Financial Advisors React to CRAZY Money Advice

0:00Bo Hanson:We're back at it again with some wild and crazy money videos.

0:04Brian Preston:I can't wait, Brian. I'm so excited to see what the internet was going to tell us about how to build wealth. Anyone who has a 401k, you typically can take out$10 ,000 without penalty as long as you're using it for a home purchase. Now, you can take out more than that also if you want to for the purchase of a home. You would incur a penalty of 10 % plus potentially some income tax. A lot of people will say, gosh, don't go into your retirement. You're robbing your retirement. You're doing this. But I'm going to argue differently. Buying a home is part of your retirement plan. OK, it's part of your building wealth.

0:48Brian Preston:OK, and here's the other great part about doing that. Let's say, for example, you take some of your money out of the 401k, just enough for the down payment. You may have to pay a little bit of income tax, but you're buying another asset. We talked about leverage earlier where it goes up in value. If you buy a property and you're single and the property goes up$250 ,000. A lot of assumptions there. You pay zero tax. How did they let this guy come talk to their workforce to give them such awful financial advice as to raid your 401k, pay taxes, pay penalties on your earnings to go buy a home? That's not good.

1:25Bo Hanson:I hate to know that you went and you gutted 30 to 40 % of your 401k in taxes and penalties just so you could get into a house. You still are going to get to the point where when you retire, yes, you have a house with debt on it, by the way. You can't eat it. But you can't figure out where you go pay the bills. How are you going to feed the kids? Hopefully the kids are out of the house, but maybe with decision making like this, maybe you're all just hanging out together, eating Cheetos and making bad decisions. but that is not a recipe for success.

1:56Brian Preston:Your average homeowner pays two times for their house, once for the house and once for the interest on the house, but wealthy people skip that second payment. Okay, so the first thing you need to know is a 30-year fixed rate mortgage is not a loan. It's a profit machine. Say you borrow 500 ,000, well, you'll spend more than a million over those 30 years. Half of that is pure interest to the bank. You just need to break the payment cycle that the bank designed to keep you in debt. Let me show you what I mean. Okay, so take the amount of your principal and interest, but not the taxes and insurance.

2:21Brian Preston:Let's say it's$3 ,600. Now divide that number by six. And that math is$600. And now you take that$600 and you make a mid-monthly payment of principal only. It's a small, consistent effort that is laser-focused on reducing your debt. Well, she is right. Basically, she's just saying, hey, if you prepay your mortgage, you're going to pay less than interest. That is absolutely a fact. That's true. It's not uncommon for folks to do this. Either make extra principal payments or instead of paying monthly, pay biweekly. Those are prudent strategies for paying down your mortgage, paying off your loan more quickly.

2:51Brian Preston:The question you have to ask for yourself is based on what my mortgage interest rate is, is that the best use of my money? If I have extra$600 a month I could put towards principal, if I'm a young person, might those dollars be better used somewhere else in my financial life?

3:06Bo Hanson:Yeah, primary mortgages don't have prepayment penalties on them. So I don't have any problem. And it's actually a lot of research shows like people who have seven figure of assets, even if they took a 15 year or 30 year mortgage, more than likely they're going to pay the house off within 10 years. But the problem I have with this is it's all about why we wrote the financial order of operation is that you have to get your money in the right order. Should you prepay your mortgage when you're, you know, say you're in your early 30s and you have a four and a half percent mortgage and you haven't funded your Roth IRA?

3:41Bo Hanson:I think that's questionable. Should you prepay your mortgage when you're sitting on student loan debt that's at seven and a quarter? Meanwhile, your mortgage debt's at four and a half percent. Just like people never remember, please excuse my dear aunt Sally when they're doing math. There's an order of operations with your money as well. And I want to make sure you do it in that right order. And that's why make sure you follow our financial order of operations to kind of make sure you know what to do with your next dollar.

4:05Brian Preston:Most Americans have been told that the 401k is the number one way to save for retirement, but it's a total lie. The 401k has proven time and time again to produce horrible results. We have the track record, guys. We have the data. What more proof do you need? Receipts, proof, timeline. Now people are contributing less and less. So there's very few scenarios in which a 401k can actually produce the results that you want. We have the data, guys. We're just not going to share it. We're not going to show you the data. We have the data. We have an entire wealth management firm of people that have built wealth by using their employer, sponsor, retirement account, by using their 401k, by using their 403b, by using their 457 to truly build wealth and build towards financial independence.

4:46Bo Hanson:Well, I thought he did a sleight of hand thing there. He said, we're going to show you the data. And then he talked about the behavior of people are contributing less and less. Yeah, we have a problem in America where people are contributing less and less to their future, but it's not necessarily the tool isn't functional and even can work for you, especially if you have an employer that gives you 50 cents on the dollar or dollar for dollar match. That's like a 50 % to 100 % guaranteed rate of return. That is very productive. Just make sure you get in there and take advantage of that. Unfortunately, all the research shows 30 % to 40 % of people, depending on which study, whether it's Vanguard or some of these others, don't even get the full match.

5:24Bo Hanson:So it's a behavioral problem. It's not necessarily something that he, as he showed, can even give us the details in the data. Little guy turned three months today and already has a net worth of$2 ,607. dollars. Pretty impressive. Very first thing that we did was we opened up a 529 plan when we found out my wife was pregnant. And then we started taking a hundred dollars per month and putting it into that plan. It means that 12 months later, we put in$1 ,200. But the day that he was born, we also put in$500. And that plan has gained$170 just in interest for a grand total of$1 ,870. Now, when he turns 18, he's on track to have a grand total of$71 ,000, which he can use to pay for college tax-free.

6:12Bo Hanson:But similar to how we put$500 in the day he was born on every birthday, we're going to contribute$1 ,000. It means that he'll actually have probably closer to$116 ,000. The second thing that we did was we opened up a taxable brokerage account. Now we had to wait until he was born because you need a social security number to open this account. But again, on the day that he was born, we put$500 into this account. And since then, we've continued to take$75 per month and contribute to that account. We've also gotten a whopping$12 just in interest. There's currently$737 in this account. Doing all this means that at the age of 18, he's on track to have about$50 ,000.

6:54Bo Hanson:But our plan is at age 18 to stop contributing to that 529 plan and use that extra money to bump up how much we put towards that brokerage account. And if we do this, by the time he turns 25, assuming that he doesn't touch that money, he would have$118 ,000 that he can use to buy his first home. The only thing we're going to say, this is all still step eight of the financial order of operations. Make sure you're putting your oxygen mask on before you help out the kids. I got to believe, though, based upon the way that he's talking about the money and doing things, I bet the Roth IRA is fully funded.

7:29Bo Hanson:in this household.

7:29Brian Preston:What that means for them is they're likely saving 25 % of their gross income before they're starting to save for their son. But so long as you're doing that and you're following that correct order, this is chef's kiss. I think this is fantastic.

7:41Bo Hanson:Oh, I mean, let's talk about it. We got good penmanship. Good handwriting. Left-handed. He's left-handed too.

7:46Brian Preston:That's your favorite part.

7:48Bo Hanson:Bravo. You know, my only complaint was when I'm picking on you for the color of the sheet that you're using and the fact that your go wishes was all in one sheet, we're nitpicking at this point.

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8:46Brian Preston:So go build your dream team today with Indeed. Get a$75 sponsored job credit at Indeed.com slash podcast. Terms and conditions apply. You're extremely good at investing. Sweet stash. How should I be thinking about investing? Should I be investing? There's something known as the rule of 72. It tells us how long it takes money to double. And it's a kind of a mathematical hack. So for example, if I'm going to get a 7 % return and I do 72 divided by 7, that's approximately 10. And at the 7 % return, it's going to take 10 years for the money to double. 7 % compounded will take 10 years. If I have a 10 % return, it will take seven years.

9:28Brian Preston:72 divided by 10 is seven. It's very important to know how long money takes to double because then we can start doing a lot of math in our heads. This is great, and this is true, and this is accurate math, but what most people leave off when they talk about the rule of 72 is it assumes how long money takes to double in isolation. But when it comes to building wealth and actually making your money double, do you realize even if you're earning a 7 % rate of return or 10 % rate of return, If you can continue to add to the pot and you can put money in all along, your money will actually double much, much, much more quickly than what the rule of 72 describes.

10:02Bo Hanson:Slay. Slay? No, you're spot on. Slay? I've just, look, I've heard my own college daughter say that. And then I had, you know how you go to a restaurant and you say, hey, can you take our picture? And the person who took our picture this weekend, she said slay too. I was like, this must be what the cool kids are saying. So I felt like it fit here. Did I not use it properly?

10:22Brian Preston:No, no, you nailed it. Slay.

10:24Bo Hanson:Slay. How do you buy a Rolls Royce for free?

10:27Brian Preston:The big mistake is when people decide, I want to take$500 ,000 and pay cash for it. People come to me and this happens often and tell me, I bought a car with cash. It literally makes me want to cry. Dollars make dollars to spend. If you have$5 million, you put the$5 million either in a stock portfolio, which creates between 8 % and 10 % annually historically, or you can put it in a high interest account, which right now is paying about 5%. So$5 million at zero risk guaranteed 5 % interest is$250 ,000 a year in interest and you still have the principal. That means you're making over$20 ,000 a month in interest and you still have 100 % of the principal.

11:04Brian Preston:So now you take a line of credit out against your$5 million that's earning$250 ,000 a year. You write a check for the Rolls Royce at$500 ,000 and your money just paid for your Rolls Royce. But he didn't tell you how much you're paying on the car because it's going to be a high interest loan. $600 ,000 a month in the bank.

11:23Bo Hanson:Now you want to talk about being a G? That's how you're a G.

11:26Brian Preston:It just breaks my heart when people are so bad with math. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. When you go lever against your portfolio, and you can borrow against your portfolio, you can collateralize it. It's not a free lunch. You don't get to borrow against yourself for nothing. There's going to be some interest associated with you borrowing. And what's likely going to happen is you have to pay interest on that loan. And there's a really good chance if you're earning 5 % risk-free based on the interest that you're receiving in your savings account, the interest that's going to be charged on that collateralized loan to go acquire that car is going to be greater than 5%.

12:01Brian Preston:You're going to be losing money on that interest rate arbitrage and the price of the car, the value of that asset just goes down and down and down and down. I don't like this as an idea.

12:13Bo Hanson:The loan is going to be somewhere between probably 8 % to 11%. He's already disclosed he was making 5 % on the$5 million. The only reason that you could do this trade is because you had exactly what this comment said. $5 million. There's a big X that's missing here in the equation. This is like a magic trick. He just did a bunch of misdirection. But if you're actually good with money and you know how math works, you realize he said a whole lot of nothing there. except for it shows that he's basically, he said it in the first sentence, is that you have money so you can spend. And that's the problem I think with most people is that they look at the money they're building from consumption standpoint instead of thinking about, and this is something why I think I'm a financial mutant.

12:58Bo Hanson:Early on, I caught on is that it's owning stuff that can create income and replace me having to work with my time. That's the real value. It's not actually creating money so I can go spend. go own a bunch of stuff that creates and works harder than you can within your brain, your back, your hands, that's when you can actually live like no one else.

13:19Brian Preston:I started learning about personal finance and the recurring theme was you should have emergency fund for these things that happen. And when I started to build up that emergency fund, the first thing that I used it for, and it was such a relief, was when I went down to my basement and there was water all over the floor and my water heater was leaking. And the beauty of that was it wasn't catastrophic because I had money already set aside. And that was, again, probably mid, late thirties when I was like, oh, that's what this is for. Yeah. It's called peace of mind. That's literally a tale of two people.

13:53Brian Preston:If you're someone who doesn't have an emergency fund and that unknown unknown happens, that water heater happens, exactly what he said. You go into credit card debt, you have to get on a payment plan. It literally can derail your entire financial life, or you have that fully funded emergency fund. And when the emergency happens, you just write a check and you deal with it and it does not take you off course. That's the very reason why we want people to have an emergency fund.

14:16Bo Hanson:I love that it keeps you from having to make those desperate decisions with desperate answers. Because you know what people do, they end up going and getting in credit card debt. They end up doing payday loans. They do stuff that goes to nowhere. The fact that he had emergency reserves, yeah, it stunk that he went downstairs and he saw a puddle of water. But at the end of the day, he had it covered and he didn't lose any sleep over it.

14:37Brian Preston:Stop contributing to a Roth until you've maxed your 401k. Loud noises! First, the Roth option, where you pay taxes first, then invest the remainder. Individual living in New York making$100 ,000. Their effective tax rate is 28%. $10 ,000 gets taxed down to$7 ,200. You invest that for 30 years at an assumed 8 % return. The result,$72 ,000, which can be removed tax-free. Now, the 401k, same$10 ,000, invested without taxes touching it on the way in, compounding for 30 years at that same 8 % return. Result,$100 ,600. Now, when you remove money from that 401k, you have to pay income tax, but the average person's income drops by 25 % in retirement, and that creates a disproportionate drop in effective tax rate, dropping from 28 % all the way down to 16%.

15:33Brian Preston:After tax, that$100 ,600 becomes$84 ,500. Boom. Bang. $12 ,000 more by maxing your 401k. As you can see, the math is crystal clear. Well, your math was crystal murky. Boom. Roasted. When it comes to making this decision, you don't look at your effective tax rate. You look at your marginal tax rates. But he is correct. If you are in a higher marginal tax bracket while you're working, it is more advantageous to make pre-tax contributions to get that front-end tax deduction. Because likely, when you retire, when you pull the money out, you'll be in a lower tax situation. But if you're someone who's in a lower income tax situation, it's likely that your tax rate's going to go up.

16:16Brian Preston:You'd be better served to make Roth contributions. So yes, he's absolutely right. Right. Tax arbitrage does exist in terms of which makes more sense between doing pre-tax or Roth contributions. But in my mind, Brian, I don't think it's an either or.

16:28Bo Hanson:Well, what was doing the heavy lift, whenever I see math examples, I'm always like, okay, especially when somebody is trying to use it in a persuasive way. I'm like, what's the number here that's doing the heavy lifting? And it's the$100 ,000 of income. Because he's trying to create an either or answer on$100 ,000. And I think the answer is actually probably an and.

16:46Brian Preston:That's right.