretchy. I'd say they're both just breathable though and comfortable. What I like about these is I feel a little more dressed up than I feel in those. Those I feel a little more athletic, workout, and more comfy.

26:09Adam Schafer:I worked out this morning this morning. Yeah.

26:11Sal Di Stefano:And so this I feel like I can kind of style up a little bit more. But both are fired. Awesome. For sure.

26:16Adam Schafer:I got to tell you about work. So I don't know if this is going to happen or not, but this might be exciting. So I was hanging out. I was with my daughter yesterday. And lacrosse is over. School's done. and I did a workout, I trained her in the garage and she hadn't lifted in a little while because during lacrosse, she couldn't lift that much. You were practicing so much. And then she took a little break, trained her and she's commenting on how she feels weak. You know how it is when you get back to working out, you don't feel stable. So we're talking, I'm like, and so then an idea came to me and I'm like, this would be such a great, and we'll see, I'm not gonna push her, but this would be such a great bonding experience.

26:49Adam Schafer:But also what I've found is that I have so much more influence with my daughter when I'm training her. It just opens up conversation. I think she submits to my authority because she knows I know fitness, which opens up other doors of advice, I guess. So it's just a really good time to bond. So I'm like, I wonder if she would be down to work out with me in the morning, right? Now, I know you're thinking early mornings, in the mornings on summer, right? No school week. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

27:19Justin Andrews:It's a big ass. But I know my daughter,

27:22Adam Schafer:she's kind of got a similar personality to me. She gets that kind of like. Yeah, if she's obsessed with it, she'll do it. Well, she's kind of a killer, right? So I go in her room. She's chilling. And I'm like, hey, I'm like, so how jacked you want to get this summer? She looks at me, she goes, real jacked. I said, all right. Real jacked. I said, if you want to get real jacked, I said, I don't ever do this. I said, nobody. I don't do this with anybody. I said, but I'll let you work out with me in the morning. But you got to meet me at the gym about 645 and do the thing. She's like, all right, I'll do it.

27:51Adam Schafer:Really? Yeah. We'll see, though. We'll see. I'd be really impressed It's summertime bro She's gonna have to wake up early Yeah that's like

27:58Sal Di Stefano:That's crazy Cause I told her that

27:59Adam Schafer:I'm like it's early She's like I'll just go home Go back to sleep I'm like okay That's fair Yeah that's fair That's fair But it'll be rad dude I got a problem with that

28:05Sal Di Stefano:Is next year Into high school

28:09Adam Schafer:She's a junior next year A junior A junior Yeah You didn't know that No She's 16 bro Oh my god She's the same grade as Ethan

28:17Sal Di Stefano:God bro I feel like it's been so long Since I've been with your daughter then dude I've never been around her in a long time Not since she's had her license then. I can't believe she's going to be a junior in high school already, bro. She's going to be a junior, dude. Oh, my God. And then yours are what grades right now?

28:30Justin Andrews:Yeah, so same. Junior and then eighth grade will be next year for Everett. Oh, Everett's going in. Oh, I thought he was going into high school then.

28:37Sal Di Stefano:He's not going in high school. He's got one more. One more, yeah. Oh, wow. So they'll be in high school for one year together, senior and freshman. That'll be interesting. Yeah.

28:45Justin Andrews:Do you think they'll talk to each other? I mean, kind of. they already have interactions somewhat on campus, but like, it's funny. Cause like some of Everett's friends, like they, this one kid knows Ethan and doesn't like him. He's like, Oh, that's your brother. Oh, we're getting all this Intel, you know, like it's funny. Cause like, I think he had some weird interaction with him and doesn't like him. And, but yeah, it's, he's, he still looks up to him a lot. Like Everett looks up to Ethan a lot. And so it'll be interesting to see him having to drive him to school and all that and then like you know the crossover of friends doesn't really mesh but uh he does have

29:23Sal Di Stefano:like one or two friends that like now both you guys were in school with your siblings too right

29:28Adam Schafer:i was for your sister i believe was a freshman two years i was a senior and yours is two years

29:35Sal Di Stefano:so mine was my sister and i are two grades apart also yeah now my poor sister i feel like i didn't know him though yeah my sister and i did not talk and i would say hi to my sister we didn't hang out

29:47Adam Schafer:together but i would say hi to her and stuff like that but my poor sister if you talk to her now she thought my sister was beautiful uh very very very pretty girl in high school especially and she thought she she's like no boys were interested in her but it's because i made sure nobody talked to her you're scaring them off all of them all of them oh that's nobody dared talk

30:06Sal Di Stefano:to my sister because i was so overprotective my sister was like we we hung out with different clicks for sure so my sister was my sister was like the anti cheerleader jock group skater stoners like that and talk shit about the jocks and the cheerleaders and i was thick into all that you know so that was the group that i hung out even though i hung out with everybody and i had stoner friends skater friends she was particularly part of the group that was like super i was kind

30:32Justin Andrews:of in the every group but like mainly jocks but then my brother was like super nerd and so i'd hang out with a lot of nerds as a result just to try to like, you know, relate somewhat to my brother.

30:43Adam Schafer:You're trying to improve your DEI score? Yeah. Hang out with the nerds? I liked a lot of the same thing. I just didn't hang out in those conventions. Do you know what kids are doing right now? Like crazy? When our staff is doing even? Hacky sack. Like crazy.

30:58Sal Di Stefano:It's everywhere.

31:00Adam Schafer:I saw some kids the other day wearing big ass pants. I was doing that with my kids. I'm like, I'm looking at them hacky sack. It was outside of church. I saw something because it hit the hacky sack. Yeah, it's bringing it back, dude. Are you guys kidding right now? The hack circle, dude. I'm actually kind of curious to see how good I used to be.

31:12Sal Di Stefano:I used to be pretty good at it. I don't know how good I'd be. See, I never did.

31:15Adam Schafer:I'm so mad. I would have loved if I knew how to hacky sack to jump in.

31:19Sal Di Stefano:This was like how, this takes me back to not having any money as a kid, right? Like, we started. You didn't make your own hacky sack? No. Listen to this. We started with ice. You had hacky sack ice? Yeah, yeah. So in eighth grade and in my freshman year in high school, we would at lunchtime go get like a cup of, you know, we'd go get like a drink. And then you'd have the ice cubes in there and a guy, that's what you'd start to circle, kick it out. And then we'd hack ice around until we'd make our way through.

31:49Adam Schafer:I feel so bad. He's very funny.

31:52Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

31:53Adam Schafer:That's like, guys, we had a rock. We pretended. No, I mean, eventually somebody,

32:00Sal Di Stefano:some kid shows up and they had a hacky sack, But that was like the go-to move was we'd hacky sack ice until someone had a hacky sack. Oh, that's funny. How much do hacky sacks?

32:09Adam Schafer:How much do they cost?

32:10Sal Di Stefano:Not very much. Three bucks.

32:12Justin Andrews:Ice was the move. Remember those big blocks you could get at like 7-Eleven? We would take those and we'd go ice blocking on golf courses. What is that?

32:21Sal Di Stefano:You don't know what that is? No. We used to do that too in high school.

32:24Justin Andrews:Yeah, yeah. We'd sit on it and put like an old T-shirt or something over the top of it. But you could like slide on top of it. You'd sit on it or you'd like lay on it. First time I was arrested was doing that.

32:35Adam Schafer:Wait a minute. Back up. First time. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't know you. First of all, you were arrested. Let alone more than I was. Well, I mean, okay.

32:41Sal Di Stefano:I wasn't booked. You know what I'm saying? I was handcuffed. You got arrested? I got handcuffed and thrown in the back of a cop car. And then they just - For ice water? Yeah, scare a bunch of high school kids. Because we would do that. So trespassing. Yeah, we'd be out on the golf course. And that was a thing to do. You go out there. Now, we were also drinking too, which we weren't supposed to be doing. So you bring a case of beer out there. I forget what hole it was. How old were you? Sophomore, junior. No, no, no. I didn't really start drinking until junior year. So junior and senior year of high school.

33:10Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, yeah. Junior, senior year of high school. So you were out there drinking beers. So one of our close friends had a house on the golf course. And his parents used to travel. We'd gone all the time. So his house was the house we all met at. That's where we'd show up with the case of beer and the blocks of ice. and then he was it was not that far of a hike to what hole i remember what hole it was hole five or something like that that had the good steep hill yeah uh that you go to and then we would just you'd plop the case of beers down and you just take turns on racing the ice blocks ice down

33:41Adam Schafer:and it was a blast you know what's so funny about that as a dad now as a middle-aged dad if you saw some 16 year old kids doing that drinking and sliding down ice you'd be like well you know why i'm gonna kick those well because you pay the hoas on the how

33:53Sal Di Stefano:You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? That's like your lawn. You know what I'm saying? It is. When you have a house on the golf course, that's like your lawn, and you pay top dollar for HOA. Get off my lawn, kid!

34:04Justin Andrews:I'm in this weird conundrum now, though, because, like, you know, I don't want the kids on devices, and I don't want them at the house. And they're exploring, and they're doing stuff with their friends. And so now I'm like, I'm actually giving them ideas that are, like, you know, kind of suspect a little bit. Like, I was like, okay, so here's this one spot where you can get underneath the fence for this quarry, and you guys can sandboard down all this. Bro, I think. What are you doing telling them that? And I'm like, dude, we used to do it all the time.

34:30Sal Di Stefano:I think that's, Justin, I think that's, so my buddy Mike and I talk about this a lot, too, because he's got, his kid is, like, early years of high school right now, too. And his kid, he knows that his kids were, like, addicted to tech. And he goes, and I couldn't get my kid to come out in the cars with me. Couldn't get him to do anything. and he finally is into like those electric uh you know dirt bikes that are cool and he's like he's got a little crew and they mob around all over those things aren't supposed to be on the street they get busted they've been busted by the cop and so he's like you know he's torn on this like cracking down on his kid and really being hard on him for doing that he doesn't want to ground him at the same time too he's not supposed to do certain things on that but he's like man i i'd so rather him get in trouble even with the cops who are like busting him for driving on the row when he's not supposed to than him being cooped up in the house and just being on tag

35:20Justin Andrews:and i agree i told him i was like they're like at the point now where they want to sleep out in the forest and this and that and like courtney's like oh freak i'm like yes let them do that like they need to do they need to explore like they need to have like these like adventures it's true dude

35:35Adam Schafer:you guys i don't know this this is not connected to what you guys are saying but you're reminding me of do you guys hear about the los gatos mom that got oh yeah no she just got like bro was it 40 years or something. They call her the lost.

35:45Sal Di Stefano:Was that the one that was partying with all the. The lost. That's been going on for a minute.

35:49Adam Schafer:Yeah. They just came down on her. Like she was been in court and I think she got a big. She got a big jail sentence. Yeah, she did. I saw when that case first came up.

35:58Sal Di Stefano:And so she got in our neighbor.

36:00Adam Schafer:It's right in our backyard. And I guess she was hosting parties with kids, high school kids. She would let them drink and let them do things that were a bit provocative. I guess a few girls felt like they were sexually harassed or. That's why she got in trouble.

36:13Sal Di Stefano:It was that part, right?

36:13Adam Schafer:Well, also you were serving kids alcohol who were underage. None of the parents knew.

36:18Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, but see, I'm torn on that, right? Because I don't know if you guys had a hat. Like one of my buddies, Kenny, his parents were cool like that. They were home. I think it was the sex stuff. The sex stuff. That's what I think too because.

36:33Adam Schafer:No, that's the part that really got her in trouble.

36:34Sal Di Stefano:That's what I think so too. And that's obviously not. That's way not appropriate. But I thought his parents were so cool like that. We never fucked up and got in trouble. do you think stupid because we were so appreciative that they allowed us to come to the house and do that they would take all of our keys couldn't drive anywhere and stuff like that you also got

36:50Adam Schafer:to understand like if you if someone lets their kids stay at your house yeah and the parent doesn't know that you're letting them drink yeah that's even if they don't get in a car accident or anything it doesn't matter you're you get big trouble yeah well i so i have a i have a buddy and i won't

37:03Sal Di Stefano:i'd be pissed i won't sell him out but they are a lot of times are the house that allows to do that but they also talk to all the parents before they do that's different like hey your son's sitting night that we know there's an agreement yeah it's different there's a different there's if i sent my

37:15Adam Schafer:kid to a house and i and i didn't know that their parents were oh my god i'd be oh i know i'd be

37:19Justin Andrews:did you find out what her prison sentence was oh yeah 35 years yeah 10 10 months had to be sexual stuff there was oh definitely that had to be she was like getting them super drunk and then they're

37:30Sal Di Stefano:having them right she was encouraging them she was she was i think i remember reading the article like she would get them drunk and then she would you should kiss you should kiss him what is it

37:39Adam Schafer:with this wave of women that are doing this all these female teachers that are doing stuff with

37:44Sal Di Stefano:kids and all these like it used to be a guy i don't think it's a wave i think it's just people are now are talking i think back in the days you if out in the open yeah like like it was

37:51Justin Andrews:underground i think a lot more back in the day i just don't think it would be common because i

37:55Adam Schafer:know percentage wise it's typically like men are the predators in that case yeah but i keep seeing reports of like female teachers and like moms what are you guys doing it's strange i think nobody

38:05Sal Di Stefano:I think with phones, it's so much easier to get caught up with proof that stuff like that is happening and sharing and talking and all that stuff like that is now documented versus word of mouth of like, hey, you know, Miss Johnson had a party like that's how it would be in the past where now it's like Texas and photos and videos.

38:26Justin Andrews:Thinking back, though, it's like I knew at least two or three dudes that like had, you know, relations with a teacher. No way. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Karate Chris, dude. karate Chris one of the best nicknames

38:40Sal Di Stefano:karate Chris how did he end up with that awesome because nobody knows who it is I already know who karate Chris is I feel like because I had a karate Chris that went to my school which was the kid at recess was like practicing karate you know what I'm saying like you know older guy shadow box my brother

38:54Justin Andrews:knew him that's all I'm going to say but yeah he's the guy that would like go buy like nunchucks and all this and he was like really into weapons so I nicknamed him karate Chris and you find out later you know like him and this like science teacher and i'm like what dude this is crazy but he he was like that kid that kind of matured a little early had like a beard in sixth grade and just like you know so i think you know that whatever it was but yeah it happened so that's the thing it's like it was sort of like not talked about but i think now well i had a buddy when i

39:27Sal Di Stefano:We were 16, 16 and 17 when I got him a job at the dairy. Oh, yeah. And he was sleeping with the boss's wife. Oh, my God. How old was he? She was 30, and he was 16, 17. That's horrible. And that was like. That's horrible.

39:42Adam Schafer:You know? God, that's horrible. Well, what was really. Imagine the husband. Yeah. Finding out, oh, there's like levels to. I don't even know if he ever did or not, to be honest.

39:51Sal Di Stefano:I know they divorced.

39:52Adam Schafer:I mean, if they know who you are and they listen to this episode.

39:58Sal Di Stefano:wow bro Adam you used to work for us I mean it's old you know what I'm saying they gave him a long divorce remarried and stuff like that I wouldn't put that stuff out there that was a long time ago 30 years ago my brother's gonna call me after this

40:09Adam Schafer:you bet you're crying Chris that's my buddy

40:13Sal Di Stefano:that's terrible he worked this out was it his moves but that kid celebrated just like my buddy was he's not that's not like oh my god she took advantage of you it's still you guys understand he used to keep the letters that she used to ride him. Oh my God. And bring him to school.

40:28Adam Schafer:This is making me so uncomfortable. It's wild. You know why? You know what's crazy about this? Because I know, and I definitely think there's a difference between a girl and a boy in that situation. I do think there's a difference. I think so too. But it's very damaging still for boys.

40:43Sal Di Stefano:Well, there's a huge difference because my buddy, even though he's only 16, 17, was squatting 300 pounds, could bench press 225. If he wanted to throw her off, he absolutely could. That's a huge difference. A 30-year-old man with that young of a girl.

40:57Adam Schafer:There is a difference. Way different. We all know this instinctively. We know this. Way different. But it's still damaging. It's still damaging. Big barrier to entry. Like, you have a 16-year-old son.

41:04Justin Andrews:Yeah.

41:04Adam Schafer:And Matt, so here's the problem. The problem is, as a grown man, we can't put ourselves into the mind of a 16-year-old because we think of ourselves now. But imagine if, like, your 16-year-old, you found out one of his friend's moms was hooking up with your kid. You'd be furious.

41:18Justin Andrews:Oh, yeah. Of course. You'd be furious because she's a grown-ass adult.

41:20Adam Schafer:Like, what are you doing to my kid?

41:21Justin Andrews:Yeah.

41:21Adam Schafer:And it does cause, it still causes damage. It's still illegal. So, God. Yeah. God. Yeah.

41:27Justin Andrews:The sports events will be weird. It's different. So uncomfortable.

41:28Sal Di Stefano:Hey, I wanted to finish the GLP-1 talk. I didn't want to, I knew you were on your fitness talk, but I meant to tell you something else that was a part of this, like talking to everybody. You know the other thing that I found out that's like happening like crazy? And I don't know why. Of course I should have thought of this. I talk a lot about how similar the peptide space is to the, how it was the campus space. So many parallels. Yeah, yeah, yeah. One of the other crazy parallels that I remember was the clubs, because of all the taxes and all things like that, like the prices that we had to run cannabis for were so high that it also drove the black market.

42:03Sal Di Stefano:Sure. Right? And so the black market in peptides is reaching the average person now.

42:08Adam Schafer:Is it gray market or black market?

42:10Sal Di Stefano:So what they're doing, it's gray. Is it research chemicals? I think it's black because you're buying from a gray and then you're reselling like not legitimately, which make you black market. So what's happening are these average people that are not like legit big companies, pharma, regulations. Yeah, people hustling that have got lots of friends that are asking the Inbalgy ones. They have got connections and they're buying in bulk off the gray market. Oh, from China. Yes, from China. And they're getting these GLP ones for, say,$100 and something dollars a vial, turning around and selling them for$400 or$500 a vial because Mongero's stuff is like$1 ,000.

42:48Justin Andrews:Right.

42:49Sal Di Stefano:And people are buying it up like crazy. And so these people are making thousands of dollars on the side, hustling to their friends, GLP-1s. And that was -

43:01Adam Schafer:I don't know how hard it is to buy bulk research peptide from China. Not hard. Not hard.

43:07Sal Di Stefano:People I was talking to weren't - Wow. And what are they doing? They're just buying it and they're parsing it out? No, I think they're getting it ready to go in the bottles and everything like that. They just have to send it right over to the people.

43:20Adam Schafer:What's crazy about that is you're injecting. I mean, I understand taking a pill off the gray market or you're injecting yourself with something. Both are scary to me. So sketchy. Both are sketchy. Still.

43:30Sal Di Stefano:Both are sketchy. That's wild. Yeah, it is.

43:32Adam Schafer:So that's growing.

43:34Sal Di Stefano:Oh, big time. Big time, big time. And some of those conversations were that.

43:40Adam Schafer:There was a third party. I can't remember. I got to find the link. that tested a bunch of research chemical companies that sold peptides, 92 % of them came back as legit. 92 % came back as legit. Now, they showed this as a success.

43:58Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

43:59Adam Schafer:But I'm like, 8 % still came back as something else. Like, that's kind of crazy. Because, you know, FDA regulates 100%. Yeah, 100%. But it's still better than I thought it would be. Now, I would imagine...

44:08Sal Di Stefano:Now, Phil went and did the same thing, and he said, like, more than half came up. That's what he said. Yeah. I'd like to see that. He went, I mean, you can access it. He said, I'll show it to you. So he's got a bunch. And he went through a lot of the most reputable gray ones, too. It's not like he just did. I mean, these are like random Joe Smose that are just getting from China. We're not even talking about people that have built brands online and actually probably have a legal team and some things in place. We're talking about friends that are just hustling it. This is black market. This is buying from gray market in bulk, turning around selling to your family and friends for a 4x multiplier and hustling it all day long

44:47Adam Schafer:yes that's good margins yeah crazy that's crazy yeah i got a study on resistance training i want to talk it's a it's a more recent study and i like this one because they compared resistance training to aerobic exercise and then they compared it to um no exercise so here's what they did They took 304 adults, okay, between 20 to 74, who followed a low-calorie diet. So these people ate in a calorie deficit. And some of them did resistance training. Some of them did aerobics exercise. And some of them did no exercise. But they were all in a calorie deficit. Here's what they found. This was a long study, by the way.

45:30Adam Schafer:This was done for, let me see. They checked it at five months. So it's a long study. Yeah. Resistance training produced the greatest reduction in fat mass. So similar weight loss, in other words, the people who did aerobic training and the people who did resistance training, similar weight loss on the scale, but resistance training lost more body fat and gained a little bit of muscle, whereas aerobics training lost muscle with body fat. So now we have another study comparing head-to-head strength training to cardio for fat loss. Look at that. I've heard this before. Take that, bunnies. Both are valuable.

46:07Adam Schafer:So I'm not going to say they're not valuable. Both are valuable. If you want stamina and endurance, aerobics exercise is phenomenal.

46:12Justin Andrews:Sure.

46:12Adam Schafer:If you have to just pick one and your goal is fat loss. Pick the right tool, though. Resistance training is the best.

46:17Sal Di Stefano:That's right. For what? Superior. For fat loss, it's terrible. That's why I stand by what we've said since day one. It's like cardio is terrible for fat loss. Great for cardiovascular health and endurance and stamina. And so it has its benefits, but it's the wrong tool. If you want pure fat loss. You want to get shredded. You want to look good. That's your goal, which, by the way, is like the goal of like 90 % of the people that listen and that buy programs or get a personal trainer is I want to look better. If that's the case, it's a terrible tool. Yep. And so it's wild how that's still the button.

46:51Sal Di Stefano:And I like it. It's a large study. It's just these nerd trainers.

46:54Justin Andrews:It is. They can't let it go.

46:55Sal Di Stefano:Our trainers are just a trainer. Not our trainers, but I mean, in general. No, like the ones that are, yeah. I was in my, it's like so hard for me to work out and watch this happen. Cause I just do you, I'm, I'm in the gym and I'm working out and you know, a 20 person class comes in and it is a massive, they are doing these side shuffles to the next station, which is walking lunges to the next station, which is farmer carries to the next station, which is a burpees, which is the next station, which is lap pull down with it. and it's just a 20-minute nonstop bussing 20 people through all of it.

47:34Sal Di Stefano:I'm going like... Circuit of madness. Oh, my God. If these people only knew, they could have spent 10 minutes doing two really good exercises, like squats. Traditional strength training. Yeah. Better results.

47:46Adam Schafer:Or if that's all you want to get, you could have not signed up for the class and just done jumping jacks the whole time.

47:51Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

47:52Adam Schafer:And you'll get the same results that you're going to get from...

47:54Sal Di Stefano:Just hard to watch. I know. Hard to watch and see all these people in there going like, man, they would just benefit from doing two good compound lifts with rest periods, spend half the time in the gym, and get triple the results from what they're doing.

48:13Adam Schafer:I know. I want to talk about, we had somebody write in and talk about one of the benefits they got from improving their liver enzymes. I didn't realize, well, I did realize, but when they talked about it, I looked it up. You know what one of the number one signs that your liver is a little overloaded is? Skin changes. Itchy skin, acne, dark patches on your skin. So I recommended, of course, Dose, or they use Dose, I should say. Got their liver enzymes better and saw improvements in their skin. But I knew this about liver enzymes. When they're elevated, you can get itchy skin, but I realized it contributes to things like acne and dark patches.

48:50Sal Di Stefano:I just recommended Dose to two of my friends this weekend, so I can't wait to hear. I have two friends I'd consider healthy. One guy looks like lean, and I would have never guessed he had high cholesterol. And then another one of my - So you had them with the cholesterol version. Yes. Yeah. Both of them, both healthy guys, both healthy, active guys. But one of them I know, genetic, runs in their family, high cholesterol, on both sides. And so he's like, man, I just got the shitty gene pool or whatever that. But a good eater. He's a wine drinker. not crazy but like you know healthy fit active uh and then the other one uh doesn't run in his family and he's lean and i was super surprised that he he had that also so both of them uh give him a couple recommendations on the diet um as far as like what you back off a little bit of the red

49:40Adam Schafer:meat well we're now how many weeks in are we into your experiment doug i think i'm about 10 days to 14 days in and you're gonna do 30 days or six i think it's uh 24 doses okay uh

49:51Justin Andrews:I'm doing three bottles, and I think eight doses per bottle.

49:54Adam Schafer:So you did your blood test, or you're going to do it again? Yeah.

49:57Sal Di Stefano:I'll follow my two buddies, too, and see if they got it. I still have about almost a bottle and a half,

50:02Justin Andrews:so I must be about halfway through this. Oh, good. And then you're going to do the blood test,

50:06Adam Schafer:and then we'll see the difference.

50:07Justin Andrews:Yeah, I'm going to do it as soon as I get through the protocol here.

50:10Sal Di Stefano:That's awesome. Don't let me forget. I'll follow up with my guy, because literally two people I recommended with this this weekend, and so I'm curious if they bought it already, and I want to know if that makes a difference, just doing that with some diet changes.

50:20Adam Schafer:I got some investment stuff, Adam, that I think you will define pretty well. Okay, let's hear it. Because we talk about off-air. We're not an investment podcast, but off-air we like to talk about stuff like this. We don't act like we know what we're doing.

50:32Sal Di Stefano:Because normally we don't.

50:33Adam Schafer:Let's be honest. I'm not going to give advice. We say things.

50:36Sal Di Stefano:I remember when we were more open. Sorry to cut you off. This just reminds me of when we were talking a little bit more about that, how many people were asking me for stock picks. Do not listen to me about stock picks. I'll just be telling you right now. I have no idea. I have no idea what I'm doing.

50:51Adam Schafer:So if five years ago you bought the average house in San Jose. So this area, very expensive. Yeah. We know the real estate market here is always going up. High appreciation and everything, yeah. So five years ago you bought the average house here, or you took that money and bought an index fund in the stock market. Just an index fund.

51:08Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

51:09Adam Schafer:What's the difference?

51:10Sal Di Stefano:About 22 % on the index fund. On the housing market, probably 12 to 15. Correct with the house, 100 % increase on the index fund.

51:19Adam Schafer:100 %? You would double your money.

51:21Sal Di Stefano:Oh, you definitely chose the date. It was perfect.

51:23Adam Schafer:You would have doubled your money if you just bought. Now, why this infuriates me, which other people who probably invest also, is because I try to pick stock. And all of them perform worse than if I just buy a freaking index. So you know what I did today? So I literally did this today.

51:36Sal Di Stefano:And I did it in my son's portfolio because I still could be better at that. And then I'm going to follow mine after I talked to my tax guy with some stuff. I sold off all my bullshit picks. sold everything off I sold all my all of it off out of my son's well yes all of them sold them all off literally today so I'll check the account I think it'll be it'll be available for me to move tomorrow and then I've already it's all going straight in no it's yeah but I mean no no this is my son's that I'm doing this in I figured I'd start with his first and then I'm gonna I'm gonna move all of it into an index fund and I'm just gonna auto I'm not gonna look anymore I'm not gonna pick anymore I'm just gonna leave it for this exact conversation.

52:19Justin Andrews:I was just wondering if they specified which index. Was it a single index? QQQ was the one I did, which is a little tech heavy.

52:25Sal Di Stefano:They all, though, I've looked at all of them. They're all right around the same.

52:28Adam Schafer:You know, if you think the economy is going to grow, then index funds are pretty much a good deal.

52:35Sal Di Stefano:The argument for against them. I get it. It's because what you just did, too, by the way. I know I picked the last five years. Well, you probably picked buying at the lowest. Five years ago, whatever date you chose. 2021 would have been. Yeah, yeah. So whatever it was, it was at the peak low if you bought, and then you rode it to right now, which is one of the highs. It has that. But if you bought, say, maybe two years before that, when it was at the top right before it crashed, it wouldn't have 100 % retained. So a lot of those things can be skewed a little bit.

53:07Adam Schafer:We should look up 20 years ago, 30 years ago, to see what the difference is. Yeah, timing is everything.

53:13Justin Andrews:Timing is huge.

53:14Sal Di Stefano:So part of what I'm a little nervous about doing this, and I'm just like, whatever, this is a long place for my son. That's why I'm starting with it. It's like, am I buying the index towards the top right now? And then we're going to go on a nice little two, three-year dip.

53:25Justin Andrews:And then I'm like - Like in 2008, I think the S &P 500 went down 40%.

53:30Sal Di Stefano:I mean, exactly. No matter what. And so, right, if you bought right before that, if you went all in like I'm doing right now - You bought right after that, you did really well. Yeah, then you look brilliant and get 100 % returns with that. It's such a psychological thing. You know why I knew those stats before you said them, even though I was wrong on the stock one. It's supposed to be 20 % is like what the last couple of years, or last year it was. Graham Stephan is a kid that I watch. He's not a kid anymore. I've been watching him for years that talks investment. And he started his real estate first, and he has a bunch of real estate properties.

54:04Sal Di Stefano:Last year, he sold, or he's in the middle still of selling all of his real estate portfolio and going all into index funds. and his is one, all of his real estate's in California and he's trying to do some ADU stuff. He's got rent control issues. So he's got all these things and he goes between all those headaches and he bought early. So he's made good equity. He's like, even with all the equity that I've made and cashflow on rental income, he goes, the amount of headaches that I've dealt with and the percentage that I've actually made, he goes, that same money in index, because he's done both.

54:40Sal Di Stefano:He goes, just destroyed it. He goes, why am I putting up with all those headaches when I can park it in there? Now, I have a different opinion on why I fought for us so much on the real estate side is like, I like having tangible assets for this, especially all of us with family and kids. Like if shit got really bad, your kid can't go live in your Google stock. You know what I'm saying? But your kid could go live in one of our properties. You have to kick someone out there. That might be hard to do. Well, that's the states that we're in. Yeah. Yeah. So, you know what I'm saying? So, like, there is that part.

55:14Sal Di Stefano:It's like I value having the tangible asset. No, same here. But you're right. I mean, the index fund is just done. Totally. But like an idiot, I've treated it like gambling. I know. That was my logic was two years ago, I said, okay, enough of the sports gambling. I've been doing so much of it. I'm going to do it with stocks instead. I'm going to do it with stocks instead. I'm pretty sure I'm better at sports picking bets. You got better returns. buying gambling on sports that I did on stock. So another learning lesson.

55:45Justin Andrews:Unless you've got insider information.

55:47Adam Schafer:Which, by the way, Trump does that all the time. He'll give you insight. You guys should buy IBM. His family's killing it right now. What are you doing, bro? By the way, did you guys see the alien.gov website? What now? Did you see what they have up on there? Let me see if it's still there. We'll see if it's still there. Doug, look it up and then there's a video. We'll confirm if it's real because I saw this. I saw this on X a couple days ago. What? Post it up.

56:12Justin Andrews:Is this where it had like a video? No, no, watch. Don't say it. Okay.

56:16Adam Schafer:Don't say it. I want Adam to see it. Let me see. Because I think you might have seen it, Justin.

56:21Justin Andrews:I may have seen it. Yeah, I'm trying to think.

56:23Adam Schafer:This is the government alien. Like they own alien.gov. So no, there's nothing coming up there. Unfortunately.

56:33Justin Andrews:Yeah. Yeah, no problem. Constructing the narrative as we speak. Yeah.

56:38Adam Schafer:Yeah, dude, because they're going to be releasing more stuff.

56:42Justin Andrews:Sure. Way more fun. So the disclosure movie with Steven Spielberg, I guess, is coming out soon. Yeah, I'm going to watch that.

56:48Adam Schafer:Which, yeah, is interesting. Why are they linking that up to the disclosures? They're trying to say something like - I don't know if he's like revealing something within that movie, maybe. So here it is. Let's see. It almost came up, Doug. It came up for a second. Oh, you got it on the other TV. There we go. The walk. This is on the alien.gov? Yeah. For 60 years, the U.S. government has kept a closely guarded secret. There's a video, right? Can you just play? No way.

57:10Justin Andrews:So they're trying to say, like, there's always been hybrids.

57:13Adam Schafer:No, no, dude. There's supposed to be a video on there. Why does that look so analog? They do not. Oh, no, no. Scroll up. Scroll up. Okay, so you got to read this. For 60 years, they've kept a secret. Aliens have been walking among us, living in our neighborhoods, and interacting with us in our daily lives. They've shopped in the same stores. Can you scroll down? Yeah. attended the same classes as our children and lived seemingly normal human existence. With one exception, they do not belong here. Millions arrived under the cover of darkness and embedded themselves directly into society. Countless presidents, congressmen, and senior officials knew exactly what was happening.

57:47Adam Schafer:Instead of protecting American citizens, they chose to cover it up and even accelerate the invasion until one man finally had the courage to tell the truth. Donald J. Trump. So, hold on, hold on, scroll down. One man. There's supposed to be a video, Doug. If you scroll down. Okay. Let me see if I can.

58:04Justin Andrews:Tell me. How much money did this cost to build this website? Tell me this does not set the state.

58:08Sal Di Stefano:You remember I called this on the podcast.

58:10Adam Schafer:Oh, it's not going to show. I'll just give you the cliffhanger. Yeah. So you read all that? Yeah. And it looks like it's like a person silhouette. And then an alien spaceship picks it up and then puts it over a wall and drops it off. We're talking about aliens, like illegal aliens. Yeah, this is not like that. Bro. This is not real. Not ET.

58:30Justin Andrews:Bro, what are they doing, dude? This is whitehouse.gov forward slash aliens.

58:35Adam Schafer:This is our own government is making jokes like this, dude. Dude. Like the spaceship picks up like a dude and puts him back over the wall, bro.

58:41Justin Andrews:I saw that and I was like, what the?

58:43Adam Schafer:I'm like, did our government put that out? What is happening? What's happening, dude?

58:47Justin Andrews:It's a cartoon. It's a movie, dude. It's a movie. Yeah, we're being played.

58:51Sal Di Stefano:That's what happens when we elect a reality star. Hey, next is The Rock, so just get ready for that. It's going to be WWE. is going to be our best. Aren't they going to have a UFC on the White House lawn? That's in a couple weeks.

59:04Adam Schafer:On the White House lawn, they're going to have a UFC. Yeah, it's a couple weeks.

59:07Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, I know. Oh my gosh, man.

59:09Adam Schafer:Cool. I'm starting to believe that when they did the Large Hadron Collider, they turned it on and they flipped us into an alternate reality. And now we're in some crazy, weird alternate reality. Things are just weird now. I agree. We're all getting massively trolled, dude. Every day. They weren't little green men. These aliens are the millions of illegals who have been in our country. It's insane. I mean, you've got to give it to them.

59:34Sal Di Stefano:They have done a brilliant job of just sweeping the Epstein files under the rug. I know. And just moving on. We just forgot about that. We're on to the new thing. Yeah. You know, like that's just crazy.

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1:00:28Adam Schafer:I've been using it. I have less inflammation. I feel like I can move better and my sleep has improved. So go check out Fatty 15. Go to fatty15.com forward slash mind pump. If you use the code mind pump, you'll get an additional 15 % off. Back to the show. our first caller is aiden from kansas what's up aiden what's happening dude hey how you guys doing

1:00:51Justin Andrews:good man how can we help you uh so uh i initially submitted a question a couple months ago but uh quite a bit i guess it's changed with the uh issue since then so i kind of uh rewrote it a little bit

1:01:04Adam Schafer:so i could make sure i uh touch on everything yeah let's go uh so a little bit about me um i was a

1:01:11Justin Andrews:college athlete, uh, and I retired from competing a little over a year ago. Um, after I finished, I began pursuing a heavy lifting, uh, in and about six months, I increased all my numbers substantially on all my big lifts. Um, I was honestly, I was moving more weight than I had ever done before. Um, so yeah, I was doing really good. Uh, until last August, I got really sick, uh, put me out for a few weeks. Um, once I started getting better, um, met most of my like main symptoms ultimately resolved. I began experiencing a lot of numbness and tingling in all of my limbs, but about 90 % of it was concentrated in my left arm.

1:01:52Justin Andrews:So this was really strong for about a few days. And then after that, it was just kind of on and off for a few weeks. The numbness eventually resolved. I began trying to train again. Uh, almost instantly I noticed a decrease in strength and pushing motions, uh, in tricep exercises specifically. Um, it was like, I lost over a hundred pounds on my bench, uh, you know, like within, uh, those three weeks and, uh, my left side just couldn't do it. Like just wasn't able to do anything. Uh, I was really super busy with school and work around this time. So I didn't really think too hard about it. I just figured I was out of shape.

1:02:30Justin Andrews:Hadn't been doing it for a while. So I just kind of brushed it off. So for a couple months, I just kept lifting. I didn't really seem to be making any progress, especially the left arm wasn't really able to make any progress there. And then eventually I noticed there was definitely a size difference between the two arms. So I just kind of started hammering away at the left arm because I didn't realize there was a true issue. And so I figured I just needed a change in programming. I actually ran maps strong because I was like, I just need something new. I wanted to push it a little bit, but didn't really get any gains in the pushing.

1:03:07Justin Andrews:So February, I started noticing tingling was returning in the arm. Finally, I had enough after that, and so I went to the doctor. Doctor referred me to a neurologist. I saw a PT, a chiropractor. PT and chiropractor couldn't figure it out. Finally, I went to the neurologist. I got an EMG. so revealed I have a pinch in my elbow and neck and so the options I was given there were to just wait it out and do some PT see what happens I could do an MRI for more info or see a see a surgeon for a possible nerve release in the elbow so I chose to just wait it out and see PT because that seemed like the most affordable option honestly and so the new PT who I'm seeing thinks that I have a, uh, it's disc related.

1:03:55Justin Andrews:And so, uh, it's just been so many months now. I'm not really sure what to do exactly. Um, I feel like it's some days it's improving. Uh, I feel like maybe I have a little bit of contractibility back, but I'm not really, um, sure what to do with my training right now. Um, I'm worried that I'm going to make it worse. Um, so PT doesn't want me to do anything crazy, uh, like, uh, to increase axial load right now. So I'm not doing heavy squats, overhead work or anything like that right now. Just not really sure what my next move should be regards to training and in general, because I do have a pretty major strength and balance and pushing between the left and the right right now.

1:04:32Justin Andrews:And I can't seem to be just really not sure what to do about it.

1:04:37Adam Schafer:Okay. All right. Let's back up for a second, Aiden. So what was it that you had when you got really sick?

1:04:44Justin Andrews:Actually got mono. Okay.

1:04:46Adam Schafer:And the numbness you had shortly after the mono symptoms started to subside?

1:04:54Justin Andrews:Yeah, it was really strong. It was like I started feeling good and then all of a sudden it hit. I almost went back to the doctor because I thought it might have been something more serious related to it, but it kind of went away.

1:05:06Sal Di Stefano:Is that correlation with mono?

1:05:07Adam Schafer:Yeah. And then when you had the numbness, I know a lot of it was concentrated on the left side, but you felt kind of all over?

1:05:13Justin Andrews:yeah i initially i did feel it a good amount in my left leg my right arm but like i said about 90

1:05:21Adam Schafer:of it was just in this arm okay and what sport did you play when you were in college i was a swimmer okay it's so so there's two possibilities here uh possibility one is that the nerve impingement is the issue possibility two is that the nerve impingement would have been there had they imaged you before you felt any symptoms because you're an athlete. It's actually not that uncommon. Same thing with disc issues. And what you're actually experiencing is an autoimmune response from the mono infection. And so now I'm not a doctor and I'm not a doctor, but I'm, I'm going to lean more in that direction because the symptoms occurred right after mono infection and they did occur bilaterally.

1:06:10Adam Schafer:So although now it seems to be isolated to the left side, you kind of felt it all over initially. Yeah. So that's the direction that I would look. And what I would look, so what can happen sometimes is if the viral load stays relatively high. So mono is an interesting infection and you can get all kinds of weird effects from it. The most common ones are the ones we know about, like fatigue and general malaise. But you can't have kind of lingering issues with the virus that causes, you know, with that virus. And so I would look at reducing viral load or looking at that in that direction. So you might want to meet with a virologist and bring this up to them.

1:07:01Because here's the thing with imaging, especially with athletes.

1:07:04Adam Schafer:if I put an athlete in an MRI or a scan, I'm almost always going to see something. And sometimes it causes symptoms and a lot of times it doesn't.

1:07:14Justin Andrews:Yeah, like you said.

1:07:16Adam Schafer:So that's where I would look. The other direction I would look would be at peptides that help modulate the immune system. So this would be things like thymusin alpha, BPC-157, and maybe even thymusin beta. Okay. As far as training is concerned, I would definitely train at a moderate intensity at most. Yeah, moderate intensity like symmetry, right? Yeah, because I think it's smart to train unilaterally. Like Adam just said, symmetry. We'll send you that program. I think that's smart. I don't think you should get after it because if I'm right, getting after it's going to make this worse. If they're right, and it is in fact just impingement, it's also going to make it worse.

1:08:02Justin Andrews:Keep it moderate.

1:08:03Adam Schafer:So whichever way you look at it, I would go moderate intensity. I would train unilaterally, go see a urologist, and then look into peptides. We'll send you a link to the people that we work with at mphormones.com because you're going to see all kinds of places you can get peptides. A lot of them are what are called gray market. It's actually black market. It's, you know, or you can go through actual medical professionals and you're injecting yourself with like stuff that's made in FDA regulated, uh, pharmacy, which is what I'm going to highly recommend, uh, that you do. Um, the other things you could do, uh, include sauna, uh, red light therapy, uh, make supplement with vitamin D, uh, get good sleep, um, and get sunlight.

1:08:48Adam Schafer:These are all things that can help with reducing, uh, immune response and helping with viral load. Right.

1:08:54Justin Andrews:Okay. Yeah. We actually have a juve, so I'll actually, uh, I'll get on that.

1:08:58Adam Schafer:Yes. So, and you can, you can use it on the whole body. So, um, now here's the, here's a crazy thing with, uh, with, uh, the, the, um, with mono and some of the lingering symptoms, they can last a while for some people. So, um, yeah, so, but, uh, most, most people that resolves, uh, most people it resolves within months. Some people get the weird, like fatigue symptoms for a year.

1:09:24Justin Andrews:Yeah. A year. Now you had it for a few weeks.

1:09:26Adam Schafer:I actually know someone who had it for a year. They were exhausted for a year. So it can be weird.

1:09:32Justin Andrews:Yeah, no, that's what the neurologist also thought it could possibly be a viral related as well. Um, yeah. Um, I don't know. It's just crazy to think it's been like eight months now and it's still could be causing me issues.

1:09:46Adam Schafer:Yeah. It's not super crazy, dude. Look up mono, look up long, like lingering mono online And you'll see there's a lot of people who have, uh, who've had that before. Like I said, so it's not super crazy. Uh, the good news is, you know, 99.9 % of time it'll resolve, but I definitely go to NP hormones, talk with them and then say, look, uh, I'd like, I need, I need, I want to look at peptides to reduce inflammation and, and to help my immune system. Uh, because I think I may, I may be having kind of some autoimmune issues related to a mono infection eight months ago and then they'll be able to recommend the right ones.

1:10:22Justin Andrews:Okay. Yeah, no, I can definitely do that.

1:10:24Adam Schafer:Yeah. And then, uh, I'd like to hear back from you, dude. Cause I, I don't like ending calls like this with mystery. I want to, I want to see what happens. So can we have you on in like a couple months again? Yeah, no, for sure. Cool. And I'm going to send you, I'm going to send you symmetry, follow that program for now. Yeah.

1:10:39Justin Andrews:And just a moderate intensity, moderate intensity, bro.

1:10:42Adam Schafer:Just go to the gym just to feel good. Don't, yeah, don't go crazy. It's going to feel, I know it's frustrating because you're, you're, you're an athlete. And so you probably don't know what the hell that feels like to work out at moderate intensity, but just, just chill for a second. Um, but we'll get to the bottom of this. Just

1:10:56Justin Andrews:build better recruitment patterns. So really just be intentional with your mechanics and, you know, and hit after that and hit the sauna post-workout after every workout. Also, I do feel like it altered my recruitment pattern a little bit. Like every time I go to hit, hit anything like chest press wise, it feels like my Dell just wants to completely take over. Yeah. Yeah. So let's address that.

1:11:17Adam Schafer:So if you have any kind of immune issue or, you know, related to the virus that's affecting your nervous system, that's what it's going to feel like. So just just so you know, like you may have, in fact, had this kind of impingement issue for a long time. But because now things are inflamed, it's concentrated in those areas. Does that make sense? So it's like you're susceptible. This is this is my theory. But I think it's weird that this all happened when you had mono. I think that that's a strange coincidence. exaggerate yeah so that's why that's why i'm there for sure that's why i would look in that direction

1:11:47Justin Andrews:okay yeah no for sure yeah all right dude all right yeah no i'll do that stuff yeah thanks guys all right man yeah it's been awesome thank you you got it yeah that's uh to me it's like uh the

1:12:00Adam Schafer:big clues are it happened when i had mono yeah and i felt it all over and then it got concentrated

1:12:06Justin Andrews:to this other area i think it's a valid theory dude like it's especially i've known people with mono and it has taken about a year for them to fully year dude well it probably doesn't help too

1:12:16Sal Di Stefano:when you have these bouts where all of a sudden you start to feel good and then you push it right which you know is what he's done right like he starts to feel a little good and then he probably hits it hard and then it comes back and bothers him again and so i'm sure that exact i told you

1:12:28Adam Schafer:guys about my cousin he was uh he had all these weird symptoms of pain he thought it was from jujitsu couldn't figure it out going to pt and it got worse he's like i can't sleep this is wild what's going on i can't i can't believe did i actually hurt myself this bad and it was like in random places areas he was susceptible but still it was like all over yeah and uh we were talking and uh he was telling me about how his daughters were real sick and then after that and i'm like wait a minute did you start feeling this stuff right around after the and so i'm like what kind of illness did they have and i'm like dude it was that virus you probably was that's a childhood disease you didn't get it when you were a kid you're and this is what it looks like an adult we looked it up sure enough yeah that's what it was and it took months took months and that went away.

1:13:08Adam Schafer:Yeah. Our next caller is Jamie from Oklahoma. Hi, Jamie. How you doing, Jamie?

1:13:13Justin Andrews:Hi. Oh my gosh. I'm so nervous.

1:13:16Adam Schafer:So is Justin. This is so exciting. Don't worry.

1:13:20Justin Andrews:I have to tell you that I found you originally on Facebook and I was getting these like 30 second to a minute, you know, videos. And I noticed y 'all were sitting in front of microphones and I thought, I wonder if they're actually recording a podcast. And lo and behold, I found hours and hours and years and years that I can binge listen to now. So I'm so excited. Thank you so much for taking my call. Yeah, you got it. How can I help you? So I'll just read my email. I made a little bit of some updates in it too, but hi, Mind Pump team. My name is Jamie and I'm a 42 year old wife, mom, and longtime fitness enthusiast.

1:14:00Justin Andrews:I recently found your podcast and I'm completely obsessed and listen voraciously whenever I get a chance. Some backstory, I'm just shy of 5 '11 and I'm about 131 pounds. I've been a group fitness instructor for 14 years. I teach a class just once per week and it's a dance strength class. I used to be an avid runner averaging about 40 miles per week, which I know is too much, but I was using running as a way to purge calories. I struggled for about 10 years with anorexia and over exercise. I even was diagnosed with osteopenia a few years ago, but have come back out of that by focusing on my diet and a good calcium supplement.

1:14:41Justin Andrews:A running injury plus the osteopenia diagnosis finally woke me up that what I was doing wasn't healthy. I currently eat about 1900 calories a day, and I know I probably need more than that to properly fuel my body, but I'm scared of weight gain on the scale. I consistently eat 150 to 200 grams of protein per day, and I have for about 18 months. I started really focusing on strength training about six months ago. My goal is to build muscle and look sculpted and toned. I'm currently strength training about five days per week, with two of those days being about 15 minutes and the other three about 45-minute sessions.

1:15:18Justin Andrews:I use the elliptical machine three days a week and I teach my strength dance class once per week. I consistently get at least 10 to 12 ,000 or more steps per day on average. I would really like to grow my glutes, but I've been struggling with inner thigh pain that never goes away. Even when I take more days off my leg workouts, it's like my inner thighs never recover. I know this pain's holding me back from progressing in my lifts as I feel the pain doing squats, deadlifts, and even hip thrusts. I've seen some strength gains, but I am thinking you're going to tell me I'm not eating enough to keep growing muscle, which is why I've stalled out and progressing further.

1:15:57Justin Andrews:Should I switch using dumbbells or a kettlebell for my squat since this would be a lighter weight? I would love your thoughts about this pain that's holding me back and what I should do diet training wise to really grow significant muscles and some advice on one of your programs that I should try as well.

1:16:12Sal Di Stefano:Okay. Let's start by saying you're doing a good job. You're moving in the right direction. What you came from, where you're at, and where you're going is obviously in the right direction. But I think your intuition is spot on. We're going to tell you, not only do you need to feed more, you also need to reduce what we're probably doing too. So a combination of the two of them. Okay. And more than likely, if you have the ability to outsource this where somebody else is kind of guiding you through it, would highly recommend that just because we've got a lot of experience with helping people through this process.

1:16:55Sal Di Stefano:And this is not like an X's and O's or just a formula numbers. The psychology of it is the most difficult part. It's like you're probably a very disciplined person. I'm sure you're intelligent. You understand health and fitness. you've been in it for a long time, you already knew what we're probably going to say to you. It's more of letting go and letting somebody else kind of guide you through that. That would be my advice.

1:17:17Adam Schafer:Jamie, I just want to thank you for calling in, because that's really tough, and just talking a little bit about your past. So if it's okay, do you mind if I ask you some direct questions?

1:17:29Justin Andrews:That's just fine. Okay.

1:17:30Adam Schafer:You're a mom?

1:17:32Justin Andrews:I'm a mom, yes, of two kids.

1:17:34Adam Schafer:Two kids. Okay, So I want you to pretend like you're, you're, as I'm talking to you, like you're talking to your own child, because that's what's going to help with this. Okay. Because of your background with anorexia, overtraining, over dieting, this process is going to be simple in terms of its prescription, but it's going to be really hard. It's going to be so, so hard. When the scale and how you look or even control, these are the big factors that tend to play a role in all of this. When those are elevated too high, like it's something that you're worshiping, a lot of sacrifices are made to that false God.

1:18:15Adam Schafer:And the sacrifices look like health. They look like family. They look like sanity. They look like a lot of things that you're sacrificing on the altar of the scale and maybe the mirror and those types of things. and control. Okay. And I'm sure that's resonating with you. It's really hard. It's really hard to break free from it. You probably do a really good job of taking care of everybody else. But you can't do that very well if you're not taking care of yourself. I know the wake up call was osteoporosis, but I'm sure if you look back now that you're kind of seeing things a little differently there was probably a lot of signs that led up to that that maybe weren't as jarring that you might may have ignored so we're a bit of a crossroads totally fixable totally fixable but you're looking at about six months to a year of it's going to be really hard okay you can't weigh yourself because i know what that'll do to you you can't focus on the mirror it's not about control so what adam said the reason why what adam said is so valuable is because part of this process is going to be letting go of the control.

1:19:27Justin Andrews:That's really hard.

1:19:29Adam Schafer:Super hard. It's super anxiety-inducing. It really sucks to let somebody else tell you what to do and then you just do it. But within about six months to a year, what it's going to look like is this. At first, you're going to be like, cool, I'm going to do this. Then it's going to be like, this is scary. Then it's going to be like, I don't want to do this anymore. I don't want to do this anymore. Okay, but I'm going to keep trying. And then it's going to be like, wait a minute, I feel like more energy. Oh my God, I'm feeling more clarity. This is starting to change how my relationship is with these things.

1:20:02Adam Schafer:And then it's going to be like, this is different. And I like this. And I don't think I ever want to go back. But that's the typical process with a lot of bumps in the road along the way. Okay. So I think a coach would be super valuable for you. And here's what they're going to tell you to do. Okay. you're going to drastically reduce uh your activity walking is fine probably no cardio strength training is going to look like half of what you're currently doing and yes your calories are going to have to go up all those things are going to have to happen and and depending on your

1:20:36Sal Di Stefano:comfort level and honesty yeah it might be a little stepping process you got to be super honest with

1:20:40Adam Schafer:your coach like super honest like you get you got to say don't just go along with what they say because they're telling you if you know you're not going to do it. So if they say to you, we've got to bump your calories, 400 calories, and cut your cardio, and you're making that face inside, and you're like, yeah, I know you're saying that, but there's no way in hell I'm going to do that, you tell your coach, okay, I can do one of those, but I can't do both or whatever. And then if you mess up, because you're messing up, it may look like this. It may look like, I know they said I need to eat 2 ,300 calories, but today I'm going to bring it down to 1 ,900 because I'm feeling a little puffy.

1:21:11Adam Schafer:Or, you know, I know they said no elliptical, but I'm going to get on there just because I feel good. You're going to want to not tell your coach, but you should tell them. And our coaches are trained very well at working through these things. And so you're just going to get a lot of grace and maybe some step back and then moving forward. But it's going to be a tough process. But you're at the right place. You're calling in. You're actually saying the right things. Huge step, yeah. So I have a lot of hope for what this is going to look like for you moving forward. The end of this, you're going to feel so much different, James.

1:21:40Adam Schafer:So much better. So much better.

1:21:42Sal Di Stefano:Energy, strength, ass, all those things. It's all coming your way, Jamie. It is. It's all coming your way. You got to trust us, though.

1:21:51Adam Schafer:I think the pain in your inner thighs has less to do with muscle recruitment patterns and correctional exercise and more to do with overtraining and under eating. 100%. Okay.

1:22:00Sal Di Stefano:Yep. All that stuff's going to get better. Yep. To recover.

1:22:04Justin Andrews:I have been increasing my calories about 50 every week just because I'm so scared of like the huge jump. Yeah. Is that something I could keep doing?

1:22:14Adam Schafer:There's two. Yes. So here's what a coach will coach you through. Cause there's, there's two things we need to consider with that. What's optimal and what is going to work for Jamie. Yeah. So optimal, I'd bump you 500 calories today. Is that going to freak you out so much that you just don't want to call me back? Maybe. So then we're going to back off because the goal is to get you there. Optimal is what's going to work for you. We want you to adhere to it.

1:22:39Sal Di Stefano:This is what I meant too by this is not just simply like an X's and O's or a numbers thing. This is going to be a process. It's going to be a coach saying one thing one week. And you have a great week. Then you're going to have some tough weeks. And so I don't know if you've been listening to current episodes or not where I've shared my journey with Corinne, right? So I don't know if you've heard those. A little bit, yes. You're talking about an experienced, brilliant trainer and coach because this is a past history, and I'm trying to take her up in calories. This is a lot of our conversations, and she'll be the first one to tell you.

1:23:13Sal Di Stefano:It's not easy. And even having all the answers, and she knows what to do, yet still leans on me all the time. And there's a lot of times where I have to back off a little bit. I push her, and then I can tell she's having some issues, struggling, frustrated, and some of that. Then I give her a diet break. We break for a week or two. that I get back at it again. And so there's a lot of that talk back and forth. And it's not whether she knows what to do or not. It's just simply having someone to kind of guide her through that process.

1:23:39Adam Schafer:And just so you know, Jamie, what you're experiencing and your challenges are so common in the fitness industry.

1:23:46Justin Andrews:Very, very common.

1:23:47Adam Schafer:It's actually more common than not.

1:23:50Justin Andrews:Yeah.

1:23:51Adam Schafer:So you working in the fitness industry is like, yeah, of course. Almost every trainer I talked to at one point had this kind of struggle. But it's solvable. Totally is solvable.

1:24:03Justin Andrews:Okay. I also recently had a DEXA scan done, and they put me at 20.9 % body fat. Is that something that I can stay at, do you think? Does it need to go higher?

1:24:16Adam Schafer:Yeah, no. You got to get out of that mentality right now. Yeah, it doesn't matter right now. There's two things that don't matter right now. The scale and your body fat percentage. I don't care. I do not care. so and i would tell you this as a coach you're probably going to gain some body fat that's what we want initially yeah you're probably going to get and so i know if that's scary i want you to make peace with it that that's probably going to go up but honestly i wouldn't even let you dexa scan i don't care i just want to see how strong you're getting that's what i'm going to pay

1:24:41Sal Di Stefano:attention to that was one of the biggest mistakes i did with corinne is i let her dexa scan and our body fat percentage went up and it spun us out and put us and i'm like it i that bad coach on my part. I was so excited because I saw our strength going up so much that I selfishly wanted to see the DEXA scan. And what happened was our body fat percentage went up and that spun her out. And I should have known better not to do that.

1:25:04Adam Schafer:Jamie, you have two kids, you said?

1:25:06Justin Andrews:Yes. And I homeschool.

1:25:07Adam Schafer:Okay. Oh, wonderful. Boy, girl, girl, two girls, two boys.

1:25:10Justin Andrews:A boy and a girl, 17 and 13.

1:25:12Adam Schafer:Okay. Who's the girl? 13?

1:25:14Justin Andrews:My 13 year old.

1:25:15Adam Schafer:So when you get, when this gets tough, Jamie, I want you to think, how would I talk to my daughter. And I know that sounds silly, but it's going to snap you out of it. I promise. Because I know you love your daughter. I know you're a great mom. I can tell. So you just, okay, what would I say to my daughter right now? I got to take my own advice because we're way better with our kids and as trainers, way better with our clients and with ourselves.

1:25:36Sal Di Stefano:Also, let that be your motivation to stick through this, right? Is that you don't want her to have to struggle with something. Yeah, a hundred percent, right? So let that be your driving force to stick it through and go through it when it gets tough, because it'll be tough. It is. It's definitely tough.

1:25:50Adam Schafer:Okay.

1:25:50Sal Di Stefano:But we'll help you through this. Totally. Yep.

1:25:52Adam Schafer:So what the prescription's going to look like is way less exercise, more calories, but we'll have somebody walk with you through this process. And you're looking at conservatively six months, realistically close to a year of this kind of work.

1:26:07Justin Andrews:Okay. Thank you guys so much. You got it.

1:26:10Adam Schafer:I'll have somebody call you. Is that okay, Jamie? Yes. That's just fine. Thank you. Thank you for calling in. Excited for you. Thank you. Bye.

1:26:16Justin Andrews:Thank you. Bye.

1:26:17Sal Di Stefano:Oh, poor lady.

1:26:18Adam Schafer:Yeah. That's tough, man.

1:26:19Sal Di Stefano:You know, like you said, though, you know, and encouraging is where she's at, she's open enough to come on a podcast here where tons of people are going to see her and put herself out there, which means she's at a lot of people in the fitness space are suffering from this and not talking about it.

1:26:39Adam Schafer:Not only not talking about it, they don't even want to acknowledge it. No, yeah, no.

1:26:42Sal Di Stefano:They're leaning into it.

1:26:43Adam Schafer:And you know what's even worse about this, Adam? you know this uh being in the extreme space of bodybuilding in the fitness space you're surrounded by other people that are like this yeah and so it seems like this oh yeah it's what

1:26:54Sal Di Stefano:we do well and then double down on it and when you're you know shredded body fiber sentence on instagram you're being celebrated for it and so don't know it's so funny that happened to me last

1:27:05Adam Schafer:night last night i was at a i was serving at the church this guy comes up to me and he's in his 60s and he's you you are so healthy and fit i need to be more like you and i'm like no no no I'm obsessed. It's extreme. No, no, it's great. It's good that you're disciplined. He has no idea. He just looks at me and thinks, and I'm like, no, dude, you don't understand.

1:27:22Sal Di Stefano:Well, that's what I mean, right? Like if you're in denial about it, right, you obviously openly talk about it. But if you were in denial about it and you're getting told, oh, you look so amazing. I wish I was like, you're so healthy. You're like, yes, I am. Yeah. Discipline. Yeah. That's so crazy. Hopefully we help her. Yeah.

1:27:42Justin Andrews:Our next caller is Caleb from Pennsylvania. Caleb, what's happening? What's up, Caleb? What's up, man? This is cool. How are you guys doing? Good, man. How can we help you? Well, I'm just going to read like everybody else does from the phone. I didn't include much background in my email, but I did want to talk about my metabolism and reverse diet journey since listening to you guys, because I think it'll be helpful to a lot of listeners. In early COVID, I lost about 80 pounds doing all the wrong things. Fasting, cardio, no lifting, no protein. I found you guys like four years ago, having lost a ton of muscle.

1:28:18Justin Andrews:And my maintenance, once I started tracking, was 1 ,500 calories. Later found through blood work that I tanked my thyroid, starving myself during that weight loss. I think a lot of listeners hear your callers and how you can recommend people jump a couple hundred calories a week, every couple of weeks, and get discouraged like I did because I had to take it so slow. I did a complete 180. I hit my protein goals, used only your MAPS programs, changed sleep habits, and even still, it took me over 18 months of being absolutely dialed to get my maintenance from 1 ,500 up to 2 ,000. Many times, I had to backtrack and stay at a level for months.

1:28:58Justin Andrews:However, in 2025, everything changed. Using the scale to maintain my weight, my reverse diet saw me go from 2 ,000 all the way to 3 ,800 calories. I was constantly hitting PRs in literally every lift of your programs. and I straight up traded 19 pounds of fat for lean mass with no change on the scale. So this is what you guys call the Goldilocks zone, I think. Yeah, dude. Yeah, that's sick. Fast forward to now, and the reason why I wrote in, I'm regressing. Wrist and forearm are the causes. I've been doing physical therapy for significant forearm pain. Um, um, it's worse in things like hammer curls, um, pull-ups, um, and even limiting and with like pressure down on them with like dumbbell presses, just getting the weight down on, um, and in the forearm here.

1:29:48Justin Andrews:Um, and then as for wrists, my grip, I've found, uh, like my deadlift hasn't changed much in the last six months or so I can do three 35 for a few reps, but grip is the failure point, not anything else. I could definitely go higher. So I've never used straps or belts and I haven't wanted to do that based on listening to you guys. So I wanted to see your thoughts on programming or where do I go from here? I'm going to guess, it sounds like I had a lot of newbie gains in the beginning. So I do my tendons and stuff need to catch up, but I wanted to see your thoughts on that.

1:30:22Adam Schafer:I'm going to tennis elbow. Yeah, bro, great. First off, let me just reflect a little bit on what you experienced. I'm so glad you called in.

1:30:28Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, great. Great example. So great visual for people.

1:30:31Adam Schafer:And this can be a bit mysterious. So somebody can lose a ton of weight, 80 pounds, a lot of weight. And they can, you know, do it in the ways you said, like starving yourself, you know, trying to burn tons of calories or cardio, whatever. And it can place you in this position where now you're resting metabolic rates really low. And so you're like, okay, I got to reverse out of it. And sometimes it takes a while. So I've had a few clients like you where it's like, oh my God, we got to, it's going to take us a year. It took me a year with some of these people. i'm not quite sure why i've heard some theories one of them is that your body maybe it's your central nervous system kind of has a memory of that starvation period and just doesn't want to reverse gears with the metabolic rate until it feels and this is like non-scientific safe yep which is kind of what happened like you had to do it for a while do it for a while and then boom your body's like we're good now we can start burning more calories um which is what you experienced and so that can happen to some people so i'm glad you called in because now we have an example of what that kind of looks like but it definitely works now the forearm pain can you

1:31:32Justin Andrews:point to where it hurts yeah so it's up in here so hammer curls when that comes up okay um so tennis well at least i've gone to some doctors they didn't think it was tennis elbow um but yeah it's right up in here okay so here and you're doing physical uh physical therapist uh physical yeah and they're having me do well wrist stuff too like you know the hammer stuff and you know

1:31:55Adam Schafer:So I've had experience with this personally and a couple of the clients. So I got this, and I got it when I was doing a lot of Brazilian jiu-jitsu. And it was like, it was mysterious. Couldn't figure out what was going on. I'd do the mobility stuff. I'd take a break, get a little better, come back, and start hurting me again. And it wasn't until I had a really painful deep tissue massage on my forearms. Like literally the lady spent an hour on just my forearms. Um, and within a few weeks it got rid of it completely. So I don't know if you've had any experience with that. Um, but you want to look for a sports massage therapist, correctional massage therapist, and have them do that where you, like you literally put your forearms on, uh, on something and they dig in and really work on those areas, uh, to bring that down.

1:32:47Adam Schafer:because I think what's happening, your CNS is just remaining a little activated in your forearms, which is causing this chronic tightness.

1:32:53Justin Andrews:Still protective.

1:32:53Adam Schafer:So the correctional exercise stuff is good, but if you're not able to dampen the CNS signal, it's going to kind of linger. And so that's where I would look right out the gates is somebody who, like, I need to go to somebody.

1:33:08Justin Andrews:Get some release so you can go through those movements and correct that pattern.

1:33:11Sal Di Stefano:This would be also a good time to move away from a lot of bilateral stuff for a while and actually get into things like symmetry, I think would be a good alternative for lifting right now. I don't know how long, have you been training kind of bilaterally for a long time? Or have you - So I've been listening to you guys.

1:33:26Justin Andrews:I've done symmetry three or four times. Oh, okay. Oh, good. Actually my favorite program. Oh, good.

1:33:32Sal Di Stefano:Oh, good, good. Okay, good. Yeah, that'll -

1:33:34Justin Andrews:So what it's worth, during my physical therapy, it was only my left forearm. During the process, my right is now having it. So like I created the issue over here too. Yeah. So clearly, you know, I don't think it's a structural thing. No, I don't. I don't either.

1:33:48Adam Schafer:So static stretching will give you temporary relief. So the top of the forearm would be arm extended with your hand flexed behind your body and really hold that stretch for a long time. Rifle flips. Yeah, rifle flips with a stick is another one. You can look that up. And you would do that kind of before and in between sets. Keep your intensity moderate for now. find somebody who understands really deep tissue massage and they're going to work on forearms and maybe a trapped neck area because sometimes there's a connection there spiraling sort of

1:34:23Justin Andrews:mobility practice for you to kind of get that arm and reaching out is really going to help to

1:34:28Adam Schafer:unlock that yeah but like if i was with you right now what i would have you do is i'd put you in a deep stretch and then i'd work the hell out of your uh brachial radialis muscle um and then i'd say okay do you feel better and if you see relief yeah within a few minutes like oh kind of pain dissipated a little bit like okay this is what we need to do let's move through it okay yeah and i

1:34:46Justin Andrews:i've been taking it easy and if i do nothing for a couple weeks it's i don't feel it at all yeah the second start lifting again it's right back what do you want some indian clubs dude oh yeah

1:34:55Adam Schafer:that might be okay so here's the thing like he needs to like get them to chill before he does

1:34:59Justin Andrews:any of course loaded wise right that's why like a prime pro like i don't know if you have access to that or not but like some of those wrist cars and shoulder mobility just movements and and rotational movement but like holding and static poses of it will really help to kind of like gain back that mobility and strength in that range of motion order of operation would look like what

1:35:20Sal Di Stefano:sal saying deep tissue first what justin saying with uh prime pro the wrist cars and shoulder stuff and then the third thing would be like indian clubs like that's how i would work if you were my client deep tissue release all that calm it down like sal saying then go to what justin's saying, which is go to your wrist cars, shoulder stuff, do all the mobility from Prime Pro. We'll send that to you if you don't have it. And then the third thing is get a hold of like an Indian club. And that would be the way I kind of prime before I get into any sort of working out at all.

1:35:46Adam Schafer:Honestly, four weeks, like four sessions with the person who's working on this. If I'm right, you should see some pretty substantial benefits from doing that. It took me literally three weeks. Those are chronic issue for me for years.

1:35:58Justin Andrews:I've had it too.

1:35:59Adam Schafer:Three weeks gone for me. And then I've had other clients that I pointed in this direction. It was the same thing.

1:36:04Justin Andrews:Am I still doing any programs during this or am I literally doing nothing?

1:36:08Adam Schafer:No, no, you can. I would go moderate intensity though. So you know what makes you painful? You know what makes you hurt? Just go easy on that kind of stuff.

1:36:16Sal Di Stefano:You still train your legs, lunges, movements like that.

1:36:20Justin Andrews:Prime ahead of time before your workouts is the main thing. I think I have prime. I don't think I have prime pro. I'll send it to you. You got it, bro.

1:36:28Sal Di Stefano:You got it, dude.

1:36:30Justin Andrews:So my wrists. I feel like I have weak wrists and wrists it's all connected that's the prime process that Justin's talking about that's probably the main issue

1:36:42Adam Schafer:so the muscles that stabilize the wrist the meat of the muscles are up here at the top of the forearm so when these are tight and there's issues there it's very common that you start feeling issues in the wrist oh okay awesome find somebody do that I'm serious like 3-4 weeks of that And if you see like some good relief, like we're in the right direction.

1:37:04Sal Di Stefano:Awesome.

1:37:05Adam Schafer:I didn't expect you to go this way.

1:37:07Justin Andrews:I feel like a lot of people say like, I know exactly what they're going to say. I did not even think about like deep tissue massage and stuff. I mean, when you have somebody like this,

1:37:13Sal Di Stefano:it can be mysterious too, right? I think we're all speaking from experience. I mean, I think we've all suffered from this and we're all given our personal like things that we've done.

1:37:21Adam Schafer:So just explain it so you can kind of get the science behind it. So when your body senses some kind of instability, which is going to happen with somebody who gains strength very rapidly. So it's not uncommon.

1:37:36Justin Andrews:I think it's a weakness in the wrist.

1:37:37Adam Schafer:So it starts to sense some instability. Could be in the wrist, could be in the shoulder area. Then what it does, the central nervous system tightens up the muscles to create some stability there because it senses instability. But then because the CNS is kind of firing a little bit all the time, which is that tightness, then you start to get inflammation. So what, what massage does, like if you have a tight, you probably felt this before in your neck where you're like, oh, my neck's kind of tight. And then somebody press on it for a while or your wife presses on it. And then suddenly like, oh, that released.

1:38:06Adam Schafer:It sends a signal back to the CNS that says, relax. That's all that pressure does. And so it'll get the CNS to kind of calm down a little bit. Yeah.

1:38:14Justin Andrews:I was doing grassening after workouts for quite a while and it felt good in the moment, but yeah, it didn't really do anything wrong. Yeah. No, no, Get somebody that's going to get in there with their elbow. The mobility and the strengthening afterward is going to help you to, to get past it.

1:38:27Sal Di Stefano:That's why the order is what I sold you is get the, get, yeah, get the deep tissue work done to it. Then do the stuff that Justin's saying in prime pro and then do like Indian clubs and then train. Like those are kind of like the, the formula for you to get back to awesome. Yep.

1:38:42Justin Andrews:Yep. Hey, I really appreciate it. I am a living proof of what you guys preach every day on the podcast. Great story, dude. It took me a long time, but, man, it's been nuts the last year. That's amazing, bro. Way to stick with it, bro. Yeah, great having you call in.

1:38:56Sal Di Stefano:You're going to help somebody else who's probably struggling with the same thing, so that's awesome, dude. Thank you. Awesome.

1:38:59Adam Schafer:Thank you, guys. You got it, man. I just did this yesterday. We were at my son's soccer practice, and my dad shows up. My parents are watching, and my dad's like, oh, Sal, my neck has been so tight. It's been tight for like four weeks. I don't know what's going on. You're like, hold on a second. Bro, I went back there. First of all, it felt like wood, so I'm like, oh, this is tight. and I was pressing on it and within, I don't know, five minutes of me pressing on it, my dad's like, son of a bitch. He's like, it feels so much better. He's like, what did you do? And so I'm trying to explain to him like, you know, what's happening.

1:39:30Adam Schafer:I'm like, I'm like, it's just, I'm just pressing on telling the CNS to calm down. I said, I think there's some instability in your shoulder and I was kind of explaining that to him. And so, I mean, that's what happens. Now, when you combine it with correctional exercise, that's when it gets, that's when it's permanent. Yeah, that's when you get past the issue.

1:39:43Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

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