2898: How to Do Pull Ups in 30 Days (The Exact Method That Actually Works)

17:21Adam Schafer:This is the day I'm going to see if I can hit a new PR and pull-ups or if I could do a pull-up. Here's what you're going to do to set yourself up. Take four to five days off before that. You want to give yourself enough time to be totally fresh, set yourself up film yourself send it to us i'd love to see people be able to do pull-ups now

17:37Sal Di Stefano:would you not recommend during this 30 days uh once a week having a day where you kind of

17:43Adam Schafer:rep out no no still no no just just literally it's this is a third so if it was a longer if we're doing this for 90 days if we're doing this for then yes but when you're doing it for a short period of time you want low level frequent stimulus daily and that's it and you will shock yourself at how strong you are when you finally go test yourself, it's pretty wild. So again, the Soviets did this with certain lifts, like they would do this with squats. They would take a lift. Like, let's say you had a, let's say you had an athlete who, uh, you know, could do 500 pounds, uh, for five reps in a barbell squat.

18:19Adam Schafer:They would go 315 and they would do five reps every day. That's it. And they were, no matter what, it was always the same. 315, five reps. And it would feel easy. And what would end up happening over 30 days, it kind of felt easier and easier and easier. Then they would give them some time off, test it, and then they'd hit 10 reps with 500 pounds. It's like your new floor. Yes.

18:37Justin Andrews:It's like the new baseline.

18:39Sal Di Stefano:So let's imagine I'm somebody who can only get about five pull-ups in right now. Yep. And I'm going to do this for the next 30 days, and I'm going to practice this throughout the day. So I have, I go in and invest in, I don't even think those pull-up bars are very expensive, 20, 40 bucks at most for those ones that go in your door frame which i would put it in my bedroom door frame that i walk in and out of the most out of anything and i'm only i'm guessing i would only do two pull-ups one or two yeah one or two pull-ups uh five times plus a day yeah if you're doing it that

19:13Adam Schafer:much i do one if it's five times you're just doing one you're hopping up one pull-up come no way oh

19:17Sal Di Stefano:yeah no no oh yeah no no no no if my if i can do five you're saying do singles five is failure

19:24Adam Schafer:that would be three reps short of failure to do too.

19:27Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, three reps short of failure.

19:30Adam Schafer:If you're going to practice it that often, it's got to be much lower. I mean, I've tested this so many times. It has to be like you're playing, like one and down. If you're doing it five times in a day, yeah, it's literally just one. If you're doing it twice in a day, maybe. But if you're going to practice that often, it literally needs to feel like you're just.

19:49Sal Di Stefano:Because I feel like you need to do at least the amount of volume that you could already do, right? So it makes sense that you wouldn't go less than five total.

19:56Adam Schafer:I'm glad you asked this. It's remarkably less intense than you think to practice something like this. It's way less. In fact, that's where everybody messes up is they push it a little bit, a little bit, and then they don't see the progress.

20:09Sal Di Stefano:Because I feel like if I was going to do single, so we're just going to stick with this number five. That's like five is your max. Yeah, five is my max. If I was going to do singles, then I'd want to try and do it like eight times or more a day. That way I'm still getting more total volume than what I could do in a single set, but not at a high intensity.

20:28Adam Schafer:I mean, you could practice it that way. I think five is a lot for every single day for 30 days. But experiment with it. But I'm going to say this. I'm going to hammer this home.

20:37Sal Di Stefano:It's way less than you think. I guess, to your point, what I wouldn't want to see. So let's say I do go about it. Because I'm pretty confident that if I could do five in a row and I do singles for five times in a day, I'm never going to feel like I can't get that one. That'll feel easy. Every time. It'll feel easy every time. But I could see if I did that eight times, maybe by times seven or eight, like it's kind of hard. Maybe a little tired.

21:02Adam Schafer:Well, let me ask you this. When you were doing this as a kid, when you were practicing, how many pull-ups do you think you could do max at that time? Before you got good?

21:09Sal Di Stefano:Oh, I mean, I guess you're a good point. I could probably do 15 and I was doing like three. That's right.

21:13Adam Schafer:Yeah. It's literally, it needs to feel like easy. Yeah. And you're doing it so frequently.

21:18Justin Andrews:One with a ton of space in between. Yes. Yeah, a lot of time in between. Yes.

21:22Adam Schafer:That's how this works. If it starts to feel like I'm getting a little bit of a workout, you're probably going too hard. Yeah, yeah. Which is really hard to do.

21:28Sal Di Stefano:It was me just doing two or three, and it was throughout every hour. Exactly. For the five-hour work week. Exactly. The five-hour, six-hour shift I would do. Yep. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I mean, that's fair. No, it's wild.

21:40Adam Schafer:We talked about eating more, which made me think about this. So, you know, a lot of times people increase their protein intake through protein powder, which is totally fine. Very convenient, easy. But, you know, I think a good strategy for some people, a better strategy might be just to eat like three or four of the Paleo Valley meat sticks throughout the day. Like it's meat. It's minimally processed. It's got more nutrients. Tastes good. It's got long shelf life. So it's just, it's actually more convenient. You don't have to put it in a shaker cup. Take them with you. Eat one in between your meals.

22:18Adam Schafer:You know, three of those is going to give you, what is that going to give you? 28 grams, 26 grams of protein.

22:22Justin Andrews:Yeah, bumping your protein.

22:23Adam Schafer:Totally.

22:24Sal Di Stefano:Now, you said it has more nutrients. Does it have more natural nutrients and not fortified? Because supplements are fortified with a lot of nutrients.

22:33Adam Schafer:It's meat. It's grass-fed meat. Yeah. You know? And so you're going to get - Better source. Yeah, dude. So you're just - And again, it's closer to whole natural.

22:41Sal Di Stefano:And comparing that is what we're comparing when we compare it to something that is fortified in nutrients and heavily processed versus something that's minimally processed and more natural nutrients. Is it just the bioavailability? Usually. Is that?

22:55Adam Schafer:Usually. And look, there's companies out there, really good protein powder companies that will put good nutrients in there. But sometimes they put nutrients that don't have good bioavailability, like versions of certain nutrients, just to show on the label. and some protein powders don't add any because people aren't looking for uh you know vitamins and minerals and take a protein powder like i don't care if i take a protein i just want the protein yeah so with the meat stick with the paleovalon meat stick it's i mean it comes along

23:21Sal Di Stefano:with it yeah um it's just closer to a whole food and i you know it is it's super cool i still i still believe you know uh i know you've experimented with this yeah i still believe we're so arrogant with our science sometimes, you know, that we know everything, you know? And there's studies to show if you do this, that a lot of things are very, very similar in comparison. We just make this leap of it's exactly the same. It's like, I just don't believe that. I don't believe that if all things are controlled, carbohydrates, fats, calories, and you take it one of them in a processed protein bar versus something that you measured out to be just the right amount of rice, you know vegetables and and chicken and it's the same it's not the something else is not the same

24:09Adam Schafer:you know what's crazy about what you're saying we lie to ourselves with our arrogance put protein powder on the table and put some food on the table are they the same no obviously they're not the same thing yeah but they have the same stuff in them that's not the same though i know it's wild and

24:22Sal Di Stefano:and we and we do these studies where we measure like certain important markers protein synthesis and like total calories and what like thermogenesis like there's some things that we and then we we and those things are really important when it comes to fat loss or building muscle and so we just jump to this like they're the same and it's like they're not no we negate the experience also like

24:44Adam Schafer:the do they feel like they're the same like what that means i'm gonna use it the same way and then

24:50Sal Di Stefano:also behaviorably which we always talk like that that's clear to me like i mean because you can you you can argue the science part that I can't beat you on to figure out because I don't know what else is going on in the gut that I can't prove. Again, also act like we know everything about, which we know very little about. I mean, the gut, the ocean, and the universe are like three of the most complex, and the brain, right? The four most complex things that we act as if we know everything about, yet we've really explored like a fraction.

25:18Adam Schafer:We've discovered this new thing. But we know everything about it.

25:23Sal Di Stefano:It's like, man, it's clear that they affect you differently. And I know for sure they affect you differently behaviorally because, you know, I eat a protein bar and 15 minutes later I want another one or I'm craving something where I eat an egg, a whole boiled egg or something like that.

25:40Justin Andrews:It's a different experience. It is. And I mean, even the fermenting process that they use to make this, like, is more friendly for the gut for me. So I'm sure, yeah, that plays a factor. It is.

25:50Adam Schafer:I want to ask you guys because we hadn't seen each other for a while because we're on vacation and stuff I want to ask you guys about your Father's Day because we didn't see each other after Father's Day did we no no we did that and then we all went on vacation

26:00Justin Andrews:oh mine was all weird because it like it was before so I did like the weekend before oh did you yeah because we were all split up you know the next weekend everybody's going off I gotta tell you guys

26:10Adam Schafer:about one of the presents that my five year old gave me you know Aurelius yeah so Jessica took him to the store the kids and had them pick whatever they wanted to get me which I think is so fun yeah yeah You know what my son got me? What? A trophy. What? It was a plastic trophy. Did he say something? At Target? Or would he say it was for you? It's like a blank trophy. Yeah, what did he say? You're supposed to write on it, you know?

26:31Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, what did he say it was for? Number one dad.

26:33Adam Schafer:Yeah, he just like, you're the best. You know, he gave me a trophy. I'm like, this is the coolest gift I think I've ever gotten, dude. So I have like this blank, you know, trophy sitting on my desk that my son gave me for Father's Day. Isn't that so awesome? That's great. That he thought to give his dad a trophy.

26:50Sal Di Stefano:those are those things that you got to make sure you put away and you remember oh yeah keep that stuff you know i'm saying like that's a i actually don't know what we did for father yeah what'd you get for father did you get anything i don't i'm gonna my wife's gonna roast me if i did and i didn't i can't think of what uh she hasn't thought out i know i was like oh shit this is not gonna go well right now uh i mean i know i know what my son did my son my son's school is really good i mean they they they always have him create something and he created a drawing of you know what he what he wanted to be he if you ask my

27:23Adam Schafer:son what he wants to be he wants to be a father that's what he says oh wow and so he drew this

27:27Sal Di Stefano:picture of him uh as as a father and then also running mind pump well it's just so he said that yeah yeah so my son wants to work at my pump yeah yeah so i hope that stays you know i'm saying i hope i hope that continues on and so i i always tell katrina too like i tell you what that's why I don't trip about the sports thing because I know that's like a soft spot for me is I want him to want to want to really be into that and it's just not as jam but if he likes business as much or more than sports like I'll I'll be as excited or more excited probably I'm sure more excited I think I would be more excited so I'm just like then there's there's still a lot of hope for that because I feel like he's he's interested and he and he's into all that stuff so but yeah I don't what day, because that was before we left on vacation, right?

28:13Sal Di Stefano:And so I don't know what we did. I know Justin had to celebrate his Father's Day like a week early.

28:19Justin Andrews:Yeah, I did that. I went to Carmel. We went hiking and stuff and then had to hit up the cheese shop. I ended up finding... You were talking about that place. Dude, it's like my jam. It's amazing. I wish there was more of them. There's nothing like that place.

28:34Adam Schafer:I tell everybody. It's like European. In Europe, you find places like that.

28:37Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, it's totally European.

28:38Adam Schafer:Does European have stuff like that? I know in Italy. Well, like, yeah.

28:41Sal Di Stefano:So the place that Justin is talking about has cheese from all over the world. Wow. Every kind of cheese you can think of all over the world. And then they have all these wines. And then the guy behind the counter pairs them. Yeah.

28:56Justin Andrews:Well, until he gets your palate for, like, what types of hard, soft cheeses or like what kind of like whatever direction you get to try them all first. So I brought the kids. The kids had never been there, and so they were kind of tripping out because there was just so many options, you know, and you're like trying out, and they're doing the truffle this. It's like they do combos of some of them. So anyway, yeah, we were in there a really long time. Do you like like blue cheeses, strong blue cheese?

29:25Adam Schafer:Yeah, me too.

29:26Justin Andrews:Yeah. Love them. Yeah. People are hit or hit or hit or hit or hit or hit or hit with people. Yeah, because some people associate the whole mold thing and all that. Some of the stinky ones, you're kind of like, yikes.

29:36Adam Schafer:I haven't found a stinky cheese that I didn't like. I like the really strong cheeses.

29:42Sal Di Stefano:It has to go with something for me. Well, you've got to put it on a cracker. Yeah, you've got to put it with something.

29:47Adam Schafer:There's a cheese. I want to say it's an Italian cheese. The maggot one? Yep. They leave the maggots in there. Yeah, yeah. They flick them off before they give you the cheese. It's not mimolette, is it? I don't know. I would not that's one cheese I wouldn't try I've seen it

30:00Sal Di Stefano:I'm not cool that's one of my favorites but that place that Justin's talking about did you guys stay at a hotel too or no did you just go there

30:07Justin Andrews:no it was just a day thing yeah then we went to

30:08Sal Di Stefano:oh I know what we did we did a drive that's what we did Katrina and I Katrina and I did a drive and did our spotlight that's kind of our thing where we'll go take off for the day and do a nice do a nice

30:21Adam Schafer:it's a Sardinian cheese casu marzo oh okay yeah sheep milk cheese for being infested with live maggots, which ferment the cheese, giving you a very soft, creamy texture. Pungent, smellish. It's probably delicious.

30:33Justin Andrews:It's funny, though. It's like you got to be the first one to try it. There's like maggots on there. You're like, oh, this is delicious. I don't think you eat the maggots.

30:39Sal Di Stefano:I think they get the maggots off before they give it to you. I hope so. I would think so. They look really tiny, though, like you could easily miss some of them.

30:45Adam Schafer:Ugh. It's like - I'm not down.

30:47Sal Di Stefano:And it blends in with the cheese pretty good. I'm like, look at that. Look at how they look. Tell me you would not miss some of those. Ugh. I wouldn't even trust someone to be like, oh yeah, we cleaned them all off. Oh, sure you did, buddy.

30:58Justin Andrews:Sure, they're high in protein.

30:59Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, Doug, what did you do?

31:01Adam Schafer:Did you do anything for dad?

31:02Justin Andrews:Well, you see, Father's Day was almost the same day as my birthday this year. And so they got combined. So I ended up having dinner with Brianna and she was going to pay for dinner, but I chose an expensive Japanese restaurant. I ended up paying for it.

31:20Adam Schafer:You have saved, I'm sure you do, you're such a sentimental guy. I bet you have a bunch of Father's Day cards and stuff you've saved.

31:26Justin Andrews:Yeah, I save all that stuff. I am very sentimental, actually.

31:29Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. Yeah. That's so great. Do you plan to do anything with it or do you just keep it?

31:33Justin Andrews:I keep that. I mean, I have a lot of video and stuff like that. That's just the things I do more with photos and video. But the cards, you know, just every once in a while you run into them, you pull something out and say, oh, I remember that.

31:45Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, Katrina saves all hers.

31:47Justin Andrews:Yeah, I'm kind of a pack rat that way, which is not very positive because generally speaking, you may look at it once every 10 years.

31:56Adam Schafer:But when you do see it,

31:57Justin Andrews:it does something for you.

31:59Adam Schafer:It does.

31:59Sal Di Stefano:You bring it up, especially when your kids grow up. Well, I think the key is to make something out of it that's like a book or something like that. Because what happens is it ends up turning into, because Katrina does this and she keeps all of it and that drives me crazy. And I'm just like...

32:13Adam Schafer:You know what would be a good gift for her? What? At some point? What? It would be for you to organize it. Like maybe like when Matt's at 10. Oh yeah, no, no, you're right.

32:19Sal Di Stefano:No, that's her, I told you guys when the first five years we were together, I made books of our first five years. So that was me who did the photos and then I put together. So we have a chronological order of these photo books of our first five years together. Haven't done it since then, but I'm sure she would love that with Max.

32:39Adam Schafer:You know what Jesse organized for us? Because we were up at Yellowstone. Yeah. And we went up there with her mom and her brother and her sister-in-law and the kids and all that. She organized a day with a photographer. so we drove uh not to yellowstone but kind of like almost like off the grid a little bit because there was a spot and this photographer met us out there and i can't wait to see how the photos turned out because it was like the background was incredible with the mountains we're like in this meadow yeah yeah and we were just like dusk so but i gotta tell you this you know what i gotta tell you guys so i rented a i had uh because we had so many people i had to rent a minivan and i get to drove it minivans are pretty amazing you're trying to sell some Listen, the amount of people and the cargo.

33:22Adam Schafer:And then I went off-road with that thing. Because she took us off-road and it had rain the day before. And I was a little bit like, are we going to make it? Let me tell you, bro. That minivan made it. I just re-watched. I was going off-road. I just re-watched.

33:33Sal Di Stefano:My other Italian friend tried to sell me on minivans. You guys remember John Travolta and Get Shorty? I just re-watched. Oh, that's a great movie. Great movie. I never watched that.

33:40Adam Schafer:What? No, I never watched that.

33:41Sal Di Stefano:Oh, what a great film. I just re-watched it the other day. And there's a scene where he's like a debt collector, right? whatever like muscle guy or whatever and he's he's getting off his plane to get his rented car that he had ordered and he i think he ordered like a nice cadillac or like that and he pulls up and it's like a minivan it looks at the lady he's like what is this he's she's like it's the cadillac of minivans and so there's like a whole scene of him like driving around the minivan and then he sees danny devito and danny devito's like hey is that that new minivan he's like yeah it's the Cadillac.

34:14Sal Di Stefano:He's like, can I take it for a spin?

34:17Justin Andrews:So if you remember that one commercial, they even tried to have like a Puma in the back of it.

34:22Adam Schafer:Like this is the manliest man you've ever seen. I love those old things.

34:27Sal Di Stefano:Do you guys, okay. So since you brought up Father's Day and stuff like that, and do you have in mind what a perfect Father's Day looks like for you? Like what, like, is there, like, did you want something in particular? You're so easy. I bet you have nothing to say. but I bet I'm sure you're very specific I'm sure you're exactly I feel like Justin and I will be Doug might be too I'm curious what a good father's day kind of looks like what does that look like for you do you have an idea for me oh I just want to feel

35:03Adam Schafer:I just want to be around my kids dude my kids and my wife and I want to feel there's not a thing that

35:07Sal Di Stefano:you want to do specifically with them there's not like a

35:10Adam Schafer:I just want to feel loved by them I want to feel, I want them to hug me. I want to be around them. I want to have dinner with them. It would be awesome if everybody said something they liked, you know, about their dad or told some story. That'd be crazy. Yeah. But just, I want to be around. I just want to be around.

35:25Sal Di Stefano:Did you see that the viral memes of the, like the, the, the mother's day versus the father's day, the mother's day. It's like accurate. You're like margaritas girls day. It's like a party, some of that. The dad's barbecuing on father's day. Doing all this stuff. Anyways. Yeah. Yeah. What about you, John? Do you think that's a perfect father's name?

35:46Justin Andrews:Yeah. I'm like, I love going on nature hikes and stuff with the kids and getting away from the house and tech. And I don't know. I like when everybody's on the same page and we're all doing one thing together. And it's like something active. And then, obviously, for me, the perfect scenario would be for me to do that. and then I'd go and get a massage or something, just relax and chill.

36:16Sal Di Stefano:Oh, you are a massage guy for that. I'm totally a massage guy. I know you did that for yours, and I actually heard about it, and I was just like, I wonder if that was Justin's idea. Did you let them touch your feet?

36:26Adam Schafer:No, no feet guy.

36:29Sal Di Stefano:I actually totally called that that was not your thing. That's hilarious. Yeah, no, I like it. I was so wrong.

36:36Justin Andrews:That's the thing. Dude, I'm so wound up all the time. like that's like a one i kind of do it more like on plan if it's like a vacation or something like i want to at least get one day like that where i'm just like you know you work all the knots out

36:49Sal Di Stefano:and then i can just like decompress yeah but it's really like decompressing so i'm in a better mood

36:54Justin Andrews:come back hang out because i'm like oh i'm i'm really tense all the time and like always like trying to you know do stuff so i don't know i totally did i did not call that at all because

37:07Sal Di Stefano:I knew you did that and I was totally talking about you on that day and I was just like I wonder if that was Justin's idea or that was just Courtney thought I would love a massage so I'm going to get him a massage or go to like a concert it would be rad

37:18Adam Schafer:I knew you were not a massage that would be cool no and I always have bad experiences you guys got my text yesterday

37:23Sal Di Stefano:oh yeah you mentioned that yeah you definitely don't know how to pick a good massage that's why so here's the deal get the mall massage

37:30Adam Schafer:yeah this guy goes to a mall massage no I've had I've had good massages also So I'm just not a, it doesn't do a lot for me where, you know, I just, it's not a huge thing and that's okay.

37:41Sal Di Stefano:You know what I say to that? I say that, that you are a person who says, I feel good. I know I already feel great. But you don't know what great feels like. And until you feel great, you don't realize what you were missing. Cause there is, there, there's, there is absolutely levels to massage. And I have had the whole gamut and spectrum, okay. Being married to one. And so I know what it's, I've, I've had hundreds of massages and everything in between. And there is a very clear difference between horrible. Okay. Good. And holy shit.

38:15Adam Schafer:So I've had lots of massages and I've had some that were horrible. I've had some that were good. I just fall asleep. That's all that happens to me. I just fall asleep with the good ones. So I'm like, I can do that by myself.

38:25Sal Di Stefano:If you can, if, if a massage puts you to sleep and you feel relaxed and I see, I know the

38:30Adam Schafer:benefit of correctional massage. I think it's super valuable. but yesterday Jessica and I had some time without the kids. They were at my parents' house and she goes to this place in the mall. It's one of those like Chinese massage places, you know, where they - Like 20 bucks. Yeah, like 20 bucks, whatever. Which is just so funny how they figured out around the laws and they're able to do that. And anyway - So low and hammer you. And they know her by name. She goes there every single week. It's like her thing. She loves it. She goes there, gets a massage, reads her Bible, does her whole thing.

38:55Adam Schafer:So I'm like, let's go do that. So, and she gets excited because she loves it. So I go over there and I don't like foot massages because I'm way too ticklish. Like, you touch my feet, I'll kick you.

39:04Justin Andrews:Well, I have a scar on the bottom of mine. Oh, that's right. Yeah, it doesn't feel right.

39:08Adam Schafer:No, I don't like that. So I'm like, I'll lay on my stomach. You can work on my back. That's totally fine. And I get this dude who, big Chinese dude, like big old potato head guy, like big dude. He's like, I'll work on you. Barely speaks English. I'm like, cool. It was the most violent massage I've ever had in my life. No, no, it was violent. It was like head butting your back. No, no, listen, listen. It's not just that, Doug. He wasn't just like working on me. There were times when he's like working on my hands, I'm laying flat, and he's like, and then he like punched my hands a couple times. And I'm like, my face is down and I'm laughing.

39:40Adam Schafer:So I'm like, what is he doing? Why is he punching my hands? Or he'd hit my back, you know? But like, I'm like, is he trying to like fight me? Like what's going on here?

39:48Justin Andrews:He's like overcompensating. It was violent.

39:52Adam Schafer:After we were done, I looked at my wife. I'm like, dude, I was laughing halfway through that. It was too much.

39:58Sal Di Stefano:Well, you, Doug.

40:00Justin Andrews:Me, just quality time with Brianna mainly. And the massage sounds great, though. Next year, I'm going to request that.

40:06Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, that totally shocked me with Justin. Yeah, I know. Totally shocked me. I would not have guessed you as like - I'm going to guess -

40:12Adam Schafer:I'm not like a freebie flyer, but I love it. I'm going to guess you want presents, Adam.

40:16Sal Di Stefano:No, actually, no. I actually don't. I'm a terrible gift receiver. You should know that. You know that. Not if it's expensive. No, even my wife fails at that.

40:24Adam Schafer:She got your really expensive present?

40:25Sal Di Stefano:She hates that. Do you know the last really expensive present I have I've never used is sitting in my closet. I got to return it. I haven't returned it. Like I just, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm really difficult to, to, to purchase for. And I know that. And I'm a terrible gift receiver. So I actually don't like receiving gifts. Uh, father's day for me is like, uh, the, the perfect day looks like, uh, breakfast and coffee, like coffee met to me before I get out of my bed. Like that's a, that's a big one.

40:52Justin Andrews:Yeah.

40:53Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. I mean, that's when Katrina does that for me on the weekends a lot or like, or for father's day, for sure. Like getting handed a cup of coffee before I even sit up out of bed is like, ah, yeah, this is that's that's super super nice and then uh i spend some time with my son and he normally participates in making breakfast for me with katrina which is always cute we get to do that for a little bit that's fun um and and then my house being cleaned for me for the day before i have to leave the house so i know it sounds like mother's day like it's spotless and then i want to drive and then i want to and then with my wife i like a go a drive somewhere where we land at a place that we'd like to eat and go eat some fancy restaurant and have some drinks and then drive back and then and then actually have the so where I might be different where I think a lot of a lot of dads want to spend the time with their kid I spend a lot of time with my kid so actually that's a that's a day where I'm like I like to see him in the morning and I like to do that with him in the morning but then I actually like this is we normally have her mom take him or somebody and then that's me and Katrina and so I actually like a night alone with her and day like that and to come home to the house spotless, had spent the time with my son, started it with coffee, a great drive to a great restaurant with good drinks, and then come back to our house.

42:10Sal Di Stefano:Nice. That's like, yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't, the gifting's not like a.

42:14Adam Schafer:That's nice. Yeah, yeah. I'm not a big gift guy either, but I like sentimental, like the ones that my kids.

42:19Sal Di Stefano:I love to give gifts. Me too. So for Mother's Day, I love to surprise Katrina with gifts, and I do get, I love to buy gifts, but I'm not, I'm horrible at receiving them. Yeah. So if,

42:33Adam Schafer:if one of us was to like show you love, what would we do? You guys could buy me a gift. Okay.

42:40Sal Di Stefano:Cause you guys could afford the gifts. You're like, this is coming out of my account. I don't like this.

42:51Sal Di Stefano:You know what I'm saying? If it's your buddy. Yeah. My wife buys me a watch. I'm like, I bought a better one. Yeah. I would. If I was going to spend that kind of money, I would have bought this model. You know what I'm saying? But you know what I'm saying? Since it was my, but you guys could buy me that.

43:06Adam Schafer:You know what I'm saying? I'd be like, damn, yeah.

43:08Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, I'd be pretty pumped.

43:10Adam Schafer:That's true, huh? Even if you missed a little bit. That's true. If she buys you a gift, I'm like, I bought that. Yeah.

43:14Sal Di Stefano:How much did that cost me right now? Yeah. It's, hey, that's such a bad, I guess it's so awful to say that, but it's like, there's a part of you that goes, you know, oh my God, you spent that much money. and it's like, if I was going to spend that much money, I probably would have done this thing where if it's coming from you guys, it's free.

43:32Adam Schafer:Yeah, and it's nice. It's like, okay, that's cool. I like that. Did you guys, I'll change the subject. Did you guys see the big skin cancer observational study that people are talking about on social media? Did you guys see this? No. All right. So I'm going to pull it up because it's flying all over social media. It was actually, the study itself, it was an observational analysis from the UK Biobank cohort. So this was published in Cancer Epidemiology, Biomarkers and Prevention. And it had over 440 ,000 people with controls. And so they found thousands of skin cancer cases, and they tried to make some associations.

44:12Adam Schafer:Here's what they found. Frequent sunscreen users showed higher observed rates of skin cancers. Wow. Compared to people who didn't use it very often. Even after they made adjustments for factors like age, sex, skin type, tanning ability, sunburn history, sun lamp use, and time spent outdoors. So actually, even though it's observational, they did make some corrections for certain things. And here's what they found. The associations included up to 292 % higher risk of invasive melanoma, a 140 % higher risk of basal cell carcinoma, and 126 % higher rate of squamous cell carcinoma. And there was a dose response pattern, meaning more frequent sunscreen use was linked to higher skin cancer risks.

45:07Adam Schafer:That's crazy. That does not look good.

45:10Justin Andrews:I'm assuming they're using like chemical-based sunscreens. These are chemical-based sunscreens.

45:15Sal Di Stefano:Right, right. So if we're using things that are non, that you're - Correct. Okay.

45:18Adam Schafer:The vast majority of sunscreen users use the more popular sunscreens that contain these kind of chemicals that will absorb and scatter UV rays. And those have hormone-like effects in the body. And studies consistently show that the amount of those chemicals that they can find in your blood are far higher than what our even FDA would say would be safe.

45:47Sal Di Stefano:Now, is there any correlation between when you use all natural stuff or nothing at all, you also have to manage your time that you're being exposed to the sun because you're, or is that being controlled in this situation?

46:02Adam Schafer:These are the factors they adjusted for. Again, age, sex, skin type. So this was one that I would have thought out the gate. It's like, okay, well, maybe people who are dark don't use a lot of sunscreen. They control for that. Tanning ability. So sunburn history, sun lamp use, and then time spent outdoors. So it's not a perfectly controlled, placebo-controlled study, which I don't know how you'd be able to do that with long, long, long – I mean, it's really hard to do that. but so many people in there over 400 000 people and you had higher rates and it was dose response uh connected so the more sunscreen pretty concerning yeah very concerning dude man very concerning yeah so uh you know these i know sunburns aren't good for you and yeah and the chemical-based sunscreens will reduce have you ever seen the sunburns but but are those chemicals I was causing cancer.

46:57Yeah, I was like, you know, somebody that had a frequent, like, really bad sunburns

47:02Justin Andrews:or, like, to the point where it, like, had blisters and, like, with that, you know, over time, you know, how that affected the skin. But, I mean, it sounds like the chemical exposure, like, continuous.

47:13Sal Di Stefano:What does state by state look like?

47:15Adam Schafer:For skin cancer? Yeah. You would expect skin cancer rates to be higher in sunnier states.

47:21Sal Di Stefano:Right, California and Florida.

47:22Adam Schafer:I bet you they're lower. That's what I want to see. I bet you they're lower. but I could be wrong

47:27Sal Di Stefano:that's why I'm curious

47:29Adam Schafer:which states in the US have the highest skin cancer rates Doug that's what I would look up I bet you they're we need to know per capita not by person

47:39Sal Di Stefano:because obviously Florida and California is huge

47:41Adam Schafer:it would be skin cancer rates which would be

47:46Sal Di Stefano:Utah, Vermont, Iowa, Minnesota and Idaho look at that

47:51Adam Schafer:Utah, Vermont, Iowa, Minnesota and Idaho the highest incidence rates wow and now there are higher elevations yeah that could be part of it they're outdoors a lot could be part of it but people in florida california hawaii like you guys

48:07Justin Andrews:are outside a lot too yeah and the sun you also more fair-skinned residents in those states okay

48:13Adam Schafer:i mean true i wonder if they control for that what we would see scroll down more doug because

48:19Sal Di Stefano:there's a higher that's fascinating to me would you i guarantee you guys wouldn't have guessed any of those states no no no no dude put those on the list that is wild that's crazy and it is per package so this is controlled yeah yep so i i here's the thing like uh because we've we've

48:37Adam Schafer:treated the sun like it's like this really dangerous thing which is crazy crazy um i think you definitely don't want to go and burn yourself uh but i think it's a good idea to to to get your body condition exposure yeah to the sun small amounts small amounts get your body conditioned to the sun uh you know vitamin d very good for you also anti-cancer or should i say if you have low vitamin d cancer rates go up and then if you're going to use sunscreen use the mineral ones

49:05Sal Di Stefano:yeah use the mineral ones you know the altitude does play a factor it's so wild i can tell so i just came back right from from nevada look up countries with the highest skin cancer rates And I'm up in the mountains, like Reno area, and meant laying out. And you guys know the summer I've been laying out a lot at our own pool, like a ton. We've been out around the pool. And I can feel a difference in less than an hour's time of laying out around the pool up in Reno versus hours around my pool. It's intense. It is intense. Yep, yep. And the temperature doesn't even have to be hotter. So it's not like the difference of 80 degrees at my house versus 80 degrees over in Reno and an hour, an hour of each in there, night and day difference.

49:56Sal Di Stefano:You know what's crazy? You can feel it. I can feel it.

49:59Adam Schafer:You know what I would like to see, Doug? Maybe we don't have this data. So there's one country in the world that had a national effort, like they funded this nationally to get everybody to wear sunscreen. It was Australia. There was actually a - Right there. Yes. They have high rates of skin cancer. I want to know if, did Australia's sunscreen efforts reduce skin cancer rates? Or did it increase? Yeah. Because they actually had this whole national campaign for decades where they were trying to encourage people. And so I want to see. And then the other thing is, did it reduce skin cancer or increase other cancers?

50:38Adam Schafer:Because sometimes what you see is a reduction in skin cancer, but then vitamin D. Mm-hmm. Yeah. the iconic Slip, Slop, Slap. That's what it was. SunSmart program. It reduced skin cancer rates in younger generations. So it did in that case. I'd like to see if the other regular cancers went up though.

50:57Justin Andrews:I'd also like to see how much.

50:59Adam Schafer:Yeah. Younger Australians born are estimated to be four times less likely to develop skin cancer compared to older. Evidence shows that Australians aged 18 to 40 who use sunscreen regularly in childhood reduced their risk by developing melanoma by 40%. Okay. I don't know, man. It's interesting to me. Here's the deal. I don't think sunscreen's bad. I think chemical sunscreens should be avoided. That's the position I would take. Yeah.

51:22Justin Andrews:Yeah, I don't think. I mean, your skin's a major organ. Well, it's interesting because all the things you guys are reading right now, though,

51:27Sal Di Stefano:they're just blanket saying sunscreen. They're not like saying natural or like that, and it's reducing. So it almost seems like even chemical sunscreen is better than no sunscreen.

51:39Adam Schafer:When I looked at this, the study that I just read seems to point in the other direction, that it's not good. And like I said, we see that there are, we know that there are like hormone-like effects from these chemicals and they build up in the blood much higher than we think is.

51:58Justin Andrews:Well, I mean, it's been an interesting experiment for us and our family with the sastaxanthin like supplement. And it's like still get like a little bit of a burn, but it doesn't last and it pretty much recovers like a lot faster than it would say, you know, without it. So I don't know. I'm very curious to see if this is like the answer instead of sunscreen anymore.

52:21Adam Schafer:Interesting. By the way, it says there that the incidence of melanoma initially rose alongside sunscreen adoption. And then, yeah, you know, I want to look a little deeper into that and to see what effects were, you know, because I've read other studies that have connected people avoiding the sun to higher rates of other types of cancers. versus people actually seek out going out into the sun. Yeah. So I don't know. Interesting. Anyway, I got to tell you guys, yesterday I was doing social media. I was, you know, you guys know I was out there doing social media clips and stuff.

52:53Sal Di Stefano:Oh, you did that yesterday.

52:55Adam Schafer:One of the clips I was doing was with the Chris Power. Yeah. Which, by the way, our social media team has been just crushing. You know what's funny? It's to see comments underneath people saying social media team is kicking butt. No, no, no. Really, really cool. so anyway i was doing it like this thing uh with crisp power where danny was having me uh say you know up to 28 grams of protein per bag and then i had to do it with different emotions excited angry uh sarcastic so i had to do like these different yeah type of motions but in between you know i'd eat one of the crisper those things are so addictive i know i'm glad they have

53:30Sal Di Stefano:those bigger bags i was like i mean they are but i saw i mean i i had one last uh yesterday they're

53:36Adam Schafer:It's like you might as well eat potato chips.

53:38Sal Di Stefano:I had them on my drive. I mean, I have them almost every day, but I had them last night on my drive home from here. And I'm actually so impressed by how satisfying a bag tastes. So when you're done, because of the protein. Yes. I can't think of a – you remember they come in those sizes. You remember we just went up to Truckee, and my friend's family bought the Costco-sized variety pack of Cheetos, those Doritos, all the, all the, you know, you ain't eating one bag of that. You don't. No way. You don't. Not even the kids. No way. I had to limit the kids. I see their kids eating them. I'm like, Hey, that's already two bags.

54:15Sal Di Stefano:I just saw you eat back to back. You better ask your mom and dad if you're okay. Like, I mean, you could just crush those things. I have one little bag of those Chris power and I am fine. I do. I do not have this sensation of like, I need another one, which they are so delicious. No, they are. They're fantastic. And I, and I enjoy it. But I don't think I've ever had a small bag of something like that and feel satisfied after having it. And to know that I just took in a 28-gram protein snack is, yeah, it's cool.

54:47Adam Schafer:They hit the formula because they're crushing right now. I'm seeing them in all kinds of big retailers. They're Costco. And now I knew it. When we first were introduced to them and I tried it, I was like, oh, they're going to. If you can make something that's high-protein taste really good, like not like it has high-protein, because a lot of high-protein foods you can taste that's got protein in it. If you can make something palatable that's high-protein, you're going to make a lot of money because people are just going to crush it.

55:11Sal Di Stefano:Well, especially a salty carb snack. Yeah. It's traditionally a salty carb snack. It doesn't taste far off from the real thing because that's the other thing too is like you'll see some of these products and they'll be high-protein and then it's just like – That's what I mean. You can taste there's protein. It's like, yeah, this is not good.

55:27Adam Schafer:No, they taste like pretzels with nacho cheese on them or pretzels with flaming. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, they did a good job.

55:34Sal Di Stefano:They absolutely crushed it.

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56:45Justin Andrews:First question is from Fit Mechanic King. I do CrossFit four to five times per week for fun and as a sport. I love the community and the competitions. I want to build strength outside CrossFit classes. What program would you recommend? I'm considering MAPS 15 Strong or MAPS 15 Performance.

57:04Adam Schafer:Nothing. Nothing. I recommend nothing. On top of your four to five. Yeah, listen. If you're going to do CrossFit four to five times a week and you want to add something to it, don't. Good recipe to get weaker. Yeah, you're not going to. There's nothing we could add that'll make you stronger. But there is something we could do that'll make you stronger. Do CrossFit twice a week. follow maps 15 performance mass 15 mass 15 power lift and you will get stronger yeah but it ain't gonna happen doing this much uh exercise this much cross just do mass performance and ditch

57:35Sal Di Stefano:crossfit i'm so i want to see this person's profile too because it's fit mechanic king is this guy also a full-time mechanic yeah i don't know just well he's the king so he probably is

57:45Adam Schafer:i look i tell you what i mean talk about her i tell you what if you're doing crossfit because And he said the right things. It's for fun, sport, love the community. Awesome. Yeah, that's all should be.

57:57Sal Di Stefano:That's what everybody says, bro. But then deep down, they want to build muscle or they want to look better. I was just going to say, but you also said

58:04Adam Schafer:you want to build strength. It ain't going to happen doing all that. No. So you've got to pick. You have to pick which one you're going to do.

58:11Sal Di Stefano:It's a terrible recipe what you're already doing. That's not the recipe to get stronger and to get fitter and to look better. It's like if you want that, then. And you can still listen. Doing CrossFit two times a week is still fun. Still have some fun doing it. You know what the problem is? Or join a – because I do know this. CrossFit has evolved since Mind Pump has been shitting on it for 10 years. And it has turned into – there's a lot of good coaches that have modified it or allow people to do their own thing, which it's not really CrossFit anymore. You know, now it's becoming more like personal training.

58:47Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, now it's more like functional. And so if you like showing up to the CrossFit gym with your community and you can say, hey, two times a week, I'm going to enjoy the class with everybody. And then the other three times a week, I'm going to do Mass 15. You could totally do that.

59:01Adam Schafer:Look, I'll say this right now. CrossFit programming has generally, and a lot of gyms gotten better, but it's still CrossFit. It's still WODs. It's still combining exercises. It's still. Move you around a lot. high intensity approach. I get the community aspect. This is what gyms are crap at, uh, and CrossFit's great at. They did a great job. And I'm going to, I'm look, I'm going to tell you this right now. And this is just a big epiphany for me in more recent years. Now I'm a fanatic. So in other words, I'm the rare person who goes to the gym, can do it by myself and enjoy it. But for most people, community, one of the strongest correlates to consistency, like if someone's going to stay consistent for the rest of their life with fitness one of the strongest correlates is community it just is it's a fact now i didn't get that before because i'm a fanatic i do it no matter what but it's so it's very important so i like that part of it but crossfit uh is it's you're doing crossfit and it's not the best way to do to accomplish aesthetic goals or strength goals you'll get good at crossfit and i'll tell you this much right now this is a big problem people and people do this with all sports they look at the top competitors and they say well that's how i need to train to be good at this particular sport like if you want to be you want to build muscle don't train like a pro bodybuilder you want to be great at crossfit don't train like the crossfit uh competitors like the top ones they're doing way more than you can tolerate the average person would get better at crossfit faster if they did it like twice a week

1:00:33Justin Andrews:Yeah, it's the mentality that's wrong. If you look at it as a sport, then you're going to treat it differently. And so knowing that, how often do you compete in a sport? It's like you're going to be limited in the amount of times you compete. Therefore, the training should supplement that and build you up towards it. So the problem with me is always they've merged the two together, and it doesn't work. It's not just that.

1:00:58Sal Di Stefano:So this person is also a fitness coach, a trainer. uh in a lot of times what happens to people that love fitness is you do what you can handle and tolerate and therefore you think it's okay so it's like just because you can do crossfit five times a week doesn't make it optimal for results and so and everybody in this room is living proof of this also at one point in our careers all listen there was a time when i trained seven days a week double days you know i'm saying and i could do it i did it for a long time yeah and and you know and i was quote unquote fit i just would have been way fitter doing a lot less being doing it a lot smarter than the way he did so it's like that's right everything you're doing is way too much to garner the results that you want from it you want to be strong you want to be mobile you want to be fit you want to you want to look good you want all those things well trained way different The training four to five times a day or four or five times a week of CrossFit plus trying to do a MAPS program is not the recipe.

1:02:00Adam Schafer:If you did CrossFit twice a week and did MAPS 15, one of our MAPS 15 programs, do that for 60 days. If you're listening to this, do this for 60 days. You'll get stronger at every single lift, and you'll probably get better. If you CrossFit. That'll work.

1:02:17Justin Andrews:That'll work. Next question is from Brenda Partica. At 63, is there a limit to how much you can push your progressive overload training? I competed at age 58 and hit PRs I never thought I'd be able to do. Now I train for health and physique, but feel overwhelmed not hitting PRs like I did four years ago.

1:02:38Adam Schafer:Great question. So you've obviously been training consistently that whole time. And you were training consistently before age 58 because that's when you were hitting PRs. So here's a deal with getting stronger. It's one of the best things to chase for the first few years. It's the best thing to chase for the first few years. After that, chasing strength gives you diminishing returns and then eventually becomes a not worth the squeeze. It becomes too much of a risk factor for injury. okay so getting stronger is great but at this point in your lifting career what you want to do is you just want to get better at movement you want to get better at movements you're not good at you want to work on mobility you want to just continue to maintain where you're at you can't possibly hit prs 5 10 15 years into your lifting career unless you start when you're 15 years old and you're obviously growing into your body it's just not going to happen and it's not really a good thing to continue chasing because you will hurt yourself i mean i'm gonna put a little twist

1:03:38Sal Di Stefano:on that yes you can hit prs but the way that you suggested it do something you don't do have you ever got really good at turkish get-ups go start those and watch how weak you are when you first start doing them and watch you pr doing it after you've been doing it for two months you ever got good at windmills go get really good at windmills and watch what happens you're gonna hit prs in that when people say things like prs they automatically default to the bench squat deadlift overhead press which they maxed out by which they they've they've trained for four years five years eight years and they've reached these epic numbers that they never thought that maybe they could get and now they're no longer seeing those maybe they even seen a little bit of regression and now it discourages them because they're not seeing prs anymore well like if you want to see prs go practice a lift that you've never done or rarely ever do and go get good at it and those some of the ones that just go do a circus.

1:04:34Sal Di Stefano:All the unconventional ones. Learn how to do a circus press. Learn to do farmer carries. These are all great movements. Zurcher School. They all have great movements that have great carryover and benefit to your overall health, physique, and strength. And you can still get that thrill of watching yourself get stronger doing it. But if you're still focused on the four main lifts that we talk about that are so great for you and still trying to hit PRs, the ROI on that at this point in your life is just not there.

1:05:04Justin Andrews:Next question is from my best friend, Jack. How about a guide on how to build a chest when both shoulders have chronic pain?

1:05:11Adam Schafer:Okay. So a lot of this determines on what's causing the issue with your shoulders. But I would focus on shoulder mobility movements like handcuffs with rotation or wall circles or scapular circles. You can find these all in Maps Prime Pro. and now go light and slow with my chest exercises to make the light weight feel heavy. Okay, so in the meantime, you're doing your normal pressing movements. You're picking a weight that's light and your goal is to make it feel heavy through slowing the movement down, squeezing and just making it feel more difficult. But the focus is gonna be on shoulder mobility.

1:05:49Sal Di Stefano:So the key to this is, it's not what chest exercises you do to build a chest through this. It's what you need to do to fix the chronic pain in the shoulders. Chronic pain is movement pattern issues. It's weakness and instability in joints. That's what that is. It's unless you had some acute injury where your shoulder was torn or you had some rotator cuff, something major has happened, which is not most people. Most people have like this sharp pain in the front of their shoulder or they have this clicking noise that they notice or they go to lift over their head and they feel grinding. of the like that's that chronic pain that's a movement issue and that can be corrected and fixed by putting some effort towards fixing the shoulders you fix the shoulders you build mobility stability and strength in the shoulders and the chest will come up the you're you will just get stronger in

1:06:44Justin Andrews:all your chest lifts and we yeah most of the time to your point it's it's the rotation because it's You have to be very intentional to focus on introducing that into your everyday training or just like your movement in general. You have to be focusing on where do I add rotation? Where do I implement this? So that way now this isn't something that's an instability. My body will recognize this. It'll add more stability to the joint, which then helps you get through the pain signal. And then it helps you actually like produce more force. So a lot of the times, like, you know, you start with the mobility, you start with like your limitations and range of motion.

1:07:28Justin Andrews:You find out what those limitations are. You work through that, you regain the stability. Then we just gradually load that.

1:07:35Adam Schafer:It's really amazing when you look at the shoulder joint, not to get too technical, but I don't know if this is an accurate statement, but I think it is. It's one of the, or if not the most complex joint in the body. It's floating. It's very complex and it has incredible mobility. It's got incredible mobility, rotation. It's designed or it evolved, whatever you believe, to be able to throw things with accuracy, to be able to hang, to do incredible things. But that means it needs to remain balanced and stable with strength that supports all that movement. But when you get there, your shoulders are capable of incredible things.

1:08:18Adam Schafer:And oftentimes this pain comes from I'm training the same kind of movement over and over again and not working on those other areas. And so that produces this kind of like huge imbalance of strength, which is where the instability comes from.

1:08:30Sal Di Stefano:Well, to your point, the shoulder is so complex, can do so many amazing things like throw, like hang, like move in this full range. And if you stop doing it as we age, your body prunes the ability to do it. Now, that doesn't mean you can't get it back. You can absolutely get it back. And to answer a guide for that, that is Prime Pro. That is why we wrote that program. That program is designed to help people address every major joint in their body when they suffer from chronic pain or lack mobility and instability in those joints. And you just need to live in the shoulder and shoulder girdle area.

1:09:08Sal Di Stefano:Just those are the movements that you do all the time. You do it every day, as many times a day again. Most certainly, you always do it before you lift and lift on chest day.

1:09:19Justin Andrews:Next question is from TheGutCheck. Are you guys willing to take on an eager, inexperienced, recently certified NASM personal trainer?

1:09:27Adam Schafer:Look, that's what we look for. We don't hire trainers here. We make them. We make them. We make them. What we look for is character. What we're looking for are people who have the right passion, dedication, sense of purpose, who understand the culture of Mind Pump. So it helps that you listen to the show often and that you have our course because we coach you through the course. But you got to be willing. You got to be someone who's willing to go through it because it is a privilege to work here. Now, why is it a privilege to work here? Well, number one, our trainers, we compensate them really well.

1:10:01Adam Schafer:we provide them with some of the best clients they'll ever get because it comes through the show and they get some of the best training that I've ever seen ever I'm jealous and envious of the training that our coaches get I wish I had that kind of training and it's just because you know we have access to such incredible resources because of the podcast but I don't care how experienced you are that's great that's cool but you gotta have the right attitude you got to be the person like I'll talk about one of our top trainers Marcello so he's been with us how long has Marcelo been with us? About 18 months.

1:10:32Adam Schafer:Okay. Year and a half. He now runs the sales training for our coaches. He's also a coach himself. The guy gets raving, like the reviews he gets are just raving. Phenomenal results with his clients. People are getting great results. Love working with them. He does such a phenomenal job. A year and a half ago, he was a cop. He had no experience. Do you know how he got a job here? He kept showing up. He kept showing up here at Mind Pump and saying, I want to work for you guys. I want to work in fitness. And I think we probably saw him, what, three times before we gave him a shot? Was that it? Two or three times?

1:11:06Adam Schafer:Yeah. And he had the right attitude. And now the guy's incredible. And those are the people we look for. I mean,

1:11:12Sal Di Stefano:I have a hot take on this. I don't like experienced trainers. What comes with that is ego and bad habits. They have an ego. They think they're better than what they are. Typically, they have bad habits or way of doing, just like if you were to ask a golf pro, would you rather take a blank slate, somebody who's never swung a club and teach them how to swing a club great and be a pro, or would you rather have the guy who's been swinging a club like shit for five years and then try and get them to swing a club? You'll take that person who's brand new all day long and you'll make them a better golfer.

1:11:42Sal Di Stefano:I feel the same way about personal training. We've been doing this for so damn long. I feel confident I can take a police officer who's not trained somebody and make them a badass trainer within six months to a year, then I can take a four or five-year trainer with five national certs and train clients and thinks they know everything and thinks they are entitled to all this shit. So I prefer a trainer that is eager to learn, that is listening to the podcast, that is inexperienced and is hungry. That trainer ends up being a better coaching trainer. 100%.

1:12:11Adam Schafer:And you know what's funny? That's an old martial arts quote. There's an old martial arts quote, which is like, it's easier to teach a beginner had a kick effectively than someone who's been kicking wrong for 20 years. So it's 100%. And you're 100 % right, Adam. All the most successful coaches that I ever had working for me were these beginners that learned through the process and just became super, super good. But here's the deal. You've got to really show that you want to work here. So if you're listening, you want to be a trainer here, you've got to be willing to show you really want to work here.

1:12:45Adam Schafer:We're not going to come chase you down. We got more applicants than we can handle. You got to show it. There's a clip in the movie Fight Club that reminds me of this. You guys remember that clip? Where Tyler Durden. He just turns everybody away. Yeah, and they've got that house, that beat down house. And there's a dude that shows up. And he's like, he wants to be in the club. And he's like, get out of here. And he shuts the door.

1:13:06Justin Andrews:And he sprays them with water.

1:13:07Adam Schafer:And the guy just sits there for days. And finally, he's like, you can come in. That's the kind of attitude I'm looking for. You got to be resilient. Tough.

1:13:15Sal Di Stefano:Did you see the clip I shared with you guys? what a flop that was oh they when it first came out i didn't know that i know yeah it was a massive fail when it first turned into like one of the greatest classics and cult followings down the road but was a massive flop when it first hit i did not know that crazy yeah but yeah i mean we

1:13:34Adam Schafer:love we love trainers we love hiring trainers uh so if you want to work where's our where do people apply here is it mp mindpumpjobs.com but i'm gonna tell you right now if you don't have that attitude don't apply yeah i want to hire you don't want you in my place don't want you in the

1:13:49Sal Di Stefano:culture don't want you training i'd say the things i see the the ones that are doing really well are we we've got quite a few coaches and trainers that are new coaches trainers but have been listening to the podcast for a long i've listened to a lot of yeah you got to be bought into i mean we teach we teach coaching and philosophy on here if you've listened to us coach people answer these questions live on air i mean that education uh like i said i'll take that over the trainer who went out and got eight national certifications, worked at some big box gym for six years, and he's listened to 10 episodes and wants a job.

1:14:20Sal Di Stefano:Then the trainer who's listened to most all the episodes, but has never coached anybody because what you've learned listening to us coach people and from our experience, far more valuable.

1:14:30Adam Schafer:Yeah, look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. It's Mind Pump Media.

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