2943: Your Bulk Is Not Working! Here Are the 5 Signs You Are Doing It Wrong

16:59Justin Andrews:Fuel is in there, yeah.

16:59Adam Schafer:When you're in a proper bulk or reverse diet, you should have more energy. You should feel better. In fact, this is pretty much always the case when it's done properly. People come back and say, I just feel a lot better.

17:11Justin Andrews:So you think it's mainly the types of foods that they're choosing within this bulk that would kind of determine that energy and also like inflammation and things like digestion? Or not enough.

17:23Adam Schafer:Yeah, all things being equal, still good whole food-based diet, high protein, more calories or surplus, you'll have more energy. Obviously, there's more energy that's available. You know, it's interesting when you look at the, on studies on individuals, when they take people and they cut their calories. So they've done these really cool studies where they'll put trackers on people that will track their movement. Okay. So it just tracks their daily movement. Then they'll cut their calories or bump their calories. Whenever you cut someone's calories, like clockwork, their daily activity drops, even though they're not aware of it.

18:00Adam Schafer:Oftentimes people ask them, are you moving less? They're like, no, I'm not moving less. but they pick consciously it's they pick up on it less they're standing less they're walking less they're they're moving their hands less this is how your body you know convert conserves energy when your calories go up you tend to move more and have more energy so you should feel more energy

18:18Sal Di Stefano:on a good bulk there's a there's a compounding effect there too i've noticed this with my own behaviors like uh calories go up uh energy goes up uh strength and consistency in the gym goes up also daily activity all goes up like it's like and the reverse is true and to your point if you were to ask me and i know because i've tracked so diligently for so long and so obviously i'd have the right answer but if i didn't have all that data and you asked me i would think on the days that i'm really sedentary that it's really not that big of a difference than on the other days because it feels the same i feel just as tired from work yeah i feel like i accomplished the same amount but it's like it's wild how much of that subconsciously when you are fueling the body properly, you're training properly, how much you're just, your neat goes up.

19:05Sal Di Stefano:Totally. Your neat goes up organically and yet subconsciously it feels the same.

19:11Adam Schafer:Yeah. Because you're, you're counting structured movement and exercise. You're not counting the like, you know, I'm sitting in my chair swinging side to side or standing up more and stuff like that, which all, like I said, it's very well documented. They track this. Your body will modify that movement and you won't even be aware of it unless it's extreme.

19:29Sal Di Stefano:To me, we've talked about it on the podcast many times. I've shared my own journey of like, you know, I've connected it to like I'm a better husband and father when I'm training and eating well, and that's part of what keeps me motivated.

19:43Adam Schafer:Yeah, why don't you talk about what it's like being a husband or a father pre-contest? Yeah.

19:49Sal Di Stefano:This is a well-known fact. No, you're 100 % right.

19:51Adam Schafer:Nobody wants to be around. I have friends that are bodybuilders, and their wives know, all right, we're going to pre-contest. so-and-so is going to be a jerk. Yeah. And we just got to deal with it. Yeah, you're low calorie, you're low energy.

20:03Sal Di Stefano:You don't want to do stuff like that. And the opposite is true when you're fueled properly and you're working out and in a bulk like that, it feels amazing. And I don't, you like, I just get up and do more stuff. I see the kitchen's dirty. I just get up and I clean like that versus put me in a calorie deficit and or missing workouts. And it's like, yeah, I don't have, I just don't want to do it. You sit there, you're not going to get up. And it's taken years of really peering into that to connect those dots and go like oh wow there's a significant difference remember in the extreme

20:31Adam Schafer:case adam when you were doing the experiment with the oh yeah where you were just eating very little just to like let's this let's see what people experienced i remember you telling me the thing you noticed the most was the low energy yeah you were like i have to decide to either clean the

20:45Sal Di Stefano:house or workout can't do both yeah oh yeah no it was it was an either or for sure because i knew i didn't i didn't want to do either but i knew i had to do one of them yeah i was like i can't i I can't fail on the workout thing and fail as a husband. It's like, I got to choose. Yeah, I wasn't doing both though. There was no way. I just didn't have it in me to do both. And I battled that daily. Daily felt that. Now, you're highlighting an extreme example of that. But I mean, I think that is happening to us on a smaller scale. You just don't realize it. And that's why, because it's not as extreme.

21:17Sal Di Stefano:So it's not as obvious to people. But that's happening.

21:20Adam Schafer:It's so well documented that people will often argue that the metabolism boost that comes from a reverse diet is more to do with this kind of activity outside of exercise. Now, that doesn't cover it all, but it is so well-documented that it does happen.

21:36Sal Di Stefano:No, that's one of the arguments I've always made in defense of when people try and argue that, like one pound of muscle doesn't burn that many more calories. It's okay, fair enough. Like if you cut out the tissue and you measure it in the lab and it doesn't tell a full story. And you're right. it doesn't account for a guy with five more pounds of muscle, what he has to do inside the gym to have built that muscle, keep that muscle, and the energy, and the food he has to fuel in order to do all that. That gives him more energy. So there is this massive compounding effect that happens subconsciously that all plays in the factor.

22:14Sal Di Stefano:At the end of the day, when we're training clients, it doesn't matter how we got her metabolism to 800 more calories a day. But we do it all the time. Yeah, it happens. exactly like predictable i don't care to fight over the science of exactly the mechanism at which got there i just know the facts of i've done hundreds of people yeah i've seen that happen to and at the end of the day if it works for them and they now have attached and created those behavior for the rest of their life it's it's working that's right and lastly your sleep isn't

22:44Adam Schafer:better so one of the characteristics of being in a deficit is you don't have good sleep or your sleep doesn't feel restful. So anybody who's been a deficit for a long period of time knows what this is like. It's either I can't get enough sleep or man, I'm going to bed and I got this kind of restless feeling. Being in a surplus, having that much energy improves sleep across the board. Of course, again, this is in the context of a healthy bulk, whole natural foods, appropriate training. But if you're going in a bulk and your sleep isn't better or worse, it's worse um then that's kind of a red flag that you're not doing it uh in the right way so you

23:21Sal Di Stefano:know you you didn't list this on here but i think it deserves an honorable mention that i've connected the dots to you i've heard from clients all the times um impact on libido i i've seen a lot of clients who goes up who yes when they and it goes down in the cut right when when they when they are eating when i put them on a bulk it's one of the things i constantly would hear feedback of like within a week yeah i know libido and and a lot of times when you have been underfed for such a long period of time libido is one of the things that is crashed even for people who thought they had an okay libido oh right they'll be like oh i'm no i'm fine and then they go on a bulk yeah then they go to bulk and they're like wow you know and again there's probably a compounding effect there they're bulking they're building more muscle extra calories justin perfect dude totally all right uh

24:09Adam Schafer:I got to bring this up again. So recently I talked about how old machines, because I'm going to a gym right now that has both new and old machines because the gym's been there for a long time, and everything's kept up really well. So I like older machines, like machines from like the 90s, early 2000s. None are from the 80s, although I'd love to find those. But they made them different back in the day. I talked about this on a previous episode, where old machines were really designed for bodybuilders and athletes. new machines are designed to have a small footprint be easy to use safety and safety and the average person so a lot of things are different between the old machines and the new machines the old machines were more hardcore than the new machines and there's one other and i talked about some of the differences but there's one big i just picked on pick this up today i went and i haven't done a leg extension in a long time okay i rarely ever do leg extensions when i work out my legs i prefer doing other exercises but anytime i do do a leg extension at a gym i could do the whole stack the stack is never heavy i'll do 25 reps with the whole stack the old ones are bro the stacks on old machines were made for bodybuilders just the levers i automatically went whole stack and i was like oh boy that's way too heavy and i'm like oh yeah i remember like old machines were

25:23Justin Andrews:for strong dudes yeah yeah so you whole stack starting point is already kind of yeah yeah

25:28Adam Schafer:I typically use the whole stack on new machines and any exercise

25:33Sal Di Stefano:I trained in the gym yesterday and I used a dip machine and I was doing stack the whole thing

25:40Adam Schafer:bro use a dip machine from 97 bro you're going to go halfway down the stack it's got a whole new deck I was cracking up I literally took the pen and I went all the way to the bottom just out of habit and I'm like, pick myself up in the chair. I'm like, oh no, dude, what is going on? Anyway, I got to tell you guys about my uncle who he got back to me. So I told you guys last weekend, we did tomatoes. So my whole family came together and my uncle comes up and he doesn't work out or anything, but I guess I'm on his algorithm. So he comes up to me and he goes, hey, he goes, one of the products you talk about, I've been using for a while.

26:21Adam Schafer:I've been putting in my coffee. I'm like, in your coffee? I'm like, Paleo Valley protein? He's like, yeah, I love it. I'm like, how do you feel? He's like, man, I feel great. I have more energy. He's like, I gained a couple pounds though. I'm like, what do you mean you gained a couple pounds? So we started talking more and turned out my aunt has been making him eat sweets. I'm like, I don't think that's what's happening too. I don't think you're under calorie of protein. But he loves it. He loves how he feels. He loves adding it to his coffee. Normally he would just have coffee. And now he's having the Paleo Valley protein in there.

26:50Adam Schafer:And he likes the way it tastes.

26:51Sal Di Stefano:Doug and I just had our final walkthrough on one of the properties. and the agent that was doing the walkthrough with us, you know, afterwards, she was curious about what we did. And so she went and must have researched this. And then after that, like the algorithm has been falling out. Now it's all over her. Yeah, yeah. So the last time we, this last time when we walked through, she's like, so tell me about this Paleo Valley bone broth because I can't, I'm lactose intolerant. Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm like, oh man. I was like, boy, that algorithm is pretty good. The fact that she didn't know who we were.

27:22Sal Di Stefano:She went and Googled us with it. And then within like a day was asking Doug and I about Paleo Valley. And I was like, oh, my God. I'm like, that's a pretty good advertising there.

27:31Adam Schafer:By far. And this is what my uncle told me. Because, again, he doesn't work out. He doesn't care. And he's like, I was afraid to buy it because I hate protein powders. They always taste gross. He goes, this one is so good, as I told you, bro. Yeah. It's the best tasting. That's what I was telling her.

27:43Sal Di Stefano:I'm like, I think especially for somebody who is lactose and you can't have dairy, can't have whey. Because whey typically is one of the best tasting protein. It's one of the better ones. Yeah, that you could taste. But a lot of people, they're intolerant to it or it bothers them a little bit, right? And so the bone broth is just so good. And I love that I can do - It's easy to digest. I love that I can go high. Yo, I can do 70 grams of protein in it, no problem. To be able to, like I can't, even with, I can have whey, again, I've talked about this before where I can do whey proteins. I just have to have a moderate amount.

28:18Adam Schafer:Yeah.

28:18Sal Di Stefano:Once a day is enough for me. And I definitely can't do like a double up shake. Like if I had like 60 to 80 grams away in one sitting, like that'll mess me up.

28:27Adam Schafer:You fart city.

28:27Sal Di Stefano:But I can do 60 to 80 grams of the bone broth. I do it all the time. And it digests so easy. It's like water. Yes. I know. Yeah. So that's a huge win.

28:36Adam Schafer:Did you guys, have you guys seen the new dating app? It's real, by the way. That's kind of going around. The new one? Yeah, Doug, look up. How do they change it? Look up the dating app. So this is interesting, dude. And I almost could have predicted this. So it's called, Doug, look this up. It's unjected. So U N J E C T E D. Unjected. Unjected.

28:58Justin Andrews:Instead of rejected, you're unjected. Nope. It is. Oh, for people,

29:03Adam Schafer:people, people who want to date people who were never vaccinated with the COVID vaccine. It's literally a dating website for people who never got the COVID vaccine.

29:14Sal Di Stefano:I mean, I feel like this is kind of a way of being like a, the non-political way of saying the political thing. I feel like,

29:21Justin Andrews:that's what that is not not necessarily this but like um so way back when like i was telling you guys like one of my my sister-in-law was looking at you know getting a donor uh you know and so like one of the parameters i'm like did you find out like you know the history like how much detail do they give you and it's like i did i don't think they were revealing or not but then they

29:42Adam Schafer:start revealing if they had the the vaccine or not yes i i'm so i heard this not confirmed but I heard that donors, like sperm donors that are unvaccinated, they'll charge more or more demand.

29:56Justin Andrews:Yes, that's what I heard too. Is it true?

30:00Adam Schafer:Are sperm donors who did not get the COVID vaccine in higher demand? Let's look that up. But it's crazy that they have a dating site.

30:09Sal Di Stefano:Unvaccinated dating site. I mean, don't you feel like that's a subtle way of being like.

30:13Adam Schafer:Well, there's a lot of conjecture and conspiracy theory stuff out there. is it true not i don't know we won't get into that but um but people want it yeah they want to

30:25Justin Andrews:date people about it whoever like threw that my way on my story isn't gonna like this oh you had somebody you had somebody yeah they're like challenging me on our our covid science and what yeah all the stuff that you listed yeah everything you listed was a fact well yeah no i i listed that as a response yeah as a response because it was like i i think they they had a hard time because we mentioned a lot of studies all the time and you know back a lot of what we say with science and they're you know obviously just looking at one specific study that was like you know making it look like uh the you know the vaccines like had a pretty high effectiveness which is like oh that's interesting because like i've seen a lot of conflicting studies oh there's people that still believe that yeah oh that's funny oh yeah that's hilarious like you know i

31:14Sal Di Stefano:Do you guys get, CVS sends me the, get your COVID-19. Are they sending that to you? Yeah, yeah. The robot one or what that? I'm so petty. I send a message back. Laugh out loud. No, you don't. To the robot?

31:25Adam Schafer:Yeah.

31:30Sal Di Stefano:Like, I'm really going to go get that. Come on. Bro, are you serious? People that really believe that it had that much of an impact. Wow. That's interesting.

31:37Justin Andrews:Yeah. Yeah, it is interesting. You know, it just goes to show, too, like how segmented we are and like how much. No, no, no, no.

31:44Sal Di Stefano:and what it goes to show, which is such a perfect transition for this because I wanted to bring it up anyways, is what Chris Nagibi just talked about. And it's like, how well media paints a narrative and how well, and today, how crazy it is where - So, holds all the power.

32:00Justin Andrews:What I love about this episode,

32:02Sal Di Stefano:Chris did such a good job on this episode. It's one of my favorite episodes he's ever done. Higher Standard is his podcast. So yeah, our good friend, we've been on the show before, Chris Nagibi, Higher Standard podcast. and what I love that he set the table before he went just telling hit like history like this has

32:18Adam Schafer:been happening for 200 years yeah so just a little context so historically speaking so if you live in a first of all this is important in all societies but it's especially important and valuable in a free society where people make choices so if you live in a society like you do if you're listening to this podcast you probably live in one of those societies where you can choose for the most part what you can buy, what you don't want to buy, where you want to live, who you can vote for. When you have that kind of choice, who controls the narrative, which is done largely through media, has a lot of power, right?

32:53Adam Schafer:Because you can sway people in different directions. And this is not new. We've known this forever. We've done this for a long time. But look at the first newspapers and who bought those and on those and why. And when it was TV, how TV became influenced. Radio. Radio became influenced. Magazines. Magazines. Now it's like social media. So whoever controls the narrative, that's very valuable for either companies. The platform dictates. Or politicians or anything is who can control. The narrative tends to control the situation. And by the way, the reason why this came up, and you know our one of our friends is involved in this and i so i respect the guy i think you know he does a good job but it was really interesting to me when i saw um our friends podcasts be the highest selling podcast of all time so this was the tbpn i think that's what's called tbpn podcast so this was a they called it like sports center for silicon valley so it was a podcast uh and they kind of treated it like sports center where they're reporting on what's going on talking about Silicon Valley.

33:58Adam Schafer:It was this super new podcast that got bought recently for hundreds of millions. Yeah. So some,

34:05Justin Andrews:so just under Joe Rogan.

34:07Adam Schafer:Yeah. Like around$200 million. Now the reason why this was interesting was because Joe Rogan gets 10 million views or listens. He gets a million an episode. They got like very little, very little in comparison. They weren't producing. there was nothing that justified the selling of their podcast for nearly that much except for and this is what we speculated on i think this is what's happened that ai companies in particular first off they have really low approval ratings so ai is like it's this emerging technology tons of potential money in it everybody knows this like this is why so many trillions of dollars getting dumped into it but ai uh there's been some backlash though like public perception around it is like iffy yeah and you know public perception uh public perception goes the wrong way

34:58Justin Andrews:it'll get regulated into into smithereens have you seen all those commencement speeches oh yeah that are flying around yeah and then mention it and everybody's just that's why this has become

35:08Adam Schafer:so important so owning the narrative is very important for an ai company okay and who bought

35:15Justin Andrews:their podcast data centers all this stuff and who bought their podcast for 200 million dollars right

35:19Adam Schafer:It was Anthropic. Yeah. Was it Anthropic?

35:22Sal Di Stefano:Sam Altman. Yeah, I think that's the one, right? Well, Anthropic, yes.

35:26Adam Schafer:And then they bought it and they canceled their app. So whatever money they were making, they stopped. No advertising.

35:31Justin Andrews:Yeah.

35:32Adam Schafer:How can a podcast who, first off, wasn't earning nowhere near what would be worth$200 million in purchase, and how could they sell for that much? And then on top of it, why would a company buy that and cancel advertising anyway so it makes no money? It's because they want to control the narrative. And they need a propaganda arm or an arm of media. And there really wasn't a good popular one in Silicon Valley. And you got these guys on there. One of them we know well. He does a good job. Good looking kids. Smart, sharp.

36:01Justin Andrews:They're smart as a whip.

36:01Adam Schafer:It's like, hey, let's buy this and let's use this to control the narrative. And by the way, that's what I speculate. When I saw that, I'm like, oh, God, I know what happened.

36:10Sal Di Stefano:Well, and what have I been saying about the whole AI movement right now, too? that so much of it is propped up and they need to keep all the money flowing there. And you ask, why? Well, of course, there's all these companies that want to IPO where they make big money. But even if they don't IPO, and this was like, this was huge for me to kind of see behind the curtain in the last like five years being a part of a lot of people that are VCs and do seed rounds and funding and have close friends, people that are on Forbes magazine, stuff like that, that I got to talk to and talk business intimately on how all this worked.

36:48Sal Di Stefano:I was so unfamiliar 10 years ago on how all this worked. And when I saw it, I remember sharing with you guys, and I don't know how much of that I've shared publicly on here, but I know we've talked about it, that I was like so blown away by the hustle. Yeah, the VC hustle. Yeah, just that like, so when something, especially like this, like AI, when billions of dollars are flowing in a direction of a movement and they're popping up all over the place. You don't even care if that company ever makes it to IPO. So long as you can keep it growing and raising money every six months to a year, seed rounds and then series A and then you keep going and keep going.

37:35Sal Di Stefano:what these what these founders can do is every round that comes around you go oh we're right we hey we grew this much over the last year even though we spent this much to grow that much so we're still negative but we're growing we need another 10 million dollars cool so you get 10 million dollars and he goes like this i'll take 1 million for myself and we'll pump 9 million back

37:55Adam Schafer:into it to make it to the next and to be clear many of the biggest companies in the world that we know about did that for a long time before they became extremely like amazon wasn't profitable for like 10 years tesla like so it's the game and what they're doing is they're betting well yeah so you're you just you just named uh two outliers that's right some of the winners how many hundreds

38:16Sal Di Stefano:yeah of losers a huge percentage don't ever even come close to that and making that way meanwhile they're still making a ton of money and so it's like a good old boys club where it's like hey let's all agree just keep pushing this narrative this direction we all eat because if if we keep and that's this by the way this is this is good news and bad news this is scare stuff too that's why that's my point like when you bring oh my god like it's keeping it top of news yeah so whether whether it's there's fear-mongering happening on what ai is going to kill all of us or it's going to be doing our dishes in the next month it doesn't matter so long as it's top of the news and everyone's talking about it and it's going to revel it's like it's dot-com all over again

38:58Adam Schafer:And here's the big thing. So for a long time, tech has enjoyed the advantage of having good public perception for a while up until relatively recently. Relatively recently, there's been criticism. There's been cynicism around tech.

39:13Justin Andrews:You saw it affect the elections.

39:15Adam Schafer:Yeah. Like when the iPhone first came out, like it was – everybody was like, let's go. This is awesome. Apple is the best company in the world. Amazon is amazing. Now people are more cynical and skeptical. political um public policy is starting to move in that direction social media is starting to get regulated tech moguls are getting criticized they're looked at as bad guys in some cases they were heroes before you know steve jobs was the guy like every they were all heroes because it was new so what my point with that is today more than ever and definitely next five or ten years they are going to need to control the narrative they are investing heavily in controlling No different than politicians.

39:56Adam Schafer:No different than politicians have throughout the past. So you're going to see more of that kind of stuff. Because your options are this. You're anthropic. You've got two options. You're looking at public perception. You're one of the top companies. Like, guys, we've got to change everybody's opinion on us and what we do. Either A, we build a machine. We build our own show that pumps out good information about us and makes us look good. Good luck with that. It's one thing to build an incredible AI company. It's a completely different thing to build a media company. Or you look at one and you go, they're promising.

40:27Adam Schafer:Let's give them some money and they'll do what we say anyway. And let's rock and roll.

40:31Sal Di Stefano:By the way, if you're listening to this and this conversation at all interests you, the breakdown that Chris does on the timeline. Such a good episode. And in the links to everything to back up all the stuff that he's talking about and the connections to everything. It's fascinating.

40:47Adam Schafer:Such a good episode. And by the way, if anybody is questioning this, Like, does anybody question that Elon Musk buying X, which was Twitter at the time, didn't influence the last election? Yeah. Of course it did. Yeah. It totally did. He's just, they're playing the game that's been played forever. I didn't realize the part.

41:02Sal Di Stefano:Did you hear when Chris talked about the, when Elon and Biden both texts the same day and Biden's texts. He was like 29 million and then he was like 9 million. So that was like, that's what set off the buying of Twitter or his tweet, you mean? Yeah, his tweet that went out. so he Biden's tweet crushed crushed and his was suppressed and he went in and like fired fired a bunch of people that was responsible for that changed the algorithm like that and flipped it like completely so I mean just do you know you know that one of the reasons why

41:35Adam Schafer:uh this is connected one of the reasons why cannabis went through this whole period of prohibition was because uh who was it was it William Hearst who owned the paper mills yep and hemp was starting to compete. And because William Hearst owned the newspapers, he started printing a bunch of articles talking about how dangerous cannabis was. And the goal was to get rid of hemp. The goal was to get rid of competition.

42:01Sal Di Stefano:Because hemp was so much cheaper and inexpensive to produce. And more durable.

42:08Justin Andrews:It's such a missed opportunity. It's such great material.

42:11Sal Di Stefano:And the point of all this - Because they were bleaching it. That's the part that I think Chris does a really good job of this is like he talks about what's going on with tbpn and and that the narrative and the purchase of all that but he sets the table of like like this is not new strategy no and nor am i like forever and he's like nor am i hating it's just like it's i mean if you're them it's an old game dude yeah but it's like but it's like people needs people need to know you know what i'm saying you just need to know like what's what what you're but all back to my point of going on this tangent with you is just i just feel like that's what's so much of the the narrative whatever you're and boy it's today it's crazy once you like something and you watch something and the algorithm figures out what you like or the information that you that you just hover over so oh it just can it just get ready because the next six months everything will just

43:02Adam Schafer:confirm i've had people i've had friends of mine for sure i've had friends of mine that i'll meet like friends at church for example who don't know the show they don't know mind pump they don't know who i am we meet we start talking the next day they go listen i don't look you up or anything but now you're showing up on my algorithm i'm like is your phone listening is it listening i'm sure

43:20Justin Andrews:it is well it's the thing yeah they and uh i forget what it was but they had shown um you know through drive-ins that predictably you know they already knew your order i don't know if it was mcdonald's or one of these franchises was using this technology before it was legal you know then they had to stop because it was like an invasion of privacy but they were like tracking license plates and like you know so they've been doing these things like that that's the first rollout is like you know you're testing it and you're getting the beta testing and you guys have seen

43:49Sal Di Stefano:it with your navigation haven't you oh where it's like it predicts where i'm going all the time it's rarely wrong i know it's i mean it's wrong sometimes i'm like dude this like is it could be like literally it's are you gonna buy a burrito it's a random day in the week and i'm heading somewhere it populates you know it suggests where i'm going and i'm like how does it know i'm going but it's it's been tracking we're creatures of habit yeah our patterns are predictable do you

44:13Adam Schafer:guys know that back in the day i don't know when it was and maybe you can confirm this dog but uh they experimented movies experimented or they tested subliminal messaging yeah and they had to make it illegal uh-huh where they flash a picture yeah but that you don't necessarily

44:28Sal Di Stefano:perceive that movie uh thank you for smoking talked about that showed that highlighted that where they flash a cigarette smoke and you had to freeze it to see it. But if you didn't see it. Look at this.

44:38Adam Schafer:The 1957 market researcher James Vickery claimed he flashed, drink Coca-Cola and eat popcorn during movie, boosting concession sales. Oh, wow. Well, okay. So it says -

44:48Justin Andrews:I mean, subliminal messaging. You know what movie does this, by the way?

44:51Adam Schafer:There's a movie that does this that you can actually find the frames. Fight Club. Fight Club does certain flashes.

44:58Sal Di Stefano:Thank You For Smoking does it too. They did it in there. They did little cigarettes.

45:02Justin Andrews:Burn mark. Yeah, they did stuff like that.

45:05Sal Di Stefano:I mean, they do this with grocery stores, with music and stores. Yeah, there's certain music played to keep you shopping.

45:13Justin Andrews:Yeah, certain temperatures, like coffee shops, keep buying hot coffee.

45:20Adam Schafer:We were talking about dating app earlier. And do you guys know what's the trend right now on social media with the younger generation? What? pheromone maxing look up pheromone maxing you know what they're doing dudes are not showering so when they go on a date that their pheromones are maxed out and that'll maybe get the they just smell like a viral online dating trend where men intentionally skip showering, ditch deodorant and wear unwashed clothes before dates weird, does that work? so okay so here's the funny thing about this because someone's listening like that's gross

46:01Justin Andrews:this is here's what's weird i mean there's a woman who's ovulating versus a woman who isn't

46:07Adam Schafer:ovulating same woman she will perceive uh if a man wore a shirt or not as attractive or not so if she's ovulating and a man wore a shirt she'll smell like oh this smells really good so this might only work if she's ovulating bro but if she's not you're gonna so you think okay because

46:23Justin Andrews:they're also like trying to capture this with um like cologne and there's like one that's like it's always trying to market i think like my son and it's like you know it has pheromones in it and it's like you know the only one that has it and it's like super expensive and you know so that way too yeah like women will will you know pick up on that like subliminally so isn't there isn't there

46:46Sal Di Stefano:science of support that we like that we we pair and match with with the appropriate like pheromones for us in other words like so one of the things your hormones are all i remember like connecting this a long time ago through dating it's like there's i i would date a girl and um one girl could be that let's say one girlfriend uh could be all sweaty not shower come to the gym and i like the way she smelled another girl that i dated i would notice i was repulsed by that smell right so both sweaty not showered so that but one of them that smell i'm attracted to and i know i

47:21Justin Andrews:Pick up on something different. Yes, 100%.

47:24Sal Di Stefano:Where another one I would date and they would have a smell and it'd be off-putting.

47:28Adam Schafer:You know what's crazy about that? I tell my wife, she doesn't believe me, but I tell her this all the time. I don't necessarily smell anything, but I love to smell her. And she'll be like, oh my God, I didn't shower. And I'll be like, I love being around you.

47:42Sal Di Stefano:Don't you think that we have? Love it. Don't you think that there's certain? There's got to be. Yeah. So to me, that makes sense.

47:48Adam Schafer:Which, by the way, when women are on birth control versus not, completely changes how they like.

47:53Sal Di Stefano:Now, the funny thing about this that I think is, talk about a quick way to know you're not matched up. Oh, yeah, yeah. Because the right person probably is like, oh, they smell. It's either neutral to them or they smell good.

48:05Adam Schafer:I don't even think you need to think about that, dude. You don't like someone's smell. It ain't happening. I'm not going to be with someone that I don't like their smell, bro.

48:13Sal Di Stefano:Well, they're bad. I mean, I don't know. Oh, God, Justin. I heard what he said.

48:23Adam Schafer:Oh, that's disgusting.

48:24Sal Di Stefano:Did you, you know, speaking of dating and relationships and stuff, I shared with you that Arthur Brooks post.

48:31Adam Schafer:Oh, yeah, happiness. That's old data. So I'll read his post because. It's really good. It's good.

48:38Sal Di Stefano:I have thoughts around it.

48:39Adam Schafer:It's good. And the reason why, I brought this up a long time ago because there was this.

48:42Sal Di Stefano:You have, and I wanted to revisit it because I wanted to share it.

48:44Adam Schafer:No, there were these studies that would come out. actually article and the title of the articles would say, because of studies, they'd say, uh, P parent couples without kids are happier. And they quote the study. And I hate stuff like this. Cause it's not telling the full picture. So here's what his post says. And cause he knows the actual data. So it says couples without children enjoy their lives more than parents do, but they suffer a hidden cost. When researchers compare parents with otherwise similar couples, the childless report, more day-to-day enjoyment, more sleep, more restaurants, more finished sentences.

49:16Adam Schafer:So are the couples deciding against children reading the data correctly? Well, they are reading only one line of it. Happiness has three macronutrients, enjoyment, satisfaction, and meaning, and they're all fed differently. Children are a trade between macronutrients. They draw down enjoyment, sometimes for a decade at a stretch, and they deposit meaning. So when researchers ask people to rate their daily activities, caring for children lands near the bottom for moment to moment happiness, but near the top for meaning, and nothing splits the two so hard and then he talks about his own experience uh with his own kids so i wanted you

49:50Sal Di Stefano:to bring it up because there's something that i've always tried to figure out about my own personal journey with this because i i've i fell in the category of somebody who would be like uh thought about not having kids for the longest time and what and one of the cases that i make for is man especially katrina and i dated for a long time without max right we had a really really good life. Like we had a lot of fun, a lot of, you know, a lot of basketball games, a lot of concerts, a lot of fun travel, a lot of cool stuff and really, really enjoyed each other. And so there was this possibility, like I could see not having kids yet.

50:23Sal Di Stefano:I also say, you know, seven years later, Katrina and I have done more of all of that. And so I've always been like, wow, that's kind of weird. Cause that's, that's the opposite of the narrative around that. and and so another reason why i don't like those studies that show that because it doesn't tease out um what i have and because when i compare it to my like two best friends because i don't think they would say that they would definitely say the children gave meaning but they would say man when

50:50Adam Schafer:we were single we definitely had more of those there was a period of time when you didn't right when max was really little it was a couple years right or a year where you're not going all over

50:58Sal Di Stefano:the place when he he was three months old we were already up at our tahoe house we were flying with him by the time before he was six months old we were that's not the so that's not the typical right so that's so this is this is me so why i'm saying why that story doesn't tell everything because here's here's and and the reason why what i've unpacked for myself is how valuable family has been for for for us and and what i have found is because we have family so willing to help and support which i think is so valuable i think katrina and i have been even more intentful to do those things because it's like we uh uh we we got friday mom's my my mother-in-law's got our son so we're we're we got this we're gonna go do and then we got this and so we plan even more not to mention we do a lot with max and so then on top of that i find that we go out of our way to do even more because we get that one night or two nights off a week and then we so it's like i think there's more to that it's like yeah if you tease out uh somebody who is uh married and has a kid and also isolated from family and of course they're going to see a dramatic difference in that yeah when you look at there's other there's other my point is that there's other factors that play

52:13Adam Schafer:of course when you're looking at studies you're looking at the general yes and so there's always outliers but generally speaking i think it's uh reasonable to expect that you're not going to have as much personal enjoyment and freedom when you have kids, especially multiple kids, especially for the first five years that they're around. I think that's a very reasonable thing to expect. That's also what the data supports. But I think what's more important about this data is my own personal enjoyment. If I just do that all the time, and that's the most important thing to me, you know what that turns into?

52:46Adam Schafer:A hedonistic hell, a treadmill of hedonism. And all of us know some people like this, right? They're in their kind of late 40s. They've lived this life. It's all about them. They still don't have any kids. And they're now at the point where they're like, this is worn out. Like, this is worn out. I'm either on some kind of antidepressant or I'm not happy or what's going on. And sometimes it takes that long for people to figure that out. Because if you look at all the data, again, we're speaking generally because some people are way more miserable with kids for whatever reason. But generally speaking, when you do these studies, people are generally better off having kids than they weren't.

53:27Adam Schafer:Yes, you are trading personal freedom and enjoyment for meaning, 100%.

53:32Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, I think it's a good way to frame it that you should go into expecting that. But I also don't think you have to either. I think that if you go into that situation and you're intentful about it and you make that like, hey, this is what mother-in-law or auntie or uncle, if you have that. So I definitely think if you don't have that, you should prepare that you're not going to go to as many concerts. You're not going to go to as many of these things as you did before because you don't have. You're just going to grow in incredible other ways. Yeah. You wouldn't even expect it. Exactly. So you're going to get the meaning part.

54:08Sal Di Stefano:you're gonna get heavily on the meaning part but i i do believe that there is i mean i know that i was an exceptional and i know that i was a person who probably was afraid to having kids because of a fear yeah of giving so much of that up like that was going to happen and the opposite was true for me and i did not see that coming and so it changed it's so funny i have a buddy who's uh

54:30Adam Schafer:And now, how old is he? He's mid-40s. And he's lived that life. So work, made money, done whatever he wanted, dated girls, never settling down type of deal. Now he's in his mid-40s. And now we're having conversations. And he's like, yeah, dude, I'm kind of lonely. Like, I think I'm like ready to settle down. I think I'm like ready to do this. And I'm like, well, is that going to be, how's that going to feel for you? Because you've lived this other way for so long. are you willing to like trade this freedom and whatever to be with somebody who and now you're also 45 so not only that so like you're decent looking and you make good money but you're you are you going to find you your age group or below in an appropriate age range you're probably going to find someone with kids it's divorced not only that so we're we're having this funny that we went

55:24Sal Di Stefano:this direction in this conversation because katrina and i were having this discussion last night i've got three people in my life that fit this category yeah and one of the other things that becomes also extremely challenging is that you're in your late 40s or 50s and you've you've established these patterns of how you live your life and when you've lived it for that long a certain way for and i'm not going to sell out one of the people that i was having this conversation one of my friends i was talking to about this this is one of my female friends and uh she's like i She really wants a partner.

55:56Sal Di Stefano:She wants all these things. And she's expressing that. And I'm like, you can't keep doing the same thing you've been doing for the last 30 years. And I joined a gym and I'm doing this. I'm like, yeah, but the time you go, you're not going to meet anybody going that time. Yeah, but that's the problem. Everything you do is like, this is what works for me. And this is my schedule. And this is when I do this. And this is when I do that. And you have this routine that you won't break out of. Yet you want something different. so it's like you got to break out of that same friend circle meet new people you got to stop the like this is the time i always do this and the time i always do that because you've already met all those people like you got to shake all that up and boy that's hard to do for somebody

56:37Adam Schafer:who's been doing that for a long time and we've also just and this is we talked about this earlier controlling the narrative and the narrative for a long time has been the most valuable thing is personal freedom personal enjoyment uh is hedonistic pleasure and we've been hammered this into us for so long. People believe this, but the data is showing we've been wrong. It's been wrong, everybody. In fact, you know, when birth control, because birth control plays a role in all of this that we're talking about. When birth control was first brought to market, do you know how it was advertised? It was advertised for married couples to help them stay married longer because now they have an option to control, you know, whether or not they have children.

57:18Adam Schafer:Because back then they were like, oh, it's a stress. You have a kid, you can't afford it. That causes a lot of strain. But Now you have a way to control your fertility. And then, of course, it turned into, hey, now you can control your fertility and you can sleep. You can have sex with other people without the risk. And you know what? That's better because now you can see if you're compatible. And this was kind of the narrative. You know what happened since that became mainstream? Divorce rates went from 8 % to 50%.

57:43Justin Andrews:Skyrocketed.

57:44Adam Schafer:Childless households went through the roof. And people are less happy. Men are less happy. You know who's especially less happy? women are way less happy in fact they call this a parrot they this is like a paradox why are they so much less happy than they were when they had you know perceived less freedoms and it's because we've sold this idea so long that the most important thing in your life is having a lot of stuff having all this personal freedom and having all this personal enjoyment and pleasure that's just not the way it works the data doesn't support it we can see it and you know what marriage and kids is it hard do you do you have a lot of responsibility you give up personal freedom do you give up personal enjoyment you do but what you get in return it's well worth it purpose and

58:27Sal Di Stefano:meaning yeah is that the other two aren't the formula for purpose no so that's exactly why no

58:31Adam Schafer:totally anyway you were talking about working out earlier and i was excited i don't know if you saw this adam because i thought of you what viore now has pickleball paddle yes i did i already put a

58:43Sal Di Stefano:Did you really? Yes, I'm trying to get some paddles.

58:47Adam Schafer:First off, so smart for Viori.

58:49Sal Di Stefano:I mean, last time Doug brought up when he went river rafting, they had the rash guard stuff or whatever for them. Smart. They're on top. They had cool backpacks. They had snowboard. Last winter I saw when they had snowboard. They're like, man, they're expanding into all different areas.

59:03Adam Schafer:Real quick, what are these sweats called again? We have the same ones. Seaside. They're the best.

59:07Justin Andrews:Oh, the seaside.

59:08Adam Schafer:Best, best, best, best sweats I've ever had in my turn.

59:10Justin Andrews:I wear those pretty much every night.

59:11Adam Schafer:Comfortable, warm. Just to chill. They last forever. Oh, look, there's the paddles right there. Yeah, Viore does a good job. Look at that, dude. It's so good, dude. So pickleball has literally exploded in popularity. Is it one of the fastest growing sports right now?

59:26Sal Di Stefano:I do believe so. I think it is. I would imagine so. I should look that up. I'm curious. It's got to be. I never heard of it. Did you guys see the pickleball movie? Dink? Yeah, did you watch it? I just watched the trailer. I didn't watch it. I mean, I'm not promoting it.

59:42Adam Schafer:It's the fastest growing sport in the United States. Yep. The fastest growing. So the whole, I told you. What's the rate of growth, Doug? I'm interested to see over the last five years. The U.S. has more than 24 million players. Yeah.

59:55Sal Di Stefano:Let's see. I'll find it. Yeah.

59:56Adam Schafer:Just putting a pickleball rate of growth over the last five years.

59:59Sal Di Stefano:So brilliant for Viore to jump on that.

1:00:02Adam Schafer:So smart. They're very, you know, Viore is so crazy. I know. How long have we been with them? 10 years. Has it been 10 years? Almost. they went from being this kind of unknown like cool company to like dominating yeah like crushing

1:00:18Sal Di Stefano:now it's it's it's got to a place where when i see someone in athleisure wear it's all it's almost always i always see viori now both women and men it used to be just men just men i would see that but now it's women and men i see it's like they definitely it'd be interesting to see how much of the market share they have now taken you know because lulu dominates bro look at the

1:00:37Adam Schafer:The growth of pickleball the last five years, 479%.

1:00:41Sal Di Stefano:What?

1:00:42Adam Schafer:It went from 4 million players to 24 million players.

1:00:45Sal Di Stefano:Well, didn't you hear, was it Gary Vee who bought a tee? Should we buy pickleball courts right now? Bro, he bought like a tee. No, it would be a brilliant investment.

1:00:52Adam Schafer:You know how hard it is to get on a pickleball court right now? We should buy some land, put pickleball courts on there, let people rent it, and then sell it before the craze. Because the craze will go down. Yeah, it'll drop. It'll crush and it'll go down.

1:01:03Justin Andrews:It'll drop at some point. But I mean, it has long. I mean, I don't know about that. It's been around forever, so it's not like it's a new thing. Yeah, but it's suddenly exploded. I think because it's multi-generational.

1:01:12Sal Di Stefano:Well, I think there's multiple factors, and I would bet against you that it's going to go away. Will it slow down 100 %? It can't grow at that rate forever. But here's the thing. You've talked about this all the time. We don't meet up. No, it's a great way to socialize. And the barrier to entry for pickleball is low. It's a perfect formula. You can be 70 and go play, And you can be super athletic and go play. And it's competitive at all levels. It's not like tennis or racquetball. That's right. Running groups. So, I mean, listen, I would bank on this ain't going away for quite some time. Now, I can't predict 20 years from now what we're doing or whatever like that.

1:01:52Sal Di Stefano:But it's going to be hot for a while. And I don't think we're going to see a slope.

1:01:55Adam Schafer:Are you going to try and talk us into maps, pickleball?

1:01:57Sal Di Stefano:I mean, I like your idea of some land, like an acre, and throw on some pickleball. I'd be a little crush right now. Absolutely. And then you'd sell it.

1:02:05Adam Schafer:After it grows, just sell it real quick, and then somebody else will buy it for a profit.

1:02:09Justin Andrews:I'm going to start promoting jazz mitten.

1:02:11Sal Di Stefano:I'm not against it at all. What is jazz mitten? Yeah.

1:02:14Justin Andrews:What? Guys, for one of the Christmases, I got the boys this game, and it's like a pop-up square. So it's a square that has like. Oh, I saw that. Yeah. So you have paddles, but it's basically badmitten, but you have to hit it through this little square, jazz mitten. Oh, I love that. I'm telling you. Oh, that's it. Yeah. Oh, my kids would love that. Yeah, exactly. That would be the next follow-up.

1:02:35Adam Schafer:When I was a kid, badminton was popular for families.

1:02:39Justin Andrews:Yeah, badminton never really took off, but that was always another easy one.

1:02:43Adam Schafer:So weird. I totally forgot this. My family used to get together and play badminton. What were a group of Sicilians doing?

1:02:49Sal Di Stefano:I have no idea. Because it's more of a European thing, I think. So you remember Koran. You had to say that. It's right there. It's what it's called, you guys. Our trainer, Koran, who comes in here, was like a badminton champion.

1:03:03Justin Andrews:he's like world ranked no way yes yes was he a pro i mean oh yeah he won tournaments he was like

1:03:09Sal Di Stefano:a champion yeah yeah no he's like really yeah which is why like he's he he would he'd surprise you he's pretty athletic like he like he's been on my softball team we play basketball like he's athletic like he can just pick a sport up and play it and i remember always being like hey dude like i would have never guessed he'd be and then that he he i found out years later after being friends and knowing him he's like oh yeah i was a badminton champion you know what sport i beat him in ping

1:03:32Adam Schafer:You know what sport fascinates me? I've never seen it live. I've only seen it on videos. I don't know what it's called, but they have this big hook thing on their arm and they whip a ball. Oh, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. And it goes high-li. High-li. It goes, the ball goes so fast. Is that what it's called high-li?

1:03:47Justin Andrews:A Brazilian sport? Yeah, it goes like 120 miles an hour or something. It looks. With those scoops?

1:03:52Adam Schafer:Yes, dude, it looks crazy. High-li. Whip it. Yeah, and they throw the ball super fast.

1:03:57Justin Andrews:It's a crazy sport. It looks, yeah, there it is right there. I don't know if it's hurling or there's a sport too in Scotland that just, it's so brutal. What do you do? Well, you, you can throw it really fast and like it is dangerous. People like lose teeth all the time. Oh yeah. Oh that. Yeah. It's pretty fun to watch.

1:04:18Adam Schafer:It's like Phil. It's like Phil hockey. There is no sport. Way more brutal. There is no sport that's crazier or more brutal than Calcio Storico in Italy.

1:04:28Justin Andrews:Oh, is that the one where they fight each other?

1:04:31Sal Di Stefano:It's an ancient sport. They've been playing it for hundreds of years. They fight, playing, it's like football where you fight too.

1:04:36Justin Andrews:It's called C-A-L-C-I-O

1:04:40Adam Schafer:and then separate word. It's like polo, but they beat the shit out of each other. No, it's literally, it's an ancient sport. You have to be from the town to play for the team and it's four major cities in Italy. I would love to go to one of those and watch. Bro, and literally you get a ball, the goal is to get one ball into the other goal and by anything, Is it a once a year thing that happens?

1:05:01Sal Di Stefano:It's not happening. No, it's a once a year thing. Yeah, it's like a traditional thing.

1:05:05Adam Schafer:And you can do whatever you want to stop the guys. I'm sure Russia has one that's competitive to this. Oh, well, Russia's got great. But this has got, peri-degree, this sport has been around for, I think, a thousand years.

1:05:15Sal Di Stefano:It's like a town pride thing is really what it is. That's like where the history.

1:05:19Adam Schafer:Watch, let me see how old this is. Watch, you're going to trip out over how old. This was like kings and queens were competing with each other, with their teams. That's the ancient roots. The Roman army, well, keep going, 1400s. Young Florentines revived this game and evolved into the sport for wealthy aristocrats, noblemen, and even future popes. What?

1:05:41Justin Andrews:Huh. Whoa, dude. Or that one Mayan sport where if you're the winner. You die? Yeah, you sacrifice. It's like, what? Yeah, when you win, like, your prize is you die. Yeah. It's great. It's a game I would suck at on purpose. Yeah. Everybody sucks. Whoops. Both sides suck. Nobody's scoring. This game's going on forever.

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1:07:06Justin Andrews:Our first question is from Kathy Steinhilb. What is the best way to improve leg strength when you do not have a squat rack?

1:07:15Adam Schafer:You know, split stance exercises are right up there.

1:07:18Sal Di Stefano:Bulgarian split squats would be for sure.

1:07:20Adam Schafer:If you look at the biomechanics of a split stance movement, like a lunge or a Bulgarian, the front leg is squatting it's a one-legged squat yeah it's a one-legged squat it's there it's by the way some people athletic coaches i should say some athletic coaches argue yeah mike boyle that split stance movements are better than it's a it's a solid argument i agree for athletics

1:07:42Justin Andrews:i think i can see that yeah you can actually really load it too it's not like something that's impossible to do like it's just it requires a lot of skill and like you have to like master the balance of it, but you can really increase strength with that movement effectively.

1:07:59Adam Schafer:The thing with a squat is because you start to get really strong and you're able to load it very heavily, a squat rack starts to become necessary. I can't pick this weight up off the ground and put it on my back, but split stance exercises give you a lot more room because you're not going to use as much weight, but the intensity and the tension is up there.

1:08:17Sal Di Stefano:Still there. That being said, some Bulgarian split squats with some wrist wraps could take you a long ways. Very far. A long ways. Very far. Like, I mean, you could literally, if I have wrist wraps, I can hold on to 120s, 150s, and eat, I mean, that's a 300-pound single weight. Yeah, I couldn't do that. But that's my point. My point is, you can even front rack it, too. Well, that would be, I couldn't front rack that much weight, but I could wrist wrap that kind of weight, you know what I'm saying? The other one is front-racking 150 dumbbells, dog. Sure, dude.

1:08:49Adam Schafer:I'm more impressed with the rack than the squat. Yeah. The other one is like heavy step-ups are also really good. Now there's a balance component, so it's not going to be as much of a strength builder, but it is phenomenal. So you could load, grab a couple of heavy dumbbells and do a very heavy step-up onto a bench or a step. So there's a lot of great exercise you could do and you're really not missing out on a ton because you don't have a squat rack.

1:09:12Justin Andrews:Next question is from Make Wellness Elizabeth TWP. Before I started lifting, I was rather flexible. Now I seem to be tied all over. which is a bit frustrating. Am I not stretching enough or is this a normal part of the process? Cut out that last part, huh?

1:09:30Adam Schafer:They also added Adam's cowboy son. Why do they say that? It's because it's football season. Yeah, football season starts this week. So here's the deal. When you're building strength with certain exercises, let's say I only do five exercises and I get really strong at them. Here's what happens. I get really strong in those movements. my body starts to recognize a discrepancy between the strength I have for that movement and the strength I have outside of that movement. And so what it starts to do is it starts to tighten you up so that you move less outside of where you have that strength. So you start to feel tighter.

1:10:06Adam Schafer:Now the remedy to this with strength training is to do lots of different movements to move in all different planes and use a full range of motion. In which case you won't feel tighter, you'll have more stability but let's say you only do squats deadlifts bench press overhead press rows which are great muscle builders but that's all you ever do yeah you're going to feel tight going laterally you're going to feel tight moving outside you're going to feel tight rotating because your body is

1:10:30Justin Andrews:just really strong in this one particular way yeah and it's beneficial too for producing more force so it's like you know you don't want to be all flexible uh you know trying to approach these like heavy lifts so you know it's it's really it's about yeah like managing that uh based upon like range of motion and then getting more familiar with it do you think this can be sometimes too

1:10:50Sal Di Stefano:uh people that are overreaching in their training too a lot can cause tightness yeah because sometimes sometimes uh this can be me and this is always like my sign that like i'm i'm overreaching it's like i'm i'm pushing so hard the intensity in my training that i'm like constantly feeling sore and tight uh versus the appropriate amount of intensity i normally feel really good i normally leave the workout feeling really good i feel like i lifted the day before but i don't feel restricted and ah every time i move like oh wow really sore there like that's all signs of overreaching for me yes um so possibly peer into that now if you're following like a maps 15 protocol and not training to failure you're that's probably not your situation but sometimes that could be the possibilities.

1:11:34Adam Schafer:There's also this, like, you know, what determines your tightness? It's not the muscle, it's the central nervous system that controls the muscle. And so if your central nervous system is maintaining a certain amount of, let's say, tightness with a small muscle, when that muscle's larger, it can feel tighter because you're working with a larger muscle with the same kind of central nervous system signal. So it's important when you build muscle and strength to train in a well-rounded way because it's not without its own risks, like moving different planes of motion, move with the full range of motion, involve mobility and static stretching.

1:12:13Adam Schafer:And what you'll find is this isn't going to be a problem. There's bodybuilders, there have been pro bodybuilders who've maintained good balance in their flexibility. Like Flex Wheeler would do the splits on stage. Tom Platz was famous for his flexibility. And that's because they kept it up while they did their strength training. And both of them were very muscular.

1:12:32Justin Andrews:You got to maintain it while you're building strength. That's right. Next question is from Sapir2524. How do you feel about not following a specific program, but rather letting your body kind of guide you on what to do in the gym? I find I'm more consistent and enjoy the workout much more when it's not a structured checklist. I focus on getting strong at compound lifts, and I track and progressively overload. I just have a hard time staying on a program winging it makes my workout feel more like play

1:13:04Sal Di Stefano:hence the consistency I love this so long as you're not also going but I wish I could see this and I'm not seeing the change I want like so that the follow-up statement to this is what matters to me because this is actually the place I want all my clients to get this is where I operate from this place I don't go into a workout with structure because but I also am not trying to make crazy change right now i don't i'm not like i'm not going no specific goal yeah i don't have like a specific goal that i'm trying to achieve so i'm enjoying my workouts i do them for the sake of it makes me a better father it makes me a better husband it makes me feel strong i have good energy i sleep better i move more throughout my day those are the desired outcomes and treating my workouts like play will do that but if i'm like i'm trying to lose three percent body fat or i'm trying to get my my squad up to this i'm programming because then it makes it that makes

1:13:54Adam Schafer:makes it a difference for this person i'd say you're fine because they're saying it keeps me consistent i'm having fun consistency trumps uh so long as it's crazy the workout isn't horrible kind of trumps everything uh but here's the deal like the people there are people who can wing it and also have excellent workouts but these are people who know how to work out they've been doing for a long time they have the experience they have lots of experience like adam goes into a gym winging it but he's also got you know 30 years of experience training his body training other people you know somebody who's been working out consistently for six months suddenly says they want to wing it i'm going to say no yeah that's you you have nowhere there's there's you have no base to wing it from no so long as you're able to structure it appropriately so long as you're

1:14:37Sal Di Stefano:happy where your results are though yeah right i mean because i've even know what happens when

1:14:41Adam Schafer:people no experience wing it they either hurt themselves overdo it or they usually do the same thing to me or the same thing over and over again right right which again my point if you're happy

1:14:50Sal Di Stefano:where you're at and you're not trying to make make change but if you're happy where you're at clap your hands stupid my bad if you're not trying to make change you're happy where this is like how i i would tell people that we're doing things like orange theory yeah like hey if you love coming here the community's fun you enjoy the workout and you're consistent and you're not trying to make change keep doing your orange theory keep doing your fun workouts it's on my heart but if you come to me and you go i don't i can't get this last you know five pounds of body fat off or i man i'm not getting any stronger i can't build my bud i can't build yeah if you have goals that you're trying to do and you're winging the programming well i mean there you go there's

1:15:32Adam Schafer:your problem let me add to that adam i've had this happen too where someone's like i don't like structured workouts i have so much more fun doing my thing but i have these goals that i you know want to focus on and i'll say okay well give this a shot uh follow the structured program you know what ends up happening most of the time they come back and say they say you know what i like it better because they like the results yeah the results better fun yes i mean you're exactly

1:15:56Sal Di Stefano:that's my point is that if you there's there's you you want more from your workout uh following a structured program is going to give you more but if you don't care like i know i know i'm sacrificing up a more aesthetic version of me or a stronger version i don't give a shit i don't care right now i'm not trying to do that i'm just i'm trying to do the things i said i'm trying to do and going with like winging it also to your point with 30 years experience i can go like this is

1:16:21Justin Andrews:probably best for my body it may also be the complexity like or it's that they're having to draft it up themselves versus like a lot of times it's alleviating for somebody to have this all just like oh here it's it's it's you know simple enough to where i can just go do this because it's right here i just look at it i do it now i'm just taking my mind out of the equation um so there's that part of it too which i like it's just like oh well you know and to why we reduce it down like a 15 minute protocol that's like the ultimate because it's like two exercises you know and it's so

1:16:54Adam Schafer:freeing you're right do you justin do you work out this way do you kind of go in and you kind

1:16:58Justin Andrews:to have a rough idea i have like yeah four or five compound lifts that i typically if i'm not doing the 15 protocol like if i do like a three-day schedule that's usually what i do same here i

1:17:07Adam Schafer:don't follow a program but i have a general idea of where i'm gonna what i'm gonna do and then based on how i feel but again this is i've been doing this for but it changes as i'm there yeah

1:17:18Sal Di Stefano:i know this completely like i right now i'm all how i feel like right i know over the week i got to make sure i hit every body part once or twice yeah it's i'm more of a 15 protocol so the two exercises are typically compoundless yesterday was uh front squats and dips so those were nice those are my two movements the way i decided it uh i had leg stuff to do i hadn't front squatted in a long time yeah i've been doing a lot of back squatting so my time to switch it up and do front squats so i did front squats hadn't done dips uh chose the machine if i had the the belt and the weight i would have done weighted body weight discs but i didn't have the belt and weight so i did heavy on the on the machines um and then i walked for 20 minutes that was my that was my workout and that's how i say uh today my legs are really sore uh so if i go in i probably won't do anything for it if i do i'll do something very light maybe hamstring focused i'll do some like leg curl stuff just to touch them or something like that um and the last time i did any uh upper body stuff i did chest and shoulders or maybe a back exercise yep so probably some back some back a pull-up or something will happen.

1:18:25Sal Di Stefano:Like that's, and so I'll literally go off of how I feel and what I've done. And that's kind of how, what winging it looks like for me. But you're, to your point, there's 30 years of experience of knowing how my body feels, what are the best bang for your back exercises? What have I been doing consistently? So all that is, even though I'm saying I'm winging it to just to nail home your point, I also know what the hell I'm doing. Yeah, you're pulling from something. Yeah, yeah.

1:18:48Justin Andrews:Next question is from Burke himself. What would each of the four of you be doing if mind pump never happened.

1:18:54Adam Schafer:So we should guess for each other.

1:18:57Sal Di Stefano:And if we do that, are we being funny or are we being serious? I don't know. Because I think sometimes it's both funny and serious at the same time. I feel like Justin would be a football coach. Oh. Isn't that like a, can you just see him be like -

1:19:11Adam Schafer:He would either, A, continue down the path of being a personal trainer and just becoming more exclusive with clients and stuff like that. Because at one point he was training some pretty important people in the area. because he's an excellent coach, but I could totally see him do some kind of coaching.

1:19:27Justin Andrews:Maybe it's not far off. I could see, yeah. I actually really enjoy it. It's such a full-time commit. I think that was the biggest reserve for me. The coaching? Yeah. It was just like, what am I doing? I don't have time to give. It's a year-round commit. It's not just the season.

1:19:45Sal Di Stefano:Yeah, you were also doing it while you're running this business. What's that? If you didn't have this.

1:19:51Justin Andrews:If I didn't have this at all, yeah.

1:19:52Sal Di Stefano:Maybe you would enjoy the commitment. Sure, that's not a bad call.

1:19:56Adam Schafer:What about Doug? What do you think Doug would be doing? I think you'd be in Arizona because your daughter's there, so you probably would have followed her out there.

1:20:02Sal Di Stefano:I think he would lead Iohasca trips.

1:20:07Justin Andrews:I'm big into that.

1:20:10Sal Di Stefano:Does he seem like he'd be a good Sedona, Iohasca-like? Wearing a feather necklace or something. Yeah, dude. Giving up Burning Man guides, you know what I'm saying?

1:20:23Adam Schafer:I could see him either teaching language or, or something involved cooking. I could see you doing, you don't know this thing. Yeah.

1:20:29Sal Di Stefano:Oh, the cooking thing's a good guess.

1:20:30Adam Schafer:Cause I know he did insurance. He did a life insurance, which paid the bills,

1:20:34Sal Di Stefano:but I don't feel like you're,

1:20:35Justin Andrews:you're not passionate about sales. Are you not sales? No, I'm not. I'm very interested in marketing though. So before mind, mind, mind pump, you know, that was the thing that I presented to Sal is like, let's market maps anabolic. Let's create something and market it. and so i was very fascinated with marketing and how you could sell things online so if it wasn't

1:20:55Adam Schafer:sal it would be somebody else yeah yeah that's true you were really into that for sure that's

1:21:00Justin Andrews:definitely true i don't know about you adam adam exotic car sales yeah that's a really good guess

1:21:05Sal Di Stefano:actually yeah that's a really good guess you can see that because i have always i've always said that if like everything fell out uh i would do something in sales obviously selling things that are that you like like inherit very expensive so yeah because you need a big rip otherwise yeah

1:21:20Adam Schafer:Exactly.

1:21:20Sal Di Stefano:So yeah, exotic cars, yachts, mansions, I would follow. You'd be a yacht salesman? Yeah, totally. For sure. Or private jets, I would totally be into one of those. I could totally get down. That's hilarious. Yeah, so I mean, I would love that. I would love -

1:21:34Adam Schafer:How do you get leads to sell a private jet? You don't.

1:21:36Sal Di Stefano:That's referral-based, bro. I know, there's no way. Yeah. As a matter of fact, I heard someone say something one time that was really interesting. So you've never seen a Rolls-Royce commercial or a Bugatti commercial. but you know where they were what you don't see is that if you go to like a private jet event or that where they're they're they'll bugatti will be there oh because they know that the buyers for private jet that's right that makes sense right and that's where the rest of us have never seen any that said we're like how does rolls royce get these how do they get these customers they don't even waste their time with us you know what i'm saying they're at those and that's that's their customer base right there and so yeah no i would be super interested that's a that's a pretty good guess right there doug i think i could see myself i feel like it's all might be like a baptist

1:22:16Justin Andrews:preacher.

1:22:18Sal Di Stefano:That's a good guess now, dog.

1:22:20Adam Schafer:I don't know. I'm just throwing it out there. You know that where he'd start his own religion. No.

1:22:26Sal Di Stefano:I would not start. Oh, dude. You get charismatic. 100 % that is what you would do right now. If you were not in my pump right now, I'd be serving somehow. You'd be a pastor. You'd be a ministry. I would not be. I don't think I'd be a pastor. Yes, you would. You'd have to scratch that itch. Don't you have to go to school for that? No, you don't. Don't. No, you don't. Yeah, you do. No, you do not.

1:22:46Adam Schafer:Yeah, you have to be, to start your own church, I guess you don't. But I would not do that. I would go. All of them I know. Justin, what do you mean?

1:22:52Sal Di Stefano:Justin, you don't have to do that for anything, for any church. Yeah, divinity school. They will hire you. Yes. I've asked. Yep. Not because I'm trying to become one, because I'm curious. I'm curious. I'm like, what does it take? Oh, so, I mean. I mean, either that or like. That's not like a law. That might be a standard that a certain church might have. So maybe the church you asked has that standard. Yes, yes. But there is plenty of churches that would hire you to be, especially with your background. Oh, gosh. Especially with how charismatic and good of a speaker and how you have a photographic memory.

1:23:26Sal Di Stefano:You could read something. I mean, you would be great at it. So I totally think that. Five years ago, if you asked me this question, I wouldn't be.

1:23:32Adam Schafer:Five years ago, that would have not been the answer. Yeah, yeah. I think I would have liked to have been a teacher at some point. College professor. Yeah, I like that. But, I mean, it's hard to say without fitness what I would do because I love it so much. i love every aspect of it working with people i love the science behind it i love how it helps people so to think like what i would do outside of fitness is really really difficult well i mean

1:23:52Sal Di Stefano:i don't think it's difficult i think what we all hit on things that outside outside of here doug you probably still loves reading books around marketing and researching the latest trends on that you love the conversations you have with eli and them on that side justin's definitely on his side doing coaching stuff i'm obviously researching exotic car markets and stuff like that you i would argue you're probably reading watching or consuming biblical content more than you are fitness content for sure so i mean i think it all aligns pretty well that's probably what i gotta say though the fitness stuff it translates so well do you guys

1:24:29Adam Schafer:know that oh it's such a parallel it's so wild uh how do you remember how do you remember yes i

1:24:37Sal Di Stefano:I feel like I should get my flowers sometimes. I gave you flowers all the time. When you say, I used to tell you, I was like, bro, wait until you start to dive in the word. You start going, it's just be like, everything, you start connecting all these crazy. Yeah, it's all in there. It's crazy. You know what's so funny? When I said that forever, and I've said it to you many times, and then I do posts the other day, I do the guys give me, by the way, you guys, when we do Instagram content, it's like, we don't, that's not us coming up with our team. I know. read this do this write that right so they they give me like uh you know five or six books that they pick randomly out of the books that i've read and they're like hey i want you to rate these oh cool yeah and then like in the comments is like you know where's the bible you know it's just like well i didn't get that's number one yeah i know i go first of all it's like yeah great definitely you know that's a study because it was like it was the pass uh read or study oh you know and so i did that for like these like i don't know five books that i've read or that and that i didn't pick they just randomly give me and then people are like what about this what about that i'm like

1:25:36Justin Andrews:You think I just run around flashing everybody? Oh, my God.

1:25:41Sal Di Stefano:Hey, that did so good. Hey, that did so good. We actually had a ton of T-shirts. That was one of my favorite ones. We had a ton of T-shirts. First off, what people do. You know what's so good about that was I had no idea what that was. Yeah. So my favorite part about the business today is that we divide. That's all Danny, dude. That our media team, like I said, does all this stuff. None of us know what's going on. I don't see Justin doing his work. I don't see you and vice versa. So when I see it on Instagram, when I see it's first time, and obviously when I see stuff that's odd, when I see Sal break down the science and stuff like that, it's like, okay, I've heard that a million times.

1:26:17Sal Di Stefano:But when I see something that I haven't seen, like Justin running around in a robe, looking like he's naked, I'm like, what am I watching? And I'm like, I have no idea what's coming. And then I see it and go, oh, that was rude.

1:26:29Adam Schafer:Well, people don't know. He was doing it to everybody. He's got clothes on underneath, but when he did it to Doug, he surprised them. so that was a real reaction that was yeah i'm still scarred i shout out to our media team uh

1:26:42Sal Di Stefano:they do such a good job i'm so proud of them and that that it makes it fun for me you like got injured a little bit we won't talk about that what that was one of my favorite ads fell into the closet that was one of my favorite ads i've ever it's hard to fake fault you know like

1:26:57Justin Andrews:i'm glad other people are realizing they did a good job everybody did good look if you like the

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