2888: The 6 Best Lifts for Athletic Fitness (That Actually Transfer to Real Life)

12:03Sal Di Stefano:you would get from being able to press a lot well you also get a lot of good upper chest involved a real true full overhead press where you bring the bar yeah when you bring that all the way down to your upper chest it's you know you get some upper chest development from that and strength

12:19Adam Schafer:so it's such a great lift then we have the trap bar deadlift uh this is you know and i've heard people make this argument i've heard athletic coaches make the argument that the trap bar deadlift is better for athletes than the conventional deadlift. Part of that, I believe, is it's a lower risk of injury. It's a lower skill exercise. The other part of it might have to do more with that. It's more of an upright, which might translate better to sports. I like exercises that have a high carryover that are also lower skill because you can get into them quicker and exert force faster uh of course lower risk of injury is always a good thing uh so long as there's a lot of carryover yeah so trap bar deadlifts are really valuable yeah i mean even

13:04Justin Andrews:just my tiny stint of like going through like two years of trying to help program for like student athletes and whatnot it was the the biggest hurdle was really to get them to learn these movements in you know in a really short amount of time before then now we jump right back to season and so it's like how much can you really um move the needle in terms of their optimizing their performance and strength in that period of time and so you're you're kind of weighing these things out um it risk reward too is obviously one of those other ones um but i really do think it's the skills a big that's a big factor because i could i could like you know take a big group and we could we could go through this and learn it uh pretty effectively and load it like almost

13:49Sal Di Stefano:immediately well it's it also has a tremendous amount more carryover into sport because very few sports just in fact i can't think of any off the top of my head that yeah that are posterior based yeah that require your hips to be down 90 degrees or lower you'll see that in wrestling

14:05Adam Schafer:that's about it maybe wrestling yeah you'll see like you see like zurcher deadlifts deadlifts like really like jefferson curls like these are like oh yeah well i mean wrestling like bridging

14:14Justin Andrews:and all that makes sense you know into your neck and all that yeah it's it's its own category you

14:18Adam Schafer:see that with like greco roman uh wrestlers uh would do stuff like that but the skill involved like we're thinking about the average person i can take most average but not everybody because it's still a deadlift but i can take most people without major injury and we could do a trap bar deadlift day one uh and i could load it within a few weeks uh typically i can start to load it a straight bar deadlift often to every everyday person it would take me months well to your point

14:42Sal Di Stefano:Most people that are interested in an athletic pursuit that are average day people, I would think are doing recreational sports. Most of them are wrestling. Sure. It's recreational, right? Like recreational, I would think of basketball, football, baseball, soccer. Those are all like you pick up on the weekend. Or you do a league with your buddies in your 30s and you do something like that. But like, and all those I think are, a trap bar deadlift is going to translate over to that.

15:17Adam Schafer:As a personal trainer, I use trap bar deadlifts all the time. I could get a lot of people to do it. Straight bar deadlift, sometimes it took me a long time to get somebody to be able to pull.

15:24Sal Di Stefano:I mean, it's like the goal is to be able to do a straight bar. But the truth is that you started a lot of clients on the trap bar.

15:32Adam Schafer:And I'm basing a lot of this. I mean, I didn't train a lot of athletes as a trainer. A lot of my experience was just everyday people. but when I look at athletic trainers and I, the ones I, at least I, I really, uh, admire, um, they all trap bar deadlift. You see this in basketball players, football players, uh, baseball, like they're all using the trap bar. Um, and so I got to go with what these coaches are doing.

15:52Sal Di Stefano:You're also, uh, you're also not going to do something unless you're going to do like a full snatch, but you're not, you're not going to do something explosive with a traditional deadlift, conventional deadlift. You will let trap bar trap bar. You will do it. I see them do jumping Inducive for that, yeah. Yeah.

16:06Justin Andrews:That's another bonus. If you're programming it, now we can add this new phase. It's more acceleration-based, and we can add that in as the protocol for it. And you're not doing that with conventional.

16:18Sal Di Stefano:Conventional deadlift is more of a grinding lift. Yep. And so you're not going to do that with that, so it makes sense that this would be more for athletic things.

16:26Adam Schafer:And then we have the one-arm row and pull-ups. We'll start with pull-ups. Pull-ups are just – pull-ups are great for athleticism because you've got this wonderful kind of limiting factor of body weight. Strength to weight ratio for most sports is really important. I say for most because some sports weight plays a role. You still got to have good strength to weight ratio, though. You can't just be a heavy person. But strength to weight ratio in general is what makes you move well. It makes no difference if you're a big person and you're strong, but your strength to weight ratio is terrible. To give you an example, you take somebody who lifts weights too strong at 200 pounds and you suddenly make them 150 pounds with the same strength that is an explosive person oh yeah all of a sudden force of nature and so pull-ups are cool because uh you know it's like it's a little checks and balances and what kind of happens sometimes with strength training sometimes not often but sometimes people get carried away with the strength and size and end up figuring out they lost athleticism because the strength to weight ratio was thrown off and pull-ups got that uh built in and then one-arm rows uh with rotation just Justin's favorite way to do one home row and it's there's a reason for it and it's because when you're pulling something you're rotating you're almost never just pulling something your body's natural anatomy is inclined

17:36Justin Andrews:to just rotate even if it's just subtle so um i'm always i'm always like work with it you know work with these mechanics uh you know we're doing throwing patterns we're uh you know we're holding sticks like everything is dynamic and moving and rotational based like with sports so uh you know to strengthen it and any opportunity I can do to throw that into a workout, I'm going to find it.

17:58Sal Di Stefano:Well, we have to here, right? Because so far you haven't named anything that has any sort of rotational component into it, right? And that's, I mean, if you're going to have an athletic pursuit, there's got to be a decent amount of rotational work included in there. Totally.

18:09Adam Schafer:Hanging leg raises would be another one done properly, please. This is, I mean, you got to be really strong first off to be able to do these, but when you do these, these really do strengthen the lumbar pelvic hip area and the core. Like they really strengthen the core quite a bit. It's great to be able to bring your pelvis up or rotate it up while using your hip flexors at the same time. This is very active in almost every time you run or jump or try to move in any particular way. It's a great way to build the core in a functional way. And then bodybuilders love it because it builds the abs. You just got to be able to do them right.

18:45Justin Andrews:Well, even if you're doing them right, you're still working your hip flexor on. So I like that it's both. That's right. Yeah. And it's not just, isolating like yeah if you're doing it wrong you're just going to isolate your hip flexor but um i like that it's strengthening everything there in the in the hip complex that's right

19:00Sal Di Stefano:and your core and abs are just such a crucial part of my gosh athletic pursuit that you have to have something that's that's directly targeting your core you know i'll never forget this as a

19:10Adam Schafer:trainer i had um some clients that were pretty high level um one was uh did iron man then i had and marathon runners, triathletes. And what was wild to me, and I didn't predict this, but then it was very clear afterwards. If they were going to go do any of their athletic pursuit, whether it be running, cycling, swimming, whatever, later in the day, sometimes they'd have to stack the workouts. If I trained their legs earlier in the day, they could still go and perform. If I trained their core, it threw them off. It was, and I didn't predict, I thought, man, if I hit your legs, it's going to really mess you up on your run.

19:45Justin Andrews:Fatiguing and bracing with, yeah, like a fatigue core.

19:49Adam Schafer:I could not fatigue their core before they'd go. It's problematic. It messed them up every single time. That's how important it is. And then lastly, you mentioned a rotation. Band chops. So these are side chops. You can do downward. You can do them upward, sideways. Bands, athletic. Bands allow speed and power. So you can do bands controlled. And it's consistent resistance.

20:10Sal Di Stefano:Now, is this interchangeable for you guys with med balls or cable chops? Totally.

20:16Adam Schafer:I like cable chops, but you know what bands let you do? They let you explode. You ever try to explode with a cable? You're slamming the stack all over the place.

20:22Justin Andrews:Well, I like mid-balls just because of the release. And so, yeah, it's concentric, focused primarily, which is a lot closer to what you're going to have with sports. It's like really that release and then control. But if you're doing multiple reps and you're trying to add resistance, I think bands is smooth in terms of that consistency of resistance.

20:43Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, I would argue they all belong in there.

20:47Justin Andrews:Cables that I use all the time too.

20:49Sal Di Stefano:Because what I like about the cable is, so I put an anti-rotational component to there, which I think is also important for life. Because you're going to get, in sport a lot of times, you're going to get forces left to right that are pushing against you. So that ability to chop and then to be able to stop. Yeah, anti-rotation I think is a lot of value. So I would include all three in this category. where I'd be like band chops, med ball tosses, and cable with the anti-rotation component.

21:14Adam Schafer:You know what I did? That was such a game changer. So back when I used to have my studio, this was back, remember when free motion was getting real popular with the two mobile arms or whatever? So when I got my studio, this was a long time ago, so I don't know, Jesus, like maybe almost 17, 18 years ago, I went online looking at machines that were like free motion. And they had this one machine in there. I think it was called the Da Vinci, I want to say. Do you remember it? when you came to see my studio? So it was a big machine, two stacks, and it had pulleys going all the way up. And it was kind of curved?

21:46Adam Schafer:Yes.

21:47Justin Andrews:Yes, I've seen those. And then what it had on, and I got,

21:49Adam Schafer:I bought it for my gym, and I loved it. It's so big. I loved it, but I loved it because you could use both at the same time. It was easy to use with clients. But what was really cool about it was the first time I'd ever seen a machine that had attachments on the stacks for bands. And the reason why you did that is so you could be explosive. because if you swing really fast with a cable, you know what happens with the cable. It jumps. You get the slack. You get the jump. But I would attach the bands to it, and I could explode.

22:14Sal Di Stefano:Oh, I didn't know I handled that.

22:15Adam Schafer:It was really cool. I didn't know I handled that.

22:17Justin Andrews:I forgot about that machine.

22:19Adam Schafer:So just something you could do even - Is that still there? I don't know. I think that -

22:23Sal Di Stefano:When was the last time you've been by there? Oh, I live by there. I know. That's what it was. When was the last time you've been by there?

22:27Adam Schafer:I think there's nothing in there. I think it's gone now. Yeah, I think it's gone.

22:30Sal Di Stefano:Oh, they got rid of it.

22:31Adam Schafer:I went by one day, and it was gone. I sold it to one of my trainers who took it over. And then they ran it for a while. And then now it's not there anymore. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah.

22:44Sal Di Stefano:Oh, it's no longer there.

22:46Adam Schafer:No. Oh, wow. A lot of good memories of that. I walk by there all the time.

22:49Sal Di Stefano:I mean, every once in a while I drive by that area. In fact, I drove by there just the other day. And I thought about it. I was like, oh, you know, I haven't been by ABS in a long time. I wonder who's running it.

22:57Adam Schafer:I was really big into acronyms. You know what I'm saying. ABS. I call it Advanced Body Solution.

23:04Sal Di Stefano:You were really big on lexicon. You wanted to create your own lexicon. I was on board with you for that for a minute. You sold me on it. You're right. We are going to change language.

23:15Adam Schafer:That's just my sales ability. Not that it's a good idea. Yeah, but that was a good time, dude. I walked by there the other day, and I was kind of looking in and just remember. It was like a small little space. We had a good time.

23:27Sal Di Stefano:I wonder what the average gym, how long the average gym lasts. Private gym.

23:33Adam Schafer:Bro, private gym. is not a good i think you're better off opening a average a restaurant it's so hard i wonder that's

23:40Sal Di Stefano:a good question is it falling that tough of a category it's got to be i see them pop up and shut down all the time oh i know so so many trainers that work for me try to oh here you

23:50Adam Schafer:go doug what you got yeah what's the stats no how long does the average uh put uh put personal training studio uh stay in business put that because that would kind of yeah that would be yeah stay in business it was um it was a i was funny i was telling my daughter the the history of that most don't get into business what do you think i don't think most make i think 80 percent don't make five years one to two years yeah one of two years that's what i was thinking however studios that survived their initial launch and transition excuse me to stable ownership often scale to a sustainable five to seven years or more industry attrition rates are high with surveys indicating that 20 or 40 percent of small box gyms and studios close within their first year wow yeah yeah trainers need to hear this you know it's because trainers i think it's like first

24:38Justin Andrews:years really like make or break whether it's going to go anywhere yeah i had mine you know

24:42Sal Di Stefano:the mistake they all make and again you know this is a this was a constant conversation i had to have is they build up enough to where they have somewhat of a clientele at a big box at a big box gym and they go this big box gym is taking they do the math if i just if i don't even do the way they think even if i don't get any more clients i just have my clients yeah because they they have all this new overhead yeah it just it doesn't matter anymore and those people don't stay with you for 10 years they just don't the average client doesn't stay with a trainer for 10 years and you have to replace them and then you go oh shit how do i do that you know and you think it's going to be easy and it's just not no you better love the hell out of it and you

25:24Adam Schafer:better be really good that's how i always and you got to be and you also have to not be shy like you got to go out and talk to people in your area all the time yeah all the time it's it's tough

25:35Sal Di Stefano:because most most leave because they do the the math and the money thing and yet it's not a great pursuit if you want to try and make more money nope it's like you most trainers you'll work more and make the same amount if you're lucky if you're lucky yeah and many of them made more of that

25:52Justin Andrews:commercial jam that was me i mean i had always flirted with the idea of it and was like pursuing it but then i would talk to the places where i was renting out of and i was making way more than the owner yeah and so it was like this that'd be dumb yeah you guys look at me

26:09Sal Di Stefano:not like that i did okay well you're you're also the right person in my opinion because you're so you're you truly are pat you're not a you're not a you're not a money-driven guy no you're not no You know, that's part of why it makes us all great partners is that it wouldn't work probably if you were that. You're very passion and purpose driven. And so you were very successful. That was fulfilled for what you did. But if you were like, I'm trying to build this thing to be a franchise and be a millionaire or some shit like that, it was not a good idea.

26:38Adam Schafer:I was telling my daughter the whole story about how I went into, like how I became an entrepreneur. Because I was 24 years old when I started that. And I didn't realize I never told her the story. And so she's looking at me and she's like, you did what? Why did you do that? You jumped into what? How much was, and I'm just telling the story. And as I'm telling her, I'm hearing the things that I did or me jumping in. I was like, yeah, it was kind of crazy. I was talking to a buddy of mine who's like, I'm thinking about going into business for myself. I have some questions. And so we're going back and forth.

27:08Adam Schafer:And I said, and I can already hear as he's talking. And I'm like, I got to tell you, biggest mistake somebody makes is they over plan everything. I said, most entrepreneurs who kind of make it, bro, it's like you jump out of the plane and then you start to make a parachute as you're falling. That's kind of a lot of what it's about. You've got to just go.

27:25Sal Di Stefano:Now, you made it work, and you made it work for quite some time. So I wouldn't consider that a failure at all. What comes to mind when you think of some of your worst business ideas or businesses?

27:33Adam Schafer:Oh, I had a big failure in there. I did have one. I opened – so I had this location, the one you're talking about. It's in Los Gatos. You could drive by. ABS Fitness. I had that location. it was doing really well. I had people who would pay me rent. I had my client base and I'm in a spot open in the same shopping center, two doors down. And I thought, you know, it'd be a good idea if I had group, uh, like group fitness classes, like yoga, meditation, mobility, whatever. And I offered it over there. So now I have high ticket services, personal training, lower ticket services group. So I thought this is going to be a great idea.

28:13Adam Schafer:Here's the problem. I was in my studio making it happen every single day. It could not be.

28:18Justin Andrews:Yeah.

28:19Adam Schafer:And that's a classic mistake. Did you lease the other place? I did. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. Oh, how long did you have that lease? I had it for, man, it was rough, dude. It was eight months. Maybe no, maybe a year. So did you have to break the lease? I did. Oh, no shit. I did not know you did that. I paid them to break the lease. I had to pay them. No way. I did not know that.

28:40Sal Di Stefano:What year into abs was that?

28:41Adam Schafer:I, gosh, this was probably seven years, eight years. Oh, you'd already, you'd already been running. You were looking for something different.

28:48Sal Di Stefano:Oh, wow. I just was trying to grow. I was trying to expand. Obviously, you had figured it out there, which I think the most great.

28:53Adam Schafer:But I figured it out, but I didn't, I figured it out because I was there. Right, right. That's what I mean. You figured, you figured it out there.

28:58Justin Andrews:I'm in a boot camp. He ran a boot camp. It's like, yeah, that's kind of a natural thought process. It's like, well, volume, like I've had, you know, some people I've let go. It's like, I could keep them if I give them a lower ticket option, you know, But it's just for the amount of time and effort and then what it's taken away from your other businesses. What was your worst? So that, the invention. I like how I just called it the invention.

29:23Sal Di Stefano:This is so fast. The invention.

29:25Justin Andrews:Boom. Don't ever do that.

29:27Sal Di Stefano:That would be the worst? Yeah.

29:29Justin Andrews:Yeah.

29:29Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, easily. Is it because how much you invested? It's just, yeah, it was just because of how much time, money, and just really, I think, just trying to see it all the way through.

29:42Justin Andrews:Like, I'm a stubborn motherfucker, so it just, like, consumed my every thought. And it just took away from family, took away from this business, took away from so many things to try, you know, to kind of prove it versus, you know, what I totally learned through the process, what I would do differently completely now, you know, even if I had an idea that I thought was that good, you know, you go test it, you go do all these like basic steps that, you know, you're driven by passion. And like, I got swept into the whole like artists, like, you know, passion driven entrepreneur in the beginning and learn my lessons and then, you know, adjusted.

30:22Justin Andrews:But like most of the, most of the rest of the businesses I ran were very much like I was in control. I take all the money up front. Like I had it all like systematized. Everything was like an oiled machine. Uh, the other one would have been like partnering up with a, uh, food. I remember when you did that. Yeah. With Brad, this, this really nice guy, just terrible business, you know, operator. And so I was carrying him a lot, uh, in fronting, you know, so my clients could benefit from his food options. And like, you know, he would fill up their refrigerators at the beginning of the week. and then they'd have all this like excess of food and it and it started out really great but then you know the clients would kind of want to go shop themselves and then it started to become like well less and then and then he was less consistent and then like it was all this like extra inventory that was burned and oh wow you know and i was just like i'm out man you're killing me so i cut him off but yeah those two things you know i had a business partner initially with abs i know yeah

31:27Adam Schafer:Don't say his name because I don't talk about it. Good guy, really good trainer, really knows fitness. Yeah, what did you learn about that partnership? Well, it's funny because I didn't. Because he was a good trainer, good guy. So this is what's crazy about it. I don't know if this is necessarily a good thing to teach to someone listening, but it worked out for me in a great way. Let's hear it. When I make a partnership, you guys know this, I'm very loyal. Yeah. And I don't know if you want to say it to a fault. I don't think so. It worked out really well with you guys. but we were partners and um and i i funded the whole thing now the reason why i want him as a partner was because of his experience he was a really really good trainer he was better than i was when we first started he knew what he was doing really yeah oh yeah yeah oh he was he knew his stuff for sure correctional exercise like the whole day i learned some stuff from him but also because my initial plan was to work in investments remember at that time i had been trying to be working the bank and he would do a lot of the training and i would kind of do part time.

32:25Adam Schafer:Well, I quickly moved over, did it with him. I funded the whole thing, but it just, he was up and down, dude, up and down. And it got real frustrating because we split everything, but I was bringing in most of the revenue. And I remember I had a conversation with him and he's a good guy. He's an honest guy, good guy. And I sat down with him. I said, dude, I said, listen, I'm going to run. This is my exact words. I'm going to run fast. I'm going to run hard and you need to keep up with me and if you can't we got to figure something out and so my goal that my goal was for the next three months i'm going to make it obvious to him so he leaves because i don't want to have to boot him wow and i did and i did and i did i went and he said hey i'm going to bounce and um and that was it and then i took over the whole thing that's pretty cool that it's pretty smart

33:08Sal Di Stefano:that you had the wherewithal to have that conversation and then he also had the humility to bow out that's right and be like i obviously am not carrying my weight because you know what can happen sometimes in an ugly partnership like that is that that person still rides your coattails yeah so the fact that you guys and you guys maintained a friendship afterwards yeah we do

33:29Adam Schafer:he's a great guy i love him yeah yeah he's a really good man like i said so the fact that he he was he

33:33Sal Di Stefano:he bowed out and and you guys still were that's not that's pretty good yeah in fact i saw him not

33:38Adam Schafer:that long ago and he actually apologized to me for that whole period this was like a month ago like a few months ago oh no way yeah how random yeah we're talking about that that happened i I know. I thought it was cool of him to say, but I didn't hold any animosity or anything like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what was the lesson of that? I could have come out of that with this kind of bitter attitude towards partnerships, which would have destroyed what we did here.

34:03Justin Andrews:Yeah.

34:04Adam Schafer:And so I don't know. I mean, I guess a lot of people would say you got to be really shrewd with business partners. But, I mean, you guys are very trustworthy. Obviously, I gained a tremendous amount from you guys, and it worked out really well. So we didn't sign anything for that long. That's not good advice either. This was a handshake for a while. I don't know if I'd recommend anybody else. What's your biggest failure?

34:30Sal Di Stefano:So it depends on how we would measure it, right? So I could think two big ones come to mind. Financially, the worst was the app that Justin and I did. Yeah, financially, that was the biggest. I took about a 75k hit on that, which was my biggest hit. But the mobile car detailing business was a pretty big flop. I made out financially on that because it was a very small investment. I thought it was brilliant because this time I'm in my 20s and making good money in management for the company. And all of our peers, if you were in management at 24 in those days, you were probably making six figures or close to right i think like 80 was the low end and some guys were making 140 and stuff and so and what do a bunch of 20 year olds that make a hundred thousand dollars a year 20 years ago do they all had cars so they all had nice cars and i thought oh my god and we all worked bell to bell so we all worked like 10 hours and so you have these nice cars bell to bell i could show up i could have the i could have i see where you're strapped oh bro i thought it was pretty smart yeah it sounds very very logical right like i thought about and then the way it came about was I had a counselor who worked for me who had already had this mobile detailing business.

35:44Sal Di Stefano:And he had a small book. It had a few clients that he was doing already. So I had a built-in book and it was just attached to my truck. So I didn't need to buy anything. It had all the stuff. And I think I paid four grand for it or something like that, four or five grand for it. And I was like, yes, I'm going to crush this. And right away started booking. But what I did not think through was when I was first scaling and building it while also working 60 hours a week, I couldn't hire anybody to do the detailing. Because my thought process was I'll hire a

36:17Adam Schafer:couple of people for minimum wage, pay them and they go handle it.

36:21Sal Di Stefano:I make the cream off of it. I got all the contacts, I'll grow it. But what I couldn't do was when I was only getting three or four car washes a week, who could I hire for three or four hours? You know, if three or four jobs. Are you out there washing cars? So I'm washing. So my crazy ass is working 10 hour days and then washing cars in my parking lot afterwards, you know, for an extra a hundred bucks, you know what I'm saying? And so, and I'm crazy. I'm crazy enough to do that for a while, you know? And so yeah, on the weekends and after work, I'm washing cars while trying to get this thing. How long did it take you to be like, this isn't going to be, I did it for less than a year, but probably a good solid six six a long time yeah i did it for a while i'm stubborn like that you know what i'm saying and i gotta get a shot well yeah and i believed in it i really did and i and i thought and i just kept running into this problem of i i didn't have enough uh i didn't have enough capital at that time to like take the risk of i'm just gonna pay somebody and eat i'm losing money at first to get it scaled up so they could go and work it and i couldn't convince anybody to work for 20 bucks an hour for three hours a week and so i'm out here washing cars

37:30Adam Schafer:and so now luckily six figure guys yeah yeah washing your buddy's car oh yeah dude i'm like

37:38Sal Di Stefano:exactly i'm washing my buddy's corvette i'm here scrubbing his tires and like for an extra hundred bucks you know like what am i doing you know i'm saying i could have sold two pretty it does sound like it would have worked though oh right you got to believe it yeah you got to believe it when you go do i did i did i did uh sell it for double what i paid for oh there you go because i had i actually hustled enough to have a clientele list i said hey you got you know 10 12 clients that you can wash some cars plus all the stuff and and so so i can't remember you know who i sold it to who lawrence he bought it yes wow yes wow yeah he's a good guy he is a good guy and a hustler i don't think he kept doing it either but i mean i so i'd say those two were so you said you lost 75 on the

38:20Adam Schafer:That's right around how much I lost with my extra location.

38:23Sal Di Stefano:And that was a lot of money for me. Bro, that's a ton of money for anybody.

38:27Adam Schafer:But especially when you're saving.

38:29Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I wasn't stacked up at that time. And so that was a lot of money to spend on that. But I believed in what Justin and I were doing. I was excited about it. But I was so naive to that also. I didn't know anything about the app world. And we learned a lot along that way. We weren't tech people.

38:46Adam Schafer:Now you can build an app. Just got hosed, yeah. We can build an app with AI now. Yeah, exactly. I know.

38:52Justin Andrews:That's like the serious slapping irony. Do you know how much you lost with the whole deal?

38:57Adam Schafer:You don't want to talk about it. $25, I think. $25? That's not bad.

38:59Justin Andrews:Oh, that's not bad. On that invention, as nice as it was, you only lost$20. Oh, I'm sorry. You're talking about the invention. I'm talking about that. Oh. I put it in with him. Yeah. No, that was like$50. Okay. Yeah, it's about the same.

39:11Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, that's still up. But considering how far you made it, because you designed it. Yeah. It's also the time and energy.

39:17Justin Andrews:That's the time, really, and the testing, and really, like, it really just didn't have a definitive market target, you know? And two, it was like, there was just too much, and this is what I, I pitched it in front of Apple, and you guys remember that, right? I remember that. Yeah. Which was, like, it's so crazy and stupid, and I feel, like, retarded for doing that.

39:40Adam Schafer:No, bro, what are you talking about? That's great. That's insane.

39:43Justin Andrews:That's balls, dude. I do. That's so great. And we didn't have in our, I didn't even think I told you guys what happened. And it like the computer didn't even work. So we were supposed to have like this whole slideshow and everything. And then my partners were freaking out and I was like, I got this, you know, and I got up and just was like talking directly to each person. And then like, it was demonstrating it and like, here's all the potential for it. And, you know, we're going to serve this market and it's like low risk. And like, you know, I'll talk about all the benefits to it and all that stuff.

40:15Justin Andrews:and at the end you know the guy you know pulled me aside and he's like wow this is really like an interesting product and like i like your you know your presentation and all this stuff he's like you got a long road ahead of you he's like because he told me the story about basically david weck he's like because he had met him before and um he was trying to promote the bosey ball to him oh and it was like he was getting nothing nowhere at all until he brought the education up to that level where it's like here's the relevance and here's the certification around it and here's all the trainers are using now it's in the gyms and you know and so it had to have that public awareness for it to even be viable and i'm just like oh my god that's forever from now you know so you got it listen it's humbling you find a successful entrepreneur

41:05Adam Schafer:and they haven't had a failure, they haven't tried.

41:08Sal Di Stefano:Everything you guys are talking about right now, okay, which is so cool as I'm sitting here listening to us tell these old, reminisce these old stories, I can think of an example on how much that has served you in this business, that experience. Of course, 1 ,000%. I mean, could you imagine how quick we probably would have built an app if we hadn't had such a terrible experience and know what that experience is like and how not worth it is? Burn money. I mean, the amount of pressure that we've had to do something like that. And yet we've been able to, we've been through that. And so we know that, right?

41:39Sal Di Stefano:The meal thing. We just had someone come in right now that wants to partner up with meals. And we're just like, you're like, I've done this.

41:45Adam Schafer:No, one of the biggest mistakes, this is what I learned, is that you may be able to build an incredible culture in your location, but to duplicate it, it's a completely, and if you don't have a person like you that you're like, this person is special. go over there and rebuild the culture, you're not going to do it. It's just not going to happen. A lot of people run into that problem. That's what I learned from that.

42:09Sal Di Stefano:Oh, no, that's it. I mean, I forget what the statistics are on replicating a second location. It's like unbelievably difficult, which is counter to what you would believe. You would think, oh, I've done this. I can go do another one. If you could just photocopy yourself. Yeah, exactly. So your only way to do that is you truly have to find someone who you think is as good as you or better than you. That's right. Like you have to find someone. Like that's the way that works is like, oh my God, I actually found someone who I can put in my place that I think is better than me. And now I can go, and I know I can go do this.

42:41Sal Di Stefano:So now I'm going to put all my time in the new one. I can trust this person is better than me. They're going to keep at least what I did over here or better. And so, but like, how often do you find that? And then you don't have to pay out your, your, your nose. I'll never forget.

42:52Adam Schafer:I told you guys this story so many times, but I had a client who was this really successful guy, uh, self-made, whatever. I was a kid and I asked him, I said, like, what's your advice? like for me. And he's like, you got to ask the right questions. So what is he? He says, ask me how many times I failed. And so I was like, tell me how many times you failed. And he went through and told me about the times he'd made fortunes and went bankrupt. It was like three times. And I'm like, why'd you keep trying? He's like, cause I love it. I just, you gotta, gotta swing the bat. I was like, man. And that's, that's really what I say.

43:21Adam Schafer:You talk to an entrepreneur who does well, they're going to have failures. You're going to have failures, you know?

43:26Sal Di Stefano:Well, I told you guys that the, I can't remember what book it was that I read when i read that the what the average millionaire how many failures before they hit made their million was it's nine is it yeah it's nine nine business fails before you make your million dollars that's on that's what the average is i remember reading that when i was like 20 22 somewhere around there and of course at that at that point i'm like a young ambitious kid who was like i'm gonna retire by 30 you know saying shit like that like i said yeah i said stupid and shit like that. So did I. And I believed it. I believed it.

43:56Sal Di Stefano:I 100 % believed it, right? And then I remember reading that, and I remember going like, wait a second, I've only failed at like two or three things. I better get to work. I better get to failing. You know, like I remember having that epiphany that, oh, my God, like I've got to get way more swings if I'm ever going to be that guy, especially if I'm going to do it by 30. I better get to moving. So what about you, Doug? What's the worst business you did? business you did. Well, it's more investment failure. I think I've told this story before.

44:25Adam Schafer:Oh, it's the best story I've ever heard in my life. It's so exciting. Well, that's not a great story. It's exciting. It was very painful. So I lived in Japan for six years. I worked hard. I squirreled all my money away. I had no living expenses other than food and some travel, right? So I was putting away, I think about$120 ,000. And this was back in the 1990s. Oh, that's a lot of money. So that's a lot of money. That's worth like$10 billion. Yeah, something like that. And so I come back and I've been, I invested in some stocks. I invested like in Microsoft and, and Starbucks and different companies that I knew from the Seattle area mainly.

45:00And then I decided I want to get into a triplex. And I bought, bought a triplex. I had renters, whole thing. And then I got involved with this organization that had these like high yield investments. and I got caught up with the excitement over this particular, this one investment that we were told it was Hitachi or something was associated with it. It was a sure thing. And I liquidated everything and put it in that. All. And I lost everything. So yeah, I lost the whole thing. By the way, that triplex now is almost 30 years in. I would have had the thing basically paid off.

45:40Sal Di Stefano:So stock in Starbucks. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, Microsoft. I think it's worth - I'm not sure what would be worth more money. I don't know. I mean, I don't know. The Triplex or Starbucks or Microsoft. The pain was very real for many years afterwards. But in hindsight, there was a lesson to be learned there about investing money and that type of thing and throwing all your money, eggs in one basket, so to speak. That's why Doug holds onto our money so tight. That's why I'm careful. Every time you guys are talking about stocks, I'm kind of rolling my eyes. Because, you know, obviously there's good stocks to invest in, but the average person doesn't do it well.

46:16Adam Schafer:I thought you were going to tell that story about when you were working with that group and then they all got - Rated. Oh, yeah. That's the same group, by the way.

46:25Sal Di Stefano:Oh, no. Hey, so you did. Wait a second. What thing happened first? Yeah. How did you not learn your lesson from one of those two things? Well, no. So that was - Or it all happened at one time. It all happened around the same time. This is the exciting story. Oh, my God. This is the exciting story. Yeah, only Doug has any experience with the FBI. Out of all of us, right? No personal experience, but yeah. So I was with this group and their whole thing was offshore investments, tax strategies that were extremely aggressive, et cetera, et cetera. And it was a massive organization. They do these big seminars down in Cancun and there'd be like two, 3 ,000 people who showed up.

46:59It seemed super legit. I was obviously younger back then and not so wise. And so anyway, I worked my way up. It was kind of like an MLM and I'd worked my way up into the leadership part of the organization. And, uh, and so one day we're on a leadership call with the three co-founders. And then all of a sudden one of the guys go silent, he's gone off the, off the call. And then the next guy, all we hear is his bird chirping in the background. And then the third guy gone during the middle of our call. It was like at that time, the largest, like, you know, coordinated IRS takedown. Yeah. So they all got picked up by the feds during that call.

47:45And so after that, so I'd never done any of the, I didn't do any of the tax strategies because I was a little nervous about that, fortunately.

47:51Adam Schafer:Yeah. But yeah, every time I saw a black suburban after that, I was a little nervous. So Doug, did you, so if you look that company up, do you think there's news articles on it? Oh, absolutely. I could find them. Yeah. I want to see. So yeah, that was a couple of my fails early on. But as a result of that, though, when I look at money in finance, I'm fairly conservative now and very careful.

48:14Sal Di Stefano:Talk about what a beautiful balance the four of us have been with all of our experiences and stories, because it's good that we have to pry our money away from Doug. You know what I'm saying? I know. And he changes passwords every week to all of our stuff. not a day goes by this week all it takes is being hacked once to get you nervous about that i've done that i've done i've been hacked i've had irs audit uh and again was not related to that was about something that wasn't reported properly so but they sucked me in for a year with an audit so i have a lot of experience with the kind of negative things that you can experience in the financial world.

48:59So yeah, I'm very cautious. Nah, I won't do that again.

49:02Adam Schafer:I love it. You told me that story when I was your trainer. Yeah. You were my client. You told me that story. Well, I was going to mention, you know, ABS. Of course, I worked out there. That's when I met Sal originally was there. And then we created Maps Anabolic and the No BS Six Pack Formula, which now has just been revamped. Oh, yeah.

49:19Sal Di Stefano:It's our 10-year anniversary relaunch, right? Yeah, basically. Yeah, dude. That's kind of cool. That was a cool time. You know, we also, I know people can watch the original video, right? I was going to say. Yes, the Maps Anabolic original video, the one that he sent to you. Yes. That got you interested in talking, which created Mind Pump. No, we're not going to point people to that, are we?

49:40Adam Schafer:Yeah. You're like a child in that video. That's awesome. That's great. In fact, yeah. Nostalgia, dude. That was my first, can I tell you, that was my first time on camera ever. Yeah, that was fun. That's when Doug knew he had a business. Doug's like, oh, I've got a business here.

49:53Sal Di Stefano:I put a quarter in this guy. There you go. man i like it this guy loves the camera we're gonna make a lot of really it was it was pretty funny though because i had this uh what was it called teleprompter right it was just an ipad with this mirror thing on the back very rudimentary teleprompter and this thing would freeze up all the time yes it's almost with the ipad's like oh it froze up again and so we kept re-recording these passages did you stress dug out the same way back then or were you more no back then.

50:23Adam Schafer:It built over years.

50:26Sal Di Stefano:We're still dealing with tech stuff. You ruined it early, dude. What's going on here? That video that took us a while to film is now available. I know Eli, during our MAPS Anabolic launch, one that we adjusted recently, he put it up that link. I think he'll include it again for this one. Is it on the mapsanabolic.com or is it somewhere else? Eli? in the description in the description you can you can find that so you can see me it's worth the watch yeah so i know okay so i know we're doing a couple things for the 10-year anniversary right so we have the the anabolic relaunch which we've revamped things we've customized some stuff so no bs is now and then and then no b and then no bs yes correct i know it's discounted too right oh yeah it's half off so that's half off and then in addition to that you i know that there's an opportunity to upsell to a nutrition call with with that if you buy so you buy no bs so the no

51:16Adam Schafer:No BS six pack formula is with the discount$28.50. And it's all about building your abs, building your core. Same principles from apps anabolic applied to core training. And it's half off. And then you can get a nutrition call with that. What is it? Is it no BS six pack.com? Yeah. I think it's no BS six pack with number six pack.com. Yep. No BS six pack.com. And the code is six pack for the, for the half off. That was a good time, dude. That was a while ago. Yeah. I know. every time i see that video a picture of me i'm like there's a lot of hair i look really young

51:51Sal Di Stefano:higher voice yeah did you see the person i can't even do the kermit voice for you anymore i saw somebody i saw somebody screenshot in the forum you see the picture they screenshot a picture of you and they're like hey someone needs to tell sal someone on the team put a grandpa filter on his

52:08Sal Di Stefano:shots fired dog shots fired what a jerk i hate that hey i gotta tell you guys about i'm gonna

52:13Adam Schafer:change subjects here. You know how occasionally people will report that creatine makes them feel like bloated or causes like gut, you know, kind of gut issues. That's the number one side effect from creatine. And it's more reported by women. I don't, there's no data to show that women have a harder time digesting protein, creatine. But I, but typically when someone says creatine causes blow, it's typically women. These are friends of mine. The row creatine solved it, solved it. so the people that i'm a is that why so so this so i think so i think it's just easier on the gut so the the friends that i have that are women that i'm constantly you know hammering them take creatine take creatine it's so effect so good for your brain it's good for your mood it's good for your bones good for muscle oh every time i take it it bloats me every time i take it a blow they're taking row and they're like i could take that no problem and i have no bloat delivery i think it's

53:03Sal Di Stefano:the liposomal delivery interesting uh so i've had that people say that before normally what i do is I make them just kind of split the doses up. Yep.

53:10Adam Schafer:But I didn't know they're taking full five grams, you know. Oh, interesting. Getting no nothing, no issues whatsoever. Oh, wow. That's really cool. So I think it's because of the liposomal effect from it.

53:19Sal Di Stefano:Are you guys taking off for your week when we go? Are you guys, do you have vacations planned? We're going to Yellowstone.

53:25Justin Andrews:Are you going to Yellowstone? Oh, that's right. That's cool, dude. Oh, that's right. So obviously you're not camping. No.

53:33Sal Di Stefano:you guys what do you guys do like like in a situation like that where you're it's i mean it's not camping but you're probably in a cabin somewhere up that place so i got us an airbnb

53:42Adam Schafer:in a place called island park which is 30 minutes uh outside of the west entrance from yellowstone so i got this this this really nice house and it's going to be me my kids jessica and then my mother-in-law my sister-in-law my brother-in-law and their kids and so we're all going to go there and we got a car so we'll just do a family trip we'll just drive yellowstone

54:03Sal Di Stefano:or hang out there island park now you're you're sponsored by doordash and you're all the way out there and i don't think they go out there so what do you do like food are you like island park is like a community i think you can oh okay i'm not staying in yellowstone i'm 30 minutes home okay so you can still go let's see this guy scooping up all our sponsor stuff before he lives he's gonna live off yeah no i think there's groceries i don't know i've never been there before to be

54:27Adam Schafer:house with you. 40 pounds of beef jerky. Yeah, see there, see, it's a 32-minute drive to the west entrance.

54:34Sal Di Stefano:Oh, okay, so you still got to drive. Have you guys been

54:36Adam Schafer:to Yellowstone before? I have not. Yeah, one time, yeah. Dude, it's amazing.

54:40Justin Andrews:I love it. I want to go. It's so big. Any of these national parks, I'm a big fan.

54:45Adam Schafer:So Yosemite, which is in our, you know, quote-unquote backyard, is picturesque, right? Yosemite is just beauty. Yellowstone is so massive. It's huge. It crosses over,

54:56Sal Di Stefano:doesn't it cross over two states? I think more. Or three? Is it three? How many states does it cross over? Boy, good question. I was just going to say, though, island parks population is 193 people. Idaho also. Yeah, but I think it's close to other. Okay. So it's three. Does it cross over three states? I think so. Oh, wow.

55:11Adam Schafer:So it's Idaho, Montana. And what's the other one? Wyoming. Wyoming. Yeah, you might be right. Trivia. Yeah, it is three. Good job, guys. Only 1 % is in Idaho. You know what's crazy about it? Most of it's Wyoming. Yellowstone. It feels like you're on another planet. in some of the areas. Like you go to certain areas, you're like, this does not look like Earth. I'm on Mars right now. Like with the, with the way, with the way the acidic pools are. I know what you're saying.

55:36Justin Andrews:It's cool because the heat like changes the color of the water. And so you have like this really like bright, almost turquoise color. And yeah, it's, it's trippy.

55:46Adam Schafer:There are these pools. I don't remember what they're called.

55:48Justin Andrews:Maybe you can look them up,

55:49Adam Schafer:Doug. When was the last time you went? When did you go? I went there with Jessica in 2000. Is it already the second time you guys gone? 18. Well, we were dating then. We didn't, go with the kids and stuff. Yeah, you shot guns and stuff last time you went, right? Yeah, we did. Oh, I remember that story now.

56:02Justin Andrews:Bro. I remember that story.

56:03Adam Schafer:If you're from California and you go to Montana. Cool guns. It is weird. It is weird, dude. That's kind of how Idaho is, too.

56:10Justin Andrews:I did that.

56:11Adam Schafer:Yeah, we treat guns weird over here in California. We were there. This is when I was with Jeff. We were just dating. We're in Montana. And I see like a, it's like a gun, I don't know, like a shooting range. So I'm like, yeah, let's go check it out. Sure. We walk in. And on the wall, it's like every gun you could imagine. including ones you see in video games. I'm like, what? Is that a real, like that's an Israeli military grade. Yeah. He's like, that's an Israeli, blah, blah, blah. You can shoot around corners with it and stuff. I'm like, what? Huh? And I'm like, Oh, it's for display. I'm like, how do I, how can I shoot some of these?

56:40Adam Schafer:He's like, Oh, just give me your driver's license. Like, you know, which one do you want to shoot? I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, you just go around the corner and you just pay per 30. Cool. Let's go. Your ammo's up.

56:50Justin Andrews:you're done.

56:52Adam Schafer:It's so different. It was a good time. That's cool. It was a good time.

56:56Sal Di Stefano:I got to get out there. I want to go out there for sure. It's crazy.

56:58Adam Schafer:It's crazy. And we're going to go to this one park there. I can't remember, Bear Park or something where you can feed grizzly bears? What? Yeah. So you're liking it. What? Yeah, you're liking these dumb. You can feed them? Yeah. Yeah, dude.

57:11Sal Di Stefano:Like they give you stuff or you bring your own stuff to feed them? I don't know.

57:13Adam Schafer:But you're allowed to give them food. Is this like managed? It's a park with grizzlies on it.

57:17Justin Andrews:Look up the grizzlies. Yeah, look up. This does not sound like a good one. No, bro, you know what you should do? It says bear park with grizzlies.

57:23Adam Schafer:No, look up Yellowstone. You can't feed grizzly bears. Yeah, dude. You can't feed grizzly bears. No, there's this.

57:30Sal Di Stefano:Someone's playing a prank on you, dog. No, there's a park. Someone's trying to set you up, guy.

57:34Adam Schafer:No, there's a park where you can feed. It's strictly illegal. No, dude, listen. I'm going to find it. Bear cub bottle feeding? Is that what you're going to do? Maybe that's it. Bear world in Rexburg. Is it bear world? Maybe. I think that's it. I think it's bear world. Come on down to bear world. There it is. There it is. Drive through Wildlife Park.

57:51Justin Andrews:Wrestle the bear.

57:51Adam Schafer:That's the one right there, dude. And they got rides and stuff. And I think there's an experience. There you go. Right there. Look. Look at the bears. What? Oh, so they're all like domesticated. Yeah, look. They walk up to you and stuff, dude. Oh, my God. No way. That's wild, dude. I didn't know that was there. Maybe you can't feed them. I don't know. But I know they walk up to the car.

58:08Sal Di Stefano:Hey, let's throw a cheeseburger. Get clear on that before you go. Yeah, I don't know about that. Bro, take our Paleo Valley beef sticks. No. They love those. Get a commercial app for us. You will set our contract up for the next two years. We already know black bears like them. They crushed them up in Truckee. I had like 40 pounds of the beef sticks up there. I'll never forget that. Crushed them. I'll never forget that. One of the dumbest things I ever did was leave that inside the laundry room. We had one of those Costco bag things, and we had just started working with them. It was completely full of those beef sticks.

58:43Sal Di Stefano:and I was heading up there to load our house up. And we didn't lock the door. Yeah, I didn't lock the door. And then I remember pulling up the next time and the pantry door and the side door to the house wide open and right at the front was a peanut butter jar. And I'd never seen a peanut butter jar so clean. I mean, inside of it, it was clear. It was like as if there was no peanut butter ever in it. And it was just sitting out like that. And then like walking there. I don't think I've ever been so scared walking into a house. You thought the bear might be there. Oh, man. So creepy. So I grew up country, so I'm not afraid of black bears, but being in a house with a black bear is different.

59:23Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, they have to get out. Yeah, because they'll be scared.

59:26Adam Schafer:If it's between you, if you're in front of the door and it's only escape, he's going to go through you.

59:31Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. So, I mean, if they're out in the wild, you hit some pans, they'll freak out, you're scared, they're fine. But you inside a house and being in the house with them, I just don't that scares the shit out of me so being the person who had to go walk and figure out is this thing here you know what I'm upset about

59:46Adam Schafer:I'm upset that we took there was a big paw print in the pantry why did we wash that

59:52Sal Di Stefano:I left it there for a while I think the cleaners yeah I left it there for a while we should have painted it or something

59:56Justin Andrews:yeah traced it or something

59:58Sal Di Stefano:I think if it was a good one I probably would have said something to you guys about that but I felt like it wasn't that good

1:00:03Justin Andrews:there was a lot of animal prints though remember that there was like all these other ones what was wild

1:00:08Sal Di Stefano:was he he opened the I'm assuming it's a he. He opened the door.

1:00:12Justin Andrews:I feel like the whole forest came in with him.

1:00:15Sal Di Stefano:The fact that he could open and close doors. No scratches, really. I thought for sure the sofa would be torn apart or something. Yeah, we were lucky. He did take a dump. He did. He went to the bathroom. No, actually in the dining. It was in the dining area.

1:00:29Adam Schafer:Oh, really? Breakfast nook area. Oh, that's where he pooped? I thought it was upstairs.

1:00:32Sal Di Stefano:I'm not even certain it was the bear's poop because it was so small. It could have been like a smaller raccoon or coyote or bobcat or something like that. So hopeless, dude. You left the door open, dude. That's gross, dude.

1:00:47Adam Schafer:You left the door open.

1:00:48Sal Di Stefano:What's crazy was once they found out that they could feed there, we had a problem for like the next couple of years. Oh, yeah. Where they were getting in the trash like crazy. You went and told his friends. Yeah. Yeah, dude.

1:00:57Adam Schafer:By the way, I looked up the fermentation process that they do with their meat sticks. Oh, Paleo Valley. Yeah, when you eat Paleo Valley meat sticks, if you've had them, they're not dry. They taste good. They don't taste like normal. I mean, they taste amazing. And it's because other companies use a different process. I'll look it up because I actually had it written down.

1:01:17Justin Andrews:I remember her saying the cost for that was substantial, and that's why a lot of other companies definitely stirred away from it. You know what they should do? We should talk to them about this.

1:01:26Sal Di Stefano:We've been with them long enough to convince them to do that.

1:01:27Adam Schafer:So you know what other companies do? Huh? quick acidification citric acid or encapsulated acids for preservation fermentation takes days to weeks yeah but that's why it tastes so expensive and it also breaks down the protein so it's tender

1:01:40Sal Di Stefano:they're one of those things those brands where it's like you could i think they could take a loss on the front end to get it to people to try yep then you close because most people have had beef jerky yeah it's not like oh i've never had a beef oh it's way different so when you when exactly when you have that and you realize how much better it is than anything else out there To me, it's like it sells itself. I wonder if they would consider doing something like that where they give out like a small - Like a little nugget? Yeah, like a small sample size so people can taste the difference in it because, I mean, that's how we got sold.

1:02:10Sal Di Stefano:How many different beet-driven companies tried to send us stuff, and then we had theirs, and we're like, oh my God, these are amazing. This is who we're working with.

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1:02:59Adam Schafer:You can fry, steam, saute, boil, and even bake in it. Go check them out. Go to fromourplace.com. Use the code MINDPUMP and get 10 % off site-wide. Back to the show. First question is from of a working mom. When training Bulgarian split squats, if one leg is stronger than the other, what is the best approach to work towards evening it out? would you limit this stronger leg to the reps you can successfully complete on the weaker leg? So this is very common. Yeah. Okay. So anytime you do any kind of unilateral exercise or split stance or something like that, almost always, in fact, it's pretty rare to not have one side that feels more stable or stronger.

1:03:41Adam Schafer:And the discrepancy can be minor. It can be major. Or it can be glaring. The approach to fix this can be multifaceted, but it all generally looks like this. Start with the weaker side. and allow those reps and that weight or whatever you're lifting to dictate what you do on the stronger side. And that's it. So if you only do 10 reps with your left leg, when you go to the right, you stop when you get to 10. Otherwise, you may maintain the discrepancy through your training.

1:04:09Sal Di Stefano:I want to add that one of the coolest things about when you figure this out or find out, like, wow, sometimes people get discouraged or frustrated, but it's actually a really exciting time. Because if you stick to the Bulgarians, you take the advice that you just said, when you balance that out and then you go back to like let's say a barbell back squat or some of your traditional it is amazing how oh how strong and stable and comfortable you feel i've had clients report back to that they they had like hip pain or low back pain that they would from back squatting gone now that they are they're balanced left to right better like there's a lot of stuff that tends to work itself out when you take the time to do unilateral work like this and really balance the body out so even though it may be frustrating for some people when they notice this and a lot of times and i'm sharing this because what i've seen happen is someone does it they really they see this discussion and they get frustrated like they bail on the exercise and

1:05:02Justin Andrews:they go back to doing well because they're yeah they're used to having the ability of like your strong leg you're like well this should catch up to it when in fact you know you're gonna have to like you know take take a bit away yeah and you're gonna have to kind of build yourself back up but to your point of the long-term pain solution and compensations and discrepancies you're going to have long-term, it's like now you're addressing it, your body's going to perform so much better.

1:05:27Adam Schafer:Yeah. You know, it's interesting. I was just looking this up while we're talking about just differences and discrepancies. There are stories of boxers. Obviously, when you're fighting, you have one hand that's dominant, but there was several boxers I looked up where they broke the right hand had to continue training and it ended up making them way better boxers because they learned how to be so good with the other hand and then they learned how to be who rocky that he took

1:05:52Justin Andrews:that he did it was like rocky too right he didn't break his hand uh mickey tied his hand yeah but

1:05:59Adam Schafer:but no it's it's pretty interesting how the the progress you can make when you find a discrepancy like that next question is from cory nicholson i'm currently running maps 15 power lift but instead of using the traditional power lifting lifts back squat bench press and conventional deadlift i'm considering using my weakest variations as my primary lifts front squat incline bench press and sumo deadlift my goal is to bring up these lifts while still benefiting from the maps 15 power lift structure do you think this is a good approach and are there any modifications recovery considerations or programming tweaks you'd recommend when

1:06:38Sal Di Stefano:substituting these lifts that's a great approach love this idea so here's why this works i love

1:06:42Adam Schafer:this idea because someone may be listening and be like oh cool so i'm just going to switch out exercises on a maps program it'll work right no because programming can be a bit touchy but here's why this works he's doing variations of the primary lifts yes so it's not going back squat to some other you know exercise it's not that's great this is great i love this idea he's going back Squat to front squat, bench press, incline press, conventional deadlift. This is a great idea. Shout out to Corey. It would be even a good alternative. No, that's – yeah.

1:07:11Sal Di Stefano:I mean, for all the listeners who love the 15 protocol, this is a great way to use our programming to benefit other lifts like this. This is a great idea. I like this a lot. Next question is from Fatal Strength. Which maps program do you recommend to fix imbalances, unlock my squat depth and get me training pain-free.

1:07:34Adam Schafer:Specifically for quote-unquote imbalances, this would be MAPS Prime or Prime Pro. So it's not a program. Both of them are correctional in nature and can be used with any program. Okay, so those are specific. If you want a program where it's the workout itself, symmetry, it's the best one.

1:07:52Sal Di Stefano:I mean, the ideal situation would be to own the two, would be to have Prime with symmetry. Oh, great. So you know what your specific individual discrepancies are, and then you go to unilateral work. And so if someone's really trying to focus on this, that would be my recommendation is to have both those.

1:08:10Adam Schafer:Now, this is really important to discuss, like when it comes to imbalances and moving well without pain or whatever. Correctional exercise is so valuable. And I think sometimes we kind of cut it out because we want to keep progressing on our main lifts and we tend to ignore little nagging pains. We'll do things like wear elbow sleeves or we'll do little variations. Fixing quote unquote imbalances will give you much better progress and it'll unlock a higher ceiling to your lifts. Don't negate that kind of stuff. Like Prime and Prime Pro, if you're listening and you don't have those programs, just Prime, get Maps Prime, do the priming sessions based off of your own body, the compass test, what it tells you about your body and you will get 5 % to 10 % more out of your current workout.

1:08:57Justin Andrews:Yeah, I wish we highlighted that more. It's like that 10 % to 15 % performance boost plus muscle building potential that you're leaving behind. Next question is from Janie Ewell. What's your opinion on sprint intervals paired with strength training?

1:09:14Adam Schafer:It depends on how you pair them. You pair them. Separately, great. Sprint intervals are great for stamina, endurance, for power. What I hope you don't mean is that you're lifting and then sprinting and lifting and sprinting and doing like a circuit, which is a terrible idea. Terrible idea.

1:09:31Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, this could be amazing. And I think the way we would program this is on different days, right? So you'd have your, let's say like you're running a MAPS program, which traditionally they're like three-day type routines, full body or something like MAPS anabolic. And then the days in between is when you would do like interval type training. Totally.

1:09:48Adam Schafer:And by the way, if you want to get really good or really maximize the usefulness of sprints, you treat sprinting like you do strength training. So sprinting is the strength training of cardio, if you will. So what that would look like, let's say it's like running, sprinting, is you get warmed up. Make sure you can do this properly, by the way, because high risk of injury if you can't do it right. You do your sprint. Then you're done with your sprint. You come back to the beginning start line. You wait and you rest.

1:10:14Justin Andrews:Yeah, you wait until you're recovered. Ready to go again. It's all about getting power. Keeping it anaerobic. So that's the thing. it's different because I think, yeah, people will get like antsy and motivated to just go that next rep and keep it going. And really the energy system is what you're training and we need that immediate firing of everything.

1:10:34Sal Di Stefano:A generic recommendation would probably be what? Three, five minute rest in between the sprints?

1:10:39Justin Andrews:Probably, yeah.

1:10:39Sal Di Stefano:You know? Depending on the person, 10 minutes for me. Right, right. No, seriously. So that's why I say at least three to five minutes. I think most people that think it's something like sprints like this, they're like doing them and then resting a minute or less and they're going right back into it or until they're tired where if you're doing this appropriately uh to get those benefits like the ideal would be rest three to five and that's why two this is why you would pair this on a different day is because what it would look like for me is i would spend a good 10-15 minutes doing my mobility work and kind of warming up really well and get warm maybe do a couple light short runs on sprints you know where I just kind of slowly start.

1:11:16Sal Di Stefano:And then I've got five hard working sets. And there's rest periods in between. And I'm letting my heart rate come all the way down. And I'm giving it everything I got for that short burst and then right back. That's right.

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