2934: GLP-1 Drugs Are Killing People — Here Is What Nobody Is Telling You

24:22Adam Schafer:This is what it would look like for you, okay? You're like, okay, I got 80 pounds of lose or 60 pounds of lose. Here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to hire a good coach and I'm not going to get on a GLP yet. And for the first two months, all I'm going to do is try and get stronger. And what the coach is going to do is do what's called a reverse diet and also help you hit protein targets. They're also going to do good exercise programming. So appropriate programming for your body with strength training will get you stronger consistently over the next 60 days, especially if you're just getting started.

24:48Adam Schafer:If you're just getting started, you can expect to see very consistent, pretty dramatic strength gains over the next 60 days. Now, what this is doing is setting you up for the next phase. Now you're with your coach and you're working with coach. You've done the 60 days of the reverse diet, 60 days of hitting protein, strength training. Now you start the GLP. Now what the coach is going to do is going to walk you through that process. They're going to walk you through that process. A, so you don't have to use too much of the GLP because a good coach will say, hey, that's too strong. You're eating way too little.

25:18Adam Schafer:It's going to hurt you. So let's back off on the dose a little bit. But they're also going to coach you through this process of, wow, when I was anxious before, that's when I ate. Wow, when I was depressed before, that's when I ate. So they're going to help modify those behaviors, which by the way, this is the right time to do it. When that hunger signal is low and you're not so driven to eat through different behaviors, like let's say boredom, anxiety, depression, those neural networks, those connections can start to weaken so long as you don't strengthen them like you used to. In other words, when I was depressed, I would always eat.

25:49Adam Schafer:So I'm creating this really strong behavior with depression. I'm solidifying it. But now that I'm on GLP, I don't need to eat when I'm depressed, but I'm still depressed. That's still going to happen. You're still going to get anxious. You're still going to get sad. Let me replace that with other behaviors so I can create a new neural pattern. So now you're with your coach and you're going through the GLP process. And the goal with the coach is they're watching you, they're coaching you, and they're minimizing any muscle loss and maximizing fat loss. Then when you get to a point where you're like, whoa, I think this is about as far as I want to go.

26:22Adam Schafer:Like I'm doing great. Then what the coach is going to do is take you through the back-off process. The back-off process ideally typically looks like a scaling down over time of the dose. And the coach, through that process, is going to reverse diet you again. They're going to reverse diet you again to build up your metabolism and set you up with a metabolic rate that's higher. So when you're off the GLP, you have more room to live your life. You don't have to eat so little to maintain your weight loss. And that's what that perfect scenario looks like. and that's the most guaranteed way to get you those results.

26:52Adam Schafer:And here's why it saves money. Don't do it that way. And what ends up happening is you have to stay on a GLP for a long time to the tune of$300 to$400 a month, and it's probably going to be on and off for as long as you want to try to keep the weight off without doing those things, which can last a lifetime. So that's the perfect way to do it. And we've had a lot of success with people doing it that way. Do it, just take the GLP and see what happens. You're going to have a tough time. You're going to have a really, really tough time with that.

27:18Sal Di Stefano:Dude, I have to say, I don't think I've ever, it's like 13 years walking in a studio, I've ever been so impressed with the shoe game. Oh. By everybody. You're talking about me? I mean, I'm starting with you. Oh, okay. But I mean, you even got Doug over there rocking his golden gooses. You got you and the Stan Smith. You got Dylan over in the Stan Smith. You got Justin over there in the Panda SBs. I mean, this is like the most elevated shoe game I've ever seen. in the studio. He's a fake, but you know. The knockoff panda. they're knockoffs. Yeah, they're barefoot version. They are like that, right?

27:57Sal Di Stefano:They're the wide, the wide toe box ones. Yep. That's what they modeled them after. They modeled them after.

28:01Adam Schafer:That's why I liked them though

28:02Sal Di Stefano:because they're fashionable.

28:04Adam Schafer:Because they look like that for sure. So I got to tell you what happened. Yeah, yeah. You got him hella fast, dude. You got in his head, dude. Like, let's just be honest. No, Adam dropped a little bit of the bomb. Look, how long have you known me? You guys know me for a long time. Yeah. Okay. Shaming me to do something just doesn't work. I don't care. No, I don't think I shamed you at all. Well, you didn't make fun of me a lot. It was more. It was a lot of making fun.

28:24Sal Di Stefano:Was I? I don't, I don't feel like I did. Oh, replay the thing. Here's what I probably would have done

28:28Adam Schafer:and then you're like, oh, hmm. Yeah, you said I had girl shoes, bro.

28:32Sal Di Stefano:I mean, I don't feel like I attacked you. I feel like I would never said anything, but you brought it, you were like, hey, dude, what do you think of my shoes? And you're like, perfect. Check them out. No, I didn't go like that. I went, honest. Those are girl shoes. Let me give you the honesty.

28:45Adam Schafer:No, let me tell you what happened. What worked. You said something that actually convinced me. You want to know what it was? What? You said something. It hit me. I was like, he's right. When you need any kind of health advice or supplement advice, you turn to me and I give you advice and you take it. You're like, dude, I take your advice. You never take mine. And I sat there and I'm like, what a jerk. He's like, not you, but me. He's right. I've never asked you what kind of shoes I should wear. I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I'm glad that resonated. So I went home. It's so true though.

29:17Adam Schafer:I ordered the one shoe you mentioned.

29:19Sal Di Stefano:But it's so, it is so true because think about that. Like, uh, obviously I know a little bit about supplements and nutrition and exercise science, right. Uh, at least enough to sit on the show for a little bit. Um, but I, I respect that you're better at it. You know what I'm saying? And so I, I could sit and try and figure out myself or this, or I can like, that's the beauty I think of, you know, we talk all about this stuff with having community and friends. That's part of it is being vulnerable enough to go, hey, my boy is smarter than I am in this. I can act like I know more. But it's like, why?

29:53Sal Di Stefano:When I have like one of my best friends who I can like shoot a text over and be like, yo, tell me this, right? Speed dial.

29:57Adam Schafer:Yeah.

29:58Sal Di Stefano:So like, yeah, so that's great.

29:59Adam Schafer:So I was like, all right, which one did he mention? I had to remember. I'm like, stand up.

30:02Sal Di Stefano:Up your fashion game, homie.

30:04Adam Schafer:I saw Dylan came in.

30:05Sal Di Stefano:Do you see Dylan's? No. Dylan's got him on right now too. He's wearing the same pair as you guys. Really? Yeah, yeah.

30:11Adam Schafer:They're pretty comfortable too.

30:12Sal Di Stefano:And they're, hey, they're not expensive, right? No. Yeah, so you don't always have to go crazy over that. By the way, the most expensive shoes in this room right now are not mine. Doug. No. Yes, they are. Really? Doug's? How expensive are they? Doug's shoes are definitely - They were a gift to me. Oh, God. Look at this guy.

30:30Justin Andrews:They run, you know,$500.

30:33Adam Schafer:Yes. $500?

30:35Justin Andrews:For those sneakers right there. Why?

30:36Sal Di Stefano:Yes, dude.

30:37Justin Andrews:What are they? golden goose yeah but what is that it's an italian brand yeah oh they look i thought they were converse i know the star throws people off oh my gosh 500 they're a christmas gift do they walk for you like what's they do actually

30:53Sal Di Stefano:you know it's so i i had to call him out because he always like i always i always get all the shit over here like i take all the materialistic adam bullshit all the time on me like that i had to be And quietly, my boy over here likes all that stuff and always keeps his mouth shut when I'm getting railed over here.

31:10Adam Schafer:So I'm going to put him on blast today that he's wearing the most expensive shoes in the house. No, that's great. So I'm going to be asking more questions, dude, about stuff like that. They look good.

31:19Sal Di Stefano:Did you get compliments yet? No, just now. Yeah, yeah. I mean, they look like they just got broke out of the box. They did.

31:25Adam Schafer:I wore them yesterday for the first time. Yeah, yeah.

31:26Sal Di Stefano:And they're comfortable, right? Yeah. What I love about it, and why I think it's such a great style, is you can dress them up and dress them down. Obviously, you're in comfortable sweats right now, but you may never noticed because you probably don't care to pay attention to these things, but I wear those with my suit all the time. Oh, okay. Oh, yeah.

31:41Adam Schafer:I do think I would suit you before.

31:42Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, I'll wear those with a suit. That looks great with a black suit right there. All right. All right. Thank you. All right. I'm going to read to you guys.

31:48Adam Schafer:I looked up some information on acetaldehyde. So acetaldehyde is this compound that your body produces when it metabolizes alcohol. and um acetaldehyde is why you tend to feel like crap when you drink alcohol so it's and your body does a good job of getting rid of acetaldehyde by the way so uh when you drink alcohol some people do a better job than others this is why some people can have more than others and feel okay and this is just alcohol this isn't like any other fermented anything fermented well this is well fermented that has alcohol in it like fermented fruit or something yeah okay so this

32:24Sal Di Stefano:is also why we get reports from our audience that uses zbiotics why it's life-changing for some people others that's right is i'm assuming i've always assumed based on worse for some people right like some people just metabolize it better or worse than others i've always assumed that you and i are probably people that don't metabolize it very well because i'm ultra sensitive to a drink or two will make me feel terrible and so that's always made me a not i've I mean, admittedly, I enjoy a nice little buzz or having a glass of wine or here and stuff like that. But the reason why I've never been someone to do that was because I always felt terrible.

33:00Sal Di Stefano:Same.

33:00Adam Schafer:So here's what it does. This is what acetaldehyde does. It can impair protein function, damage cellular structures, trigger immune responses, cause DNA mutations. The accumulation of it causes nausea, headache, flushing, tachycardia, sweating. That sounds like a hangover. Yeah. That's how I would feel. Yeah, not a good time. Yep, it's a carcinogen, causes tissue toxicity. So the reason why Z-Biotics works so well, which by the way, somebody stopped me the other day and said, I didn't believe you when you talked about it on the show. And we tried it and it worked so well, we thought it can't possibly be this.

33:36Adam Schafer:We did it again, like, man, this stuff. What it does is it's a probiotic that's been genetically modified. So it actually went in and changed the bacteria in Z-Biotics. So when you drink it, what this bacteria does is it breaks down acetaldehyde. So it actually helps your body clear of acetaldehyde. Now, other drink supplements or whatever, take this when you drink or before, what they're trying to do is reduce inflammation. They're trying to maybe hydrate you. Not bad, but none of them target acetaldehyde effectively.

34:09Justin Andrews:I don't know. We all have a friend in the space that's an influencer, and she gave me her product she promotes, and I was like -

34:17Adam Schafer:Oh, I know what you're talking about.

34:18Justin Andrews:I was out of Z-biotic, and so I use it, and it was not even close. It just didn't have that effect the next day where you wake up, and it's like I didn't even feel like, other than being tired, I wouldn't even know the difference. I know. Oh, yeah.

34:35Sal Di Stefano:I've tried all the – because I know that I'm so – I've tried all the hangover pill and all the other stuff that's out there. It's just like Advil at the end of the day. Yeah, it doesn't – And even though that has some, some positive properties that are helpful there, it's nowhere near the same thing. But yeah, it's a,

34:49Adam Schafer:it's a pre-alcohol drink is what Z-Biotics is marketing.

34:52Sal Di Stefano:They say that they, so they, they tell you that's the protocol is a drink it before you drink. Although I will admit that there's been times where I forgot. And then I'm like two drinks in. I still feel the effect.

35:01Adam Schafer:It'll help with the accumulation afterwards. Yeah.

35:03Sal Di Stefano:So like, I know that they, that's the protocol and ideal is you take it first before you have a drink. And I, but there's been times where it's like, I didn't think I was going to really. And then, or I just grabbed it and like, Then I get to it two drinks later, and it still makes a huge difference. All right. I'm going to change the subject. Put it out there.

35:17Adam Schafer:I got to tell you guys a story, dude. It's just, bro. It was simultaneously shocking, creepy, maybe a little flattering. Maybe. I'm not going to lie. What? But also creepy. It's a crazy mix. Also creepy. Creepy and flattering? Bro, listen to this story. I can't believe people do this. I don't know. Anyway, we go to the pool. so me Jessica and the kids are at the pool and we're hanging out this is at the gym one right yeah and I'm not gonna say too much I've already I don't want to mention she's like you tell people the gym we go to I'm not gonna say anymore but we went and we're at the pool we're all hanging out and uh we went in the hot tub so Jessica and I are in the hot tub and then I leave to go play with the kids or whatever and there's other people in the hot tub so there's this woman in there she looks at my wife she goes hey this is gonna she's like this is crazy I know it sounds wild, but I got to tell you this.

36:08So Jessica's like, okay, what's going on?

36:10Adam Schafer:So me and my husband play this game where we look at people around us and we pick out who we would sleep with. So now Jessica's like, get me out of here. Like, she's like, what's going on here? And she says, I know where this is going. First of all, that's opening conversation. I don't know where people get the, the, the, the galled. Anyway. So they say that she says that to Jessica, she goes, and you know, I saw your husband and my husband saw him. And then she prefaces, my husband's straight by the way he's straight so already i'm like oh and he said and he and he and she goes i i said is that the guy that you were telling me about and my husband goes yeah she goes so yeah it's your husband and you know he's a really handsome guy just goes like yeah thanks he's a really handsome guy then i get in i get in the jacuzzi she gives me the look and i'm like uh let's get out yeah dude and so we get out and by the way to make it worse the woman had her kids in the jacuzzi with her at the same time oh my god old enough to understand and hear the conversation Oh, my God.

37:04Adam Schafer:Really? Yeah, dude.

37:04Sal Di Stefano:Oh, that's really weird. Yeah, bro. Yeah, yeah. What is happening? What is wrong with people? That's already weird. Even more weird to disclose that right in front of your kids.

37:12Justin Andrews:Dude, my husband picked you out. I was like, he'd be good.

37:15Adam Schafer:I'm with you. You know what's crazy about that? It must have worked at some point for her to do it again.

37:20Sal Di Stefano:You know what it is? It's playing the odds thing. That's it. You say it to 10 people like you guys, and two people say yes. That's just it. It's a numbers game, right? I mean, what is the statistics on couples that -

37:32Justin Andrews:Well, it's always a wife, too, because that's like the introduction. Oh, yeah. A dude can't do that. Oh, absolutely not.

37:39Adam Schafer:If he was a guy talking to my wife like that, that would have been a fight.

37:42Justin Andrews:That's happened to us before, too. But yeah, it was always the wife that would come up.

37:45Sal Di Stefano:Always. Is there ever a time when it's not? That would be - That's not a winning strategy. So if you're a swinger and you send the husband in, you're a terrible strategy. Chef, bro. Yeah, yeah. They can't possibly -

37:56Justin Andrews:I'm privy to the whole pineapple thing, too, so don't try - What is that? I don't know. dude it's just like a signal it's like hey i'm a swinger here's don't you guys remember when i'm

38:05Sal Di Stefano:so mad i didn't do it to you guys i went in fact i think i had uh i don't know who was working for us that time uh that i had got all the loofahs loofahs on your car and your door all mean different different color loofahs stand for different things like are you just swinging or do you cross uh husband and husband loofah was yeah yeah look up look up uh um look up loofah codes in swingers. I told you guys. And I was going to prank you guys by putting them on your cars. And so there you go. Right there. Read what all the colors mean.

38:43Justin Andrews:Let me pull it up here. I've never even seen a loofah. Oh, you have it. Okay, yeah. I'm just trying to make it bigger so I can read it. Actually, now that I'm telling you this,

38:52Sal Di Stefano:okay, listen, now that I'm telling you this, you will see it. I've never seen it before until I... Really? Because you know why? You wouldn't think to look for a loofah in a car.

39:01Justin Andrews:So funny. When I was searching here, you know what ad popped up? What? Michael Kors.

39:06Sal Di Stefano:Stop.

39:09Justin Andrews:Stop. Still trying to get you. Stop. That's why? That's what we're going to put in. All right. All right. Here are the loofahs. All right. White is for novices and beginners. Purple, voyeur, and people who like to watch. Pink, soft swap. swap people who like to do it with others in the room yellow mild levels mid-level swap for those who want to have fun but are still nervous black full swap those who say what the hell let it go down and then teal is for the bisexuals so there you go yeah isn't that crazy if i see that in a

39:48Sal Di Stefano:car now oh you will because i i didn't know about it i don't even remember who told me about it or how I first heard about it. And then I'm like, what? I looked it up, confirmed it, just like Doug did. And then I swear, it wasn't even that much longer after that, I caught like a loofah on like a car. And I was like, so you were going to prank us by putting it on.

40:04Adam Schafer:Yeah. So I was going to put it on.

40:06Justin Andrews:What color were you going to use? We stayed at an Airbnb. Black for you guys. Pineapple decorations everywhere. And I was just like, why are they so obsessed with pineapples? Upside down ones. Apparently. Yeah. Upside down ones. Yeah. It just was everywhere. And I'm like, Oh,

40:22Sal Di Stefano:That's also the code for swinger, right? Is that what it is? Yeah. Yeah, upside down pineapple, right? Yeah, yeah. Isn't that weird? Why pineapple? What's the history of that? Yeah, see, look at the car. So show that car, because this is how you'll see it when you see it on the cars. Oh, yeah. You had it done. Go back. Okay. Oh, I see right here. Yeah, you'll see like someone will tie it up on the thing like that or it'll be around the antenna or something like that. You'll see it just like that.

40:43Adam Schafer:Dude. Isn't that crazy? We got to come up with a code for like power lifter, crossfitter, street trainer. We can't use the car. dude remember that house that we rented uh years ago we were i don't remember we were creating a program in la it was like nine years it was in la san fernando valley it was in san fernando valley oh yeah and i think we're trying to save money still had like traces of weed and stuff on the counter and we left remember we left we yeah dude they were filming something obviously there yeah

41:11Justin Andrews:yeah and we took off big cables that were in the walls and everything super creepy yeah a lot of Locked doors there. We were like, what's behind here? Yeah, no. I'm out of here, dude. I am out of here.

41:25Adam Schafer:Did you see, Adam? I'm wondering if you saw it. Did you see the new income brackets, the federal?

41:29Sal Di Stefano:I did.

41:29Adam Schafer:Did you go through them?

41:30Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, I did. I did. It's wild. So these are the new - It's like wild. I mean, to be considered just upper class now is like the 200s, and it gets wild.

41:42Adam Schafer:So this is income. So you can have wealth and income. So there's two categories. Wealth includes like if you own property, this is income. Okay. So it's a federal income brackets. And again, this is different from place to place. Obviously we live in Silicon Valley. It's going to be like quadruple all of this, but here's what it is. Poverty, poverty is making less than$15 ,900 a year. This is for family of four. So family for poverty, near poverty is between 16 ,000 and 31 ,000. Lower income is above that to$55 ,000. Lower middle class is above that to$83 ,000. Middle class is above that to$125 ,000.

42:24Adam Schafer:Upper middle class is above that to$167 ,000. And upper income is above$168 ,000 a year for a family of four. Oh, it was$2 ,250. I thought that was the exact. So these are the new income brackets for, which you know what's wild about this? Middle class now for family of four in the whole US is around six figures, which that changed quite a bit. That changed. Well, they used to be upperclass. They used to be just here.

42:47Sal Di Stefano:Six figures was like, I remember that was growing up. That was like, oh my gosh. That was the goal. Oh, yeah. Could you make six figures?

42:54Adam Schafer:Yeah. Now, where we live in the Bay Area, it's got to be way different. Oh, yeah. Like you said.

42:59Sal Di Stefano:So I've also seen a stat on that. Like just to own a home in the Bay Area, just to own a home in the Bay Area, they say that you need to have a combined income of$250 or$260.

43:12Adam Schafer:In the Bay Area?

43:13Sal Di Stefano:Yes.

43:13Adam Schafer:That still seems low.

43:14Sal Di Stefano:Well, that's just to afford a home. That isn't like any home, a townhome, like anything. Yeah, that's like to be able to afford a home that's in the Bay Area. I saw, did you just pull it up? Yeah. It's 296. Wow.

43:26Justin Andrews:Bay Area, lower middle class is around 100 ,000.

43:29Adam Schafer:For a household.

43:30Justin Andrews:For a household.

43:31Adam Schafer:Yeah. So if you're supporting a family of four.

43:33Justin Andrews:Middle class is 98 to 296.

43:36Adam Schafer:With cities like San Jose and San Francisco recording median household incomes around 140 to 148. So that's the median, which is crazy. What's the top 1 %? Right there.

43:48Sal Di Stefano:Top 5 % of earners. Top 5 % of earners is 500K annually. Top 1 % earners. Is that still Bay Area or just total?

43:56Justin Andrews:This is Bay Area.

43:57Sal Di Stefano:So Bay Area and top 1 % earners are generally 800 to a million plus annually. Yeah. And then true wealth in the Bay Area heavily tied to real estate net worth. The top 3 % of Californians have net worth exceeding 8.7 million.

44:10Adam Schafer:A lot of people in the Bay Area, if you don't live here, it sounds wild, but a lot of people in the Bay Area have a net worth in the millions, but it's not because they're wealthy. It's because they bought a home. 10 or more years ago. 30 years ago. Like my parents. My parents bought their home a long time ago. And let me tell you, my parents are not wealthy, okay, at all. Not even close. But their home is worth$2 million. So that's now their wealth.

44:33Sal Di Stefano:Well, this is the greatest, or not the greatest, but this is one of the greatest challenges that the young people coming up right now have in an area like this is that it's gone so far. I mean, listen, your starter home now in the Bay Area is a million dollars. 25 % down on that is a quarter million dollars. The amount of money you have to make to pay off your student loans, to pay for your rent, to pay for your car, to also save enough to do a quarter of a month is insane. I mean, you're talking about years and years and years and years of consistently living well below your means in order to do that or finding a way to make more income or partnering up or marrying somebody who has an equal size of an income.

45:21Justin Andrews:Or move to Fresno and Bakersfield.

45:24Sal Di Stefano:Bay Area might not be for you. yeah i don't understand that's what my my so my true my best friend uh him and i when i got my place when i was 21 we lived together for five five years all the way through when he finishes his schooling got a good good job making six figures in the bay area um as a pta and then uh he when he was settling down with his girl who's who's married to now and had been to have two kids and she is a nurse in the Bay Area so making good money but both of them were like if we want to build a family and stuff like that it's going to take us forever to grow here and they both had a profession that you could go to the Central Valley and make relatively similar income they took a little bit of a pay cut but not as much to what the housing was they were able to go buy a really nice 3 ,600 square foot 4 or 5 bedroom

46:20Adam Schafer:2.5 million.

46:21Sal Di Stefano:Oh yeah. Yeah. Over there.

46:22Justin Andrews:There's pockets of California. Yeah. Like that, the central Valley, but it's, it gets less desirable. So I get it. But I, I too, I know some people that actually like commuted from Los Banos to get into, you know, work here in the Bay area. And then they like commute like hours every day home. But, um, you know, that's one way they can at least like start building on something.

46:43Adam Schafer:My buddy's at, uh, he's a doctor and we were talking about this he's like man if my daughter goes to school and goes to medical school and does residency and graduates she'll be making uh you know a couple hundred grand a year after all that schooling yeah after uh medical school after residency with a huge amount of debt he's

47:01Sal Di Stefano:like she won't be able to live here yeah my nephew right now who i spent the last weekend with um he's he's going to medical school he wants to be a doctor um and he wants to be the uh the radiologist uh the one who's oversees the technicians okay i don't know the i think it's he's got to go through medical school everything just like a like a normal doctor but you know you're talking like eight years of schooling and yes they come out the gates i think they start starting wages like 300k or something like that a year which sounds yeah like so much when you're a kid who's who's gone from nothing to that is and it is a lot of money but if you've got you know a

47:40Adam Schafer:couple hundred thousand dollars at least in school in debt in school debt um and then you also have

47:46Sal Di Stefano:to rent in the bay area to start off right and you're not finding a a modest condo or studio in the bay area you're spending 2500 a month well plus a car you even have people in tech you got

47:58Adam Schafer:people in tech and tech is very it can be very high paying but you got people in tech who are like four or five people in one house and they're all making yeah now here's what's interesting

48:08Sal Di Stefano:You and I have text conversations back and forth a little bit when we talk about economics and future and all stuff like that and real estate stuff. I have a theory because a lot of people are predicting this crash that's coming. And I think we're already in a mild recession. We've been in one for the last two or two, three years now of a pullback on real estate and stuff like that. So I already think we've been in this. I don't think we're going to see a crash. I think we're amidst changing times. I think that the future is not everybody owns a home. It's good. It becomes a, it's a luxury. And here's some of the signals beside that.

48:46Sal Di Stefano:Like we just assume that that everybody gets to do that. Like we've just,

48:49Adam Schafer:that's part of the American dream. Right. And we,

48:52Sal Di Stefano:and we, since the seventies, we've been moving away from that and we've dramatically, and what, what policies have taken that dream. And then also look at, look at the behaviors of the younger generation with owning stuff, uber everything's rented like i was telling sal this i don't know if you guys know this you guys know that there's companies that rent purses i i was hanging out with someone and luxury watches and she she and it's it's totally understandable of course they do yeah well think about it think about how smart this is i think she paid i want to say it's like 250 a month 250 bucks a month or something like that is her monthly fee or whatever but she gets up to a five or seven thousand dollar purse budget every single week i think they'll send her a different one she i want and so and then and as a female who likes those purses how often do you wear one when you go out to a dinner or a party thing so it's probably only once a week maybe you want a

49:45Justin Andrews:different purse this is like some monthly subscription yes and then it's and then she

49:49Sal Di Stefano:can trade out rotates out and so she's always got a new fashionable they lose it then they end up insured the full amount insured i'm sure you have yeah i'm sure there's an insurance policy in it and stuff like that, and you probably have a smart business.

50:02Adam Schafer:It's a changing economy. Part of the reason for it.

50:04Sal Di Stefano:They do it for Rolex watches. For$250 a night, you can rent a$20 ,000 Rolex watch that you can wear.

50:11Adam Schafer:So what happened was it was part of the American dream. Part of the American dream was you buy a house, you pay it off. And what happened was so many people tied up their wealth and retirement in that that it continued to drive the prices up. And the policy was to never allow housing prices to drop because as a politician, now that you have so many people whose wealth and stability is in their homes, that if we allow that to correct, it's going to be really bad. So what they keep doing is promoting more policies and ways to continue to pump up the housing market.

50:48Justin Andrews:Tries out opportunity.

50:49Adam Schafer:The result of which is exactly, I don't know what you're saying, is that the future is not owning. The future is you rent everything. you don't own anything and I think that was in the world economic forum I think they said eerily

51:01Justin Andrews:similar to their message

51:04Sal Di Stefano:we're just moving in that direction and we always want to pull back to like these things that has happened in the past and so oh this is going to happen because that happened before and it's such a fallacy that's not how it works in fact the things that impact our economy are things that we never predict COVID when you think about the the ramifications of COVID economically, legislation wise, like, and like no, no economists could have predicted that yet. That had the largest impact on a huge wrench and everything. So this idea of like, Oh, this is, you know, the, the, you know, typical trend in the stock market and the housing market is this, and therefore it's going to do this.

51:44Sal Di Stefano:It's like, that's such a fallacy to believe that it's like, cause there's other factors that always play a role. And one of the biggest factors I think right now, and what does the housing and the economy look like in the future is that we're moving away from this caring to own stuff like that. We're borrowing and renting and Ubering and Airbnb-ing. It's just moving in that direction. Now, me saying that doesn't mean there's not value in being somebody who owns those things. I think if you can accumulate enough wealth and savings and invest in those things, I think that it positions you very well.

52:21Sal Di Stefano:but I absolutely think that a vast majority of people in the future will not care to own any of that stuff.

52:27Adam Schafer:I think so. And along those lines, there was a large general social survey is reported in the social leap in 2018. And they were looking at what things impact people's happiness the most. Here's one of the shocking findings that what's not shocking for, I think for us, but I think for a lot of people that were shocked. Poor Americans, so people who qualify as poor in the income bracket, who attend church regularly are happier than wealthy Americans who never go. So 36 % of poor Americans who go to church regularly are very happy. Not just happy, but very happy. 26 % of wealthy Americans who never go are very happy.

53:12Adam Schafer:So kind of a good way to kind of segue into the conversation because we're talking about money and i know if you really boil down like why do you want money why do you want more money would you get it down to like the the fundamental thing people say well besides the basics it's like it makes me happy needs but then what yeah it makes me happy and it's like the data shows it's not a great way to be happy especially in comparison to

53:35Sal Di Stefano:other things like community and church it's a it's how interesting it's a tool for trading time yeah that's all it really is it's a tool for trading time if you give up time to go work and earn it then turn around and spend it on things that either take up your time or give you time back yeah that's all it is give you autonomy and when you when you when you you constantly are working to buy materialistic things that don't buy back time it's like that's an that's an endless chase and so and and you'll eventually figure out that like oh wow that's not as and you'll it's not as valuable as i thought or you'll get trapped in the rat race of more more more more more totally right it's just like oh it's not it's because that car is not big enough for more expensive so i need this or that house is so that thing that thing and so you just keep going that but i mean the most valuable thing that you can do is to to buy back your time and to place it in

54:28Adam Schafer:the things that do add true value along those lines there's a research uh a pub uh a some research that was just published on the, and it was a massive demographic model analyzing 236 countries since 1950. And they're talking about global fertility or how little kids people are having. And so here's what they found. A 60 ,000 year first. So this hasn't happened in modern human history, not during world wars, not during global pandemics, not ever, that global fertility has fallen below the replacement rate. Widespread collapse out of 236 countries, 219 are actively in negative fertility trends.

55:07Adam Schafer:Does it matter if the country's rich, poor, whatever? The birth rates are crashing everywhere. The only reason global population is growing right now is called population momentum, that older generations are still alive. In roughly 30 years, the global population will peak and then plunge. And here's the crazy part, policies are doing nothing. So far, no government intervention. Tax credits, extended leave, whatever, has successfully reversed this trend. So this is an aging world. So people are living longer, but we're not having new babies. The only possible solution to this, because this is a calamity.

55:45Adam Schafer:This continues this way, which it's going to. You said 30 years? 30 years, we're going to see a huge collapse.

55:51Sal Di Stefano:So, okay, then you have to ask yourself, where do you sit on the biohacking longevity side? Because part of why we haven't seen this big fall off is to the exact point you made that we're living longer. Do you believe with science and technology that we're going to prolong that even more?

56:09Adam Schafer:I do, I do. But what about the fact that we're going to have more old people than young people, more people who aren't working than there are people who are working, which is a economic disaster. The only positive solution I can see are, and it's going to sound funny, but robots.

56:29Sal Di Stefano:Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on though. To push back and challenge that too. How many decades now are we in a row of people extending the age that they're working? The average person's retirement age has increased over the last few decades, and it's continually increased.

56:46Adam Schafer:Can you look up, Doug, average age of retirement today versus 30 years ago? I'd like to see what that is.

56:52Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, and so it sounds so crazy, but if we're living to 100, 110, 120, it's not so weird that we work till 70 or 80 now. And I mean, all of us have said that, like, I could totally do this till 70 or 80. Like, I wouldn't be mad at that. And so maybe that's also - It's less friction with AI. Maybe that's also going to shift and change. We're not going to remain the same retirement age while also.

57:13Adam Schafer:So it's only gone up about three years. So 65 today versus 30 years ago, 62. So it is kind of going up. But here's the problem. You're going to have a lot of people retiring with wealth. They did a good job, so they're just not going to work. We need people to work. We need people to innovate, to make things, to support and build society. But that's why I said robots.

57:35Sal Di Stefano:I was going to say, then you also have that factor.

57:38Adam Schafer:Because if you dramatically increase the productivity of one worker by, you know, a hundredfold because of AI and robots, then that could definitely solve it.

57:45Justin Andrews:But then, you know, Order 66, you know, what are we going to do about that? Wait, wait, what's that again? So we get promoted this idea that, like, robots are going to do all these things in your house. They're going to take over this. But, you know, maybe back engineered in there is a switch.

58:02Sal Di Stefano:I still have a hard time. I know that we have this ongoing debate about the robot and dishes and stuff like that. And maybe this is just my monkey brain. I can't see it or whatever. But I just have a hard time picturing this robot walking around my house all day. I know. Like doing shit. And doing it efficiently enough to where I don't have to do it. I already get frustrated with my wife the way she loads the dishwasher. I'm assuming my AI is going to do it or my robot AI.

58:33Justin Andrews:You've been to some of those tech conferences, right? Like I've been to, and so you see videos and it's all like, that's the thing. I'm kind of in, in your camp because it's a lot of it is so overhyped. Cause like when I see them actually move in person, it is weak. It is way weak. It's very still just very like not smooth.

58:55Adam Schafer:Well, you guys don't think they're going to solve that though? Of course it'll get better.

58:58Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, but how long will that, okay. Again, and I know you're not a big cooker in the kitchen. I know you are, so you will probably appreciate this a little bit more, Doug. When I'm in the kitchen and I'm preparing dinner, I'm literally doing so many things. I'm cleaning over here. I'm grilling over there. I just can't imagine this thing being in there and doing all those things so efficiently, seamlessly at the same time. Again, maybe it's my monkey brain just can't fathom. I could see it breaking up all four of those jobs that I'm doing at once and it taking eight hours in my kitchen that I'm going to have this thing.

59:34Justin Andrews:Can you look up Roombas having chips in them and cameras that spy on us? Yeah, dude. Because if that happens in a freaking Roomba, this is why I bring that up. You're going to have a fully mobile robot.

59:49Sal Di Stefano:Bro, you know that's what's going on, right? They're already in homes, and they're being controlled by people over in the Philippines. Somebody is literally already walking around a house. They're doing the movements for them.

1:00:00Justin Andrews:And yeah, it's silly to me. There are no spy chips. According to this, anyway. Bullshit.

1:00:07Sal Di Stefano:Well, I mean, you Google that spy chips, but what they have proven, Justin, and I have seen it, is that they, and this is how they quote unquote, is they track the housing square footage and all the areas, surface area. And so it's definitely picking up data. It's not like, it's not down.

1:00:26Adam Schafer:But I mean, look, the way these things move. Yeah, but I think they'll figure it out, dude. I think they'll figure it out. They're going to keep getting better. But they better get better, you guys. With population collapse, we need them. We're going to need robots. People need to have more kids. Nobody's doing it. Yeah. So we're going to need robot caretakers.

1:00:42Sal Di Stefano:So to me, that's the optimistic side. That's why when you say like a 30-year horizon on this, it's crazy to think how different with Moore's Law, 30 years is going to be like none of us in here we can't even fathom like we can't so like to it's already weird to worry about things like population collapse and i know that those become talking points and so that's just like oh you don't like how many things we're going to innovate

1:01:05Adam Schafer:change and be different you know what this reminds me of that's really wild it's one of the greatest lies that people were sold there was a book in 1970 something called population bomb maybe you could find it doug for me and it was this scientist who made the case that we're going to run out of food we're gonna run out of oil right we're done and his prediction was like i don't remember what year it was 1968 was a book and i guess i think by 1990 we were supposed to be like starving right but what he doesn't calculate for what he never calculated for was that uh that we get better at producing things and we get better at uh at getting resources we have more oil available to us now because of technology than we did in 1970 even though we're using way more of it we have more available today that's not wild we make more food and produce more food and feed more people today by far than we did back in 1968 so it was such a lie and a lot of people still believe this lie like we can't have more people we keep having more people that's not good for the you know the earth as if the earth is just like this being or whatever but that's not true actually more people

1:02:10Sal Di Stefano:is better it's better you got more innovation and we're in efficiency on how we're like we went through this period of time too where and i know there's the the the climate change people that are screaming on the other side it's like what we're doing damage wise today versus what we were in the 70s and 80s like we're continuing to improve on the the carbon footprint side and we're doing things like that that are in the positive direction environmentally concerned i would say now

1:02:36Justin Andrews:uh as a result which is a positive thing but it's like yeah look at that if we actually look at the

1:02:41Adam Schafer:actual data like it's well not to get too controversial but uh who was i talking to somebody i was talking to somebody who's like one of my younger cousins uh it might have been my niece actually and we're talking about like the earth and how the earth would be so much better if there were no humans on earth and i said who would enjoy the earth she's like uh well you know but the earth would be better i said you know you have to number one as humans we have to put ourselves at the top which we are that doesn't mean we're not good stewards of our resources and we don't treat animals uh well and all that stuff that doesn't mean that but uh who cares if we all disappear and the earth is flourishing if there's no people there's no people it's such a weird way to look at it which is wild it's if there are people like that they're like anti-human they look as a virus it's a virus it's a very twisted dark mentality that is very nihilistic like you look at other people like oh you're bad it's like i mean okay so and i've i've been watching uh this

1:03:42Justin Andrews:new uh series it's just like um um uh what's the tiger king but it's with lizards and it's with reptiles and it's wild right and you know and a lot of these people are really wild people like you know very like criminals and you know there's some some decorated colorful pasts uh but a lot of it like they're more comfortable with animals and their whole thing is because they've been hurt they've been damaged they've had trauma like and it's all like you know some childhood thing but it's like oh but animals would never do that to me and like they're always friendly and yeah yeah until they like rip your face off but you know right now like that's what they're that's

1:04:24Sal Di Stefano:their um framing and that's their perspective is that a common thing that um people that had like childhood trauma and so that are drawn to animals is that like a is that a common thing i think so

1:04:35Adam Schafer:in certain cases yeah i think have you ever i've seen i've heard you guys ever heard this this is i think yeah if you really break this down it's really dark and twisted uh i know people i know a lot of people in fact i'm going to say this and people are going to resonate it's going to resonate with a lot of people they can handle a person getting killed in a movie no problem but if a dog yeah or an animal dies oh my god i can't watch that movie isn't that crazy

1:04:57Justin Andrews:that's why that john wick thing resonated so much with people they killed his dog and then you just went like, Craig killed like thousands of people. They're like cheering them, you know? Wait a minute.

1:05:09Sal Di Stefano:Interesting. Yes, people with childhood trauma are often drawn to animals. This connection provides a deep sense of emotional safety and trust that human relationship might lack. Interesting. It makes sense. I have examples in my life. I wonder if the type of animal you own. Is there a way to predict trauma? I'm sure that's why dogs are known as, what do you call it, security dogs? They are.

1:05:30Adam Schafer:They are, but I think -

1:05:31Sal Di Stefano:And it's because I'm sure their loyalty, their demeanor - But what I mean by that -

1:05:35Justin Andrews:Even the anthropomorphizing of like, lizards are like cold and dark.

1:05:39Adam Schafer:So that's what I was going to say. Soulless, in my opinion. Everybody likes dogs. Everybody likes so many dogs their own. But is there a particular type of animal that if they own these animals, there's odds that they've had some bad trauma or much higher. Like, is it spiders? Is it like lizards? Is it snakes? I'm guessing. I have no idea.

1:05:55Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, that'd be interesting. But I don't know if there's any data. Well, look at what he got. How did you Google it?

1:06:01Justin Andrews:Yeah, can you predict trauma by the type of animal someone has? How about this?

1:06:05Sal Di Stefano:Look at it, he got it. Dogs are people that are seeking social connection. Yeah, but look at cats. Introversion and sensitivity, trauma and stress. Birds, reptiles, exotics, unconventionally, trauma and stress, mechanism to manage daily. Okay, that's all.

1:06:19Adam Schafer:Yeah, so I'm going to guess. I don't know if this data exists, but I think when people own a lot of reptiles and spiders and stuff, I would imagine there's probably a higher - It's like push people away. I am totally guessing. I am totally. I got no problem with people on those things, but it's just a guess. Just a total guess. What's the guess? The guess is that if you own like tarantulas and snakes, you might have a higher chance of you had gone through some serious trauma.

1:06:43Sal Di Stefano:Oh, I don't think I don't believe that. I think no different than an animal. I think it's less like that. I think that stuff is probably connected to probably a positive experience, right? Somebody who was comfortable playing with bugs when they were little or they had a parent that was into it. And so I would think that's more related. I mean, that sounds reasonable. Other parents would never let them have it,

1:07:04Justin Andrews:and then they always longed for it, which I don't know. Maybe I'm saying this because I never own one of those. I don't actually mind. That seems so weird to you. I don't mind lizards. I like them. But having them as a pet, it's just like, what?

1:07:16Sal Di Stefano:What am I going to do with it? I've known people that like those things, and I know that aren't like that. but the one that is interesting to me is that there is just a connection there that people that have had childhood trauma tend to also, I think that's more interesting that if you've had childhood trauma, you also probably are more likely to.

1:07:35Adam Schafer:And dogs are special, let's be honest. Dogs are special animals. They're really, really. Best animal.

1:07:40Sal Di Stefano:You know, you said lizard, speaking of lizard skin, Justin's skin doesn't look like lizard skin. Oh, wow, look at that.

1:07:49Justin Andrews:Hey, I'm not shitting.

1:07:50Adam Schafer:I got to ask you guys, what's your favorite? Molting. We all use Caldera Lab. What's your favorite skincare one? Because they have the good. What's the other one called? The good. The good, the great, the base layer.

1:08:04Justin Andrews:They have the hydro layer. What do you guys have a serum?

1:08:06Sal Di Stefano:I have your favorite soap. The good, the serum. The serum is your favorite? Yeah, because I have my psoriasis and it's dry. So pre-Caldera, one of the natural things I used to like is like coconut oil or some sort of an oil on it. And so that natural serum on my dry skin just is so good.

1:08:26Justin Andrews:So I was actually impressed that you guys didn't like totally blast me for having like crazy sunburn. Because over when I went to Laguna Seca and I came back and podcast, I was like still. That was like fresh like a day. And I put the serum on and everything like over the weekend just as like a precautionary thing overnight. It had to have made a difference. Did it help? It was bad. I was like super. Dude, I was like a tomato. No, your skin looks good.

1:08:51Adam Schafer:It does. So I like the good, and then I like the great. Both of my favorites. My wife likes the Hydro Layer the best.

1:08:57Sal Di Stefano:Yeah.

1:08:58Adam Schafer:I mean, I like them all.

1:08:58Sal Di Stefano:I use them all, but the good is what I use the most of. That's the best. Yeah, I think it's easy, too. It's just a couple drops of that goes so far.

1:09:08Adam Schafer:I've told you guys this story. This is like the 10th time this has happened. Someone stopped me and said, you're the Caldera guy. Yeah.

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1:09:30Sal Di Stefano:What are we, like, Z-list? They never used Justin on the commercial.

1:09:35Justin Andrews:They never used me. I'm like, what's up, guys?

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1:11:26Justin Andrews:Our first caller is Kennedy from Missouri. What's up, Kennedy? How you doing, Kennedy? What's happening? Nothing. How are y 'all doing? Good, man. Good, dude. How you doing, bro? Good. It's good to see y 'all again. Um... And it's been good. So I've been running maps since the last time, the performance since the last time we talked. I bumped my calories to 26 to 2800 a day, rather than 1600 that I was doing. um i've really been focusing on like progressive overload while i've been there and trying to increase weights every time i'm in doing a functional day um then the mobility has been a huge huge benefit for me i've always been somebody that's not flexible whatsoever so just like having something that forces me to go in there and stretch and like loosen up is a huge benefit and I've seen drastic changes just in how I feel I would say awesome how easy it is to move around or even do like squats or 10 times easier now that I can move better obviously um and then my leg situation it's probably the best it's been since it happened good news dude um I think there's a mental barrier that got broke of I can't do something when it's just like push yourself past it.

1:12:58Justin Andrews:Because I just started phase three. So it was like box jumps and the ice skaters and stuff. And those are things that I would have never probably pushed myself to do if it wasn't in this program. Because I'd been worried about my leg and my ankle messing up. but I haven't had a single problem with it. Nothing at all. So, um, I haven't weighed since I, we last talked, I mean, maybe once a couple of weeks ago, uh, and it was still the same, um, about one 80. Um, so I haven't gained any weight. My strength went up every time I was in the gym. So it's been great. And I love the program. It's definitely hard, but yeah, good.

1:13:44Adam Schafer:So just to recap, Kennedy, you had a huge injury years ago. Yes. And you had issues with stability around that. And then your calories were really low because you were worried about gaining weight, essentially, or getting really overweight. And what's happened is you're following a good program, which definitely plays a role in what you're feeling right now, for sure. But the bigger impact, and again, they're both very impactful, but the bigger impact is the fact that you went from 1 ,600 to 2 ,600 to 2 ,800 calories. This is what's making such a massive difference in your strength and mobility is that you're eating another 1 ,000 calories.

1:14:27Adam Schafer:And that's what's making such a big difference. And the programming definitely makes a difference, like I said, but the calories are the big thing. And so if you want to keep moving, and what you're noticing is no weight gain on the scale, but you are leaner. In your email, it says you feel leaner.

1:14:41Justin Andrews:I do feel like I can see more definition throughout my shoulders and biceps and stuff like that.

1:14:50Adam Schafer:So what's happened is you've built some muscle and you've lost some body fat. Yep. Now, if you want to keep going down this path, and I'm going to define the path, more strength, more vitality, moving better, faster metabolism, hormones better. You want to keep moving down this path, then I can give you some more advice.

1:15:10Justin Andrews:Yeah, of course. Okay.

1:15:12Adam Schafer:I want you to bump your calories again. Okay. Yeah. I want you to go up. If you're, if you're between 26 to 28, I want you to go up to three to 32. I was gonna say 28 to three. Yeah. But I want you to, yeah, 3000 would be a nice target. Okay. After you're done with maps performance, you can run it again, or you could do map symmetry. Okay. And you're going to keep seeing great results. Yeah. You're going to keep seeing great results doing that. getting stronger every workout uh is it's not just good it's exceptionally good so i mean you're you're kicking ass there's more runway yeah you're humming right now i appreciate the 2600 calories is still too low now it's way more than what you were at but it's still too low because we're still we're doing this body comp change thing when the main goal is let's get you strong dude let's get Get your leg feeling super secure and stable.

1:16:06Adam Schafer:We can worry about getting down to 10 % after we accomplish that, which by the way is going to be a lot easier because you're going to have a roaring metabolism. Oh yeah. You know, you'll be able to cut, let me put it this way. You'll be able to cut down to 24, 2 ,500 calories and get down to 10 % body fat.

1:16:24Justin Andrews:Okay. Yeah. That would be helpful.

1:16:26Adam Schafer:That'll be a deficit for you. Yeah.

1:16:29Justin Andrews:That would be awesome.

1:16:30Adam Schafer:Yeah. so keep moving down this path and bump them up again dude 3 000 is the consistent target after mass performance is done symmetry would be the next program to follow and that's it bro you're doing great perfect thank you all and i appreciate it all and meeting with you all again yeah yeah i'd like to hear how you are after this too because i think

1:16:50Sal Di Stefano:this is i can't wait to hear where you're at after going up to 3 000 3 200 calories you're

1:16:55Adam Schafer:just going to keep building muscle dude and keep leaning out you've literally unlocked something and uh you know i'd like to ask you this and you kind of touched on this a little bit tell me a little bit about the kind of the fear that you overcame with bumping the calories and working out the way you are right now like what does that feel like to you it gave me a confidence that i

1:17:14Justin Andrews:haven't had in a long time um i think a big part of the reason i like told you all last time i fell out of love with the gym was like i did just i just would go in there and i feel like i had no direction like it was the same old like push pull legs same thing every day and so like doing something like this it made me realize like I am a lot more athletic than I guess I thought I was even after my whole incident and that brought back a confidence that was like okay like push past it figure it out be careful doing it but figure it out it doesn't define who I am it doesn't define what my body can do and we can overcome it and make it 10 times better than it was even though it's a crappy situation yeah dude i love yeah i love that you're leaning into the movement especially with the mobility uh and that's really just gonna keep unlocking new potential for you man so it's super exciting what it's gonna feel like if it isn't already

1:18:15Adam Schafer:because you're all you're about you're on phase three so what you're like two months in maybe right 60 days okay yeah it's only two months let me just remind you bro this is 60 days yeah like how long were you eating how long were you eating 1600 calories and doing push pull legs

1:18:29Justin Andrews:from probably january to when i talked to y 'all yeah so this has only been this only two months

1:18:35Adam Schafer:yeah so what it's going to feel like because you're going to feel this if you aren't already in the rest of your life like you're lifting like you're you're you're taking the the blinds off like whoa like you're gonna have more energy in the world uh better mood better libido more confidence and other things because uh had such a profound and by the way it's not just you that'll have a profound impact on anybody you take a man who's active and you force him to eat 1600 calories a day and all of your body systems are down and depressed all of them so that's why you're getting stronger all the time yeah yeah so bump them again 3 000 be consistent after performance follow symmetry you're going to be great dude by the way at the end of symmetry is a bilateral five by five phase which you'll probably be ready for by the end of performance and symmetry and when you get there dude it's going to be you're going to be like holy cow all new gains

1:19:28Sal Di Stefano:waiting for you right there that's right okay perfect you killed it dude great job yeah good job great job thank you all i appreciate it yeah yeah you got it man probably dude yeah reach back

1:19:39Justin Andrews:out in 60 days let us know what's happening send us an email okay sounds good all right later man

1:19:44Adam Schafer:Huge success story. Huge.

1:19:46Justin Andrews:So rad. Huge.

1:19:47Adam Schafer:You know, and by the way, he said something I just want to touch on. He said, I feel more flexible and mobile. And I never thought I was a flexible mobile guy. There's two reasons for that. One, he's 60 days into a program that focuses on mobility. The other, and people don't realize this, is when you're underfed for a long period of time, your body shuts things down. It restricts. It restricts movement. it restricts energy it restricts lots of different things and anything to conserve when you live there for a while it's like this is just how i am is what it feels like and then you know you when i do this with clients uh they would be like i i'm a new person is what they would say that's what he's starting to realize is that he's becoming a new person he's really unlocking

1:20:31Sal Di Stefano:new potential i mean here's it here's another one of these great stories this is the thing that we constantly like uh increase calories by a thousand calories not gaining weight on the scale That's crazy. That isn't math. How does that work? Come on, science guy.

1:20:47Adam Schafer:Did he gain 35 pounds of muscle to boost up that metabolism?

1:20:50Sal Di Stefano:How does that work? It's wild. You see it over and over and over again, though. That's right.

1:20:55Justin Andrews:Our next caller is Arisai from California. Arisai, what's up? Colorado, sorry.

1:21:00Adam Schafer:Arisai, what's up, man? Hey, how's it going, guys? How can we help you?

1:21:06Justin Andrews:First of all, I'm just really excited to be talking to you guys. I've been listening to the podcast for six, seven years, maybe. I even went back to catch up on all the episodes, and I just love your show. I try to share it with everybody that asks me for any type of fitness advice or anything like that. I always tell them, like, listen to these guys. They know what they're talking about. Thanks, man.

1:21:31Sal Di Stefano:Appreciate that, brother. Thank you.

1:21:33Justin Andrews:But basically, so a little bit about me. I'm 27. I've been working out for a while. uh the last like three to four years i started a job that's very physical i'm a food service delivery driver so i drive a semi truck go to restaurants deliver their stuff by hand with the dolly uh i usually get 10 to 15 000 steps in a day and i pick up 20 to 25 000 pounds worth of product every day and so uh i had to cut back a lot on my workout volumes but i kept running into lower back pain issues especially this year i've had twice that i've uh injured myself had to take some a few days off work and kind of let it heal uh thankfully there's no actual like uh disc injuries or anything like that it's just like a muscle hole or something like that so my question to you guys was how can i strengthen my lower back as well as uh maybe i don't know if it might be support it yeah while still going to work every day of the week and doing all that heavy lifting and stuff like that without overdoing it in the end

1:22:50Adam Schafer:Arisai, I'm going to ask you a couple questions just to get some clarity, okay? Yeah. Is it the same kind of back injury each time?

1:22:59Justin Andrews:I think it is because both times, I don't know if it was the same side, but both times when I got hurt, my hip shifted to the side, and I was walking sideways for a few days before it actually got better. Got it.

1:23:11Adam Schafer:And where do you feel the pain?

1:23:15Justin Andrews:Usually right around the very low back to the side, sometimes even down to like uh my hips kind of okay okay and how did you hurt it what were you doing the first time it was just at work i didn't i don't know exactly when i heard it it started hurting and then kind of got worse and worse throughout the day until i couldn't work anymore

1:23:34Adam Schafer:okay good uh the second time was with squats at the gym okay okay it sounds like either ql or psoas but it's probably ql this is a quadratus lumborum is the muscle so you can kind of look it up online and see what it is. So you kind of know what the action is, but essentially it gives you lateral stability. So when your body bends side to side, and then the psoas is a hip flexor muscle that attaches to your leg, but it goes through your body and attaches in the lower part of your spine. And so sometimes the hip flexor can get pulled because it's trying to stabilize and other muscles aren't doing what they're supposed to.

1:24:11Adam Schafer:And when it does, it hurts on the side of the lower back. So it sounds like it's one of those two things. What you would want to do essentially is strengthen the supporting areas and even strengthen those muscles themselves. So you're probably like, okay, well, what does that look like program wise? I think a program that will generally address some of that is MAPS Symmetry 15. I think that might be good considering your workload. And so you're basically just doing a couple exercises a day. Um, and it's, it's unilateral, which I think would address some of the issues that you might be dealing with.

1:24:52Justin Andrews:Yeah. I, once I got hurt at the gym with squats, I switched to doing, uh, lunges and we're in split squats instead and didn't have an issue with it.

1:25:00Adam Schafer:Yeah. Good.

1:25:01Justin Andrews:So I would like to get back to squatting at some point.

1:25:04Adam Schafer:Yes, but of course, but we need to, we need to work on some of those stability issues before you start to train heavy right yeah yeah once we load it

1:25:12Justin Andrews:then it kind of leaves you open susceptible if there's uh any instability still so we we got to address that we gotta get strong in that first so you know really take your time with that um and then to like you know hip bridges and things like that really gradually introduce rotation which is something that might you know you got to be real careful with that but that's something too that's like a windmill would be great, you know, additionally down the road to start working on.

1:25:38Adam Schafer:There's two. So what I'm going to do is I'm going to send you map symmetry 15. That's your workout, which by the way, you're going to love. You're going to love how you feel and you're going to build muscle, do all that stuff. I'm also going to send you two videos of two exercises that you can practice pretty regularly, almost every day, maybe every other day. One video is a windmill and I think that's just a great mobility movement to do before you go to work. So like before you start your day, you can do like five reps on each side, something like that. Maybe do it halfway through the day also, do a couple.

1:26:09Adam Schafer:And then I'm going to send you something. The title of that video is Hip Flexor Deactivating Crunches or Hip Flexor Deactivators. And so what you could do with both of those is you could practice a little bit, spend 10 minutes before you start work or maybe at the end of work or in the middle of the day. And you don't have to do them every day, but every other day is perfectly fine. And then your workouts, MAPS 15. and I think that'll probably solve your issue.

1:26:35Justin Andrews:Okay, yeah, it sounds good. I already ran just the regular MAPS 15, and I really liked it. And it's funny how, like, you get all that progress, and it feels like you're not doing anything. Yeah, no, 100%, dude. Trips me out all the time.

1:26:49Adam Schafer:You'll like Symmetry 15. So Symmetry 15 is unilateral focused, which is, I think, what you need.

1:26:55Justin Andrews:Yeah, for sure, because I've been doing a lot of just regular squats, deadlifts for a long time, And I think I do need to go to, you know, Lyo side for a while. Oh yeah.

1:27:05Adam Schafer:Nothing's wrong with the squats and deadlifts and a lot of stuff. That's great. You'll get back to that. You just need to bolster it. Yeah. But you've been doing it for a long time. And then on top of it, you know, you're, you're lifting boxes and moving things. You know, it says your email 20 to 25 times a day, uh, you know, uh, a day, uh, or 20 times a day, 25 pounds a day, essentially. And you know, that involves like twisting. One leg is forward. You got to put it somewhere. You're not doing this perfect squat, deadlift, straight ahead all the time. There's a little bit of movement, and I think that's where you're getting your issue.

1:27:36Justin Andrews:Yeah, there's a lot of awkward lifting because you're just pulling stuff off of a pallet, and it could be in the backside, and you've got to step over stuff. It's just a lot of that.

1:27:45Sal Di Stefano:The long-term prescription sounds exactly what the guys just prescribed. Then you can go to regular MAPS 15 after that, but as long as you just inject the symmetry and keep doing the windmill and the deactivator. Do those nonstop all the time before you work and after you work and then follow Symmetry 15 and then after Symmetry 15, you go to regular Maps 15 and just toggle back and forth between those two. That'll support you to build muscle, take care of everything.

1:28:17Justin Andrews:Okay, nice.

1:28:18Sal Di Stefano:Yep.

1:28:20Adam Schafer:Yeah, thanks, man. Yeah.

1:28:22Justin Andrews:Yeah, I also want to shout you guys out because you guys, because of you, I found Huel and I've really been using it a lot this last month because I had double jaw surgery four weeks ago. I'm all liquid right now and I haven't lost any weight. I'm still maintaining my weight. Nice, dude. That's killer. Yeah, thanks, dude. Yeah, but it was really nice talking to you guys. Really big fan and appreciate everything you guys do. Thanks, brother.

1:28:46Adam Schafer:We appreciate the support. Thanks, man.

1:28:48Justin Andrews:Yeah, thank you.

1:28:50Adam Schafer:Yeah, that's a common issue. If my back

1:28:56Justin Andrews:ever gets hurt it's ql i know same yeah i've been through that process a few times and it sucks it

1:29:01Adam Schafer:does it's uh and i'll even do a basic super basic exercise that most fitness people laugh at which is like dumbbell side bends you know which is actually not a bad strength it's not you know it's not as dynamic as a windmill but it's a basic well that lateral stability is like crucial dude

1:29:17Justin Andrews:it's you dude especially when you're lifting things yep our next caller is autumn from ohio

1:29:22Adam Schafer:Hi, Autumn. Hi, Autumn. Hello.

1:29:24Justin Andrews:Hi.

1:29:25Adam Schafer:How can we help you?

1:29:27Justin Andrews:So I kind of wrote in my email kind of my question, but the biggest thing is I've not seen progress in my lower body strength in about like two years, I'd say. I recently got off of being pretty lean and I kind of expected to get stronger as a result of that, but I haven't seen progress in like especially like my squat or most of my lower body exercises so i didn't know what you guys think could be the problem you fall on a math program i'm not i i do my own programming

1:30:00Adam Schafer:currently yeah problem one it's one of two things so or i'll say one of three things either you're really really strong and you're hitting uh you're getting to the point where adding strength is very difficult or you're not eating enough or properly, or it's your workout programming is the issue. Or a combination of all three. Or a combination. So let's dive into those. So what lifts are you interested in building up? Your squat, I would assume?

1:30:28Justin Andrews:Yeah, the biggest one is my squat.

1:30:30Adam Schafer:And what does your squat look like? Give me some numbers here.

1:30:34Justin Andrews:So the most I've ever done was 245 for six. Okay.

1:30:38Adam Schafer:You're really strong. Yeah, You're already really damn strong. Yeah, yeah. So gaining more strength is going to be more difficult for you than if you were squatting 100 pounds. Yeah.

1:30:48Sal Di Stefano:245 for six is really strong. Yeah, you're strong. Most girls can't even PR that one time. So to rep that six times is incredibly strong.

1:30:57Adam Schafer:Yeah. So you're already in the top 1 % of strength. Tell me about your nutrition. What does your diet look like?

1:31:05Justin Andrews:So I do eat mostly whole foods, and I eat a lot. I'm very hungry. I have a fast metabolism, so I definitely eat enough. I recently was thinking about doing a cut just because I have gained a good amount of body fat, but I haven't really started it.

1:31:21Adam Schafer:What's your calories at right now?

1:31:24Justin Andrews:So I haven't tracked in a couple weeks, but usually I'm hitting close to like 2 ,800 to 3 ,000.

1:31:29Adam Schafer:Okay, so it's probably not food, so let's look at programming. Explain your workout to me. What does it look like?

1:31:35Justin Andrews:so right now i do do three lower body days and then i do one or two upper body days and on the lower body days i typically do one to two heavier days where i'll do like squat bulgarian split squat something like that and the other one more like accessory focused so two days are heavier

1:31:53Adam Schafer:compound one is accessory how many total sets are you doing in each of those workouts count up all the sets yeah might be uh i'd say about like 12 to 15 each workout per workout yeah oh yeah that's a lot your programming is the problem you're doing overdoing it you're doing remarkably well considering the you're you're doing way too much volume you gotta recover if you want to get stronger which tells me you've got some good genetics on your hand uh on your side too so how

1:32:23Justin Andrews:So what would you recommend? Like how much, how many sets per workout?

1:32:29Adam Schafer:So, well, let me, let me, let me. We'll just give you a program. Yeah. Let me pause there for a second. How long have you been listening to us?

1:32:35Justin Andrews:About two years now.

1:32:37Adam Schafer:All right. And you really want to get strong. It sounds like this is what you really want to do.

1:32:40Justin Andrews:Yeah.

1:32:40Adam Schafer:Why haven't you gotten one of our programs?

1:32:43Justin Andrews:I've wanted to. I might get one for my birthday is what I was planning on. We'll take care of you. I just haven't had the money to.

1:32:49Adam Schafer:I'll send, I'm going to send you power lift. Yeah. Yeah.

1:32:52Justin Andrews:Okay.

1:32:52Adam Schafer:And you're going to hit some PRs.

1:32:54Sal Di Stefano:follow it the way it's laid out

1:32:56Adam Schafer:don't add don't add a bunch of stuff to it Autumn

1:32:59Justin Andrews:don't switch out the upper body with the lower body either

1:33:01Adam Schafer:just do exactly the same you're going to hit PRs in all your lifts

1:33:07Sal Di Stefano:don't diet yet either keep your calories where you're at wait until after the power lift if you want to do a cut do it after a power lift that way we get the gains so stay

1:33:18Justin Andrews:like cardio wise would you recommend not really doing cardio

1:33:21Sal Di Stefano:what are you doing right now

1:33:23Justin Andrews:right now i do sprints once a week and then i mostly just walk besides that walking's perfect

1:33:29Adam Schafer:you're fine you stay stay with that yeah you can keep maintaining that all right so here's what we're gonna do i'm gonna give you power lift and in three months you're gonna come back on the show

1:33:37Justin Andrews:and i want to hear what happened yeah okay all right any any gains though just in strength from

1:33:44Sal Di Stefano:where you're at is incredible by the way i guess you're you're we are we are hitting you've been I'm assuming for quite a while now. This will be a real test to see. Yeah, like five years. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Programming matters.

1:33:54Adam Schafer:Now the two, two, was it 245 or 262? 245 for six. Now that was your all time best. Are you able to do that now? Or what do you think you can do now?

1:34:01Justin Andrews:Um, most recently, like last week I did 225 for eight with a belt.

1:34:06Adam Schafer:Oh, so you're close. Okay, cool. All right. Can't wait to see what happens in a few months. I know. Yeah. Cool.

1:34:11Justin Andrews:Yeah.

1:34:11Adam Schafer:I'm excited. Thank you guys. And then maybe you can compete in powerlifting because you got some numbers. Yeah. Young lady. Yeah. Maybe. Yeah, you're doing great. All right, we'll see you in 90 days.

1:34:21Justin Andrews:Cool. Thank you, guys. You got it.

1:34:22Adam Schafer:Right on. You said fucking two or 45 sets a week.

1:34:27Justin Andrews:Just casually throwing that out there.

1:34:28Adam Schafer:Like 40 plus sets a week.

1:34:30Sal Di Stefano:I scored it yesterday. It was 225 for eight.

1:34:35Sal Di Stefano:That's exactly my number size yesterday. I don't want to go too much. That's an insane. I was taking it really easy. I was taking it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I was like, I'm sore as shit. That's an insane amount of volume.

1:34:47Adam Schafer:Yeah, bro. And so that's why she's not getting stronger.

1:34:49Sal Di Stefano:Now, I imagine she's probably, obviously, over a year. She's been doing, I bet, five years pretty consistent. Yeah. And so she's peaked. And the only thing that's going to get it is giving herself more recovery.

1:35:01Justin Andrews:And it kind of points to what the common thought would be to just switch out upper body, make more emphasis on legs and add more. And it just doesn't work like that.

1:35:12Adam Schafer:No, there's a point where you get not just diminishing returns and go backwards. The fact that she's maintaining strength in my life. volume oh i know so pretty resilient well it's also a testament to her feeding yeah she's taking care of her feeding at least what are your predictions on uh what she'll be doing by the end i don't dude i don't that's 15 no way bro are you kidding me no i no way i think her for one rep max her best ever was 245 for six yeah i think she's gonna do uh 265 to like close to 260 for six i think will be what she'll end with yeah i don't know that's that's a that is

1:35:46Sal Di Stefano:tough to take somebody like that to squeeze more the only reason why i'm saying that is she's that

1:35:51Adam Schafer:strong with doing 40 sets a week of legs i know so in fact if all she did and i don't want to say this to her because i want her to follow our program that's the best one just cut it in half if i if i take out one of those days and then cut the sets down by a third on the other ones that alone would have had a bump yeah her strength considerably yeah yeah it'll be interesting to

1:36:08Sal Di Stefano:see i mean trying to squeeze more out of that is uh is going to be hard i mean at this point in her lifting career, she's going to see no matter what.

1:36:17Adam Schafer:A 20-pound gain would be amazing.

1:36:18Sal Di Stefano:Yeah. She's going to see incremental strength gains. And then it also should be highlighted. At this level where she's at, not only is it programming, diet, all things, but then also rest that week and sleep. Like all the other stressors in your life, like to see the slightest bit off of any of that could swing her 10 pounds north or south.

1:36:42Justin Andrews:Our next caller is Hunter from Utah. Yo. What's up, dude? Hunter, Hunter. Hey, how are you guys? Oh, my gosh. This is not real. What the fuck? Yeah. Watch your language, young man. Hey, I said fuss.

1:36:54Sal Di Stefano:I said fuss.

1:36:55Adam Schafer:Oh, okay. All right. All right. Good for good.

1:36:58Sal Di Stefano:Good save, dude.

1:36:59Justin Andrews:All right, dude. How can we help you, man? Awesome. I'll read my question. So first, I wanted to shout out Jackie. She is amazing. All right. She is awesome. Thanks. Okay. So I said, what's up, guys? I sent you a grad card. I don't know if you got it. I just graduated. But I'm heading out on a two-year mission for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to Puebla, Mexico next week. And I'm really passionate about fitness, and I don't want to lose the progress I've built. But the structure of a mission and mission life makes training really a challenge. So here's my situation. I have 30 minutes to 45 minutes.

1:37:42Justin Andrews:I've exercised a day and I'll be on my feet and walking most of the day. And I have no idea whether I'll have access to a gym or any equipment. The one thing I know is that I'm bringing a jump rope for cardio and resistance bands. My question is, what's the most effective way to build or at least maintain muscle with just 30 minutes a day and a body weight only training as my baseline? I want a protocol that I can actually run with no matter where I'm assigned. but that I can also scale up if I do happen to get gym access. What would you program? How do you think about structuring something like this when the interface effects from all that daily walking is already in play?

1:38:28Justin Andrews:Thanks so much. Love what you guys do.

1:38:30Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, thanks, man. I would Mass 15 with a suspension trainer. Yeah. You could throw that around a tree. Not the advanced plan, but the first one, yeah.

1:38:38Adam Schafer:Yeah, so it sounds like you're probably mostly not going to have access, regular access to a gym.

1:38:45Justin Andrews:Yeah, that's correct. I haven't heard anything about a gym. I would mostly just be in my apartment exercising and stuff like that. That's why 15 suspension would be so good because then if he does,

1:38:55Sal Di Stefano:he goes the freeway version.

1:38:57Adam Schafer:So MAPS 15 is you're doing basically two lifts a day, every day. You can either do the suspension trainer version. Do you know what a suspension trainer is?

1:39:07Justin Andrews:oh yeah it's like the thing where you like that's right connect and you like that's right and stuff

1:39:10Adam Schafer:right now if you have access to a barbell like you have the blue then you could do a barbell version and it's in the same program awesome all right here's what i'm gonna do because i think uh when we get off i want you to email us your address i'm gonna send you mass 15 and i'm gonna send you a suspension trainer oh wow as a graduation as a graduation gift oh thank you so much you got

1:39:29Justin Andrews:it dude go do good work man all right just to the same email that i i've been emailing before yes send your address

1:39:37Adam Schafer:and say hey the guy said they'd send me a suspension trainer so you'll have it all taken care of and you can pack it super easy it doesn't take up much space at all

1:39:43Justin Andrews:okay thank you so much guys you're the best be good dude bye bye

1:39:51Adam Schafer:I love how he said what the fuss I thought he said I said what the fuss I'm like oh okay dude

1:40:04Adam Schafer:well two years dude he's got there for two years and that's perfect adam i was thinking um i was thinking other probably bands i mean anywhere bands or 100 they're a little longer workouts maybe he gets access to gym here and there yeah boom barbells right and both plans are

1:40:20Sal Di Stefano:and the suspension trainer is so great uh because i like the way you can progress i mean you can make it hard yeah yeah so bands are gonna be and he could throw that on a tree like you can do that Outside, you could do that anywhere. There's a doorway. Yeah, and it travels really easy. It's just one tool that you can bring. And so, I mean, any of those programs would work. I just, I personally, myself, I would run that protocol. And then if I get lucky and I get near a gym, I'm going to lift weights and follow it. Otherwise, I'm going to do a suspension trainer.

1:40:46Justin Andrews:You'd be surprised what you can preserve and also gain with suspension trainers.

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