2902: How 311 Has Stayed Together for 35 Years — Nick Hexum on Sobriety, Fitness and Creativity

32:17Adam Schafer:How do you survive that validation challenge while being an artist that is in front of, you're touring every summer. That's like the ultimate validation machine. if I could ever imagine one. So it's feeding this, I don't know if you would say, an insecurity at the same time you're trying to deal with it. How do you do that? Well, I think the reason why what I was saying earlier, especially some solo artists, you know, lose control is because they're so focused on the outside validation that learning to live in a way that you approve of yourself is ultimately so much more important. And that comes from the self-esteem of doing esteemable acts, of having an attitude of service, of being helpful, of being kind, of being generous, that I need to approve of myself it because it outside validation does not fix you the way self esteem does any challenging times where that got challenged like uh like maybe you did a performance where you're like man they don't like that or i don't like that can you name some where it was like oh this is gonna be tough yeah well i've heard other i think i've heard bono talk about this that if he's doing a concert and he can tell that there's one person that's just kind of sitting there like it's very hard not to focus on that one person so you really just in the same the attitude of gratitude you need to focus on what's working rather than looking for that one possible you know failure yeah when you

34:07Sal Di Stefano:talked about um one of the things you guys did that i think was so brilliant was always focusing on the your your audience and the touring and live throughout all these these things right that we've watched Spotify and everything come through. When you look back at all these years, what are some of the bad business decisions that you think you guys made? Oh, bad. You know, we, we are always, we're pretty careful to keep things in house and not just like, you know, sell away all of our rights. Like some artists just see a check and they, and they make bad decisions. So, you know, we've been pretty careful about that and keeping a you know a grassroots attitude like that was the name of our second album because we were like we're just we can't rely on the label or anything to do this for us so we're just going to take it straight to the fans um so i can't think of any band decisions that were very bad but i i have an extreme risk tolerance that have made some you know some blunders but mostly good ones the fact that you guys this is something that i've you know not that it's no disrespect to even compare us to what you guys have done because it's nothing like that but one of the things that people always are because we've tied everything every bit of every business our angel investing our real estate portfolio everything that we've built we're all equal partners in everything and uh people are always like how in the hell does at work with four people like similar so you're you're four okay yeah there's four yeah so there's so you can get into a deadlock of two verses yeah yeah i know that we get into it we get into it you gotta go to rock paper scissors yeah and and uh and why i lie even though again when it's no disrespect to even compare to it's just like we all are responsible for different things i would i would say sal is our lead singer right so it's like for sure but there's things that everybody does but you still get credit like we get equal credit no matter what there's certain parts that guy's handle so but i what people have always asked is like man is there never a time when like one of the guys needs more money or needs more of that like you have an opportunity where they're like sell the rights we can get this big million dollar payout and one of the guys like man i can really use that right now like that hasn't no no we we everybody brings their own certain strengths you know what i mean tell me uh you're i always like talking to someone who's had the amount of successes you had to um your relationship with money and that journey a lot of times when you're young and you come into a ton of money especially if i don't know your history if you came from much or not um but what has that journey been like um well i think we all made kind of smart decisions of you know buying houses and stuff back in the mid 90s so um you know it's it's all worked out pretty good but we we just kind of maintain a slow burn you know what i mean like we're not big huge ups and downs basically because of our solid fan base that's not it's not the biggest in the world but it's a cult following so it's enabled us to have a very consistent business it's not super high flying we're not on private jets or any of that were you always grateful of that because you know sometimes i think artists could be thirsty to want to be crush yeah yeah i mean i we thought again again i hate to keep comparing us because it's like uh in the podcasting space we're not joe rogan but we have this incredible loyal fan base that has been a blessing it's been an absolute blessing i i actually like that growth for sure and so have you always liked that or did you did you thirst for more and then you've now become like grateful for that?

37:55I mean, I think that there's a healthy itch to keep a little bit of hunger going, you know, and keep exploring and putting, making new music and so forth. And I'm, I'm only human. I'm not completely immune to envy when I, you know, see somebody winning a Grammy or something like that. But, and then I just get back to how incredibly blessed I am.

38:23Adam Schafer:Who are your favorite artists that you like to pull from? I mean, Paul McCartney is the greatest living musician, in my opinion, as far as all around, you know, from, of course, songwriting, singing, instrumentation, performing, just and having such a vibe of love and positivity. Like, that's the pinnacle. when you were a kid you said Beach Boys yes I love cheerful music it always has transported me that comes through for sure can you go through like the different influences you had growing up because I'm sure like you know the different stages you had different like right now you're listening to music that takes you back to did you ever have an angry face like metal that's really what I want to know well the first band that really blew my mind was The Clash okay yeah that's a great band fairly fairly angry you know it was you know about you know kind of fight the power sort of revolution rock um and that really appealed to me when i was 13 and uh that i would just became so obsessed with that band and so now i've had a few times when artists tell me not artists when fans tell me 311 is to me what the clash was to you wow wow that's cool that's a pretty special place and and it's also something that there's only a window when people can get that into a band when they're in their their teen years you know what i mean yeah good point it like and it'll be a special place for you forever yeah yeah yeah have you met anybody as you guys were coming this happened to me a couple times where i'll meet someone and i was like i've been following them since i was a kid and i'm a fan they're like yeah i love your show i'm like what like have you had an opportunity to meet some of your heroes so um i'll try and make this story fairly quick basically getting to meet joe strummer of the clash the way it went down is that um the guy that was managing him was having a dinner party and he was like nick come by joe strummer's gonna be there and when i got there there was this cool cuban music coming out of a boom box and i went over a little closer and it had a 311 sticker on it no no oh yeah that's joe's boom box i was like wow my hero has our sticker that's a cool my life is did he know you're a huge fan there did he know yeah did you i mean i i think he heard totally fangirl when you met him like what was that like oh man i was just like yes i i fangirled now was Was it what you had expected?

41:12Adam Schafer:Because you build it up. Was it what you expected? Because sometimes you hear stories where people meet their hero and they're like, that guy was not, he was a jerk or he wasn't as cool as I thought he was. He was great. He imparted me with just so much perspective and wisdom of having been through, you know, I guess about a 30-year career at that point. So, yeah, it was really powerful.

41:34Sal Di Stefano:Any artists like that that you've met along the way that maybe shattered your paradigm or change your thinking along the way?

41:46I don't know. I mean, there's definitely some assholes out there. Can you name them?

41:54Adam Schafer:I'm going to guess in the hair metal space. That would not be my usual positivity to talk shit about anybody, throw shade.

42:01Sal Di Stefano:I'm sure that taught you, though, something about that, right? Yeah. Yeah. That's not how I want to be.

42:08Adam Schafer:Can you tell us without naming names where that kind of, because there's, I mean, this happens where you meet someone, you have an expectation and they just crush you because they're either a jerk or they just whatever. I mean, it's happened a few times that people in bands that I met have made like extremely racist comments. And I'm like, really? Yeah. How is this? In the music industry? Yeah. You get canceled for that. I'm surprised. You're just kind of shocked, I'm sure. Yeah, I was like, you're just going to say that out here with some guy you just met? He's like, you're from Nebraska, right?

42:50Adam Schafer:Let me just make this joke real quick. Tell us about the fitness journey because this is a big part of your life now. So I know you were working out, but back then you were also partying and stuff. At what point was this? How did that evolve for you with fitness, with cognitive health, mental health, all that stuff? So I think it was all kind of self-taught until at the same point of when I got sober, like I said, that led to asking for help in many areas. And so that was working with personal trainers, getting into boxing, and taking that feedback from a coach. and um and just you know but i keep getting combining it with mental health and there was i have to tell everybody about this study that is um because to me it was such a game changer it's about study on fighting depression yeah okay and it goes through all the different things like whether it's SSRIs or different types of exercise.

44:06I'm going to – Sal can tell you it for you.

44:09Sal Di Stefano:We talk about it all the time. Yeah, we've probably quoted this before. This might surprise you. Look at what's at the top of the list.

44:15Adam Schafer:Yeah, dance. Yeah. Yeah, dance, walking, jogging, cognitive behavioral therapy, yoga. Told you guys I just started dancing. Exercise, SSRI, strength. I mean – The dance is at the top. Yeah. And there's studies that – Here you go, brother. So there's a lot of studies on exercise and depression and anxiety. And there was a recent meta-analysis that showed that. So the previous studies had shown it was as effective, at least, as medication and talk therapy. And I always argue that if you stretched the study out long enough, exercise would do even better because there's no down-regulation receptors.

44:51Adam Schafer:There's no negative side effects. It just keeps getting better and better. well now we have recently we had this meta-analysis that showed it was one and a half times as effective so why do you think that is because one of them you're talking about your problems and tackling them the other one is you're exercising yeah like why do you think it's so it's so effective for that well you probably know more about the the brain chemistry but i just know I want to know your perspective because you experienced depression and, you know, substance abuse and then exercise. I love hearing from people like you.

45:30Adam Schafer:Like, what was your experience through that? I mean, the reason why people attend concerts is for the oxytocin and the bonding and the high that comes from synchronized movement. Like people think that when you go to boot camp that you're marching just to get in shape, but it's actually building a hive mindset. Like, you know, there's been studies of people that from marching day after day that they feel this feeling of love and purpose and the bonding. So that's what a concert provides. So my job is to get everybody to lose their inhibitions and get moving so they feel that high from it. And then so when I exercise, I sync my exercise up to music.

46:31So I have different playlists. Like I'm a tall guy, so I only jog at 150 BPM. when that so i have a whole playlist that's just 150 bpm and i run in time was that edm what are you listening to yeah there's like a whole genre called hard style which is this that that tempo then when i'm on the elliptical or i'm jumping rope it'll be techno which is 130 you know and then um and when even when i'm lifting weights i'm syncing up like one two three four one and just doing things really so really isolate and then but feeling the music too um not always but that that's when i enjoy it the most i'm getting like a dancing high while i'm doing strength

47:17Adam Schafer:training totally that's cool there's there's such a it's such an interesting combination or should i say um association or crossover between music and movement or exercise obviously so uh because we think of dance and we don't think of it as exercise because it's it's dance but uh it's movement um and little kids will do this you'll play music nobody's taught them how to dance they suddenly start to move uh so there's something there and i i don't know of too many people that don't like to work out to music and there's data that shows very clearly that uh especially if you have an emotional connection to certain music it'll improve your performance better than a performance enhancing, you know, stimulant.

48:03Yeah.

48:03Adam Schafer:Um, so there's this really interesting connection, but I think a lot of the benefit from exercise, because I guess it releases feel good chemicals and all that stuff, but I can give you those chemicals and it's not going to do the same thing. So I could find, I could get chemicals like endorphins inject you and it's not going to be as beneficial. I think part of it is you're doing something hard to get it. And then there's the growth process of, well, I suck at this exercise. I get better at it. I got to have discipline. When you get reward for things that are hard, you don't get the down regulation that you would when you get something that feels good and you didn't do anything hard.

48:38Adam Schafer:You just took a pill or snorted something. Yeah. Breaking through those mental barriers is so important. Like yesterday I had a day off and the two ideas that both were a little bit fear inducing was a go down to the mall in santa cruz and busk on the street corner with my friends from water tower that's very unfamiliar to me but i was like that's terrifying let's do it okay and then i was like and then i'm going surfing which the waves were very big yesterday so i was like i'm gonna take i'm gonna i'm gonna hire a surf instructor because i don't want to drown and the waves are 10 feet high and it was so i got long rides 100 yards and paddling back out fighting through the waves was like so exhausting so this morning i'm sore tired and i but i was like i know the best thing for me today to get ready for the concert to get ready for this podcast is to work out so even though i'm in the rv and all i had was a mat and a jump rope, I still manage to get a good start with cardio to get warm and then do strength training just with like squats, pushups.

50:01Adam Schafer:Dude, you swam out here and said, there's sharks out there.

50:06Sal Di Stefano:Before you came today, he was just talking about how scared he is to swim. This was a great one. West Cliff, you'll be all right. A little further south. I've heard that. I don't know if that works. I stay clear, man.

50:16Adam Schafer:You know, it's interesting. There's few things that light up the whole brain, you know, because different activities will light up parts of the brain. But there are certain things that light up the whole brain in a way that integrates them. One of them is music. So music affects the brain in a way to where it helps you learn other things. So it can help you learn math, science. And we know this now because we pulled it out of school and we're like, oops, we made a mistake. Trying to put it back in. Exercise and activity does this as well. It lights up the whole brain. So it's a very natural thing to combine.

50:52Adam Schafer:And so my question to you is, do you think it helped you with your music? Absolutely. Not just the fitness part, but the creativity part. Yeah. I think that getting that, the confidence that you get from exercise will help you make more courageous artistic decisions. and the clarity that you get from it. And I know that if I hit the stage cold, I'm not going to do as good of a show if I get properly warmed up before I get out there. What does that look like? What does a warm-up look like before you get out and do a set? So I like to do brief cardio just to get warm and then do like weights and core about 90 minutes before the show wow so an hour and a half you're working out yeah okay so it's not like a little warm-up you're actually doing a workout yeah no no i didn't mean 90 minute duration i meant oh before like 90 minutes before the show starts got it so i probably work out about 25 30 minutes and then have an hour to like get dressed and warm up the voice and and then the show is like about 100 minutes long so that's a another really good workout but i know the shows go better if i'm getting my my body revving up my engine yeah the whole voice preservation thing i noticed too like your your tone's very low through this and i know that's purposeful because you're going to be singing and out with it a lot uh how how do you manage that like touring so much and staying healthy are you like not yelling at people that Yeah, I don't scream at people.

52:40That was just another one of the things that I learned to ask for help with is to work with a vocal coach that could help me do the warm-ups. So I learned to sing through the break, which is the break is the separation between your speaking range and your falsetto. To be able to go through that and naturally go back and forth between that, which I never knew until I found this one guy who just like saved my voice.

53:08Adam Schafer:You know what's interesting about, well, there's a lot of things that are interesting about music, but I find it fascinating that it's, I said this earlier, it lights up the whole brain. it helps you learn other things it's how you it's the best way to remember things is through music it's really interesting thing that happens in the brain where if i sing something i'll remember um far more than if i if it wasn't attached to a tune then there's this other interesting thing that i noticed in concerts where if you hear me sing on my own i'm not very good you hear adam I'm saying he's terrible. Justin's a lot better.

53:45Adam Schafer:Doug maybe. But if you put 5 ,000 people together and they sing a song together, it kind of sounds good. There's like this harmony that happens. It's almost like we're supposed to all sing together. It cancels out the errors. Is that true? What do you think? Yeah. No, I think that that's part of what I mentioned about tribal dance is singing together. Like humans are so naturally want to do what other people are doing. And we, we find skills that we didn't know we have when we link up with other people. Like just how, how you mentioned that a not so good singer can sing good when it's combined with everybody else.

54:31That's why you hear the soccer chants and stuff that just sound incredible.

54:35Adam Schafer:Isn't that rad? You know? Yeah. It's so cool. uh what what's your favorite song to perform i mean my songs are like my kids i can't pick it come on i have a favorite kid but you can pick you're gonna stay on the podcast but you know uh there there are certain songs that are are extra special and i don't know there's a a song called creatures for the while for a while that um you know was just super fun to play live that just really everybody goes buck wild for um but it always changes take me take me through

55:19Sal Di Stefano:a moment in in time like for example when a song like amber goes like when the moment when you guys are all together as a band and and you watch it take off or you you see it on mtv or you see the sales on it like take me through a day that like was like was there a moment yeah was it take me through one of the most exciting like moments of like we made it or that holy shit like and everybody together that had to be yeah there's a couple um first one was when we all moved out from nebraska and lived in van nuys at little house and then our first record our first single k-rock which was it's still a very important station but it was the king maker at that time in the early 90s and they they played our song and and uh the the disc jockey said can you believe it this band is from nebraska we need to all move to nebraska this music sounds from nebraska we were just were you guys all sitting around together yeah oh really around did you create a scene in nebraska that was like notable yeah yeah we were really yeah that's awesome crazy shows of people going wild with the moshing and the stage diving and everything so it was it was like our very first gig was opening for the band fugazi which is i love Yeah, so it really was like a perfect launching pad.

56:51A lot of bands have to suffer through nobody showing up. We hit the ground running because of that. And then another big moment was when in the mid-'90s they had buzz clips on MTV, and that meant this is the song that everybody's buzzing about. Oh, right. When Down got a buzz clip. Yeah, that took off. It was on every hour. And then you saw the shows get way bigger. And also the audience get a lot younger because MTV viewers. And then you had a lot of people that were like, now there's all these kids at your show. And I'm like, good. We want that. They will be with us for a long time. And I wanted to have people feel about 311 the way I felt about The Clash.

57:41Are you still connecting right now with the youth and getting new people kind of interested in this? Yeah, I mean, Amber and Love Song and Champagne, kind of the softer stuff has really appealed to teens for some reason. Usually it's like the teens like the hard shit, but now it's a little different. You know what's interesting?

58:00Adam Schafer:Because I noticed this with my kids, because I have four kids, and I noticed with my teenager. I think it's because of the internet and YouTube. their breadth uh and scope of music is so vast like i grew up in the 90s and it's like you either like this or you're like that yeah you're in a category and there were some kids that liked you know you know music that spanned decades but it was rare um but now it's like my daughter will be playing music and i'm like that's from the 80s oh my god that's i grew up listening to that and that's new i don't even know what that is so i would imagine you guys are probably seeing that with like kids that are like oh i just discovered you guys like yeah we've been around for a while Well, yeah, and now my daughters are wearing the baggy pants that we wore.

58:42We were just talking about that the other day. The JNCOs or what?

58:47Sal Di Stefano:Super baggy jeans are all back in style again. How many kids do you have? Three daughters.

58:51Adam Schafer:Three daughters? What's that like, being a dad? It's the most rewarding and challenging, but most rewarding gig in the world. You know what I mean? like you get more the feels from taking care of a baby than anything else. How old are they? 11, 14, 16. Are they into music too? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Nice. So you got, hold on a second. You got like two teenagers and one almost teenage daughter. You got three teenage girls. And a wife. It's four on one, bro? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's why you're still doing tours? You got to hang with the homies. I got to go out of the house, dude, and do a tour for a month.

59:35That's your golf. Yeah.

59:37Adam Schafer:Yeah, dude. Yeah. I mean, but they love their dad so much. And it's like, it's so, to come home to that, you know? And so it is tough to leave. Like, it's just a power shift, you know? Because I'm the benevolent sheriff when I'm home. I'm the one that's like, hey, be on time, clean up your room, that kind of stuff. Are you so hard to be cool to your teenage kids? Do they think you're cool? Or is it like when you run into fans, like, oh, I got a little. Are they like, oh, dad? Yeah. They enjoy it. I mean, maybe it's because we're lucky enough that there's such a 90s resurgent that their friends think it's really cool.

1:00:26Oh, that's cool. Your dad? Oh, yeah.

1:00:27Sal Di Stefano:So that fits right in with the style. Yeah. That's really cool. When you, the moments, right, like you were talking about that were huge, that in that moment, like, who do you pick up and call first and why? My dad comes first. Like, he, my first love was his stack of 45s from the 50s that I listened to when I was, like, five years old. And, you know, he taught me so much about rock and roll culture. You know, he was a teenager in the late 50s when the time of Buddy Holly and Elvis and Chuck Berry and everything. So I could identify what the difference between a 56 Chevy and a 57 Chevy and the whole car rock and roll culture kind of things.

1:01:16And he was just so supportive, you know, buying me guitars and driving me around to, you know, we'd go on camping trips and go in the thrifts um the pawn shops and buy guitars and stuff like that so you know but my mom too but like my dad was the rock and roll guy so he's probably the

1:01:37Sal Di Stefano:first so that had been probably one of the cool moments too like maybe the first like big concert to have dad at was i'm sure yeah yeah and we're back in omaha and we'll play i'll be like there's my dad right over there he's 86 and he's walking out with us that's so awesome that's rad what's your first big purchase when you when you started making it right when we got signed i got um a 69 lincoln continental i just needed to have the suicide doors you know put a huge subwoofer that You could hear down the block. Yes. That was, you got it like a very metallic gold paint with lots of sparkle in it.

1:02:20You still have it? No. No. It caught fire. What? it caught fire? What? What? Oil leak, leak in the engine, caught fire. Oh, that sucks. Okay, this thing's done.

1:02:32Adam Schafer:Oh, man. You have a, you have a favorite place you like to play? Cause you've been all over. Is it, yeah. Do you have like a, a place that you like, you love going back to? Is it home? We have great shows in Omaha. But as far as a venue, Red Rocks comes to mind. We've played there like 18 times. And it's just a magical place.

1:02:52Sal Di Stefano:That's Colorado, right? Yeah, yeah. Colorado. I've never actually been to that venue. I hear it's amazing. Yeah, I got to go. You got to tell me about Shaq and how you guys got connected to him and how he sang a song with you and all this stuff during the height of him on the Lakers. Yeah, please tell me he's one of the ones that you really like. I love Shaq. I'm a big Shaquille O 'Neal fan. You were talking about the poster. I'm a big Shaquille O 'Neal fan. I have one of his shoes. Oh, you do? Yeah, you have to share some Shaq stories because I tell these guys all the time about his heart is so big and he doesn't get credit for a lot of things he does.

1:03:32Sal Di Stefano:He doesn't put it out there very much. No, great, great guy. um so we around the time of the um from chaos album we were a good buddy of ours was had a label that shack was doing a rap album on and he was like i want to do one rock song and so he was buddy was like 311 could do that for you so we collaborated on a song called psycho and then um when we were going to do our video for the song um you wouldn't believe we asked if Shaq would come and appear in the video and first of all he was like okay if I do it it has to be secret because we're in the middle of the NBA playoffs right now um and we were going to play some pickup and you can you can see in the in the video he would be in trouble for that for sure yeah and he showed up he he told he said at the end of the day he said if you tell anybody about this i'll sue you so i'm risking suit by telling the story he showed up with two left shoes he he just grabbed two shoes so they don't really show his feet in the video because he was wearing like yeah yeah nobody's got a pair of those size yeah like 22s or something um and uh and the thing was is he was up in his house which i think was like sherman oaks we were shooting the video down in long beach so we were like i think we need to charter a helicopter in order to get him here in time but we couldn't make that happen so he was like no problem i got you and he had this like suv with a big superman sticker on the front and he would just put a siren shut your face yes and he's going through traffic and everyone's moving and and we were like what if you get caught for that he was like i'm a laker yeah yeah hey i'm loyalty here oh my god so he just wow siren down to make it all yeah that's great that's great story yeah that's awesome

1:05:45Adam Schafer:very cool so with with your uh when what does your fitness routine look like when you're not touring is it i'm assuming it's different so like right now i'm just kind of in a maintenance thing where i'll do like what i did today um but i guess like if i'm getting ready for a tour i might do cross-training type F45 classes to me. I like the communal nature of everybody high-fiving and just show up and it's different each time. So I do that. And then I just go through different phases. Sometimes it'll be more about jogging. Where I live in Topanga, there's just nothing but wilderness around there.

1:06:31So there's tons of trails. So I'll do some running. Sometimes I'll go heavier on the weights, and other times I'll just be doing kind of a maintenance thing where I just make sure I hit every muscle and wake it up. What are nutritional habits like for you? You know, I'm just back to full spectrum eating. There was a while when I was keto. There was a while that I tried vegan, but I just had to eat so much when I could not get full as a vegan. And so I'm back to just eating full spectrum, trying to steer away from the bad stuff.

1:07:13Adam Schafer:Favorite bad food? I had a wonderful Five Guys burger yesterday. Oh, yeah. That's good stuff, dude. That's a good bad food. That's not really bad. That makes us weigh in my diet all the time. Well, good deal, man. Yeah, this was a lot of fun. I appreciate you coming on, man. I hope you have a great show tonight. and Felton. Yeah, looking forward to it.

1:07:35Sal Di Stefano:See, Justin, make sure you razz him out there for sure. He'll be moshing everybody. he'll be the idiot that moshing. He'll definitely

1:07:40Adam Schafer:be the idiot that moshing. It's bluegrass. I know, I know, I know. I'll contain myself. He'll mosh anything. I just do it sporadically. No, but I appreciate you coming on, man. So, yeah, I hope you guys have a great show tonight. Yeah, this was fun. We got into a lot of cool stuff I haven't talked about before, so that's awesome. Good, Thank you, man. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Super Bundle at mindpumpmedia.com. The RGB Super Bundle includes MAPS Anabolic, MAPS Performance, and MAPS Aesthetic.

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