In short
Year-end personal finance checklist for before 2025 ends, framed by the “financial order of operations” and “hyperaccumulation,” plus tax-free investing and debt triage.
Guests
Brian (host) and Bo (co-host). Both present as Money Guy team members and use their own net worth tools/templates (moneyguy.com, learn.moneyguy.com). No other guests appear.
Key claims
Start before New Year with small adjustments; count cash (including deductibles and 3–6 months emergency fund) and put it in interest-bearing accounts. Get employer “free money” by contributing enough for full match and consider ESPP discounts (e.g., 15% or lookback). Use marginal tax rates to choose Roth vs pre-tax (Roth likely if combined marginal rate <25%; pre-tax if >30%). Track net worth, then pay high-interest debt (credit cards treated as high interest; auto loan thresholds by age; student loan thresholds by age). Max tax-free accounts: HSA (2025 limits: $4,300 single / $8,550 family) and Roth IRA ($7,000, +$1,000 at 50+; phaseouts: $236k MFJ / $150k single). Then max 401k/403b/457/SIMPLE deferrals ($23,500; $31,000 if 50+; mention super catch-up 60–63). After 25% savings, consider taxable brokerage for flexibility and potential 0% long-term capital gains (AGI thresholds: $48,350 single / $96,700 MFJ). Finish with “abundance goals,” generosity, and getting professional help.
Notable examples
“23-8 rule” for car financing (20% down, ≤3 years, payment/income ≤8%); “0% capital gains” planning; donating appreciated securities; paying off a low-rate mortgage after step 8.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOThe Financial Order of Operations
0:04 to 0:27
Understand the financial order of operations and its significance in year-end planning.
“It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50-page restoration block, or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks.”
The Financial Order of Operations
1:21 to 2:12
Understand the financial order of operations and its significance in year-end planning.
“Yeah, Brent, a lot of people think that you have to wait until the new year to begin making changes, but we know there are a number of changes you can make before you get to the new year.”
Importance of Cash Management
2:12 to 3:47
Learn how to manage your cash effectively for emergencies and upcoming expenses.
“What this shows is the nine steps of what you should do with your next dollar.”
Maximizing Employer Contributions
3:47 to 6:09
Discover how to maximize your employer's contributions and benefits for retirement.
“Cash is exciting, but it doesn't have the sizzle of get that free money.”
Understanding Tax Rates for Contributions
6:09 to 8:01
Learn how to determine the best type of contributions based on your tax rates.
“And the answer is at least enough to get that free money.”
Net Worth Day and Liabilities
8:01 to 8:53
Explore the significance of tracking your net worth and managing liabilities.
“So we're using the financial order of operations to uncover some planning that we ought to be thinking through before the end of the year.”
Identifying and Managing Debt
8:53 to 10:39
Learn how to identify high-interest debt and strategies for managing it effectively.
“We try to give you a shortcut on that by creating our own dashboard for you with our net worth tool.”
Auto and Student Loan Guidelines
10:39 to 12:40
Understand the guidelines for managing auto and student loans based on interest rates.
“All credit card debt is high interest, but that must mean there are other kinds of debts that might not always be high interest.”
Maximizing Tax-Free Contributions
12:40 to 14:00
Discover how to maximize contributions to tax-free accounts for better financial growth.
“That's where we would quantify those loans being high interest.”
Maximizing Health Savings Accounts
14:00 to 16:49
Learn how to efficiently use health savings accounts for tax-free money.
“So you can quickly realize, hey, if they're going to create these huge benefits, but put all these restrictions, I better get in there and maximize where this free tax-free money is actually at.”
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Understanding Roth IRAs
16:50 to 18:52
Discover the benefits and limitations of Roth IRAs for tax-free growth.
“There's another type of tax-free account that we absolutely love, and that account is a Roth IRA.”
Maximizing Employer-Sponsored Accounts
18:53 to 21:34
Explore how to maximize contributions to employer-sponsored retirement accounts.
“So once we've maximized the tax-free accounts, we've put the money in the HSAs, we've put the money in the Roth IRAs.”
Understanding the 25% Savings Target
21:35 to 22:38
Learn what counts towards the 25% savings goal for financial independence.
“the time, a lot of people say, guys, guys, I'm saving 25%, but I'm not maxing out my 401k based on my income, based on where we are.”
Introduction to Hyperaccumulation
22:38 to 28:00
Understand the hyperaccumulation phase in financial order of operations.
“Those who are busy and those who want to be busy.”
Step Eight: Abundance Goals
28:00 to 31:10
Learn how to define abundance and make lifestyle decisions in finance.
“for their first car or their first down payment for their first house, or you might want to start saving for a wedding with them.”
Considerations for 2025
31:10 to 34:28
Explore financial strategies for the upcoming year, including debt repayment and charitable giving.
“Maybe this is the year where I want to go ahead and knock out that mortgage and I want to prepay that low interest debt and I want to pay off the house and get that off my balance sheet.”
Taking Financial Relationships to the Next Level
34:28 to 37:16
Understand when to seek professional help for managing complex financial decisions.
“six shirts that I've like deemed camera ready.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:01Brian Preston:This episode is brought to you by Google Chrome. You think you know a browser, but Gemini and Chrome, that's new. It can help you with practically anything on the web, like restoring a vintage motorcycle from a 50-page restoration block, or finally break down that long article you've had open for weeks. Gemini and Chrome is here for it. Ready to make anything online make sense? There's no place like Chrome. Check responses set up required, compatibility and availability varies 18+. When you need to build up your team to handle the growing chaos at work, use Indeed Sponsored Jobs. It gives your job post the boost it needs to be seen and helps reach people with the right skills, certifications and more.
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1:21Let's jump right in.
1:28Brian Preston:Yeah, Brent, a lot of people think that you have to wait until the new year to begin making changes, but we know there are a number of changes you can make before you get to the new year. And sometimes those small little adjustments can have huge impacts into what your financial life looks like. Let me make it more exciting in the fact that not only this could have big results. I mean, think about lowering your taxes that you'll pay because we're going to be filing taxes before you know it in April. This could lower your tax bill. And how about the fact that you get to accelerate how much you're actually saving for retirement?
2:00Your future self will thank you for these changes.
2:02Brian Preston:So a lot of people are going to be out there thinking, okay, guys, how do I start? Where do I think this? We actually have a mechanism that you can use as a tool to do that. And it is the financial order of operations. Brian, hold the thing up. What this shows is the nine steps of what you should do with your next dollar. But when it comes to year-end planning, it's a nice recalibration to think through, okay, have I done all the things that I need to be doing at each step along the way? So let's get right into this. Number one, by the way, cash is so important that it's not just one step of the financial order of operations.
2:36It's actually steps one and four.
2:38Brian Preston:So we want you to count your quat. Your quat? We want you to... Keep going. We want you to count your cash. And one of the things we want you to answer is, do you have your highest deductible covered? Have you laid out, okay, here's my health insurance deductible. Here's my auto insurance deductible. Here's my home deductible. Whichever one is the highest, do I have that covered? And if that's true, okay, do I also have a fully funded emergency fund? Do I have three to six months of living expenses in liquid cash ready to be available to keep my life out of the ditch? Cash is also going to be the thing you're going to use for those big upcoming expenses.
3:17What if you're replacing a car? What if you have a heat and air system or some other thing that you need to plan for? Cash is going to be the thing that keeps you from making those desperate decisions.
3:28Brian Preston:And then the other thing we want you to do is answer the question, where is my cash? If it's just sitting in your checking account or sitting in some low-yield savings account, you are missing out on opportunity. Just because you have to have cash does not mean that it cannot still be working for you. So make sure you have that cash somewhere that is interest-bearing. Right now, it is not that difficult to get something paying 3.5%, 4 % interest on that cash. Don't let it sit there wasting away. Cash is exciting, but it doesn't have the sizzle of get that free money. And that leads to, guys, get to step two.
4:04if you're not taking advantage of the free money that your employer has set aside for you you are
4:10Brian Preston:missing out and unfortunately there are a lot of people out there that fall into this category don't be part of the 25 the one in four people that are not getting their full match or maybe not getting any match according to vanguard so the first question you have to ask before the end of the year is am i contributing enough to get my full match did my employer say okay if you put in 6%, we'll put in 3%. If you put in 4%, we'll put in 4%. If you put in 10%, we'll put in. You get the idea. Make sure you understand the formula and you're doing at least enough to get all of that free money. Yeah. And also people often say, Hey, that 25 % savings goal that you guys post, that's, that's a lot.
4:54How do you get there? I'll tell you one of the big ways. If your income is less than$200 ,000, you get to count that free money from your employer. So get in there and take advantage of that huge opportunity.
5:04Brian Preston:Another thing that we talk about that often gets overlooked here is people don't realize that if you have access to an employee stock purchase plan at your employer, that also counts as free money if your employer offers you an incentive like, okay, we're going to let you buy this stock, but we're going to let you buy it at a 15 % discount. Or we're going to have an offering period where we're going to look at the beginning price, we're going to look at the ending price, and we're going to pick the lowest price in this date range. All of those are different ways of getting free money. So if you have access to one of those plans, make sure you're not missing out.
5:38Now, look, I know a lot of you, you're like, wait a minute. I've heard you guys talk about this. I'm going to have my human capital, but I'm also going to have my investment capital all tied up into this one employer. Yes, we know this is a risk, but this is how powerful the free money is. There's nothing that says that, yes, take advantage of this free money. but then once this money builds up, you can create a strategic plan that will keep it to only 5 % to 10 % of your total net worth.
6:02Brian Preston:And so when you're thinking about contributing to a 401k, when you're thinking about getting that free money, obviously one question you have to answer is, okay, how much am I going to put in? And the answer is at least enough to get that free money. But the second question that you do need to answer is, how am I going to make my contributions? Am I going to be doing pre-tax 401k contributions or am I going to be doing Roth contributions? Well, that's where it depends on how much income taxes you pay. And we talk often about marginal tax rates. That means what you're paying on your next dollar earned.
6:33By the way, this is a combined rate because you have to take into account the federal marginal rate, but then also your state might charge income taxes with its own marginal rate. Add those two marginal rates on what you pay at the next dollar to figure out what your combined rate is, and then we have a formula for you.
6:49Brian Preston:Yeah, if you add up those two rates and you are under 25%, then there's a really good chance you ought to consider contributing to Roth because you're in a low tax bracket. Tax-free growth is going to be super valuable for you. But if you add up those two marginal rates and it's above 30%, you may want to consider pre-tax contributions because the current year tax benefit is so valuable. You can almost think about it as a 30 % imputed rate of return this year. Now, if you happen to fall in the gray zone, somewhere between 25 to 30%, you need to think about other extenuating factors like your tax rate now versus what you think in the future, your current account structure, how your buckets are filled up to make the determination which type of contribution is best for you.
7:34And a lot of you are probably going, wait a minute, I just, okay, that makes sense. Finally, today was the day that I understand now what a marginal tax rate is. Now I just need to know what the numbers are. That's okay. We got you covered. I want you to go to moneyguy.com slash resources and we have our 2025 tax guide. You can go quickly see, here's what my income is at and this is where my marginal tax rate is. Now you'll have to go figure out your state marginal rate, but we'll at least get you the federal information so you'll have that much of a headstart.
8:02Brian Preston:All right, Brian. So we're using the financial order of operations to uncover some planning that we ought to be thinking through before the end of the year. And one of the things that we get so excited about this time of year is that it comes up to one of our favorite days. And one of our favorite days every single year is net worth day. And one of the beautiful things that your net worth statement does, if you're tracking it every single year, is it allows you to see, okay, what falls on my balance sheet? What are all the things that I own? And I lay that beside, what are all the things that I owe?
8:36Brian Preston:And if you have some things on your net worth statement, like credit card debt, high interest auto debt, consumer loans, we want you before the end of the year to begin thinking, how am I going to begin getting my liabilities under control? Yeah, I hope people will take advantage. We have a free version. If you just go to moneyguy.com slash resources, we have a free net worth template for you. But if you're somebody who really wants to accelerate your journey and kind of have that dashboard view to see what the changes are, because a lot of times when you're in the beginning stages, you don't even know what you should be looking at.
9:06We try to give you a shortcut on that by creating our own dashboard for you with our net worth tool. Bo, this is the same tool Bo and I are using for our own personal net worth statements. You can go to learn.moneyguy.com if you want to go ahead and get that accelerated head start.
9:20Brian Preston:Now, Brian, you talk all the time about like if you're an investor, a really good rate of return is somewhere. I mean, if you can get like 8 % to 10 % annualized on your return, that's amazing. And yet we know that there are debt providers out there, credit card companies out there that are charging 15, 20, 25 % interest rates. If you have those kinds of debt on your balance sheet, it is going to be so hard for you to begin building wealth. So between now and the end of the year, we want you to see, okay, how much bad debt can you begin to extinguish? How much of that can you wipe off so that you get to start next year nice and clean?
9:59So we'll start with the easy one. That's why we gave it to me as I take the easy stuff is that credit card use is a-okay, but credit card debt, no way. Because when Bo was talking about those banks and lenders that are probably charging you 20, 25 % or greater, he's talking about your credit cards. That is no-go land, guys. That is high interest debt. I'm going to say something that's my hot take. I even think 0 % credit cards in that whole transfer game is a fool's errand that's not worth the hassle factor because just the consequences of screwing that up can really side rail you very quickly.
10:36So we consider all credit card debt to be high interest.
10:39Brian Preston:I love that. All credit card debt is high interest, but that must mean there are other kinds of debts that might not always be high interest. And there are in fact, and it's types of debt that a lot of people have, whether it be auto loans or whether it be student loans. So if we just think about auto loans, we think that if you are in your 20s and you have an auto loan greater than 10%, assuming that you still fall into the 23-8 category, and your auto loan is above 10%, we would consider that to be high interest. Anything below that, we would not get super aggressive paying off. In your 30s, we consider auto loan to be high interest if it's above 9%.
11:16Brian Preston:And in your 40s, we consider auto loans to be high interest if it's above 8%. Let me go ahead and put some troll repellent out there. Everybody needs to understand, cash is preferred for all car purchases. Sure. But we have a no hypocrite policy. When I was young, right out of college with that accounting degree, so excited to just get rip-roaring and start building wealth, I realized very quickly I needed to have reliable transportation to get to that J-O-B so I could actually start building wealth. And I needed to go finance that car. So we've tried to give you these rules so that just in case you're at that starting blocks and you also are going to need to go buy a reasonable car, that's where 20 % down, no longer than three years, and not greater than 8 % of your income, the 23-8 rule comes into play.
12:02But of course, we'd love for you to pay cash. This is not a get out of free to go buy that fancy luxury car and finance. This is only to get you to reliable transportation. Think Corolla, not Land Cruiser.
12:14Brian Preston:All right, so that covers auto loans. What about student loans? We have the same type of rule for student loans, but the numbers change a touch. If you're someone who's in your 20s and your student loans are above 6%, you may want to begin prioritizing paying those off. When you get to your 30s, if your student loans are above 5%, you may want to prioritize paying them off. And then if you're in your 40s and your student loan interest rate is above 4%, you may want to begin paying it off. That's where we would quantify those loans being high interest. And between now and the end of the year, we want you to start knocking that stuff off of your balance sheet.
12:50Yeah, there's a lot of things going into these numbers and these guidelines like risk-free rates of returns. We save you all that madness just to tell you, hey, these are some good benchmarks so you can quickly triage your financial life to make the right decision for how you're looking at your high interest debt.
13:03Brian Preston:So now as we're thinking through, we're working through the financial order of operations to uncover things to do before the end of the year. Number four, we want you to maximize that tax-free money. That's right. You heard it right. The money that you will not have to pay income tax on. Brian, you say these are the favorite dollars inside of your portfolio. Yeah, we get really serious about this because think about it, guys. Our government, they like taxing us, and it's very few things that they create legal loopholes. We're on purpose. They've designed it as part of the process is we're going going to give these benefits of tax-free growth, you have to ask yourself, why would they do that?
13:41The reason they do it is because it's good for the public. They want you to have healthcare covered. They want you to have retirement covered. So they have incentivized through the tax system to say, hey, we're going to give you tax-free growth, but we're going to limit who can contribute. We're going to limit how much you can contribute. So you can quickly realize, hey, if they're going to create these huge benefits, but put all these restrictions, I better get in there and maximize where this free tax-free money is actually at.
14:09Brian Preston:So let's talk about the first account where this is available. It's a health savings account. So one of the questions that we want you asking is, okay, was I eligible? Was I in a high deductible plan last year that makes me eligible to contribute to a health savings account? If the answer to that is yes, did I max it out for 2025? The max limits are$4 ,300 for single contributors and then$8 ,550 for family contributors. So that's the first question. Did I take care of 2025? But now, as we move into 2026, as we think about next year, open enrollment is likely coming up. So we want you answering the question, okay, which insurance plan makes the most sense for me?
14:49Brian Preston:Should I go with the high deductible plan that's available? Or might there be another plan, a subsidized plan, a Cadillac plan that makes more sense? And you may be asking the question, okay, well, how do I decide? And we think that there's a math calculation you can do. What you want to do is you want to line up two columns and you want to compare the premium costs, how much each plan costs. You want to then make an estimation of what your out-of-pocket costs would be with each plan. With a high deductible plan, it would be hitting that deductible. With the other plan, it would be your co-pays and co-insurance and those sort of things.
15:21Brian Preston:You then want to factor in any employer incentives. Is your employer willing to put money into the HSA for you? And then lastly, we want you to factor in tax savings. You add up those two columns and you figure out, okay, for this next year, my best guess is that this plan makes the most sense for my family. And you ought to reconsider and reanalyze that every single year at open enrollment. Look, guys, this is one of those, don't skip doing your homework. I know that there's this tendency once you graduate high school, college, whatever your higher education is, homework is like, wow, I'm done with that.
15:53No, there's still gonna be a lot of math you have to do in life. And this is one of them because as you're growing your family, that's gonna be a different year than the years that you're, you know, right fancy free out of college and you're not worried about you know growing a family or big life decisions you've got to make sure that you're taking account this is an annual enrollment that's why i like doing these shows is typically the most automatic you know the most employers have around november you to make these choices don't sleep on that these are big opportunities you can jump in you can jump out you need to make sure personal finance is very personal that you're not missing out on any opportunities to personalize that employer opportunity to maximize your financial life.
16:32Brian Preston:And remember, funding the HSA is just the first part of the equation. We want you to be not like the 85 % of folks who just use it as a slush fund. We want you to be like the 15 % of folks that actually put that money to work. So make sure you get that HSA funded and then you let those dollars grow. So that's the first account, health savings accounts. There's another type of tax-free account that we absolutely love, and that account is a Roth IRA. Yeah, remember how I was talking about how the government has restricted how much you can put in? These Roth IRAs are so valuable. This is going to be your gateway into tax-free millionaire.
17:05Can you imagine? I just, you want to get me excited. Thinking about having a double comma seven figure portfolio that the government's not going to tax and I'm even going to potentially be able to pass it on to my heirs. Guys, this is the good stuff here. So good that the government restricts its$7 ,000 annual contribution. Yes, if you get to be 50 and over, you can do an extra$1 ,000, but they're pretty much capping you around to$7 ,000. There's phase outs. Once you're income, you make too much money, $236 ,000 for married filing jointly,$150 ,000 for single individuals. Pay attention to these things.
17:39There's also this little known thing called, or well-known thing, Roth conversion strategies or backdoor Roths. We'll talk about that, but it's one of those things. Don't sleep on Roth IRAs. They're huge opportunities.
17:51Brian Preston:Now, maybe you're someone who you said, guys, I know I love Roth IRAs. I've been doing a Roth IRA, but man, I didn't know this this year was going to be quite as good as it was. Or maybe my spouse went back to work this year. Maybe I got a bonus that I was expecting. And all of the sudden I recognize that I'm going to make too much money this year. I was ineligible. That's okay. These things happen, but what you want to do is before you file your taxes, before you get into the next year, if you can fix it now, you're going to make your life a whole lot easier. You need to look at, you need to go contact your custodian and say, Hey, I was making these contributions.
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18:22Brian Preston:I put money in my Roth. I was ineligible. I need to go undo that contribution. I want to distribute that contribution. It won't be taxable to you unless there are earnings attributable that have to come out as well, but you can then pull that money out, undo it, and look at one of these other strategies like potentially a backdoor Roth IRA contribution. Yeah, and we've done tons of content on that. We're trying to give you the ins and outs for year-end planning, but definitely if you make too much money for the Roth, make sure your account structure is right. This is a measure twice, cut once, but definitely look into backdoor Roth contributions too.
18:53Brian Preston:Okay. So once we've maximized the tax-free accounts, we've put the money in the HSAs, we've put the money in the Roth IRAs. Now we get to go back to our employer-sponsored account. Now we get to go back and hit that maximum salary deferral limit, either in our 401k or our 403b or our 457 or our simple IRA, whatever room we still have to max out. We want you to say, okay, between now and the end of the year, is something in my life going to happen that's going to allow me to hit that salary deferral threshold. I think it's important. Let's go ahead and throw the numbers out there so people know what they're dealing with.
19:25If we're, you know, if you're in a 401k, 403b, all those, the alphabet soup that Bo threw out there with the numbers,$23 ,500. That is your 2025 number. If you're 50 and greater, it jumps up over to $31 ,000 because there is a catch-up and there's a unique thing that just kicked in. There's a, what's called a super catch-up for those that are 60 to 63, pay attention to these unique opportunities because the government, once again, is trying to incentivize your ability because it's good for society for you to have money in retirement. So they're trying to give you these little one-ups so you can go in there and maximize your financial opportunities.
20:03Brian Preston:And we want you to recognize that our tax code is, it's a little nuanced and there are things that can have big impacts, even if you're just over by$1. So one of the things we want you to think through is, okay, if I can, if it's in my power to be able to max out these salary deferrals before the end of the year, will this open up some other tax opportunity for me? Is this going to move me into a lower tax bracket? Is this going to potentially make me eligible or available for a tax credit that I was not going to have access to otherwise? If you do not know how to do that, if you don't know how to run a tax projection, if you don't understand how the tax form works, consult with a tax professional and say, hey, can you give me some insight?
20:44Brian Preston:If I were to max out my 401k or max out my 403b, are there things on my tax return that would change because of that? And you might be amazed to find out that there are things that could be impacted just by doing an extra three, five, $10 ,000 into these retirement accounts. Well, and think about this. If you're a person gets a big year-end bonus. Guys, I've seen, I've helped employees and even some of our employees where we've loaded up some of those year-end bonus money goes to max out these retirement accounts. If you're self-employed and you haven't researched solo 401ks and other unique planning opportunities, because if you want to know loopholes, legal loopholes that the government incentivizes you to do, employer plans are great.
21:29So take advantage of doing a little bit of research to save yourself tons of money on taxes.
21:33Brian Preston:Now, as a quick aside, because we get this question all the time, a lot of people say, guys, guys, I'm saving 25%, but I'm not maxing out my 401k based on my income, based on where we are. We're doing all the stuff. We're doing the Roths, me and my spouse, and we're doing the HSAs and hitting the family max. And we're putting money into our retirement accounts, but we're not maxing them out. Does that mean that we still need to max them out? Well, if you're already at 25%, not necessarily. If you're at 25%, we then want you to move to step seven, hyperaccumulation, and begin answering the question, how am I actually going to use these dollars?
22:08Brian Preston:When I'm saving, when I'm building, when do I think I'm going to need to be pulling out? And when you answer that question, you're going to know then, okay, do I need to max out or should I open up an after-tax account? Should I start saving into that tax bucket at this stage? Tomorrow morning is knocking. Stock your fridge now. How about a creamy mocha frappuccino drink? Or a sweet vanilla? Smooth caramel, maybe. Or a white chocolate mocha. Whichever you choose, delicious coffee awaits. Find Starbucks frappuccino drinks wherever you buy your groceries. There are two types of business owners. Those who are busy and those who want to be busy.
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23:19It is step seven that allows us to say, hey, how are we actually going to use this money? How is my personal finances structured? And you'll quickly realize, hey, if I'm part of the FIRE movement or FINE movement to the next endeavor, I might need access to this money. So I'll need a different account structure than just traditional 401ks. But it might also be, if you're somebody who you don't make a ton of money, but you're super disciplined, yes, you have moved into step seven without even maxing out the 401k limits, but that's a-okay because it's still now in step seven. You can think about how am I going to use this money in retirement to make sure that I'm structuring this appropriately with all my benefits.
23:58Brian Preston:So you're hearing over and over, the goal is to be saving 25%, getting to 25%, hitting that number. And so a lot of folks ask, okay, guys, what counts in this? Well, when we think about the 25 % savings, right, we're thinking about saving for future financial independence. So we're thinking about contributions that are going towards employer-sponsored plans. That's 401ks, 457s, 403bs. We're thinking about IRAs. We're thinking about HSAs if you're one of the 15 % that's actually investing them. Maybe you're an educator contributing to a pension that counts in the calculation. Maybe you're someone under$100 ,000 of single income or under$200 ,000 of household income.
24:35Brian Preston:Okay, then you can include your employer match. If you're putting money in an ESOP or an an employee stock purchase plan, that counts. Or if you're saving that third bucket, that after tax bracket, that counts as well, assuming that you're saving those dollars for future financial independence. Here's what it does not count. It does not count prepaying your mortgage. It does not count the principal payments on your mortgage. It does not count the investment in the real estate or rental property. Those are not part of your 25%. We want 25 % going towards your liquid portfolio for your financially independent future.
25:09Brian Preston:Yeah. And the last one on that list is that taxable brokerage account. And it's a banger because what I love about this is that for a lot of you, as you're starting to plan and figure out how you use this money, it has the maximum amount of flexibility. It still can be used for retirement, but here's what's so cool about the after-tax accounts is that it doesn't have limits on contributions. But as much in there as you want. You load it up. It's also still tax advantage. You think about capital gains rates, dividend tax rates. These things are still going to be taxed at a lower rate. It's not going to be ordinary marginal tax rates.
25:41It's going to have favored tax rates. That's a powerful thing. Potentially even 0 % capital gains if your income is low enough. And think about that for retirement transitions. There's no penalties for early access. This is why I mentioned it early for all my fire slash fine movement people. You get to have access to this money, whereas every other retirement account is going to start talking about$55,$59.5. all these other random dates. And then this is a unique opportunity. And I kind of, this is where I get so excited. I start throwing and spitballing it out there, but I've already said this is you start using this money in retirement.
26:11Think about how cool it would be to legally manipulate the tax code to keep your income below a certain threshold and have a 0 % long-term capital gains rate.
26:22Brian Preston:Yeah. In 2025, if your adjusted gross income is below $48 ,350 for single individuals, that's 0 % cap gains rate. And if you're married filing jointly and your income is below 96 ,700, you're in the 0 % capital gains rate. That means you can go buy that stock, buy that index, buy that investment, have it grow. And when you go to sell it, so long as you don't go over these income thresholds, you pay no income tax on it at all. It's an amazing planning opportunity. So we want you to make sure when you're saving 25%, If that taxable bucket makes sense for you, you're taking advantage of it. Because once you do that, once you're saving 25%, once you're building toward your future, then you get to start focusing on some other stuff.
27:06Brian Preston:Then you get to start focusing your attention on your abundance goals. Yeah, this is the one. Man, it's nice because a lot of people, I think, get this out of order. They're funding the kids before they even fund their own retirement. And I'm all about funding some kids' education because there's even some tax benefits for it in a lot of states. but it's also having my own oldest daughter as a senior in college. So we've used a 529 account to pay for those goals. It's powerful. So we actually think this is the perfect time for you to consider, hey, once you get to step eight of the financial order of operations, prepaid future expenses, let's go ahead and take care of those kiddos too.
27:43Brian Preston:And it might not just be college. I mean, that's a great example, but a lot of people don't recognize, yeah, you can save for college. You can use 529s and their state tax incentives to do that, but maybe you just want to get your kid excited about building their financially independent future. So you want to help them open a custodial Roth IRA and maybe do that parent match, or maybe you want to start saving for their first car or their first down payment for their first house, or you might want to start saving for a wedding with them. You can use UGMA or UGMA accounts. These are all amazing vehicles you can use to help your kids begin saving for the future, but you have to wait until you get to step eight of the financial order of operations before you begin doing.
28:23Well, also, look, we kind of buried the lead. We said prepaid future expenses because it does. It makes you think of college and so forth, but always I have a nickname for step eight and it's abundance goals because this is when you get to actually potentially consider doing things of increasing your lifestyle. This if you want to plan and save for an upcoming vacation, large purchase. I even had a, you know, if you are an aspiring real estate investor, this is something you can consider getting into real estate, whether it's residential or commercial. And even like last night, this is why I love how content writes itself.
28:55I had one of my college roommates write me and go, hey, you know, I love these European cars. I'm thinking about getting another Porsche. But I do not like the maintenance on these things. And I was like, good for you. I just had this same situation in my life as well. And the good news is when you're making bad decisions like a European car, these things are expensive to maintain. They're expensive to fuel. They're expensive to repair, to insure, and all the other things. Why not rent your bad decisions versus own your bad decisions? It is step eight that you would probably consider leasing or doing other things like that.
29:31And that's okay because you didn't do this at the sacrifice of your younger, better version who should have been saving and investing for the future. And that's why when I've been at car dealerships and you see the 30-something-year-old out there looking at these European cars, you go, oh, I don't know that they fully funded their Roth IRA or their 401k. But when you see the 50-something-year-old and you know you can just tell that they carry themselves in a way that they're step eight, I think this is the part where you can do vacations, you can do lifestyle, and it's A-OK.
30:04Brian Preston:So if you're going to make bad financial decisions, you want to do it in the most efficient way possible, but you can't do that until you get to step eight. Everything is a money decision. I mean, you're going to quickly realize, I know this, I was a tightwad at one point in my life, but you do at some point the way you travel, the way you save, the way you spend, You don't realize if you've done this right, you will change how that happens. And we've tried to write a no hypocrite policy so that this thing actually grows with you. That's the beauty of Financial Order of Operations. It actually keeps you from being a tightwad when you shouldn't be, when it's actually to the detriment of your relationships and your goals.
30:41We're going to get you through that.
30:42Brian Preston:So what you're saying is at this stage, you get to define what abundance is for you. And abundance for one person might not be the same thing an abundance is for someone else. and that's okay. That's why the financial order of operations liberates you to use money as the tool that you ultimately want it to be. And maybe you're someone who says, okay, I've done the things and I've gone to the vacations and I have all the stuff, but now I just want to start shoring up my financial life. And going into this end of this year, maybe I want to make 2025 the year. Maybe this is the year where I want to go ahead and knock out that mortgage and I want to prepay that low interest debt and I want to pay off the house and get that off my balance sheet.
31:25Brian Preston:Maybe you're someone who's getting that year in bonus and you've saved the way that you're supposed to save and you funded the abundance goals, even all those things that you know what, I'm going to do it. I'm going to write the check. I'm going to knock this out. Let's put some guardrails on this before we celebrate because I know what's coming. I can see the tea leaves. I think that this is something that I would encourage my financial mutants. look, I'm going to let you, once you get beyond saving and investing 25%, if you want to go pay off the low interest mortgage, it's okay. It's not optimized, but it's a-okay because that's a choice that you can make at step eight.
31:57But really step nine, the heart of this thing is that you are thinking about this in terms of, you know, am I 45 and over? Because the wealth multiplier for a 32-year-old is completely different than it is for somebody who's 50 years of age. And I can give you an example. For a 30-year-old, the wealth multiplier is 23 times over. For a 50-year-old, it's three. Very different. Do you see the compare and contrast on what your opportunity that your money has to kind of multiply upon itself? And that's why, and look, here's the other thing that you'll realize about this. I got to the situation to where, yes, I had a low mortgage rate.
32:36I had two and a half percent mortgage rate, but because the balance was well below$100 ,000, the actual opportunity cost of what I was forfeiting was getting to be less than $1 ,000 a year. And I was like, wait a minute, I am sitting here struggling with this decision on something that's less than$1 ,000. I'm like, what am I doing? Let's write the check. And that's why, yes, it was in 2025 that I have now mortgage-free. You guys have celebrated with me. I thank you for that. But I want to say, I love that I respected the financial order of operations. I was older than 45, sadly. And I definitely have enough assets working for me that this was not a sacrifice for my future self.
33:17This was just something, hey, one more way I can de-risk my life and take advantage of this.
33:22Brian Preston:Now remember, we're talking about 10 things to do before the end of the year. And number nine, this is not one that you save for the end of the year, but this is one that's worth revisiting. We want you to remember generosity. Remember, this is a great time to begin thinking, are there causes that I have not funded? Are there causes that I want to support, that I want to donate my money to? And are there efficient ways that I could be doing that? Is this the year where perhaps I should open up a charitable giving fund and I should consider donating some of those highly appreciated securities? Or maybe I've done the tax projection and it looks like I'm just going to give just enough to be right at the standard deduction threshold.
33:59Brian Preston:Maybe I don't want to do my giving that way on an annual basis. Maybe I want to bunch my charitable giving so that I can take advantage of this. This is a great time to revisit that and make sure that the dollars that you have align with the goals that you have and you're doing the most efficient way possible. Well, I thought I felt a little convicted this morning. I was, as I was getting ready for the show today, it hit me. I think I wear like six shirts for, on our show. I need to add more. But then when I look at my closet and I see I have six shirts that I've like deemed camera ready. And then I have probably 35 shirts that are just not camera ready quilt of life that I've acquired over the last 30 years.
34:39I need to clean my closet up and my wife would agree with that. So this is the perfect time as we're approaching the fourth quarter, get in there and start figuring out, is there something you can donate? Not only will you help someone out, but you'll also give yourself a financial benefit to lower your income taxes with these contributions.
34:57Brian Preston:I love it. And so the number 10, as we're thinking through things to think through before the end of the year, it's worth doing an assessment. And okay, have I reached a stage of life where I figured out that the gravity of the financial decisions I'm making is so great that I'm uncomfortable making them by myself. I used to be able to make decisions on$100 ,000, but now making the decision on a million dollars seems like there are bigger implications with that. Or maybe life has just gotten complicated. I heard about all these tax strategies at the end of the year, and I just, I don't know what I don't know.
35:31Brian Preston:I don't have an education that I want to make sure I'm not missing anything. Or perhaps you're just someone who's gotten busy. And all of a sudden, the things that should not be falling on the back burner of your financial life are falling on the back burner. You're being pulled in a thousand different directions. You just want to make sure you keep your eyes on the things that you want to keep your eyes on. If that sounds like you, then perhaps one of the things that you ought to do before you get to the end of the year is consider taking the relationship to the next level. Consider fulfilling the abundance cycle and asking a professional to come alongside you on your financial journey.
36:05Yeah, I think a lot of you guys, you watch our content for years ago. Man, I like how these guys think about money. I've never heard financial people talk about it in these common sense, but also maximization-type strategies. it doesn't have to end with just the content because as Bo just shared, personal finance is very personal. And if you do this right, what is simple in the beginning will become harder and harder and more complicated because it's just success creates that complication. We'd love to be your co-pilot as you are the CEO, the CFO of a multiple seven-figure enterprise. You don't have to go alone.
36:41You don't have to figure things out for the first time. There's actually a better way to do money. I'm your host, Brian. Mr. Bo. Money Guy team out.
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