2909: 5 Running Styles to Lose Fat (And Which One Is Actually the Best)

21:45Adam Schafer:All of the things that we're saying here, just like any other fitness advice we give, is you got to be able to do the thing safely. You got to be able to have the technique and the skill to do the thing safely. Otherwise, don't do it. Okay? Because injury is a real potential. Yeah. So just kind of change the subject. You guys want to know what I did this morning? At 6 a.m.?

22:08Sal Di Stefano:I worked out. Oh, jiu-jitsu probably. No? No? Eight something.

22:12Adam Schafer:No. Had meal one. I knew you guys would never guess, even though we just came off the topic. I ran.

22:20Sal Di Stefano:No, you didn't. I did. I mean, was it really? Yeah, it was. Like run?

22:24Adam Schafer:Run? Like, you know, like a joke.

22:26Sal Di Stefano:Wait, wait, wait. You are also the guy who walks at 2.5 speed. So this means did you go to four? No, no, no. I ran. Which is still a walk for you. I ran.

22:33Adam Schafer:Did you put the big old new balances on for that? I did, dude. So let me just tell you my experience. The moon shoes. Oh, yeah. I can't wait to hear this. So now the method that I'm using is the distance for time one. So I'm doing a mile. That's it. That's all I'm going to do is a mile. Oh, see, I love this. All I'm going to do is a mile. I'm trying to improve on it. My goal is to improve on the mile, but probably for the next, I don't know, how many weeks, my goal is to get really technique, like get good technique because I just, it is remarkable how much of the skill of running I have completely forgot or lost.

23:07Adam Schafer:It is crazy.

23:08Sal Di Stefano:Remember what I told you? I told you when I first started

23:10Adam Schafer:how much I had to concentrate. It's annoying. I mean, I'm running and I feel like... That's funny. And I feel my knees and everything. Like, what is going on, dude? I shouldn't have... I haven't even got to running. Like, I started going through the series with my son and I'm just working on ground forces and little bounces and little bounds and technique. And I'm like, just that is keeping me occupied. I'm just trying to coordinate my body again. It's crazy. All I did, so I bought, I bought, because I'm like, okay, I'm going to try this out. So let me get the most corrective, supportive, protective thing.

23:46Adam Schafer:Hookah shoes? So I got, yeah, I got like the ones that correct pronation, lots of padding, all that stuff. And so I got those. And this morning, I'm like, okay, I'm going to go. And I kind of roughly know what a mile is, and I kind of tracked it. And so I'm just going to cruise.

24:00Sal Di Stefano:Oh, you did that old school, like outside?

24:02Adam Schafer:Yeah, I went outside.

24:02Sal Di Stefano:Oh, you didn't do it.

24:03Adam Schafer:So part of the value of it is to be more outside, to be out in my neighborhood type of deal. It's nice weather right now, so why not? So I went downstairs, got my shoes on. Were you wearing your cutoff gray sweater? No, I was not, dude. No, I wore just little running shoes and a tight rubber bouncy ball. What are you doing, bro? Stop. Stop. So I cruised, ran the mile. I don't know what my time was, actually. I was trying not to track because I just wanted to, like, get comfortable running. Box some frozen cows afterwards. Yeah. We're going to get to that. Stopped at a beat factory. We're going to get to that.

24:44Adam Schafer:Yeah, yeah. We're going to get to that. Trying to move it forward. But I did it. And I was, again, dude, I was just, the whole time I'm like, wow, this just feels awkward, dude. I forgot how to run. This is wild.

24:57Sal Di Stefano:How long before you had to start walking?

24:59Adam Schafer:I didn't. I did the whole mile. Oh, you did? No, I ran the whole mile. Yeah. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. In fact, I sped up at the end because I was conservative and kind of jogging. Yeah. At the very end, I'm like, I'm going to just kind of push it a little bit, a little bit. But I didn't stop. I think the jujitsu I've been doing the past couple of weeks has already built my stamina. Oh. Enough to be able to kind of do that. Oh, yeah. But, you know, it was - It was that contralateral kind of movement going. Well, so here's the thing, dude. This is what I felt. It wasn't so much the stamina because I could have definitely pushed it harder.

25:27Adam Schafer:It was the technique. And then I could just feel every part of my freaking body, dude. I could feel my knees. I could feel my back and it's all because it's because I don't know how to run I felt like I was hitting the ground with 500 pounds

25:41Sal Di Stefano:you're also 25-30 pounds over your weight that you normally carry yourself I told myself that too

25:47Adam Schafer:I said I'm heavy right now

25:49Sal Di Stefano:it's a big difference for me I noticed a huge difference when I'm 230 versus when I'm 205 205 moves a lot different

25:58Adam Schafer:you know what's crazy about that Adam if you have an extra 20 pounds The force you hit the ground with is far more than 20 pounds.

26:04Sal Di Stefano:Oh, yeah. Forget the multiplier. There's some multiplier.

26:06Adam Schafer:Yeah, there is. I know immediately by how flat-footed I am when I'm running that I'm overweight. And then it starts coming up finally. And I'm like, oh, I'm on my forefoot. And I feel like light. But yeah, it's usually 210 or something like that. I'm like, OK, now I can kind of run. I think my athletic build is going to be around 205, 210. That's what I think. And right now, I'm still 218, maybe 215. So just way too heavy. Have you been holding pretty strong there? Yeah, I dropped. I'm still like 218, 217. Really? Yeah, which is wild. I thought I would drop more by now, but it might take a little longer.

26:40Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, I thought. I mean, again, I think it just highlights that you're not going to lose a lot of muscle. I think you think you're going to lose a lot.

26:46Adam Schafer:I might need to eat less, dude, because I need it to happen.

26:49Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. I already have eaten less a little bit. Why do you think I've been harassing you about that like crazy?

26:53Adam Schafer:Because you just like to harass me. No, dude.

26:55Sal Di Stefano:You like to body shame everyone. So you can't do it to anybody else. I mean, you're doing all the right things with reducing the volume of this and that, but the amount of food you're still eating is not going to lose you weight.

27:06Adam Schafer:You know what I'm afraid of by cutting the food down? You should get shredded, dude. No, that's not what I'm afraid of. I'm afraid of the recovery. Like, I don't want to compromise my recovery from all this new stimulus that I'm doing. Like, I don't try to get hurt. That's the number one thing that I'm trying to do. Now, speaking of what you were saying, Justin, you guys watched the trailer of the - I did. That's why. I was curious. It looks good. What's it called? opinion. I am Rocky. I am Rocky or making Rocky. I think it's I am Rocky. This is a movie about making the movie of Rocky. So him writing the movie and then pitching the movie.

27:43Adam Schafer:I play Rocky. First of all, Justin. God, man. First of all, the story of Sylvester Stallone writing that movie and how he made the movie.

27:54Sal Di Stefano:I actually didn't know all of that. It's crazy. Oh, see, I read up about it. I mean, it is interesting, but I don't know that it's interesting. Yeah, no, it's interesting. Interesting. I mean, is it true or do they exaggerate how much he gave up?

28:07Adam Schafer:No, no, no, no. Dude, he sold his dog. No, no, this is what's crazy.

28:10Sal Di Stefano:And he was offered.

28:11Adam Schafer:He was a struggling actor trying to make his way, wasn't working, watches a fight, okay, on TV. You can watch this. You can pull it up on YouTube. Chuck Wepner versus Muhammad Ali. It's considered one of the worst matchups in history. Like Chuck Wepner should never have been in the ring. It was called his base. There's a whole documentary around it. Yeah, it's called the Bayon Bleeder or something like that. He's known for bleeding. Like that's his nickname. No, the Brooklyn Bleeder. No, the Bayon or something like that. Look him up, Doug. Chuck Wepner. There's a whole, there's a great,

28:41Sal Di Stefano:have you ever seen the movie that they made? Oh, they made a movie on him.

28:45Adam Schafer:No, okay. So this is cool, right? So Muhammad Ali gets in there and it's, it's kind of like a joke fight essentially, but it was a real sanctioned fight. So he gets in there and you're watching the world's best boxer of all time against this other guy. What was his nickname, Doug? Let me see. He's still alive, actually. I thought it was the Brooklyn Bleeder. No, it was the Bayon or something like that. Okay, let me get that nickname. It is something like that, though. Just nickname. There you go. We got to get this nickname. The Bayon Bleeder. Oh, Bayon.

29:14Sal Di Stefano:What did Bayon stand for?

29:15Adam Schafer:I don't know what the hell that stands for.

29:16Sal Di Stefano:Probably the area he was from. Oh, hometown. It's from his hometown.

29:19Adam Schafer:So imagine that's your nickname as a fighter.

29:22Sal Di Stefano:oh no if you guys haven't seen there's a there's a there's a they did a what i always mess up what's the documentary where they put actors in it or what that was like dramatization they did a great

29:31Adam Schafer:dramatization of it it's really good so so here's what happens a cool story so he gets in the ring with ali ali's the greatest boxer of all time this guy chuck wepner who are you they fight i don't remember what round it was but he knocks ali down so everybody's like what yeah is going on he ends up making it to the very very end the 15th round Ali finally TKO's him not because he goes down but because he's just beating this guy to death and finally his corner throws in the towel so everybody in the crowd people were cheering for Wepner because it's like this underdog who's fighting and he's not going down I believe he has

30:09Sal Di Stefano:like a cool story too he's like a garbage man or something like that yeah he's some regular blue collar worker guy yeah he's like a blue collar dude who's just gritty dude it's a cool it's a really you gotta look up I could watch Watch that again. That was a good Rocky one.

30:19Adam Schafer:Sylvester Stallone watches this fight, and he comes up with the inspiration to write Rocky. Yeah. Locks himself up in his apartment for three days. Writes in three days. Writes the whole script, 90-page screenplay for Rocky. He actually put a newspaper on his window, blacked everything out. I'm just going to stay here until I'm done. Writes the whole screenplay, 90 pages, brings it to companies, and he's like, I want you. And they looked at them like, this is a phenomenal script. They liked the premise. They liked the idea. By the way, during this period of time, he had about$100 in his bank account, was going broke, sold his dog in front of a 7-Eleven, which he says in his own words, like, it broke him.

31:01Adam Schafer:It broke him. Oh, it broke him. I think he sold him for like$50 or something like that, or cheap, something cheap. Well, meanwhile, the studio was making him offers for it. So he brings it to these studios. He was tearing it down. They read this, and they're like, this is amazing. Yeah. We would like to take the script. We'll buy it off you. And he's like, you don't understand. I'm going to be Rocky. They're like, we're not going to buy it. So they offer him this much money, that much money. Eventually, you know how much the offers get up to? Back in 1970. I think it was like a quarter million.

31:28Adam Schafer:$360 ,000. That's like two, what is that? Like almost$2 million today?

31:31Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

31:32Adam Schafer:To a guy who's broke? He never even acted before, had he? Or little bits? Yeah, like nothing.

31:39Sal Di Stefano:He did adult films back then. He also did adult films. I wasn't going to say that. Look at this guy. He's trying to not target. Am I going to ruin some mess of stuff? Bro, he was trying to make a transition from adult films to real acting. That's what's going on. And they're like, come on, this guy who can't speak very well, we're going to make him a little bit of a joke. Can I look at your portfolio? Yeah, yeah, yeah. What have you done before?

32:02Adam Schafer:So anyway, so they're offering him all this money, and he's like, no, the only way I'll sell this is if you put me in the movie. And finally, I don't remember who it was. They're like, let's do it. And they're like, but look, if you're behind one day, you're out anything happens you're out they didn't miss a single day they did the whole movie for I don't remember how much it became one of the top obviously he won an Academy Award anyway he gets paid goes back to buy his dog after the movie comes out the owner knew he was kicking like did well he charges him a lot more he ended up buying his dog but I don't remember what the price was like thousands of dollars because the guy totally ripped him off that's a dick but you know what it's so slimy I know slimy but guess you know he buys butt kiss butt kiss is in Rocky 1 and 2 That's the dog?

32:44Adam Schafer:That's his dog. No way. Yes. Oh, that's a cool story. Was it like a St. Bernard? No.

32:49Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, it's a Bull Massive. Oh, Bull Massive.

32:51Adam Schafer:He bought it for$15 ,000 in 1970 whatever. Bro, that's a - What a dirt bag move. Yeah, bro, that's - He sold it for$40.

32:59Sal Di Stefano:Slime. 40 bucks. And he sold it back. What a dick move.

33:02Adam Schafer:Yeah, 1971. It was in 1971.

33:05Sal Di Stefano:I did not know that that dog was his real dog.

33:08Adam Schafer:Yeah, scroll down to the reunion, Doug. What does that say about this reunion? Once Stallone successfully sold his screenplay, his very first priority was getting Dog back. The new owner, realizing how desperate Stallone was to be reunited with his pet, took advantage, demanded 15 grand. Stallone paid the hefty fee without hesitation, later stating that Buck Kiss was worth every penny. Wow. And so Buck Kiss ended up, you know, was in his movies. No way. So how do you feel about the actor that's going to play him? He did a good job. I mean, he sounds like him. It's kind of weird. Looks like him a lot, too.

33:36Adam Schafer:Yeah, yeah.

33:37Sal Di Stefano:No, it looks good. It looked good. I would tell you if it looked good.

33:40Adam Schafer:You know, I tell you what, for the younger people listening who haven't seen Rocky, it is literally one of the greatest movies ever. It is, though. I'll give you that. It's one of them. You guys know it changed culture. It says there's so much conviction. No, no, Rocky changed the culture. So much conviction. Doug, remember. Doug, did Rocky not change? Dude, I drank raw eggs. I mean, yeah, it worked on me. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I played the theme music in band.

34:06Sal Di Stefano:I mean, it's a classic. It's a classic for sure. It's 100 % a classic.

34:09Adam Schafer:It got people to run. Do you guys know that? We were just talking about running earlier. Oh, yeah. Rocky definitely popularized running.

34:16Sal Di Stefano:Oh, how close could it be? We talked about this before. The book on running that was famous. They were right around the same time. Yeah. The combination of those two was probably - Oh, Rocky - How many people punched frozen meat?

34:26Adam Schafer:Nobody. Yes. Everybody did. Nobody punched frozen meat. I've punched frozen meat. I did every time. It's ice. You break your hand? Yeah, you still do it. You still try it.

34:36Sal Di Stefano:Rocky did it. Exactly. Everybody's tried it. What are you talking about? Yeah. What does it say there?

34:41Adam Schafer:Didn't he break his hand doing that while he was shooting? That's what this trailer says. I don't know if that's true. I don't know if that's true. They had to dramatize some of that. Yeah, you got to kind of spice it up. I think, I'm so excited, dude, to watch the remaking. When is it dropping, Sal? In November. Oh, it's actually pretty, okay. Yeah, dude. Oh, wow. You know I'm going to take my kids. I'm taking everybody, dude. It's going to be an event. We're not the whole theater. Let's do that. Yeah, it's going to be great. but yeah i'll watch it i'm making fun because it's like it just feels like it's squeezing that franchise of like one last drop well this is a good one like rocky i mean i'm like you just i

35:16Sal Di Stefano:get really like i was painted i i waited to watch i didn't watch dutton ranch until recently because i was just like gosh they always want to squeeze i hate that yeah it's like the low hang fruit but it's been all right i actually liked it i watched the whole series it was good um it's a bit dramatized. So Rocky

35:32Adam Schafer:1 and 2 were genuinely good movies. 3 and 4, fun to watch but you wouldn't put them in the category of 1 or 2 but fun to watch. After 4 they suck. Wait, 4? 4 is like my favorite. 4 is not like a good cinematic.

35:46Sal Di Stefano:It's funny you say that because 3 and 4 are the best.

35:48Adam Schafer:So 3 and 4 because we grew up as kids watching those. 1 and 4 did it all day. And 3 and 4 is exciting and fun but they're not like you're not going to win an Academy Award in Rocky 3 or 4. But 1 and 2 those are like for originality and all that just for acting and drama and stuff like that you know like rocky 40 fights the russian yeah of course it's one of my favorites but it's the best yeah

36:07Sal Di Stefano:does anyone ever wear in it win an academy for a sequel probably probably part of what helps you win an academy is the originality bro yeah i would imagine yeah for just the concept think of that how many sequels have you seen somebody win an academy award for that's a good question it hasn't

36:26Adam Schafer:happen very often. He's pulling it up right now. Let's see. Godfather 2. Oh, see, Godfather Part 2, arguably better than Part 1.

36:36Sal Di Stefano:I would argue. I mean, look how rare it is, though, right? Yeah. Terminator 2 course. Oh, that was good. Visual effects.

36:43Adam Schafer:Terminator 2 was better than 1. Yeah, it was. It was genuinely that's pretty rare. So, I mean, it's

36:48Sal Di Stefano:happened, but look how rare it is, though, right? It's pretty rare for a sequel to outperform.

36:54Adam Schafer:Rocky II has the best scene of any Rocky movie ever, and that's when Adrian's in the bed in the coma. Oh, God. You always tell us. Oh, it's the best.

37:03Sal Di Stefano:It's the best ever. Yeah, The Matrix is like, oh, that was a steep drop, dude, after the first one. Oh, yeah. It sucks. Such a great movie, and then just, phew.

37:13Adam Schafer:Star Wars had a good, what was it? What came after the first one? Was it Return?

37:17Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, yeah, yeah.

37:18Adam Schafer:So, yeah, that was good, too. Yeah.

37:20Sal Di Stefano:I mean, all those are good. Yeah. I mean, the ones they did later were the ones that weren't good. but the original three were I think amazing but it's rare it's so rare to get but those are all almost like different stories within themselves yeah you're right so that's what makes Godfather there's such a big storyline behind that they're almost

37:38Adam Schafer:Godfather 2 the reason why it was so good is it went all the way back to Sicily and so much of it was his grandfather in Sicily that's the culture over there backstory and they captured it so well like the Sicilian that they speak in the Godfather II is real dialect. It's like real Sicilian. So when they're talking, when they're searching for the boy and they're yelling out and talking, it was, as a kid, I watched them. I'm like, whoa, they're speaking dialect. Because nobody speaks dialect anymore. Nobody speaks Sicilian anymore. Everybody speaks the traditional Italian. Really? Yeah. Why? When Mussolini took over Italy.

38:14Adam Schafer:Isn't there a bunch of different dialects in Italy? Is Italian, Doug, look this up. Is it the Italian that we accept now as Italian? And was it the Roman dialect? So Mussolini takes over Italy, tries to unite it, and makes one of the dialects the official Italian. And so from then on, in all the schools, you spoke this type of Italian. Before that, depending on where you lived, you speak. Florentine. Florentine, sorry, okay.

38:42Sal Di Stefano:How different is the dialect? Is it way different? Bro.

38:47Adam Schafer:Milanesi?

38:48Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

38:48Adam Schafer:So the dialect from Milan versus the dialect from Sicily, they sound like two different languages.

38:53Sal Di Stefano:So would you compare it to something like Spanish and Portuguese? How they're similar or not, but they're very different.

38:59Adam Schafer:No, that's completely different. It's not that far. So you'll have words that come in from Arabic or Spanish, and then you'll have different pronunciations or the way they emphasize certain words.

39:11Sal Di Stefano:So somebody who understands one.

39:12Adam Schafer:So there are total different words in the dialect.

39:14Sal Di Stefano:But a lot of it is like the way you pronounce it. But there's enough that you can understand.

39:19Adam Schafer:that's hard to say. I think, I think if you have someone now that speaks Italian fluently and they heard different lilacs, I bet they would run into a lot of them where they'd be like, I don't even know half of what you're saying. Huh? Yeah. Oh, wow. But yeah, like now, if you go to Sicily, you won't hear Sicilian unless you're like maybe buying like fruit on the market or something, you know, you might hear some of it. Yeah. But you don't speak it.

39:40Sal Di Stefano:Can you like from a far, like, you know, right away, like, Oh, that's just, Oh yeah. Oh yeah. It's like that, that,

39:46Adam Schafer:especially the Sicilian that we, The type of Sicilian we speak, because we're from near Palermo. So it's a type of dialect that's from Palermo that sounds very distinct, which is interesting. Yeah. Yeah. Just old countries, you know?

39:59Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. I mean, we see this even in the States. You listen to someone who talks from New York to somebody who talks from California or someone who talks from Texas or Alabama. Like, they definitely, we all have our own. Even the Midwest, it's funny, because when I was there, it was like, the way that they say certain things is so different, you know? You pick up on it real quick.

40:18Adam Schafer:Aren't there certain words for certain things that are like, I think it's in the Midwest. They don't call soda, soda. They say pop. Yeah. Yeah, pop. I grew up calling it pop. A lot of it's up in Washington. Dutch culture. Really? It's big, yeah. And then like there's tennis shoes or sneakers. And depending on where you live, it's either tennis shoes or sneakers. Yeah. There's stuff like that in the US. But really old countries have more distinct dialects because you didn't travel very far. You know, 500, 600 years ago, it's like, you're not going more than 100 miles away from probably not even 100 miles away from yeah yeah

40:49Sal Di Stefano:yeah i heard you say something to justin and somebody commented i i was doing a video of of meal prepping on sunday and we bought this new salad uh from uh it was taylor farms and a bunch

41:03Adam Schafer:of people dm me no don't eat any un like uncooked produce cyclospore is that the name of the Parasite, Doug? Cyclospora? Cyclospora.

41:12Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, they said there was this huge outbreak. All over the US. So this person made me feel like it was just Taylor Farmsman. So it's just like all lettuce?

41:20Adam Schafer:Yes, and it's everywhere. And cyclosporosis. For sure I have it. What's the symptoms? Explosive diarrhea. Oh, really? Like horribly explosive diarrhea. I mean. And stomach pain. Yeah, without being too descriptive. Yeah, it hits, dude. You don't have it, bro. You'd be sick. I don't know. What? Maybe the mild form of it. So it's probably underreported too. So like some states are reporting more than the federal government's reporting. So it's whatever you think it is probably more than that. Here's the problem. Symptoms begin two to 14 days after exposure. So it could be like two weeks after you ate something.

42:02Adam Schafer:Because they're like these little eggs. So hard to connect. You don't even know how to pinpoint it. There are these little hard eggs, I think, that take a long time to turn into the parasite. That's so creepy. Yeah, dude. And washing something doesn't take it off. No. You have to cook it. I mean, you got to cook stuff to kill it. Oh, my God. I know. I won't be having any of that. You know, the thing about treating yourself for parasites, by the way, because they're much more common than people realize, there's something called a Herxheimer effect. I've talked about this before on the show, where when you're treating yourself for a parasite or bacterial overgrowth, sometimes you feel worse because the die-off releases all these toxins that can overload your body, in particular overload your liver.

42:47Adam Schafer:And so people sometimes will treat themselves for parasites and they're like, what's going on? I thought I'd feel better, but I actually feel much, much worse. A lot of it has to do with the liver getting overloaded. And the liver can get strained from parasites as well. Speaking of which, the dose liver product is phenomenal. So I've been looking at some of the studies that they post on their site on how it lowers liver enzymes. Oh, okay. That's legit. It's really, really good. It will definitely lower your liver enzymes as measured by blood tests by taking just their two-ounce daily shot. I'm trying to remember where mine was at.

43:23Yeah, that's got to be just a good practice in general to do that every now and then.

43:26Sal Di Stefano:I think mine was high, not like real bad high, but a little high.

43:31Adam Schafer:It's not anymore. It was high before because of what you were taking. I normally send it to you. It's because of what you were taking. It was the Kratom. Yeah, because you were taking such, such high doses of Kratom. It was affecting your liver.

43:43Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, it'd be interesting to compare that.

43:45Adam Schafer:I guarantee if you took it now, your liver enzymes would look better. I guarantee it. That'd be interesting.

43:49Sal Di Stefano:I didn't even think about that. Yeah, yeah, of course. That makes sense. Yeah. Because it wasn't like scary high, but it was high. No, but it was, yeah. It was stressed a little bit. I can laugh about that. Shows you how safe Kratom is.

44:04Adam Schafer:Don't do that, kids. Don't do that. Alcohol will crush your liver way faster. Oh, my God.

44:08Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. I still get messages almost weekly. From people who? Yeah. A lot of people. A lot of people.

44:17Adam Schafer:That's so good.

44:17Sal Di Stefano:A lot of people are talking about it now that weren't talking about it before. We have big name people in the space, too, that have reached out to me that you would never guess and that are like hey i heard your interview and man i i feel so stupid i've been wrestling with it like coming out and admitting it it's crazy dude it's uh and it's again i think the same thing with me is it was it's easy to justify because it's this herb yeah no it's an herb you know it's like you over-the-counter herb thing you can get so something's in there oh yeah you know and it and it is kind of mild at first but you know it's you quickly adapt well i'm

44:57Adam Schafer:And there's a lot of issues, a lot of people having challenges with Kratom, but the super concentrated versions are really scary.

45:03Sal Di Stefano:Well, yeah.

45:05Adam Schafer:Now you're dealing with like legit.

45:06Sal Di Stefano:And it's easy. It's crazy that's available. Isn't that crazy? It is, yeah. It's easy. Well, it's bullshit. It's that California banned the Kratom, but they left that part. They left that. Yeah, leave the worst for option. I mean, so yeah. So you take away the people that were just dependent on taking X amount of them a day, and then you give them no option but to go that route, which is, I mean, you're guaranteed you're going to get a bunch of people on that. but i mean could you imagine that's what uh i mean luckily i was aware enough to know that that i that was a slippery slope to head that way but it's real easy to justify it after you get up to the amount of the powder and pills that i was doing a day as you just go like what am i doing i'm taking 50 of these i can just take three of these little ones yep and get the same feeling oh god yeah so you know man holy tolado crazy people have you guys were you guys was it you

45:51Adam Schafer:justin that you said when you were a kid they tested you for the gate programs was that you also yeah did was that you too no no i was

46:02Adam Schafer:he did the other program the defense program we got so did you actually get into gate or yeah i i did i i got into gate but then like um i i didn't last like the whole year so yeah so i got tested for game beat some get up i'm sure i got tired of being around nerds no so gate what did that stand for back then it was gifted and talented education yes is that what it was yeah okay i don't know what the e was but so i got tested for gate as a kid uh and i i purposely uh tested poorly because i remember yeah my mom got all excited about it oh okay this is gonna be great this is so awesome it's for gifted kids or whatever.

46:46Adam Schafer:Right. And I purposely did not want to be in anything that was harder. So I purposely failed it or whatever. But have you heard of the conspiracies? Yes. Around gate? Of course. Yeah. Tell me. Well, yeah. So it's actually they attribute it to a CIA program. What? That they use for like filtering and farming like kids like early to see whether or not they were gifted in uh numbers they were gifted in algorithms like you know certain things that they had certain talents and traits that were useful for like intelligence agencies oh yeah that's one of them there's another theory okay so this is a fast-growing conspiracy theory is that the gate demons are these demons no stop i'm done with that for now for now that the gate program for gifted children from 1979 to 2010 that selected children pulled them out of classrooms gave them a pink fluoride-based drink.

47:42Adam Schafer:Yes. I've heard about this. I don't know if, I don't remember if I took it. I didn't. I don't think I did. I don't know. I'm not sure, dude. Honestly, I'm not even sure. Bro, they gave them a pink fluoride-based drink and they ran tests on them. And the conspiracy claims that the memory - You could be a sleeper spy. That the memory thousands of Americans experience of going to a place called Mall World. So apparently there's this like dream that all these people have who are in gate where they go to a place called Mall World. Shut up. And they're saying that the government was experimenting with being able to implant memories into kids, dude.

48:19Adam Schafer:I haven't heard that. Shut up.

48:21Sal Di Stefano:It's an urban legend and internet phenomenon. It stems from childhood memories of school-based fluoride rinses, and it's frequently tied to online conspiracy theories suggesting these programs. Listen, dude. Listen, I believe every conspiracy theory. I brought it a long time ago. Remember that video game that was up in, like, Oregon or Washington that was like, it basically would do all the suggestive, like flashing images. Yeah, people would get all these psychotic episodes

48:47Adam Schafer:as a result. Oh. Doug, look up a mall world conspiracy theory because this one's crazy to me. Now, thankfully, I have never had a dream of going to mall world because if I had read that and I had a dream of that. Mall world? It's a popular internet phenomenon suggesting that thousands of people share the same reoccurring dream of an infinite maze-like mall complex complete with airports, amusement parks, and hotels. That's so wild. Okay. Have you guys ever had a dream of Mall World? I haven't. No, Mall World. Not that I can remember. I only had the naked one at school.

49:18Sal Di Stefano:That one. You were naked at school? Yeah, yeah. Has everyone had that before? Yeah. I had it. Yeah, I think everybody's had that one before. What does it mean if you're naked and you're flying? Wow.

49:29Adam Schafer:In an airplane or you're flying in here? No, I was like... Floating. I was like running off of the wharf and there was this updraft from the end of the wharf. And you're naked? I was naked. I don't know why I was naked. I have no idea. And I'm like, oh, I'm going to jump into the water. And it floated me up and then I started flying. And then I woke up. Wow. That's weird. It was fun. I'm still. Definitely means he's gay. I still. For sure. Doug, look up. I thought that at first. I was like, no. He thought that at first. It doesn't work for me at all. He's like, damn it. Damn it. That's my end.

50:03Adam Schafer:Is that why? We were pressing this. I told my therapist. Dude. Stop. Stop, dude. So they didn't test you for gate, huh? Yeah. You're such a dick.

50:17Sal Di Stefano:Doug, look up.

50:18Adam Schafer:What's the opposite of the gate program? So I remember you guys were getting MKUltrad. Hold on. I want Doug, look up. Google, what's the opposite of the gate program? Oh, bro. Special ed, dude. It's the fudge pop program. Remember that? welcome to paste eaters

50:37Sal Di Stefano:window liquor oh that's so messed up that sucks so fourth grade was when I remember remedial

50:46Adam Schafer:remedial special education why does that sound so dirty I know that's messed up dude

50:50Sal Di Stefano:I do remember the gate program but I don't remember any of us testing for it like I just knew of it I just can't remember in fourth grade was the only time I remember hearing about it, but I don't remember if we took a test or not. I was good at math, though, at a young age. I was really good at math. My son's got that, too. It was really cool. I just found that out literally the other day. They just started, which is so crazy. He's not even in first grade. He's in kindergarten, going into first. They're already doing timed math. Wow. And they had the time right on the top of his thing and how fast he can answer.

51:28Sal Di Stefano:That's awesome. And I was I was like, oh my God, I can't believe you're doing this all right. It's not crazy math, but still it's math. You know, it's like, I remember doing this like in fourth grade and he's going into first grade and he's doing it. And he got like a minute 45 on this. And I'm like, hey, buddy, I said, are you good at this? Can you do it without seeing the paper? And he's like, what do you mean? I was like, can I just ask you right now? Can we see if we can beat this time? He's like, okay, sure. And we did it and he did it in half the time. I'm like, okay. Yeah, he's a number wizard.

52:00Yeah, he's going to be good.

52:02Sal Di Stefano:Well, remember I told you guys that stupid cartoon that he fell in love with really young. He was like three.

52:09Adam Schafer:Hey, I told Adam about this cartoon to show his son. Tell him what he said. So funny. There's this show my kids love. Yeah, what's it called again? Wild Kratz. Yeah, yeah. Kratz is the last name of the two guys that are like, they teach you about animals and stuff. My kids love it. My son's like giving me all these facts. Oh, it sounds like something Max will be into. So I tell Adam, tell your son. Tell him what he said to you.

52:28Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, so we were actually watching something else, and I'm like, oh, you know what? Uncle Sal was telling me there's a show you would like, and he's like, oh, yeah, what is it? And I'm like, well, let me see, and I text Sal, and then he tells me, and I'm like, wow, Kratz, and he didn't recognize it, and he didn't recognize the name, and so I'm like searching it up on Prime, and then it pulls up, and he's like, oh, yeah, I know what that is. No, I don't want to watch that. And I'm like, well, come on, let's watch it. Don't you like it? He's like, Daddy, I used to watch it when I was a little kid.

52:57okay dude it was like okay bro what six months ago back in the day like so long ago i don't watch

53:04Sal Di Stefano:that yeah i used to watch that when i was little you know i'm saying okay

53:12Adam Schafer:i got us i got a study for you guys uh that was sent to me for you oh cool all right you know this hopefully you can follow up so our partners from joy mode right by the way they named their product hard plus now it's the new name for their product which it makes sense wait wait so you're hard and then plus it's hard plus so this is okay so what they have interesting pivot i know interesting so they have they have a product that is it's all natural and it's designed to improve blood flow specifically for sexual performance however taking it daily is good for vascular health as well so it's good for vascular health it's good for workout performance and then yes it will help when it comes to sexual performance, especially for men with things like erections.

53:57Adam Schafer:Anyway, they sent me some cool studies on some of the compounds that are in there. Citrulline, which is in there, by the way, there was a study on citrulline and erectile dysfunction. They took a group of men who suffered from mild forms of erectile dysfunction. Half of them had normal erectile dysfunction just from citrulline. Half, just from citrulline alone. Now, Hard Plus has that. They should change the name. Hard Plus Plus also has arginine nitrate in there, which is really, really good.

54:28Sal Di Stefano:Because it says Joy Mode Hard Plus. Is it still Joy Mode? Joy Mode is the company. And Hard Plus is the product. Because they have other products. That's right. Now, what was the product called before it was called Hard Plus? It was just Joy Mode. Joy Mode, yeah. Yeah, add a sub name, I think, like Sexual Performance Booster. So maybe they're just setting it up for having a product. They do. They have other stuff.

54:52Adam Schafer:They have testosterone, stuff for testosterone support. They have something else in there that we should check.

54:57Sal Di Stefano:Is everything mostly based around sexual health with them?

55:01Adam Schafer:You know, good question. Doug, why don't you click on Joy Mode? It says Joy Mode, sexual wellness. Improving testosterone and blood flow. Yeah, so that's the hard part. But the compounds in there, the organite nitrate, by the way, you guys, really boost nitric oxide a lot. Now, we've all taken – I love their stuff pre-workout. That's how I use it, pre-workout. but the clinical trials of this stuff is legit. And it's a cool all-natural way. Beast mode bundle. Yeah, so they have one for testosterone. They have a prostate support supplement. What's Ignite? It's a libido booster. Oh, click on that.

55:38Adam Schafer:Okay, yeah, what's going to be different

55:39Sal Di Stefano:than the libido booster that's different?

55:41Adam Schafer:One improves your ability to get erection. The other one makes you horny. So libido booster literally gives you more of a libido.

55:48Sal Di Stefano:Oh, what's probably in the Ignite then?

55:50Adam Schafer:yeah I want to read what the compounds are look that up we haven't seen on the bottom Doug right underneath it's not going oh here we go oh here we go yeah so they got saffron oh horny goat wheat saffron shilajit and mucona purine oh yeah that's dopamine one of them boosts dopamine one of them does has been shown to raise libido the other one has not been shown to raise testosterone that's legit they do a good job yeah that's a legit supplement yeah yeah we should have Doug test it quality stuff Oh, yeah. I'm all for it. Remember Doug's birthday? Remember when we had his birthday? Okay, okay. You got to keep bringing it up.

56:29Adam Schafer:Bring it up. From what we heard. Everybody say something nice about Doug. Love you, love Doug. He's a good lover. He's a good lover. Really good. Everybody's like, oh, my God. I was like, whoa. Thank God there were no kids there. What's your story, Justin? I don't hear you. Yeah, so it was funny. Last night, we were all hanging out in the living room. uh Courtney and myself and Ethan and um we have the dogs and we're just watching tv and um Courtney gets up get a drink and I'm walking back and we have all the windows up it's super hot out and um so she's kind of walking by and then like immediately gets so scared and jumps and like so what scared her like in the window one of the cats was right there and it it like meow but it sounded like an old witch oh it was like it's like meow low oh it literally sounded like it said like hello but meow low and it scared the shit it was so funny she jumped and then we

57:31Sal Di Stefano:anyways we were making fun of her after that yeah are you good about when it gets on a hot day like that will you guys are you the uh old man who will you know turn off his ac open up the windows breathe let the house breathe type of deal yeah i'm i'm i go back and forth with that depends on the degree of the heat. If it's really hot, I'm closing it up. It's been too muggy. I don't care. I'm turning the AC on. Actually, Courtney fights me on that. She's more of the old man. She wants to open up an air and out. Katrina's not because Katrina is paranoid somebody's going to climb in our window and steal our child all the time.

58:09Sal Di Stefano:One of the things that we are always going back and forth with. It's like, she also like, the minute I walk out the door, she locks the door. So heaven forbid I'm carrying shit and I forgot something or anything like that because you can guarantee before I even get to my car, the door's bolted behind me already. Wow. She's like, middle of the day, it doesn't matter. Did she ever get a break-in or something? No. She just, and I know it stems, because her mom is like that with locking everything up. And so they've just been, and I'm, why it's funny is because I'm the other way. I'm the way extreme.

58:41Sal Di Stefano:I grew up in a country where you leave your keys in the ignition.

58:44Adam Schafer:I know, we always have doors unlocked. I literally grew up, most of

58:47Sal Di Stefano:my life, you just leave your car keys in your ignition. Nobody's going to come out to your house. We live in a safe neighborhood. You live out in the middle of nowhere, you know what I'm saying? And so we didn't lock doors, we didn't close windows, we didn't take the keys to the ignition. So you have that, I'm that extreme, and then she's like, the minute I walk in or out of a door, and there's nothing like, or I'll be like, in the backyard, using the blow in the backyard or what like that, and then I go around the front to put my blower in my garage. Then I go to go in the front door, and the front door is locked.

59:16And I'm just like, I'm here.

59:19Sal Di Stefano:Nobody is going to come get you while I am on the premises. I promise you. We have cameras everywhere with sensors and everything. I'm just like, and it's the middle of the day. It's so wild, dude.

59:29Adam Schafer:Have you ever had a break-in?

59:31Sal Di Stefano:You did, right? You had your car stolen. I've had my car stolen twice, but I haven't had.

59:35Adam Schafer:What are the odds having your car stolen twice? Yeah, just cars. Yeah, I've had cars broken into. You have two? Stolen or broken into? Broken into.

59:40Sal Di Stefano:too i mean i smash windows i mean i have i think two major reasons why both of them i mean my first car got stolen because i was a young dumb kid who you know this was my car that i had big old subwoofers in and when i was 20 you know i'd roll it in the neighborhood with the windows down and i mean and it's red and bright and has stickers all over it of all the expensive parts i have on So it was basically said, come steal me. So shame on me, right? So I totally was that guy. And so eventually somebody came in and stole it and stole all my parts on it. So that was like a lesson of grow up, you know what I'm saying?

1:00:20Sal Di Stefano:So that was that one. The truck, the lesson on that one was advertising a yard sale. So we advertised a yard sale in the newspaper and everything like that to bring as many people as we could to that and attracted people from all the way from Sacramento, all over the place, come here. And I had my big old lifted truck with nice tires and wheels. Someone just cased it. Just cased it. And very next weekend, they were, and I had a camera and everything. So you watched it happen, you know? Watched them break in and drive off. And, you know, cops don't do nothing about that. I had a break in once.

1:00:55Adam Schafer:And you guys know that story. That traumatized me. Not necessarily a bad way, but more like a hyper-vigilant, like I'm going to. Yeah, you had like a ninja sword. Bro, I bought all kinds of weapons. I bought ridiculous weapons. So are you really like lock up like crazy? Now I'm kind of healthy about it. So we lock up at night, during the day. It's not a big deal. Will you sleep with the window open? Yeah. Yeah, I'll sleep with the window open.

1:01:17Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, see, I would too. But we're upstairs too. I mean, my son's room is up two flights. Oh, and she doesn't want that window open. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. So I try and logic my way through this. It doesn't work. It's like, you do know someone would have to have some special ladder that they can extend over and beyond my car. Over and beyond my car are floodlights that would turn on and my cameras that would alert me. They would get past that. So let's pretend we have that. And then when they actually climbed through the window, our sensors of our alarm would go off. You know that, right?

1:01:51Adam Schafer:I had friends in France years ago. They were on the third story. They slept with the windows open of their hotel room. Somehow, somebody threw the balcony. In the middle of the night, one of them woke up. There was a random guy, stranger, going through their purses. Wow. She wakes up, screams. He grabs their cameras and goes out the balcony. Dude. And stole their freaking, yeah. So I don't know how that happened. I don't know if you went from one balcony to another. At a hotel? At a hotel. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. That's not good.

1:02:23Sal Di Stefano:I know. Yeah, yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, yeah. That is crazy. The only hotel stories like that I've heard are when guys bring back like prostitutes that end up taking all their stuff. Oh, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Wait till they get in the shower, take the Rolex, their wallet, all their stuff. You ain't reporting that. I've heard that story a few times. You can't tell anybody that story, dude. I've heard that story a few times.

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1:03:24Adam Schafer:When I use C15 regularly, I get way less inflammation. It's a healthy fatty acid, and it seems, based on the studies, to have more cellular benefits than omega-3s even. So it's a great supplement to take. Go check it out. Go to fatty15.com. That's fatty15.com slash mindpump. And on that link, if you use the code mindpump, you'll get yourself a discount. back to the show our first caller is callie from texas hi callie how you doing callie hi how's it going good good who's the cutie yes this is anastasia the reason i'm here today so oh awesome well how come help you Yeah, so thank you guys for, I don't know if I've just been listening closer because it's things that apply to me currently, but y 'all have been talking a lot more about postpartum stuff.

1:04:16So it's been super exciting to hear. I've been a listener for a long time before I was postpartum. So I appreciate you guys kind of stepping into that space. So, um, six months postpartum, I've, uh, I'm 32 years old. I, uh, back to my pre, uh, birth weight, which wasn't even necessarily a goal at this point in time. Um, but I've been having a lot of hip flexor tightness or, um, and like my range of motion has been really limited. And so I had nothing crazy with birth, had a really normal birth, praise the Lord, and no pelvic floor issues afterwards. I did do pelvic floor therapy for about three sessions between six and 12 weeks postpartum.

1:05:05And they tried to address the tightness that I was having, but she didn't really get very far with it. um so most of it's kind of just resolved i guess through i don't know if it's through stretching or just doing just you know regular day stuff um have a pretty noticeable anterior pelvic tilt i notice it basically all the time like when i'm walking around um carrying the baby doing all the normal day things um and i'm having a hard time i think because of that i'm having a really hard time getting my glutes activated and, uh, just trying to figure out how to get kind of back on track with that.

1:05:50Um, I feel like my glutes have deflated since, um, I had a baby. And so, um, just trying to get kind of not necessarily back to where I was, but at least back to, uh, mechanically functioning well so that whenever it is time for me to start lifting heavy again that I don't, I don't make myself prone to injury or have any other issues from there. Yeah.

1:06:14Adam Schafer:Good, good question. And you're six months, six months, right? Postpartum. Yes. Okay. So we have to be, um, we can't understate this. And I, and I think, uh, we often do, uh, partially because some of us, uh, bounce back or seem to bounce back quickly. And then we see people who bounce back quickly. Um, and we feel like, Oh, things should move a little quicker, but we just need to really respect what your body went through, uh, through the pregnancy process and the birth process. And so a lot of muscle recruitment patterns changed. They had to change and to get them to go back, uh, to feel the way that they did before can take a while.

1:06:54Adam Schafer:Okay. Now you're six months postpartum. Your, your fitness is probably great. You're able to work out. You feel pretty good, but you're like, you know, my body doesn't feel exactly like it used to. I got a little bit of pain here. This feels a little different. Like what's going on. It takes time. So there's a couple of things that you want to really focus on. Uh, I would continue to do the pelvic floor, uh, exercises and movements. I would strengthen the TVA. So vacuum, uh, kind of exercises. Do you, are you familiar with like vacuum pose and vacuum exercises? Okay. So you're on your hands and knees.

1:07:27Adam Schafer:Um, you let your belly hang and then you draw in your midsection, like you're trying to suck in your stomach. You draw it in as tight as you can, like you're trying to make your waist as small as possible. You hold that with a really, really hard draw in for 10 seconds, relax, let your belly hang, take a few deep breaths and repeat that. So that's strengthening a muscle that is called the TVA transverse abdominus. And what that muscle does is it wraps around the midsection and it acts like a weight belt. So it's not the abs, it's not the obliques it's a different muscle underneath and that muscle has to stretch and atrophy during pregnancy and post-pregnancy you can do crunches and oblique exercises you can do all these core exercises but that TVA activation oftentimes is very stubborn to kind of go back to where it was and that helps with that stability because I believe your hip flexor issues coming from instability in your core maybe possibly your hips from just muscle recruitment pattern issues.

1:08:27Adam Schafer:And so I would work on that. I would do the pelvic floor exercises. And if everything feels okay, unilateral exercises for the lower body are a great place to go for now. So like a program like MAP Symmetry.

1:08:40Sal Di Stefano:I mean, I like her on starter first, though. Just because of the lack of glute activation going on right now, she's going to - Starter would be great, too. And you're going to be activating the TVA and all the balls. It's already in there. Yeah, it's all in there. So I would do starter first, then go to symmetry. And everything Sal's saying too, when the core, the TVA is weak like that, it's going to exacerbate the anterior pelvic tilt too. So map starter would be first, then symmetry, and then I think you'll be feeling really good after that.

1:09:06Adam Schafer:And just to consider this, the most fit, most consistent female clients I've had, it typically takes between one to two years postpartum to really feel like your old self. Yeah. I listened to an episode about that and I, it came at the perfect time. Like I really needed to hear it. Yeah. Because, because you know, you get back into shape, you feel good. Your body weight's the same, but there's like, and you know what I'm talking about? You're like, Oh God, why do I hurt doing this? And why do I feel kind of like not takes about a year or two. So just give yourself some time, but you're killing, you're doing a great job.

1:09:41Adam Schafer:Yeah. Yeah. The one thing that I noticed too, is like, I, so I went back to work and I was working way too much. And so I didn't have time to step into weight room, like period until about a couple of weeks ago. And I, even though I've scaled like seriously all the way back, like my warmup squat weight used to be around 135 and I'm warming up like just with air squats and like the bar. I think yesterday I put on like 10 pounds on each side and I'm, I was so sore afterwards. and like I'm obviously probably because I haven't done it in a long time but is that very common postpartum too like just oh yeah oh yeah that's been so hard to that's expected yeah no no that's expected no no now that you told me you just started two weeks ago I definitely do map starter yeah start starter than symmetry yeah Callie map starter is going to feel super easy yeah don't don't doubt it follow starter yeah don't do anything else follow starter you'll bounce back much faster if you do it the right way than symmetry yep and that that's like um because one of the things that i guess in my mind is like you know neurons that fire together they're wired together so i'm with the baby and like carrying the baby in a publicly tilted position often you know anytime pick her up and trying to do something is there are there any tips or tricks to kind of

1:11:06Sal Di Stefano:one of the one of the things when you when you start practicing the drawn maneuver that sal's saying you can do that like right now i can talk to you and i'm drawing in right now so when you become mindful of that and that and you get good at practicing that you should practice that when you're walking around with a baby think about it think about draw drawing that core in while you're doing it and and practice and the more frequent you do that the better support you're gonna i mean

1:11:30Adam Schafer:honestly the best advice i could give you because here's what you could also overthink it while you're with your kid and it'll make things feel very anxious and honestly the best advice i could give you is very simple try to alternate which hip you hold your baby on that's the really the issue when we start to see is when women will hold their kid always on their left side always always always we're always on the right side then you start to see some like overuse type of stuff so just you know okay gotta hold her under my left now you know type of deal okay yep you're gonna be

1:12:00Sal Di Stefano:good though yeah you i see your your breastfeeding still through and working too right now um so i i I am still breastfeeding and then I just went part time. So I actually, I work from home now. Um, my goal is about 20 hours a week. I'm a, I'm a therapist. And so I actually recommend y 'all y 'all's podcast. A lot of my clients. Oh yeah. No, because our, our, uh, professions overlap more. Oh yeah. Yeah. So I actually have a lot more time to dedicate to this stuff now, which is great. Awesome. No, no, that's excellent.

1:12:36Adam Schafer:MapStars is perfect for you.

1:12:38Sal Di Stefano:Follow it all the way through, though. I had to keep telling you. It'll feel easy. When Katrina was there, she was constantly, I want more. I can do more. I know I can do more. I'm like, you're fine. You're doing good. Follow it all the way through. That is how I feel on it. You'll be good, though.

1:12:52Adam Schafer:Yeah, you'll get there faster than you think. Yep. All right. Thank you. All right, Callie. Thank you. Oh, I love it when people have their babies. Yeah, yeah. When I used to have my studio, that was like my favorite, because I owned it. So, and I'd have clients that have kids. I'm like, bring your baby. I'd change diapers between sets and feet. It was like my favorite thing to do. You know, you really, we really have to respect the postpartum period and the fitness space does a terrible job. It communicates it as if it's like, yeah, three months later, six months later, you're, and then you have women posting pictures of themselves saying, I feel exactly like I did.

1:13:31Adam Schafer:I'm totally fine. Maybe they're telling the truth, but I think a lot of them are lying. uh but for most women it takes a while well even if they're telling the truth it's it's a genetic

1:13:39Sal Di Stefano:anomaly it's like comparing myself to phil heath yeah it's like you have i mean there's of course there's people out there that build muscle and can look like that and so like that and of course there's some women out there that they do baby's out they're right back to squat and heavy weight doing their thing but it's like that's a that's an anomaly it's not it's not the common rule um most like you said take a year or two before and when you say that i know that scares people because they think, oh my God, two years before. No, it's like you can make progress that whole way. Yeah, you do.

1:14:04Adam Schafer:It's just you don't feel like, oh, I feel like my old self 100%.

1:14:07Sal Di Stefano:Yes, yes. Our next caller is Nicky from Ontario. There he is. Hey, what's up, Nicky? Hey, welcome back, buddy. What's up, guys? How you doing, man? I'm good. I'm good. How are you?

1:14:17Adam Schafer:Good, bro. All right, give us an update, man. I've already met with you a couple times because we gave you coaching, right? You're working with Robbie. Yeah. So tell us what's going on. Okay, so I'm going to start with that, okay? So I've been given a lot of things in my life, and this was the best thing I've ever been given, hands down. So I can't express from the top of my heart what that meant to me. So giving me Rob was just amazing. Like, nothing hit me more than actually being an inpatient for my anorexia. So, like, in terms of recovery and outcome, I think it was spot on. and so I'll just keep I'll just I have a short little thing I should have reached out sooner I'm sorry I should have reached out more to Rob though I'm a little guilty about that because it took me a little bit to start adapting to what he was saying I was being a little hesitant and resistant and like I just let it I was upset that I was letting the tendencies come back into my life and this I thought I was done with it but I didn't realize that it's just a lifelong process and like the and the hardest part but rob rob knew was just that no one around me understands what it's like it's not just like like when you're italian especially it's just like just eat it and shut up type of thing you know and so like and being in an atmosphere where no one understands what a like trigger is or something and how to deal with it is like i was i was just glad to have Rob there to kind of reinforce me about like eat more and it's okay and and like and I also had you guys I always kept you guys in my ear while I was working and I it's just been amazing to go through this whole process again in terms of recovery and he acted like my psychologist when I was like even though he may not have known I used him like that like we barely did a lot we did do training but i mean i used him more as a as a like someone to talk to type of thing because there's no one around that understands so but now that i've started adapting to what he's saying i'm hands down like whoever's listening to this you guys got it on the ball like it's just it works so once you start like i know i'm not eating enough yet i'm still triggered by certain things and carbs, but I'm getting more into me.

1:16:50Within the second week, I was already feeling better. My libido skyrocketed. Everything was just improving. Now, the only thing is my sleep wasn't as great, but I'm still working on that. Everything else, top of the charts. I just... I don't know. I don't know what to say.

1:17:15Adam Schafer:Nicky I'm proud of you good job dude I'm proud of you Nicky doing great it's a big step man yeah I really enjoy meeting with you um and I love hearing about the updates from Rob I think you're doing a phenomenal job it's hard it's hard bro what you're doing is really hard it's it's hard like it's hard because you know like we're we're going through hell trying to have a second child and like i i'm i don't want to say that it's my fault because of what i've done to myself but it is my fault because of what i've done to myself and i've allowed it to creep back and i need to get out of it and i'm like and because we're paying for all this stuff it was kind of like we're paying and paying and paying it was all in vain because i wasn't doing the things that i needed to do at the end of the day you could have gave me all the medication but nothing was nothing was turning it around like look just eating more man like holy cow like I mean it's not even just it's not even the training like obviously the training helped and him coaching me and doing that like maps Nicky it was it was amazing like that doing that it's just and like so thank you you're doing good Nick but I'm gonna you mind if I add a little bit to this yeah sure i want you to be very careful with the shame uh for maybe mistakes you might have made in the past because what that leads to is you feeling like you need to keep punishing yourself so so guilt is i did something that was wrong shame says i am wrong or i am bad and so if you keep looking back if you don't forgive yourself if you don't genuinely forgive yourself uh what you're gonna do is you're gonna keep beating yourself up because you're going to feel like you deserve to be beat up.

1:19:06Adam Schafer:So you'll never get out of the cycle. Okay. Yeah. So you got to really forgive yourself. And so just, this is just an exercise you could try Nikki on your own is you can picture yourself as a little boy and you can talk to yourself like you're a father and, and talk to yourself about what happened and then forgive yourself. And I got to tell you, you're doing a great job, dude. Yeah. A couple of things. If you don't mind me sharing, can I share a couple of things? Yeah, sure. I know you've done a phenomenal job without weighing yourself. Right? I haven't. Yeah. That's excellent. You're trusting the process.

1:19:43Adam Schafer:I'm sure you get the temptation here and there to be like, oh my God, am I gaining weight? What's going on? You haven't done that. We've consistently be able to slowly add more food to your diet. And the result of which has been way more energy and your libido's coming back. Yeah. This has only been 90 days. The Nikki right now, the Nikki we're talking to right now is not the same Nikki that I talked to when we first had you on here. So you're already a different guy. You know what it's going to be like in 90 days from now?

1:20:19Sal Di Stefano:Even better, bro.

1:20:21Adam Schafer:A different guy again. Yeah, you're doing good, dude. I know. I know. Thank you. No, you're doing good. the important thing is that you stay consistent and here's the thing if you mess up you got to forgive yourself and then get back on you got to forgive yourself and get back on here's the other important thing you can't keep this in the dark so when certain things start to creep up again you got to share it with people that you trust because they flourish and like mold it just grows in the dark you got to put sunlight on you have anybody you have anybody in your life that you could trust, that you could talk to like that?

1:21:02That's the problem. My wife's going through this whole thing with the fertility and our house got flooded, so we're dealing with that. And there's no one else really.

1:21:10Sal Di Stefano:You got Robbie for? Okay. Use Rob for that.

1:21:16Adam Schafer:Use Rob, your wife, you trust your wife. Keep it out in the open, dude.

1:21:20Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

1:21:21Adam Schafer:Tell me all the positive things that have happened over the last 90 days. Okay, so I wish I could eat more. but I'm slowly trying. No, no, no. I'm going to pause you. Guys at work. Nikki, I'm going to pause you. Give me the positive things. I don't want to hear the I should have done that. Give me the positive things you did that's happened the last 90 days. My libido is up. Good. My lifts are crazy up. Awesome.

1:21:52Guys at work are saying that I'm not like Mr. Mopey anymore. I'm not Mr. Angry.

1:21:56Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. All right. Yeah. uh moods up strength's up libido's up the thing is mood is up like that's the biggest thing like you know that's the biggest marker of like it's just it's a good feeling to not be so like angry at the world type of thing and that's yeah yeah dude like if i could give myself that that is enough you know i mean like good and you said you're eating more yeah good i don't think i'm where I should be, but yeah.

1:22:29Adam Schafer:No, no, no. Stop it. You're never going to be where you think you should be. Hey, listen, I don't think I'm where I should be right now either. That's forever. Yeah. That's forever, dude. It's a journey. Never ending. All right, dude, you're killing it.

1:22:45Sal Di Stefano:Thank you. You're killing it, dude. Yes. Keep it up, brother.

1:22:49Adam Schafer:Pump yourself up. Yeah. How much longer do you have with Rob? Are we, are we almost done with him? Yeah, we're done. Okay. I got you on a call. I think I'm meeting up with you again later today, aren't I? I think so. I thought, I wasn't sure if it was the same, this counted as the same call or it was a separate call, but No, we'll get more personal in the private call than we are here with the public one. So I'll meet with you again. Don't threaten me with a good time.

1:23:15Adam Schafer:Good stuff, Nicky. I'm proud of you, dude. You're doing good. Doing good, brother. Yeah, you're doing you want to get back on to 60 days? Let's keep you back on here yeah i wish all right i'll see you again dude good accountability hey you look you look

1:23:30Sal Di Stefano:healthy you look healthy bro you do you do you look right you look better and you sound better look at your face yeah you look better and you sound better bro you got the you got the evening

1:23:40Adam Schafer:hey listen your libido's up and you're more handsome this has got to be a good news for It's her wife. Oh. She's got to appreciate that. I'm going to tell her that. Good. All right, brother. All right, we'll see you again. We'll see you again. I'll see you again here, and I'll see you later today, all right? Take it easy, Nicky. All right. Take care, guys. Bye. Take it easy. He's had huge success, dude. I know. Because I've met with him a few times.

1:24:02Sal Di Stefano:Well, you see, he even has a hard time pointing it out. You can hear it in his voice, how much it's impacted him and changed him, but he has a hard time communicating it. Mood is way better. Libido is way better. energy is better, strength is up in the gym. His peers and people he works around feel it, notice it. But he hasn't practiced saying those things in community. It's because shame is a killer, bro.

1:24:27Adam Schafer:It's a killer because you can be guilty. There's nothing wrong with saying I did something wrong. But when you feel like I deserve to beat the crap out of myself for the rest of my life. Yeah, it's a cloud. That is going to kill you. And the only way to move forward, there's nothing wrong with saying I did something wrong. that's okay because some people think the opposite like i didn't do anything right no no if you did something wrong you did something wrong but you look at it you forgive yourself and i'm going to move forward uh otherwise it's uh you know i deserve to be a i'm a piece of crap i deserve to feel like a piece of crap and uh that's going to just ironically results in the same behaviors that you did before our next caller is jeremy hey jeremy what's going on how you doing man Hey, good morning, team.

1:25:10Good morning, team. Hey, I really appreciate you all taking the time to take my call today. I'll go ahead and jump into the question, and then we'll just engage back and forth. So I am 51 years old. I serve in the military. I work as a chaplain as well as a licensed mental health therapist. But excitingly, next spring, I get to retire after 31 years. I get to be a civilian finally. About nine months ago, I decided that I wanted to see what I'm truly capable of physically as it relates to just trying to be in shape. As I'm leaving the military, I'm leaving my culture that has held me responsible and accountable, and now it falls back to me.

1:25:43So I've set up some pretty significant goals here. One is I want to attempt to compete in a men's master's physique competition in the late summer of 2027. I'm not doing it to get a card in any way, shape, or form, but it is just to compete. I would love if it is that this works out, maybe by 55 that I can become competitive in that division. And I'm just trying to see what it is that I can do in my 50s. But very specifically, though, I'm trying to become Alpha Grandpa. You know, as I retire and transition, as we get older, I want to try to stay, you know, fit and in shape and strong and mobile so I can engage with my grandkiddos.

1:26:22Stomp, stomp. I don't have any yet, but hopefully in the near future. So since I've established this goal, I have reduced my body fat from approximately 26 % down to 21.3%. but I've maintained about the same body weight. So I've basically been in a kind of a recomp over the last nine months. I'm 5 '10". My waist has moved from 43 inches down to 39 inches. Of course, all of this is based off of I only have access to a bod pod. So I utilize that once a month, at least as a metric to see where it is that I have been and I continue to use it. Of course, in the military, we get height and weight, waist measurement circumference.

1:26:57I have gained about 10 pounds over that nine months as the lean mass and fat ratio has begun to balance out. But I do know that as I anticipate stepping on stage, I'm going to need to cut probably 35 pounds. So I'm very aware that we always have to lose more fat than what it is we anticipate. Objectively, I know that I've made incredible progress over the last nine months. But subjectively, though, I feel like I'm in this awkward middle ground. I don't feel as if that I'm lean yet, per se. but at the same time, I don't feel like I've yet built enough muscle to kind of justify any dedicated growth phase.

1:27:30Nutrition-wise, I am consuming about 2 ,800 calories a day. The breakdown is 230 grams of protein, 300 carbs, and then 70 grams of fat. I do average about 10 ,000 steps every day. I do perform some steady-state cardio a couple times out of the week, but then my lifting is very consistent. I do three days on, one off, three on, and then I cycle. back into about a 90-day training cycle. I basically built my own training program based off of everything that I've learned off the podcast and books, but I'm definitely not married to it. So, ultimately, there's a better way to structure my program over the next year because I really need to lock in.

1:28:07I'm completely open to change. The issue that I'm having is I think I've consumed way too much information at this point. I'm a very analytical person. I'm very data-driven. So, I've read books, listened to podcasts, countless videos, tried to understand all the science behind training and nutrition. And I think at my age, I think I have the maturity. I've got the patience. I like the mindset to accomplish anything. As a mental health therapist, I know how to create goals. They create behavioral change. But ironically, though, I think I'm not feeling confident in what it is that I'm doing. So I've kind of hit that paralysis by analysis phase.

1:28:39So I think I understand all the individual concepts, but I don't think I've yet to fill up a strategic foundation to do what it is that I need to do over the next year. So really, I'm posing three questions, and we can address them. So if it is that you're in my position and you've got about 12 to 13 months before stepping on stage, how is your approach to the next year? What would be the changes that you would make on nutrition, cardio, and the training structure and programming? But ultimately, do I continue in a recomp, which is a very slow process, but it's been successful, do I need to lock in?

1:29:07Or do I need to go into a surplus? Or do I need to definitely go into a structured fat loss phase sooner? So that's my question.

1:29:13Sal Di Stefano:This is fun and easy for me. All this is awesome. The only thing I'm not a fan of is the date, is that you're putting a date on when you're going to do the stage. And what we should be doing right now is you can run a dry run of this. And you're not ready to run a dry run right now because your calories are too low where you're currently at. We need more runway than that to get where you're at. So a reverse diet and building right now is a better strategy than trying to just recomp. Like we need to build some muscle mass and build the calories up. and through that process, you're still going to probably get leaner.

1:29:50Sal Di Stefano:I mean, if we add 5 pounds or 10 pounds of muscle to your body, you'll be leaner on the scale. But more importantly, you'll be eating more like 3 ,400, 3 ,600, 3 ,800 calories. And if I do this correctly, I get you in the low teens and eating 3 ,600, 3 ,800 calories. Now we're in an optimal position for you and I to go, okay, this is the show we want to do because we're only 6 % to 8 % away from where you're. Being that far away percentage-wise to be stage ready and already saying this is the time frame or date I want to do, bad strategy. First, get yourself metabolically where you need to be and feel good about it.

1:30:33Sal Di Stefano:And even then, what I would suggest, what I did before I got on my first stage was, okay, I got myself, I spent a year of building the metabolism. Then I did a dry run. as if I'm going to prep for a show. So I got myself to where I was eating 4 ,000 plus calories. I'm at a place where I'm about 11, 12 % body fat. Okay, let's shred. Let me see how, and then got all the way down to low single digits, but no show in mind. It was just how long is this gonna take me to do this the healthy the right way? And I've, to watch, I've never done it to that level. And so I go, okay, I see I can cut this many calories and then I go here and then I can start adding this many steps, okay.

1:31:10Sal Di Stefano:And so then I go, okay, now I'm ready to set a date because I have an idea of what that should take. That would be the only real advice or thing I would change about your whole plan because I love it as a goal. I'm a total fan of it. I think you're a guy who absolutely could execute and follow it. But what I would do before I said, in 13 months, this is what I'm going to do, I would get myself in a better place metabolically and I'd want to be somewhere in the low teens before I commit to a show date. It's just a way better strategy. Otherwise, what will happen from that high of a body fat percentage and saying a date, you're going to get in this like, I got to cut, I got to cut, I got to cut, I got to cut.

1:31:50Sal Di Stefano:And then before you know it, you're going to be eating 17, 1800 calories and doing all kinds of cardio to try and shred. And the metabolism is going to be so slow. And you're not going to see the progress. You're not going to be happy. So what we should do now is build. We need to build.

1:32:03Adam Schafer:Jeremy, are you? No, that makes sense. That does make sense. And I was using the date as a forcing function. And I'm not married to that date either. Cool, cool. Again, I was just using that as, hey, here's the definitive target, because then that helped me create a backwards plan to do what it is that I'm doing. Jeremy, do you train naturally? Are you on TRT?

1:32:26No, naturally. I am on HRT because of my age. Historically, if you look at a lot of the research, men in the military historically have had low testosterone due to operational environmental stressors. lack of sleep and whatnot no worries and i finally did i did i did i did get tested a handful of years ago because i had a variety of uh symptoms uh correlated low testosterone that's good and about a couple years ago i did start so that so that does leave out a natural option which is

1:32:56Adam Schafer:why that i was aiming at mpc yeah no the reason why i asked is because i don't like competing uh especially for a guy you know over 30 uh if they're natural because it destroys your hormones but you're on HRT and it'll help you hold on to lean body mass what Adam said I would support 100 % do you understand what he means by runway because you're at 2700 calories you'll end up somewhere around 1700 1600 calories to try to get stage ready you're going to lose a lot of muscle mass it's going to feel terrible

1:33:26Sal Di Stefano:and you're too big of a guy to do that you should be a solid guy how tall are you? I'm 5 '10 we want to come to the show probably around 180 something you know it's probably what you would end up hitting stage 180 to maybe 190 depending on how much muscle mass we have and you're you we want it so we'd want to be in the teens before we cut like low teens before we cut for a show 12 13 and and and in a place eating a lot of calories so that the first good goal for like if i was your coach and we're we're talking through this i say our first good goal is getting yourself in the in the mid to low teens and eating the most calories you've ever ate like that is the first goal because if we're there then i know i got lots of room because i can pull a half a percent to a percent of body fat off you a week i can do that from a healthy metabolic place from an unhealthy metabolic place i don't i more than likely we won't pull that much body fat off that fast and then it then you resort to all these crazy extremes just to drop the weight and get a little leaner and the muscle comes off with that, you feel like shit and it's not a good strategy.

1:34:34Adam Schafer:How long have you been consistent with lifting? Well, you know, being in the military, I I've been very active, you know, I've lifted all the course of my, of my entire career. Um, this specific journey, um, is related to, um, I mean, lifting for bodybuilding has specifically been nine months. So I have really transitioned to being a good, just a, you know, standard gym goer to, um, training specifically for body. Oh, good. Okay. So here's what you would do now for, for, through that process. Your goal is to get strong. Yeah. You got a lot of room to get strong. If it's only been nine months of dedicated, like traditional strength training, uh, you do what Adam's saying.

1:35:11Adam Schafer:So you slowly increase your calories and get strong. That's the goal. The goal is, can I build strength? That'll build the muscle. And so at the end of this, you know, you're eating 3 ,800 calories. Your strength is through the roof and your body composition is probably better than, than what it is now. And then we've got some, we've got some really good place. We got a really good place to go from there.

1:35:29Sal Di Stefano:You listen to the show pretty consistently, Jerry. I do. Yes, sir. Okay. So the big thing I would just reiterate that you've probably heard us talk about it. So your personality will probably be the type that has the ability to push and do more than it's what's necessary. And so if I was coaching you through this process, that'd be a lot of the conversation is like less is more like just get strong. And that should be your indicator, not how sore you are or how much you can handle in a workout so don't let that be your guy don't be like oh i could do another set i feel i'm not you know what i'm saying yeah i'm i'm too old to be i don't chase

1:36:03Adam Schafer:numbers anymore so you're you're averaging about what six days a week in the gym i am i do three on one off three on and then i take two days off and i recycle so i follow a nine day asymmetrical training week yeah yeah why don't we and i do and i i do like push pull legs um okay that's all right you know upper lower our upper lower program is going to be lower volume and i think probably be more appropriate i think you'll probably see more gains from something like that you might be doing too much no really that's a lot in the gym especially especially especially when we're in the

1:36:32Sal Di Stefano:build phase right now i don't i don't need you to be doing like a ridiculous made of and this early on and you're kind of like bodybuilding career like let's save more for later like i'd rather stair step you and what that would look like is running you through a surplus in a in the diet right now in a program like that and then when i increase your calories again that's when i would allow you to do a little bit more. And so as you progressively add calories, we might add a little more volume or add a little more intensity into the, into the training to support all the additional calories. And so I'll send you maps up or lower.

1:37:07Adam Schafer:I think that'll be, it's a good bodybuilding routine. It's a four day split. So four days a week in the gym. Uh, it's a good amount of volume for a guy like you. Uh, it's not overdoing it. I think six days a week on average in the gym is probably overdoing the volume to try to build for most people. So I'll send that to you. and that way you have our program. Increase your calories, get strong, get the metabolic rate where you want it, and then from there, I think then you'll have a good time.

1:37:32Sal Di Stefano:And I know it's generic numbers, and if we were coaching, it'd be more specific to you, but a good generic number for you. You want to be in the high 3 ,000s, especially a guy who's stepping 10 ,000 steps a day, so you're an active person training quite a bit, and your size, you want to be at least 3 ,800-plus calories and in the teens' body fat percentage. So that should be goal first. Can I get my calories that high while, while getting my body fat percent and getting your body fat percent down is not through cutting. It's through building muscle. So can I build muscle, build the metabolism to where I'm eating that much?

1:38:06Sal Di Stefano:And my body fat is starting to get in the, in the mid to low teens. That's our first goal. And that's, yeah. And it's, and it's been, you know, it's been uncomfortable, you know, increasing calories because, you know, you know, growing up with a fear of carbs, I'm going to get fat. But what's been interesting over this last nine months is that I've been increasing my calories. I'm staying full and satiated, and my body fat is beginning to go down. My positive weight is going up. That's right. Some of that fear is leading. It'll keep working like that. It'll keep working that way. And that's where we want to keep focused is keep doing that because, Guy, as active as you are, you should be on your size.

1:38:46Sal Di Stefano:you should be able to eat high 3000s comfortably and be able to be in the low teens. And that's a better position for us to start talking about, okay, this is when we can do a stage. Understood. I appreciate that. I appreciate that, guys. Thank you so much. You got it, man. We'll send that program to you. All right, thanks, sir. Have a great day. You got it.

1:39:04Adam Schafer:I'm glad I asked if he was natural. I don't like, especially if you're 51, I don't care how healthy your metabolic rate is. You get on stage at single-digit body fat, you are destroying your hormones.

1:39:14Sal Di Stefano:Oh, you absolutely would. Everybody. where he's coming from. You absolutely would. That's way too low. It's too low of calories to that high of body fat percentage. But even if you had

1:39:22Adam Schafer:a great metabolic rate, if you're natural and you get down to, you know, stage ready is like 5-4 % body fat at the high end, your hormones are screwed. Oh yeah, your testosterone is in the tank. There's no way. Our next caller is Amanda from Indiana. Hi Amanda. Hi Amanda. Hi. Oh my God, this is so crazy. All right, I wrote myself a little outline so I'm just going to get into it so I don't ramble. Okay. Um, so I'm 31 mom of two, I have a two year old and three year old boys. Um, and earlier this year I was on GLP one for about six months. Um, I did semi glutide during that time. I lost 25 pounds and went from 32 to 26 % body fat.

1:40:02Um, that's, I just use the scale at home to get those measurements. Um, and then while I was on the shot, I was doing, um, full body lift two times a week. And then I would do one day of like intentional zone two cardio, just 30 minutes on the Stairmaster. And then steps wise, this is the same like now and then. It varies a lot. So I'm a receptionist two days a week. So those days, very, very low steps, like lucky if I get 6 ,000. And then the rest of the time when I'm home with the kids, it's really anywhere between like 8 and 15, just depending on the weather, what they're doing, how busy we are, things like that.

1:40:41and diet wise while I was taking it, I probably averaged around 1500 calories. And I made 100 grams of protein my goal per day. That was just what was like reasonable for me to get to within those calories and with appetite and stuff. I stopped probably about five pounds short of my goal, about 1 % short of my body fat goal. And the reason for this was I feel like I could have achieved the like numbers goal. Um, but we just anecdotally, we were really pretty avid hikers. Um, and we did a long weekend trip in big bear. Um, and there was one day we did like a five mile hike that just like completely whooped me.

1:41:23Like when six months prior we had done, um, Zion, like basically top to bottom with no issue. So I just knew that I was like really depleted. I felt really weak. It was time to kind of turn things around and start getting strong again. Um, I think at the same time I was listening to you guys and there was a podcast. Um, one of you had said something along the lines of like, with 26 % fat with more muscle, you're going to look better than like 22 % with little muscle. So that kind of was what got me to turn around. Um, let's see here. I do think some good takeaways I had from the GLP one, um, just as far as like things I took from diet is like, I can ignore desserts if they're in my house now, for the most part, We eat way less like takeout pizza.

1:42:06I feel like I can leave food on the plate at the end of the meal when I'm full. So I do think there have been some lasting effects in that regard. So then since I've gotten off the medication in the last two and a half months or so, I think I put on about five pounds, 1 % body fat, give or take. Again, this is with my scale, So I know it's not perfect. Um, and then calories, I'd say I'm averaging between 23 to 2400 calories, uh, with 130 grams of protein. Um, the calorie, I think I mentioned this in my original email. I've tried in the past to have like a daily calorie goal. That's like the same throughout and that I just don't stay consistent with it.

1:42:50And I think it has a lot to do with how my days are so different. Like the days that I'm not moving at all, it's like a labor to get to 2000 calories. Whereas the days where I have 15 ,000 stuff with my kids, I feel like I could, you know, eat a horse and still be hungry. So, um, I try and I don't try, I do kind of log my weight and body fat and my wearable every day and use the calories. It says I'm burning to kind of determine what I'm eating throughout the day. Again, I know it's not perfect, but it's kind of what keeps me more or less consistent. And then workout wise, what I'm doing now is a four day upper lower split.

1:43:29I've cut out like the intentional cardio. I just do what I do throughout my day. And then lift wise for squats, I've put on 25 pounds. Bench, I've put on 15 pounds. RDL, I've added 20 pounds. And right now I'm in the, I have two more weeks of like a five by five split or five by five, whatever you want to call it. And then as far as goals go, like I said, I do want to put on muscle. And long-term, I just want to be a great mom, like have good energy. I feel like I'm a very kind of average person. Like I wouldn't call myself a fitness enthusiast, but I care about it. I want to be healthy. I want to have energy and be fun.

1:44:11And I've always felt like my kind of struggle is like if I'm not tracking or trying to lose weight, then I'm probably gaining weight in a bad way. And I'd like to get away from that. I'd like to be able to just kind of live my life and be aware of what I'm eating without having to worry about like, am I going to put on five pounds this weekend? um so i guess tips advice guidance from you guys and then also any advice you have on um i guess maintaining like self-control while reverse dieting because i definitely do have tendencies to binge in the evenings um especially my husband travels for work a lot so if he's not home and then the kids are in bed like i'm basically just alone looking at the kitchen I can do some work.

1:44:59So yeah, just any advice you guys have.

1:45:02Sal Di Stefano:Amanda, you're killing it. You're doing a great job. Thank you. Great transition. All the things you're doing. Even the undulating the calories. You don't have to eat a consistent calorie every single day. I'm way more pro you eating more on those days when you're more active and need the calories that makes total sense lower on the other days. So you're averaging out the, you know, 22, 2300 calories. You're in a much better place calorie wise. You're in a much better place protein wise. The fact that you've added 25 pounds to your squat, your bench is going up. That means we're getting stronger muscles to come and you're going to, and your body comp is going to change.

1:45:42Sal Di Stefano:You're going to continue to get better.

1:45:45Adam Schafer:Amanda, do you mind if I, if I ask you some questions to dig a little deeper? Of course. Yeah. what, when, when you went on, on the GLP, what was the main motivation for, uh, for getting on that? Um, weight loss, um, aesthetics, I was low energy. I kind of, I mean, it was the dead of winter too. So energy was low from that here in Indiana. We don't really get the sun after October. Um, but I, so my two, both my kids were giants when they were born. Um, and both were C-sections. So, um, um after my two-year-old was born and that until i started glp1 is probably about a year and a half i had probably put on close to 30 pounds okay um and it just i was the biggest i ever had been and i had kind of tried to do it on my own and was not successful so okay um it was accessible to us so i didn't really see a reason not to yeah yeah no nothing wrong with uh nothing wrong with going on but um it sounds and just correct me if i'm wrong it sounds like you felt a little out of control uh and the glp one would have would add a little bit of control okay yes and then then then the you know you did give us you did say at the end uh you know husband's out uh traveling for work your home alone that's when you tend to kids are in bed that's when you tend to you know it's okay uh is that a is that a trigger kind of feeling lonely bored let me i think it's boredom more than anything okay and the reason why i'm asking these questions because now you're off uh, the GLP and you stopped for a good reason.

1:47:15Adam Schafer:You stopped cause you were eating too little, you felt weak and you felt tired. You said you think you were averaging about 1500. Uh, it sounds like you weren't really tracking. You're kind of guessing. I was, I'd say loosely tracking. Um, I, I was losing weight, so I wasn't worried about being, you know, perfect with it. Um, I would have like three or four days where I would track really good and then stop for three or four days. And it went, I'd say my lowest, it was like a thousand in highest. It was like 1800. So I kind of got in the middle. Okay. And then now you said you, you think you're averaging around 23, 24.

1:47:48Adam Schafer:Is that consistent tracking or is that another estimate? Yes. Now I'll stop for like a day or two, but then I'll be right back on it. And honestly, the only thing that really changes a whole lot is dinner. Um, I eat pretty much the same breakfast throughout the week. Sometimes I'll do like overnight oats instead of a shake, but it's the two two meals two three meals are consistent okay and then when you were doing when you're on the semaglutide was it hard for you to hit your protein targets did you feel like you had to like you had to kind of make it happen okay yeah it it was funny it was almost like um the food versions i had from when i was pregnant like came back like i've heard it was very interesting i've heard that so i would guess your calories probably lower than you think uh during that period of time especially if you stopped because you started to feel kind of weak.

1:48:37Adam Schafer:I like what you're doing now but I can hear a little bit of the fear in you like I feel like I might get out of control again or maybe periods of time when I get out of control. Amanda, I think you're doing everything great but I think you're a great candidate for coaching. I think it would be very valuable for you to work with a coach through this process because you don't have the chemical signal right now that's telling you not to eat. which it sounds like that's what you, and this is just how GLPs work. We rely on that. And then when it's gone, okay, how do I deal with this new signal that's coming back at times?

1:49:12Adam Schafer:And I'm afraid I'm going to go right back to what I was doing before. And that happens. That happens sometimes, but this is the perfect time to work with a coach right now. Right now is the perfect time. You're off the GLP, you're going on a reverse diet, you're trying to build. This is when you can develop new behaviors. The old behaviors that you used to do before the GLP, you weren't committing while on the GLP. So those neural networks are weakened. So we're in a perfect position to get you in a new place, to not bounce back to what it was like before for you, where you felt like you're out of control.

1:49:45Adam Schafer:Um, and I, so, so if we just do this conversation, I'm going to tell you you're doing everything right. And I think you are doing everything right. And I want you to build, and I want you to eat only whole natural foods and only when you're hungry. Stay away from junk food and processed food. If you just did that, you're going to be fine. But if you know yourself and you're like, okay, this is going to be hard. And when the appetite signals come back, this is why I'm a little worried. What a good coach is going to be able to do over the next, let's say six months is get you to a place where at the end of six months, you're like, man, I got this now.

1:50:15Adam Schafer:I'm not going to bounce back. I totally got this, but that's going to be a bit of a process. This is literally the perfect time to hire a coach. the perfect time to hire a coach when you're on a glp1 is on the glp1 and when you come off the glp1 but you you did it on your own now you're off you want to do it now you can always hire one later uh but what often happens and we have clients like this is they they go on the glp they lose weight they get off the glp they kind of struggle through it start to gain the weight back then they come and see us oh god i gained most of the weight back now i want to work with the coach and we work with them and we have success, but it's like, man, if we got you before that, this would have been a lot easier.

1:50:56Adam Schafer:So this would be perfect timing for you right now. But I like what you're doing with your strength training. I like where your calories are at. The best thing you could do is avoid foods that, uh, that are hyper palatable or that trigger you to want to eat more.

1:51:11Sal Di Stefano:Like that's the, that's the real basic black and white rule. Even when you, even when you have those moments of boredom uh you know when you're alone at night and you go and get something if you just made the right food choice that's what i mean okay like if you just like if you just gave yourself permission like i can go in and go eat again but i'm gonna go eat a second serving of what dinner was that's right right that's right versus i'm gonna go have whatever your thing is right because most people it's it's this thing that's not serving you uh and you can eat a lot more of it and it's high calorie and it's not high protein so which by the

1:51:43Adam Schafer:way what he said what adam's saying works so well but it's still not easy so i just want to communicate this to you and anybody watching right now uh it sounds like oh i'm hungry you know i'm gonna go eat a whole natural food meal you're still gonna want to fight it you're still gonna be like no i'd rather have pizza or i'd rather have the ice cravings uh so it's still hard it's just way easier than saying i'm not gonna eat anything because then that turns into something completely different yeah uh so so what adam's saying works really well but it's still hard And so what a coach is going to do is walk you through that process.

1:52:14Adam Schafer:You're going to bounce things off of them. And then here's the other part. The reverse diet part for you is going to be really scary because you're going to be afraid of what's going to happen. And they're going to coach you through the whole process. And so we're in a great position to build. You're already, by the way, your strength gains are beautiful. I think we have a lot more strength gains coming. And so we can really build the body that we want now if we catch it now. So what you've got is about a six-month period here of amazing transformation. uh, if we do this the right way. Okay. Is that, is that something, is that something you're interested in?

1:52:47Adam Schafer:Cause I can have someone call you to talk to you about that. I mean, I would be open to a conversation. Um, I don't know if it's something that we would just be candid, like, uh, money wise, I don't know if that's something we would pay for. Um, but I mean, I'd be open to the conversation. Um, definitely. Totally fair. Yeah. Worst case scenario, we could even figure out how to have somebody set up your macros and everything for the next few months. Nonetheless, nonetheless, uh, what Adam mentioned, if you stick to that, you're going to be okay. Uh, because what could very quickly happen is you start to revert to old patterns and that spirals very quickly.

1:53:27Sal Di Stefano:The key to that is you're, when you're not going to want to do it, cause it's not going to sound good. Right. So, and then, and then this is the difference of like, uh, you know, creating new habits and behaviors is you, you, at first it's hard. You still make the decision anyways. Then what you realize is you have that thing. And then you're like, Oh, I'm satisfied. Actually that does feel better. It was, it's just the moment of making the decision to do that instead of the other thing. And you'll wrestle with it quite a few times until you've done it enough times that, you know, and then that becomes a thing that, Oh, if I'm really hungry at night, that's what I go have.

1:53:59Sal Di Stefano:And so, and I don't know how long you've listened to the show, but I shared my journey when I used the GLP ones. And one of the things that my thing has always been is ice cream. And it was like switching that over to the Greek yogurt and, and scoop of protein in my berries. And it's like that now becomes the thing that I go get at night. So.

1:54:14Adam Schafer:And Amanda, are you on compound pharmacy GLP or are you on the brand name? Some agglutide, you know, with the pan. I was compounded. Okay. If it's compounded, you know, so you're, so you could also go on a really, really small dose. You could micro dose it. You could also get back on for a little bit to get back off. but you know there's some other options typically when we work with people through this process you see a you know there's a significant percentage that end up going back on for a short time and coming back off through this process and then we have people that don't ever have to go back on again so just can just keep that in mind uh and and give yourself some grace because coming off the glp one a glp can be a bit difficult for people once that signal's gone all of a sudden people like oh what's going on here yeah it's crazy like you know i felt the effect at the very beginning and then i was like oh i got this i got this and then like two weeks after i was done i was like oh yeah yeah that's exactly what it takes yep yeah yeah and then just one more quick question kind of as an aside so um let's say i do the next six months like to a t i get to where i want to be how i guess have you guys in the past for either yourselves or coached like transitioning from a reverse to, okay, now I'm, this is just where I'm at.

1:55:30Adam Schafer:Oh, you just enjoy what you're doing. Yeah. You just enjoy what you're doing. Eat when you're hungry. Stick the whole natural foods and you don't have to worry about it.

1:55:39Sal Di Stefano:When you've done a really proper reverse diet, you actually get to a place. This is the experience that most, if not all people have, where they're like, I've never been able to eat this much food before and maintain where I'm at. And so what that allows is this kind of natural undulating like you've talked about. Oh, some days when I get really busy, I end up eating lower calories. Then other days I have higher calories. Every once in a while I get to have a treat in there or have a glass of wine or do those things I enjoy. And it doesn't feel like I put on a bunch of body fat. Where our metabolism is really slow and we're in an unhealthy place and we have these bad days or things swinging like that, it feels like you just put on body fat.

1:56:17Sal Di Stefano:And when the metabolism is working for you and it's roaring, you have a lot of metabolic flexibility. And so it's a lot easier. It's hard work getting there and building that. But once you're there, it's much easier to maintain.

1:56:29Adam Schafer:Well, you're probably, if you do this right, Amanda, you're pretty young too. You're going to have six months from now. If you're at 25%, you'll probably get down to 23 with a much higher calorie intake and strong. Yeah. Without having to do a cut. That'd be awesome. Yeah. That'd be really cool. Yep. All right. Cool. That answers my questions. You got it. Good luck. Reach back out if you need help. Thank you. Yeah, will do. All right. Bye-bye. She didn't want to hear what I had to say. Well, look, here's the thing. When I see a young woman at 32, isn't that crazy? She wasn't really a candidate.

1:57:00Sal Di Stefano:And you get on it. That's what I'm saying.

1:57:01Adam Schafer:And you get on a GLP. It just shows you how popular it is. It shows you how popular it is. It also shows, and she was speaking a little bit. Like outsourcing discipline. And I don't know for sure. This is just a short conversation. But there's probably some tendencies there with food. where you really feel out of control. And that's why you're like, I'm doing the GLP. And without coaching, very difficult, very difficult. On a GLP, you're just not hungry. You don't want food. And so you could live that way. You get off, those signals kick back up. It is very difficult to deal with them unless you learn how to develop new behaviors.

1:57:37Adam Schafer:Well, we didn't really deal with it.

1:57:40Sal Di Stefano:That's what I mean. The GLP won, quieted the noise. There was no desire, wasn't hungry. And I bet her calories were not averaging 15. Oh, no, no, no. She said already. She said 1 ,000 to 1 ,800. So she just chose 1 ,500 as like the middle. But she was probably a lot of 1 ,000 calorie days. That's right. And that's what made her feel that way for sure. No, definitely.

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