2924: The Best Machine for Every Body Part (Including Some You've Never Seen)

10:13Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, but that's so standard. It is. Yeah, that can't be an honorable mention. Honorable mention has to be somewhat unique. Okay. There's nothing unique about that. No. Yeah. I would say, you know what I like for a back that's unique? You know what I like, and I think you would agree, is the standing T-bar row. Oh, yeah. The one that has the platform. Oh, no chest support? Oh, yeah. Old school. I love that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You don't see those that often. You can make that at home. You can put the barbell in the corner. You can, but there's something about the platform, because the platform elevates you, and you have a thing to kind of lock it and set it out.

10:46Sal Di Stefano:So it's comfortable for that. And when you do it between your legs with a bar, it's not as comfortable and wedge it in a corner. So when I see one where it's, I always, I will always go over and use that for back. I love that.

10:59Adam Schafer:That was a staple exercise for me as a kid. So as a kid, I used to take the barbell, wedge it in the corner. And the first time I did it, I was like, this is, and it was literally one of the exercises I always did.

11:07Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, and maybe that's why, too, when I first started lifting, that was a staple movement. And then later on, I saw, oh, wow, someone's made like a machine out of it. And I'm like, oh, that's badass. It's like the only use for landmines for a while there. Yeah. Back in the day, yeah. You just do like a T-bar. You know what's crazy?

11:24Adam Schafer:As we're talking about this, there's such a difference between how people, this is just a little side combo, how people do a T-bar row, non-chest supported, like you're saying, how they do it now versus how they did it in the 70s. You ever watch them do it in the 70s? Oh, yeah, full range. They're like doing a back extension with -

11:42Sal Di Stefano:That's why I like it. So the chest-supported one, you only have so far a range of motion.

11:48Adam Schafer:It's just the row part.

11:49Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, and the standing one, I could take it all the way and completely round my back and then come back. Yeah, no, it's one of the best machines ever. Yeah, love it.

11:58Adam Schafer:All right, shoulders. I put this one here because it's not an uncommon machine. You should be fired for this. But the way this feels, this is a higher skill shoulder exercise, but it places me in a position that I can't get doing almost anything else. And it's a Smith machine upright row. Just because it's on a track, it's bringing it to where I want, and I can really feel the lateral head.

12:21Sal Di Stefano:That's so weird you would pick that. Well, what's yours, dude? You got a better one? Anything else? That's not shit. Yes. No, I'm serious. I've done that before and been like, no. I'd rather have a barbell doing that.

12:33Adam Schafer:Do you have a favorite shoulder machine?

12:35Sal Di Stefano:I mean, how about the Viking Press?

12:37Adam Schafer:Oh, God. Oh, yeah. Is that considered a machine? Yeah, of course it is. Well, yeah.

12:41Sal Di Stefano:I mean, you got to use a landmine again and have leverage with that. And they make machines that are like Viking Press machines that are cool, too.

12:50Adam Schafer:You know what? That's not bad. The first time we used one was here, and we saw – who was it that was using it? Was it Ben – what's his name? Powerlifter. Pukulski? No. Oh, Pollock. Pollock. Pollock was using one. Yeah. Then we ordered one. We used it here. And the feel on it. It's the extension. Yep. It's that full extension that squeezes the top.

13:11Sal Di Stefano:I love that. You know the other machine I really like? I know it's lateral stuff, but it's still cool. The standing lateral where you grab the handles that are kind of free.

13:17Adam Schafer:Dang, that's the one.

13:18Sal Di Stefano:That's another great one. Bro, I could go all day on this. That's like the worst one you picked right there. That's a great one. Another great one is the Golden Monterey has where you lay flat on your stomach and you can do rear delfiles. I never liked that. Oh, bro, I love that.

13:34Adam Schafer:Is that where you put your face in the hole? Yes. It looks like a massage table? Yes.

13:36Sal Di Stefano:It looks like a massage table, and you can get, I mean, there's a lot. You mess with your buddy while he does that, by the way. That one you never see. Yeah. You know why you don't see it? Nobody has to use it. I know. And there's not a lot of great rear delt movements, right? There's only so much you can do rear delt-wise. And so to have a machine that you can really target the rear delt.

13:56Adam Schafer:Basically locks you in. Oh, yeah.

13:57Sal Di Stefano:So that was one of my favorites. Yeah, I can think of a lot of good shoulder stuff.

14:01Adam Schafer:The standing lateral ways one was a good one. Because if I see that, I'm using it.

14:05Sal Di Stefano:Oh, yeah, that's great. 100%. It just feels so comfortable. Yeah. You know, because it's all the handles.

14:09Adam Schafer:Do you even know what that is, Justin?

14:11Sal Di Stefano:What? No, I don't.

14:15Adam Schafer:I play around with machines, but I don't have, like, fond memories with you guys. Justin's like, give me a barbell and dumbbells. What are you guys doing? Yeah. Which I love. Lame, huh? Yeah, this is the guy with the massive arms over here. All right. Chest. This you see sometimes in the early 2000s. You don't see it too often now. Do you guys know what the free motion multi-plane chess machine is? So it's like you're sitting in a chair that's got a back to it, and then there's cables here. So you can do presses or flies. Yeah, I like that. Oh, man. Yeah, I like that. It's the best. Yeah, it gives you a really good range of motion.

14:48Adam Schafer:It's the best for flies. Again, not a ton of versatility, probably why they got rid of it at gyms.

14:54Sal Di Stefano:Because you can do so much with just the free motion by itself. you know, you can get, you can put a bench in there. It's so versatile, yeah.

15:01Adam Schafer:But I like it because you can adjust, you can go upper chest, lower chest, you can get a deep stretch, squeeze. Yeah, I can get down with that. I like that.

15:09Sal Di Stefano:I'm trying to think right now, there's not a lot of chest machines I'm a huge fan of.

15:14Adam Schafer:Me neither. I was never a fan of, I know everybody loved the hammer strength, like chest press. I never liked it. I never felt it that much.

15:21Sal Di Stefano:It does okay. It's not. It was always like a finisher, like, yeah, it was pretty weak. Yeah, I've always thought, you know what it is too, It's one of those things you can stack a bunch of weight on it, so it's so not impressive. Especially the decline one.

15:31Adam Schafer:Yeah, yeah.

15:33Sal Di Stefano:Cables are always best, though, if I was going to do any kind of flies. Cables. Yeah, for range of motion. Absolutely.

15:38Adam Schafer:All right, next for biceps. Biceps are pretty easy to hit, so machines, whatever. But there's a seated curl machine that you'll sometimes find where your elbows are locked here, and there's cams that help you curl up, and I've always liked that.

15:52Sal Di Stefano:So I like that, but there's one that I like more that I get excited when I see, because that's a little bit easier to simulate. The one where your elbows are positioned up high.

16:03Adam Schafer:That's great. That was the other one I was thinking of because you can't really do that with free weights.

16:07Sal Di Stefano:You can't. You can't really make that challenging. Exactly. It locks your elbow and shoulder in and you can really concentrate and it's just a position that you normally wouldn't put your... You can try and do that with cables. It doesn't feel the same without the support. and so you can actually kind of load it in that position. So if I see that bicep machine, I'm doing that bicep machine.

16:32Adam Schafer:Yeah, I agree. For triceps, so this is a machine that when I was a kid I didn't like and the main reason I didn't like it is I just would put too much weight on it and it just didn't feel good. And it wasn't until I got older where I stopped caring so much about how much the weight stack was and I would just go light and try to make it work. And this, it feels great and it's a seated skull crusher machine. Nautilus made one with pads. This is where your elbows are on, and you lock yourself into the pads. Yeah, two handles. And you're not going super heavy, but you're really going through a full range of motion.

17:04Adam Schafer:If you go light on that, it's going to give you a real good feel.

17:07Sal Di Stefano:The only reason why I never liked that one that much is you have to go really light. Because if you go heavy, it rocks your shoulder and elbow back. I like the one that I was referring to, Justin. Overhead. Yes. Oh, man. When you put your foot down, and then it gets— With the handle. Yeah, it'll pull all the way back down, and you could load that really well. Again, Monterey has that. Or not Monterey, but Bernal. Yeah, I think you're on to something with getting the elbow position up high. For the machines, I think that would be the move. Because dips, how are you going to beat dips? Yeah. Otherwise, it's just dips.

17:41Adam Schafer:There is a dip machine. There are dip machines you see with the weights. I mean, that one you push down, that's pretty weak. There's one that I rarely ever see that is plate loaded. It's got long arms like this, and they're just big tubes that come up. Who had that? And you add plates in the back. It actually feels really good. But Jim had that.

17:56Sal Di Stefano:One of our gyms had that over here. I like that one. Yeah, yeah. It feels better. But I'm with Justin. The overhead one is, I think, if you see that for triceps, I'm going over there for sure.

18:05Adam Schafer:And then for glutes, you see these all over the place now. Hip thrust machines are actually pretty good.

18:09Sal Di Stefano:They are.

18:10Adam Schafer:They're actually really, really good.

18:11Sal Di Stefano:I mean, I actually would make the case for hip thrust machines over barbells. So would I. Because barbells are really tough to get comfortable. To get set up, get in. Yes.

18:20Adam Schafer:Yep. And the range of motion is really just the plates. It digs into the bone. Yeah.

18:25Sal Di Stefano:And it's an isolation type of exercise anyways. Yeah. So it's not like you're getting tons of benefit for it being a free weight. And so that's actually a machine that I would probably opt to do over free weights more often than not.

18:39Adam Schafer:And speaking of which, I know hip thrusts are really popular, especially with women who want to build their glutes. But I'll tell you what, if you're a guy and you want to improve, well, let's say athletic performance. You want to get faster at sprinting. The data on a hip thrust shows it's got great carryover to sprinting. And then if you're just looking to be strong, this is my own personal anecdote. Hip thrust is one of the few exercises that have a direct carryover to my deadlift. There's a few exercises that have carryover. A lot of them don't have too much carryover. If my squat gets better, I typically would get a better deadlift.

19:15Adam Schafer:But when I do a hip thrust, I feel it right out the gates, like right away. I'm stronger we'll let you be the guy

19:20Sal Di Stefano:that has like no shame you know that's insane Justin and I we'll let you have that award yeah go for it guys we'll let you be the guy it's not the worst

19:31Adam Schafer:exercise you could do you look cool you ever watch old old videos of bodybuilders doing donkey calf raises oh my god bro oh where they sit on each other's back yeah yeah riding your buddy those are those are close those are close yeah those are close I know it's crazy anyway Anyway, dude, I read a story. I'm going to pull up a story that I read. It's a true story. I confirmed it. One of the craziest things I've ever read in terms of like, this is a true story of a doctor that had to do something really crazy. This happened. This is a Soviet. This was a Soviet Russian surgeon. So I'll read this to you.

20:09Adam Schafer:This is crazy. In 1961, during the sixth Soviet Antarctic expedition, there was a doctor. there was the only doctor on this supply ship. So he's a doctor for the supply ship and they're doing work. The sea froze over and the team was isolated and stranded. And they're like, okay, we gotta wait for the winter to be over before anybody can come get us or we can get out of here. But we got supplies and we're just gonna chill here in the sea until this kind of works itself out. Like on the boat? Yeah, because the sea froze over. They couldn't go anywhere. And nobody could rescue them.

20:43Sal Di Stefano:I didn't know that happens. That can happen.

20:45Adam Schafer:that can happen uh so nowadays we have like ice it's rare but this was 1961 like you guys are stuck which is which is fine they're probably not going to die they're okay they got supplies but here's where it gets crazy the 27 year old uh doctor started getting classic symptoms of acute appendicitis so he was like oh no i'm the only doctor here and you got it i this is definitely appendicitis. Did he do it on himself? And if I don't, like, if someone doesn't operate on me, I'm dead. I'm gonna die. So he did No way. He, like, directed or did he do it on himself? He had one of the guys there. No, no, no.

21:26Adam Schafer:One of the workers there. This is not a surgeon. This is just a guy. Who'd you pick? You're stuck on the boat. Who do you pick? The chef, right? Yeah, the chef, right? Yeah, the butcher. Yeah.

21:38Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, the butcher.

21:39Adam Schafer:That's the best guy for the job, right? Well, dude, he took one of the guys, and all he did was he trained him on the equipment. He's like, I'm going to tell you to bring me this, give me that. So he taught the guy what the equipment was. No anesthesia. And he gave himself a two-hour operation. Two hours? Two-hour operation, removed his own appendix, sewed himself back up. And lived. Lived. Wow. That's brutal. When you hear stuff like that, how weak do you feel? I feel like a total wuss. Yeah, dude. Could you operate on yourself?

22:08Sal Di Stefano:I mean, you think, too, for him to know that he needed to do that. Like, the average person probably wouldn't even know what's going on, right? You would just be in this pain, and you wouldn't understand what's going on unless you were a doctor. Yeah.

22:18Adam Schafer:So what happened, if you read about this story... Pass out. First, he realized, oh, no.

22:25Sal Di Stefano:Hey, could you imagine doing the instructions and then pass out? And the guy's like, what next? So here's what he said. What next? Do I plug this?

22:34Adam Schafer:The red wire or the blue wire? I don't know. So here's what happened. Here's what he said. First off, when he realized it was appendicitis, he went into despair because he's like, I'm going to die. Oh, my God. There's pictures. I'm not going to survive this. Like, this is crazy. Then he had to have this mind shift. He's like, okay, I'm a surgeon. I have to do this. I have to separate myself from this whatever. Then he told somebody, one of the guys there, you need to give me these instruments. You train them. And then he told this other guy, if I pass out, your job is to wake me up. Wow. Because he knew that was a real possibility.

23:07Adam Schafer:Okay, he did. So he was like, if I pass out, smack me, wake me up. Thought ahead of it. So I can finish the surgery. And he just, yeah, dude. Gangster.

23:15Sal Di Stefano:This is Russians, yeah. Yeah, of course. They're different people.

23:20Adam Schafer:Did I ever tell you when I did a judo tournament against the Russians? There was a Russian team that came when I was a kid? Really? Did I ever tell you about this? No, no. I was 13, I think. And we did this big tournament, and there was a Russian team that had come in to also compete. and they had all ages. And so one of their kids, one of the kids was my age and he was in my group or whatever. And I don't remember what, at this point, I think I was a, I don't want to say, I was going to say a yellow bell and we were allowed and my age and my bell meant I can also choke. So there's a certain point in judo where you can't choke unless you're this age and a certain belt.

23:56Adam Schafer:They won't let you do chokes. Interesting. It's not like jujitsu where they'll let four wheels choke each other. But anyway, so I'm going against this kid and I was a lot bigger and stronger than this kid. Okay, Russian kid. and I'm on top of him and I'm choking him. And I don't have great technique, so I'm just strangling this kid basically. And he's like not tapping out. And his face is changing colors. Looks like he passed out at one point. My mom's yelling at me from the stands to stop. She's yelling, Stop, you're going to kill him. You're hurting him. In Sicilian, she's yelling at me. And then she's literally telling me, I'm in trouble.

24:29Adam Schafer:Like you better stop or you're in trouble. She's yelling at me from the stands. Oh no. In Sicilian, you're going to kill him. You're hurting him. Stop it. You're hurting him. Because I'm like on top of him, trying to get this kid to tap out. He wouldn't tap out. Oh, my God. Yeah, dude. I won, and I remember thinking like, dude, you're just going to let me kill him? You can tap, man. That's so bad. It's gangster. No. That's so great. That's the Russian sport. I know.

24:52Sal Di Stefano:Hey, you and your boys getting ready to take off, huh? Yeah. Yeah, we're about to go on a little trip to Atlanta. Are they excited? Yeah. They are? Yeah, we're all excited. Okay, it wasn't like you had to like dad course them to go and stuff like that. What is this for? So we had a caller. Remember the caller? Oh, this is the NFL, the Falcons. Yeah, she's part of the Falcons. And so they're in training camp right now. And I was like, oh, this is a great opportunity because Everett's like really into football, but not like to the point where he's, you know, watching it on TV, like knows the players.

25:26Sal Di Stefano:Like, you know, he just he likes playing a lot, you know, and I'm trying to like, you know, Stoke that a bit more. So I think this will be great for him to meet the players. Are you going to see the practice? Training camp. Yeah. So we're going to do that. And then there's also, I guess there's like a Porsche experience right next to it. So the first day we're going to do a racing track. And they're going to drift with the kids, with the cars and stuff. So yeah, it'll be cool. I just figured if you're going to throw something out like that, I'm going to take advantage.

25:57Adam Schafer:You know what's always cool about that? I think everybody at some point, I'm not a big, everybody, you guys tease me. I'm not a big, you know, traditional sports guy. But I do believe everybody should experience seeing a world-class athlete in person do something athletic because it's wild. Well, and also just freaks. It's the wildest thing.

26:15Sal Di Stefano:Just being on the same level if you're like on the field with them. Yeah, you just, you see the size, the power, the speed, and you're just like, oh my God. Oh, it hits different in person. Oh, it's weird. It's one thing to watch it on television and then you get it up close.

26:30Adam Schafer:When you see a 300-pound man run faster than you've ever seen. It's going to give me PTSD probably. I was like, I got right to that point and was like, yeah, I'm done. Well, I remember the first time I saw a 90-plus mile-an-hour fastball and I was standing kind of next to where the batter would be. And to see the ball come from the pitcher, first of all, I didn't know it made a sound. It makes a sound. Yeah. It, like, flies through the air, and it, like, makes a sound. And to see the ball move and that fast. Oh, it moves. Yeah. It was weird. All over the place. Yeah, it was weird. It was like, how did that even?

27:08Sal Di Stefano:My buddy caught, he was a catcher for, you know, Mark, for Chico. When Chico, the years that they went and won the series. And he caught for a couple guys that ended up being MLB pitchers. and even like at that level right really high level uh collegiate level that are going all the way to the championship with guys that will end up going to MLB there still is like a you know a difference between the the best picture of the league versus like good pictures and he's like oh it's like yeah he's like it's like an extra 10 miles an hour and that 10 miles an hour he goes my hands would be black and blue in the mitt yes in the mitt he goes it's just such a different feeling.

27:51Sal Di Stefano:And then how it comes on, he's like, the way it gets on you, like he goes, you see it for a split second leaving his hand and then it's in your hand.

27:59Adam Schafer:It's one of the only sports I can think of where you're doing it, like you're killing it if you touch the ball three out of ten times. You have to be predictive. You're guessing.

28:08Sal Di Stefano:Before it even leaves his hand, you already have to know where you're going.

28:11Adam Schafer:It's wild. I just watched a video of a three-time NCAA Division I wrestler, which is like incredible. Like you're a top wrestler in America. At that level, you're great. Yeah. And he was at an Olympic trial and he was wrestling against a Olympic gold medalist and just got, looked like he just didn't know what he was doing. He got crushed by somebody. There's such a difference. The levels that you get to. Yep. So to see that in person, I think everybody should experience it.

28:41Sal Di Stefano:It's very humbling and also like inspiring at the same time. Yeah. Yeah.

28:45Adam Schafer:Yeah. Because some things are not so easy to see. like intelligence, entrepreneur, you know, entrepreneurs who are brilliant, you kind of see the proof in the pudding by what they do. But you don't, with athleticism, it's very clear. It's very black and white. Yeah, it's a great point. Like, oh my God, I can't believe someone runs that fast. Pure meritocracy. It's very obvious. Yes.

29:05Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, it's a great analogy because it's something like with business and intelligence. It's not. You don't know what you don't know. You have no idea. Yeah, you see outcome and you go like, oh, he must be good, right?

29:15Adam Schafer:But you don't realize what level the productivity and the ingenuity.

29:18Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, to be able to do something like that. Speed is speed. Power is power. You see it with your eyes. It's very, very obvious.

29:25Adam Schafer:Speaking of athleticism and stuff, again, I'm going to keep hammering this drum that I think the next big supplement for fat loss and athletic performance are probiotics. Oh, yeah. I wonder if it's already, since we're talking about these. They're not advertising it as such.

29:43Sal Di Stefano:They're not, but you know what, though? The data's there. This actually would be a good question for you while you're out there. Okay. I would not be surprised if, like, the NFL and, like, teams like that are already. Looking into all that. Yeah, already using it with athletes and things like that just for. Do you think? Because, like, a lot of times stuff like that that's outside, you know, lifestyle-wise, they're always, like, seeking coaches, you know, and, like, personal trainers and people, like, outside nutritionists. But, yeah, it'd be interesting to find out if they have, like, a team protocol or not.

30:12Adam Schafer:Well, so, like, so we work with Seed, right? So if people don't know, I mean, we did our homework and they're the best. They're the best in the world when it comes to the kind of strains that they use and how they deliver the strains to where they need to go and how they keep them alive and all that stuff. They have yet to advertise them as athletic performance supplements or fat loss supplements. The data is there. You know what it reminds me of? It's like creatine. Creatine got known for strength and muscle. Now we know it's this longevity supplement. Probiotics sold as gut health, improves your gut health, obviously.

30:48Adam Schafer:But it does way more than that. Mood, anxiety, fat loss, athletic performance, strength, endurance. All the data is there. It's like a very – it's a good-for-you supplement that also helps with your fitness goals.

31:01Sal Di Stefano:So obviously it's going to help with your overall health and function and improve everything, all your systems and digestion, all that kind of stuff. But what have they attributed to the actual performance increases benefit-wise?

31:16Adam Schafer:So here's what we have with the studies. We have studies that show the end result. So athletes that take probiotics versus athletes that don't, they have more strength gains, they have more athletic performance gains, more stamina, they recover faster. Explaining the mechanisms is difficult because— You can't really parse that out. Well, the microbiome is super complex. I mean, we could attribute it to improved neurotransmitter production,

31:43Sal Di Stefano:reduced inflammation, better nutrient assimilation.

31:48Adam Schafer:I mean, I don't know. True, this is probably a little bit of all of it. Yeah. Or there could be something direct. Everything just works better, probably. Or there could be something direct.

31:56Sal Di Stefano:I wonder how it, like, competes, well, not competes, but how it measures up to, like, the comparison to, like, a multivitamin. like how how like how how good does it do as far as income is it you think it's better do you think it's gonna be superior well so you think the way multivitamin is so widely accepted everybody every doctor recommends it it's if you're nutrient deficient and you take it the heart attack

32:20Adam Schafer:the hard thing with the multivitamin is if you need a multivitamin it's life-changing yeah so

32:25Sal Di Stefano:yeah but the case you can make a case that everybody does because the in order for everybody to get all the nutrients that they need for like your rda we've talked about this before you'd have to have two servings of liver, 3 ,500 calories. Who's eating 3 ,500 calories from whole foods and liver every week? Nobody is. So if you're not, then there's a case for everybody should.

32:46Adam Schafer:I mean, I hear what you're saying. The point that I'm trying to make is if you have an actual deficiency, because there's deficiency, there's adequate, and then there's optimal. Yeah, that's fair. So adequate, you're not going to have symptoms of a deficiency. Now, optimal, you'll just feel better. It's not going to be super perceptible, but over time there's like a difference. Okay, and we know this. But between adequate and deficient, it's life-changing. If you're deficient in a key nutrient like vitamin D, your body is – you have symptoms of illness, you know, depression, anxiety, pain, hormones.

33:17Sal Di Stefano:Which is like comparing to somebody who – if you have severe gut issues and you take a probiotic and all of a sudden that makes a huge difference, I mean, that's life-changing too.

33:25Adam Schafer:It could, but it's – yes. But I don't know if you're necessarily deficient because probiotics have been shown to benefit everybody. So, like, anybody who takes a probiotic tends to derive benefit from it. So it's kind of good for everybody.

33:40Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, but wouldn't that fall in line with the multivitamin too? I mean, maybe.

33:43Adam Schafer:I know Seed has a multivitamin. Do you guys know that?

33:45Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, I watched a really cool— They have a multivitamin too. Someone was breaking down some of the best, like, supplement companies. And it was like an Instagram reel. Totally random. No one even affiliated with Seed. but Seed popped up as one of the top five and they talked about what they did such a good job of becoming the best at a probiotic first before they did it. Obviously the market was there for them to do it. They stayed in the lane. Yes, just like get known for the best of this and then they did all that. That's their hero product, right? So then they went on and they talked about that's what the real was about understanding like a hero product for brands and they are a classic example of a company that did that so well is hit it out the park with that and then they've added stuff.

34:25Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, that's great.

34:26Adam Schafer:Hey, what did you guys, it's been out now a few days. We've talked about the software, but we'll bring it up on the show. What? What was your experience with the trainer client event that we held? It was secure at MindPump. Oh, yeah.

34:36Sal Di Stefano:Different. Yeah, it was. It was very, it was very, we did it. We were trying to talk about, we were guesstimating how many of those events that we've done now.

34:46Adam Schafer:So what we've done in the past is we've had live events where we've invited fans and then we do like a live Q &A and we get to meet people.

34:54Sal Di Stefano:And we've done trainer live events and all. So I was thinking of like all of it because it's kind of, it was a blend of a little bit of both. And so, you know, we've done a lot, a lot of those. I would say more than 12.

35:04Adam Schafer:Oh, I would guess. Yeah. 15 to 20. Doug and I were like more like 15, 20 at least. Okay.

35:12Sal Di Stefano:And it was, it was interesting to hear. I always like to hear Katrina's perspective. Cause she has a lot to do with the planning and the organizing and making sure that all follows through. And so, and you know she's pretty blunt when it comes to stuff like that and a lot of times i'm in it and so i don't i don't see from her perspective of watching it and and so she always will tell me what the event's like afterwards and i couldn't get her i i felt it was my favorite right too i was like that was my favorite by far i like them all by the way i love them all yeah this is my favorite one i i felt that the same thing and i think what what we all felt it was very similar And what I thought was interesting was she was like, oh, it was really good, but it was different.

35:54Sal Di Stefano:And I'm like, well, what do you mean by that? And I kept pulling to get what she meant for that. And she had a hard time describing it. The best way I think that she did describe it that aligned with probably why I think I loved it and liked it so much was in the past, those events are very much so centered around us. Exactly. And this event didn't feel centered. even though I know we do our live thing and a lot of the people, obviously the people that are all there are clients of ours, fans of the show, highlighted our team. And the client success stories and it was emotional. It was about them and their trainers.

36:33Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, and so, which for me and you guys, which the best example or analogy I could give was like being like a proud father. Like it's your kid growing up. Yeah. And so, which made me connect why she, You know, she's my wife, and she's, like, you know, she loves the team. But it's, like, yeah, she's team Adam, Sal, and Justin, and, you know, Doug. She's, like, excited to see that. Because to her, that's, like, the trainers, like, it's less. Where for us, it's not like they're kids, like, for us. And so I get why it wasn't maybe her favorite because of, for those reasons. But I'm, like, that's the exact reason why it was my favorite.

37:12Adam Schafer:I met so many people. so these were clients of our coaches and trainers and we've only had a training department for about two years we had 100 people show up from all over the place we had someone drive from where they drive from uh minnesota minnesota yeah we had a couple drive from minnesota it was delaware we flew in yeah and um meeting these people and they're all they've all been listening to show for five plus years most of them but to hear them talk about their coaches yeah every single one i met would bring up their coach and talk about their coach yeah and it was just it was incredible

37:44Sal Di Stefano:they talked about the coaches they talked about the culture and getting the opportunity to be in the studio and meet from top to bottom the staff and just the the feel so that i i mean all of that for me was like i mean one of the things that uh we've talked a little bit on air about this uh this business has always been here i mean probably from uh year two right maybe not year one did we have a big trainer business on our hands but by year two uh we could have been training clients right whether it started with us and then eventually trainers that business was always there and we were really reluctant uh to do it for a really long time and mainly because uh we were very protective of building the brand it was we were very protective of uh our name like hey we worked really hard to create this podcast this network these people um handing it over to trainers to then go represent us that's a that's a massive overtake and it's a huge responsibility Yeah, huge responsibility.

38:50Sal Di Stefano:And to see it unfold and for it to impact the people, I mean, I couldn't ask for a better response.

39:01Adam Schafer:Listen, we were trainers for, I was a trainer for almost 20 years before doing this. And I know the impact that a good trainer will have on a person. First of all, nothing touches that. There is nothing that will impact a person more intimately and effectively than a good coach. The same is true for a bad coach. A bad coach can take somebody and get them to the point where they'll never try again. Yeah, they'll turn off fit.

39:33Sal Di Stefano:They'll be turned off for fitness. Yeah, forever. Forever.

39:35Adam Schafer:The hardest people to adopt a healthy and fit lifestyle in the right way, right? In the right way. One of the hardest people to take and do that with is someone that has had a bad experience with a coach. When someone's had a really bad experience with a coach, they're closed, they're shut off. They don't even try it, let alone, you know, now they're kind of trying. And it takes a while to rebuild that trust. And so that's a huge responsibility. And if you're going to work for us, first of all, it ain't easy. Trying to get a job here, good luck. But if you do pass through the trials and tribulations that we'll put you through, it's because you're special.

40:14Adam Schafer:And then you're held to a very high standard. Like, God forbid you're a trainer and you represent us in the wrong way. So it's like it took us a long time to get to the point where we felt like we could do it. That's why.

40:25Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, it was crazy. It definitely got me a bit just seeing how our culture has really grown. And it's like a total representation of us to the point where it actually inspired me to make a few calls on my way home. Like I called some old clients that I hadn't talked to in like 10 years. Oh, wow. Oh, really? Yeah. I was like, oh, hey, Tom, what's up? I miss you. It was, yeah. I just really needed to bring them in. Like now that we have like something established like this, I'm like, yeah, this, this is something that I would like put my stamp on. It's like, you know, this is a good representation of like, you know, what I tried way back in the day to create.

41:01Sal Di Stefano:But now it's at such a, you know, a level that it's, it's just awesome to see. And I want them to be a part of it.

41:08Adam Schafer:I, I, so every time we do these events, there's always emotional moments. And this one was definitely. There's a lot of them. Chock full of them. Yeah, yeah. There was this one young woman who, and I won't say too much because I don't want, you know, reveal who she is. But she's working with one of our trainers and one of our trainers asked me if I could hop on a coaching call with her. And this young woman had had had a history of eating disorders and stuff leading up to, you know, working with one of our coaches. And the reason why she decided to hire one of our coaches was at her young age.

41:35Adam Schafer:And this is a young woman. Her doctor told her she had osteopenia, almost osteoporosis. This was a result of her starving herself on and off over years, which is just a common symptom of that kind of eating disorder. So I got on the call. We were talking. And one of the things I told her was, throw your scale away. And I literally told her, I want to see it. And I want you to go throw it away right now. And it's really scary for her. And it was a tipping point. And she's working with one of our best coaches. Anyway, she was here. So that was probably, I don't know how long ago. It was four months ago that I had gotten on that call.

42:09Adam Schafer:Anyway, she was here. I kind of forgot about the call. She's shaking my hand, and we're talking, and it starts to dawn on me who it is. Her fiance was there, and he's like, dude, he goes, she went to the doctor, and she had a bone scan, and the bone scan showed that her bone mass is moving in the positive direction. I know who you're talking about.

42:29Sal Di Stefano:I didn't even recognize her. So I'm talking to her. She's with her fiance. Yeah. And she's saying hi and kind of like introducing herself. and she's introducing herself as if I didn't know who she was, and I probably responded like I didn't know who she was, and we were talking for a minute, and then I saw her name tag, and I went, oh, my God, I know you. I totally did not pick up on it because I didn't recognize her. She looked so good.

42:52Adam Schafer:So what's crazy about this, first of all, her bone mass is going in the right direction, so she's going to be out of the danger zone here soon, but the thing that she was telling me was how shocked her doctors were and how when they told her that she – when you're told you have osteopenia or osteoporosis, it's almost like they're telling you about a terminal or a non-reversible – Prepping you for like a negative. We talked about this the other day. It's like – It's like, hey, you got this thing. They talk about arthritis and bursitis the same way.

43:24Sal Di Stefano:I feel like when they tell patients that, they tell patients as if it's like – It's a life sentence. Yeah, it's like you caught this disease. You can't reverse it. It's like, what?

43:30Adam Schafer:Well, what's crazy is that us, you know, and this is the conversation we had, and they were very grateful and we're all getting choked up. But I was like, you know, what's crazy is that, except for rare situations, bone weakening, it's one of the most predictable things you can reverse. It's as predictable as getting stronger. Like, if I can get you stronger. Build muscle, you build bone. Yeah, we could build your bone. And nobody communicates it that way, and it's weird. It's wild to me. Totally.

43:55Sal Di Stefano:I mean, I imagine it's because of how rare it is.

43:58Adam Schafer:No, I think what it is, Adam, I think there's two reasons why. One, doctors have very little coaching on exercise and nutrition. They almost have no coaching on those things. Two, the way the system works is, look, getting someone to change their diet and exercise is not a conversation. I don't just talk to someone for 15 minutes and go do it. You got to coach them through it. This isn't easy. Doctors don't have that opportunity. And I think that their experience is when I tell my clients to change a lifestyle thing, nobody does it. So I'm just going to give them medication.

44:27Sal Di Stefano:Well, that's my point by it's rare. I mean, historically speaking, it's a little bit different now. I mean, we're now getting to a place where people that are in their 60s and 70s, fitness was a little more popular in their 30s and 40s. But when we were 20 and those people were in their 60s and 70s, like fitness, lifting weights was just not a – No. Lifting weights, eating high protein. And so when doctors would get somebody, typically in advanced age, that had these, they would just, they're not going to change.

45:00Adam Schafer:How many clients did you have that would hire you in their 60s and then they'd tell you their doctor told them not to do any strength training? Yeah.

45:09Sal Di Stefano:Don't lift anything heavy. Don't do this.

45:11Adam Schafer:Don't do any strength training. And I'd be like, can I get on the phone with your doctor? Can I talk to your doctor? I had so many conversations with doctors because you had to get doctor's clearance. and I'd get on the phone and I would like explain to them what we're doing and I'm just taking her through range of motion it's going to be very easy, the idea is to get her a little stronger, well nothing over 10 pounds well you know that's relative to the person's strength, we'd have this conversation and I'd win them over eventually but it was just, it was wild to me that they tell them don't don't lift weights, not a good idea

45:42Sal Di Stefano:so that's why I think it is, I think it is, it's rare to see that case, you know speaking of

45:46Adam Schafer:stuff like that where you get kind of a sentence You know, cholesterol and lipids, I got to say this. You can effectively – now, there are cases where you're not going to do a lot, okay? But in many cases, there are things you could take that are natural that will positively affect your cholesterol and lipid numbers. There are natural things you could take. Some are very strong, some not as strong. Dose's product has clinical data showing that it helps. that it works. And I wonder how many people know that when they get their blood test and their numbers come back, not so good. Yeah. I wonder how many, how many of them know they could take, uh, something over the counter that's natural and healthy.

46:31Adam Schafer:That's not a, a medicine, uh, that'll actually show some.

46:34Sal Di Stefano:My buddy Lord has, remember I, I brought him up maybe a couple of months ago.

46:38Adam Schafer:He, Oh, he started taking it. Yeah.

46:40Sal Di Stefano:Right away, right away. Took it. And he was a, he also made some dietary changes too. So, I mean, I can't just be like, Oh, this just magically did it. Yes. Yes. Yes. You know, he backed off the amount of red meat that he was eating and just tried to switch it up for a little bit leaner cuts between that and taking that. I think it was.

46:57Adam Schafer:What is their study? Because they have actual clinical data. Yeah, read that to me, Doug. Is it 95? Yeah, this one right here. Let's see. So 95 % of participants reported a positive impact on LDL levels. So that's 95%. Yeah. And 90 % on triglyceride. levels yeah and and so and all the ingredients read those ingredients it's all it's like fruit and like so what are all the things that are in it so they have these are healthy um compounds none of these act like a statin and i'm gonna tell you why i said that in just a second but give me the give me the ingredients there doug yeah so it's uh i'm not sure how you pronounce this amla amla fruit uh extract inositol pomegranate fruit organic ginger root and uh organic turmeric Procymeric, coenzyme Q10, lycopene, black pepper, fruit extract.

47:53Adam Schafer:Yeah. So those are all good for you. Yeah. They're all good for you. They're all anti-inflammatory. They're all going to give you health benefits. And now the reason why I said none of those are a statin is because there is a blockbuster, big guns, over-the-counter natural compound. You can take that. Well, for sure, lower your cholesterol. It's because it's a natural statin. It's actually what? Red yeast rice extract. Yeah. That's actually where they got the, that's where they figured out how to create statin.

48:20Sal Di Stefano:Now, why wouldn't you use that in combination or why wouldn't you add that to this?

48:25Adam Schafer:So statins have their own potential side effects. So statin literally - Even a natural one? Yeah. It's still statin. It ain't going to be as powerful as the pharmaceutical stuff. Yeah. But it's still statin. And what statins do is they essentially tell your liver to make less. Now, that process of making cholesterol, though, there's other benefits to it that you might need. So one of the potential side effects of a statin is like muscle weakening, brain fog, because you need to produce cholesterol. So that's why I leave that one for like, okay, you need a bigger gun. Before you go to pharmaceutical, you can take red yeast rice extract and see what happens there.

49:03Adam Schafer:But reliably.

49:04Sal Di Stefano:So that's probably why they wouldn't put that in there. Yes. Oh, interesting. There's two more ingredients I didn't mention. It's niacin and folate. Oh, it's got niacin in it, huh?

49:12Adam Schafer:Oh, niacin was the old school way of lowering cholesterol. Did you know that? I didn't know that. They would give you a crap ton of niacin until you'd flush, like you'd look like a lobster. Just heat up your skin. I'll never throw it the first time trying that. And then throw you in a sauna. And throw you in a sauna? Both of those. So just sweat it all out. I've done it before. You've done that? Oh yeah, I get that niacin flush and get in the sauna. I tell you, man, it's a good time.

49:31Sal Di Stefano:I feel like that screams my head pounding with a headache. Yeah, yeah. They use niacinamide, which I don't know if it causes a flush.

49:39Adam Schafer:No, you're not going to flush from this. Yeah, I remember the first time I took niacin. I read some bodybuilder talk about how it was great for a pump.

49:46Sal Di Stefano:Put some stack with it.

49:47Adam Schafer:Bro, I took it. I was at work. I took it. Just sweating. Really red. Yeah. I look like Justin. Wasn't it?

49:56Sal Di Stefano:After like two minutes in the sun. Whatever happened to that brand? Red Fuel? Red Fuel? Oh. Is this the one you rub on your skin? No, not Rip Fuel. The blue and red bottle that was small. Oh, Redline. Redline. Oh, Redline. Yeah, Redline. Redline used to have niacin in it.

50:11Adam Schafer:Oh, my God.

50:12Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, it was. That's what it was. Yeah, because that one totally got me. Are they still around?

50:16Adam Schafer:Yeah, you can still buy a red line.

50:17Sal Di Stefano:I haven't seen it. It ain't like the old school. No, do the red line ready to drink. That's almost back when they had a Fedro. I believe this.

50:22Adam Schafer:So the original red line was gnarly, dude. It was a metal can. Yes, that's what I'm talking about. And you know what got them in trouble? It had two servings in there. Is that what it was? Yeah, because people would take, thinking it's one serving. I believe they had niacin in there, too. I'm almost certain they did.

50:37Sal Di Stefano:The original one. Yeah, I don't know. Yohimbi, caffeine, beta.

50:42Adam Schafer:It alanine amino acids. Yeah, nothing beats old school Speed Stack.

50:47Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, I noticed that was the best.

50:48Adam Schafer:Hey, Doug, can you type in... I think you could still get them. 1990s Speed Stack. I just want to look at it. I know what it was. I just want to get fond of it. How many did I have? I probably had like...

50:56Sal Di Stefano:200 milligrams of caffeine. Three a day. 25 milligrams of ephedra.

51:00Adam Schafer:Yep. Yeah. 25 milligrams of ephedra plus... And to think that I take multiple... And then you know what it said? Two to three a day? Yeah. That's what the bottle said, dude. Did it say that?

51:10Sal Di Stefano:Yes. well I would have at least two I remember when I was trying to like really push it in the gym dude I burnt myself out I'm definitely guilty of getting some of our stuff yeah so fed drink caffeine

51:21Adam Schafer:look at pictures you're so close you know this is okay everybody this was drugs I just want people to understand there it is right there on the right I think that's the original there's nothing like that oh that's the you're right I just want people to understand this everybody this was drugs You run through a wall. These were gyms that we ran, and these were in the refrigerator for members or whoever to use.

51:50Sal Di Stefano:Did they have a big lawsuit? What happened? Why did they have to pull all of it? People were dying. No, you know what it was? It was people dying. So I remember kids' baseball players. Yeah, he died on the field. Yeah, I remember a baseball player died from ephedra. So Hydroxycut, all those brands, they all had to start pulling ephedra because ephedra is illegal you can't even buy ephedra you can like not black market though no no no can you

52:20Adam Schafer:but by itself and you have to buy it you got to go to a pharmacy and you have to get it it's not over the counter it's a bronchodilator you can't get it over the counter anymore it's kind of over the counter so you know how you go buy Sudafed and you got to go give them the ticket yeah they have that and it's straight up ephedra. So you just have to say the right things. No, it's a bronchodilator, so it's for asthma. I have asthma. And you can buy it, and then you can take your own, you can combine it with your own caffeine, and then throw. So the old stack was 200 milligrams caffeine, 25 milligrams of ephedra, 100 milligrams of aspirin.

52:57Sal Di Stefano:Disclaimer, Doug.

52:58Adam Schafer:That you don't do. Yeah, you don't do that. I put the disclaimer up there. Here's the recipe. Listen, I'm going to tell you right now, Now, if you don't have a high tolerance, and you're stupid enough to try that because I'm not recommending it, if you don't have a high tolerance, you will feel like you're having an anxiety attack for like two and a half hours. Your heart will feel like it's coming out of your chest.

53:15Sal Di Stefano:You need to have a high tolerance in order to do that. No, no, no.

53:18Adam Schafer:But we used to – so we used to – dude, I used to have my – so we would run gyms. We used to do a morning production meeting. Morning production meeting was 9 a.m. So 9 a.m. There was two production meetings. It was one at 9, another one at 4 before prime time. And these were the times I'd hand out the speed stacks. So I'd have my salespeople come in. They'd throw them at everybody. I'm curious. Here we go.

53:38Sal Di Stefano:Have you ever heard of Mini Thins?

53:40Adam Schafer:Yeah, that was Ephedra.

53:41Sal Di Stefano:Okay, yeah. Yeah, because there was guys on the football team to take it. I did it one time before a game. Where you're like, I breathe so good. Mouths were like foamy. No way. I'm not even joking. It was like too much. We're selling these right now, you guys. We can't be talking about them like this. That's why I said disclaimer. Eli's got to put the disclaimer on the video to make sure it's like. It was really bad. We don't recommend this. I didn't even know it was in it.

54:05Adam Schafer:Mini-thins were sold for truck drivers at gas stations. Yeah. So this was how it gets. That checks out. This was before truck drivers would go straight back. I don't remember those. Yeah. Mini-thins? Yeah. They were just little tablets. I don't know.

54:20Sal Di Stefano:Somebody on the football team was passing those around. Yeah. Like I said, that's 04. I'm already taking speed stacks. I didn't need that.

54:26Adam Schafer:Yeah. That's for babies. Yep. for mini guys if you're mini you know bodybuilders are always on the cutting edge of what will kamikazes they are what i have a buddy waters i've talked about this before on the show i just bring it up again the dynamite i have a buddy who so so a long time ago in a dynamite manufacturing this is how this got discovered there was a dynamite i don't remember where it was there was a dynamite manufacturing facility and workers who were handling this stuff were just sweating and losing weight like crazy. Okay. And so somebody's like, what is going on with what they're doing?

55:06Adam Schafer:Anyway, there's a compound in the dynamite making. How do we bottle this? It's called DNP. Doug, you know, Google DNP for fat loss. It's dynamite. And so it's a very - It's like cooks your insides. It's a powerful, you know what it is? It's a powerful mitochondrial uncoupler. So basically what it does is it makes your mitochondria extremely inefficient with energy. Wow. So it's just burning energy. Goes crazy.

55:30Sal Di Stefano:Like crazy. Or also known as like slowly killing you from the inside.

55:33Adam Schafer:Yeah, so it's a highly toxic industrial chemical that is extremely dangerous and unfit for human consumption. All of which is very enticing to bodybuilders. Like, oh, really? It's dangerous? But it doesn't kill you, right? Yeah, Doug, look up the history of DNPs for fat loss. so uh there was a book that was written in the night i want to say the 1990s uh by dan duquesne oh he talked about it yeah he was the first one to bring it up so dan duquesne was this guy who um wrote about experimental stuff the craziest steroid bible guy i don't know if it was a steroid bible that he wrote but it was a book that he wrote and he wrote about dmp right so anyway i have we have a buddy we all know who this guy is i asked him i'm like did you ever try he He goes, oh, yeah.

56:18Adam Schafer:Oh, yeah, dude. He said he took it, and he sat in his room, and he sweat like crazy. He said it was like the sheets would turn yellow from all the sweat. And he said you couldn't see the fat loss because you'd hold a little water. And he goes, and you'd work out, and you'd have no energy. Because, of course, your mitochondrial uncoupler, you have no energy left because your body's just burning it off. He's like, your workouts would suck. He goes, then you'd come off of it, and you would just be shredded. It's like you might die, but you'll be jacked. you're jacked on your way there and i'm like did you do you ever cool i'm like are you ever

56:51Sal Di Stefano:worried about dying all for all for a plastic trophy all for the coveted all for third place

56:57Adam Schafer:i hope he's listening right now yeah the idea that you're gonna you know what it is too is that

57:06Sal Di Stefano:i think of course it's the the trophy is is i guess somewhat but it's this idea that once you do that you can you can build this business so many so many people in the space i remember like that was like goal one go you know win and get the magazine cover yeah yeah and then you then you make all this money and it was like no you don't it doesn't work that way hey speaking of

57:28Adam Schafer:hacks i gotta share this is real fast hilarious hack that my wife did so she you know we homeschool our kids our two kids our two little ones and that could be a bit difficult right getting them organizing stuff on top of it during the day she has workouts that she wants to do and it can be difficult without using the tv to get the kids to do something so she could go work out type of deals sometimes we're out there with her but that makes her workouts you know broken or whatever so she's messages me she's like dude i have the best this is like the most amazing hack i'm like what'd you do she goes when i give the kids an assignment i'll tell like we'll tell our our you year old every time you complete a sentence mom has to do 10 lunges and so he's super motivated to get mom to do exercises meanwhile she gets her workout so the kids are doing their homework what next mom oh i gotta do rose that's pretty sneaky in between everything that's pretty smart

58:23Sal Di Stefano:they're doing their work and she's doing her katrina figured something out a while i don't know where she got i should ask her who she got it from uh like you know there's times when when he's off for a week or whatever and she's still at home she's got calls and stuff like that to make and same same thing doesn't want to put them on tv or stuff like that and so what works really well is and she'll know like obviously this is one of those days she's like i've got back-to-back calls for like three hours and i've got him home what do i do and so she'll plan ahead of time and that morning she'll set up like seven stations and they're timed and so it's like build a puzzle here you know cut out this thing and do this and so because it's like timed in their stations organized yeah and organized there's like it's almost gamifies it a little bit and so that's brilliant it is brilliant and it works so so a timer goes off yep move to the next station yes yeah and he gets excited about it like he can't he's that's brilliant yeah he can't wait to see

59:17Adam Schafer:what the stations are and i gotta share that with yeah and you know she makes some of them fun and

59:22Sal Di Stefano:some of them are school related and something like so it's like and she and she sets it all up like

59:28Adam Schafer:Yeah, because all that requires is you set up the stations. Oh, that's brilliant. I love that.

59:34Sal Di Stefano:And something about them having a certain time doing each one and the anticipation of the next one and all that. That's so cool. That's so cool. All right, one more thing I've got to share with you guys.

59:44Adam Schafer:I was reading some cool studies on some cool data on forgiveness and how that affects our own health and our own psyche. so obviously forgiveness is this is a big theme in the Christian faith it's a massive it's like the core theme but I looked up the science around it because I've read this before but I said let me pull up the data what does the data actually show on forgiveness versus unforgiveness and it's wild it's wild not forgiving people is essentially you're trying to kill yourself and through that process, you think you're hurting someone else. What it does to the body is it increases blood pressure, heart rate.

1:00:30Adam Schafer:It has terrible effects on cognition. The increased risk of illness, chronic illness, goes to the roof. It's literally one of the most unhealthy things you could do for yourself. It also is connected to other unhealthy behaviors. So when you're holding a grudge inside or unforgiveness inside, it leads to more substance abuse. It leads to more rage. It leads to less, a lowered ability to empathize and love the people that you want to actually love and empathize. And then forgiveness is so healing. It's so healing for people across the board. It's wild.

1:01:13Sal Di Stefano:Do you believe it's a skill?

1:01:15Adam Schafer:I believe, well, you want to know what I really think? It's a practice. I think in a secular sense well that would make it a skill I think in a secular sense true forgiveness for the hardest things because we could say forgive I could say oh the guy

1:01:29Sal Di Stefano:I'm setting you up for that because that's the next thing is that you know how many people say they do but then still are harboring here's the deal

1:01:36Adam Schafer:you cut me off in traffic you stole my tennis shoes you know I could without you said a thing I could like I could in a secular way try to forgive you oh he was in a hurry oh they're having a tough time you know oh they didn't mean it you know I could do that but some things It's impossible.

1:01:56Sal Di Stefano:Well, now the world of everything, like reinforcing your own bias and like your own, you know, thought process, you know, in social media, you don't see any forgiveness content.

1:02:06Adam Schafer:It's zero. Well, what I was going to say is I don't know if it's possible outside of a strong spiritual practice. I don't think so. No. In the Christian faith. It's not promoted at all. A big part of the faith is you realize quite strongly, and the longer you do this, the more you realize just how much you don't deserve his grace and his forgiveness. And the more you realize that, the easier it is for you to extend it to someone else. I don't see how that's possible without that, honestly. It's like somebody really does something bad to me or with my kids.

1:02:40Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

1:02:41Adam Schafer:Without that, impossible.

1:02:42Sal Di Stefano:But the physical ailment you carry as a result of that, that's what's really interesting. I know. Yeah, it'd be interesting to hear. I'd love to hear Katrina's perspective because it's one of the things I admire with her. She just has this. And what I see from the outside perspective, so again, it'd be interesting to hear it from her words, is part of that process of being, I think, being good at it is before you even have to forgive is actually reframing the situation that has happened to you and looking at it from a different perspective. In other words, person cut you off or did a thing to you or using something more egregious, did something to your family.

1:03:21Sal Di Stefano:Immediately looking at the potential positive or potential like like maybe they didn't mean for to do that. Like she has this incredible gift to like defer right away to like they probably you probably under you interpreted that the wrong way. I'm sure they meant it from this way. Like she has this ability. And then even if it is like spiteful, mean, all the things. Yeah. It has this ability to let go of it really quick. It's powerful. Yeah. I try to do as much as possible with like traffic where, you know, something will happen. And you're like, well, it probably saved me from a car crash. Or it saved me from something else that was going to like, you know, disrupt my entire life.

1:04:03Adam Schafer:So I get all that. And I understand all that. But then you meet someone who's like, this person sexually abused me my whole childhood. Yeah, that's... Okay. How do you forgive that? Oh, look at the positive stuff? No, no, no.

1:04:17Sal Di Stefano:It would look like this. Like, man, I bet that person was really hurt as a child.

1:04:22Adam Schafer:I know that's what they say. I know that's what they say.

1:04:24Sal Di Stefano:I'm telling you what I see. I watch it. I watch it in real time happen. The woman does it. And again, so what I don't know is like, it'd be interesting if she classifies that as a skill or to your point that it has a higher faith power thing that it's more connected to. But nonetheless... Because there has to be something transcendent. It's something that she is far better at than I am and I try and emulate because it's like it truly, or at least I see it kind of like a skill. It's like, man, it is difficult in those exact moments when it's happened to you or when you think... Because right away your mind goes to evil, awful, bad versus empathy where she goes, which is, man, that person must have been so hurt or damaged.

1:05:08Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, I get that.

1:05:09Adam Schafer:God, I could see how that would be so almost impossible. I think it would be impossible for me. If someone did something to one of my kids, without the transcendent, no way I'd be able to. There's no way. No way would I be able to. I mean, could I let go of trying to hurt that other person? Maybe. Could I let go of feeling a grudge towards them? I don't think so. I really don't without the transcendent now when I have you know a God in mind and I think of his grace uh then I think I can't because I know and like I said the more I follow the more I realize like I don't deserve an ounce of any of that uh but anyway it's really interesting when you look at just that even if you don't have any you know faith in any higher power whatever if you just look at the data it is one of the most poisonous things you could do well that you saw I know where

1:05:58Sal Di Stefano:you were going with that because I'm familiar with her which my point of bringing Katrina up is I just swear that's why she never gets sick she's so healthy she's just always positive I see front row seat of somebody who probably the person I know that does that better than anybody I know and her health her mindset her attitude is a function of that probably why she can put up with me

1:06:26Adam Schafer:oh yeah that's true

1:06:30Sal Di Stefano:I know you had a question. It's like, I don't know.

1:06:32Adam Schafer:Have you guys ever watched the movie? I know the answer is no, but I'll just ask anyway. Have you guys ever watched Les Miserables, the movie slash musical? Do I have to admit that? Do you guys know the story? It's a classic story. Okay. There's a scene in there. It's a really good story. It's an old story. But there's a scene in there where this man gets taken in by a priest. He needs a place to stay. He's a poor man, whatever. The priest takes him in. And this man who lived on the streets sees like this gold plated or gold like cutlery and stuff. And so when the priest goes to sleep, who tried to help him and feed him, he's like, I'm going to steal some of this.

1:07:13Adam Schafer:He takes some of it, runs off, gets caught by a police officer. Police officer's like, where'd you get this? And he's like, oh, he gave it to me. We'll see about that. Takes him back to the priest. And he goes, this man, and of course the priest is like, oh man, I housed you, I fed you, and now you stole from me. And he goes, this man, he says you gave this to him. Is that really what happened? And the priest goes, yeah, in fact, there's more I need to give him. Gives him more stuff, more gold, sends this guy off in his way. He's so transformed by this. This is part of the story. He's so transformed by this act of grace by this priest that he turns in, he becomes this really great man that helps all these other people.

1:07:51Adam Schafer:That's part of the story. So yeah, you guys should watch it. Yeah.

1:07:55Sal Di Stefano:Who's the main actor? Isn't there a big actor in that one? Hugh Jackman, right? Okay, that's what I'm talking about. Okay, maybe I will. Try to pretend I didn't see that movie. Honestly, I didn't see it, but I do know who was in it. It's a good movie. I did, yeah, yeah, yeah. You cried? I've seen the play, dude. I know you cried. I've seen more musicals than I'd like to admit, I'm going to be honest. It's not one of my, like, things I'd like to discuss. Is Courtney big into him? Is that why? Yeah. Or are you just quietly watching him on your own? I get invited. I just have a client that was big in the opera.

1:08:27Sal Di Stefano:I've never been to an opera. She gave me tickets to like, I don't know, dude. I appreciate art in general. So any form of it, I'm in. People, I mean, I think the last time I did something like that, you were just like, well, I can't believe you did that. I'm like, if you're talented in something, it's interesting to me. Especially if you're really talented in that thing. It doesn't even need to be a thing I'm really into. I think watching people do their craft. Do crazy things. At a high level. Yeah, at a very high level. Oh, I can get me interested, for sure.

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1:09:58Sal Di Stefano:Hi Kaylee.

1:09:59Adam Schafer:Hi Kaylee. Hello. How are you guys doing? Good. How can we help you? Good. Okay. So I'm just going to, like everybody else, I'm going to read my question. So I'm getting married November 11th. And my biggest goal is to look and feel my absolute best without sacrificing my health. I'm 32 and a half Hashimoto's. I recently started working with Vitabella to optimize my thyroid and address my low vitamin D. I grew up playing softball and volleyball, so I've always had a fairly muscular lower body. For the last couple of years, I've been lifting five days a week, three upper, two lower. But since listening to the podcast, I started doing MAPS symmetry.

1:10:40So I'm on week three, phase two. and then I was thinking about doing math aesthetic right now I'm about 185 190 pounds 32 % body fat I own a cleaning business so I get about 10 ,000 to 12 ,000 steps a day I'm eating 21 to 2400 calories about 170 grams of protein so if I was your client just want to know what do you recommend what am I doing right wrong

1:11:14Adam Schafer:anything thing. No, thanks for calling. I'm glad you're working on optimizing hormones. Um, I think, uh, for most people, maps aesthetic is just, uh, it's way too much volume, especially if you have a very busy job and you're already active. Um, I do like something like muscle mommy for you after map symmetry. How are you, how's map symmetry working for you right now, by the way? Uh, it's good. I actually don't have as much difference as I kind of thought it would. Um, I struggled phase one and then phase two has been good. Awesome. Okay. And when you say you want to look your best, be more descriptive, what does that look like for you?

1:11:55Adam Schafer:Do you have a body fat percentage goal or? I originally had a weight goal of like 170, but really the more I listen to you guys, the more I'm realizing like weight doesn't actually matter. uh so i probably i don't know 25 27 i totally doable i don't know yeah totally doable yeah you you're gonna be in you'll be in the reverse diet phase right now uh and trying to build before

1:12:22Sal Di Stefano:we go into a cut what are your what are your strengths like on your lifts like the big lifts like squat deadlift what are you what are you doing i was afraid you'd ask me this um because Because the program that I've been doing, it didn't include really squats and deadlifts. It was a lot of single leg... What the heck? I can't even think of what they're called. Lunges? Deadlifts? No. Toe touch? The one that you... Step ups. Oh, step ups. Step ups. Yeah. So I'm doing a lot of single leg step ups. And it was like 190-ish. and then I was doing leg press and I was like over 500 pounds.

1:13:05RDLs is like 135-ish. I've been afraid to -

1:13:10Sal Di Stefano:You're strong. Okay. Yeah, you're really strong. You're really strong and if we start squatting and deadlifting, this is going to be really good. You're in a good place.

1:13:19Adam Schafer:If you're averaging about 24 to 2 ,500 calories, I think if we can get you up to 29, closer to 3000 and then cut down to let's say 21 22 i think you would see a nice consistent body comp change okay but i'd want to reverse diet you before uh bringing you down yeah we

1:13:37Sal Di Stefano:got good time right now yeah you got november's wedding time um i wouldn't start to cut until literally uh mid to late october the last four to four to five weeks would be the cut right now would be the reverse, like Sal's saying. So up until mid-October, we would be on a slow reverse diet. Because during that, if we do this correctly, incrementally, and getting stronger, we'll probably hover around the same weight, but you'll feel leaner, tighter.

1:14:04Adam Schafer:You'll probably drop a couple percent by the way. Yeah, you'll lean out.

1:14:07Sal Di Stefano:You'll build muscle. And so you'll see progress in the right direction as far as your physique changing. And then the final four weeks going into the wedding would be the cut. That would be the cut. Okay. Yeah.

1:14:19Adam Schafer:Especially, are you, before you got on the phone with our partners at MP Hormones, were you already taking thyroid or are you not? Yes, I was. I've been taking it for, I've had Hashimoto's for five years. I've had hypothyroidism for 20. Okay. Okay. What are you taking, Synthroid? So, yeah. No, I've been levothyroxine. Okay. Okay. And liothanine. Okay, good. But yeah, no, this will be great, but it's going to be reverse diet and then cut. Very straightforward. Where you will mess this up, okay? Here's where you're going to mess this up if you mess it up, is you're going to do too much. Yeah. Okay.

1:14:59Adam Schafer:Okay, because if you do too much, you won't get there faster. You'll get there slower. You'll still see some results. Your athletic background, you're strong. You probably have a high tolerance for training volume. You're an athlete, so you probably got good genetics for that. So you'll feel like you're getting away with it like it's working, but it's going to set you up for failure later. And so what you oftentimes see, especially this is very common for wedding goals. Okay. Very common for wedding goals. People get to a particular body for their wedding. And then the following six months to a year, they rebound and worse than they started out.

1:15:38Adam Schafer:And so oftentimes that's because they just did a lot more too much than was necessary and it just wasn't sustainable. Okay. And MAPS Aesthetic is a great program, but it is a competitive level amount of volume. And people, when they hear that, what they think is, oh, competitive level volume, I'm going to get there faster. No, no, no. That means that it's not appropriate for the vast majority of people. Now, if you've been living your life like a bodybuilder for the last four years and everything's geared towards that and this is what you do, then that kind of volume might be okay. But for 90%, probably 5 % of people, it's just way too much.

1:16:21Adam Schafer:Muscle mommy is a decent amount of volume. So it's moderate to high, whereas aesthetic is high to very high. And I think muscle mommy will give you way better results. okay yeah because i want like you know the delts and then yep badass and you know that we got that in yeah we got you if you don't have muscle mommy i'll send that to you no i don't okay i'll send that over to you and then if if you want to like nail it down if you want like hey i'm gonna i'm gonna just i want someone to coach me we have great coaches and so that's another option you can be like hey can you work with me up until my wedding day and then they'll just dial everything in through the whole process if you want some support like that okay cool all right all right thank you guys appreciate your help you got it thanks for calling in we'll send that to you bye-bye everybody always goes to the most extreme

1:17:17Sal Di Stefano:programs i know yeah you know it's funny you can see when she said it she knew it she's like i know you're gonna say yeah i feel like she knew she knew the cool part is she's strong and she hasn't been squatting and deadlifting, putting her on a reverse diet, leaning into those big lifts, she's going to see great results. Great results.

1:17:36Adam Schafer:But I'm going to say this. This is like so common. Okay. And people listening know what I'm talking about. You get quote unquote in shape for your wedding and then you fall way out of shape after the wedding, the following year or two or three. And it's because we aim so hard for this target of this day and we do way more than we can ever possibly sustain, way more than what is effective. And when we're out of it and things are settled and we're married and whatever, then we quote unquote relax and we get this massive rebound. And this is so common that I would see it with people who try to hire me for their wedding, but I would see it more often when people would hire me after their wedding.

1:18:17Adam Schafer:And they would say to me, like, I got in shape for my wedding. That was two years ago. Then I gained 30 pounds. And then we're working through this process. Our next caller is Olivia from Toronto. Olivia. How are you doing, Olivia? What's happening? Good. How are you? Good. How can we help you? Okay, so I wrote it out, so I stay on track. So I'm just going to read it for you guys. Do it. So I've been consistently training for about seven years, and I've worked with coaches for the last four. I spent two years with one coach before switching to another who has experience coaching Olympic athletes.

1:18:48I've been very committed over the years. I completed 75 hard, have tracked my nutrition diligently, and have followed plans at both extremes. At one point, I was essentially in contest prep conditions with carbs down in the double digits and 60 minutes of cardio six days a week. On the other end, I've also spent long periods reverse dieting and bringing up calories substantially before slowly cutting again. Despite trying multiple approaches with experienced coaches, I've never been able to achieve the level of leanness that I feel like I should be able to reach. I'm currently training to become a firefighter while working full-time as a 911 dispatcher.

1:19:24So I have a fairly stressful lifestyle and shift work to balance. My biggest issue right now that I'm facing is that I'm completely burnt out with training. I used to love being in the gym and had to force myself to take rest days. But now it's the complete opposite where I feel like I have to force myself to go almost every workout and I don't enjoy it anymore. and I'm hoping that you can help me figure out why I seem so resistant to leaning out despite years of structured training and nutrition and how to regain my enjoyment with training without sacrificing my firefighting performance goals and if it's primarily a programming issue a recovery issue a stress issue or if something bigger that I'm missing Olivia recovery thanks for calling in

1:20:04Adam Schafer:I'm sorry you're in this place that really sucks yes sounds like it was a passion of yours and now you're like hey what's going on yeah why do you think why do you think you feel so burnt out i think i feel burnt out because i spent so long being so accurate with tracking didn't miss any workouts like would skip outings to go to the gym um and i just like never got to the results that i thought i was gonna get to so i feel like it just burnt me out where i felt like oh if i just don't put all this time and effort into it i look the same anyways so i just like completely turned me off from going.

1:20:39And now I'm like in the biggest gym rut that I've ever been in. Like usually it passes after a few weeks, but it's been like months where I'm like, I don't even care to go to the gym anymore.

1:20:49Adam Schafer:Yeah. I'm going to ask you a crazy sounding question, but you have to pick one. Okay. Okay. Okay. What would you rather have a love and passion, uh, for fitness and nutrition that feels relaxed, comfortable, and one that you can sustain or the ultimate goal of how you want to look? I feel like I don't know because I've never been to the point of being like looking how I want to look. So I don't know what mentality I have when it comes to that. But I definitely know that I do miss having the passion for the gym and being in the gym. Like I definitely feel the mental switch of like not being as passionate.

1:21:31And I definitely miss that. So I would say based on what I do know, I would go with regaining my passion for the gym.

1:21:38Adam Schafer:Good. It was a trick question. The answer you just gave is going to give you what you want. Yeah. Okay. So you're going to have to break free a little bit of your old ways, that old friend that you have, the comfort you find in beating yourself up and how you separate yourself from your peers, being able to outwork them and out, you know, train anybody and get after it. And you're really young, but your body is telling you it's burnt. If you keep doing the cycle of pushing yourself that you've done since you were a kid, you're going to get some real bad hormone issues as you get into your late 20s and your mid 30s.

1:22:15Adam Schafer:And it's going to be very difficult to repair. This is actually a good sign. It's a good sign that you feel burnt out because your body is stopping you from getting to that place. And by the way, your body will want to hold on to body fat yeah when you're doing that it's just going to want to hold on to it do you know why your body wants to do that no because it's a protective mechanism you need it you need your fertility you need those things and so what we got to do is a totally different approach i i even want to i

1:22:44Sal Di Stefano:want to push back a little bit too on the you you said you've been from like each extreme as far as like, you know, you're trying to get shredded 12, 1200 calories, stair master training like crazy. And then you've been on the other extreme reverse dieting. And when you were reverse dieting, what did your training look like? Um, uh, so I, my best reverse, I would say was when I switched coaches to the one that has like Olympic clients and he completely pulled my cardio. And I think like my weight just fell off so quick. Um, so I wasn't really doing much cardio, just like walks and stuff um but nothing intense and then like training was the same like maybe four days a week during my reverse is your coach mainly an exercise coach yes well like bodybuilding coach but i stopped working with him a couple months ago just because i've been in such a rut but yeah

1:23:37Adam Schafer:he's a bodybuilding coach okay okay um because i'd love to have you work with one of our coaches and fix this problem. And they can help you with workout programming as well. We got to get that passion back. We got to get your body back on track, feeling good, hormones balanced, dopamine, serotonin, back where they need to be so that you fall back in love with this. And what it'll feel like, I'm just going to encourage you, Olivia, when you do this right, compared to what you've done in the past, here's what it's going to feel like. This is what you're going to say to yourself. How is this working?

1:24:10Adam Schafer:I feel like I'm barely doing anything. easy almost what is going on it feels like my body just wants to respond i'm not even doing anything even though you are but compared to what you've done in the past it's going to feel like that because you've taken a very hard approach in the past which was just uh ineffective and and really you got away with it for a while because probably your tenacity and your age and you probably have good um some good athletic genetics at some point it just runs out and that's why you're in this place right now, but with good coaching, it'll probably take, uh, you said that you've been in about a few months of feeling like this.

1:24:48Yeah. It's definitely been probably like six months that I've been feeling like this.

1:24:52Adam Schafer:It's going to probably take about six to nine months, uh, of changing things up to get you feeling like you're on fire again. Yeah. Okay. Um, and that will look like some reverse dieting. It'll look like a strength training. That's going to look like you need to be patient what you're going to fight olivia is when you start to feel that spark come back because the spark will start to come back sooner than six months or nine months with if we do this right you'll feel that within 30 days you'll be like oh god i feel like i want to go to the gym again fight the urge to go crazy in the gym fight the urge to

1:25:24Sal Di Stefano:do your old stuff again well this is why you have the coach i mean this is where the coach will will talk you from from doing that because if you just set we just set you on your way this this is what the pattern that happens is we you start to feel that motivation and then all of a sudden you go back into a lot of the other behaviors that that got us here in the first place that's right so your coach will walk you through this and just so you know olivia because you're young you've

1:25:44Adam Schafer:been doing this for a while which i love one of my favorite things to do is get my hands on somebody who's your age who's been doing this for a while because it's just we can really change the trajectory in a radical way you know at 23 versus when i get someone at 43 um yeah we could really radically change this and what this will look like for the rest of your life is probably 85 percent of the time you're cruising 15 of the time you're sprinting now what you've probably done most of your life is 85 sprinting 15 cruising because you're forced to yeah we're going to flip that on its head and that's what it's always going to look like and you'll have the best body and the best relationship with this that you could ever imagine but this is you think i was just going too hard on the gas which is why my body wasn't responding 100 are you kidding me yeah 100 for

1:26:33Sal Di Stefano:For sure. 100%. There's never, okay, someone your height and where you're at and your background should never see 1 ,200 calories. 75 hard is completely inappropriate. 60 minutes of cardio, completely inappropriate. I mean, there's so many things that are just.

1:26:50Adam Schafer:Just so you know, like, you know, you could go hardcore, crazy training, crazy cardio, crazy strength training, but you're doing it for like a block of like six weeks, eight weeks. Yeah. This isn't where you're living. So what you've probably done is you've lived there for as long as you can until your body forces you to slow down. And by that point, you've dug such a deep hole that you've got to really come out of it, and it feels like a nightmare.

1:27:17Sal Di Stefano:You barely want to peak like that with that kind of intensity. The beauty of this, on the other side of this, is the body you've always wanted doing a fraction. Did you see the post I just did yesterday of Katrina? Yes. That's the difference. She was the running 10 to 15 miles, plyometric, and having to keep her calories low. And that always kind of met. But she never had the body she wanted. She always was like, I feel boxy, and I don't feel bulky, and I don't like the way I look. Like weight training, higher calorie, more appropriate, changed her hormone profile, changed the shape of her body.

1:27:53Sal Di Stefano:And it's like a fraction of the effort and work she has to put into that.

1:27:56Adam Schafer:And then if you want to do a little sprint of eight weeks or 10 weeks, you get after it and you're able to accomplish things that you never could before. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. The problem is like, I know that that discipline lives inside of me. Like I, it was probably like a year that I did not go a gram off my meal plan, like very, very strict. And I was very disciplined and I wasn't tempted to go off of it. Like I was enjoying what I was doing, but I feel like I've gotten to the point where I'm like, I don't even want to do that anymore. but I know that that discipline lives inside me and I want to find it again and enjoy it.

1:28:27Adam Schafer:There's a line between discipline and dysfunction. I want you to understand that. Discipline is great, but it can definitely cross over into dysfunction when discipline becomes your identity. So you do have that gear, obviously. You do have that discipline. We need to point it in the right direction. Yeah. And so if we point it in this direction, and trust me, it's going to challenge your discipline because I'm telling you right now, 30 days in, you're going to be like, oh, hell yeah, I'm on fire. Let's go. And your coach is going to tell you, no, don't you dare. Stay on this course. You'll be like, I have all this energy.

1:29:01Adam Schafer:Like, I can do it. And you're like, no, you're going to stay where you're at. That's going to be, you're going to have to apply your discipline in that direction. Yeah. What do you do for a living? Do you work? Yeah, I'm a 911 dispatcher. And I'm training to get into firefighting. Okay, good. This will be great. This is going to be such a good skill for you because you know this better than we do, but in that field, the people who are successful, most successful in that field, do one thing very well. They manage stress. Yeah. Okay? Because firefighters, emergency workers, shift workers, they burn out.

1:29:36Adam Schafer:It's a very common thing. Burnout, injury, hormone dysfunction. The ones who can do it manage stress and recovery very well. So this is like perfect timing right before we get in there. We got you. Yeah. And then another thing I wanted to ask is, so right now, like in general, what my shift work looks like is five on, five off. So my night shifts are 14 hours and my day shifts are 10 hours. So what I've been doing is on my working days, I don't work out. I just do like active, like walks or like something small. And then on my off days is when I'm training. Do you think that's a good way to? you're on the right track.

1:30:15Adam Schafer:You're definitely on the right track. Definitely on the right track. It'll be much more structured, much more individualized. What your coach is going to probably do, like if I was working with you, I have a good idea of how I'd start you, but then I'd monitor you and adjust, uh, uh, on the fly, but you're on the right track. Definitely. Like more of you'll be, you'll be able to apply more exercise stress on your days off far less on the days where you work. Um, and so you're totally on the right track. Okay. Okay. That's good to know. Yeah. Olivia, let me have somebody call you. Okay. Sounds good.

1:30:47Adam Schafer:And then if I got your permission, I'd like to hop on some of these calls and say hi to you. Yeah. Yeah, of course. Let's go. Sounds good. All right. Let's go. All right, Olivia. Thank you guys. Appreciate it. You got it. I love when I hear a young 20 something year old be like, I've been doing this for years. I want to learn how to do it right. When you get your hands on somebody this age, the changes you can make that just change the trajectory of their life is phenomenal. And I've had a few clients like this. It's great.

1:31:14Sal Di Stefano:Probably a MAPS 15 protocol is more appropriate for her right now. I mean, with that type of a schedule that she has.

1:31:20Adam Schafer:Which will be such a hard thing for her to do. It'll be a huge shift for her, yeah.

1:31:23Sal Di Stefano:Oh, yeah. Go do two or two lists. It'd be really beneficial for her recovery.

1:31:27Adam Schafer:By the way, with her mentality, of course she wants to do it. Yeah, of course.

1:31:32Sal Di Stefano:Thankfully, she's super resilient right now. So our next caller is Alana from New Jersey. Hi, Alana. How you doing, Alana? Hi, guys. Oh, this is surreal. How can we help you? Welcome. I'm going to do what everybody else does. I'm going to say first, thank you for all the information. You guys are fantastic. I'm so happy I found you. And I'm just going to read directly from the question to the same time. Let's go. Let's get it. So I'd like some advice on how to move forward and some explanation after disheartening DEXA. I'm going to give you as much info as possible. I'm 38, 5 '4", 113 pounds. I have a history of eating disorders in my 20s where I was eating like 1 ,000 calories a day.

1:32:13And then aside from that very restrictive eating, about 1 ,500 calories a day since I was 14. So two years ago, I started working with a coach to go through my first bulk and cut cycle. It went really well. I had my first DEXA after that, and it was 24 % body fat, even though I was four pounds heavier than when I started. So that was a win. And then after my year with my coach, I stayed at maintenance and then tried another cut and got down to 20.1 % body fat. And then I wanted to do a traditional bulk and cut cycle on my own. So I bumped up my calories from 2150 maintenance to 2200. So it wasn't enough really to be considered a bulk, but I was scared to kind of do it on my own.

1:32:59But I did, you know, like 30 minutes a day, five days a week split, um, made a ton of rep and weight PRs, uh, 10 K steps a day, strength definitely increased. Uh, and all of a sudden I could do unassessed pull-ups and I have a home gym. So I, you know, I chest press like a hundred pounds because I have no one to spot me, but like, I felt good about that. Um, so, so things looked like they were going in the right direction. And then, um, I did a 10 week cut at 17 to 1800 calories. Um, and I hate cuts because of the history of the eating disorders, they can be kind of triggering, but you know, I did it.

1:33:39I kept my lip, my lifts, they were all maintained. I bumped up the steps like two or 13, uh, uh, two or 3000 steps more. Um, and I thought I looked great. Like, like all of a sudden I had muscle definition, my shoulders are bigger, you know, compared to pictures, everything looked like it was in the right direction. And then I got another DEXA scan. And it showed me that I had increased my body fat 1%. And that I'd only gained point three pounds of muscle mass. And I thought, like, how the heck could that be possible? And I know there, you know, there's a margin for error and all that. But, you know, and everything was, you know, protein was kept high.

1:34:20Sleep is seven and a half hours on average. Um, and my goal was like 18 to 19 % body fat. So, um, I guess I'm just asking a couple of questions, right? Um, what happened with the DEXA? Um, how can I be more, I guess, confident in reverse dieting to know when I've hit my maintenance, when I've hit a true bulk. Um, and also what maps program would you suggest? Cause I don't have any of them.

1:34:50Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, good question.

1:34:51Adam Schafer:Thanks for calling in.

1:34:52Sal Di Stefano:Alana, what do your steps look like on a regular basis? What's your activity level? It's about 12 ,000 to 13 ,000 steps. Okay, that's what I would have guessed. That's the only cardio I do.

1:35:01Adam Schafer:So let's go back. You mind if I ask you some more questions and we'll go back a little bit? Yeah. When you worked with the coach and you did your first, you know, when you said you were able to bump your calories, body fat at 24%, that process, that whole process, what was that experience like for you? It was awesome. It was especially the reverse diet that she put me on initially because I was eating 1500 calories a day. And, you know, she was bumping me up 100 calories every week or so. And I was actually watching the scale go down. It was like my metabolism wasn't, you know, so suppressed anymore.

1:35:31And it was it was really cool.

1:35:33Adam Schafer:What were the scary parts of it? It was the weight gain. I had never been at a point in my life where I was purposefully trying to gain weight. So that's why I was so happy to have her because she would talk me down from the ledge of like, no, this is normal. This is what we want. You need to gain mass. And that's going to mean the scale is going to go up. Yeah, for sure. And logically, you know all that. But let's say you tried that on your own without the coach. do you think you would have stopped at some point? I guess so. I guess so. Because when I did try to do the bulk on my own, I went from like 2150 to 2250.

1:36:12It was like a hundred calorie increase me thinking, Oh, that's enough. That's going to do. And I know now thanks to you guys, that was not, that was not enough.

1:36:20Adam Schafer:Totally. Totally. And then when you did that and you felt good, you're like, man, I'm strong. I got energy. What was the, what convinced you to try to cut the calories again to 1700? You know, it was the fact that I wanted to get down to that, you know, 18 to 19 % body fat. It really was kind of like a vanity metric, you know? So I thought, oh, like, you know, I have good muscle. Let me just do another quick cut to get it down. But it did not pan out the way. Yeah, no, it totally makes sense. And I totally get how you feel through this process. there's a disconnect that happens with this with people who struggle with You know either a fear of gaining or fear of losing that was me Where there's a disconnect between your mind which is what you know what's right and also your heart Which is what you feel so it's like I know this is the right thing, but oh my god This is scary and it doesn't feel right type of deal first off I'm gonna encourage you the it was it's well within the margin of error your DEXA scan was well within the margin of error.

1:37:21Adam Schafer:Okay. So what you probably did is you cut your calories and still maintained. So nothing happened. The only thing that happened is you ate less. Now I'm going to tell you what could have happened. What could have happened is you continue to reverse diet and you would have got better and better results. Yeah. But that's what I'm doing now. But it's scary. Yeah. It's a scary process. So I'll tell you what I think you need to do, but I'll, and then I'll tell you what I think will work best. you. What you need to do is you need to stop focusing on cutting for a while. And I want you to think, build, build, build, build.

1:37:56Adam Schafer:I'm going to build my body. I'm not going to cut my body. I'm going to build my body. And it's actually going to give you what you're looking for. Your calories are, you know, five, four with as much as you exercise and as consistent as you are, you probably don't ever miss a workout. Uh, you're, you, you're going to get your calories up in the high 2000s. Yep. Maybe even three. Right now I'm at, so since the initial email, I've gone from at the beginning of June, 2150, to right now I'm at 2400 and I've only gained like a pound, a pound and a half. So through this process, you're going to need to stop weighing yourself.

1:38:36Adam Schafer:Now, there's nothing wrong with weighing yourself because what you're weighing, a pound could be whatever, could be muscle probably, could be water, but building into the body you want, your height and weight is probably going to look like a heavier weight, but you're leaner. You're leaner, you're stronger, and you look better, but you're going to be heavier on the scale. The scale probably messes you up and I would imagine you probably weigh yourself daily. How many times a day do you weigh yourself? Be honest. Just one in the morning. Just one? Yeah. Okay. So every single day you weigh yourself and that number is going to mess you up on this process.

1:39:13Adam Schafer:24 is still low. I can see you getting up to like 28, 29, maybe even 3000, maybe higher. That's exciting. Yeah. And you'll be really surprised at how you feel and how you look with that. But it's going to be a bit of a process. The one thing that the coach did with you that I think was that you mentioned that was really valuable, and I'd love your opinion on this, is the talking you off the ledge through the process. Yeah. Yeah. So if we're going to do this right, you're going to probably need to work with a coach again, probably for the next six months or so to be able to do this properly. Because through this process, you're going to want to stop.

1:39:51Adam Schafer:You're going to get up to 25, maybe 25.50, maybe 26. Okay, this is high enough to cut. Let me get back on a cut type of deal. And you're going to totally thwart the potential progress. So you're going to be moving up for a while without a single cut. meanwhile accomplishing body comp change through that process so what would you suggest like six months it's it's we're probably looking at six to nine months of just strength and building without a single cut and you think you think upwards of 28 29 how do you know how do you know when when the upper limit is i mean i don't know for sure but based on my experience and working with people like you, your height, your size.

1:40:35Adam Schafer:Uh, I, and you, like I said, you're consistent with your workouts. You take a lot of steps every single day. That's typically where we fall typically. So, but I don't know, could be higher. I mean, there are some, some young women we've worked with, uh, who built muscle very well doing this, who got them, we got them in the low to mid three thousands and they were smaller than you are. that's i love i love the it's that's the thing like i i wanted to come on here and almost i hate to say it but like get the permission that that was not too high it's not

1:41:10Sal Di Stefano:it's not let me tell you what's gonna be difficult this is uh so close to home for me because this is uh your numbers are almost right in line with corinne when we first started the hard part is going to be this when i when i bump you 200 calories or 300 calories one week uh you're going through your cycle uh you see the scale you decide to get on there after i told you not to and you see four pounds go up and on top of that you feel fluffy or you see water weight and you feel for sure we're putting body fat on and we're totally fine and i know we're totally fine that's going to be the hard part and that's going to happen through this process and so preparing yourself mentally for those weeks that you'll have um is important this is where the coach will come in really really handy is and this is where she leans on me a lot is like you you have a um distorted vision of yourself just like she does like she sees herself differently like she'll tell me oh my god i feel this way i'm like you're crazy i'm looking at you and you look great and we're doing great and we're fine you're holding a little bit of water we're on our period right now Relax.

1:42:20Sal Di Stefano:You know what I'm saying? The water is going to come right out in about four days, and you're going to all of a sudden feel way better. So relax. We're doing good. Stay the course. And so that's the difficult part of what – but what Sal is saying, easily we could get up to 27, 20 – easily 27, 20, 100, maybe more than that. And that will actually drop the body fat percentage. So what it will probably look like is five, six more pounds on the scale and a lower body fat percentage and higher calories. And you'll love the way you look, but it'll take some time because, again, and we're all guilty of this, by the way, too.

1:42:56Sal Di Stefano:I know we're sitting here talking to you, but I'm guilty of this. We all pick our own bodies apart. And when you look in the mirror, you can't help but look right at your flaw right away first. You don't look at the positive things that's happening. And so it helps just to have a second pair of eyes that's reminding you, like, no, you look great. You're doing great. That's normal. And just stay the course. but yeah it's a it's a few months down the road but it's definitely a higher calorie place a lot

1:43:20Adam Schafer:more muscle and a lot easier too yeah do you just to give you a even more of an extreme example Atlanta what's your so your body weight right now what are you weighing right now 113 okay so you're 113 body fat percentage is sitting right around low to mid 20s

1:43:35Sal Di Stefano:yeah it's probably 20 21 her stats are almost identical so let's say you're 21 body fat right

1:43:40Adam Schafer:now. Okay. And let's say you gained 10 pounds on the scale. So now you're 123 and your body fat percentage is still 21%. I'm going to tell you what happened. Okay. You gained muscle and you also gained some body fat. 21 % of 123 is more pounds of body fat than 21 % of 113. Does that make sense? Yes. So you still gain body fat, but your body fat percentage remained the same. But here's the difference. You're heavier on the scale. You might even feel bigger in your clothes. You look great. And you've got a much faster metabolism. And this is tough for a lot of people because they see the scale, they feel their genes and they're like, uh, I know my body fat percentage is right around the same, but I'm heavier.

1:44:26Adam Schafer:I feel bigger and they freak out, but you're crushing, you're kicking butt. So your mentality has got to go more towards strength and muscle. You're going to really make that switch. And that's what'll make this work. and it's going to set you up. What's going to set you up for good hormones, good energy, great libido, great motivation. I can eat more. I'm flexible with my diet. I mean, I can eat at 3000 calories, which means I can go out on the weekend and enjoy a few things and it doesn't bother me. I don't have to like keep my hands on the steering wheel so tight. That's what it's going to feel like.

1:44:55Adam Schafer:But you got to be okay with and understand that the scale might look different. Yeah. Yeah. I think that was the thing that bothered me is like I felt all of the right things, but then it said I almost gained no muscle mass. I was like, how could that be? Like my shoulders are way bigger than they were. And I liked the way that I looked. I was like, I don't know how that could be. Yeah, this is when DEXA scans can be a real pain in the ass. I mean, it also happens.

1:45:20Sal Di Stefano:It happens also too when you've been running too low of calorie for a very long time. I don't know if you've listened to the episode when I revealed Corinne's first DEXA scan. That happened to us. I was so excited because she was hitting PR We were doing everything that was supposed to happen. And she put weight on and it was all body fat, zero muscle. Imagine me, who've been doing this as long as I have, coaching her. I tell her to get the DEXA scan because I'm excited. Oh, man, did I feel it was just too soon. Because I hadn't got her body in a place that it needed to be, balanced and hormonally where it needed to go.

1:45:54Sal Di Stefano:She needed to put body fat percentage on before we started to put muscle on. I jumped the gun and had that reading too early. And so it's very possible. And what that is is your body signaling, it needed more body fat. It needs more calories. And so you can see a lot of things like in the gym, positive, and you can feel like they're moving positive, and then you go do a dex scan and it goes, no, we just put body fat on right now because we need it.

1:46:15Adam Schafer:And here's the crazy thing. We let a number tell us how we're supposed to feel, even though we feel good. So it's like, man, I feel great. And then you get this report card and you're like, no, I don't feel great. It's like, this means nothing. I feel amazing. I feel strong. I look good. So, um, so that's the, that's the prescription. Uh, I don't think it'll, I think you're going to have a tough time doing it by yourself. That's fair. I think, I think it would be a good idea for you to work with a coach for six to nine months, uh, and then get used to the process. And then at the end of it, it won't be so hard.

1:46:51Okay.

1:46:52Adam Schafer:Okay. Can I have somebody call you? Yeah. All right. That'd be great. All right. And also what, um, what maps program would you suggest?

1:46:59Sal Di Stefano:They're going to customize it for you. Okay, cool. That's all included, and then they'll customize it just for you. Awesome. You're going to do good. Yep. Thank you.

1:47:10Adam Schafer:Thanks for calling in. Of course. Bye. Recording. Yeah, that's tough. I mean, even if she didn't go more on a reverse side, if she just stayed at the 2250, she would have done way better.

1:47:24Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, I mean, the fact that they – I'm surprised the coach let her cut. How would have been?

1:47:28Adam Schafer:No, he didn't. Or she didn't. When she was with the coach, it was reverse diet. This is when she did it on her own.

1:47:34Sal Di Stefano:Oh, because I was like, man, she should have just kept going. Totally. That's what I would have done. I mean, she saw the scale go down while she was increasing calories.

1:47:44Adam Schafer:She went from 21.50 to 22.50. That was her bulk. It was 100 extra calories.

1:47:49Sal Di Stefano:I mean, these are Corinne numbers. Yep. She weighs almost the exact same on the scale, similar in height, uh similar in the calorie maintenance similar in the steps uh yeah very very very similar and you know i'm constantly trying to push corinne to the high 2000 calories and this is the pushback i get is like it feels like a lot you know and you go through that phase of it feels fluffy it feels

1:48:14Adam Schafer:uncomfortable um sometimes one of the best things to do with people like that uh is to completely take them away from body comp completely take them away from aesthetics and move them completely towards performance you're going to do a power lifting competition so you just don't even think

1:48:29Sal Di Stefano:about that the hardest thing to bring the hardest part about that though is that that's the thing that they that they want i know what i'm saying so it's like that's what i mean it's like you gotta we gotta want something else for a little while yeah yeah to ask them to let go of the reason why they're wanting you to help them is to get to a certain place and then you go like we're going

1:48:45Adam Schafer:to completely not focus on that is a really tough thing totally yeah our next caller is joey from tennessee joey hey what's happening buddy hey guys how's it going good man good right what's up big dad good hey guys so sorry in advance i got my got my hands full today no worries beautiful family have our have our little have our little four-year-old and then we got a little seven-month-old here so uh basically my question is uh how to how to how to get started uh how to stay consistent because of you know these two and then my work schedule i try to wake up early on days that i don't work hang on baby hang on and um it's just i'm not quite able to like i try to set my alarm for 4 30 or 5 o 'clock and every day i just i can't it's it's hard i i'm not an not an early morning riser and i can't i feel that yep i can't get to the garage and get to the i've got a garage jam i can't i can't get myself up and motivated to to get up and going that early in the morning even though i my work schedule is a six to six on my days off i'm i'm ready to sleep in a little bit um so i was wondering would it be better to to get more quality sleep or would it be better to just stay up a little bit later and get a workout in at night since I have a gym in the garage.

1:50:17Adam Schafer:Yeah. Good question. And you mind if I read through your email a little bit just for absolutely. Okay. So, um, so you got what's happening right now. You've been consistent before, but we're finding now is you're, it's very hard to be consistent. You work a rotating shift. Yes. Okay. And what this looks like is 30, it was a 36 hours, one week and 48 hours the next week. And the work schedule rotates every 28 days. So 6 a.m. to 6 p.m. for 28 days, and then you go 6 p.m. to 6 a.m. for 28 days. Correct? And you also got kids, little ones. We got two little ones. Do you know why it's hard for you to wake up and work out?

1:51:00I'm just exhausted. Yeah, man. First of all, you're a good man.

1:51:06Adam Schafer:You're doing good stuff, bro. You're prioritizing the right things. What we need to do is we need to use exercise in a way to improve your quality of life. Okay? So we got to look at it that way. I'll tell you what it looks like.

1:51:18Sal Di Stefano:And it's going to be a lot less than what you think. I'll tell you what it looks like. It's MAPS 15 when you can. And it's when you're home at 6 o 'clock at night. It's not trying to get up early and disrupt the sleep patterns that you already have disrupted. It's when you have the time. And what it looks like, actually, because you have kids and they're probably still going to be awake even when he comes straight home from work, is you go in the garage and you maybe even bring them or you bring the little one. This was when Max, we would set up his little table to be playing with Play-Doh. And then I would do one or two sets.

1:51:53Sal Di Stefano:And then I'd be playing with him for 10, 15 minutes. I'd have a 10, 15-minute rest between the next set. That's okay. You know what I'm saying? And it's okay if you only get one exercise done and then you're back in the house for a while and you're taking stuff and then you go back and you do another. Like, give yourself the permission to lift like that. It's actually really good. It's totally okay. And with a MAPS 15 type of protocol, you're only knocking out two exercises a day. And so when you come in and out of the workout, those two exercises could take you two hours because you're doing stuff, which is totally okay.

1:52:27Sal Di Stefano:Or you do it all at once. It takes you 20 minutes. Yeah, or sometimes the kids are totally engulfed in the Play-Doh and having a good time and one's maybe napping. And you get both exercises done in the 15, 20 minutes you're supposed to, and you're done. But give yourself the permission for it to look like that.

1:52:40Adam Schafer:Now, if you're really tired and you're really exhausted, you skip that day and you just jump back on the next day.

1:52:46Sal Di Stefano:I was going to say, too, within the MAPS 15, it has like an advanced and the regular programming where you actually have like a TRX suspension trainer. I think some days, too, if you feel like a little less intensity would be appropriate, I would do that plan and then kind of alternate and toggle between the two.

1:53:06Adam Schafer:Basically what it looks like, Joey, is just a little bit every day. Yeah. That's it. Okay. And the days you skip, you just jump back on. So along that line. Go ahead. Yeah, sorry. Along that line, I've got Maps Prime. How would you, and also have, I mean, I've got a lot of y 'all stuff. How would you incorporate, or would you even worry about trying to incorporate Maps Prime and then also the No BS six-pack formula. You're not going to add the No BS six-pack formula. With Prime, if you have any issues where you notice mobility issues, you can practice at any time of the day. You're at work, whatever.

1:53:49Adam Schafer:You practice some of the mobility movements that are in there. That's it. But otherwise, the Mass 15 workout is just a workout. Okay. So like last week I went, I set up my barbell because I got this one down for a nap. And as soon as I started, I kind of did maybe two warm-up sets and then started my first working set. And as soon as I did, she woke up. Of course. So I ended up kind of settling her down 30 minutes later. Would I just go back straight to a working set? Yes, right back to it. Even if it's 30 minutes and I'll go. Yes, yes, totally. Yes, totally. So your warm-up is designed really to kind of make your body move the way it should.

1:54:37Adam Schafer:So it kind of helps with what's called muscle recruitment patterns. A warm-up or connecting actually lasts for a few hours. Now, the stronger you are, the less true this is. So if you're out there warming up to do a 350-pound squat, then you might want to do another warm-up set before you jump into it. so the stronger you get the more careful you got to be with your warm-up but if you're like just trying to string some days of exercise together i wouldn't worry about it

1:55:07also i got some blood work done uh last week and i've listened to y 'all you know probably a year and a half or so my testosterone came back laughably like it was uh 164 okay yeah so So I told my primary care that I would like to get it up as much as I can naturally. But how much would I even expect to be able to get it up naturally with it being that low just from lifting, eating right?

1:55:45Adam Schafer:Well, I'm going to tell you, the biggest issue that you have with your testosterone is your massively switching schedule. you're having a dramatic shift in circadian rhythm every 28 days it's such a big circadian switch that it takes about a week and a half to two weeks to adjust and then you have a week or two before you gotta do it again

1:56:11Sal Di Stefano:every now and then I'm able to I'm able to swap with with a counterpart that's on the opposite schedule so I am able to every now and then work

1:56:22Adam Schafer:Well, Joey, are you planning on having more kids? What was that, Sal? Are you planning on having more kids? I lost them.

1:56:40We'll see. I don't plan on having more kids.

1:56:46Adam Schafer:That's an argument for another day. So I don't know how much you can raise your testosterone naturally. Because here's the deal. We could double it and it would still be kind of low. Yeah. So what you might want to do is you might want to work. So our partners at mphormones.com, either they could put you on testosterone. But if you plan on having more kids, I would say hold off. But you could take something called enclomiphene. Enclomiphene will raise your testosterone. Let's start with that. And that will raise your testosterone significantly.

1:57:17Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, but even if he goes on testosterone, he can run HCG. and he can still get pregnant.

1:57:21Adam Schafer:He could, but they're always iffy, right? But, you know, so there's options. And I do think that you need, you would want a little bit of medical intervention for the testosterone. It'll be like the lights turned on for you.

1:57:32Sal Di Stefano:Oh my God, it'll be life-changing. It'll be life-changing with where your levels are at and how you feel and everything you're doing. It'll feel life-changing. So you're very much so a candidate. You could use a lift.

1:57:43Adam Schafer:Yeah, so honestly, I don't know if the natural route while you maintain this crazy schedule is going to do a lot. So I do think a little medical intervention would probably be a good idea while you're working this way.

1:57:58Sal Di Stefano:We typically push people to go all natural, check all the boxes for, you're a good candidate. You're 36 years old. You have two kids. You have a crazy work schedule. You're a good candidate for somebody to have medical intervention right now. And that doesn't mean you can't down the road, say kids are older, life has changed, come off and try and redo it naturally. So it's not like once you choose to start taking an HRT, you can never not try and boost it naturally later down the road.

1:58:28Adam Schafer:You could also have kids while on testosterone using HCG. So there's options. I think that would help you a lot with your work and life.

1:58:37Sal Di Stefano:For sure.

1:58:38Adam Schafer:Yeah. Yes.

1:58:44Sal Di Stefano:All right. Blink if you're okay. I think that pretty much covers it. All right, man. All right, Joey. We'll send you Mass 15. Yeah, we'll send you Mass 15. Go to mphormones.com, bro. Go to mphormones.com.

1:58:56Adam Schafer:Okay.

1:58:57Sal Di Stefano:We will.

1:58:58Adam Schafer:We will go to mphormones. All right. Thanks, brother. All right, brother. Thanks, gentlemen. Appreciate it, guys. Take it easy. It's the swing schedule. Oh, my God.

1:59:05Sal Di Stefano:Dude, that was a horrible schedule.

1:59:06Adam Schafer:Bro, what was this?

1:59:08Sal Di Stefano:You shared the study, too, just on when men have babies, too. that their levels go down. Yeah. So already having kids, yeah, having two kids, you're already going.

1:59:17Adam Schafer:First of all, there's already stress of having the kids. There's a stress of the schedule. Then you got, you know, a circadian switch that is opposite. Is the hardest thing. So think about this. You travel to a new country with a nine-hour time. I've done this.

1:59:33Sal Di Stefano:This is like the other side of the world.

1:59:34Adam Schafer:Yeah, when I go, when I fly to Italy, which is what, a nine-hour difference? It takes me like, honestly, five days to kind of feel normal. That's a nine-hour difference. His is a flip. Yeah. He's going from being 6 a.m. to 6 p.m. to 6 p.m. to 6 p.m. He's going to live on the moon for a month. He's flipping completely. And so that's going to kill your hormones. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. Mind Pump Media. We'll see you then. Thank you for listening to Mind Pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy, and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB Super Bundle at mindpumpmedia.com.

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